Re: Footnotes and paragraph formatting

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

You can manage that too by setting the size and offset by
experimenting with the size and offset percentage in Format  Document
 Text Options dialog box. Try changing the size of Superscript to 70%
and the offset to something that will not change the line height. Just
remember that this will affect the whole document for everything that
is in Superscript.

Bodvar

2009/1/27 Callie Bertsche c.berts...@tecplot.com:
 Thanks Art and others who replied! Such a great solution. It does drive
 my page count up (I wish there was also a way to make the footnote
 number itself not as super of a superscript in line with the text),
 but definitely a relief to easily fix the problem! How could I have
 missed that little checkbox.

 Callie


 

From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:39 AM
To: Callie Bertsche
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Footnotes and paragraph formatting


In the paragraph format, check the Fixed Space checkbox. That
 turns off the extra space used by the superscript characters.

Art

Art Campbell
 art.campb...@gmail.com
 ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
 No
 disclaimers apply.

 DoD 358



On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Callie Bertsche
 c.berts...@tecplot.com wrote:


Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM
 document without
disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a
 footnote, it increases
the line spacing just for the line that includes the
 footnote reference
number. It's driving one of my product owners crazy, so
 I'm looking for
a solution. We noticed that in Word 2007, this problem
 is solved by
having a little larger default line spacing, into which
 a footnote ref
number comfortably fits. I tried increasing the line
 spacing of the
paragraph in FM, though, and it hasn't helped. I've also
 tried adjusting
the footnote settings in Format  Document  Footnote
 properties, but
the only thing I can do there to help is adjust the
 position to
Superscript, Baseline, or Subscript, and although
 Baseline results in no
line spacing change, the number no longer looks like a
 footnote.

I'm grateful for any suggestions! If you reply to me
 directly I'll
receive it the fastest, since I have Framers set on
 Digest mode.
Thanks!

Callie Bertsche
Technical Writer

Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View


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Re: Still no Hebrew/Arabic?

[Shlomo Perets]

Richard,

You wrote:

I'm pretty certain FM9 still doesn't support right-to-left languages,
but before giving someone a definitive answer, I thought I'd
double-check with the list.

That's correct -- no news with respect to right-to-left languages in FM9.

With all versions of FrameMaker/Windows, you can add some isolated strings 
in Hebrew/Arabic (but without correlation between cursor location/selected 
text and the real insertion point).

I know this is a frequently-requested feature, and now that the code
base has been rewritten and Unicode is supported, it should be possible
-- albeit still difficult -- to implement it. Anyone have any special
insight (or well-grounded speculation) on when or if this might happen?

My speculation is that support for right-to-left languages does not seem 
likely, despite the implementation of Unicode in FM.


Shlomo Perets

MicroType * FrameMaker training  consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
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RE: Hypertext Links to Excel Worksheets?

[David Spreadbury]

Ted,
I don't know if this will help, but the Excel2007 Help provides the
following information on linking to a specific sheet within a workbook:

Note   You may find it more convenient to create an external reference link
without opening the workbook on the Web. For each cell in the destination
workbook where you want the external reference link, click the cell, and
then type an equal sign (=), the URL (Uniform Resource Locator (URL): An
address that specifies a protocol (such as HTTP or FTP) and a location of an
object, document, World Wide Web page, or other destination on the Internet
or an intranet, for example: http://www.microsoft.com/.) address, and the
location in the workbook. For example: 

='http://www.someones.homepage/[file.xls]Sheet1'!A1

Note that the link has a keyword 'Sheetx'. I would think that Frame could
use this syntax in openfile filename.

Maybe something like:

Message openfile \workbooks\myworkbook.xlsSheetx!A1

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ted Poulos
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:03 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Hypertext Links to Excel Worksheets?

Does anyone know if it is possible, and, if so, the correct syntax for a 
hypertext link from a FrameMaker doc to an Excel worksheet?
Message openfile filename successfully opens the Excel workbook, but I 
want to designate a specific tab (worksheet) in the workbook as my
destination.

Thanks,

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RE: Footnotes and paragraph formatting

[Callie Bertsche]

Thank you! Awesome! My document looks so much better between these two
solutions.

 -Original Message-
 From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bod...@gmail.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:19 AM
 To: Callie Bertsche
 Cc: Art Campbell; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Footnotes and paragraph formatting
 
 You can manage that too by setting the size and offset by 
 experimenting with the size and offset percentage in Format  Document
  Text Options dialog box. Try changing the size of Superscript to 70%
 and the offset to something that will not change the line 
 height. Just remember that this will affect the whole 
 document for everything that is in Superscript.
 
 Bodvar
 
 2009/1/27 Callie Bertsche c.berts...@tecplot.com:
  Thanks Art and others who replied! Such a great solution. It does 
  drive my page count up (I wish there was also a way to make the 
  footnote number itself not as super of a superscript in line with 
  the text), but definitely a relief to easily fix the problem! How 
  could I have missed that little checkbox.
 
  Callie
 
 
  
 
 From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:39 AM
 To: Callie Bertsche
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Footnotes and paragraph formatting
 
 
 In the paragraph format, check the Fixed Space 
 checkbox. That 
  turns off the extra space used by the superscript characters.
 
 Art
 
 Art Campbell
  art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world 
 beats a '52 
  Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No 
  disclaimers apply.
 
  DoD 358
 
 
 
 On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Callie Bertsche 
  c.berts...@tecplot.com wrote:
 
 
 Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM 
  document without
 disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a 
  footnote, it increases
 the line spacing just for the line that includes the 
  footnote reference
 number. It's driving one of my product 
 owners crazy, so 
  I'm looking for
 a solution. We noticed that in Word 2007, 
 this problem 
  is solved by
 having a little larger default line spacing, 
 into which 
  a footnote ref
 number comfortably fits. I tried increasing the line 
  spacing of the
 paragraph in FM, though, and it hasn't helped. I've 
  also tried adjusting
 the footnote settings in Format  Document  
 Footnote 
  properties, but
 the only thing I can do there to help is adjust the 
  position to
 Superscript, Baseline, or Subscript, and although 
  Baseline results in no
 line spacing change, the number no longer 
 looks like a 
  footnote.
 
 I'm grateful for any suggestions! If you reply to me 
  directly I'll
 receive it the fastest, since I have Framers set on 
  Digest mode.
 Thanks!
 
 Callie Bertsche
 Technical Writer
 
 Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View
 
 
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wrestling with referenced graphics pointers

[Ben Hechter]

Hi,

Wondering if folks have thoughts on how adding the date to a document directory 
name each time a draft is archived could impact the pathname of the referenced 
graphics.

Seems like I've had some cases where the referenced graphics pointers get lost 
because the folder name has changed, and other cases where the referenced 
graphics pointers remain accurate, or am I imagining this?

For project reasons, the archived copy needs to open without errors, so 
re-homing the graphics directory after the fact is not an option.

Thanks for any wisdom from the collective guru!

Ben

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RE: wrestling with referenced graphics pointers

[David Spreadbury]

Ben,
If you change the directory name you have changed the relative path to the
graphics.

The path must stay the same, relative to the source files.

One solution would be to store the graphics in the same tree as the source
files, i.e.,

BookFolder
--|SourceFiles
--|Graphics

Then when the source files look for the graphics, they are at the same
relative level but in a different folder. When you archive, change the date
of the BookFolder, not the SourceFile or Graphics folders.


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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:54 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: wrestling with referenced graphics pointers

Hi,

Wondering if folks have thoughts on how adding the date to a document
directory name each time a draft is archived could impact the pathname of
the referenced graphics.

Seems like I've had some cases where the referenced graphics pointers get
lost because the folder name has changed, and other cases where the
referenced graphics pointers remain accurate, or am I imagining this?

For project reasons, the archived copy needs to open without errors, so
re-homing the graphics directory after the fact is not an option.

Thanks for any wisdom from the collective guru!

Ben

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Re: wrestling with referenced graphics pointers

[Art Campbell]

If you make an entire copy of the project at the same directory level, you
should be OK because that doesn't change the relative paths.

 Base Directory
Dec.Jan.   Feb.

So making a March copy at this level would work, because you're rolling the
directory forward in relation to the base directory.

But going from
Base Directory
Dec.Jan.   Feb.

to
   Base DirectoryBackup
Directory
 Feb.
Dec.Jan.

will break things.

Best/easiest solution is to use Bruce Foster's Archive plug-in to create
entire self-contained archives of each book. You can move those folders
anywhere because the links have been modified to work in the Archive folder.


Art Campbell
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  DoD 358


On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Ben Hechter bhech...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Wondering if folks have thoughts on how adding the date to a document
 directory name each time a draft is archived could impact the pathname of
 the referenced graphics.

 Seems like I've had some cases where the referenced graphics pointers get
 lost because the folder name has changed, and other cases where the
 referenced graphics pointers remain accurate, or am I imagining this?

 For project reasons, the archived copy needs to open without errors, so
 re-homing the graphics directory after the fact is not an option.

 Thanks for any wisdom from the collective guru!

 Ben

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FM 9.0 Download Problem

[Owen, Clint]

After much frustration and non-helpful help on Adobe's website I was
finally able to download the FM 9.0 trial last night.

The key turned out to be turning off the pop-up blocker in IE, which
then allowed the Akami Download Manager to be installed as an Active-X
control.

The download help page mentions that the download manager is needed for
large downloads, so I assumed that was the problem. But none of the
information about the download manager actually tells you how to get it.
Everything I read made it sound like something you needed to download
and install separately, so I spent a lot of fruitless time looking for a
link to download the download manager! 

I finally realized that IE was blocking something whenever I started the
download, and was able to figure it out. The whole process is not very
intuitive and not explained very well.

Thanks to Jack Deland for also providing a clue about the download
manager.

Clint


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RE: Footnotes and paragraph formatting

[Dosick, Daniel (GE EntSol, Security)]

Callie--

Go to Format  Document  Text Options. There, you can adjust
superscript (as well as subscript) height and size.

--Dan

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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:53:49 -0800
From: Callie Bertsche c.berts...@tecplot.com
Subject: RE: Footnotes and paragraph formatting
To: Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID:
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Thanks Art and others who replied! Such a great solution. It does drive
my page count up (I wish there was also a way to make the footnote
number itself not as super of a superscript in line with the text),
but definitely a relief to easily fix the problem! How could I have
missed that little checkbox.
 
Callie


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Re: Ctrl-Alt-u shortcut bug

[Klaus Daube]

On 22 Jan 2009 at 11:12, Heidi Bailey wrote:

 Has anyone seen or got a solution to the Ctrl-Alt-u shortcut bug? When I
 use it, FM places a ú
 
 in front of the word following the selected text.

IN FM8.0 p277 it's all OK, the shortcut sets the selection to UPPR 
CASE.

- do you have another version of FM?
- do you have any plugins which modify shortcuts?
- what kind of keyboard do you have? Even with a Swiss keyboard using 
AltGr FM behaves.

HTH
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RE: Extra space after text insets

[Shrobona Choudhuri]

Hi Stuart,

Thanks for your response!

-Shrobona

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Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 2:28 AM
To: Shrobona Choudhuri
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Extra space after text insets

Shrobona Choudhuri wrote:
 Hi!
 
  
 
 While I am importing the text insets from a source file, an extra
blank
 line is automatically added after the content of the text inset. It
 seems a minor problem, but I really don't want that extra space! I
have
 to go to the container document each time to remove this extra space.
 How do I get rid of this problem?
 

I'm not sure why your message from the 21st has only appeared in my 
inbox today (26th), but I don't see any replies, so here's one for you: 
  before you import the text inset, put a space (or better, a 
ctrl-space, so you'll see the text symbol) in the container pgf.  Then 
move your cursor in front of the ctrl-space and import the inset.



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Re: FM9 show stoppers - some problems solved!

[Klaus Daube]

Dear all - especially Adobe

At first I must apologise for my harsh reaction on this issue. I seem 
to
have a really crazy installion:

While this was a real pain in the back when I was testing on friday
(2009-01-23) and again on saturday on my laptop, the problem seems to 
have
gone! 
Now (2009-01-29) display of typed characters is as fast as I type (but 
it feels not as smooth as in other applications, including FM8).
Even the backspacing behaves and also the selection with the arrow 
keys. I have no idea, what the reason was. But I know that it happened 
only in FM-9 because at the same time I had FM-8 also open and there 
the effect did not appear. It also did not appear in the browser where 
I entered my forum text.  

On friday/saturday I did my tests with a document with many missing 
files
(pictures). Today  I repeated the tests: 
Document with missing files
- standard open with prompt for the missing files = OK 
- opening silently = OK 
- opening heroically = OK 
Today I also tested with a new file (3 pages of text, some anchored 
frames) = OK
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Looking for software to convert Framemaker 7 sources to clean HTML (for HTML Help) supporting multiple languages

[Celine Deguire]

Hello Framers

I am looking for a software to convert Framemaker 7.2 documentation sources
to clean HTML (for HTML Help). I have been reviewing Mif2Go and was
convinced it was the good option until I just read in the product
documentation Mif2Go does not currently support Japanese. I need this
product to work with multiple international languages including German,
Japanese, Russian, and Chinese as well as many others.

Regards

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RE: Outline

[VLM TechSubs]

Hi Terry,

Two questions about Enhance, since you have experience with it: 

1. Can one assign any paratags to any outline level? (Not bound to Heading1,
etc.)

2. Can one assign more than one paratag to a given outline level? For
example, can one assign H3 and H3 Close to the same outline level?

Thank you kindly,
Elchanan

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Terry Smith
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:34 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Outline

Don Spencer wrote:
 Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something 
 akin to Outline View? Would be nice.

Yes! Enhance gives you an outline view of your FrameMaker document. It's
wonderful for reorganizing large documents. In fact, I'd recommend the
product just to help you navigate within a document. Here's the URL:
http://www.sandybrook.com/

---
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RE: FM 9.0 Download Problem

[Pinkham, Jim]

Second that! I had a similar experience yesterday. Although I saw the
light fairly quickly, it was more luck than intent. This aspect of the
FM 9 download was not particularly obvious or intuitive. Nor was the
fact that TCS 2 apparently really can't be downloaded en toto, but only
ordered on DVD. Yes, the download link takes one to the DVD order form,
but the front-end page(s) should clarify that the whole suite cannot be
downloaded at once at this time. 

Jim

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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:44 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM 9.0 Download Problem

After much frustration and non-helpful help on Adobe's website I was
finally able to download the FM 9.0 trial last night.

The key turned out to be turning off the pop-up blocker in IE, which
then allowed the Akami Download Manager to be installed as an Active-X
control.

The download help page mentions that the download manager is needed for
large downloads, so I assumed that was the problem. But none of the
information about the download manager actually tells you how to get it.
Everything I read made it sound like something you needed to download
and install separately, so I spent a lot of fruitless time looking for a
link to download the download manager! 

I finally realized that IE was blocking something whenever I started the
download, and was able to figure it out. The whole process is not very
intuitive and not explained very well.

Thanks to Jack Deland for also providing a clue about the download
manager.

Clint


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RE: Still no Hebrew/Arabic?

[Dov Isaacs]

FWIW, FrameMaker's code base was not rewritten but rather, modified to
support Unicode.

Unicode support does not necessarily include support for input methods
for all writing systems. FrameMaker doesn't have input methods for either
Hebrew or Arabic, which by the way although both are right-to-left languages
each have to have their own input method when considering issues associated
with ligatures, vowels, etc.

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Shlomo Perets
 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:01 AM
 
 Richard,
 
 You wrote:
 
 I'm pretty certain FM9 still doesn't support right-to-left languages,
 but before giving someone a definitive answer, I thought I'd
 double-check with the list.
 
 That's correct -- no news with respect to right-to-left languages in FM9.
 
 With all versions of FrameMaker/Windows, you can add some isolated strings
 in Hebrew/Arabic (but without correlation between cursor location/selected
 text and the real insertion point).
 
 I know this is a frequently-requested feature, and now that the code
 base has been rewritten and Unicode is supported, it should be possible
 -- albeit still difficult -- to implement it. Anyone have any special
 insight (or well-grounded speculation) on when or if this might happen?
 
 My speculation is that support for right-to-left languages does not seem
 likely, despite the implementation of Unicode in FM.
 
 
 Shlomo Perets
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Re: VISIO, WMF, and PNG

[Art Campbell]

In Visio 2007, you get a dialog box when you SaveAs PNG.
I set the resolution to 240 or so -- the pixilation is likely to show up if
you accept the default setting of Screen.

In any case, try boosting the resolution.

AND... does anything else look poor in the PDF? If so, you may want to look
at your job options for compressing graphics and dial them down.

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On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Joseph panoptico...@gmail.com wrote:

 Several of the documents I work on use Visio drawings. I save the Visio
 drawings as PNGs and then import the PNGs into FrameMaker. When I print the
 frame book as a PDF, the PNG looks horribly pixellated.

 On the other hand, when I save the Visio drawing as a WMF and use that WMF
 in FrameMaker, there is almost no pixellation when I print to PDF.

 I am not sure what the problem is here. I would much rather use PNGs, but
 not if they are so pixellated they are almost impossible to view in a PDF.
 Is it how Visio saves PNGs, or  my settings (e.g. screen res, settings in
 viso for saving the graphic), or how FrameMaker is processing the PNG when
 printing to PDF?

 If there is anyone who successfully exports Visio drawings to PNG and then
 imports them into FrameMaker, what settings do you use for your computer,
 in
 Visio, and in Frame?

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 Sincerely,

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RE: VISIO, WMF, and PNG

[Dov Isaacs]

WMF is a vector format based on Windows GDI. That's why it looks smooth and
is certainly preferable to PNG which is raster and for print purposes, unless
you go to 600dpi or more for Visio vector style drawing, PNG will look cruddy!

Be careful with WMF, though! Sometimes text doesn't make it through WMF
successfully and Visio's WMF export is not stellar by any means.

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Joseph
 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:09 AM
 
 Several of the documents I work on use Visio drawings. I save the Visio
 drawings as PNGs and then import the PNGs into FrameMaker. When I print the
 frame book as a PDF, the PNG looks horribly pixellated.
 
 On the other hand, when I save the Visio drawing as a WMF and use that WMF
 in FrameMaker, there is almost no pixellation when I print to PDF.
 
 I am not sure what the problem is here. I would much rather use PNGs, but
 not if they are so pixellated they are almost impossible to view in a PDF.
 Is it how Visio saves PNGs, or  my settings (e.g. screen res, settings in
 viso for saving the graphic), or how FrameMaker is processing the PNG when
 printing to PDF?
 
 If there is anyone who successfully exports Visio drawings to PNG and then
 imports them into FrameMaker, what settings do you use for your computer, in
 Visio, and in Frame?
 
 --
 Sincerely,
 
 Joseph Lorenzini
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non-Adobe *.pdf

[Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC]

Hello FrameManiacs,

Would anyone who is generating *.pdf files outside of the Adobe Acrobat
world please share what application you use and and pros-n-cons

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Re: VISIO, WMF, and PNG

[Alan Litchfield]

Joseph,

Hi, seems Visio graphics are the flavour of the month :)

Just to summarise what has been said on the list over the last couple of weeks.

1. Visio uses an internal file format and is not a graphics format, as such
2. Visio native files are best not used in FM
3. The Visio files then need to be exported in some suitable format.

Now, relating to your specific enquiry:

4. The standard output formats that Visio uses are problematic for a number of
reasons:
4a. PNG is a raster image format, meaning that it uses pixels to create an
image and is therefore going to print as a pixellated image. It was only ever
intended that this image format was to be used onscreen, not for print
purposes. So onscreen it will probably look ok but printed, pretty bad (and
sure, someone will chime in and say hey mine are ok which won't help you);
4b. WMF supports both raster and vector based art but the format is not well
documented and specific files, for example from Visio, may have inclusions
that create problems when the file is printed. For example, stray lines
appearing between vectors, or fonts that are not correctly specified in the
WMF file and display incorrectly when printed. In general, and depending on
your situation, WMF is ok. However it is not guaranteable that WMF will always
work.
5. So, what has been suggested on this list, and is an approach I use, is to
print your Visio file to PDF and import that into FM.

Therefore, I would say not to use PNG. Instead use PDF.

Alan

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Re: non-Adobe *.pdf

[Alan Litchfield]

You mean in general or from Frame? What specifically do you want to know?

I use pdfLaTeX pretty much daily, from time to time ps2pdf.

No issues in using them. pdfLaTeX is run from a text editor and ps2pdf is
normally run from a command line. I use them with files generated from
metafont, LaTeX, etc.

Alan

Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC wrote:
 Hello FrameManiacs,

 Would anyone who is generating *.pdf files outside of the Adobe Acrobat
 world please share what application you use and and pros-n-cons


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Re: Looking for software to convert Framemaker 7 sources to clean HTML (for HTML Help) supporting multiple languages

[Art Campbell]

You may want to double-check this with Jeremy at omsys. (supp...@omsys.com)
Did it blow up when you tested it with Japanese characters?

Omsys makes a point on their site of saying that they fully support FM...
which to me would mean supporting any languages that FM supports too. It's
possible that they haven't revved their doc but the code actually works.

Cheers,
Art

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On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Celine Deguire celdegu...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello Framers

 I am looking for a software to convert Framemaker 7.2 documentation sources
 to clean HTML (for HTML Help). I have been reviewing Mif2Go and was
 convinced it was the good option until I just read in the product
 documentation Mif2Go does not currently support Japanese. I need this
 product to work with multiple international languages including German,
 Japanese, Russian, and Chinese as well as many others.

 Regards

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Re: Outline

[quills]

I would categorize this a perceived gains, capabilities, and costs. 
One very big gain and capability that structured documents give you 
is the ability to require only certain structures to fit after other 
structures.

I can't comment on the capability of Enhance to require a  specific 
structure must exist following any other element, or that they may be 
optional, or that they are forbidden. XML will do that under 
FrameMaker, as well as allow you to collapse the structure as you 
describe.

Again, it is about perceived gains, capabilities, and costs. If the 
costs outweigh the gains and capabilities, then you go another route.

Scott

At 12:05 PM +1100 1/28/09, Hedley Finger wrote:
Scott, Gary:

  What you are referring to
  doing, Hedley, is operating in a structured environment.

You have misrepresented what I actually said.

I have used the DITA XML schema and the DITA-FMx plug-in for FrameMaker
to develop structured documentation.  But it is certainly a far from
trivial exercise to set up the structapp.fm file with all the formatting
rules to get your preferred look and feel.  You would only take on this
level of setting-up overhead if you could amortise the time/cost over a
significant number of titles.

I do not think Donald was looking to get into structured documentation
just yet.  He probably has a virtual structure where, in his mind and in
his files, Heading 1 /is/ at a higher level than Heading 2.  For those
who want some of the benefits of structure in unstructured documents
without the hassle, I highly recommend Enhance for FrameMaker from
Sandybrook Software.  You can configure it so that Heading 1 is indeed
higher than Heading 2, so that when you collapse the Heading 1 block,
any contained  Heading 2 subblocks are suppressed but revealed when
Heading 1 is expanded again.

Enhance works pretty much like the structured view in Word and you can
perform all the same operations in Enhance that you can in Word,
including outlining when you are developing the structure initially.

So for Donald, Enhance is the way to go.

A structured document, preferable saved to XML and opened directly from
XML (*.fm files are not used at all) has many advantages: you can use
all the XML tools on the saved files but work in a friendly WYSIWYG
environment.

Regards,
Hedley

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Re: Frame 9: improved CMYK

[Art Campbell]

To put this on context...

In 9, using SaveAs to create a PDF with CMYK works, EXCEPT when the FM file
contains embedded PDFs -- in effect, nesting the PDFs.

So it's partially whacked, but if you don't nest PDFs as imported graphics
in FM, it works.

Art

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On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Reng, Winfried wr...@tycoint.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Here is another post from Arnis Gubins from the Adobe FrameMaker
 forum:

 ... After extensive testing with his files and others, using
 imported PDFs with the new CMYK SaveAsPDF is broken from the get go.

 When using imported PDFs in FM, the CMYK SaveAsPDF option renders
 these imported PDFs as low-res RGB TIFFs on output. Yuck! A major
 foobar in the latest point version of this release.

 HOWEVER, using EPS files works just fine! So converting the PDFs to
 EPS before import is a workaround for now.

 ---

 Best regards

 Winfried

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  From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
  [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
  Art Campbell
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:04 PM
  To: Mike H
  Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: Re: Frame 9: improved CMYK
 
  Mike,
  There are a couple of threads about CMYK support on the Adobe
  User Forum for
  Frame.
  According to one of the moderators there (Arnis, who I'm not
  sure is on this
  list), who has played with this a bit:
 
  Yes, CMYK (and spot colours too) works when doing the Save As PDF
  (Adobe somehow manages to slip in a different postscript header that
  isn't available when you manually print to the Adobe PDF printer
  instance). The Save As PDF works very well when everything is
  configured correctly.
 
  So the trick seems to be electing the SaveAs option rather
  than Printing,
  which is the default for many of us.
  I would have done it the other way around, but ...
 
  Cheers,
  Art
 
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  '52 Vincent and a
  redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
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  disclaimers apply.
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  On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Mike H sene...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hmm -
   what does the 'improved CMYK support' in Frame 9 entail? MY CMYK
   colour definitions (Pantone Process) still get converted to RGB if I
   set the joboptions to, 'leave colour as is.' - And I just
  note that p.
   446 of the manual still says that the default is CMYK - RGB
   conversion. However, the next paragraph tells me: if you deselect
   this option [which one?] Framemaker preserves CMYK
  colours. What am I
   missing, what option can I deselect to preserve my CMYK
  views (I only
   import *.eps, so that's not the issue.)?
  
   I know that in the pdf joboptions I can turn on, convert
  all colours
   to cmyk, but that gives me CMYK (colour 'view') - RGB - CMYK, and
   my Pantone percentages get all mixed up in the process. How do I
   preserve my CMYK colour definitions without going through RGB?
  
   Cheers,
   Mike
  
   -
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   London, ON
   Canada
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Re: Outline

[Peter Gold]

Here's a method that nobody's mentioned yet. It's not complete or
perfect, but it may be useful:

* Create a TOC that extracts all the heading paragraph formats that
you want in an outline. Be sure to check Make Hypertext Links. The TOC
can be for a single document or a book.

* Modify the *TOC paragraph formats to indent the way you want.

* Format the TOC page to a narrow column, and a height that's readable
when zoomed to full-height on your screen.

* Set the zoom to Fit Page to Text Frame.

* Arrange your screen with the narrow outline frame next to the
document page frame.

* Use Frame's Ctrl+Alt+Click on a heading in the TOC to move the
insertion point to that heading, so you can edit at that location.

* Regenerate the TOC

NOTES:

- To make the links in the TOC active with a single click, instead of
with Ctrl+Alt+Click: tap Escape, tap Shift+F, tap k. The same sequence
restores editabiity.

- To reuse the outline TOC, save it to a new name. This is handy if
you've moved stuff and then need to restore the original order.

- Save the real TOC with a new name, and save a copy of the narrow
outline TOC to a new name. When you want to generate the real TOC,
close the outline TOC and delete or rename it, then open the real TOC,
save it to the correct name, and generate.

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
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Re: Still no Hebrew/Arabic?

[tom . kohn]

Hello Richard and List-

Entering text in a right-to-left language is not a function of FrameMaker, 
but of Windows. Most settings for the language are made in 

Start  Control Panel  Regional and Language Options
1. Set all numeric, date, time, and language settings for the region (note 
almost all Arabic-speaking countries have different settings available).
2. Under the Languages tab, select Install files for complex script and 
right-to-left languages.
3. If you have non-US keyboards or other text entry devices, select 
Details (still under the Languages tab) and add the services installed on 
your computer. *
4. If your text does not use Unicode, under the Advanced tab, select the 
code page conversion tables.

* Note it is possible to use a US keyboard, although you need to learn the 
keyboard layout that will usurp the US layout when you have the 
right-to-left language invoked.

Now in FrameMaker or any other software, set the Format  Font and/or 
Paragraph Designer  Default Font for displaying the right-to-left 
language in the Paragraph Styles for the language.

By displaying Windows Language bar, you can easily switch from one 
language format or keyboard layout to another. 

Caveats:
!I've experienced some bugs in the Language bar or multiple 
availability of keyboard layouts, where the keyboard layout occasionally 
switches without warning--though this may be from use of some function-key 
usages.
!Microsoft has incompletely supported Farsi, though they claim that 
their support is fully implemented. Two important letters are 
inaccessible. The same may be true for Hebrew and some Indic languages. It 
appears that more purely Arabic languages are fully supported.
!I haven't experimented with using Unicode for text entry.

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RE: VISIO, WMF, and PNG

[Combs, Richard]

Alan Litchfield wrote: 
 
 Just to summarise what has been said on the list over the last couple
of
 weeks.
 
 1. Visio uses an internal file format and is not a graphics format, as
such
 2. Visio native files are best not used in FM
 3. The Visio files then need to be exported in some suitable format.
 
 Now, relating to your specific enquiry:
 
 4. The standard output formats that Visio uses are problematic for a
number
 of
 reasons:
 4a. PNG is a raster image format, meaning that it uses pixels to
create an
 image and is therefore going to print as a pixellated image. It was
only
 ever
 intended that this image format was to be used onscreen, not for print
 purposes. So onscreen it will probably look ok but printed, pretty bad
(and
 sure, someone will chime in and say hey mine are ok which won't help
 you);
 4b. WMF supports both raster and vector based art but the format is
not
 well
 documented and specific files, for example from Visio, may have
inclusions
 that create problems when the file is printed. For example, stray
lines
 appearing between vectors, or fonts that are not correctly specified
in the
 WMF file and display incorrectly when printed. In general, and
depending on
 your situation, WMF is ok. However it is not guaranteable that WMF
will
 always
 work.
 5. So, what has been suggested on this list, and is an approach I use,
is
 to
 print your Visio file to PDF and import that into FM.
 
 Therefore, I would say not to use PNG. Instead use PDF.

What he said! 

Joseph, I strongly recommend learning about the differences between
raster (or bitmap) graphics and scalable vector graphics, and which file
formats are which. Don't convert the latter into the former if it's at
all avoidable. 

Assuming you have an Adobe PDF printer instance (i.e., you have
Distiller or the full version of Acrobat) installed on your system, it's
always avoidable by printing the vector graphic to PDF, which imports
nicely into FM. WRT Visio, this a much better solution than using its
less-than-optimal export filters to save as WMF or EPS.

Richard


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RE: VISIO, WMF, and PNG

[Lea Rush]

Please see below:

 -Original Message-
 
 Alan Litchfield wrote:
 

snip

  5. So, what has been suggested on this list, and is an approach I use,
is
  to print your Visio file to PDF and import that into FM.
 
  Therefore, I would say not to use PNG. Instead use PDF.
 
 What he said!

snip

 Assuming you have an Adobe PDF printer instance (i.e., you have
 Distiller or the full version of Acrobat) installed on your system, it's
 always avoidable by printing the vector graphic to PDF, which imports
 nicely into FM. WRT Visio, this a much better solution than using its
 less-than-optimal export filters to save as WMF or EPS.
 
 Richard

Is there a way to reconcile this advice with what Art just posted?

 In 9, using SaveAs to create a PDF with CMYK works, EXCEPT when the FM
file  
 contains embedded PDFs -- in effect, nesting the PDFs.

 So it's partially whacked, but if you don't nest PDFs as imported graphics
in FM, it 
 works.

Hoping for a solution,
Lea

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RE: VISIO, WMF, and PNG

[Alan Litchfield]

Yeah. I took a double take on what Art said too.

So does that mean that Adobe have buggered up the pdf output engine? Or is it
that the nested pdfs already contain RGB colour definitions and those are
carried through to the final output, in the same way that eps acts as a
wrapper for the postscript colour definitions in images?

Perhaps Art could flight check the pdf images he used and confirm whether they
only contain spot, cmyk, or rgb, or some combination. Then say if those are
transformed when output from FM.

Alan

Lea Rush wrote:
 Please see below:

 -Original Message-

 Alan Litchfield wrote:


 snip

  5. So, what has been suggested on this list, and is an approach I use,
 is
  to print your Visio file to PDF and import that into FM.
 
  Therefore, I would say not to use PNG. Instead use PDF.

 What he said!

 snip

 Assuming you have an Adobe PDF printer instance (i.e., you have
 Distiller or the full version of Acrobat) installed on your system, it's
 always avoidable by printing the vector graphic to PDF, which imports
 nicely into FM. WRT Visio, this a much better solution than using its
 less-than-optimal export filters to save as WMF or EPS.

 Richard

 Is there a way to reconcile this advice with what Art just posted?

 In 9, using SaveAs to create a PDF with CMYK works, EXCEPT when the FM
 file
 contains embedded PDFs -- in effect, nesting the PDFs.

 So it's partially whacked, but if you don't nest PDFs as imported graphics
 in FM, it
 works.

 Hoping for a solution,
 Lea

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AlphaByte
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RE: Outline

[Combs, Richard]

VLM TechSubs wrote:
 
 Hi Terry,
 
 Two questions about Enhance, since you have experience with it:
 
 1. Can one assign any paratags to any outline level? (Not bound to
 Heading1,
 etc.)
 
 2. Can one assign more than one paratag to a given outline level? For
 example, can one assign H3 and H3 Close to the same outline level?

I can answer those for you. 

1. Yes. In the Select Outline Formats dialog, you can select any pgf
format and move it to the Outline Formats list. The order of the formats
in that list (which you can reorder) determines the outline levels of
those pgf formats. You're limited to ten levels (which is more than
enough for any sanely organized manual, IMHO). 

2. Yes. In the same dialog box, you can select additional pgf formats
and assign them to an outline level by clicking Set Secondary Level. For
instance, after setting up your primary outline levels with H3 in the
third position, you'd select H3 Close, click Set Secondary Level, select
3, and click OK. 

AFAIK, there's no limit to the number of pgf formats that can be
assigned to the same secondary outline level, so if you have additional
pgf formats that are third-level headings, you can set their secondary
level to 3 as well.

The secondary level pgfs act just like the primary outline level pgfs,
except that when you promote a secondary level pgf, it becomes the
corresponding primary level pgf, so you have to promote it twice to
actually move it up a level in the hierarchy. 

HTH!
Richard


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Re: Looking for software to convert Framemaker 7 sources to clean HTML (for HTML Help) supporting multiple languages

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:34:07 -0500, Celine Deguire celdegu...@gmail.com 
wrote:

I am looking for a software to convert Framemaker 7.2 documentation sources
to clean HTML (for HTML Help). I have been reviewing Mif2Go and was
convinced it was the good option until I just read in the product
documentation Mif2Go does not currently support Japanese. I need this
product to work with multiple international languages including German,
Japanese, Russian, and Chinese as well as many others.

The currently would have been for versions before Frame 8,
which did not use Unicode.  So if you were to upgrade your
Frame 7.2 to 8 (for which sealed-box upgrades should still
be available on eBay), or 9, you would be able to support
Japanese, Korean, and Chinese, including Chinese using ExtB 
(which Frame doesn't display, but which is present).  

We've always supported Russian, Greek, CE, and others, just 
not double-byte (CJK, pre-8) or RTL (Hebrew, Arabic, and 
Farsi, which Frame doesn't support itself either).  We have
as many customers in Europe and the Mideast as in the US.

If you are using Asian languages much, you really should get
at least Frame 8 anyway, since it allows *much* better use
of multiple languages in one document, and supports pretty
much *all* Unicode characters in the BMP (assuming you have 
Unicode fonts that contain them).

HTH!

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RE: VISIO, WMF, and PNG

[Combs, Richard]

Alan Litchfield wrote: 
 
 Yeah. I took a double take on what Art said too.
 
 So does that mean that Adobe have buggered up the pdf output engine? Or is
 it
 that the nested pdfs already contain RGB colour definitions and those are
 carried through to the final output, in the same way that eps acts as a
 wrapper for the postscript colour definitions in images?

The latter explanation sounds highly likely, but only testing will tell. 

That said, it doesn't affect my use of PDFs from Visio (my deliverables are 
PDFs, not print) -- which is a good thing, because I'll bet dollars to 
doughnuts that PDFs made from Visio are RGB. 

Leah, if you need CMYK PDFs from Visio (or most Windows apps), I suspect the 
solution is the Publi PDF software described yesterday afternoon by Jacob 
Schäffer of Grafikhuset (www.grafikhuset.net). 

Richard


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RE: Still no Hebrew/Arabic?

[Ann Zdunczyk]

This is not truly correct. I have been working in languages for over 15
years. I have been doing laying out Arabic and Hebrew for at least 5 now. I
never change the language settings to work in any language. The software,
such as InDesign ME (Middle Eastern Version) is made to work without having
to change you language settings. I work on both Mac and Windows and I stay
in the English language setting.

Z

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a2z Publishing, Inc.
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Phone: (336)922-1271
Fax:   (336)922-4980
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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
tom.k...@kodak.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:30 PM
To: richard.co...@polycom.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Still no Hebrew/Arabic?

Hello Richard and List-

Entering text in a right-to-left language is not a function of FrameMaker, 
but of Windows. Most settings for the language are made in 

Start  Control Panel  Regional and Language Options
1. Set all numeric, date, time, and language settings for the region (note 
almost all Arabic-speaking countries have different settings available).
2. Under the Languages tab, select Install files for complex script and 
right-to-left languages.
3. If you have non-US keyboards or other text entry devices, select 
Details (still under the Languages tab) and add the services installed on 
your computer. *
4. If your text does not use Unicode, under the Advanced tab, select the 
code page conversion tables.

* Note it is possible to use a US keyboard, although you need to learn the 
keyboard layout that will usurp the US layout when you have the 
right-to-left language invoked.

Now in FrameMaker or any other software, set the Format  Font and/or 
Paragraph Designer  Default Font for displaying the right-to-left 
language in the Paragraph Styles for the language.

By displaying Windows Language bar, you can easily switch from one 
language format or keyboard layout to another. 

Caveats:
!I've experienced some bugs in the Language bar or multiple 
availability of keyboard layouts, where the keyboard layout occasionally 
switches without warning--though this may be from use of some function-key 
usages.
!Microsoft has incompletely supported Farsi, though they claim that 
their support is fully implemented. Two important letters are 
inaccessible. The same may be true for Hebrew and some Indic languages. It 
appears that more purely Arabic languages are fully supported.
!I haven't experimented with using Unicode for text entry.

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hypertext marker location in generated index

[Suzanne Bolduc]

hi!

I'm editing a manual in unstructured FM 7.2 and until recently I was
under the impression that someone forgot to set up the index to make
its entries clickable.

however I came to realize that, in the generated TOC, the hypertext
markers are located at the start of each line, and you can click
anywhere on the line to access the related content, whereas, in the
generated index, the markers appear *after* the associated entry, and
the clickable area does exist but it is very small (it is limited to
the exact location of the marker).

e.g. in the TOC:
TFeatures and 
Benefits..2
vs. in the IX
BenefitsT.2
(where T is the marker,  stands for a tab)

when there are more pages, there is a marker before each subsequent
page number, but again the clickable area is very limited: only the
space just before the page number is clickable...
e.g.
BenefitsT.2,T9,T101
(this part is more mysterious to me -- I expected that the whole page
number would be clickable since the marker is located *before* the
number.)

Is this normal? Would someone know of a solution? Would using IXGen or
some other indexing tool help?
(I scoured the FM online help to no avail... Google wasn't helpful
either, and neither was Adobe's knowledge base -- I must be missing
something...)

MTIA
Suzanne Bolduc
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Re: hypertext marker location in generated index

[Shlomo Perets]

Suzanne,

You wrote:

I'm editing a manual in unstructured FM 7.2 and until recently I was
under the impression that someone forgot to set up the index to make
its entries clickable.

however I came to realize that, in the generated TOC, the hypertext
markers are located at the start of each line, and you can click
anywhere on the line to access the related content, whereas, in the
generated index, the markers appear *after* the associated entry, and
the clickable area does exist but it is very small (it is limited to
the exact location of the marker). ...


When FrameMaker creates hypertext markers in indexes, it places
the markers in front of each page number.

Active areas expand on both sides of the marker, until there is
(a) a change in character properties, or (b) beginning or end of
paragraph are met, or (c) another hypertext marker is found --
whatever comes first.

If there is no special formatting of page numbers, the active
area includes the entire page number, as a minimum. First page
number in each entry will also make the index term itself
clickable.

If you want the index page number to look different (eg blue),
modify the paragraph properties of the IndexIX pgf ($pagenum in
the Index specification in the reference page) using the
paragraph designer. You may also add a character format in front
of the $pagenum building block.

If the active area matches the width of the hypertext marker
itself (very small), this indicates that there are some
additional character properties applied. Other than removing the
additional character properties, a FrameScript can be used to
duplicate the unique hypertext marker in each area with distinct
formatting. While this is typically useful in TOC (where entries
may retrieve formatting from source paragraphs, such as
superscript or font changes), it should not be needed in indexes.


Shlomo Perets

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Changing indentation of a graphic within an anchored frame

[Berman, Marta]

Is there a shortcut for changing the indentation of a graphic within an 
anchored frame? Our FM template is being modified to change the indentation of 
lots of paragraph tags, and we will all have to manually modify the indentation 
of almost all of our graphics - unless you happen to know of a framescript, 
macro, shortcut, or anything that can save us from this colossal task...
Thanks
Marta

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API and Database Information Engineer  Work: 03-539-9267
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FW: Changing indentation of a graphic within an anchored frame

[Berman, Marta]

 
Just to clarify, we like our graphics aligned with the text in the paragraph 
above (not centered on the page). 

Is there a shortcut for changing the indentation of a graphic within an 
anchored frame? Our FM template is being modified to change the indentation of 
lots of paragraph tags, and we will all have to manually modify the indentation 
of almost all of our graphics - unless you happen to know of a framescript, 
macro, shortcut, or anything that can save us from this colossal task...

Thanks
Marta
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Re: Changing indentation of a graphic within an anchored frame

[Yves Barbion]

Hi Marta

I guess the anchoring position of these anchored frames is Below Current
Line? In that case, I think the only option you have is a Framescript which
changes the width of the frame and the offset from left setting of the
graphic within the frame.

An other (and better) option is to put the anchored frames in an empty
paragraph (you can also do this with a framescript), which you give a
dedicated paragraph tag, for example z_anchor. You set the line spacing of
this paragraph to variable: Paragraph Designer  Basic tab  Line Spacing
 clear the Fixed check box. The line spacing will then automatically adjust
itself to the height of the anchored frame. Now, if you need to change the
positioning of the graphics, all you have to do is simply change the setting
in the Paragraph Designer for z_anchor, for example indent, but also space
above or below, alignment...

Cheers

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On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Berman, Marta marta.ber...@hp.com wrote:

 Is there a shortcut for changing the indentation of a graphic within an
 anchored frame? Our FM template is being modified to change the indentation
 of lots of paragraph tags, and we will all have to manually modify the
 indentation of almost all of our graphics - unless you happen to know of a
 framescript, macro, shortcut, or anything that can save us from this
 colossal task...
 Thanks
 Marta

 Marta Berman
 API and Database Information Engineer  Work: 03-539-9267
 Hewlett-Packard Software Cell:
  052-833-7723
 Building M3, Floor 3, Cube 369   Fax:
  03-533-1617
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FM9 Upgrade

[Alan Litchfield]

Howard,

Let's just say first that there is a lot of confusion about how to deal with
RGB channels in "print  ready" pdfs. But you say you are able to
output separations (two plates, I take it from your description - one spot and
one black) so the plate makers should be able to convert any RGB to black in
both separations.

Howard Rauch wrote:
>
> Over the past several years,?we have?done 5 or 6 major documents and have had
> a problem with RGB color in each one.?A printing house?sees us coming and
> tries to go into a hiding because?the original was?a?FM document.

Then choose a different supplier. They obviously don't want the work.

>
> We are?currently finishing up another catalog (document) and have sent sample
> pages to the graphics house. The response?is that?the FM sample?pages?have
> "RGB channels" and are not suitable for offset printing.

As above. But there is no such thing as an "RGB channel". RGB is three
channels, one for Red, one for Green, and one for Blue. An application may
handle the three of them together for the sake of expediency.

> The graphics house
> has now recommended that we use PhotoShop to set up?a gray-scale channel for
> the spot color and?import?the gray-scale document into FM.?

If you are talking about an image that is in greyscale and if people are
getting toey about it then save it as an eps or pdf and use that with the spot
colour defined. When it is separated that spot colour will be retained as a
separated plate.

> My questions are these:
> - Is there a workaround, plug-in, or something that will enable me to get rid
> of the "RGB channels" and still allow me to use the spot color in Frame?

As above. Prepress software is has been capable of converting RGB to spot or
CMYK values for at least 10 years. This is not new technology. It is not
something you need to do, it is handled by the prepress operator.

> -?Would FM9 or the?new FM Graphics Suite?solve the RGB/spot color problem?
>

The word on the street is that it does, but only if you export to or save as
pdf. Not if you print. Others will correct me if I am wrong.

Alan

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AlphaByte
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Outline

[Hedley Finger]

Scott, Gary:

> What you are referring to
> doing, Hedley, is operating in a structured environment.

You have misrepresented what I actually said.

I have used the DITA XML schema and the DITA-FMx plug-in for FrameMaker 
to develop structured documentation.  But it is certainly a far from 
trivial exercise to set up the structapp.fm file with all the formatting 
rules to get your preferred look and feel.  You would only take on this 
level of setting-up overhead if you could amortise the time/cost over a 
significant number of titles.

I do not think Donald was looking to get into structured documentation 
just yet.  He probably has a virtual structure where, in his mind and in 
his files, Heading 1 /is/ at a higher level than Heading 2.  For those 
who want some of the benefits of structure in unstructured documents 
without the hassle, I highly recommend Enhance for FrameMaker from 
Sandybrook Software.  You can configure it so that Heading 1 is indeed 
higher than Heading 2, so that when you collapse the Heading 1 block, 
any contained  Heading 2 subblocks are suppressed but revealed when 
Heading 1 is expanded again.

Enhance works pretty much like the structured view in Word and you can 
perform all the same operations in Enhance that you can in Word, 
including outlining when you are developing the structure initially.

So for Donald, Enhance is the way to go.

A structured document, preferable saved to XML and opened directly from 
XML (*.fm files are not used at all) has many advantages: you can use 
all the XML tools on the saved files but work in a friendly WYSIWYG 
environment.

Regards,
Hedley

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Frame 9: improved CMYK

[Reng, Winfried]

Hi,

Here is another post from Arnis Gubins from the Adobe FrameMaker
forum:

... After extensive testing with his files and others, using
imported PDFs with the new CMYK SaveAsPDF is broken from the get go.

When using imported PDFs in FM, the CMYK SaveAsPDF option renders
these imported PDFs as low-res RGB TIFFs on output. Yuck! A major
foobar in the latest point version of this release.

HOWEVER, using EPS files works just fine! So converting the PDFs to
EPS before import is a workaround for now.

---

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Art Campbell
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:04 PM
> To: Mike H
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Frame 9: improved CMYK
> 
> Mike,
> There are a couple of threads about CMYK support on the Adobe 
> User Forum for
> Frame.
> According to one of the moderators there (Arnis, who I'm not 
> sure is on this
> list), who has played with this a bit:
> 
> "Yes, CMYK (and spot colours too) works when doing the Save As PDF
> (Adobe somehow manages to slip in a different postscript header that
> isn't available when you manually print to the Adobe PDF printer
> instance). The Save As PDF works very well when everything is
> configured correctly."
> 
> So the trick seems to be electing the SaveAs option rather 
> than Printing,
> which is the default for many of us.
> I would have done it the other way around, but ...
> 
> Cheers,
> Art
> 
> Art Campbell
>  art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a 
> '52 Vincent and a
> redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No 
> disclaimers apply.
>   DoD 358
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Mike H  wrote:
> 
> > Hmm -
> > what does the 'improved CMYK support' in Frame 9 entail? MY CMYK
> > colour definitions (Pantone Process) still get converted to RGB if I
> > set the joboptions to, 'leave colour as is.' - And I just 
> note that p.
> > 446 of the manual still says that the default is CMYK -> RGB
> > conversion. However, the next paragraph tells me: "if you deselect
> > this option [which one?] Framemaker preserves CMYK 
> colours." What am I
> > missing, what option can I deselect to preserve my CMYK 
> views (I only
> > import *.eps, so that's not the issue.)?
> >
> > I know that in the pdf joboptions I can turn on, "convert 
> all colours
> > to cmyk", but that gives me CMYK (colour 'view') -> RGB -> CMYK, and
> > my Pantone percentages get all mixed up in the process. How do I
> > preserve my CMYK colour definitions without going through RGB?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mike
> >
> > -
> > Michael Heine
> > London, ON
> > Canada

Footnotes and paragraph formatting

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

You can manage that too by setting the size and offset by
experimenting with the size and offset percentage in Format > Document
> Text Options dialog box. Try changing the size of Superscript to 70%
and the offset to something that will not change the line height. Just
remember that this will affect the whole document for everything that
is in Superscript.

Bodvar

2009/1/27 Callie Bertsche :
> Thanks Art and others who replied! Such a great solution. It does drive
> my page count up (I wish there was also a way to make the footnote
> number itself not as "super" of a superscript in line with the text),
> but definitely a relief to easily fix the problem! How could I have
> missed that little checkbox.
>
> Callie
>
>
> 
>
>From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:39 AM
>To: Callie Bertsche
>Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: Re: Footnotes and paragraph formatting
>
>
>In the paragraph format, check the Fixed Space checkbox. That
> turns off the extra space used by the superscript characters.
>
>Art
>
>Art Campbell
> art.campbell at gmail.com
> "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> No
> disclaimers apply.
>
> DoD 358
>
>
>
>On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Callie Bertsche
>  wrote:
>
>
>Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM
> document without
>disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a
> footnote, it increases
>the line spacing just for the line that includes the
> footnote reference
>number. It's driving one of my product owners crazy, so
> I'm looking for
>a solution. We noticed that in Word 2007, this problem
> is solved by
>having a little larger default line spacing, into which
> a footnote ref
>number comfortably fits. I tried increasing the line
> spacing of the
>paragraph in FM, though, and it hasn't helped. I've also
> tried adjusting
>the footnote settings in Format > Document > Footnote
> properties, but
>the only thing I can do there to help is adjust the
> position to
>Superscript, Baseline, or Subscript, and although
> Baseline results in no
>line spacing change, the number no longer looks like a
> footnote.
>
>I'm grateful for any suggestions! If you reply to me
> directly I'll
>receive it the fastest, since I have Framers set on
> Digest mode.
>Thanks!
>
>Callie Bertsche
>Technical Writer
>
>Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View
>
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 -- Edsel Murphy, dec.

Still no Hebrew/Arabic?

[Shlomo Perets]

Richard,

You wrote:

>I'm pretty certain FM9 still doesn't support right-to-left languages,
>but before giving someone a definitive answer, I thought I'd
>double-check with the list.

That's correct -- no news with respect to right-to-left languages in FM9.

With all versions of FrameMaker/Windows, you can add some isolated strings 
in Hebrew/Arabic (but without correlation between cursor location/selected 
text and the "real" insertion point).

>I know this is a frequently-requested feature, and now that the code
>base has been rewritten and Unicode is supported, it should be possible
>-- albeit still difficult -- to implement it. Anyone have any special
>insight (or well-grounded speculation) on when or if this might happen?

My speculation is that support for right-to-left languages does not seem 
likely, despite the implementation of Unicode in FM.


Shlomo Perets

MicroType * FrameMaker training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
TimeSavers

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Hypertext Links to Excel Worksheets?

[Ted Poulos]

Does anyone know if it is possible, and, if so, the correct syntax for a 
hypertext link from a FrameMaker doc to an Excel worksheet?
Message openfile  successfully opens the Excel workbook, but I 
want to designate a specific tab (worksheet) in the workbook as my destination.

Thanks,

Ted Poulos

Hypertext Links to Excel Worksheets?

[David Spreadbury]

Ted,
I don't know if this will help, but the Excel2007 Help provides the
following information on linking to a specific sheet within a workbook:

Note   You may find it more convenient to create an external reference link
without opening the workbook on the Web. For each cell in the destination
workbook where you want the external reference link, click the cell, and
then type an equal sign (=), the URL (Uniform Resource Locator (URL): An
address that specifies a protocol (such as HTTP or FTP) and a location of an
object, document, World Wide Web page, or other destination on the Internet
or an intranet, for example: http://www.microsoft.com/.) address, and the
location in the workbook. For example: 

='http://www.someones.homepage/[file.xls]Sheet1'!A1

Note that the link has a keyword 'Sheetx'. I would think that Frame could
use this syntax in openfile .

Maybe something like:

Message openfile \workbooks\myworkbook.xlsSheetx!A1

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ted Poulos
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:03 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Hypertext Links to Excel Worksheets?

Does anyone know if it is possible, and, if so, the correct syntax for a 
hypertext link from a FrameMaker doc to an Excel worksheet?
Message openfile  successfully opens the Excel workbook, but I 
want to designate a specific tab (worksheet) in the workbook as my
destination.

Thanks,

Ted Poulos

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Footnotes and paragraph formatting

[Callie Bertsche]

Thank you! Awesome! My document looks so much better between these two
solutions.

> -Original Message-
> From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bodvar at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:19 AM
> To: Callie Bertsche
> Cc: Art Campbell; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Footnotes and paragraph formatting
> 
> You can manage that too by setting the size and offset by 
> experimenting with the size and offset percentage in Format > Document
> > Text Options dialog box. Try changing the size of Superscript to 70%
> and the offset to something that will not change the line 
> height. Just remember that this will affect the whole 
> document for everything that is in Superscript.
> 
> Bodvar
> 
> 2009/1/27 Callie Bertsche :
> > Thanks Art and others who replied! Such a great solution. It does 
> > drive my page count up (I wish there was also a way to make the 
> > footnote number itself not as "super" of a superscript in line with 
> > the text), but definitely a relief to easily fix the problem! How 
> > could I have missed that little checkbox.
> >
> > Callie
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:39 AM
> >To: Callie Bertsche
> >Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> >Subject: Re: Footnotes and paragraph formatting
> >
> >
> >In the paragraph format, check the Fixed Space 
> checkbox. That 
> > turns off the extra space used by the superscript characters.
> >
> >Art
> >
> >Art Campbell
> > art.campbell at gmail.com
> > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world 
> beats a '52 
> > Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> > No 
> > disclaimers apply.
> >
> > DoD 358
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Callie Bertsche 
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> >Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM 
> > document without
> >disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a 
> > footnote, it increases
> >the line spacing just for the line that includes the 
> > footnote reference
> >number. It's driving one of my product 
> owners crazy, so 
> > I'm looking for
> >a solution. We noticed that in Word 2007, 
> this problem 
> > is solved by
> >having a little larger default line spacing, 
> into which 
> > a footnote ref
> >number comfortably fits. I tried increasing the line 
> > spacing of the
> >paragraph in FM, though, and it hasn't helped. I've 
> > also tried adjusting
> >the footnote settings in Format > Document > 
> Footnote 
> > properties, but
> >the only thing I can do there to help is adjust the 
> > position to
> >Superscript, Baseline, or Subscript, and although 
> > Baseline results in no
> >line spacing change, the number no longer 
> looks like a 
> > footnote.
> >
> >I'm grateful for any suggestions! If you reply to me 
> > directly I'll
> >receive it the fastest, since I have Framers set on 
> > Digest mode.
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Callie Bertsche
> >Technical Writer
> >
> >Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View
> >
> >
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wrestling with referenced graphics pointers

[Ben Hechter]

Hi,

Wondering if folks have thoughts on how adding the date to a document directory 
name each time a draft is archived could impact the pathname of the referenced 
graphics.

Seems like I've had some cases where the referenced graphics pointers get lost 
because the folder name has changed, and other cases where the referenced 
graphics pointers remain accurate, or am I imagining this?

For project reasons, the archived copy needs to open without errors, so 
re-homing the graphics directory after the fact is not an option.

Thanks for any wisdom from the collective guru!

Ben

Ben Hechter 
bhechter at objectives.ca
www.semitake.com

wrestling with referenced graphics pointers

[David Spreadbury]

Ben,
If you change the directory name you have changed the relative path to the
graphics.

The path must stay the same, relative to the source files.

One solution would be to store the graphics in the same tree as the source
files, i.e.,

BookFolder
--|SourceFiles
--|Graphics

Then when the source files look for the graphics, they are at the same
relative level but in a different folder. When you archive, change the date
of the BookFolder, not the SourceFile or Graphics folders.


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ben Hechter
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:54 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: wrestling with referenced graphics pointers

Hi,

Wondering if folks have thoughts on how adding the date to a document
directory name each time a draft is archived could impact the pathname of
the referenced graphics.

Seems like I've had some cases where the referenced graphics pointers get
lost because the folder name has changed, and other cases where the
referenced graphics pointers remain accurate, or am I imagining this?

For project reasons, the archived copy needs to open without errors, so
re-homing the graphics directory after the fact is not an option.

Thanks for any wisdom from the collective guru!

Ben

Ben Hechter 
bhechter at objectives.ca
www.semitake.com
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wrestling with referenced graphics pointers

[Art Campbell]

If you make an entire copy of the project at the same directory level, you
should be OK because that doesn't change the relative paths.

 Base Directory
Dec.Jan.   Feb.

So making a March copy at this level would work, because you're rolling the
directory forward in relation to the base directory.

But going from
Base Directory
Dec.Jan.   Feb.

to
   Base DirectoryBackup
Directory
 Feb.
Dec.Jan.

will break things.

Best/easiest solution is to use Bruce Foster's Archive plug-in to create
entire self-contained archives of each book. You can move those folders
anywhere because the links have been modified to work in the Archive folder.


Art Campbell
 art.campbell at gmail.com
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redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358


On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Ben Hechter  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Wondering if folks have thoughts on how adding the date to a document
> directory name each time a draft is archived could impact the pathname of
> the referenced graphics.
>
> Seems like I've had some cases where the referenced graphics pointers get
> lost because the folder name has changed, and other cases where the
> referenced graphics pointers remain accurate, or am I imagining this?
>
> For project reasons, the archived copy needs to open without errors, so
> re-homing the graphics directory after the fact is not an option.
>
> Thanks for any wisdom from the collective guru!
>
> Ben
>
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> bhechter at objectives.ca
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FM 9.0 Download Problem

[Owen, Clint]

After much frustration and non-helpful help on Adobe's website I was
finally able to download the FM 9.0 trial last night.

The key turned out to be turning off the pop-up blocker in IE, which
then allowed the Akami Download Manager to be installed as an Active-X
control.

The download help page mentions that the download manager is needed "for
large downloads," so I assumed that was the problem. But none of the
information about the download manager actually tells you how to get it.
Everything I read made it sound like something you needed to download
and install separately, so I spent a lot of fruitless time looking for a
link to download the download manager! 

I finally realized that IE was blocking something whenever I started the
download, and was able to figure it out. The whole process is not very
intuitive and not explained very well.

Thanks to Jack Deland for also providing a clue about the download
manager.

Clint


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Footnotes and paragraph formatting

[Dosick, Daniel (GE EntSol, Security)]

Callie--

Go to Format > Document > Text Options. There, you can adjust
superscript (as well as subscript) height and size.

--Dan

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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:53:49 -0800
From: "Callie Bertsche" 
Subject: RE: Footnotes and paragraph formatting
To: "Art Campbell" 
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

Thanks Art and others who replied! Such a great solution. It does drive
my page count up (I wish there was also a way to make the footnote
number itself not as "super" of a superscript in line with the text),
but definitely a relief to easily fix the problem! How could I have
missed that little checkbox.

Callie

Extra space after text insets

[Shrobona Choudhuri]

Hi Stuart,

Thanks for your response!

-Shrobona

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 2:28 AM
To: Shrobona Choudhuri
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Extra space after text insets

Shrobona Choudhuri wrote:
> Hi!
> 
>  
> 
> While I am importing the text insets from a source file, an extra
blank
> line is automatically added after the content of the text inset. It
> seems a minor problem, but I really don't want that extra space! I
have
> to go to the container document each time to remove this extra space.
> How do I get rid of this problem?
> 

I'm not sure why your message from the 21st has only appeared in my 
inbox today (26th), but I don't see any replies, so here's one for you: 
  before you import the text inset, put a space (or better, a 
ctrl-space, so you'll see the text symbol) in the container pgf.  Then 
move your cursor in front of the ctrl-space and import the inset.



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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
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FM9 show stoppers - some problems solved!

[Klaus Daube]

Dear all - especially Adobe

At first I must apologise for my harsh reaction on this issue. I seem 
to
have a really crazy installion:

While this was a real pain in the back when I was testing on friday
(2009-01-23) and again on saturday on my laptop, the problem seems to 
have
gone! 
Now (2009-01-29) display of typed characters is as fast as I type (but 
it feels not as smooth as in other applications, including FM8).
Even the backspacing behaves and also the selection with the arrow 
keys. I have no idea, what the reason was. But I know that it happened 
only in FM-9 because at the same time I had FM-8 also open and there 
the effect did not appear. It also did not appear in the browser where 
I entered my forum text.  

On friday/saturday I did my tests with a document with many missing 
files
(pictures). Today  I repeated the tests: 
Document with missing files
- standard open with prompt for the missing files => OK 
- opening silently => OK 
- opening heroically => OK 
Today I also tested with a new file (3 pages of text, some anchored 
frames) => OK
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Looking for software to convert Framemaker 7 sources to clean HTML (for HTML Help) supporting multiple languages

[Celine Deguire]

Hello Framers

I am looking for a software to convert Framemaker 7.2 documentation sources
to clean HTML (for HTML Help). I have been reviewing Mif2Go and was
convinced it was the good option until I just read in the product
documentation "Mif2Go does not currently support Japanese". I need this
product to work with multiple international languages including German,
Japanese, Russian, and Chinese as well as many others.

Regards

Celine

VISIO, WMF, and PNG

[Joseph]

Several of the documents I work on use Visio drawings. I save the Visio
drawings as PNGs and then import the PNGs into FrameMaker. When I print the
frame book as a PDF, the PNG looks horribly pixellated.

On the other hand, when I save the Visio drawing as a WMF and use that WMF
in FrameMaker, there is almost no pixellation when I print to PDF.

I am not sure what the problem is here. I would much rather use PNGs, but
not if they are so pixellated they are almost impossible to view in a PDF.
Is it how Visio saves PNGs, or  my settings (e.g. screen res, settings in
viso for saving the graphic), or how FrameMaker is processing the PNG when
printing to PDF?

If there is anyone who successfully exports Visio drawings to PNG and then
imports them into FrameMaker, what settings do you use for your computer, in
Visio, and in Frame?

-- 
Sincerely,

Joseph Lorenzini

Outline

[VLM TechSubs]

Hi Terry,

Two questions about Enhance, since you have experience with it: 

1. Can one assign any paratags to any outline level? (Not bound to Heading1,
etc.)

2. Can one assign more than one paratag to a given outline level? For
example, can one assign H3 and H3 Close to the same outline level?

Thank you kindly,
Elchanan

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Terry Smith
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:34 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Outline

Don Spencer wrote:
> Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something 
> akin to Outline View? Would be nice.

Yes! Enhance gives you an outline view of your FrameMaker document. It's
wonderful for reorganizing large documents. In fact, I'd recommend the
product just to help you navigate within a document. Here's the URL:
http://www.sandybrook.com/

---
Terry Smith, Technical Consultant
Scriptorium Publishing
www.scriptorium.comfo.

FM 9.0 Download Problem

[Pinkham, Jim]

Second that! I had a similar experience yesterday. Although I saw the
light fairly quickly, it was more luck than intent. This aspect of the
FM 9 download was not particularly obvious or intuitive. Nor was the
fact that TCS 2 apparently really can't be downloaded en toto, but only
ordered on DVD. Yes, the download link takes one to the DVD order form,
but the front-end page(s) should clarify that the whole suite cannot be
downloaded at once at this time. 

Jim

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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:44 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM 9.0 Download Problem

After much frustration and non-helpful help on Adobe's website I was
finally able to download the FM 9.0 trial last night.

The key turned out to be turning off the pop-up blocker in IE, which
then allowed the Akami Download Manager to be installed as an Active-X
control.

The download help page mentions that the download manager is needed "for
large downloads," so I assumed that was the problem. But none of the
information about the download manager actually tells you how to get it.
Everything I read made it sound like something you needed to download
and install separately, so I spent a lot of fruitless time looking for a
link to download the download manager! 

I finally realized that IE was blocking something whenever I started the
download, and was able to figure it out. The whole process is not very
intuitive and not explained very well.

Thanks to Jack Deland for also providing a clue about the download
manager.

Clint


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Still no Hebrew/Arabic?

[Dov Isaacs]

FWIW, FrameMaker's code base was not "rewritten" but rather, modified to
support Unicode.

Unicode support does not necessarily include support for "input methods"
for all writing systems. FrameMaker doesn't have input methods for either
Hebrew or Arabic, which by the way although both are right-to-left languages
each have to have their own input method when considering issues associated
with ligatures, vowels, etc.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Shlomo Perets
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:01 AM
> 
> Richard,
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> >I'm pretty certain FM9 still doesn't support right-to-left languages,
> >but before giving someone a definitive answer, I thought I'd
> >double-check with the list.
> 
> That's correct -- no news with respect to right-to-left languages in FM9.
> 
> With all versions of FrameMaker/Windows, you can add some isolated strings
> in Hebrew/Arabic (but without correlation between cursor location/selected
> text and the "real" insertion point).
> 
> >I know this is a frequently-requested feature, and now that the code
> >base has been rewritten and Unicode is supported, it should be possible
> >-- albeit still difficult -- to implement it. Anyone have any special
> >insight (or well-grounded speculation) on when or if this might happen?
> 
> My speculation is that support for right-to-left languages does not seem
> likely, despite the implementation of Unicode in FM.
> 
> 
> Shlomo Perets

VISIO, WMF, and PNG

[Art Campbell]

In Visio 2007, you get a dialog box when you SaveAs PNG.
I set the resolution to 240 or so -- the pixilation is likely to show up if
you accept the default setting of Screen.

In any case, try boosting the resolution.

AND... does anything else look poor in the PDF? If so, you may want to look
at your job options for compressing graphics and dial them down.

Art Campbell
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redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358


On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Joseph  wrote:

> Several of the documents I work on use Visio drawings. I save the Visio
> drawings as PNGs and then import the PNGs into FrameMaker. When I print the
> frame book as a PDF, the PNG looks horribly pixellated.
>
> On the other hand, when I save the Visio drawing as a WMF and use that WMF
> in FrameMaker, there is almost no pixellation when I print to PDF.
>
> I am not sure what the problem is here. I would much rather use PNGs, but
> not if they are so pixellated they are almost impossible to view in a PDF.
> Is it how Visio saves PNGs, or  my settings (e.g. screen res, settings in
> viso for saving the graphic), or how FrameMaker is processing the PNG when
> printing to PDF?
>
> If there is anyone who successfully exports Visio drawings to PNG and then
> imports them into FrameMaker, what settings do you use for your computer,
> in
> Visio, and in Frame?
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Joseph Lorenzini
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VISIO, WMF, and PNG

[Dov Isaacs]

WMF is a vector format based on Windows GDI. That's why it looks smooth and
is certainly preferable to PNG which is raster and for print purposes, unless
you go to 600dpi or more for Visio vector style drawing, PNG will look cruddy!

Be careful with WMF, though! Sometimes text doesn't make it "through" WMF
successfully and Visio's WMF export is not stellar by any means.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Joseph
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:09 AM
> 
> Several of the documents I work on use Visio drawings. I save the Visio
> drawings as PNGs and then import the PNGs into FrameMaker. When I print the
> frame book as a PDF, the PNG looks horribly pixellated.
> 
> On the other hand, when I save the Visio drawing as a WMF and use that WMF
> in FrameMaker, there is almost no pixellation when I print to PDF.
> 
> I am not sure what the problem is here. I would much rather use PNGs, but
> not if they are so pixellated they are almost impossible to view in a PDF.
> Is it how Visio saves PNGs, or  my settings (e.g. screen res, settings in
> viso for saving the graphic), or how FrameMaker is processing the PNG when
> printing to PDF?
> 
> If there is anyone who successfully exports Visio drawings to PNG and then
> imports them into FrameMaker, what settings do you use for your computer, in
> Visio, and in Frame?
> 
> --
> Sincerely,
> 
> Joseph Lorenzini

non-Adobe *.pdf

[Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC]

Hello FrameManiacs,

Would anyone who is generating *.pdf files outside of the Adobe Acrobat
world please share what application you use and and pros-n-cons

Looking for software to convert Framemaker 7 sources to clean HTML (for HTML Help) supporting multiple languages

[Art Campbell]

You may want to double-check this with Jeremy at omsys. (support at omsys.com)
Did it blow up when you tested it with Japanese characters?

Omsys makes a point on their site of saying that they "fully support" FM...
which to me would mean supporting any languages that FM supports too. It's
possible that they haven't revved their doc but the code actually works.

Cheers,
Art

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redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Celine Deguire wrote:

> Hello Framers
>
> I am looking for a software to convert Framemaker 7.2 documentation sources
> to clean HTML (for HTML Help). I have been reviewing Mif2Go and was
> convinced it was the good option until I just read in the product
> documentation "Mif2Go does not currently support Japanese". I need this
> product to work with multiple international languages including German,
> Japanese, Russian, and Chinese as well as many others.
>
> Regards
>
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Outline

[qui...@airmail.net]

I would categorize this a perceived gains, capabilities, and costs. 
One very big gain and capability that structured documents give you 
is the ability to require only certain structures to fit after other 
structures.

I can't comment on the capability of Enhance to require a  specific 
structure must exist following any other element, or that they may be 
optional, or that they are forbidden. XML will do that under 
FrameMaker, as well as allow you to collapse the structure as you 
describe.

Again, it is about perceived gains, capabilities, and costs. If the 
costs outweigh the gains and capabilities, then you go another route.

Scott

At 12:05 PM +1100 1/28/09, Hedley Finger wrote:
>Scott, Gary:
>
>>  What you are referring to
>>  doing, Hedley, is operating in a structured environment.
>
>You have misrepresented what I actually said.
>
>I have used the DITA XML schema and the DITA-FMx plug-in for FrameMaker
>to develop structured documentation.  But it is certainly a far from
>trivial exercise to set up the structapp.fm file with all the formatting
>rules to get your preferred look and feel.  You would only take on this
>level of setting-up overhead if you could amortise the time/cost over a
>significant number of titles.
>
>I do not think Donald was looking to get into structured documentation
>just yet.  He probably has a virtual structure where, in his mind and in
>his files, Heading 1 /is/ at a higher level than Heading 2.  For those
>who want some of the benefits of structure in unstructured documents
>without the hassle, I highly recommend Enhance for FrameMaker from
>Sandybrook Software.  You can configure it so that Heading 1 is indeed
>higher than Heading 2, so that when you collapse the Heading 1 block,
>any contained  Heading 2 subblocks are suppressed but revealed when
>Heading 1 is expanded again.
>
>Enhance works pretty much like the structured view in Word and you can
>perform all the same operations in Enhance that you can in Word,
>including outlining when you are developing the structure initially.
>
>So for Donald, Enhance is the way to go.
>
>A structured document, preferable saved to XML and opened directly from
>XML (*.fm files are not used at all) has many advantages: you can use
>all the XML tools on the saved files but work in a friendly WYSIWYG
>environment.
>
>Regards,
>Hedley
>
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Frame 9: improved CMYK

[Art Campbell]

To put this on context...

In 9, using SaveAs to create a PDF with CMYK works, EXCEPT when the FM file
contains embedded PDFs -- in effect, nesting the PDFs.

So it's partially whacked, but if you don't nest PDFs as imported graphics
in FM, it works.

Art

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On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Reng, Winfried  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Here is another post from Arnis Gubins from the Adobe FrameMaker
> forum:
>
> ... After extensive testing with his files and others, using
> imported PDFs with the new CMYK SaveAsPDF is broken from the get go.
>
> When using imported PDFs in FM, the CMYK SaveAsPDF option renders
> these imported PDFs as low-res RGB TIFFs on output. Yuck! A major
> foobar in the latest point version of this release.
>
> HOWEVER, using EPS files works just fine! So converting the PDFs to
> EPS before import is a workaround for now.
>
> ---
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> > Art Campbell
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:04 PM
> > To: Mike H
> > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: Frame 9: improved CMYK
> >
> > Mike,
> > There are a couple of threads about CMYK support on the Adobe
> > User Forum for
> > Frame.
> > According to one of the moderators there (Arnis, who I'm not
> > sure is on this
> > list), who has played with this a bit:
> >
> > "Yes, CMYK (and spot colours too) works when doing the Save As PDF
> > (Adobe somehow manages to slip in a different postscript header that
> > isn't available when you manually print to the Adobe PDF printer
> > instance). The Save As PDF works very well when everything is
> > configured correctly."
> >
> > So the trick seems to be electing the SaveAs option rather
> > than Printing,
> > which is the default for many of us.
> > I would have done it the other way around, but ...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Art
> >
> > Art Campbell
> >  art.campbell at gmail.com
> >  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a
> > '52 Vincent and a
> > redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> >  No
> > disclaimers apply.
> >   DoD 358
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Mike H  wrote:
> >
> > > Hmm -
> > > what does the 'improved CMYK support' in Frame 9 entail? MY CMYK
> > > colour definitions (Pantone Process) still get converted to RGB if I
> > > set the joboptions to, 'leave colour as is.' - And I just
> > note that p.
> > > 446 of the manual still says that the default is CMYK -> RGB
> > > conversion. However, the next paragraph tells me: "if you deselect
> > > this option [which one?] Framemaker preserves CMYK
> > colours." What am I
> > > missing, what option can I deselect to preserve my CMYK
> > views (I only
> > > import *.eps, so that's not the issue.)?
> > >
> > > I know that in the pdf joboptions I can turn on, "convert
> > all colours
> > > to cmyk", but that gives me CMYK (colour 'view') -> RGB -> CMYK, and
> > > my Pantone percentages get all mixed up in the process. How do I
> > > preserve my CMYK colour definitions without going through RGB?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > -
> > > Michael Heine
> > > London, ON
> > > Canada
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Outline

[Peter Gold]

Here's a method that nobody's mentioned yet. It's not complete or
perfect, but it may be useful:

* Create a TOC that extracts all the heading paragraph formats that
you want in an outline. Be sure to check Make Hypertext Links. The TOC
can be for a single document or a book.

* Modify the *TOC paragraph formats to indent the way you want.

* Format the TOC page to a narrow column, and a height that's readable
when zoomed to full-height on your screen.

* Set the zoom to Fit Page to Text Frame.

* Arrange your screen with the narrow outline frame next to the
document page frame.

* Use Frame's Ctrl+Alt+Click on a heading in the TOC to move the
insertion point to that heading, so you can edit at that location.

* Regenerate the TOC

NOTES:

- To make the links in the TOC active with a single click, instead of
with Ctrl+Alt+Click: tap Escape, tap Shift+F, tap k. The same sequence
restores editabiity.

- To reuse the outline TOC, save it to a new name. This is handy if
you've moved stuff and then need to restore the original order.

- Save the "real" TOC with a new name, and save a copy of the narrow
outline TOC to a new name. When you want to generate the real TOC,
close the outline TOC and delete or rename it, then open the real TOC,
save it to the correct name, and generate.

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Still no Hebrew/Arabic?

[tom.k...@kodak.com]

Hello Richard and List-

Entering text in a right-to-left language is not a function of FrameMaker, 
but of Windows. Most settings for the language are made in 

Start > Control Panel > Regional and Language Options
1. Set all numeric, date, time, and language settings for the region (note 
almost all Arabic-speaking countries have different settings available).
2. Under the Languages tab, select "Install files for complex script and 
right-to-left languages".
3. If you have non-US keyboards or other text entry devices, select 
Details (still under the Languages tab) and add the services installed on 
your computer. *
4. If your text does not use Unicode, under the Advanced tab, select the 
code page conversion tables.

* Note it is possible to use a US keyboard, although you need to learn the 
keyboard layout that will usurp the US layout when you have the 
right-to-left language invoked.

Now in FrameMaker or any other software, set the Format > Font and/or 
Paragraph Designer > Default Font for displaying the right-to-left 
language in the Paragraph Styles for the language.

By displaying Windows Language bar, you can easily switch from one 
language format or keyboard layout to another. 

Caveats:
!I've experienced some bugs in the Language bar or multiple 
availability of keyboard layouts, where the keyboard layout occasionally 
switches without warning--though this may be from use of some function-key 
usages.
!Microsoft has incompletely supported Farsi, though they claim that 
their support is fully implemented. Two important letters are 
inaccessible. The same may be true for Hebrew and some Indic languages. It 
appears that more "purely" Arabic languages are fully supported.
!I haven't experimented with using Unicode for text entry.

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VISIO, WMF, and PNG

[Combs, Richard]

Alan Litchfield wrote: 

> Just to summarise what has been said on the list over the last couple
of
> weeks.
> 
> 1. Visio uses an internal file format and is not a graphics format, as
such
> 2. Visio native files are best not used in FM
> 3. The Visio files then need to be exported in some suitable format.
> 
> Now, relating to your specific enquiry:
> 
> 4. The standard output formats that Visio uses are problematic for a
number
> of
> reasons:
> 4a. PNG is a raster image format, meaning that it uses pixels to
create an
> image and is therefore going to print as a pixellated image. It was
only
> ever
> intended that this image format was to be used onscreen, not for print
> purposes. So onscreen it will probably look ok but printed, pretty bad
(and
> sure, someone will chime in and say "hey mine are ok" which won't help
> you);
> 4b. WMF supports both raster and vector based art but the format is
not
> well
> documented and specific files, for example from Visio, may have
inclusions
> that create problems when the file is printed. For example, stray
lines
> appearing between vectors, or fonts that are not correctly specified
in the
> WMF file and display incorrectly when printed. In general, and
depending on
> your situation, WMF is ok. However it is not guaranteable that WMF
will
> always
> work.
> 5. So, what has been suggested on this list, and is an approach I use,
is
> to
> print your Visio file to PDF and import that into FM.
> 
> Therefore, I would say not to use PNG. Instead use PDF.

What he said! 

Joseph, I strongly recommend learning about the differences between
raster (or bitmap) graphics and scalable vector graphics, and which file
formats are which. Don't convert the latter into the former if it's at
all avoidable. 

Assuming you have an Adobe PDF printer instance (i.e., you have
Distiller or the full version of Acrobat) installed on your system, it's
always avoidable by printing the vector graphic to PDF, which imports
nicely into FM. WRT Visio, this a much better solution than using its
less-than-optimal export filters to save as WMF or EPS.

Richard


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VISIO, WMF, and PNG

[Lea Rush]

Please see below:

> -Original Message-
> 
> Alan Litchfield wrote:
> 



> > 5. So, what has been suggested on this list, and is an approach I use,
is
> > to print your Visio file to PDF and import that into FM.
> >
> > Therefore, I would say not to use PNG. Instead use PDF.
> 
> What he said!



> Assuming you have an Adobe PDF printer instance (i.e., you have
> Distiller or the full version of Acrobat) installed on your system, it's
> always avoidable by printing the vector graphic to PDF, which imports
> nicely into FM. WRT Visio, this a much better solution than using its
> less-than-optimal export filters to save as WMF or EPS.
> 
> Richard

Is there a way to reconcile this advice with what Art just posted?

> In 9, using SaveAs to create a PDF with CMYK works, EXCEPT when the FM
file  
> contains embedded PDFs -- in effect, nesting the PDFs.
>
> So it's partially whacked, but if you don't nest PDFs as imported graphics
in FM, it 
> works.

Hoping for a solution,
Lea

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Outline

[Combs, Richard]

VLM TechSubs wrote:

> Hi Terry,
> 
> Two questions about Enhance, since you have experience with it:
> 
> 1. Can one assign any paratags to any outline level? (Not bound to
> Heading1,
> etc.)
> 
> 2. Can one assign more than one paratag to a given outline level? For
> example, can one assign H3 and H3 Close to the same outline level?

I can answer those for you. 

1. Yes. In the Select Outline Formats dialog, you can select any pgf
format and move it to the Outline Formats list. The order of the formats
in that list (which you can reorder) determines the outline levels of
those pgf formats. You're limited to ten levels (which is more than
enough for any sanely organized manual, IMHO). 

2. Yes. In the same dialog box, you can select additional pgf formats
and assign them to an outline level by clicking Set Secondary Level. For
instance, after setting up your primary outline levels with H3 in the
third position, you'd select H3 Close, click Set Secondary Level, select
3, and click OK. 

AFAIK, there's no limit to the number of pgf formats that can be
assigned to the same secondary outline level, so if you have additional
pgf formats that are third-level headings, you can set their secondary
level to 3 as well.

The secondary level pgfs act just like the primary outline level pgfs,
except that when you promote a secondary level pgf, it becomes the
corresponding primary level pgf, so you have to promote it twice to
actually move it up a level in the hierarchy. 

HTH!
Richard


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Looking for software to convert Framemaker 7 sources to clean HTML (for HTML Help) supporting multiple languages

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:34:07 -0500, Celine Deguire  
wrote:

>I am looking for a software to convert Framemaker 7.2 documentation sources
>to clean HTML (for HTML Help). I have been reviewing Mif2Go and was
>convinced it was the good option until I just read in the product
>documentation "Mif2Go does not currently support Japanese". I need this
>product to work with multiple international languages including German,
>Japanese, Russian, and Chinese as well as many others.

The "currently" would have been for versions before Frame 8,
which did not use Unicode.  So if you were to upgrade your
Frame 7.2 to 8 (for which sealed-box upgrades should still
be available on eBay), or 9, you would be able to support
Japanese, Korean, and Chinese, including Chinese using ExtB 
(which Frame doesn't display, but which is present).  

We've always supported Russian, Greek, CE, and others, just 
not double-byte (CJK, pre-8) or RTL (Hebrew, Arabic, and 
Farsi, which Frame doesn't support itself either).  We have
as many customers in Europe and the Mideast as in the US.

If you are using Asian languages much, you really should get
at least Frame 8 anyway, since it allows *much* better use
of multiple languages in one document, and supports pretty
much *all* Unicode characters in the BMP (assuming you have 
Unicode fonts that contain them).

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

VISIO, WMF, and PNG

[Combs, Richard]

Alan Litchfield wrote: 

> Yeah. I took a double take on what Art said too.
> 
> So does that mean that Adobe have buggered up the pdf output engine? Or is
> it
> that the nested pdfs already contain RGB colour definitions and those are
> carried through to the final output, in the same way that eps acts as a
> wrapper for the postscript colour definitions in images?

The latter explanation sounds highly likely, but only testing will tell. 

That said, it doesn't affect my use of PDFs from Visio (my deliverables are 
PDFs, not print) -- which is a good thing, because I'll bet dollars to 
doughnuts that PDFs made from Visio are RGB. 

Leah, if you need CMYK PDFs from Visio (or most Windows apps), I suspect the 
solution is the Publi PDF software described yesterday afternoon by Jacob 
Sch?ffer of Grafikhuset (www.grafikhuset.net). 

Richard


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Still no Hebrew/Arabic?

[Ann Zdunczyk]

This is not truly correct. I have been working in languages for over 15
years. I have been doing laying out Arabic and Hebrew for at least 5 now. I
never change the language settings to work in any language. The software,
such as InDesign ME (Middle Eastern Version) is made to work without having
to change you language settings. I work on both Mac and Windows and I stay
in the English language setting.

Z

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Phone: (336)922-1271
Fax:?? (336)922-4980
Cell:? (336)456-4493
Cell 2:(336)655-4783
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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
tom.kohn at kodak.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:30 PM
To: richard.combs at Polycom.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Still no Hebrew/Arabic?

Hello Richard and List-

Entering text in a right-to-left language is not a function of FrameMaker, 
but of Windows. Most settings for the language are made in 

Start > Control Panel > Regional and Language Options
1. Set all numeric, date, time, and language settings for the region (note 
almost all Arabic-speaking countries have different settings available).
2. Under the Languages tab, select "Install files for complex script and 
right-to-left languages".
3. If you have non-US keyboards or other text entry devices, select 
Details (still under the Languages tab) and add the services installed on 
your computer. *
4. If your text does not use Unicode, under the Advanced tab, select the 
code page conversion tables.

* Note it is possible to use a US keyboard, although you need to learn the 
keyboard layout that will usurp the US layout when you have the 
right-to-left language invoked.

Now in FrameMaker or any other software, set the Format > Font and/or 
Paragraph Designer > Default Font for displaying the right-to-left 
language in the Paragraph Styles for the language.

By displaying Windows Language bar, you can easily switch from one 
language format or keyboard layout to another. 

Caveats:
!I've experienced some bugs in the Language bar or multiple 
availability of keyboard layouts, where the keyboard layout occasionally 
switches without warning--though this may be from use of some function-key 
usages.
!Microsoft has incompletely supported Farsi, though they claim that 
their support is fully implemented. Two important letters are 
inaccessible. The same may be true for Hebrew and some Indic languages. It 
appears that more "purely" Arabic languages are fully supported.
!I haven't experimented with using Unicode for text entry.

Thomas G (Tom) Kohn | Technical Editor | GCG WW Versamark Engineering 
Services | 
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tom.kohn at kodak.com | +01 937-259-3210 Office | +01 937-271-1484 Mobile | 
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hypertext marker location in generated index

[Suzanne Bolduc]

hi!

I'm editing a manual in unstructured FM 7.2 and until recently I was
under the impression that someone forgot to set up the index to make
its entries clickable.

however I came to realize that, in the generated TOC, the hypertext
markers are located at the start of each line, and you can click
anywhere on the line to access the related content, whereas, in the
generated index, the markers appear *after* the associated entry, and
the clickable area does exist but it is very small (it is limited to
the exact location of the marker).

e.g. in the TOC:
TFeatures and 
Benefits>..2
vs. in the IX
BenefitsT>.2
(where T is the marker, > stands for a tab)

when there are more pages, there is a marker before each subsequent
page number, but again the clickable area is very limited: only the
space just before the page number is clickable...
e.g.
BenefitsT>.2,T>9,T>101
(this part is more mysterious to me -- I expected that the whole page
number would be clickable since the marker is located *before* the
number.)

Is this normal? Would someone know of a solution? Would using IXGen or
some other indexing tool help?
(I scoured the FM online help to no avail... Google wasn't helpful
either, and neither was Adobe's knowledge base -- I must be missing
something...)

MTIA
Suzanne Bolduc