RE: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND)
At 09:16 -0600 15/5/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote: Thanks for this, but it still won't work for me. I did exactly what Hedley outlined, but still no luck. I'm late on this thread but it seems to be mainly about Adobe Updater. Forgive me if I've misunderstood. I am sorry for Linda, but sort of relieved that someone else is reporting issues. On the Mac, I find AU very irritating. I have Illustrator CS2, DreamWeaver CS3 and Acrobat 6 Pro, as well as FrameMaker but we all know about FrameMaker on Mac, but all AU does is offer me Adobe Bridge 1.0 and Adobe Bridge 1.0.3 - over and over again, no matter how many times I let it install them. And I don't even *use* Adobe Bridge. Now there seems to be another, similar, application, calling itself Adobe Update Manager, which is offering to update Acrobat Reader. Which I also don't use, much. This does not seem to be an area that Adobe has got tied down properly across application versions. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND)
Further to my previous mail, I have just 'permitted' yet another installation of Adobe Bridge 1.0.3, then checked what version of Bridge actually is installed. It's 1.0.4.6. Automatic updaters are great when they work. Apple's is first-rate. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
On 15 May 2008, at 04:25, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: On Wed, 14 May 2008 22:05:47 -0400, Alan Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is worse? -- - You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are replying to the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged, or inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire list. The damage is done. - You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With two mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to the list. A default reply-to-all listserv configuration is evil. Quite right. But it's worse than that. A list with reply-to-all I disagree. Hedley is not asking for a reply-to-all. What he, I and, no doubt, others want is reply-to-list. In other words, when you click your Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. Paul ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Emphasis on characters within paragraphs
Hi, Sayed: On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 10:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Set all other attributes of the character style to As Is. This is easiest to do when the cursor is not in a text frame. Hmmm ... yes, but that is already the situation that I have - all *other* attributes are already As Is. So, I don't understand your response per se! Can you elaborate, please? To iterate (in case I was not clear - my apologies): what I want to do is have a *single* Character tag (called Emphasis), that *automatically* makes the selected text Italic in paragraphs that have a default font that is Regular, and makes the selected text Regular (non-Italic) in paragraphs that have a default font that is Italic. You'll need to use Find to locate and select instances of the character tag you want to remove, then manually apply Default Paragraph Font from the Character Format Catalog, then manually apply the character format you want. While a FM character format can apply specific font properties to selected text, it can't unapply character properties - whether applied by a named character format, or applied as an override. As Is means do not change; it would be great if FM offered a Restore Default Paragraph Font feature. You can file a feature request at: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform HTH Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Emphasis on characters within paragraphs
You can't do this with stock FrameMaker. You would need two character formats. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com To iterate (in case I was not clear - my apologies): what I want to do is have a *single* Character tag (called Emphasis), that *automatically* makes the selected text Italic in paragraphs that have a default font that is Regular, and makes the selected text Regular (non-Italic) in paragraphs that have a default font that is Italic. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Emphasis on characters within paragraphs
Hi, Peter. On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 10:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To iterate (in case I was not clear - my apologies): what I want to do is have a *single* Character tag (called Emphasis), that *automatically* makes the selected text Italic in paragraphs that have a default font that is Regular, and makes the selected text Regular (non-Italic) in paragraphs that have a default font that is Italic. You'll need to use Find to locate and select instances of the character tag you want to remove, then manually apply Default Paragraph Font from the Character Format Catalog, then manually apply the character format you want. Yes, that is exactly what I do - manually - right now! :) While a FM character format can apply specific font properties to selected text, it can't unapply character properties - whether applied by a named character format, or applied as an override. That is unfortunate. Oh, well ... You can file a feature request at: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform Ah, yes! I will do that sometime. Thanks for that link again. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Emphasis on characters within paragraphs
Hi, Rick. To iterate (in case I was not clear - my apologies): what I want to do is have a *single* Character tag (called Emphasis), that *automatically* makes the selected text Italic in paragraphs that have a default font that is Regular, and makes the selected text Regular (non-Italic) in paragraphs that have a default font that is Italic. You can't do this with stock FrameMaker. You would need two character formats. Oh, well ... I was hoping otherwise. Thanks for the response! Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update NowAvailable (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
Paul Findon wrote: On 15 May 2008, at 04:25, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: On Wed, 14 May 2008 22:05:47 -0400, Alan Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is worse? -- - You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are replying to the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged, or inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire list. The damage is done. - You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With two mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to the list. A default reply-to-all listserv configuration is evil. Quite right. But it's worse than that. A list with reply-to-all I disagree. Hedley is not asking for a reply-to-all. What he, I and, no doubt, others want is reply-to-list. In other words, when you click your Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. You're making a distinction without a difference. Alan and Jeremy weren't speaking _literally_ about reply-to-all, but _functionally_. Your reply-to-list goes to everyone on the list, so it functions exactly as Alan described. You haven't countered Alan's argument, just stated that you prefer something different. OK, noted. :-) Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
Paul Findon wrote (in part): Hedley is not asking for a reply-to-all. What he, I and, no doubt, others want is reply-to-list. In other words, when you click your Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. _ Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND)
If I were you, I'd put this on hold for a few days and wait until the update is posted to the FM support download site, and then try it manually. http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22platform=Windows It sounds as if something may have gotten munged during the download... possible that the installer itself is corrupted. So I'd also delete the file that automatic download brought in. You may want to see if Control Panel Add/Update Programs lists the update. I don't have an 8 install handy so I can't check it. Art On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Linda G. Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case anyone is interested, I've tried and retried everything everyone has suggested (thank you!), but I still cannot get the update to run. I even grabbed the file locally and tried to run it. I've tried after a reboot and after a complete shutdown and opening only Acrobat or Captivate to try the update after the system comes back up. Still no dice. Every single time, the error message comes up that FM is running, and a poorly worded message with confusing buttons it is. Every single time, no matter what I do, I can't get the update. And yet, when I first installed the suite, I was able to get all the available updates with no problem. Are we having fun yet? =:o ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:13 AM To: Linda G. Gallagher; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Framers Self-Support' Subject: RE: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND) Further to my previous mail, I have just 'permitted' yet another installation of Adobe Bridge 1.0.3, then checked what version of Bridge actually is installed. It's 1.0.4.6. Automatic updaters are great when they work. Apple's is first-rate. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND)
What I did what start Frame. Checked for update, and once the update window came up I closed Frame. Once I did this it loaded just fine. Z ** Ann Zdunczyk President a2z Publishing, Inc. Language Layout Translation Consulting Phone: (336)922-1271 Fax: (336)922-4980 Cell: (336)456-4493 http://www.a2z-pub.com ** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:14 AM To: Linda G. Gallagher Cc: Framers Self-Support Subject: Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND) If I were you, I'd put this on hold for a few days and wait until the update is posted to the FM support download site, and then try it manually. http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22platform=Windo ws It sounds as if something may have gotten munged during the download... possible that the installer itself is corrupted. So I'd also delete the file that automatic download brought in. You may want to see if Control Panel Add/Update Programs lists the update. I don't have an 8 install handy so I can't check it. Art On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Linda G. Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case anyone is interested, I've tried and retried everything everyone has suggested (thank you!), but I still cannot get the update to run. I even grabbed the file locally and tried to run it. I've tried after a reboot and after a complete shutdown and opening only Acrobat or Captivate to try the update after the system comes back up. Still no dice. Every single time, the error message comes up that FM is running, and a poorly worded message with confusing buttons it is. Every single time, no matter what I do, I can't get the update. And yet, when I first installed the suite, I was able to get all the available updates with no problem. Are we having fun yet? =:o ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:13 AM To: Linda G. Gallagher; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Framers Self-Support' Subject: RE: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND) Further to my previous mail, I have just 'permitted' yet another installation of Adobe Bridge 1.0.3, then checked what version of Bridge actually is installed. It's 1.0.4.6. Automatic updaters are great when they work. Apple's is first-rate. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gma il.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/azdunczyk%40triad.rr.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Frame and Distiller Crash
Frame Gang, I'm in the process of testing the evaluation copy of Technical Communication Suite and have run into a couple of crashes. I've got a book (created in Frame 7.2) that I've opened in Frame 8.0 (p273) and tried to convert to PDF. I can get the book to update just fine, but when I save as PDF, Frame crashes. I've also printed the book to postscript and then tried to distill the files to PDF, but then distiller crashes. I have all of the system requirements (i.e., disk space, RAM, etc.), so I don't think that's an issue, but I'm not positive. Also, I'm using the standard Adobe PDF printer that comes with the Tech Comm Suite install. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, --Ben **Confidentiality Notice** This electronic transmission and any attached documents or other writings are confidential and are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) identified above. This message may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure under applicable law. If the receiver of this information is not the intended recipient, or the employee, or agent responsible for delivering the information to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, reading, dissemination, distribution, copying or storage of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender by return email and delete the electronic transmission, including all attachments from your system. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame and Distiller Crash
I think this was pretty common in the 0 release, but was fixed pretty quickly. And it didn't affect everyone, so there may have been some file content or organization that contributed to it. Assuming this is the same bug (cause never really was IDed, I don't believe), it was fixed in the first patch releases for both Acrobat and Frame 8. The work around was to make sure that Generate Tagged PDF was turned On. However, assuming you can download them with an eval copy, the better solution would be to download (or let Adobe Update attempt to) and install the updates. Art On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Anderson, Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frame Gang, I'm in the process of testing the evaluation copy of Technical Communication Suite and have run into a couple of crashes. I've got a book (created in Frame 7.2) that I've opened in Frame 8.0 (p273) and tried to convert to PDF. I can get the book to update just fine, but when I save as PDF, Frame crashes. I've also printed the book to postscript and then tried to distill the files to PDF, but then distiller crashes. I have all of the system requirements (i.e., disk space, RAM, etc.), so I don't think that's an issue, but I'm not positive. Also, I'm using the standard Adobe PDF printer that comes with the Tech Comm Suite install. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, --Ben -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame and Distiller Crash
Most, if not all, of the problems are from the fntcache.dat file on the C drive. To fix this problem, do the following: Open Notepad. Enter this text in Notepad: del c:\windows\system32\fntcache.dat shutdown -s Save the file as a .bat file on your desktop. Mine is called delfontcache.bat When you run this .bat file, it deletes the fntcache and shuts your PC down. The result is that FrameMaker doesn't crash any more. So before you shut down your PC (every time), run this .bat file to clear out the fntcache and shut down for you - problem solved. On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Anderson, Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frame Gang, I'm in the process of testing the evaluation copy of Technical Communication Suite and have run into a couple of crashes. I've got a book (created in Frame 7.2) that I've opened in Frame 8.0 (p273) and tried to convert to PDF. I can get the book to update just fine, but when I save as PDF, Frame crashes. I've also printed the book to postscript and then tried to distill the files to PDF, but then distiller crashes. I have all of the system requirements (i.e., disk space, RAM, etc.), so I don't think that's an issue, but I'm not positive. Also, I'm using the standard Adobe PDF printer that comes with the Tech Comm Suite install. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, --Ben **Confidentiality Notice** This electronic transmission and any attached documents or other writings are confidential and are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) identified above. This message may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure under applicable law. If the receiver of this information is not the intended recipient, or the employee, or agent responsible for delivering the information to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, reading, dissemination, distribution, copying or storage of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender by return email and delete the electronic transmission, including all attachments from your system. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/eleysium%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Publisher to Frame Conversion
My client is intending to convert a number of publications from Publisher to Frame. She is thinking that the firm will have to cut in Publisher, paste into Frame, and reformat. Is there an easier way? Howar Rauch Technology Transfer, Inc. Linking Creators and Users of Technology 933 North 18th Street Manitowoc WI 54220 Office: 920-682-1528 Cell: 920-629-0080 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Publisher to Frame Conversion
Without knowing all the ins and outs of Publisher... for text: If Publisher can save files as RTF, that would be the easiest way to go. If it can't, I'd PDF the files and export from PDF to RTF. Then open the RTF file in Frame and copy-and-paste all into a clean empty FM template file (so that you don't put the residual para and character formats forward). I don't know anything about how Publisher handles graphics if the source graphic files are outside the publisher environment, you're all set -- just bring them into the FM file. Art On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Howard Rauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My client is intending to convert a number of publications from Publisher to Frame. She is thinking that the firm will have to cut in Publisher, paste into Frame, and reformat. Is there an easier way? Howar Rauch Technology Transfer, Inc. Linking Creators and Users of Technology 933 North 18th Street Manitowoc WI 54220 Office: 920-682-1528 Cell: 920-629-0080 ___ -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Publisher to Frame Conversion
I don't have hands-on experience with this, but I would look into: Publisher - RTF - Frame Publisher - Text - Frame Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com My client is intending to convert a number of publications from Publisher to Frame. She is thinking that the firm will have to cut in Publisher, paste into Frame, and reformat. Is there an easier way? Howar Rauch Technology Transfer, Inc. Linking Creators and Users of Technology 933 North 18th Street Manitowoc WI 54220 Office: 920-682-1528 Cell: 920-629-0080 ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
I believe this is the default Mailman set up, usually used to reduce the risk of the email loops that Jeremy already mentioned. Art On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Findon wrote (in part): Hedley is not asking for a reply-to-all. What he, I and, no doubt, others want is reply-to-list. In other words, when you click your Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. _ Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i'm Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount ___ -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Publisher to Frame Conversion
-Original Message- Without knowing all the ins and outs of Publisher... for text: If Publisher can save files as RTF, that would be the easiest way to go. If it can't, I'd PDF the files and export from PDF to RTF. Unfortunately, the RTF output from PDF in Adobe Acrobat, results in quite a mess inside FrameMaker, in my experience. Not surprising, I suppose! I have had way, WAY better luck by using PDF Convertor Pro (www.scansoft.com, as I recall) to bring the PDF file into Word, and then outputting the RTF from Word, and reading into FrameMaker. Still not perfect (lots of cleanup still required!), but superior to any other way ... Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
Hedley is not asking for a reply-to-all. What he, I and, no doubt, others want is reply-to-list. In other words, when you click your Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. I totally agree. Reply to List should be the default. It's a list, for goodness sake. It's supposed to go to everyone. = Mike Bradley www.techpubs.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update NowAvailable (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
Paul Findon wrote (in part): Hedley is not asking for a reply-to-all. What he, I and, no doubt, others want is reply-to-list. In other words, when you click your Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. Terrible approach!! The e-mail client world has been relying on Reply only going to the sender for a long, long time! Changing this behavior is likely to be far more prone to error, IMHO. And, FWIW, there is no Reply-to-list in my e-mail clients at all. How would Outlook or Thunderbird even know these e-mails were from a list? Isn't a list just like a giant e-mail alias (where people can add/remove themselves without needing an alias administrator)? I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. Hmmm ... not my experience. The lists that I am on send this stuff to me via e-mail. It is my e-mail client behavior that governs how the addressing is done ... nothing to do with the list. Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. Fred Ridder wrote: FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. Exactly the way I would too! E-mail is e-mail. My experience with e-mail client programs: you do a Reply, it goes to the Sender, and you do a Reply-All, it goes to everybody on that e-mail To: and Cc: fields. The fact that it is a list is quite artificial ... consider it a giant alias, and the behavior will make sense perhaps. I am going to stay out of further discussion on this for now - as long as nobody messes with my e-mail client, I don't see the problem at all. :) Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Publisher to Frame Conversion
Markzware offers a Publisher-to-InDesign converter. Not sure if it will help, but it's worth a look. On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Howard Rauch My client is intending to convert a number of publications from Publisher to Frame. She is thinking that the firm will have to cut in Publisher, paste into Frame, and reformat. Is there an easier way? HTH Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Multiple RGB color definitions
I have these in a template I am trying to purify, due no doubt to PNG graphics 'pollution'. In the past the following solutions have been offered: . Shlomo Perets: save as .mif, re-open and re-save as .fm . Richard Combs: Find the PNG graphic lurking in your file and convert it to something else. . Bernard Aschwanden: Create a new FrameMaker document, import everything except the color definitions, then copy/paste the contents. The first does not work for me with this file for some reason, and as for the second, there is no imported PNG file in the template, although the book from which the template is extracted does contain PNG graphics. The third method does work for me. Posted in case this is of use to anyone else. I am certainly not intending to denigrate the first two methods, which I am sure do work under the correct circumstances. Which I seem not to have. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Publisher-to-Frame Conversion
I think the salient question, Howard, may be this: From where are the Publisher documents getting their content? After all, Publisher is a page-layout program, and, unlike Frame, isn't really designed for both writing text and laying it out in the same application. I know of few Publisher users who actually write their content from within Publisher. Publisher works quite smoothly with Word, and chances are that the content of the Publisher files was written in Word or a similar application. If so, obtaining the Word files avoids some of the steps previously discussed. The art of preparing Word documents for Frame is, of course, a process in itself -- but a search of the archives will give you some good resources for how to approach it. Similarly, those graphic files others have mentioned as embedded in Publisher -- they had to come from somewhere. When I do a newsletter in Publisher, for instance, I import my graphics from a folder where I've already done my post-processing and stored the images. Ideally, then, you'll be able to locate the original document(s) and graphics files. If so, then your task of bringing them into Frame is much more straightforward. Otherwise, you may have to turn to the plug-ins or copy-paste routines aforementioned. Don't be misled: No matter how you slice it, this is a time-consuming process. It may be worth asking the client why this conversion is their intent. If it's part of a massive conversion to Frame and there are legacy documents that will be maintained in Frame going forward, it might make sense. But it's least worth admitting that, without good reason, the conversion may not be worth it. Then there's the question of playing to the strength of the tools. Frame is great for long documents; but there are situations where Publisher is a very viable solution. At the risk of rousing the sleeping MS bashers among us on this quiet Friday afternoon, I'll say that after more than a decade of doing newsletters, I'd much prefer to do a newsletter in Publisher than I would in Frame. (And, yes, I know there are newsletter templates for Frame, and it's possible to do decent-looking newsletters in Frame). If it were between Publisher and Indy or Quark, that would be a different matter. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Rauch Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:35 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Publisher to Frame Conversion My client is intending to convert a number of publications from Publisher to Frame. She is thinking that the firm will have to cut in Publisher, paste into Frame, and reformat. Is there an easier way? Howar Rauch Technology Transfer, Inc. Linking Creators and Users of Technology 933 North 18th Street Manitowoc WI 54220 Office: 920-682-1528 Cell: 920-629-0080 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
At least one major email list that I subscribe to uses LISTSERV email list management software. In this scheme, one posts messages to a LISTSERV-powered server which in turn redistributes the posting to all of the subscribers, either as individual email messages or in digest format, comprising from 2 to 10 messages, give or take a few. The paradigm is different with LISTSERV than it is with FrameUsers, at least the way it is applied to the other lists to which I subscribe. The sender is a server (a machine) and not one of the list members (an individual.) As Z correctly points out, your email client is responsible for applying the Reply and Reply to All functions, not the list server or the person that sent the email in the first place. One only need look at who the email message is from to understand what your Reply and Reply to All buttons will do. Is it from a List Server or an individual? With LISTSERV the way I've seen it used, a Reply sends a reply to the entire list. Mind you, I've seen numerous message intended for personal consumption posted this way. Both paradigms have common drawbacks if misused. If you wish a different paradigm, such as that offered by LISTSERV, you can learn more about it here: http://lists.psu.edu/ By the way, Penn State University (USA) apparently hosts numerous public-use lists like the one I subscribe to for folk music DJs and artists. I'm not certain, but someone may need to be a student or employee at PSU to initiate and use their services to support a LISTSERV email list. I should probably also point out that LISTSERV list management software is now a product of L-Soft. You can learn a lot more about LISTSERV email list management software here; http://www.lsoft.com/products/listserv-powered.asp I have no financial or personal ties to either PSU or L-Soft. These comments are mere observations. Dennis... ** At 09:44 AM 5/16/2008, Art Campbell wrote: I believe this is the default Mailman set up, usually used to reduce the risk of the email loops that Jeremy already mentioned. Art On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Findon wrote (in part): Hedley is not asking for a reply-to-all. What he, I and, no doubt, others want is reply-to-list. In other words, when you click your Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. _ Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i'm Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount ___ -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dennisb%40chronometrics.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Dennis Brunnenmeyer Director of Engineering CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS 15019 Rattlesnake Road Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710 Office: (530) 477-9015 Fax: (530) 477-9085 Mobile: (530) 320-9025 eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update NowAvailable (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
Syed, If you look at the headers on these messages, you'll see many lines that include clues such as: Precedence: list List-Id: An email list for FrameMaker discussions. framers.lists.frameusers.com The email client can look for the clues too, and based on the presence or absence of them, can provide another option. It's just up to the coder who does the client to implement... Art On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Findon wrote (in part): Hedley is not asking for a reply-to-all. What he, I and, no doubt, others want is reply-to-list. In other words, when you click your Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. Terrible approach!! The e-mail client world has been relying on Reply only going to the sender for a long, long time! Changing this behavior is likely to be far more prone to error, IMHO. And, FWIW, there is no Reply-to-list in my e-mail clients at all. How would Outlook or Thunderbird even know these e-mails were from a list? Isn't a list just like a giant e-mail alias (where people can add/remove themselves without needing an alias administrator)? I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. Hmmm ... not my experience. The lists that I am on send this stuff to me via e-mail. It is my e-mail client behavior that governs how the addressing is done ... nothing to do with the list. Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. Fred Ridder wrote: FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. Exactly the way I would too! E-mail is e-mail. My experience with e-mail client programs: you do a Reply, it goes to the Sender, and you do a Reply-All, it goes to everybody on that e-mail To: and Cc: fields. The fact that it is a list is quite artificial ... consider it a giant alias, and the behavior will make sense perhaps. I am going to stay out of further discussion on this for now - as long as nobody messes with my e-mail client, I don't see the problem at all. :) Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update NowAvailable (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
Hi Richard, You are quite right. I did not address Alan's argument, the reason being that his points did not resonate with me. - You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are replying to the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged, or inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire list. The damage is done. Maybe. But it's highly unlikely that I would be replying to a message from a mailing list dedicated to a software product for technical authoring and publishing with anything that's personal, privileged, or inappropriate for public consumption. - You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With two mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to the list. What normally happens to me with Framers is that I reply to a message with some info that I believe will of interest to other Framers and may trigger a response, or I add a new sub question. Then, after several days I remember the thread and wonder why no one has responded. I check the message I sent and discover that once again I've been fooled by Framers non-standard reply mechanism. Paul On 16 May 2008, at 15:11, Combs, Richard wrote: Paul Findon wrote: On 15 May 2008, at 04:25, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: On Wed, 14 May 2008 22:05:47 -0400, Alan Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is worse? -- - You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are replying to the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged, or inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire list. The damage is done. - You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With two mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to the list. A default reply-to-all listserv configuration is evil. Quite right. But it's worse than that. A list with reply-to-all I disagree. Hedley is not asking for a reply-to-all. What he, I and, no doubt, others want is reply-to-list. In other words, when you click your Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. You're making a distinction without a difference. Alan and Jeremy weren't speaking _literally_ about reply-to-all, but _functionally_. Your reply-to-list goes to everyone on the list, so it functions exactly as Alan described. You haven't countered Alan's argument, just stated that you prefer something different. OK, noted. :-) Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update NowAvailable (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
On 16 May 2008, at 18:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Findon wrote (in part): Hedley is not asking for a reply-to-all. What he, I and, no doubt, others want is reply-to-list. In other words, when you click your Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. Terrible approach!! The e-mail client world has been relying on Reply only going to the sender for a long, long time! Changing this behavior is likely to be far more prone to error, IMHO. And, FWIW, there is no Reply-to-list in my e-mail clients at all. How would Outlook or Thunderbird even know these e-mails were from a list? Isn't a list just like a giant e-mail alias (where people can add/remove themselves without needing an alias administrator)? I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. Hmmm ... not my experience. The lists that I am on send this stuff to me via e-mail. It is my e-mail client behavior that governs how the addressing is done ... nothing to do with the list. Mailman (the mailing list manager used for Framers), LISTSERV, Yahoo Groups, and other mailing list programs allow the list owner to specify whether or not message replies are sent to the list (normal, IMHO) or sender only. If it's list, the mailing list program automatically adds a Reply-To field to the headers of messages sent out to subscribers that contains the list address, and when they click Reply in their e-mail client, the Reply-To address is used. If there's no Reply-To field, as is the case with Framers, the e-mail client uses the address in the From field. If you take a look at the headers of messages from other groups that you subscribe to, it's likely that you'll see a Reply-To field. Look at the headers of Framers messages, on the hand, and you won't. I'm currently on eight lists. Seven of them add a Reply-To field so that replies go the list. Framers is the odd one out. FWIW, I've setup and run lists using LISTSERV and Yahoo Groups. Paul PS: It just happened again. I meant to send this to the list but it went to Z only. How did I discover this? A message I sent later appeared on the list before this one, so I checked the message I'd sent, noticed the addressing error and sent it again. Humbug! ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: default reply-to-all (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update NowAvailable (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
Paul Although I subscribe to both types of mail lists, I never noticed the difference regarding the presence or absence of the Reply To: field and the way that my email client responds to its absence or presence. Thanks for pointing this out. Dennis... * At 12:34 PM 5/16/2008, Paul Findon wrote: Mailman (the mailing list manager used for Framers), LISTSERV, Yahoo Groups, and other mailing list programs allow the list owner to specify whether or not message replies are sent to the list (normal, IMHO) or sender only. If it's list, the mailing list program automatically adds a Reply-To field to the headers of messages sent out to subscribers that contains the list address, and when they click Reply in their e-mail client, the Reply-To address is used. If there's no Reply-To field, as is the case with Framers, the e-mail client uses the address in the From field. If you take a look at the headers of messages from other groups that you subscribe to, it's likely that you'll see a Reply-To field. Look at the headers of Framers messages, on the hand, and you won't. I'm currently on eight lists. Seven of them add a Reply-To field so that replies go the list. Framers is the odd one out. Dennis Brunnenmeyer Director of Engineering CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS 15019 Rattlesnake Road Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710 Office: (530) 477-9015 Fax: (530) 477-9085 Mobile: (530) 320-9025 eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Framemaker uses
Actually, there are 2 major problems with Word's autonumbering feature. The first one is setting it up properly, for which we do have control. The second one is stability, for which we have absolutely no control. From my own experience, I have not yet found a way to get stable numbering in a Word doc. Period. On the other hand, this is one of Frame's great advantage. Stability. Richard Pesant -Original Message- From: Jon Harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:08:05 -0400 To: Deirdre Reagan, Robin B White Cc: Frame Users, Leah Smaller Subject: RE: Framemaker uses I have to agree with Deirdre. I struggled with the same autonumbering issues in Word that everyone else has before I realized how it actually works. Even after you know how to use it, you still have to pay attention to what you are doing so that you don't mess it up. But do I like it better than how FM does the same thing? Of course not. FM is much easier to use. Jon Harvey Manager, Desktop Documentation CambridgeSoft Corporation 100 CambridgePark Drive Cambridge, MA 02140 (617) 588-9354 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Framemaker uses
I'm surprised that no one has commented on how well the FM CDs function as mini-Frisbees. Get a good spin on one and you can sail it clear across a software engineering lab... And they make good coasters. Art On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Richard Pesant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, there are 2 major problems with Word's autonumbering feature. The first one is setting it up properly, for which we do have control. The second one is stability, for which we have absolutely no control. From my own experience, I have not yet found a way to get stable numbering in a Word doc. Period. On the other hand, this is one of Frame's great advantage. Stability. Richard Pesant -Original Message- From: Jon Harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:08:05 -0400 To: Deirdre Reagan, Robin B White Cc: Frame Users, Leah Smaller Subject: RE: Framemaker uses I have to agree with Deirdre. I struggled with the same autonumbering issues in Word that everyone else has before I realized how it actually works. Even after you know how to use it, you still have to pay attention to what you are doing so that you don't mess it up. But do I like it better than how FM does the same thing? Of course not. FM is much easier to use. Jon Harvey Manager, Desktop Documentation CambridgeSoft Corporation 100 CambridgePark Drive Cambridge, MA 02140 (617) 588-9354 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Framemaker uses
Hi Richard: I agree the FrameMaker's numbering system is far superior to Word's system. However, in Word, you can stabilize the numbering system. Go to ToolsProtect Document and click the box Limit formatting to a selection of styles. Click the Settings link and from there, you can choose which styles the document's users can employ and which they cannot. Deirdre On 5/16/08, Richard Pesant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, there are 2 major problems with Word's autonumbering feature. The first one is setting it up properly, for which we do have control. The second one is stability, for which we have absolutely no control. From my own experience, I have not yet found a way to get stable numbering in a Word doc. Period. On the other hand, this is one of Frame's great advantage. Stability. Richard Pesant -Original Message- From: Jon Harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:08:05 -0400 To: Deirdre Reagan, Robin B White Cc: Frame Users, Leah Smaller Subject: RE: Framemaker uses I have to agree with Deirdre. I struggled with the same autonumbering issues in Word that everyone else has before I realized how it actually works. Even after you know how to use it, you still have to pay attention to what you are doing so that you don't mess it up. But do I like it better than how FM does the same thing? Of course not. FM is much easier to use. Jon Harvey Manager, Desktop Documentation CambridgeSoft Corporation 100 CambridgePark Drive Cambridge, MA 02140 (617) 588-9354 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/deirdre.reagan%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Framemaker uses
Unless you meant stabilize, as in once the Style is created, Word doesn't mysteriously delete the indents. That has happened to me on more than one occasion! Deirdre On 5/16/08, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Richard: I agree the FrameMaker's numbering system is far superior to Word's system. However, in Word, you can stabilize the numbering system. Go to ToolsProtect Document and click the box Limit formatting to a selection of styles. Click the Settings link and from there, you can choose which styles the document's users can employ and which they cannot. Deirdre On 5/16/08, Richard Pesant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, there are 2 major problems with Word's autonumbering feature. The first one is setting it up properly, for which we do have control. The second one is stability, for which we have absolutely no control. From my own experience, I have not yet found a way to get stable numbering in a Word doc. Period. On the other hand, this is one of Frame's great advantage. Stability. Richard Pesant -Original Message- From: Jon Harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:08:05 -0400 To: Deirdre Reagan, Robin B White Cc: Frame Users, Leah Smaller Subject: RE: Framemaker uses I have to agree with Deirdre. I struggled with the same autonumbering issues in Word that everyone else has before I realized how it actually works. Even after you know how to use it, you still have to pay attention to what you are doing so that you don't mess it up. But do I like it better than how FM does the same thing? Of course not. FM is much easier to use. Jon Harvey Manager, Desktop Documentation CambridgeSoft Corporation 100 CambridgePark Drive Cambridge, MA 02140 (617) 588-9354 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/deirdre.reagan%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Framemaker uses
Art Campbell, who is clearly in Friday mode, wrote: I'm surprised that no one has commented on how well the FM CDs function as mini-Frisbees. Get a good spin on one and you can sail it clear across a software engineering lab... And they make good coasters. Well, CDs and DVDs do work pretty well as flying disks (but not as as a Frisbee®, thank you), but I have always thought that they make *lousy* coasters. It's inevitable that at least some of the condensation that any self-respecting coaster is supposed to contain just runs through the center hole onto the underlying table, ruining the fine patina forever. _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_family_safety_052008 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND)
Linda, Perhaps running the Windows Installer Cleanup Utility will help. There might be a mangled Installer process stuck somewhere. Here is the description: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301 The download link is inconspicuous about halfway down the page. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Framemaker uses
However, in Word, you can stabilize the numbering system. Go to ToolsProtect Document and click the box Limit formatting to a selection of styles. Click the Settings link and from there, you can choose which styles the document's users can employ and which they cannot. I just did a couple of quick tests in a Word doc with four Numbered format threads in the dreaded Eight Panes of Pain, otherwise known as the Bullets and Numbering window. I was able to start new numbered lists in any of the threads. That's the core of the problem with numbered lists--you can't be sure that all numbered lists are in the same thread. Locking the styles doesn't seem to fix it. Have I missed something? = Mike Bradley www.techpubs.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND)
At 09:16 -0600 15/5/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote: >Thanks for this, but it still won't work for me. I did exactly what Hedley >outlined, but still no luck. I'm late on this thread but it seems to be mainly about Adobe Updater. Forgive me if I've misunderstood. I am sorry for Linda, but sort of relieved that someone else is reporting issues. On the Mac, I find AU very irritating. I have Illustrator CS2, DreamWeaver CS3 and Acrobat 6 Pro, as well as FrameMaker but we all know about FrameMaker on Mac, but all AU does is offer me Adobe Bridge 1.0 and Adobe Bridge 1.0.3 - over and over again, no matter how many times I let it install them. And I don't even *use* Adobe Bridge. Now there seems to be another, similar, application, calling itself Adobe Update Manager, which is offering to update Acrobat Reader. Which I also don't use, much. This does not seem to be an area that Adobe has got tied down properly across application versions. -- Steve
FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND)
Further to my previous mail, I have just 'permitted' yet another installation of Adobe Bridge 1.0.3, then checked what version of Bridge actually is installed. It's 1.0.4.6. Automatic updaters are great when they work. Apple's is first-rate. -- Steve
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On 15 May 2008, at 04:25, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2008 22:05:47 -0400, Alan Houser > > wrote: > >> Which is worse? -- >> >> - You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are >> replying to >> the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged, or >> inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire >> list. The damage is done. >> >> - You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With two >> mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to >> the list. >> >> A default "reply-to-all" listserv configuration is evil. > > Quite right. But it's worse than that. A list with reply-to-all I disagree. Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. Paul
Emphasis on characters within paragraphs
Hi, Sayed: On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 10:23 PM, wrote: >> Set all other attributes of the character style to As Is. This is >> easiest to do when the cursor is not in a text frame. > > Hmmm ... yes, but that is already the situation that I have - all *other* > attributes are already "As Is". So, I don't understand your response per se! > Can you elaborate, please? > > To iterate (in case I was not clear - my apologies): what I want to do is > have a *single* Character tag (called "Emphasis"), that *automatically* makes > the selected text Italic in paragraphs that have a default font that is > Regular, and makes the selected text Regular (non-Italic) in paragraphs that > have a default font that is Italic. You'll need to use Find to locate and select instances of the character tag you want to remove, then manually apply Default Paragraph Font from the Character Format Catalog, then manually apply the character format you want. While a FM character format can apply specific font properties to selected text, it can't "unapply" character properties - whether applied by a named character format, or applied as an override. "As Is" means "do not change;" it would be great if FM offered a "Restore Default Paragraph Font" feature. You can file a feature request at: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform HTH Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
Emphasis on characters within paragraphs
You can't do this with stock FrameMaker. You would need two character formats. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com > To iterate (in case I was not clear - my apologies): what I want to do is > have a *single* Character tag (called "Emphasis"), that *automatically* > makes the selected text Italic in paragraphs that have a default font that > is Regular, and makes the selected text Regular (non-Italic) in paragraphs > that have a default font that is Italic. > > Z
Emphasis on characters within paragraphs
Hi, Peter. > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 10:23 PM, wrote: > > To iterate (in case I was not clear - my apologies): what I want to do is > > have a *single* Character > > tag (called "Emphasis"), that *automatically* makes the selected text > > Italic in paragraphs that have a > > default font that is Regular, and makes the selected text Regular > > (non-Italic) in paragraphs that have > > a default font that is Italic. > > You'll need to use Find to locate and select instances of the > character tag you want to remove, then manually apply Default > Paragraph Font from the Character Format Catalog, then manually apply > the character format you want. Yes, that is exactly what I do - manually - right now! :) > While a FM character format can apply specific font properties to > selected text, it can't "unapply" character properties - whether > applied by a named character format, or applied as an override. That is unfortunate. Oh, well ... > You can file a feature request at: > > http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform Ah, yes! I will do that sometime. Thanks for that link again. Z
Emphasis on characters within paragraphs
Hi, Rick. > > To iterate (in case I was not clear - my apologies): what I want to do is > > have a *single* Character tag (called "Emphasis"), that *automatically* > > makes the selected text Italic in paragraphs that have a default font that > > is Regular, and makes the selected text Regular (non-Italic) in paragraphs > > that have a default font that is Italic. > > You can't do this with stock FrameMaker. You would need two character formats. Oh, well ... I was hoping otherwise. Thanks for the response! Z
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Paul Findon wrote: > On 15 May 2008, at 04:25, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: > > > On Wed, 14 May 2008 22:05:47 -0400, Alan Houser > > > > wrote: > > > >> Which is worse? -- > >> > >> - You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are > >> replying to > >> the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged, or > >> inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire > >> list. The damage is done. > >> > >> - You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With two > >> mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to > >> the list. > >> > >> A default "reply-to-all" listserv configuration is evil. > > > > Quite right. But it's worse than that. A list with reply-to-all > > I disagree. > > Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, > others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your > Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. You're making a distinction without a difference. Alan and Jeremy weren't speaking _literally_ about "reply-to-all," but _functionally_. Your "reply-to-list" goes to everyone on the list, so it functions exactly as Alan described. You haven't countered Alan's argument, just stated that you prefer something different. OK, noted. :-) Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
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Paul Findon wrote (in part): > Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, > others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your > Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. > > I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and > Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. > Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the > addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped > many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will > naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. _ Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount
FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND)
In case anyone is interested, I've tried and retried everything everyone has suggested (thank you!), but I still cannot get the update to run. I even grabbed the file locally and tried to run it. I've tried after a reboot and after a complete shutdown and opening only Acrobat or Captivate to try the update after the system comes back up. Still no dice. Every single time, the error message comes up that FM is running, and a poorly worded message with confusing buttons it is. Every single time, no matter what I do, I can't get the update. And yet, when I first installed the suite, I was able to get all the available updates with no problem. Are we having fun yet? =:o ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:13 AM To: Linda G. Gallagher; hfinger at handholding.com.au; 'Framers Self-Support' Subject: RE: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND) Further to my previous mail, I have just 'permitted' yet another installation of Adobe Bridge 1.0.3, then checked what version of Bridge actually is installed. It's 1.0.4.6. Automatic updaters are great when they work. Apple's is first-rate. -- Steve
FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND)
If I were you, I'd put this on "hold" for a few days and wait until the update is posted to the FM support download site, and then try it manually. http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22=Windows It sounds as if something may have gotten munged during the download... possible that the installer itself is corrupted. So I'd also delete the file that automatic download brought in. You may want to see if Control Panel > Add/Update Programs lists the update. I don't have an 8 install handy so I can't check it. Art On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Linda G. Gallagher wrote: > In case anyone is interested, I've tried and retried everything everyone has > suggested (thank you!), but I still cannot get the update to run. I even > grabbed the file locally and tried to run it. I've tried after a reboot and > after a complete shutdown and opening only Acrobat or Captivate to try the > update after the system comes back up. Still no dice. > > Every single time, the error message comes up that FM is running, and a > poorly worded message with confusing buttons it is. Every single time, no > matter what I do, I can't get the update. > > And yet, when I first installed the suite, I was able to get all the > available updates with no problem. > > Are we having fun yet? =:o > > > ~ > Linda G. Gallagher > TechCom Plus, LLC > lindag at techcomplus dot com > www.techcomplus.com > 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 > User guides, online help, FrameMaker and > WebWorks ePublisher templates > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:13 AM > To: Linda G. Gallagher; hfinger at handholding.com.au; 'Framers Self-Support' > Subject: RE: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND) > > Further to my previous mail, I have just 'permitted' yet another > installation of Adobe Bridge 1.0.3, then checked what version of Bridge > actually is installed. > > It's 1.0.4.6. > > Automatic updaters are great when they work. Apple's is first-rate. > > -- > Steve > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND)
What I did what start Frame. Checked for update, and once the update window came up I closed Frame. Once I did this it loaded just fine. Z ** Ann Zdunczyk President a2z Publishing, Inc. Language Layout & Translation Consulting Phone: (336)922-1271 Fax: (336)922-4980 Cell: (336)456-4493 http://www.a2z-pub.com ** -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:14 AM To: Linda G. Gallagher Cc: Framers Self-Support Subject: Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND) If I were you, I'd put this on "hold" for a few days and wait until the update is posted to the FM support download site, and then try it manually. http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22=Windo ws It sounds as if something may have gotten munged during the download... possible that the installer itself is corrupted. So I'd also delete the file that automatic download brought in. You may want to see if Control Panel > Add/Update Programs lists the update. I don't have an 8 install handy so I can't check it. Art On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Linda G. Gallagher wrote: > In case anyone is interested, I've tried and retried everything > everyone has suggested (thank you!), but I still cannot get the update > to run. I even grabbed the file locally and tried to run it. I've > tried after a reboot and after a complete shutdown and opening only > Acrobat or Captivate to try the update after the system comes back up. Still no dice. > > Every single time, the error message comes up that FM is running, and > a poorly worded message with confusing buttons it is. Every single > time, no matter what I do, I can't get the update. > > And yet, when I first installed the suite, I was able to get all the > available updates with no problem. > > Are we having fun yet? =:o > > > ~ > Linda G. Gallagher > TechCom Plus, LLC > lindag at techcomplus dot com > www.techcomplus.com > 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 > User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:13 AM > To: Linda G. Gallagher; hfinger at handholding.com.au; 'Framers Self-Support' > Subject: RE: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE > WORKAROUND) > > Further to my previous mail, I have just 'permitted' yet another > installation of Adobe Bridge 1.0.3, then checked what version of > Bridge actually is installed. > > It's 1.0.4.6. > > Automatic updaters are great when they work. Apple's is first-rate. > > -- > Steve > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gma > il.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as azdunczyk at triad.rr.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/azdunczyk%40triad.rr.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Frame and Distiller Crash
Most, if not all, of the problems are from the fntcache.dat file on the C drive. To fix this problem, do the following: Open Notepad. Enter this text in Notepad: del c:\windows\system32\fntcache.dat shutdown -s Save the file as a .bat file on your desktop. Mine is called "delfontcache.bat" When you run this .bat file, it deletes the fntcache and shuts your PC down. The result is that FrameMaker doesn't crash any more. So before you shut down your PC (every time), run this .bat file to clear out the fntcache and shut down for you - problem solved. On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Anderson, Ben < Ben.Anderson at guarantybank.com> wrote: > Frame Gang, > > I'm in the process of testing the evaluation copy of Technical > Communication Suite and have run into a couple of crashes. > > I've got a book (created in Frame 7.2) that I've opened in Frame 8.0 > (p273) and tried to convert to PDF. I can get the book to update just > fine, but when I "save as PDF", Frame crashes. I've also printed the > book to postscript and then tried to distill the files to PDF, but then > distiller crashes. > > I have all of the system requirements (i.e., disk space, RAM, etc.), so > I don't think that's an issue, but I'm not positive. > > Also, I'm using the standard Adobe PDF printer that comes with the Tech > Comm Suite install. > > Any info would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > --Ben > > **Confidentiality Notice** > This electronic transmission and any attached documents or other writings > are confidential and are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) > identified above. This message may contain information that is privileged, > confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure under applicable law. > If the receiver of this information is not the intended recipient, or the > employee, or agent responsible for delivering the information to the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, reading, > dissemination, distribution, copying or storage of this information is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please > notify the sender by return email and delete the electronic transmission, > including all attachments from your system. > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as eleysium at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/eleysium%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
Interesting. I'm on 22 different email lists, and this is the only one with that particular behavior that I'm aware of. As I mostly lurk, the issue has never come up for me before. Gail Fred Ridder wrote: > Paul Findon wrote (in part): > > >> Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, >> others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your >> Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. >> >> I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and >> Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. >> Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the >> addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped >> many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will >> naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. >> > > FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them > basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. > Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the > poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little > crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. > _ > Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as gail.former at accenttech.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gail.former%40accenttech.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >
Publisher to Frame Conversion
My client is?intending to convert a number of publications from Publisher to Frame.?She is thinking that the firm will have to cut?in?Publisher, paste into Frame, and reformat. Is there an easier way? Howar Rauch ? Technology Transfer, Inc. "Linking Creators and Users of Technology" 933 North 18th Street Manitowoc WI 54220 Office: 920-682-1528 Cell: 920-629-0080
default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 UpdateNow Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
Hmmm...I'm on 217,406 lists and they're all different. > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gail Former > Sent: 2008-05-16 11:31 > To: Fred Ridder > Cc: Framers > Subject: Re: default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 UpdateNow Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND)) > > Interesting. I'm on 22 different email lists, and this is the only one > with that particular behavior that I'm aware of. As I mostly lurk, the > issue has never come up for me before. > > Gail > > Fred Ridder wrote: > > Paul Findon wrote (in part): > > > > > >> Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, > >> others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your > >> Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. > >> > >> I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and > >> Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. > >> Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the > >> addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped > >> many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will > >> naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. > >> > > > > FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them > > basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. > > Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the > > poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little > > crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. > > _ > > Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i'm Initiative from Microsoft. > > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount > > ___ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as gail.former at accenttech.com. > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gail.former%40accent tech.com > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as kmcdaniel at pavtech.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kmcdaniel%40pavtech. com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Publisher to Frame Conversion
Without knowing all the ins and outs of Publisher... for text: If Publisher can save files as RTF, that would be the easiest way to go. If it can't, I'd PDF the files and export from PDF to RTF. Then open the RTF file in Frame and copy-and-paste all into a clean empty FM template file (so that you don't put the residual para and character formats forward). I don't know anything about how Publisher handles graphics if the source graphic files are outside the publisher environment, you're all set -- just bring them into the FM file. Art On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Howard Rauch wrote: > My client is intending to convert a number of publications from Publisher to > Frame. She is thinking that the firm will have to cut in Publisher, paste > into Frame, and reformat. Is there an easier way? > Howar Rauch > > Technology Transfer, Inc. > "Linking Creators and Users of Technology" > 933 North 18th Street > Manitowoc WI 54220 > Office: 920-682-1528 > Cell: 920-629-0080 > ___ > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
I believe this is the default Mailman set up, usually used to reduce the risk of the email loops that Jeremy already mentioned. Art On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Fred Ridder wrote: > > Paul Findon wrote (in part): > >> Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, >> others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your >> Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. >> >> I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and >> Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. >> Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the >> addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped >> many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will >> naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. > > FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them > basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. > Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the > poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little > crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. > _ > Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i'm Initiative from Microsoft. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount > ___ > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Publisher to Frame Conversion
> -Original Message- > My client is intending to convert a number of publications from Publisher to Frame. She is thinking > that the firm will have to cut in Publisher, paste into Frame, and reformat. Is there an easier way? I have seen a few response suggest trying RTF output from Publisher. Unfortunately, this does *not* work. Publisher (even in Office 2007) simply does not create good RTF output (only text is output ... graphics, tables, etc., all disappear). FrameMaker has *no* chance of getting it right from that RTF - nor does Word 2007 for that matter! What has come even remotely close for me, but still needs a *lot* of cleanup, is: 1. Print the Publisher document as a PDF file (I use Adobe Acrobat Pro ...) 2. Use PDFConvertor Pro (version 4 works better than before) to bring that PDF file into Word - reasonable semblance of the original. 3. Save the Word file as an RTF. 4. Import the RTf into FrameMaker, keeping your fingers crossed. Warning: this above is not perfect ... lots of cleanup is still needed. If the Publisher document is remotely complicated (lots of graphics or pictures, clipart, etc.), the result is still quite poor. BTW, Word cannot read Publisher files directly. Pathetic ... Z
Publisher to Frame Conversion
> -Original Message- > Without knowing all the ins and outs of Publisher... for text: > If Publisher can save files as RTF, that would be the easiest way to go. > If it can't, I'd PDF the files and export from PDF to RTF. Unfortunately, the RTF output from PDF in Adobe Acrobat, results in quite a mess inside FrameMaker, in my experience. Not surprising, I suppose! I have had way, WAY better luck by using PDF Convertor Pro (www.scansoft.com, as I recall) to bring the PDF file into Word, and then outputting the RTF from Word, and reading into FrameMaker. Still not perfect (lots of cleanup still required!), but superior to any other way ... Z
Publisher to Frame Conversion
Markzware offers a Publisher-to-InDesign converter. Not sure if it will help, but it's worth a look. > On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Howard Rauch >> My client is intending to convert a number of publications from Publisher to >> Frame. She is thinking that the firm will have to cut in Publisher, paste >> into Frame, and reformat. Is there an easier way? HTH Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
Multiple RGB color definitions
I have these in a template I am trying to purify, due no doubt to PNG graphics 'pollution'. In the past the following solutions have been offered: . Shlomo Perets: save as .mif, re-open and re-save as .fm . Richard Combs: Find the PNG graphic lurking in your file and convert it to something else. . Bernard Aschwanden: Create a new FrameMaker document, import everything except the color definitions, then copy/paste the contents. The first does not work for me with this file for some reason, and as for the second, there is no imported PNG file in the template, although the book from which the template is extracted does contain PNG graphics. The third method does work for me. Posted in case this is of use to anyone else. I am certainly not intending to denigrate the first two methods, which I am sure do work under the correct circumstances. Which I seem not to have. -- Steve
Publisher-to-Frame Conversion
I think the salient question, Howard, may be this: From where are the Publisher documents getting their content? After all, Publisher is a page-layout program, and, unlike Frame, isn't really designed for both writing text and laying it out in the same application. I know of few Publisher users who actually write their content from within Publisher. Publisher works quite smoothly with Word, and chances are that the content of the Publisher files was written in Word or a similar application. If so, obtaining the Word files avoids some of the steps previously discussed. The art of preparing Word documents for Frame is, of course, a process in itself -- but a search of the archives will give you some good resources for how to approach it. Similarly, those graphic files others have mentioned as embedded in Publisher -- they had to come from somewhere. When I do a newsletter in Publisher, for instance, I import my graphics from a folder where I've already done my post-processing and stored the images. Ideally, then, you'll be able to locate the original document(s) and graphics files. If so, then your task of bringing them into Frame is much more straightforward. Otherwise, you may have to turn to the plug-ins or copy-paste routines aforementioned. Don't be misled: No matter how you slice it, this is a time-consuming process. It may be worth asking the client why this conversion is their intent. If it's part of a massive conversion to Frame and there are legacy documents that will be maintained in Frame going forward, it might make sense. But it's least worth admitting that, without good reason, the conversion may not be worth it. Then there's the question of playing to the strength of the tools. Frame is great for long documents; but there are situations where Publisher is a very viable solution. At the risk of rousing the sleeping MS bashers among us on this quiet Friday afternoon, I'll say that after more than a decade of doing newsletters, I'd much prefer to do a newsletter in Publisher than I would in Frame. (And, yes, I know there are newsletter templates for Frame, and it's possible to do decent-looking newsletters in Frame). If it were between Publisher and Indy or Quark, that would be a different matter. Jim -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Howard Rauch Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:35 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Publisher to Frame Conversion My client is?intending to convert a number of publications from Publisher to Frame.?She is thinking that the firm will have to cut?in?Publisher, paste into Frame, and reformat. Is there an easier way? Howar Rauch ? Technology Transfer, Inc. "Linking Creators and Users of Technology" 933 North 18th Street Manitowoc WI 54220 Office: 920-682-1528 Cell: 920-629-0080 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jim.pinkham at voith.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
At least one major email list that I subscribe to uses LISTSERV email list management software. In this scheme, one posts messages to a LISTSERV-powered server which in turn redistributes the posting to all of the subscribers, either as individual email messages or in digest format, comprising from 2 to 10 messages, give or take a few. The paradigm is different with LISTSERV than it is with FrameUsers, at least the way it is applied to the other lists to which I subscribe. The sender is a server (a machine) and not one of the list members (an individual.) As "Z" correctly points out, your email client is responsible for applying the Reply and Reply to All functions, not the list server or the person that sent the email in the first place. One only need look at who the email message is from to understand what your Reply and Reply to All buttons will do. Is it from a List Server or an individual? With LISTSERV the way I've seen it used, a Reply sends a reply to the entire list. Mind you, I've seen numerous message intended for personal consumption posted this way. Both paradigms have common drawbacks if misused. If you wish a different paradigm, such as that offered by LISTSERV, you can learn more about it here: http://lists.psu.edu/ By the way, Penn State University (USA) apparently hosts numerous public-use lists like the one I subscribe to for folk music DJs and artists. I'm not certain, but someone may need to be a student or employee at PSU to initiate and use their services to support a LISTSERV email list. I should probably also point out that LISTSERV list management software is now a product of L-Soft. You can learn a lot more about LISTSERV email list management software here; http://www.lsoft.com/products/listserv-powered.asp I have no financial or personal ties to either PSU or L-Soft. These comments are mere observations. Dennis... ** At 09:44 AM 5/16/2008, Art Campbell wrote: >I believe this is the default Mailman set up, usually used to reduce >the risk of the email loops that Jeremy already mentioned. > >Art > >On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Fred Ridder wrote: > > > > Paul Findon wrote (in part): > > > >> Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, > >> others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your > >> Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. > >> > >> I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and > >> Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. > >> Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the > >> addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped > >> many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will > >> naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. > > > > FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them > > basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. > > Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the > > poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little > > crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. > > _ > > Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i'm Initiative from Microsoft. > > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount > > ___ > > > > >-- >Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent >and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as dennisb at chronometrics.com. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dennisb%40chronometrics.com > >Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Dennis Brunnenmeyer Director of Engineering CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS 15019 Rattlesnake Road Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710 Office: (530) 477-9015 Fax: (530) 477-9085 Mobile: (530) 320-9025 eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com
default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update NowAvailable (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
Syed, If you look at the headers on these messages, you'll see many lines that include clues such as: Precedence: list List-Id: "An email list for FrameMaker discussions." The email client can look for the clues too, and based on the presence or absence of them, can provide another option. It's just up to the coder who does the client to implement... Art On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:36 PM, wrote: >> Paul Findon wrote (in part): >> > Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, >> > others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your >> > Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. > > Terrible approach!! The e-mail client world has been relying on "Reply" > only going to the sender for a long, long time! Changing this behavior > is likely to be far more prone to error, IMHO. > > And, FWIW, there is no "Reply-to-list" in my e-mail clients at all. How > would Outlook or Thunderbird even know these e-mails were from a "list"? > > Isn't a "list" just like a giant e-mail alias (where people can > add/remove themselves without needing an alias administrator)? > >> > I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and >> > Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. > > Hmmm ... not my experience. The lists that I am on send this stuff to me > via e-mail. It is my e-mail client behavior that governs how the > addressing is done ... nothing to do with the list. > >> > Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the >> > addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped >> > many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will >> > naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. > > Fred Ridder wrote: >> FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them >> basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. >> Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the >> poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little >> crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. > > Exactly the way I would too! > > E-mail is e-mail. My experience with e-mail client programs: you do a > Reply, it goes to the Sender, and you do a Reply-All, it goes to > everybody on that e-mail "To:" and "Cc:" fields. > > The fact that it is a "list" is quite artificial ... consider it a giant > alias, and the behavior will make sense perhaps. > > I am going to stay out of further discussion on this for now - as long > as nobody messes with my e-mail client, I don't see the "problem" at > all. :) > > Z > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update NowAvailable (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
Hi Richard, You are quite right. I did not address Alan's argument, the reason being that his points did not resonate with me. > - You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are > replying to > the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged, or > inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire > list. The damage is done. Maybe. But it's highly unlikely that I would be replying to a message from a mailing list dedicated to a software product for technical authoring and publishing with anything that's personal, privileged, or inappropriate for public consumption. > - You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With two > mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to > the list. What normally happens to me with Framers is that I reply to a message with some info that I believe will of interest to other Framers and may trigger a response, or I add a new sub question. Then, after several days I remember the thread and wonder why no one has responded. I check the message I sent and discover that once again I've been fooled by Framers non-standard reply mechanism. Paul On 16 May 2008, at 15:11, Combs, Richard wrote: > Paul Findon wrote: > >> On 15 May 2008, at 04:25, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 22:05:47 -0400, Alan Houser >>> >>> wrote: >>> Which is worse? -- - You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are replying to the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged, > or inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire list. The damage is done. - You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With > two mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to the list. A default "reply-to-all" listserv configuration is evil. >>> >>> Quite right. But it's worse than that. A list with reply-to-all >> >> I disagree. >> >> Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, >> others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your >> Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. > > You're making a distinction without a difference. Alan and Jeremy > weren't speaking _literally_ about "reply-to-all," but _functionally_. > Your "reply-to-list" goes to everyone on the list, so it functions > exactly as Alan described. > > You haven't countered Alan's argument, just stated that you prefer > something different. OK, noted. :-) > > Richard > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-777-0436 > -- > > > > > >
default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update NowAvailable (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
On 16 May 2008, at 18:36, wrote: >> Paul Findon wrote (in part): >>> Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, >>> others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your >>> Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. > > Terrible approach!! The e-mail client world has been relying on > "Reply" > only going to the sender for a long, long time! Changing this behavior > is likely to be far more prone to error, IMHO. > > And, FWIW, there is no "Reply-to-list" in my e-mail clients at all. > How > would Outlook or Thunderbird even know these e-mails were from a > "list"? > > Isn't a "list" just like a giant e-mail alias (where people can > add/remove themselves without needing an alias administrator)? > >>> I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and >>> Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. > > Hmmm ... not my experience. The lists that I am on send this stuff > to me > via e-mail. It is my e-mail client behavior that governs how the > addressing is done ... nothing to do with the list. Mailman (the mailing list manager used for Framers), LISTSERV, Yahoo Groups, and other mailing list programs allow the list owner to specify whether or not message replies are sent to the list (normal, IMHO) or sender only. If it's list, the mailing list program automatically adds a "Reply-To" field to the headers of messages sent out to subscribers that contains the list address, and when they click Reply in their e-mail client, the Reply-To address is used. If there's no Reply-To field, as is the case with Framers, the e-mail client uses the address in the From field. If you take a look at the headers of messages from other groups that you subscribe to, it's likely that you'll see a Reply-To field. Look at the headers of Framers messages, on the hand, and you won't. I'm currently on eight lists. Seven of them add a Reply-To field so that replies go the list. Framers is the odd one out. FWIW, I've setup and run lists using LISTSERV and Yahoo Groups. Paul PS: It just happened again. I meant to send this to the list but it went to Z only. How did I discover this? A message I sent later appeared on the list before this one, so I checked the message I'd sent, noticed the addressing error and sent it again. Humbug!
default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update NowAvailable (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
Paul Although I subscribe to "both types" of mail lists, I never noticed the difference regarding the presence or absence of the "Reply To:" field and the way that my email client responds to its absence or presence. Thanks for pointing this out. Dennis... * At 12:34 PM 5/16/2008, Paul Findon wrote: >Mailman (the mailing list manager used for Framers), LISTSERV, Yahoo >Groups, and other mailing list programs allow the list owner to >specify whether or not message replies are sent to the list (normal, >IMHO) or sender only. If it's list, the mailing list program >automatically adds a "Reply-To" field to the headers of messages sent >out to subscribers that contains the list address, and when they >click Reply in their e-mail client, the Reply-To address is used. If >there's no Reply-To field, as is the case with Framers, the e-mail >client uses the address in the From field. > >If you take a look at the headers of messages from other groups that >you subscribe to, it's likely that you'll see a Reply-To field. Look >at the headers of Framers messages, on the hand, and you won't. > >I'm currently on eight lists. Seven of them add a Reply-To field so >that replies go the list. Framers is the odd one out. Dennis Brunnenmeyer Director of Engineering CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS 15019 Rattlesnake Road Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710 Office: (530) 477-9015 Fax: (530) 477-9085 Mobile: (530) 320-9025 eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com
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Actually, there are 2 major problems with Word's autonumbering feature. The first one is setting it up properly, for which we do have control. The second one is stability, for which we have absolutely no control. From my own experience, I have not yet found a way to get stable numbering in a Word doc. Period. On the other hand, this is one of Frame's great advantage. Stability. Richard Pesant -Original Message- From: Jon Harvey [mailto:jhar...@cambridgesoft.com] Sent: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:08:05 -0400 To: Deirdre Reagan, Robin B White Cc: Frame Users, Leah Smaller Subject: RE: Framemaker uses I have to agree with Deirdre. I struggled with the same autonumbering issues in Word that everyone else has before I realized how it actually works. Even after you know how to use it, you still have to pay attention to what you are doing so that you don't mess it up. But do I like it better than how FM does the same thing? Of course not. FM is much easier to use. Jon Harvey Manager, Desktop Documentation CambridgeSoft Corporation 100 CambridgePark Drive Cambridge, MA 02140 (617) 588-9354
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I'm surprised that no one has commented on how well the FM CDs function as mini-Frisbees. Get a good spin on one and you can sail it clear across a software engineering lab... And they make good coasters. Art On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Richard Pesant wrote: > Actually, there are 2 major problems with Word's autonumbering feature. The > first one is setting it up properly, for which we do have control. The > second one is stability, for which we have absolutely no control. From my > own experience, I have not yet found a way to get stable numbering in a Word > doc. Period. On the other hand, this is one of Frame's great advantage. > Stability. > > > > Richard Pesant > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jon Harvey [mailto:JHarvey at cambridgesoft.com] > > Sent: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:08:05 -0400 > > To: Deirdre Reagan, Robin B White > > Cc: Frame Users, Leah Smaller > > Subject: RE: Framemaker uses > > > > I have to agree with Deirdre. I struggled with the same autonumbering > > issues in Word that everyone else has before I realized how it actually > > works. Even after you know how to use it, you still have to pay > > attention to what you are doing so that you don't mess it up. But do I > > like it better than how FM does the same thing? Of course not. FM is > > much easier to use. > > > > > > Jon Harvey > > Manager, Desktop Documentation > > CambridgeSoft Corporation > > 100 CambridgePark Drive > > Cambridge, MA 02140 > > (617) 588-9354 > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
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Hi Richard: I agree the FrameMaker's numbering system is far superior to Word's system. However, in Word, you can stabilize the numbering system. Go to Tools>Protect Document and click the box Limit formatting to a selection of styles. Click the Settings link and from there, you can choose which styles the document's users can employ and which they cannot. Deirdre On 5/16/08, Richard Pesant wrote: > Actually, there are 2 major problems with Word's autonumbering feature. The > first one is setting it up properly, for which we do have control. The > second one is stability, for which we have absolutely no control. From my > own experience, I have not yet found a way to get stable numbering in a Word > doc. Period. On the other hand, this is one of Frame's great advantage. > Stability. > > > > Richard Pesant > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jon Harvey [mailto:JHarvey at cambridgesoft.com] > > Sent: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:08:05 -0400 > > To: Deirdre Reagan, Robin B White > > Cc: Frame Users, Leah Smaller > > Subject: RE: Framemaker uses > > > > I have to agree with Deirdre. I struggled with the same autonumbering > > issues in Word that everyone else has before I realized how it actually > > works. Even after you know how to use it, you still have to pay > > attention to what you are doing so that you don't mess it up. But do I > > like it better than how FM does the same thing? Of course not. FM is > > much easier to use. > > > > > > Jon Harvey > > Manager, Desktop Documentation > > CambridgeSoft Corporation > > 100 CambridgePark Drive > > Cambridge, MA 02140 > > (617) 588-9354 > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as deirdre.reagan at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/deirdre.reagan%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
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Art Campbell, who is clearly in Friday mode, wrote: > I'm surprised that no one has commented on how well the FM CDs > function as mini-Frisbees. > Get a good spin on one and you can sail it clear across a software > engineering lab... > And they make good coasters. Well, CDs and DVDs do work pretty well as flying disks (but not as as a Frisbee?, thank you), but I have always thought that they make *lousy* coasters. It's inevitable that at least some of the condensation that any self-respecting coaster is supposed to contain just runs through the center hole onto the underlying table, ruining the fine patina forever. _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_family_safety_052008
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Linda, Perhaps running the Windows Installer Cleanup Utility will help. There might be a mangled Installer process stuck somewhere. Here is the description: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301 The download link is inconspicuous about halfway down the page. Mike Wickham
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> However, in Word, you can stabilize the numbering system. Go to > Tools>Protect Document and click the box Limit formatting to a > selection of styles. Click the Settings link and from there, you can > choose which styles the document's users can employ and which they > cannot. I just did a couple of quick tests in a Word doc with four Numbered format threads in the dreaded Eight Panes of Pain, otherwise known as the Bullets and Numbering window. I was able to start new numbered lists in any of the threads. That's the core of the problem with numbered lists--you can't be sure that all numbered lists are in the same thread. Locking the styles doesn't seem to fix it. Have I missed something? = Mike Bradley www.techpubs.com
