PDF Job Options - Standard versus High Quality Print
There are definitely differences between Standard and High Quality Print options. For starters, Standard does NOT embed all fonts. If you use Distiller to check the settings of the .joboptions files, you'll see that Standard embeds most fonts, but NOT those that are commonly installed on computers-- such as Arial, Times New Roman, etc. It marks those as NEVER embed. This may or may not cause reformatting of the PDF on the viewing end (due to different font versions on the user's computer) or complete font substitution (due to uninstalled fonts on the user end). If you don't embed all fonts, you take a risk that your document won't look the same on every computer-- which is the purpose of PDF. Standard also downsamples graphics to 150 dpi(ppi), where High Quality Print downsamples to 300 dpi. 300 dpi is usually what you want for printing press. 150 dpi is usually OK for desktop printer-- though many use 300 dpi there, too. 150 dpi is actually higher resolution than necessary for Web viewing-- where 72 or 96 ppi is more common. So it's increasing the image data by up to 4.34x to make an unnecessarily large file for the Web. Still the 150 dpi higher resolution lets a user zoom into a PDF for a better view of a photo. (And 300 ppi would let the user zoom in even more for a clearer image.) So, the option you want to choose depends on the purpose of your output and whether you want users to be able to zoom in for a better view. If the output is going to printing press, you want High Quality Print, but if it's only for screen or desktop printer, Standard may be okay. Or Smallest File Size may be an even better choice for Web display. Mike Wickham On 7/9/2013 1:40 PM, Melissa Clark wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm writing today to query others about the Standard versus High > Quality Print options under the PDF Setup in Adobe FrameMaker and > Distiller. > > The various PDF job options are being evaluated internally. In > particular (and what I'm asking about now), in PDF Setup --> Settings > --> PDF Job Options, some use "Standard," while others use "High > Quality Print" (same setting in Distiller). Based on what I have been > told, there is no reason (benefit) to using High Quality Print (versus > Standard) even in docs that use more screenshots and/or pictures, and > my understanding is that High Quality Print results in a larger file > size. (I have been using High Quality Print for years.) > > My question is whether using Standard (instead of High Quality Print) > results in any detrimental effect. > > For reference, here is some information from Adobe: > > Standard > > . For desktop printers or digital copiers, published on CD or sent to > client as publishing proof . Uses compression/downsampling to reduce > file size . Embeds subsets of fonts, converts colors to sRGB, prints > medium resolution, windows font subsets not embedded by default . > Opened in Acrobat and Reader 6.0 and later High Quality Print . > Quality printing on desktop printers and proofing devices . > Downsamples color and grayscale images to 300ppi and monochrome to > 1200ppi . Embeds subsets of fonts, leaves colors unchanged, does not > flatted transparency . Opened in Acrobat and Reader 5.0 and later > > For what it's worth, I am using Adobe FrameMaker 9 and 10 and Distiller 8. > > Any feedback on what others have found while using High Quality Print > versus Standard would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Melissa Clark > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as info at mikewickham.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40mikewickham.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130709/74665eef/attachment.html>
Re: PDF Job Options - Standard versus High Quality Print
There are definitely differences between Standard and High Quality Print options. For starters, Standard does NOT embed all fonts. If you use Distiller to check the settings of the .joboptions files, you'll see that Standard embeds most fonts, but NOT those that are commonly installed on computers-- such as Arial, Times New Roman, etc. It marks those as NEVER embed. This may or may not cause reformatting of the PDF on the viewing end (due to different font versions on the user's computer) or complete font substitution (due to uninstalled fonts on the user end). If you don't embed all fonts, you take a risk that your document won't look the same on every computer-- which is the purpose of PDF. Standard also downsamples graphics to 150 dpi(ppi), where High Quality Print downsamples to 300 dpi. 300 dpi is usually what you want for printing press. 150 dpi is usually OK for desktop printer-- though many use 300 dpi there, too. 150 dpi is actually higher resolution than necessary for Web viewing-- where 72 or 96 ppi is more common. So it's increasing the image data by up to 4.34x to make an unnecessarily large file for the Web. Still the 150 dpi higher resolution lets a user zoom into a PDF for a better view of a photo. (And 300 ppi would let the user zoom in even more for a clearer image.) So, the option you want to choose depends on the purpose of your output and whether you want users to be able to zoom in for a better view. If the output is going to printing press, you want High Quality Print, but if it's only for screen or desktop printer, Standard may be okay. Or Smallest File Size may be an even better choice for Web display. Mike Wickham On 7/9/2013 1:40 PM, Melissa Clark wrote: Hi, I'm writing today to query others about the Standard versus High Quality Print options under the PDF Setup in Adobe FrameMaker and Distiller. The various PDF job options are being evaluated internally. In particular (and what I'm asking about now), in PDF Setup --> Settings --> PDF Job Options, some use "Standard," while others use "High Quality Print" (same setting in Distiller). Based on what I have been told, there is no reason (benefit) to using High Quality Print (versus Standard) even in docs that use more screenshots and/or pictures, and my understanding is that High Quality Print results in a larger file size. (I have been using High Quality Print for years.) My question is whether using Standard (instead of High Quality Print) results in any detrimental effect. For reference, here is some information from Adobe: Standard . For desktop printers or digital copiers, published on CD or sent to client as publishing proof . Uses compression/downsampling to reduce file size . Embeds subsets of fonts, converts colors to sRGB, prints medium resolution, windows font subsets not embedded by default . Opened in Acrobat and Reader 6.0 and later High Quality Print . Quality printing on desktop printers and proofing devices . Downsamples color and grayscale images to 300ppi and monochrome to 1200ppi . Embeds subsets of fonts, leaves colors unchanged, does not flatted transparency . Opened in Acrobat and Reader 5.0 and later For what it's worth, I am using Adobe FrameMaker 9 and 10 and Distiller 8. Any feedback on what others have found while using High Quality Print versus Standard would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Melissa Clark ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as i...@mikewickham.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40mikewickham.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: DITA/docbook vs your own schema
Unfortunately, that book cannot be sold internationally by Amazon. :( Alan On 10/07/13 2:19 PM, Writer wrote: Agreed. That has been my go to book since I started using DITA. Nadine This is a really good book for getting experience in using DITA 1.2. I found that the sample application that is developed was very straightforward to implement in FrameMaker. It won't teach you everything you need to know about DITA, but all the basics are there. http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-DITA-Second-Edition-Architecture/dp/0977863433 An Arbortext specific version of this book also exists. (The one above is not FM specific, but it really doesn't need to be.) Craig -- AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: DITA/docbook vs your own schema
Agreed. That has been my go to book since I started using DITA. Nadine > >This is a really good book for getting experience in using DITA 1.2. I found >that the sample application that is developed was very straightforward to >implement in FrameMaker. It won't teach you everything you need to know about >DITA, but all the basics are there. > >http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-DITA-Second-Edition-Architecture/dp/0977863433 > >An Arbortext specific version of this book also exists. (The one above is not >FM specific, but it really doesn't need to be.) > >Craig ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
DITA/docbook vs your own schema
Agreed. That has been my go to book since I started using DITA. Nadine > >This is a really good book for getting experience in using DITA 1.2. I found >that the sample application that is developed was very straightforward to >implement in FrameMaker. It won't teach you everything you need to know about >DITA, but all the basics are there. >? >http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-DITA-Second-Edition-Architecture/dp/0977863433 >? >An Arbortext specific version of this book also exists. (The one above is not >FM specific, but it really doesn't need to be.) ? >? >Craig
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Custom Ruling and Shading of Tables via xml and EDD rules
I have XML files that include tables. Some cells include a class such as: Centered text with gray shading Left justified text with gray shading Centered text not shaded Left justified text not shaded I want to be able to open the XML file using FM10 and have the cells formatted. I do not see a "Custom Ruling and Shading" EDD Rule that allows ruling and shading to be defined for a cell based on a Context Rule such as [class="cheader"]. *Am I missing something?* It appears that using the table format styles are limited to an orderly set of rulings and shadings rather than being totally custom or XML attribute driven for specific rows or cells. I can change the markup or take a totally different approach but I nered the format to be driven by the XML data not manual activity in Framemaker aftrer opening the XML file.. *Any suggestions?* * * Ed Nodland ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Cleaning Character Formats
It will also match head, head.1, head.2, Grant On 7/9/2013 3:47 PM, Scott Prentice wrote: While we're on the subject .. an unfortunate tag searching issue happens if your tag names contain hyphens, and you try to use the "Whole Word" option. FM will match on partial tag names where search string matches a hyphen-delimited "word" in your tag name. For example, if you have tags named "head1" and "task-head1" .. and you search for "head1", it will match on both of the tags. Cheers, ...scott On 7/9/13 2:37 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: I just confirmed that "Consider Case" really is active in tag searches--peculiar but true. But since this is actually the case, you'd probably want to leave it OFF if you've got the kind of bad naming practices you mention. If you tell FrameMaker to consider case, then you'd have to do *separate* searches for "italic" and "Italic" (and for "ITALIC" or any camel-case variations). But with "Consider Case" inactive, searching for "italic" return results for *any* instance of those 6 letters in that order *regardless of case*. Covering all permutations of upper-case and lower case letters in the name of a 6-letter tag would take 64 (2^6) separate searches with "consider case" ON, but only one search with "consider case" OFF. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
PDF Job Options - Standard versus High Quality Print
Hi, I'm writing today to query others about the Standard versus High Quality Print options under the PDF Setup in Adobe FrameMaker and Distiller. The various PDF job options are being evaluated internally. In particular (and what I'm asking about now), in PDF Setup -> Settings -> PDF Job Options, some use "Standard," while others use "High Quality Print" (same setting in Distiller). Based on what I have been told, there is no reason (benefit) to using High Quality Print (versus Standard) even in docs that use more screenshots and/or pictures, and my understanding is that High Quality Print results in a larger file size. (I have been using High Quality Print for years.) My question is whether using Standard (instead of High Quality Print) results in any detrimental effect. For reference, here is some information from Adobe: Standard * For desktop printers or digital copiers, published on CD or sent to client as publishing proof * Uses compression/downsampling to reduce file size * Embeds subsets of fonts, converts colors to sRGB, prints medium resolution, windows font subsets not embedded by default * Opened in Acrobat and Reader 6.0 and later High Quality Print * Quality printing on desktop printers and proofing devices * Downsamples color and grayscale images to 300ppi and monochrome to 1200ppi * Embeds subsets of fonts, leaves colors unchanged, does not flatted transparency * Opened in Acrobat and Reader 5.0 and later For what it's worth, I am using Adobe FrameMaker 9 and 10 and Distiller 8. Any feedback on what others have found while using High Quality Print versus Standard would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Melissa Clark ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: DITA/docbook vs your own schema
Amen to that! Craig -Original Message- And unless you're very clever, it's easy to paint yourself into a corner with an in-house system. It might be "simple" to develop something for what your needs are now, but you neglect to make it open-ended or scalable for whatever changes you need to make in the future. And then there's portability... Nadine ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: DITA/docbook vs your own schema
This is a really good book for getting experience in using DITA 1.2. I found that the sample application that is developed was very straightforward to implement in FrameMaker. It won't teach you everything you need to know about DITA, but all the basics are there. http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-DITA-Second-Edition-Architecture/dp/0977863433 An Arbortext specific version of this book also exists. (The one above is not FM specific, but it really doesn't need to be.) Craig ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: DITA/docbook vs your own schema
This distinction between a narrative and topics is a good one. I just worked through a series of manuals that were written as narratives. There was a lot of repeated content and procedures that were actually four or five procedures mixed together and then occurring later with the mixture slightly varied at other points in the manual. For the content of these operator manuals, the focus on topics both reduced the need for repetition and allowed breaking things down procedures into units were both stand-alone AND understandable. The links to stand-alone topics allowed redefining confusing procedures by allowing the operator to focus on the big picture. For this particular situation, DITA was a logical choice. BTW: The previous approach had created a maintenance nightmare since changing anything resulted in having to find all the other places where the same or similar text had to change as well. The conversion process uncovered numerous places where such changes had been not been done or was done incompletely. Craig snipped- IMHO, Docbook vs DITA is a choice between ecosystems. While Docbook is leaning towards the narrative, and DITA towards topics, the differences are getting less pronounced. E.g., DITA is slowly leaving DTDs behind, and Docbook is slowly getting assemblies (maps). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Cleaning Character Formats
I just confirmed that "Consider Case" really is active in tag searches--peculiar but true. But since this is actually the case, you'd probably want to leave it OFF if you've got the kind of bad naming practices you mention. If you tell FrameMaker to consider case, then you'd have to do *separate* searches for "italic" and "Italic" (and for "ITALIC" or any camel-case variations). But with "Consider Case" inactive, searching for "italic" return results for *any* instance of those 6 letters in that order *regardless of case*. Covering all permutations of upper-case and lower case letters in the name of a 6-letter tag would take 64 (2^6) separate searches with "consider case" ON, but only one search with "consider case" OFF. -Fred Ridder Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:44:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Cleaning Character Formats From: karendes...@gmail.com To: docudoc at hotmail.com CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com Thanks, Fred, maybe I was confusing format and tag. I guess I do want both overrides and tags, though--I can use Silicon Prairie's Character Tools to find both. As it happens, there are instances of bad practices like "Italic" and "italic", so case would be relevant in some instances. Thanks, Lin, for jogging my memory, too. I'll see if CudSpan tools can help as well. --Karen On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: You don't indicate what version of FrameMaker you are using, so I'll try to keep my answers as generic and universal as possible. If you're trying to find named character styles, you should be choosing "Character Tag" rather than "Character Format" in the Find box. You will have to type the name of the tag, though, the same way you have to when searching for paragraph tags. If you're trying to find instances of manually applied character formatting (format overrides), you'll either have to search for "Character Format" and deal with each item in the format dialog individually, or else get yourself a script or plug-in that finds overrides and generates a hyperlinked report. Once you have the report you can jump to each override and either remove the formatting or apply it via named styles (tags). For years I've used the hunt overrides plug-ins from CudSpan (Chris Despopoulis) and they work just fine. BTW, if you're searching for tags or formatting, you should not be checking the "Consider Case" option, since that is intended for use when searching for a text string in the document's content. I don't know whether it affects tag or formatting searches or whether it is completely ignored (as it should be), but why select it if it's irrelevant? -Fred Ridder Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:15:10 -0700 Subject: Cleaning Character Formats From: karendes...@gmail.com To: framers at lists.frameusers.com I want to remove rogue character formats and replace them with correct ones. I've used Character Tools to generate a list of formats by file so I know which ones are in each document of my book. I choose "Character Format..." in the Find/Change palette, type the character format name in the entry field, check the "Consider Case" checkbox, check the "Document" radio button to check only the open document, and click "Find." Usually, the "Find Character Format" dialog appears. I can't possibly remember all the properties I assigned to every format I created, and certainly wouldn't know the properties of a rogue or legacy style that I didn't create. I just want to find the format by the name assigned to it. Shouldn't those names appear in the scrollable entry field of the Find/Change palette, the same way paragraph styles do? (Not even default character styles show up.) Must I generate a long CT report on all styles to get the properties to complete this dialog? If I close this dialog and try again, a "Specify the character format to find" alert appears. My documents have only an A flow. I doubt the character format I'm looking for would be on a master page. Even if a style or two were in an unanchored box, for example, that doesn't explain all styles not being available or found. I'm sure this is a case of user error. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Karen -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130709/ab22ea92/attachment.html>
Custom Ruling and Shading of Tables via xml and EDD rules
I have XML files that include tables. Some cells include a class such as: Centered text with gray shading Left justified text with gray shading Centered text not shaded Left justified text not shaded I want to be able to open the XML file using FM10 and have the cells formatted. I do not see a "Custom Ruling and Shading" EDD Rule that allows ruling and shading to be defined for a cell based on a Context Rule such as [class="cheader"]. *Am I missing something?* It appears that using the table format styles are limited to an orderly set of rulings and shadings rather than being totally custom or XML attribute driven for specific rows or cells. I can change the markup or take a totally different approach but I nered the format to be driven by the XML data not manual activity in Framemaker aftrer opening the XML file.. *Any suggestions?* * * Ed Nodland -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130709/79167cd3/attachment.html>
Cleaning Character Formats
And as of Frame 10, you can also search for Character Format Override and Paragraph Format Override, so you don't even need to search for a specific tag. If you do search for a specific tag, remember that the first time you find it, you can reapply the tag to clear the override, then Copy Special the Character Format and do a search and replace for the rest of the book. HTH, Lin On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: > If I'm reading your message right, you should be choosing "Character > Tag:" in the Find dialog, rather than a "Character Format." The former > searches for text with the assigned character style. The latter finds text > with specific attributes, which may or may not have been assigned a > character style. > > Mike Wickham > > > On 7/9/2013 2:15 PM, Karen Robbins wrote: > > I want to remove rogue character formats and replace them with correct > ones. I've used Character Tools to generate a list of formats by file so I > know which ones are in each document of my book. I choose "Character > Format..." in the Find/Change palette, type the character format name in > the entry field, check the "Consider Case" checkbox, check the "Document" > radio button to check only the open document, and click "Find." > > Usually, the "Find Character Format" dialog appears. I can't possibly > remember all the properties I assigned to every format I created, and > certainly wouldn't know the properties of a rogue or legacy style that I > didn't create. I just want to find the format by the name assigned to it. > Shouldn't those names appear in the scrollable entry field of the > Find/Change palette, the same way paragraph styles do? (Not even default > character styles show up.) Must I generate a long CT report on all styles > to get the properties to complete this dialog? > > If I close this dialog and try again, a "Specify the character format to > find" alert appears. > > My documents have only an A flow. I doubt the character format I'm looking > for would be on a master page. Even if a style or two were in an unanchored > box, for example, that doesn't explain all styles not being available or > found. > > I'm sure this is a case of user error. What am I doing wrong? > > Thanks, > Karen > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as info at mikewickham.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscribe at > lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40mikewickham.com > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims.ML at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > -- Lin Sims -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130709/388ce75a/attachment.html>
Cleaning Character Formats
It will also match head, head.1, head.2, Grant On 7/9/2013 3:47 PM, Scott Prentice wrote: > While we're on the subject .. an unfortunate tag searching issue > happens if your tag names contain hyphens, and you try to use the > "Whole Word" option. FM will match on partial tag names where search > string matches a hyphen-delimited "word" in your tag name. For > example, if you have tags named "head1" and "task-head1" .. and you > search for "head1", it will match on both of the tags. > > Cheers, > > ...scott > On 7/9/13 2:37 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: >> I just confirmed that "Consider Case" really is active in tag >> searches--peculiar but true. >> >> But since this is actually the case, you'd probably want to leave it >> OFF if you've got the kind of bad naming practices you mention. >> >> If you tell FrameMaker to consider case, then you'd have to do >> *separate* searches for "italic" and "Italic" (and for "ITALIC" or >> any camel-case variations). But with "Consider Case" inactive, >> searching for "italic" return results for *any* instance of those 6 >> letters in that order *regardless of case*. Covering all permutations >> of upper-case and lower case letters in the name of a 6-letter tag >> would take 64 (2^6) separate searches with "consider case" ON, but >> only one search with "consider case" OFF. >> >> -Fred Ridder > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130709/090cefd8/attachment.html>
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You don't indicate what version of FrameMaker you are using, so I'll try to keep my answers as generic and universal as possible. If you're trying to find named character styles, you should be choosing "Character Tag" rather than "Character Format" in the Find box. You will have to type the name of the tag, though, the same way you have to when searching for paragraph tags. If you're trying to find instances of manually applied character formatting (format overrides), you'll either have to search for "Character Format" and deal with each item in the format dialog individually, or else get yourself a script or plug-in that finds overrides and generates a hyperlinked report. Once you have the report you can jump to each override and either remove the formatting or apply it via named styles (tags). For years I've used the hunt overrides plug-ins from CudSpan (Chris Despopoulis) and they work just fine. BTW, if you're searching for tags or formatting, you should not be checking the "Consider Case" option, since that is intended for use when searching for a text string in the document's content. I don't know whether it affects tag or formatting searches or whether it is completely ignored (as it should be), but why select it if it's irrelevant? -Fred Ridder Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:15:10 -0700 Subject: Cleaning Character Formats From: karendes...@gmail.com To: framers at lists.frameusers.com I want to remove rogue character formats and replace them with correct ones. I've used Character Tools to generate a list of formats by file so I know which ones are in each document of my book. I choose "Character Format..." in the Find/Change palette, type the character format name in the entry field, check the "Consider Case" checkbox, check the "Document" radio button to check only the open document, and click "Find." Usually, the "Find Character Format" dialog appears. I can't possibly remember all the properties I assigned to every format I created, and certainly wouldn't know the properties of a rogue or legacy style that I didn't create. I just want to find the format by the name assigned to it. Shouldn't those names appear in the scrollable entry field of the Find/Change palette, the same way paragraph styles do? (Not even default character styles show up.) Must I generate a long CT report on all styles to get the properties to complete this dialog? If I close this dialog and try again, a "Specify the character format to find" alert appears. My documents have only an A flow. I doubt the character format I'm looking for would be on a master page. Even if a style or two were in an unanchored box, for example, that doesn't explain all styles not being available or found. I'm sure this is a case of user error. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Karen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as DocuDoc at hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130709/b21021f3/attachment.html>
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On 2013-Jul-09 3:15 PM, Karen Robbins wrote: > I want to remove rogue character formats and replace them with correct > ones. I've used Character Tools to generate a list of formats by file > so I know which ones are in each document of my book. I choose > "Character Format..." in the Find/Change palette, type the character > format name in the entry field, check the "Consider Case" checkbox, > check the "Document" radio button to check only the open document, and > click "Find." > Don't choose "Character Format...", choose "Character Tag:" HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
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While we're on the subject .. an unfortunate tag searching issue happens if your tag names contain hyphens, and you try to use the "Whole Word" option. FM will match on partial tag names where search string matches a hyphen-delimited "word" in your tag name. For example, if you have tags named "head1" and "task-head1" .. and you search for "head1", it will match on both of the tags. Cheers, ...scott On 7/9/13 2:37 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: I just confirmed that "Consider Case" really is active in tag searches--peculiar but true. But since this is actually the case, you'd probably want to leave it OFF if you've got the kind of bad naming practices you mention. If you tell FrameMaker to consider case, then you'd have to do *separate* searches for "italic" and "Italic" (and for "ITALIC" or any camel-case variations). But with "Consider Case" inactive, searching for "italic" return results for *any* instance of those 6 letters in that order *regardless of case*. Covering all permutations of upper-case and lower case letters in the name of a 6-letter tag would take 64 (2^6) separate searches with "consider case" ON, but only one search with "consider case" OFF. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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If I'm reading your message right, you should be choosing "Character Tag:" in the Find dialog, rather than a "Character Format." The former searches for text with the assigned character style. The latter finds text with specific attributes, which may or may not have been assigned a character style. Mike Wickham On 7/9/2013 2:15 PM, Karen Robbins wrote: > I want to remove rogue character formats and replace them with correct > ones. I've used Character Tools to generate a list of formats by file > so I know which ones are in each document of my book. I choose > "Character Format..." in the Find/Change palette, type the character > format name in the entry field, check the "Consider Case" checkbox, > check the "Document" radio button to check only the open document, and > click "Find." > > Usually, the "Find Character Format" dialog appears. I can't possibly > remember all the properties I assigned to every format I created, and > certainly wouldn't know the properties of a rogue or legacy style that > I didn't create. I just want to find the format by the name assigned > to it. Shouldn't those names appear in the scrollable entry field of > the Find/Change palette, the same way paragraph styles do? (Not even > default character styles show up.) Must I generate a long CT report on > all styles to get the properties to complete this dialog? > > If I close this dialog and try again, a "Specify the character format > to find" alert appears. > > My documents have only an A flow. I doubt the character format I'm > looking for would be on a master page. Even if a style or two were in > an unanchored box, for example, that doesn't explain all styles not > being available or found. > > I'm sure this is a case of user error. What am I doing wrong? > > Thanks, > Karen > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as info at mikewickham.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40mikewickham.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130709/81492418/attachment.html>
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While we're on the subject .. an unfortunate tag searching issue happens if your tag names contain hyphens, and you try to use the "Whole Word" option. FM will match on partial tag names where search string matches a hyphen-delimited "word" in your tag name. For example, if you have tags named "head1" and "task-head1" .. and you search for "head1", it will match on both of the tags. Cheers, ...scott On 7/9/13 2:37 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: > I just confirmed that "Consider Case" really is active in tag > searches--peculiar but true. > > But since this is actually the case, you'd probably want to leave it > OFF if you've got the kind of bad naming practices you mention. > > If you tell FrameMaker to consider case, then you'd have to do > *separate* searches for "italic" and "Italic" (and for "ITALIC" or any > camel-case variations). But with "Consider Case" inactive, searching > for "italic" return results for *any* instance of those 6 letters in > that order *regardless of case*. Covering all permutations of > upper-case and lower case letters in the name of a 6-letter tag would > take 64 (2^6) separate searches with "consider case" ON, but only one > search with "consider case" OFF. > > -Fred Ridder -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130709/16b01a60/attachment.html>
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I just confirmed that "Consider Case" really is active in tag searches--peculiar but true. But since this is actually the case, you'd probably want to leave it OFF if you've got the kind of bad naming practices you mention. If you tell FrameMaker to consider case, then you'd have to do *separate* searches for "italic" and "Italic" (and for "ITALIC" or any camel-case variations). But with "Consider Case" inactive, searching for "italic" return results for *any* instance of those 6 letters in that order *regardless of case*. Covering all permutations of upper-case and lower case letters in the name of a 6-letter tag would take 64 (2^6) separate searches with "consider case" ON, but only one search with "consider case" OFF. -Fred Ridder Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:44:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Cleaning Character Formats From: karendes...@gmail.com To: docu...@hotmail.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com Thanks, Fred, maybe I was confusing format and tag. I guess I do want both overrides and tags, though--I can use Silicon Prairie's Character Tools to find both. As it happens, there are instances of bad practices like "Italic" and "italic", so case would be relevant in some instances. Thanks, Lin, for jogging my memory, too. I'll see if CudSpan tools can help as well. --Karen On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: You don't indicate what version of FrameMaker you are using, so I'll try to keep my answers as generic and universal as possible. If you're trying to find named character styles, you should be choosing "Character Tag" rather than "Character Format" in the Find box. You will have to type the name of the tag, though, the same way you have to when searching for paragraph tags. If you're trying to find instances of manually applied character formatting (format overrides), you'll either have to search for "Character Format" and deal with each item in the format dialog individually, or else get yourself a script or plug-in that finds overrides and generates a hyperlinked report. Once you have the report you can jump to each override and either remove the formatting or apply it via named styles (tags). For years I've used the hunt overrides plug-ins from CudSpan (Chris Despopoulis) and they work just fine. BTW, if you're searching for tags or formatting, you should not be checking the "Consider Case" option, since that is intended for use when searching for a text string in the document's content. I don't know whether it affects tag or formatting searches or whether it is completely ignored (as it should be), but why select it if it's irrelevant? -Fred Ridder Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:15:10 -0700 Subject: Cleaning Character Formats From: karendes...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com I want to remove rogue character formats and replace them with correct ones. I've used Character Tools to generate a list of formats by file so I know which ones are in each document of my book. I choose "Character Format..." in the Find/Change palette, type the character format name in the entry field, check the "Consider Case" checkbox, check the "Document" radio button to check only the open document, and click "Find." Usually, the "Find Character Format" dialog appears. I can't possibly remember all the properties I assigned to every format I created, and certainly wouldn't know the properties of a rogue or legacy style that I didn't create. I just want to find the format by the name assigned to it. Shouldn't those names appear in the scrollable entry field of the Find/Change palette, the same way paragraph styles do? (Not even default character styles show up.) Must I generate a long CT report on all styles to get the properties to complete this dialog? If I close this dialog and try again, a "Specify the character format to find" alert appears. My documents have only an A flow. I doubt the character format I'm looking for would be on a master page. Even if a style or two were in an unanchored box, for example, that doesn't explain all styles not being available or found. I'm sure this is a case of user error. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Karen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Thanks, Fred, maybe I was confusing format and tag. I guess I do want both overrides and tags, though--I can use Silicon Prairie's Character Tools to find both. As it happens, there are instances of bad practices like "Italic" and "italic", so case would be relevant in some instances. Thanks, Lin, for jogging my memory, too. I'll see if CudSpan tools can help as well. --Karen On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: > You don't indicate what version of FrameMaker you are using, so I'll try > to keep my answers as generic and universal as possible. > > If you're trying to find named character styles, you should be choosing > "Character Tag" rather than "Character Format" in the Find box. You will > have to type the name of the tag, though, the same way you have to when > searching for paragraph tags. > > If you're trying to find instances of manually applied character > formatting (format overrides), you'll either have to search for "Character > Format" and deal with each item in the format dialog individually, or else > get yourself a script or plug-in that finds overrides and generates a > hyperlinked report. Once you have the report you can jump to each override > and either remove the formatting or apply it via named styles (tags). For > years I've used the hunt overrides plug-ins from CudSpan (Chris > Despopoulis) and they work just fine. > > BTW, if you're searching for tags or formatting, you should not be > checking the "Consider Case" option, since that is intended for use when > searching for a text string in the document's content. I don't know whether > it affects tag or formatting searches or whether it is completely ignored > (as it should be), but why select it if it's irrelevant? > > -Fred Ridder > > -- > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:15:10 -0700 > Subject: Cleaning Character Formats > From: karendes...@gmail.com > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > > I want to remove rogue character formats and replace them with correct > ones. I've used Character Tools to generate a list of formats by file so I > know which ones are in each document of my book. I choose "Character > Format..." in the Find/Change palette, type the character format name in > the entry field, check the "Consider Case" checkbox, check the "Document" > radio button to check only the open document, and click "Find." > > Usually, the "Find Character Format" dialog appears. I can't possibly > remember all the properties I assigned to every format I created, and > certainly wouldn't know the properties of a rogue or legacy style that I > didn't create. I just want to find the format by the name assigned to it. > Shouldn't those names appear in the scrollable entry field of the > Find/Change palette, the same way paragraph styles do? (Not even default > character styles show up.) Must I generate a long CT report on all styles > to get the properties to complete this dialog? > > If I close this dialog and try again, a "Specify the character format to > find" alert appears. > > My documents have only an A flow. I doubt the character format I'm looking > for would be on a master page. Even if a style or two were in an unanchored > box, for example, that doesn't explain all styles not being available or > found. > > I'm sure this is a case of user error. What am I doing wrong? > > Thanks, > Karen > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Thanks, Fred, maybe I was confusing format and tag. I guess I do want both overrides and tags, though--I can use Silicon Prairie's Character Tools to find both. As it happens, there are instances of bad practices like "Italic" and "italic", so case would be relevant in some instances. Thanks, Lin, for jogging my memory, too. I'll see if CudSpan tools can help as well. --Karen On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: > You don't indicate what version of FrameMaker you are using, so I'll try > to keep my answers as generic and universal as possible. > > If you're trying to find named character styles, you should be choosing > "Character Tag" rather than "Character Format" in the Find box. You will > have to type the name of the tag, though, the same way you have to when > searching for paragraph tags. > > If you're trying to find instances of manually applied character > formatting (format overrides), you'll either have to search for "Character > Format" and deal with each item in the format dialog individually, or else > get yourself a script or plug-in that finds overrides and generates a > hyperlinked report. Once you have the report you can jump to each override > and either remove the formatting or apply it via named styles (tags). For > years I've used the hunt overrides plug-ins from CudSpan (Chris > Despopoulis) and they work just fine. > > BTW, if you're searching for tags or formatting, you should not be > checking the "Consider Case" option, since that is intended for use when > searching for a text string in the document's content. I don't know whether > it affects tag or formatting searches or whether it is completely ignored > (as it should be), but why select it if it's irrelevant? > > -Fred Ridder > > -- > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:15:10 -0700 > Subject: Cleaning Character Formats > From: karendesign at gmail.com > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > I want to remove rogue character formats and replace them with correct > ones. I've used Character Tools to generate a list of formats by file so I > know which ones are in each document of my book. I choose "Character > Format..." in the Find/Change palette, type the character format name in > the entry field, check the "Consider Case" checkbox, check the "Document" > radio button to check only the open document, and click "Find." > > Usually, the "Find Character Format" dialog appears. I can't possibly > remember all the properties I assigned to every format I created, and > certainly wouldn't know the properties of a rogue or legacy style that I > didn't create. I just want to find the format by the name assigned to it. > Shouldn't those names appear in the scrollable entry field of the > Find/Change palette, the same way paragraph styles do? (Not even default > character styles show up.) Must I generate a long CT report on all styles > to get the properties to complete this dialog? > > If I close this dialog and try again, a "Specify the character format to > find" alert appears. > > My documents have only an A flow. I doubt the character format I'm looking > for would be on a master page. Even if a style or two were in an unanchored > box, for example, that doesn't explain all styles not being available or > found. > > I'm sure this is a case of user error. What am I doing wrong? > > Thanks, > Karen > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130709/f4849d75/attachment.html>
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And as of Frame 10, you can also search for Character Format Override and Paragraph Format Override, so you don't even need to search for a specific tag. If you do search for a specific tag, remember that the first time you find it, you can reapply the tag to clear the override, then Copy Special the Character Format and do a search and replace for the rest of the book. HTH, Lin On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: > If I'm reading your message right, you should be choosing "Character > Tag:" in the Find dialog, rather than a "Character Format." The former > searches for text with the assigned character style. The latter finds text > with specific attributes, which may or may not have been assigned a > character style. > > Mike Wickham > > > On 7/9/2013 2:15 PM, Karen Robbins wrote: > > I want to remove rogue character formats and replace them with correct > ones. I've used Character Tools to generate a list of formats by file so I > know which ones are in each document of my book. I choose "Character > Format..." in the Find/Change palette, type the character format name in > the entry field, check the "Consider Case" checkbox, check the "Document" > radio button to check only the open document, and click "Find." > > Usually, the "Find Character Format" dialog appears. I can't possibly > remember all the properties I assigned to every format I created, and > certainly wouldn't know the properties of a rogue or legacy style that I > didn't create. I just want to find the format by the name assigned to it. > Shouldn't those names appear in the scrollable entry field of the > Find/Change palette, the same way paragraph styles do? (Not even default > character styles show up.) Must I generate a long CT report on all styles > to get the properties to complete this dialog? > > If I close this dialog and try again, a "Specify the character format to > find" alert appears. > > My documents have only an A flow. I doubt the character format I'm looking > for would be on a master page. Even if a style or two were in an unanchored > box, for example, that doesn't explain all styles not being available or > found. > > I'm sure this is a case of user error. What am I doing wrong? > > Thanks, > Karen > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as i...@mikewickham.com. > > Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40mikewickham.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. > Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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If I'm reading your message right, you should be choosing "Character Tag:" in the Find dialog, rather than a "Character Format." The former searches for text with the assigned character style. The latter finds text with specific attributes, which may or may not have been assigned a character style. Mike Wickham On 7/9/2013 2:15 PM, Karen Robbins wrote: I want to remove rogue character formats and replace them with correct ones. I've used Character Tools to generate a list of formats by file so I know which ones are in each document of my book. I choose "Character Format..." in the Find/Change palette, type the character format name in the entry field, check the "Consider Case" checkbox, check the "Document" radio button to check only the open document, and click "Find." Usually, the "Find Character Format" dialog appears. I can't possibly remember all the properties I assigned to every format I created, and certainly wouldn't know the properties of a rogue or legacy style that I didn't create. I just want to find the format by the name assigned to it. Shouldn't those names appear in the scrollable entry field of the Find/Change palette, the same way paragraph styles do? (Not even default character styles show up.) Must I generate a long CT report on all styles to get the properties to complete this dialog? If I close this dialog and try again, a "Specify the character format to find" alert appears. My documents have only an A flow. I doubt the character format I'm looking for would be on a master page. Even if a style or two were in an unanchored box, for example, that doesn't explain all styles not being available or found. I'm sure this is a case of user error. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Karen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as i...@mikewickham.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40mikewickham.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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You don't indicate what version of FrameMaker you are using, so I'll try to keep my answers as generic and universal as possible. If you're trying to find named character styles, you should be choosing "Character Tag" rather than "Character Format" in the Find box. You will have to type the name of the tag, though, the same way you have to when searching for paragraph tags. If you're trying to find instances of manually applied character formatting (format overrides), you'll either have to search for "Character Format" and deal with each item in the format dialog individually, or else get yourself a script or plug-in that finds overrides and generates a hyperlinked report. Once you have the report you can jump to each override and either remove the formatting or apply it via named styles (tags). For years I've used the hunt overrides plug-ins from CudSpan (Chris Despopoulis) and they work just fine. BTW, if you're searching for tags or formatting, you should not be checking the "Consider Case" option, since that is intended for use when searching for a text string in the document's content. I don't know whether it affects tag or formatting searches or whether it is completely ignored (as it should be), but why select it if it's irrelevant? -Fred Ridder Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:15:10 -0700 Subject: Cleaning Character Formats From: karendes...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com I want to remove rogue character formats and replace them with correct ones. I've used Character Tools to generate a list of formats by file so I know which ones are in each document of my book. I choose "Character Format..." in the Find/Change palette, type the character format name in the entry field, check the "Consider Case" checkbox, check the "Document" radio button to check only the open document, and click "Find." Usually, the "Find Character Format" dialog appears. I can't possibly remember all the properties I assigned to every format I created, and certainly wouldn't know the properties of a rogue or legacy style that I didn't create. I just want to find the format by the name assigned to it. Shouldn't those names appear in the scrollable entry field of the Find/Change palette, the same way paragraph styles do? (Not even default character styles show up.) Must I generate a long CT report on all styles to get the properties to complete this dialog? If I close this dialog and try again, a "Specify the character format to find" alert appears. My documents have only an A flow. I doubt the character format I'm looking for would be on a master page. Even if a style or two were in an unanchored box, for example, that doesn't explain all styles not being available or found. I'm sure this is a case of user error. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Karen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Cleaning Character Formats
On 2013-Jul-09 3:15 PM, Karen Robbins wrote: I want to remove rogue character formats and replace them with correct ones. I've used Character Tools to generate a list of formats by file so I know which ones are in each document of my book. I choose "Character Format..." in the Find/Change palette, type the character format name in the entry field, check the "Consider Case" checkbox, check the "Document" radio button to check only the open document, and click "Find." Don't choose "Character Format...", choose "Character Tag:" HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Cleaning Character Formats
I want to remove rogue character formats and replace them with correct ones. I've used Character Tools to generate a list of formats by file so I know which ones are in each document of my book. I choose "Character Format..." in the Find/Change palette, type the character format name in the entry field, check the "Consider Case" checkbox, check the "Document" radio button to check only the open document, and click "Find." Usually, the "Find Character Format" dialog appears. I can't possibly remember all the properties I assigned to every format I created, and certainly wouldn't know the properties of a rogue or legacy style that I didn't create. I just want to find the format by the name assigned to it. Shouldn't those names appear in the scrollable entry field of the Find/Change palette, the same way paragraph styles do? (Not even default character styles show up.) Must I generate a long CT report on all styles to get the properties to complete this dialog? If I close this dialog and try again, a "Specify the character format to find" alert appears. My documents have only an A flow. I doubt the character format I'm looking for would be on a master page. Even if a style or two were in an unanchored box, for example, that doesn't explain all styles not being available or found. I'm sure this is a case of user error. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Karen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Cleaning Character Formats
I want to remove rogue character formats and replace them with correct ones. I've used Character Tools to generate a list of formats by file so I know which ones are in each document of my book. I choose "Character Format..." in the Find/Change palette, type the character format name in the entry field, check the "Consider Case" checkbox, check the "Document" radio button to check only the open document, and click "Find." Usually, the "Find Character Format" dialog appears. I can't possibly remember all the properties I assigned to every format I created, and certainly wouldn't know the properties of a rogue or legacy style that I didn't create. I just want to find the format by the name assigned to it. Shouldn't those names appear in the scrollable entry field of the Find/Change palette, the same way paragraph styles do? (Not even default character styles show up.) Must I generate a long CT report on all styles to get the properties to complete this dialog? If I close this dialog and try again, a "Specify the character format to find" alert appears. My documents have only an A flow. I doubt the character format I'm looking for would be on a master page. Even if a style or two were in an unanchored box, for example, that doesn't explain all styles not being available or found. I'm sure this is a case of user error. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Karen -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130709/3bdf200a/attachment.html>
PDF Job Options - Standard versus High Quality Print
Hi, I'm writing today to query others about the Standard versus High Quality Print options under the PDF Setup in Adobe FrameMaker and Distiller. The various PDF job options are being evaluated internally. In particular (and what I'm asking about now), in PDF Setup -> Settings -> PDF Job Options, some use "Standard," while others use "High Quality Print" (same setting in Distiller). Based on what I have been told, there is no reason (benefit) to using High Quality Print (versus Standard) even in docs that use more screenshots and/or pictures, and my understanding is that High Quality Print results in a larger file size. (I have been using High Quality Print for years.) My question is whether using Standard (instead of High Quality Print) results in any detrimental effect. For reference, here is some information from Adobe: Standard * For desktop printers or digital copiers, published on CD or sent to client as publishing proof * Uses compression/downsampling to reduce file size * Embeds subsets of fonts, converts colors to sRGB, prints medium resolution, windows font subsets not embedded by default * Opened in Acrobat and Reader 6.0 and later High Quality Print * Quality printing on desktop printers and proofing devices * Downsamples color and grayscale images to 300ppi and monochrome to 1200ppi * Embeds subsets of fonts, leaves colors unchanged, does not flatted transparency * Opened in Acrobat and Reader 5.0 and later For what it's worth, I am using Adobe FrameMaker 9 and 10 and Distiller 8. Any feedback on what others have found while using High Quality Print versus Standard would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Melissa Clark -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130709/2af30a15/attachment.html>
DITA/docbook vs your own schema
Hi Rebecca I don't think any content maps perfectly to DITA, which is logical. But then again, you can specialize DITA to make it match your content. Some will even say that DITA must be specialized. Others have already given you some good arguments in favor of DITA or DocBook. With DITA, you will also get: - Excellent free support from clever people in various DITA user groups: Yahoo dita-users, DITA Awareness Group on LinkedIn... - Books: http://www.ditawriter.com/dita-books/ - Conferences - DITA-aware tools (editors, CMSs) but also DITA-aware technical writers I've been involved in projects in which customers chose to develop their own schema. It has taken them months to develop the schemas, integrate them in the tools and set up the publication process. With DITA, you can be up and running in just a couple of days (or weeks). If you develop your own schema, you will also have to document it. You get this for free with DITA: http://docs.oasis-open.org/dita/v1.2/spec/DITA1.2-spec.html This may help too (source: http://www.scriptorium.com/2009/12/assessing-dita-as-a-foundation-for-xml-implementation/): Implementing DITA versus implementing custom XML architecture With a basic understanding of DITA, it?s time to tackle the $64,000 question: Should you use DITA for your content? First, you need to determine whether XML in general makes sense for your content requirements. If you decide that XML is appropriate, take a look at DITA. The following table outlines a few possible scenarios. *Scenario* *Recommendation* Content must conform to a specific standard, such as S1000D (manufacturing and aerospace), SPL (Structured Product Labeling, pharmaceuticals), or NewsML (newspaper articles). Use the required standard. DITA, out of the box, meets all requirements. Use DITA. A customer or business partner requires you to deliver DITA content. Use DITA. Content contains lengthy narratives that cannot be broken into reasonable modular chunks. DITA is probably not a good fit. Consider a different standard, perhaps DocBook, or build your own. Single sourcing is a requirement. No existing content. Can be flexible with markup requirements in exchange for quicker implementation. DITA is a good fit. DITA is not an exact match; customization would be required. Compare the cost of DITA customization to the cost of custom implementation. Markup requirements are industry-specific, complex, and strict. Look for an existing standard in your industry or build a custom structure. Kind regards -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130709/3c447a35/attachment.html>
DITA/docbook vs your own schema
Amen to that! Craig -Original Message- And unless you're very clever, it's easy to paint yourself into a corner with an in-house system. It might be "simple" to develop something for what your needs are now, but you neglect to make it open-ended or scalable for whatever changes you need to make in the future. And then there's portability... Nadine
DITA/docbook vs your own schema
This is a really good book for getting experience in using DITA 1.2. I found that the sample application that is developed was very straightforward to implement in FrameMaker. It won't teach you everything you need to know about DITA, but all the basics are there. http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-DITA-Second-Edition-Architecture/dp/0977863433 An Arbortext specific version of this book also exists. (The one above is not FM specific, but it really doesn't need to be.) Craig -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130709/45f7dc7f/attachment.html>
DITA/docbook vs your own schema
This distinction between a narrative and topics is a good one. I just worked through a series of manuals that were written as narratives. There was a lot of repeated content and procedures that were actually four or five procedures mixed together and then occurring later with the mixture slightly varied at other points in the manual. For the content of these operator manuals, the focus on topics both reduced the need for repetition and allowed breaking things down procedures into units were both stand-alone AND understandable. The links to stand-alone topics allowed redefining confusing procedures by allowing the operator to focus on the big picture. For this particular situation, DITA was a logical choice. BTW: The previous approach had created a maintenance nightmare since changing anything resulted in having to find all the other places where the same or similar text had to change as well. The conversion process uncovered numerous places where such changes had been not been done or was done incompletely. Craig snipped- IMHO, Docbook vs DITA is a choice between ecosystems. While Docbook is leaning towards the narrative, and DITA towards topics, the differences are getting less pronounced. E.g., DITA is slowly leaving DTDs behind, and Docbook is slowly getting assemblies (maps). -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20130709/8405e966/attachment.html>
RE: DITA/docbook vs your own schema
Okay, I'll start from the assumption that DITA or Docbook as standards are the way to go if you don't want to spend all kinds of time and money on development. Of course changing to DITA or Docbook will cost time and money, too. Just less of both. So which: DITA or Docbook DITA is much more restrictive. The topics are formed from a very finite set of elements which your crew can learn to use adroitly with a little study and practice. Docbook has everything plus the kitchen sink thrown in as elements because it is meant to do, well, just about everything. For my money DITA makes a lot more sense, but your writers have to understand the conceptual framework and work within that relative simplicity. Don't imagine that you can do things like four levels of nested lists. Docbook, by contrast, let's you do just about anything you've been doing in unstructured FrameMaker, you just have to learn which of the many many elements lets you go ahead and do that. For my money, DITA is the way to go . Craig From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of rebecca officer Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 2:06 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: DITA/docbook vs your own schema Does anyone know of a nice, clear list of what you save by using DITA/docbook instead of developing your own schema? The content maps reasonably well to DITA, but not perfectly. I'm trying to figure out whether we're better off working within the limitations of DITA, or whether we should take the DIY approach. A clear list of what you save by using DITA would be really helpful. Many thanks! Rebecca NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesis Labs. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: DITA/docbook vs your own schema
This article by Bernard Aschwanden on subsetting DITA may help: http://www.stc-siliconvalley.org/newsletter/2006_05/articles/aschwanden-subsetting-dita.htm On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:06 AM, rebecca officer < rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz> wrote: > Does anyone know of a nice, clear list of what you save by using > DITA/docbook instead of developing your own schema? > > The content maps reasonably well to DITA, but not perfectly. I'm trying to > figure out whether we're better off working within the limitations of DITA, > or whether we should take the DIY approach. A clear list of what you save > by using DITA would be really helpful. > > Many thanks! > Rebecca > > > NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential > information intended only for the use of the addressee > named above. If you are not the intended recipient of > this message you are hereby notified that you must not > disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this message in error please > notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. > Any views expressed in this message are those of the > individual sender, except where the sender has the > authority to issue and specifically states them to > be the views of Allied Telesis Labs. > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as john.sgamm...@actifio.com. > > Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/john.sgammato%40actifio.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > -- *John Sgammato * Documentation Architect *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com *w* +1-(508) 927-2083 *Recover anything instantly for up to 90% less than you're paying now.* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: DITA/docbook vs your own schema
Hi Rebecca I don't think any content maps perfectly to DITA, which is logical. But then again, you can specialize DITA to make it match your content. Some will even say that DITA must be specialized. Others have already given you some good arguments in favor of DITA or DocBook. With DITA, you will also get: - Excellent free support from clever people in various DITA user groups: Yahoo dita-users, DITA Awareness Group on LinkedIn... - Books: http://www.ditawriter.com/dita-books/ - Conferences - DITA-aware tools (editors, CMSs) but also DITA-aware technical writers I've been involved in projects in which customers chose to develop their own schema. It has taken them months to develop the schemas, integrate them in the tools and set up the publication process. With DITA, you can be up and running in just a couple of days (or weeks). If you develop your own schema, you will also have to document it. You get this for free with DITA: http://docs.oasis-open.org/dita/v1.2/spec/DITA1.2-spec.html This may help too (source: http://www.scriptorium.com/2009/12/assessing-dita-as-a-foundation-for-xml-implementation/): Implementing DITA versus implementing custom XML architecture With a basic understanding of DITA, it’s time to tackle the $64,000 question: Should you use DITA for your content? First, you need to determine whether XML in general makes sense for your content requirements. If you decide that XML is appropriate, take a look at DITA. The following table outlines a few possible scenarios. *Scenario* *Recommendation* Content must conform to a specific standard, such as S1000D (manufacturing and aerospace), SPL (Structured Product Labeling, pharmaceuticals), or NewsML (newspaper articles). Use the required standard. DITA, out of the box, meets all requirements. Use DITA. A customer or business partner requires you to deliver DITA content. Use DITA. Content contains lengthy narratives that cannot be broken into reasonable modular chunks. DITA is probably not a good fit. Consider a different standard, perhaps DocBook, or build your own. Single sourcing is a requirement. No existing content. Can be flexible with markup requirements in exchange for quicker implementation. DITA is a good fit. DITA is not an exact match; customization would be required. Compare the cost of DITA customization to the cost of custom implementation. Markup requirements are industry-specific, complex, and strict. Look for an existing standard in your industry or build a custom structure. Kind regards -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
