date:20130724

I'm working on a U.S. Air Force maintenance manual containing three
volumes. I know how to enumerate the chapters and cross-references within
each volume, and how to enumerate the volumes and manage the
cross-references within the book.

One audience will use Volumes I and II; another will use Volumes I and III.
Each of the three volumes will be a separate PDF file in some future
electronic manual storage site. I have no way to know the paths for the
file locations.

What is the best way to make persistent cross references across volumes
after the book is PDF'ed? Can it be done in Framemaker?

-- 
Valerie Lipow
vallipow at gmail.com
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2013-07-24 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi Valerie,



With cross-references and hyperlinks, the only way to ensure that the PDF
links work is to make sure the resulting PDFs are in the same relative
location that the FrameMaker books were in.  Or, vise versa: If you know how
the PDFs are going to be stored relative to each other, you could organize
the FrameMaker books to match this relative arrangement.



After you find out how the PDFs are going to be stored, you may be able to
use a third-party program to modify the links in the PDF. I use AutoBookmark
Professional from www.evermap.com for this kind of thing. In any case, it is
difficult to provide links between PDFs when you don't know how they are
going to be stored relative to each other.



Rick



Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-283-5045

rick at frameexpert.com







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Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:40 AM
To: Framers; techcomm-usg at googlegroups.com
Subject: Multi-Volume Documents



I'm working on a U.S. Air Force maintenance manual containing three volumes.
I know how to enumerate the chapters and cross-references within each
volume, and how to enumerate the volumes and manage the cross-references
within the book. 

One audience will use Volumes I and II; another will use Volumes I and III.
Each of the three volumes will be a separate PDF file in some future
electronic manual storage site. I have no way to know the paths for the file
locations. 

What is the best way to make persistent cross references across volumes
after the book is PDF'ed? Can it be done in Framemaker? 


-- 
Valerie Lipow
vallipow at gmail.com 

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Thanks, Rick. It looks really helpful. I just requested authorization to
buy AutoBookmark Professional.


On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Rick Quatro  wrote:

> Hi Valerie,
>
> ** **
>
> With cross-references and hyperlinks, the only way to ensure that the PDF
> links work is to make sure the resulting PDFs are in the same relative
> location that the FrameMaker books were in.  Or, vise versa: If you know
> how the PDFs are going to be stored relative to each other, you could
> organize the FrameMaker books to match this relative arrangement.
>
> ** **
>
> After you find out how the PDFs are going to be stored, you may be able to
> use a third-party program to modify the links in the PDF. I use
> AutoBookmark Professional from www.evermap.com for this kind of thing. In
> any case, it is difficult to provide links between PDFs when you don't know
> how they are going to be stored relative to each other.
>
> ** **
>
> Rick
>
> ** **
>
> Rick Quatro
>
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>
> 585-283-5045
>
> rick at frameexpert.com
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Valerie Lipow
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:40 AM
> *To:* Framers; techcomm-usg at googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Multi-Volume Documents
>
> ** **
>
> I'm working on a U.S. Air Force maintenance manual containing three
> volumes. I know how to enumerate the chapters and cross-references within
> each volume, and how to enumerate the volumes and manage the
> cross-references within the book.
>
> One audience will use Volumes I and II; another will use Volumes I and
> III. Each of the three volumes will be a separate PDF file in some future
> electronic manual storage site. I have no way to know the paths for the
> file locations.
>
> What is the best way to make persistent cross references across volumes
> after the book is PDF'ed? Can it be done in Framemaker? 
>
>
> --
> Valerie Lipow
> vallipow at gmail.com 
>
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"Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off"

2013-07-24 Thread Davis, David

Hi folks.
After not using Frame day-to-day for a few years, I've finally landed a
contract where they want me to use it...
So I am just finding out what's new in Frame 11 and reading through all the
docs.

Not wanting to bombard the list with minutiae, but there are some quite odd
things buried in the Frame help files that look like they've been there since
the 1990s -
E.g. in "Home / Using FrameMaker 11 / Templates and Page Layout / Formats >
Fonts" I found this little oddball:

- "Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off
or not installed. If you do use Courier without ATM, FrameMaker products do not
accurately display the Courier font."

Lol what on earth is that about? Adobe Type Manager hasn't been needed for
working with PostScript Type1 fonts since Windows 2000!

David

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TOC has incorrect page numbers

2013-07-24 Thread David Millis

Hello FFs (Fellow Framers).

This morning I discovered that the page numbering that is showing in my
TOC is incorrect. The numbers are correct for a couple of chapters and
at the beginning of the 3rd chapter. Then, in the middle of the 3rd
chapter, the numbers are off by a page (should be 32 and is showing 31
in the TOC). I'm only using Headings 1 and 2 in the TOC and it's a
Heading 1 where it starts to go south.

This is unstructured Frame 7.2 on a Windows 7 machine.

Can someone give me some ideas as to what to look for? I would have an
idea if the numbering was wrong starting at the beginning of a chapter,
just not starting mid-chapter.

Thank you for your help in advance.

David Millis

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2013-07-24 Thread Robert Lauriston

When I did that some years ago, I just had all the .book and .fm files
in the same directory. Cross-PDF links worked fine so long as the PDFs
were in the same directory.

There used to be a bug that all the .fm files had to be open for the
cross-PDF links to work but I think that was fixed.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Valerie Lipow  wrote:
> I'm working on a U.S. Air Force maintenance manual containing three volumes.
> I know how to enumerate the chapters and cross-references within each
> volume, and how to enumerate the volumes and manage the cross-references
> within the book.
>
> One audience will use Volumes I and II; another will use Volumes I and III.
> Each of the three volumes will be a separate PDF file in some future
> electronic manual storage site. I have no way to know the paths for the file
> locations.
>
> What is the best way to make persistent cross references across volumes
> after the book is PDF'ed? Can it be done in Framemaker?

Les Smalley

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TOC has incorrect page numbers

2013-07-24 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

David Millis wrote:

> This morning I discovered that the page numbering that is showing in my TOC is
> incorrect. The numbers are correct for a couple of chapters and at the
> beginning of the 3rd chapter. Then, in the middle of the 3rd chapter, the
> numbers are off by a page (should be 32 and is showing 31 in the TOC). I'm
> only using Headings 1 and 2 in the TOC and it's a Heading 1 where it starts to
> go south.

Make sure that generated lists are being regenerated when you update the book: 

1) Select Edit > Update Book. 
2) In the Update Book dialog, make sure that Generate Table of Contents, Lists, 
and Indexes is selected. 
3) Click Update. 

Offhand, I can't think of any other reason why page numbering would be 
incorrect starting in the middle of a file. But if that doesn't fix it, maybe 
somebody else will have an idea. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
--

"Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off"

I don't have any difficulties using Courier in FrameMaker today. :)

However, some years ago, I switched to Consolas for fixed-width text in my 
documents. It looks _much_ cleaner on sample code, in PDF files and on a 
display screen, etc., than any of the Courier fonts available.

You might check to see if the company will allow it instead of Courier.

Z

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Davis, David
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:21 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: "Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned 
off"

Hi folks.
After not using Frame day-to-day for a few years, I've finally landed a 
contract where they want me to use it...
So I am just finding out what's new in Frame 11 and reading through all the 
docs.

Not wanting to bombard the list with minutiae, but there are some quite odd 
things buried in the Frame help files that look like they've been there since 
the 1990s -
E.g. in "Home / Using FrameMaker 11 / Templates and Page Layout / Formats > 
Fonts" I found this little oddball:


-  "Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off 
or not installed. If you do use Courier without ATM, FrameMaker products do not 
accurately display the Courier font."

Lol what on earth is that about? Adobe Type Manager hasn't been needed for 
working with PostScript Type1 fonts since Windows 2000!

David


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"Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off"

2013-07-24 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Davis, David wrote:

> Not wanting to bombard the list with minutiae, but there are some quite odd
> things buried in the Frame help files that look like they've been there since
> the 1990s -
> E.g. in "Home / Using FrameMaker 11 / Templates and Page Layout / Formats >
> Fonts" I found this little oddball:
> 
> - "Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off or 
> not
> installed. If you do use Courier without ATM, FrameMaker products do not
> accurately display the Courier font."
> 
> Lol what on earth is that about? Adobe Type Manager hasn't been needed for
> working with PostScript Type1 fonts since Windows 2000!

Yeah, ATM has been obsolete for quite some time. The statement is at best sadly 
out of date (and I suspect it was only ever partially true). Furthermore, 
Courier is not and has never been a registered trademark. The Courier typeface 
was created for IBM, which chose not to legally protect either the name or the 
design. Anyone can use the Courier name and design. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
--

"Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off"

2013-07-24 Thread Steve Rickaby

At 13:02 -0700 24/7/13, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:

>However, some years ago, I switched to Consolas for fixed-width text in my 
>documents. It looks _much_ cleaner on sample code, in PDF files and on a 
>display screen, etc., than any of the Courier fonts available.

Ditto here, only Monospace 821 (Bitstream).

-- 
Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet]

TOC has incorrect page numbers

2013-07-24 Thread Fred Ridder

Richard has identified the most obvious potential cause for the problem you 
describe. 

But another possible cause is the change in the font metrics that occurs when 
you change from one printer driver to another. (This is the reasons for the 
infamous "Font information has changed" warning message.) FrameMaker obtains 
information on the precise width of every character in every font used in the 
document from the printer driver. When you change to a different driver (for 
example from a physical printer to the Adobe PDF virtual printer for PDF 
generation), there will always be some differences in the dimensions. These 
differences are usually very small and insignificant, but if you will have a 
line of text that is almost exactly the width of the text column even a tiny 
difference in metrics can make a visible difference on the page. If one printer 
has metrics that are a tiny bit smaller for some character(s) the line of 
characters might fit on a single line on the page; but if the metrics are a 
tiny bit larger on a different printer the line may be forced to break. A 
couple of additional line breaks on a page may push a table row or a graphic to 
the next page prematurely, and before you know it all your headings are on a 
different page than when you started. This used to happen all the time when 
printers usually had much lower resolution and the differences in font metrics 
were therefore larger in magnitude. There used to be a good reason for Frame's 
"Font information has changed" warning, and you may have run afoul of it here. 
(Note that this phenomenon was one of the reasons why Word documents used to be 
notorious for having pagination differences on different computers and 
sometimes between on-screen and printed versions.) 

If this is indeed what is going on, the solution is to switch to the printer 
driver you will use for the final output *before* you do the final Update Book 
operation to set the final pagination and generate the TOC to match. Or use a 
workflow or a plug-in like Sundorne's SetPrinter to *always* use Adobe PDF as 
the default printer for FrameMaker (assuming PDF is your final output).

-Fred Ridder

> From: richard.combs at Polycom.com
> To: David.Millis at DrakeSoftware.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 12:58:35 -0700
> Subject: RE: TOC has incorrect page numbers
> 
> David Millis wrote:
>  
> > This morning I discovered that the page numbering that is showing in my TOC 
> > is
> > incorrect. The numbers are correct for a couple of chapters and at the
> > beginning of the 3rd chapter. Then, in the middle of the 3rd chapter, the
> > numbers are off by a page (should be 32 and is showing 31 in the TOC). I'm
> > only using Headings 1 and 2 in the TOC and it's a Heading 1 where it starts 
> > to
> > go south.
> 
> Make sure that generated lists are being regenerated when you update the 
> book: 
> 
> 1) Select Edit > Update Book. 
> 2) In the Update Book dialog, make sure that Generate Table of Contents, 
> Lists, and Indexes is selected. 
> 3) Click Update. 
> 
> Offhand, I can't think of any other reason why page numbering would be 
> incorrect starting in the middle of a file. But if that doesn't fix it, maybe 
> somebody else will have an idea. 
> 
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-903-6372
> --
> 
> 
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"Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off"

Oh, yes, I like that one too - saw it some months back! But since I had 
"standardized" on Consolas quite a while ago, I continued with it.

Z

Jack DeLand said:


> There's also Source Code Pro, available for free from SourceForge.  And it is 
> an open license, Adobe-created OTF. I'm just sayin'.  
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/sourcecodepro.adobe/?source=directory

Syed Zaeem Hosain said:

> > I don't have any difficulties using Courier in FrameMaker today. :)

> > However, some years ago, I switched to Consolas for fixed-width text in my 
> > documents. It looks _much_ cleaner on sample code, in PDF files and on a 
> > display screen, etc., than any of the Courier fonts available.

> > You might check to see if the company will allow it instead of Courier.
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FM 8: Lost my footnote separator line

Hi everyone,



Did this request come through to the group? I would greatly appreciate any 
ideas and help. :)



Thanks,

Elchanan



From: Elchanan [mailto:elcha...@pathofhealth.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 3:15 PM
To: Framers; Free Framers
Subject: RE: FM8: Lost my footnote separator line



Not just the separator line, but also the space above the footnotes is lost. In 
Footnote Properties, the Max. Height Per Column
remains set to the default, 4". There must be some other setting somewhere, of 
which I am unaware. I hope ..



From: Elchanan [mailto:elcha...@pathofhealth.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:29 PM
To: Framers; Free Framers
Subject: FM8: Lost my footnote separator line



Greetings everyone,



I'm setting up a chapter template for a book. I changed the default paratag for 
footnotes from Footnote to ZZ_Footnote, renaming the
tag (Paragraph Designer) and making the corresponding change in the Footnote 
Properties (Format > Document > footnote Properties).
The moment I make that change, the line disappears.



Can anyone suggest how I might keep the renamed paratag and retrieve the lost 
footnote separator?



Thanks!

Elchanan





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FM8: Book design/page layout - Best page size settings

Greetings everyone,



I'm helping ghost-write a book. It will appear in a standard 6" x 9" format. 
From examining similar books, I have the margins set at
.75" in all 4 sides, at least for now. My question is this: Is it best to set 
the page size to 6x9 now, then use registration marks
when printing it out on 8.5 x 11" paper? Or is some other approach better? In 
all likelihood, I am the only one who will ever see
the Frame file. Everyone else will see either Word (rtf presumably) or PDF. 



I appreciate any input!



Thanks,

Elchanan



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The 2013 Consumer Opinion poll results are available

2013-07-24 Thread Sharon Burton

As you may know, I've run the Consumer Opinion poll about product
instructions for the last 2 years. The updated results are available now in
two versions on my website(http://bit.ly/15K8rAK):

The free version
<http://www.sharonburton.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/ConsumerPollResults2
012-2013.pdf> shows you the data, compiled into tables and graphs. The
free version doesn't include any discussion or analysis of the content. The
free version also doesn't include the comments people made for nearly all
questions.

The
<http://www.amazon.com/Consumer-Feelings-Instructions-2012-2013-ebook/dp/B00
E256AJ4/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1374528154&sr=1-1&keywords=sha
ron+burton> paid version* is a reasonable $6.99 and includes discussion and
analysis. It also contains all the comments from both this year and from
last year. This lets you see a large group of comments about what people
think about product instructions and products that they purchase.

The comments alone should give you a place to start analyzing where and how
you may be making your customers angry and upset.

I'll probably do a webinar in the next 6 weeks talking about these results
and what I think they mean for us tech comm professionals.

* This ebook is available on all localized Amazon sites.

In case you think I'm tracking your email when you go to my website or in
some way am going to monitor you and then in some way make money, I'm not.
For a complete discussion about how much money I actually lose running these
polls, go to A Note About These Polls in this post:
http://www.sharonburton.com/?p=1673

Hope this is helpful to you guys!

sharon

Sharon Burton

951-369-8590

www.sharonburton.com

Twitter: sharonburton

Author of 8 Steps to Amazing Webinars,
available on Amazon and bn.com

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TOC has incorrect page numbers

2013-07-24 Thread Craig Ede

For troubleshooting, first make sure you clear the TOC entries from the
previous generate so that you know there is nothing that is remaining in the
TOC that you aren't sure came from the current generate.

If that doesn't result in something useful, check the box that creates
hyperlinks in the TOC and then generate it. Use the feature that allow you
to jump to the hyperlink destination (Cntrl-Alt-Click, all at the same time,
on the TOC entry) and see if the page you land on is on the page that it
says in the TOC. That should give some good clues as to what is happening.



Keep us posted.



Craig  



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Millis
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:34 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: TOC has incorrect page numbers



Hello FFs (Fellow Framers).



This morning I discovered that the page numbering that is showing in my TOC
is incorrect. The numbers are correct for a couple of chapters and at the
beginning of the 3rd chapter. Then, in the middle of the 3rd chapter, the
numbers are off by a page (should be 32 and is showing 31 in the TOC). I'm
only using Headings 1 and 2 in the TOC and it's a Heading 1 where it starts
to go south.



This is unstructured Frame 7.2 on a Windows 7 machine.



Can someone give me some ideas as to what to look for? I would have an idea
if the numbering was wrong starting at the beginning of a chapter, just not
starting mid-chapter.



Thank you for your help in advance.



David Millis



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"Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off"

2013-07-24 Thread Jack DeLand

There's also Source Code Pro, available for free from SourceForge.  And it
is an open license, Adobe-created OTF. I'm just sayin'.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/sourcecodepro.adobe/?source=directory



Jack DeLand, CSM | 734 972 3026 (cell) | jack.deland (skype) |
www.linkedin.com/in/jackdeland



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
(Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 4:02 PM
To: Davis, David; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: "Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is
turned off"



I don't have any difficulties using Courier in FrameMaker today. :)



However, some years ago, I switched to Consolas for fixed-width text in my
documents. It looks _much_ cleaner on sample code, in PDF files and on a
display screen, etc., than any of the Courier fonts available.



You might check to see if the company will allow it instead of Courier.



Z



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Davis, David
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:21 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: "Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is
turned off"



Hi folks. 
After not using Frame day-to-day for a few years, I've finally landed a
contract where they want me to use it.

So I am just finding out what's new in Frame 11 and reading through all the
docs.



Not wanting to bombard the list with minutiae, but there are some quite odd
things buried in the Frame help files that look like they've been there
since the 1990s - 

E.g. in "Home / Using FrameMaker 11 / Templates and Page Layout / Formats >
Fonts" I found this little oddball:



-  "Do not use the CourierR font when Adobe Type ManagerR is turned off
or not installed. If you do use Courier without ATM, FrameMaker products do
not accurately display the Courier font."



Lol what on earth is that about? Adobe Type Manager hasn't been needed for
working with PostScript Type1 fonts since Windows 2000! 

David



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FM 8: Lost my footnote separator line

2013-07-24 Thread Craig Ede

I had not seen your query previous to this posting.



This spacing is controlled by the TableFootnote box that exists by default
on the reference page (usually the first one). If it has been deleted you
can just create a new blank portrait document (File>New>Document>Portrait).
Go the first reference page and select the dotted line box under the Table
Footnote label. Copy it and paste it onto your reference page. You will have
to name it TableFootnote (the name is important). Then select and copy over
the label in the same way. You can't do them at the same time.



Craig



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Hi everyone,



Did this request come through to the group? I would greatly appreciate any
ideas and help. :)



Thanks,

Elchanan



From: Elchanan [mailto:elcha...@pathofhealth.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 3:15 PM
To: Framers; Free Framers
Subject: RE: FM8: Lost my footnote separator line



Not just the separator line, but also the space above the footnotes is lost.
In Footnote Properties, the Max. Height Per Column remains set to the
default, 4". There must be some other setting somewhere, of which I am
unaware. I hope ..



From: Elchanan [mailto:elcha...@pathofhealth.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:29 PM
To: Framers; Free Framers
Subject: FM8: Lost my footnote separator line



Greetings everyone,



I'm setting up a chapter template for a book. I changed the default paratag
for footnotes from Footnote to ZZ_Footnote, renaming the tag (Paragraph
Designer) and making the corresponding change in the Footnote Properties
(Format > Document > footnote Properties). The moment I make that change,
the line disappears.



Can anyone suggest how I might keep the renamed paratag and retrieve the
lost footnote separator?



Thanks!

Elchanan





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Re: Auto-rotate pages in PDF

2013-07-24 Thread Chris Coggins

We had this same problem and our solution was to set the graphics
resolution to 600dpi, and set the paper size to match or exceed the largest
page size in the FM file in the advanced print options. That solved the
cut-off problems for us.

Chris


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> Framers,
>
> I'm stumped again. I'm running FM9 V9.0p237 and Acrobat Distiller 9.5.1283
> on Win7.
>
> I'm distilling a large file that mostly has portrait pages with some
> embedded landscape pages. The file is set up so that "Apply Master Pages"
> automatically sets the appropriate  portrait/landscape orientation after
> edits. When I review the pages in FM, they all  have correct orientation.
> When I generate the PDF, the landscape pages are generated as if they are
> portrait (they are cut off on the right and left). The Distiller job
> settings has "Compatibility" set to "Acrobat 5.0 (PDF 1.4)" and
> "Auto-Rotate Pages" set to "Individually." The other options shouldn't
> really matter.
>
> My client is still using FM8 (I save as FM8 when I return files), but she
> has Acrobat 11 installed. She can correctly generate the PDF for the same
> files.
>
> This has worked for me in the past with these files (a couple of years ago
> with FM9). Has anyone run into this issue?
>
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Re: Adobe Tech Comm Content Strategy and Tools Survey

2013-07-24 Thread John Sgammato

Well, it just crashed on me moments ago, as I was finishing up.
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Re: Auto-rotate pages in PDF (Art Campbell)

2013-07-24 Thread Jay Mahler

Art, 
Thanks for the suggestion, but the PDF version is out of my control. This is a 
document going to a large Federal agency, and that is what they require because 
of their old systems. Besides, I ran a test with PDF Compatibility set to 
"Acrobat 8.0 (PDF 1.7)," and it made no difference. 

Anyone have any other suggestions?

Jay
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:25:08 -0400
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Have you tried a different Acrobat level? Compatibility with version 5
would be 6 generations old -- pre XP, I think.
I think you'd be safe with v 8 or 9, and it may make a difference just
because so many features have been added since v 5 that the inserted code
may be obtuse.

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On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Jay Mahler  wrote:

> Framers,
>
> I'm stumped again. I'm running FM9 V9.0p237 and Acrobat Distiller 9.5.1283
> on Win7.
>
> I'm distilling a large file that mostly has portrait pages with some
> embedded landscape pages. The file is set up so that "Apply Master Pages"
> automatically sets the appropriate  portrait/landscape orientation after
> edits. When I review the pages in FM, they all  have correct orientation.
> When I generate the PDF, the landscape pages are generated as if they are
> portrait (they are cut off on the right and left). The Distiller job
> settings has "Compatibility" set to "Acrobat 5.0 (PDF 1.4)" and
> "Auto-Rotate Pages" set to "Individually." The other options shouldn't
> really matter.
>
> My client is still using FM8 (I save as FM8 when I return files), but she
> has Acrobat 11 installed. She can correctly generate the PDF for the same
> files.
>
> This has worked for me in the past with these files (a couple of years ago
> with FM9). Has anyone run into this issue?
>
> Jay
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Multi-Volume Documents

I'm working on a U.S. Air Force maintenance manual containing three
volumes. I know how to enumerate the chapters and cross-references within
each volume, and how to enumerate the volumes and manage the
cross-references within the book.

One audience will use Volumes I and II; another will use Volumes I and III.
Each of the three volumes will be a separate PDF file in some future
electronic manual storage site. I have no way to know the paths for the
file locations.

What is the best way to make persistent cross references across volumes
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RE: Multi-Volume Documents

2013-07-24 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi Valerie,

 

With cross-references and hyperlinks, the only way to ensure that the PDF
links work is to make sure the resulting PDFs are in the same relative
location that the FrameMaker books were in.  Or, vise versa: If you know how
the PDFs are going to be stored relative to each other, you could organize
the FrameMaker books to match this relative arrangement.

 

After you find out how the PDFs are going to be stored, you may be able to
use a third-party program to modify the links in the PDF. I use AutoBookmark
Professional from www.evermap.com for this kind of thing. In any case, it is
difficult to provide links between PDFs when you don't know how they are
going to be stored relative to each other.

 

Rick

 

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Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-283-5045

r...@frameexpert.com

 

 

 

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To: Framers; techcomm-...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Multi-Volume Documents

 

I'm working on a U.S. Air Force maintenance manual containing three volumes.
I know how to enumerate the chapters and cross-references within each
volume, and how to enumerate the volumes and manage the cross-references
within the book. 

One audience will use Volumes I and II; another will use Volumes I and III.
Each of the three volumes will be a separate PDF file in some future
electronic manual storage site. I have no way to know the paths for the file
locations. 

What is the best way to make persistent cross references across volumes
after the book is PDF'ed? Can it be done in Framemaker? 


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Re: Multi-Volume Documents

Thanks, Rick. It looks really helpful. I just requested authorization to
buy AutoBookmark Professional.


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> Hi Valerie,
>
> ** **
>
> With cross-references and hyperlinks, the only way to ensure that the PDF
> links work is to make sure the resulting PDFs are in the same relative
> location that the FrameMaker books were in.  Or, vise versa: If you know
> how the PDFs are going to be stored relative to each other, you could
> organize the FrameMaker books to match this relative arrangement.
>
> ** **
>
> After you find out how the PDFs are going to be stored, you may be able to
> use a third-party program to modify the links in the PDF. I use
> AutoBookmark Professional from www.evermap.com for this kind of thing. In
> any case, it is difficult to provide links between PDFs when you don't know
> how they are going to be stored relative to each other.
>
> ** **
>
> Rick
>
> ** **
>
> Rick Quatro
>
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>
> 585-283-5045
>
> r...@frameexpert.com
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Valerie Lipow
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:40 AM
> *To:* Framers; techcomm-...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Multi-Volume Documents
>
> ** **
>
> I'm working on a U.S. Air Force maintenance manual containing three
> volumes. I know how to enumerate the chapters and cross-references within
> each volume, and how to enumerate the volumes and manage the
> cross-references within the book.
>
> One audience will use Volumes I and II; another will use Volumes I and
> III. Each of the three volumes will be a separate PDF file in some future
> electronic manual storage site. I have no way to know the paths for the
> file locations.
>
> What is the best way to make persistent cross references across volumes
> after the book is PDF'ed? Can it be done in Framemaker? 
>
>
> --
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"Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off"

2013-07-24 Thread Davis, David

Hi folks.
After not using Frame day-to-day for a few years, I've finally landed a 
contract where they want me to use it...
So I am just finding out what's new in Frame 11 and reading through all the 
docs.

Not wanting to bombard the list with minutiae, but there are some quite odd 
things buried in the Frame help files that look like they've been there since 
the 1990s -
E.g. in "Home / Using FrameMaker 11 / Templates and Page Layout / Formats > 
Fonts" I found this little oddball:


-  "Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off 
or not installed. If you do use Courier without ATM, FrameMaker products do not 
accurately display the Courier font."

Lol what on earth is that about? Adobe Type Manager hasn't been needed for 
working with PostScript Type1 fonts since Windows 2000!

David


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TOC has incorrect page numbers

2013-07-24 Thread David Millis

Hello FFs (Fellow Framers).
 
This morning I discovered that the page numbering that is showing in my
TOC is incorrect. The numbers are correct for a couple of chapters and
at the beginning of the 3rd chapter. Then, in the middle of the 3rd
chapter, the numbers are off by a page (should be 32 and is showing 31
in the TOC). I'm only using Headings 1 and 2 in the TOC and it's a
Heading 1 where it starts to go south.
 
This is unstructured Frame 7.2 on a Windows 7 machine.
 
Can someone give me some ideas as to what to look for? I would have an
idea if the numbering was wrong starting at the beginning of a chapter,
just not starting mid-chapter.
 
Thank you for your help in advance.
 
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Re: Multi-Volume Documents

2013-07-24 Thread Robert Lauriston

When I did that some years ago, I just had all the .book and .fm files
in the same directory. Cross-PDF links worked fine so long as the PDFs
were in the same directory.

There used to be a bug that all the .fm files had to be open for the
cross-PDF links to work but I think that was fixed.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Valerie Lipow  wrote:
> I'm working on a U.S. Air Force maintenance manual containing three volumes.
> I know how to enumerate the chapters and cross-references within each
> volume, and how to enumerate the volumes and manage the cross-references
> within the book.
>
> One audience will use Volumes I and II; another will use Volumes I and III.
> Each of the three volumes will be a separate PDF file in some future
> electronic manual storage site. I have no way to know the paths for the file
> locations.
>
> What is the best way to make persistent cross references across volumes
> after the book is PDF'ed? Can it be done in Framemaker?
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Announcing FrameScript 6

2013-07-24 Thread Marjorie Mayo

 
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RE: TOC has incorrect page numbers

2013-07-24 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

David Millis wrote:

> This morning I discovered that the page numbering that is showing in my TOC is
> incorrect. The numbers are correct for a couple of chapters and at the
> beginning of the 3rd chapter. Then, in the middle of the 3rd chapter, the
> numbers are off by a page (should be 32 and is showing 31 in the TOC). I'm
> only using Headings 1 and 2 in the TOC and it's a Heading 1 where it starts to
> go south.

Make sure that generated lists are being regenerated when you update the book: 

1) Select Edit > Update Book. 
2) In the Update Book dialog, make sure that Generate Table of Contents, Lists, 
and Indexes is selected. 
3) Click Update. 

Offhand, I can't think of any other reason why page numbering would be 
incorrect starting in the middle of a file. But if that doesn't fix it, maybe 
somebody else will have an idea. 

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RE: "Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off"

I don't have any difficulties using Courier in FrameMaker today. :)

However, some years ago, I switched to Consolas for fixed-width text in my 
documents. It looks _much_ cleaner on sample code, in PDF files and on a 
display screen, etc., than any of the Courier fonts available.

You might check to see if the company will allow it instead of Courier.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Davis, David
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:21 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: "Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned 
off"

Hi folks.
After not using Frame day-to-day for a few years, I've finally landed a 
contract where they want me to use it...
So I am just finding out what's new in Frame 11 and reading through all the 
docs.

Not wanting to bombard the list with minutiae, but there are some quite odd 
things buried in the Frame help files that look like they've been there since 
the 1990s -
E.g. in "Home / Using FrameMaker 11 / Templates and Page Layout / Formats > 
Fonts" I found this little oddball:


-  "Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off 
or not installed. If you do use Courier without ATM, FrameMaker products do not 
accurately display the Courier font."

Lol what on earth is that about? Adobe Type Manager hasn't been needed for 
working with PostScript Type1 fonts since Windows 2000!

David


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RE: "Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off"

2013-07-24 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Davis, David wrote:

> Not wanting to bombard the list with minutiae, but there are some quite odd
> things buried in the Frame help files that look like they've been there since
> the 1990s -
> E.g. in "Home / Using FrameMaker 11 / Templates and Page Layout / Formats >
> Fonts" I found this little oddball:
> 
> - "Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off or 
> not
> installed. If you do use Courier without ATM, FrameMaker products do not
> accurately display the Courier font."
> 
> Lol what on earth is that about? Adobe Type Manager hasn't been needed for
> working with PostScript Type1 fonts since Windows 2000!

Yeah, ATM has been obsolete for quite some time. The statement is at best sadly 
out of date (and I suspect it was only ever partially true). Furthermore, 
Courier is not and has never been a registered trademark. The Courier typeface 
was created for IBM, which chose not to legally protect either the name or the 
design. Anyone can use the Courier name and design. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
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RE: "Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off"

2013-07-24 Thread Steve Rickaby

At 13:02 -0700 24/7/13, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:

>However, some years ago, I switched to Consolas for fixed-width text in my 
>documents. It looks _much_ cleaner on sample code, in PDF files and on a 
>display screen, etc., than any of the Courier fonts available.

Ditto here, only Monospace 821 (Bitstream).

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RE: TOC has incorrect page numbers

2013-07-24 Thread Fred Ridder

Richard has identified the most obvious potential cause for the problem you 
describe. 

But another possible cause is the change in the font metrics that occurs when 
you change from one printer driver to another. (This is the reasons for the 
infamous "Font information has changed" warning message.) FrameMaker obtains 
information on the precise width of every character in every font used in the 
document from the printer driver. When you change to a different driver (for 
example from a physical printer to the Adobe PDF virtual printer for PDF 
generation), there will always be some differences in the dimensions. These 
differences are usually very small and insignificant, but if you will have a 
line of text that is almost exactly the width of the text column even a tiny 
difference in metrics can make a visible difference on the page. If one printer 
has metrics that are a tiny bit smaller for some character(s) the line of 
characters might fit on a single line on the page; but if the metrics are a 
tiny bit larger on a different printer the line may be forced to break. A 
couple of additional line breaks on a page may push a table row or a graphic to 
the next page prematurely, and before you know it all your headings are on a 
different page than when you started. This used to happen all the time when 
printers usually had much lower resolution and the differences in font metrics 
were therefore larger in magnitude. There used to be a good reason for Frame's 
"Font information has changed" warning, and you may have run afoul of it here. 
(Note that this phenomenon was one of the reasons why Word documents used to be 
notorious for having pagination differences on different computers and 
sometimes between on-screen and printed versions.) 

If this is indeed what is going on, the solution is to switch to the printer 
driver you will use for the final output *before* you do the final Update Book 
operation to set the final pagination and generate the TOC to match. Or use a 
workflow or a plug-in like Sundorne's SetPrinter to *always* use Adobe PDF as 
the default printer for FrameMaker (assuming PDF is your final output).

-Fred Ridder

> From: richard.co...@polycom.com
> To: david.mil...@drakesoftware.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 12:58:35 -0700
> Subject: RE: TOC has incorrect page numbers
> 
> David Millis wrote:
>  
> > This morning I discovered that the page numbering that is showing in my TOC 
> > is
> > incorrect. The numbers are correct for a couple of chapters and at the
> > beginning of the 3rd chapter. Then, in the middle of the 3rd chapter, the
> > numbers are off by a page (should be 32 and is showing 31 in the TOC). I'm
> > only using Headings 1 and 2 in the TOC and it's a Heading 1 where it starts 
> > to
> > go south.
> 
> Make sure that generated lists are being regenerated when you update the 
> book: 
> 
> 1) Select Edit > Update Book. 
> 2) In the Update Book dialog, make sure that Generate Table of Contents, 
> Lists, and Indexes is selected. 
> 3) Click Update. 
> 
> Offhand, I can't think of any other reason why page numbering would be 
> incorrect starting in the middle of a file. But if that doesn't fix it, maybe 
> somebody else will have an idea. 
> 
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-903-6372
> --
> 
> 
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RE: "Do not use the Courier(r) font when Adobe Type Manager(r) is turned off"

Oh, yes, I like that one too - saw it some months back! But since I had 
"standardized" on Consolas quite a while ago, I continued with it.

Z

Jack DeLand said:


> There's also Source Code Pro, available for free from SourceForge.  And it is 
> an open license, Adobe-created OTF. I'm just sayin'.  
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/sourcecodepro.adobe/?source=directory

Syed Zaeem Hosain said:

> > I don't have any difficulties using Courier in FrameMaker today. :)

> > However, some years ago, I switched to Consolas for fixed-width text in my 
> > documents. It looks _much_ cleaner on sample code, in PDF files and on a 
> > display screen, etc., than any of the Courier fonts available.

> > You might check to see if the company will allow it instead of Courier.
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FM 8: Lost my footnote separator line

Hi everyone,

 

Did this request come through to the group? I would greatly appreciate any 
ideas and help. :)

 

Thanks,

Elchanan

 

From: Elchanan [mailto:elcha...@pathofhealth.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 3:15 PM
To: Framers; Free Framers
Subject: RE: FM8: Lost my footnote separator line

 

Not just the separator line, but also the space above the footnotes is lost. In 
Footnote Properties, the Max. Height Per Column
remains set to the default, 4". There must be some other setting somewhere, of 
which I am unaware. I hope ..

 

From: Elchanan [mailto:elcha...@pathofhealth.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:29 PM
To: Framers; Free Framers
Subject: FM8: Lost my footnote separator line

 

Greetings everyone,

 

I'm setting up a chapter template for a book. I changed the default paratag for 
footnotes from Footnote to ZZ_Footnote, renaming the
tag (Paragraph Designer) and making the corresponding change in the Footnote 
Properties (Format > Document > footnote Properties).
The moment I make that change, the line disappears.

 

Can anyone suggest how I might keep the renamed paratag and retrieve the lost 
footnote separator?

 

Thanks!

Elchanan

 

 

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FM8: Book design/page layout - Best page size settings