Frame 8 - Acrobat 8 crash

[Dov Isaacs]

Based upon what we know, it is highly unlikely that the Acrobat 8.1
update has anything to do with the problems of "save as PDF" with
FrameMaker 8. Problems appear to be in FrameMaker 8. Update for 
FrameMaker 8 under development now.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-
> bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Swallow
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:02 PM
> To: Art Campbell
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Frame 8 - Acrobat 8 crash
> 
> > Have you applied the Acrobat 8.1 upgrade / patch?
> 
> In my experience and in the experience of several writers I work with,
> this is the very culprit. Revert back to Acrobat 8.0.
> 
> --
> Bill Swallow

Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Dov Isaacs]

( BW)(CA-ADOBE-SYSTEMS)(ADBE) Adobe Unveils Technical Communication
Suite

Integrated Toolkit for Technical Writers Includes Major Upgrade to
RoboHelp

Business Editors/Technology Writers

SAN JOSE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 25, 2007--Adobe Systems
Incorporated (Nasdaq:ADBE) today announced Adobe(R) Technical
Communication Suite software, a first-of-a-kind, integrated solution
for authoring, managing, and publishing technical information and
training content across multiple formats and languages. Using the
Adobe Technical Communication Suite, technical communicators and
instructional designers can create powerful documentation, eLearning
courses and user assistance programs containing both traditional text
and graphics along with rich media, including Adobe Flash(R) Player
compatible video and 3D.

The suite includes Adobe RoboHelp(R) 7, a major upgrade to Adobe's
help system and knowledge base authoring tool, as well as Adobe
FrameMaker(R) 8, Adobe Captivate(R) 3 and Adobe Acrobat(R) 3D Version
8 software. Product and workflow integration and support for rich
media formats -- including Adobe Flash Player compatible video, SWF,
MP3 and AVI files as well as industry standards, such as Adobe
Portable Document Format (PDF), XML and Darwin Information Typing
Architecture (DITA) -- empower authors to deliver compelling
information, save time and reduce discrepancies in content.

"Adobe's leadership in the industry puts us in a unique position
to deliver a completely new product, targeted squarely at technical
communicators and instructional designers," said Naresh Gupta, senior
vice president, Print and Classic Publishing at Adobe. "The Technical
Communication Suite provides all the tools publishers need to take
technical communication to the next level with dramatically improved
workflows and rich features like video, animations, 3D and Unicode
support."

Inside the Technical Communication Suite

Introduced today, RoboHelp 7 delivers major new features enabling
technical communicators to author, manage, and publish engaging
content for embedded help systems and standalone knowledge bases. For
the first time, technical communicators can easily update their online
help systems with information authored in FrameMaker 8, without the
need to re-import files for each update. The new release also adds
Unicode support for publishing in multiple languages.

Automated wizards and topic templates allow users to incorporate
standard and advanced help features, including table of contents,
indexes, glossaries, graphics, sound, video, simulations and
navigation. Authors can generate multiple tables of content and apply
conditional tags, index items, folders, and tailor output for specific
purposes and formats, such as HTML, Adobe PDF and FlashHelp(R).
RoboHelp 7 also supports a Multiple Document Interface (MDI) allowing
easy copy and paste editing across topics. Additional new features
include an updated and customizable user interface, enhancements to
the HTML editor, and improved navigation and search features. For more
details please visit www.adobe.com/products/robohelp.

Launched in July 2007, FrameMaker 8 is a complete authoring and
publishing tool that combines the simplicity of word processing with
the power of XML. The new version adds support for 3D, DITA, XML and
Unicode. With the integration of Adobe Captivate 3 technical authors
can deliver high-impact information with quizzes, visual product
demonstrations and simulations - all without the need for multimedia
development skills. Acrobat 3D version 8 delivers a complete and more
secure way to collaborate with extended teams on 3D designs via Adobe
PDF documents. Technical communicators can easily manipulate and
incorporate interactive 3D models without having to purchase CAD
software.

Pricing and Availability

Adobe Technical Communication Suite will be available for
Microsoft(R) Windows Vista(TM) and Windows(R) XP and is expected to
ship by the end of October 2007 at an estimated price of US$1,599.
Users can upgrade for an estimated price of US$999 if they have prior
versions of Adobe Captivate, FrameMaker or RoboHelp. To learn more
about the suite please visit
www.adobe.com/technicalcommunicationsuite.

RoboHelp 7 and RoboHelp Server 7 will be available for Microsoft
Windows Vista, Windows XP or Windows 2000 and are expected to ship by
the end of October 2007 at an estimated price of US$999 for RoboHelp 7
and US$1,999 for RoboHelp Server 7. Customers of RoboHelp 6 and
RoboHelp Server 6 can upgrade for an estimated price of US$79 and
US$160 respectively. Customers of any previous version of RoboHelp can
upgrade to RoboHelp 7 for an estimated price of US$499. For more
information and additional upgrade pricing visit
www.adobe.com/robohelp.

About Adobe Systems Incorporated

Adobe revolutionizes how the world engages with ideas and
information - anytime, anywhere and through any medium. For more
infor

Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

[Dov Isaacs]

( BW)(CA-ADOBE-SYSTEMS)(ADBE) Adobe Unveils Technical Communication
Suite

Integrated Toolkit for Technical Writers Includes Major Upgrade to
RoboHelp

Business Editors/Technology Writers

SAN JOSE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 25, 2007--Adobe Systems
Incorporated (Nasdaq:ADBE) today announced Adobe(R) Technical
Communication Suite software, a first-of-a-kind, integrated solution
for authoring, managing, and publishing technical information and
training content across multiple formats and languages. Using the
Adobe Technical Communication Suite, technical communicators and
instructional designers can create powerful documentation, eLearning
courses and user assistance programs containing both traditional text
and graphics along with rich media, including Adobe Flash(R) Player
compatible video and 3D.

The suite includes Adobe RoboHelp(R) 7, a major upgrade to Adobe's
help system and knowledge base authoring tool, as well as Adobe
FrameMaker(R) 8, Adobe Captivate(R) 3 and Adobe Acrobat(R) 3D Version
8 software. Product and workflow integration and support for rich
media formats -- including Adobe Flash Player compatible video, SWF,
MP3 and AVI files as well as industry standards, such as Adobe
Portable Document Format (PDF), XML and Darwin Information Typing
Architecture (DITA) -- empower authors to deliver compelling
information, save time and reduce discrepancies in content.

"Adobe's leadership in the industry puts us in a unique position
to deliver a completely new product, targeted squarely at technical
communicators and instructional designers," said Naresh Gupta, senior
vice president, Print and Classic Publishing at Adobe. "The Technical
Communication Suite provides all the tools publishers need to take
technical communication to the next level with dramatically improved
workflows and rich features like video, animations, 3D and Unicode
support."

Inside the Technical Communication Suite

Introduced today, RoboHelp 7 delivers major new features enabling
technical communicators to author, manage, and publish engaging
content for embedded help systems and standalone knowledge bases. For
the first time, technical communicators can easily update their online
help systems with information authored in FrameMaker 8, without the
need to re-import files for each update. The new release also adds
Unicode support for publishing in multiple languages.

Automated wizards and topic templates allow users to incorporate
standard and advanced help features, including table of contents,
indexes, glossaries, graphics, sound, video, simulations and
navigation. Authors can generate multiple tables of content and apply
conditional tags, index items, folders, and tailor output for specific
purposes and formats, such as HTML, Adobe PDF and FlashHelp(R).
RoboHelp 7 also supports a Multiple Document Interface (MDI) allowing
easy copy and paste editing across topics. Additional new features
include an updated and customizable user interface, enhancements to
the HTML editor, and improved navigation and search features. For more
details please visit www.adobe.com/products/robohelp.

Launched in July 2007, FrameMaker 8 is a complete authoring and
publishing tool that combines the simplicity of word processing with
the power of XML. The new version adds support for 3D, DITA, XML and
Unicode. With the integration of Adobe Captivate 3 technical authors
can deliver high-impact information with quizzes, visual product
demonstrations and simulations - all without the need for multimedia
development skills. Acrobat 3D version 8 delivers a complete and more
secure way to collaborate with extended teams on 3D designs via Adobe
PDF documents. Technical communicators can easily manipulate and
incorporate interactive 3D models without having to purchase CAD
software.

Pricing and Availability

Adobe Technical Communication Suite will be available for
Microsoft(R) Windows Vista(TM) and Windows(R) XP and is expected to
ship by the end of October 2007 at an estimated price of US$1,599.
Users can upgrade for an estimated price of US$999 if they have prior
versions of Adobe Captivate, FrameMaker or RoboHelp. To learn more
about the suite please visit
www.adobe.com/technicalcommunicationsuite.

RoboHelp 7 and RoboHelp Server 7 will be available for Microsoft
Windows Vista, Windows XP or Windows 2000 and are expected to ship by
the end of October 2007 at an estimated price of US$999 for RoboHelp 7
and US$1,999 for RoboHelp Server 7. Customers of RoboHelp 6 and
RoboHelp Server 6 can upgrade for an estimated price of US$79 and
US$160 respectively. Customers of any previous version of RoboHelp can
upgrade to RoboHelp 7 for an estimated price of US$499. For more
information and additional upgrade pricing visit
www.adobe.com/robohelp.

About Adobe Systems Incorporated

Adobe revolutionizes how the world engages with ideas and
information - anytime, anywhere and through any medium. For more
infor

RE: OT: PDF question

[Dov Isaacs]

That does NOT necessarily work in many cases, especially EPS
passthrough (including placed PDF in FrameMaker)!

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:framers-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Art
Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 7:06 PM
> To: Miriam Lezak
> Cc: Framers
> Subject: Re: OT: PDF question
> 
> Hi Miriam!
> 
> There are several ways to do it, but I think you get the best quality
with:
> Print to PDF. On the Adobe PDF printer Properties dialog box, on the
> Paper/Quality tab, select Black & White.
> 
> Cheers,
> Art
> 
> 
> On 9/20/07, Miriam Lezak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I know this spills into the wide world of PDF, but my guess is that
someone else has had this issue.
> >
> > From a book file (Framemaker 8, Acrobat 8 Standard), I need to
generate a black and white print-
> ready PDF. I've got graphics and blue (hyperlinks) text. I'd like the
blue text to come out as black.
> >
> > I think I need to fiddle with the Acrobat joboptions file and
postscript. But I'm not sure how.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks much,
> >
> > Miriam
> > Ounce Labs, Inc.
> > Waltham, MA
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OT: PDF question

[Dov Isaacs]

That does NOT necessarily work in many cases, especially EPS
passthrough (including placed PDF in FrameMaker)!

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-
> bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art
Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 7:06 PM
> To: Miriam Lezak
> Cc: Framers
> Subject: Re: OT: PDF question
> 
> Hi Miriam!
> 
> There are several ways to do it, but I think you get the best quality
with:
> Print to PDF. On the Adobe PDF printer Properties dialog box, on the
> Paper/Quality tab, select Black & White.
> 
> Cheers,
> Art
> 
> 
> On 9/20/07, Miriam Lezak  wrote:
> > I know this spills into the wide world of PDF, but my guess is that
someone else has had this issue.
> >
> > From a book file (Framemaker 8, Acrobat 8 Standard), I need to
generate a black and white print-
> ready PDF. I've got graphics and blue (hyperlinks) text. I'd like the
blue text to come out as black.
> >
> > I think I need to fiddle with the Acrobat joboptions file and
postscript. But I'm not sure how.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks much,
> >
> > Miriam
> > Ounce Labs, Inc.
> > Waltham, MA

RE: PDF question

[Dov Isaacs]

Jim,

It is certainly no setting in the PostScript driver or Distiller.
Without knowing your entire workflow and seeing the full contents
of your template, it would be very difficult to know what is going
on and how you are actually getting your desired effect.

The "color" versus "black and white" setting in the driver only
controls part of the PostScript generation, not all of it (and
certainly NOT any passthrough EPS). Conceivably, one could have
a Distiller "prologue.ps" file that redefines all color setting
PostScript definitions to cause black and white / grayscale, but
that certainly isn't anything we ship with any product.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Pinkham, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 5:52 AM
> To: Dov Isaacs; Miriam Lezak; Framers
> Subject: RE: PDF question
> 
> I've never had time or need yet to delve into the how, but I have a
> template book file in FM 7.1 that does exactly this. When I distill a
> book (in Acrobat 6 Pro) created with this template, everything comes
out
> black, as desired. When I use a different book template, the colors
> emerge. Has something changed since my configuration?
> 
> Jim
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:09 PM
> To: Miriam Lezak; Framers
> Subject: RE: PDF question
> 
> No, there is no "simple" way to do that via either driver or
joboptions.
> However, you can do what you want in Acrobat 7 Pro or Acrobat 8 Pro
with
> the color conversion options.
> 
>   - Dov
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:framers-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miriam
> Lezak
> > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:17 AM
> > To: Framers
> > Subject: OT: PDF question
> >
> > I know this spills into the wide world of PDF, but my guess is that
> someone else has had this issue.
> >
> > From a book file (Framemaker 8, Acrobat 8 Standard), I need to
> generate a black and white print-ready
> > PDF. I've got graphics and blue (hyperlinks) text. I'd like the blue
> text to come out as black.
> >
> > I think I need to fiddle with the Acrobat joboptions file and
> postscript. But I'm not sure how.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks much,
> >
> > Miriam
> > Ounce Labs, Inc.
> > Waltham, MA
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PDF question

[Dov Isaacs]

Jim,

It is certainly no setting in the PostScript driver or Distiller.
Without knowing your entire workflow and seeing the full contents
of your template, it would be very difficult to know what is going
on and how you are actually getting your desired effect.

The "color" versus "black and white" setting in the driver only
controls part of the PostScript generation, not all of it (and
certainly NOT any passthrough EPS). Conceivably, one could have
a Distiller "prologue.ps" file that redefines all color setting
PostScript definitions to cause black and white / grayscale, but
that certainly isn't anything we ship with any product.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Pinkham, Jim [mailto:Jim.Pinkham at voith.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 5:52 AM
> To: Dov Isaacs; Miriam Lezak; Framers
> Subject: RE: PDF question
> 
> I've never had time or need yet to delve into the how, but I have a
> template book file in FM 7.1 that does exactly this. When I distill a
> book (in Acrobat 6 Pro) created with this template, everything comes
out
> black, as desired. When I use a different book template, the colors
> emerge. Has something changed since my configuration?
> 
> Jim
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+jim.pinkham=voith.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+jim.pinkham=voith.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
> Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:09 PM
> To: Miriam Lezak; Framers
> Subject: RE: PDF question
> 
> No, there is no "simple" way to do that via either driver or
joboptions.
> However, you can do what you want in Acrobat 7 Pro or Acrobat 8 Pro
with
> the color conversion options.
> 
>   - Dov
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-
> > bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Miriam
> Lezak
> > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:17 AM
> > To: Framers
> > Subject: OT: PDF question
> >
> > I know this spills into the wide world of PDF, but my guess is that
> someone else has had this issue.
> >
> > From a book file (Framemaker 8, Acrobat 8 Standard), I need to
> generate a black and white print-ready
> > PDF. I've got graphics and blue (hyperlinks) text. I'd like the blue
> text to come out as black.
> >
> > I think I need to fiddle with the Acrobat joboptions file and
> postscript. But I'm not sure how.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks much,
> >
> > Miriam
> > Ounce Labs, Inc.
> > Waltham, MA

RE: PDF question

[Dov Isaacs]

No, there is no "simple" way to do that via either driver or joboptions.
However, you can do what you want in Acrobat 7 Pro or Acrobat 8 Pro with
the color conversion options.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:framers-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miriam
Lezak
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:17 AM
> To: Framers
> Subject: OT: PDF question
> 
> I know this spills into the wide world of PDF, but my guess is that
someone else has had this issue.
> 
> From a book file (Framemaker 8, Acrobat 8 Standard), I need to
generate a black and white print-ready
> PDF. I've got graphics and blue (hyperlinks) text. I'd like the blue
text to come out as black.
> 
> I think I need to fiddle with the Acrobat joboptions file and
postscript. But I'm not sure how.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> Miriam
> Ounce Labs, Inc.
> Waltham, MA
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PDF question

[Dov Isaacs]

No, there is no "simple" way to do that via either driver or joboptions.
However, you can do what you want in Acrobat 7 Pro or Acrobat 8 Pro with
the color conversion options.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-
> bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Miriam
Lezak
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:17 AM
> To: Framers
> Subject: OT: PDF question
> 
> I know this spills into the wide world of PDF, but my guess is that
someone else has had this issue.
> 
> From a book file (Framemaker 8, Acrobat 8 Standard), I need to
generate a black and white print-ready
> PDF. I've got graphics and blue (hyperlinks) text. I'd like the blue
text to come out as black.
> 
> I think I need to fiddle with the Acrobat joboptions file and
postscript. But I'm not sure how.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> Miriam
> Ounce Labs, Inc.
> Waltham, MA
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RE: Is 3D Distiller required to process U3D files in FM 8 ?

[Dov Isaacs]

Of course not!

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:05 PM
> To: Dov Isaacs
> Cc: Art Campbell; Frame Users; Free Framers List
> Subject: RE: Is 3D Distiller required to process U3D files in FM 8 ?
> 
> Hi Dov,
> 
> That seems pretty clear. Did that statement make it into the Quick
Install
> docs for FrameMaker 8?
> 
> Craig Ede
> 
> > If you have ANY version of Acrobat 7 or 8 already installed on
> > your system, you absolutely DON'T want the castrated version of
> > Distiller that comes with FrameMaker 8!
> >
> > - Dov
> 

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Is 3D Distiller required to process U3D files in FM 8 ?

[Dov Isaacs]

Of course not!

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: edecr01 at luther.edu [mailto:edecr01 at luther.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:05 PM
> To: Dov Isaacs
> Cc: Art Campbell; Frame Users; Free Framers List
> Subject: RE: Is 3D Distiller required to process U3D files in FM 8 ?
> 
> Hi Dov,
> 
> That seems pretty clear. Did that statement make it into the Quick
Install
> docs for FrameMaker 8?
> 
> Craig Ede
> 
> > If you have ANY version of Acrobat 7 or 8 already installed on
> > your system, you absolutely DON'T want the castrated version of
> > Distiller that comes with FrameMaker 8!
> >
> > - Dov
> 

RE: Is 3D Distiller required to process U3D files in FM 8 ?

[Dov Isaacs]

If you have ANY version of Acrobat 7 or 8 already installed on
your system, you absolutely DON'T want the castrated version of
Distiller that comes with FrameMaker 8!

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:framers-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Art
Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 3:13 PM
> To: Frame Users; Free Framers List
> Subject: Is 3D Distiller required to process U3D files in FM 8 ?
> 
> I'm playing with the eval version of FM 8, installed on a system that
> already has Acrobat 8.1 Pro installed. The FM 8 installation refused
> to install the embedded distiller because a more current version
> already existed.
> 
> I've embedded a U3D file in a FM file, and everything looks good. The
> 3D menu is active and I can change background colors and suck.
> 
> But when I run it through the Acrobat 8.1 Pro distiller, there isn't
> any 3D functionality in the PDF.
> 
> So the question is whether the FM 8 embedded distiller or Acrobat 8 3D
> needs to be present in order to generate a 3D PDF from FM 8. Or if
> there's something else required that I'm missing.
> 
> Thanks,
> Art
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Is 3D Distiller required to process U3D files in FM 8 ?

[Dov Isaacs]

If you have ANY version of Acrobat 7 or 8 already installed on
your system, you absolutely DON'T want the castrated version of
Distiller that comes with FrameMaker 8!

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-
> bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art
Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 3:13 PM
> To: Frame Users; Free Framers List
> Subject: Is 3D Distiller required to process U3D files in FM 8 ?
> 
> I'm playing with the eval version of FM 8, installed on a system that
> already has Acrobat 8.1 Pro installed. The FM 8 installation refused
> to install the embedded distiller because a more current version
> already existed.
> 
> I've embedded a U3D file in a FM file, and everything looks good. The
> 3D menu is active and I can change background colors and suck.
> 
> But when I run it through the Acrobat 8.1 Pro distiller, there isn't
> any 3D functionality in the PDF.
> 
> So the question is whether the FM 8 embedded distiller or Acrobat 8 3D
> needs to be present in order to generate a 3D PDF from FM 8. Or if
> there's something else required that I'm missing.
> 
> Thanks,
> Art

RE: Adobe PrintMe Gone Away?

[Dov Isaacs]

Actually, there is/was no such thing as "Adobe PrintMe"!

I assume of course that you are referring to the function
that WAS in Acrobat 6 and 7 for printing.

That was actually a function provided by EFI (Electronics
for Imaging) that allowed you to access printers on their
internet-based network of EFI-managed printers. Adobe provided
the button, but had no other involvement in that feature. It
is not supported in Acrobat 8.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:42 AM
> To: framers
> Subject: Adobe PrintMe Gone Away?
> 
> The subject line says (asks) it all.
> 
> I had a few spare(?) minutes and chanced upon this nice litle thingy.
But after completing the signup
> fields, it comes back with "Creating user accounts is no longer
allowed."
> 
> Boo-hoo.
> 
> -- Ken in Atlanta
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Adobe PrintMe Gone Away?

[Dov Isaacs]

Actually, there is/was no such thing as "Adobe PrintMe"!

I assume of course that you are referring to the function
that WAS in Acrobat 6 and 7 for printing.

That was actually a function provided by EFI (Electronics
for Imaging) that allowed you to access printers on their
internet-based network of EFI-managed printers. Adobe provided
the button, but had no other involvement in that feature. It
is not supported in Acrobat 8.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: poshedly at bellsouth.net
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:42 AM
> To: framers
> Subject: Adobe PrintMe Gone Away?
> 
> The subject line says (asks) it all.
> 
> I had a few spare(?) minutes and chanced upon this nice litle thingy.
But after completing the signup
> fields, it comes back with "Creating user accounts is no longer
allowed."
> 
> Boo-hoo.
> 
> -- Ken in Atlanta

RE: first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Dov Isaacs]

If you in fact go over the two activation limit due to
equipment failure, call the phone number that appears on
your screen to talk with the Adobe Activation Center.
They are very understanding about such situations and
unless you abuse the privilege (such as having a hardware
failure every week), they will add an activation to your
copy via the activation server. There was quite a bit of
angst about the activation when it first appeared on
Photoshop 8 on Windows and then on CS2 for all products
and platforms. In reality, things worked out well with
relatively few hiccups. Most of the big complainers were
in fact users who previously tried to install one copy
of a program on a whole fleet of computers.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Syed Zaeem Hosain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:35 PM
> To: Dov Isaacs
> Cc: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; Sarah O'Keefe; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
> 
> Hi, Dov, et. al.
> 
> Dov Isaacs wrote:
> > The activation mechanism supports two activations such
> > that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if
> > you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third
> > system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system
> > which adds one back to your available activation count.
> > That system does work pretty well.
> 
> I believe that Acrobat 8 has something similar. I discovered
> that by accident ... my laptop died and I could not have gone
> through the process of DE-activation. When I loaded it onto a
> new replacement system, I got a screen message that it was being
> activated a second time (or some such info, as I recall badly
> now).
> 
> Since this license is only one machine anyway (I bought a second
> copy of Acrobat 8 for my home system), I did not worry about it
> at the time. I hope that this issue does not get in my way if
> this laptop (or OS load) croaks and I have to reload the OS in
> any way.
> 
> Z
> 
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first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Dov Isaacs]

If you in fact go over the two activation limit due to
equipment failure, call the phone number that appears on
your screen to talk with the Adobe Activation Center.
They are very understanding about such situations and
unless you abuse the privilege (such as having a hardware
failure every week), they will add an activation to your
copy via the activation server. There was quite a bit of
angst about the activation when it first appeared on
Photoshop 8 on Windows and then on CS2 for all products
and platforms. In reality, things worked out well with
relatively few hiccups. Most of the big complainers were
in fact users who previously tried to install one copy
of a program on a whole fleet of computers.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Syed Zaeem Hosain [mailto:Syed.Hosain at aeris.net]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:35 PM
> To: Dov Isaacs
> Cc: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; Sarah O'Keefe; framers at frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
> 
> Hi, Dov, et. al.
> 
> Dov Isaacs wrote:
> > The activation mechanism supports two activations such
> > that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if
> > you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third
> > system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system
> > which adds one back to your available activation count.
> > That system does work pretty well.
> 
> I believe that Acrobat 8 has something similar. I discovered
> that by accident ... my laptop died and I could not have gone
> through the process of DE-activation. When I loaded it onto a
> new replacement system, I got a screen message that it was being
> activated a second time (or some such info, as I recall badly
> now).
> 
> Since this license is only one machine anyway (I bought a second
> copy of Acrobat 8 for my home system), I did not worry about it
> at the time. I hope that this issue does not get in my way if
> this laptop (or OS load) croaks and I have to reload the OS in
> any way.
> 
> Z
> 

RE: first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Dov Isaacs]

Same

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Swallow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:29 PM
> To: Dov Isaacs
> Cc: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; Sarah O'Keefe; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
> 
> Yes, it works well in Acrobat. Or is this activation thing different
> from what was in Acrobat 8?
> 
> On 8/9/07, Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The activation mechanism supports two activations such
> > that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if
> > you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third
> > system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system
> > which adds one back to your available activation count.
> > That system does work pretty well.
> 
> --
> Bill Swallow
> HATT List Owner
> WWP-Users List Owner
> Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
> STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
> http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
> avid homebrewer and proud beer snob
> "I see your OOO message and raise you a clue."
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first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Dov Isaacs]

Same

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Swallow [mailto:techcommdood at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:29 PM
> To: Dov Isaacs
> Cc: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; Sarah O'Keefe; framers at frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
> 
> Yes, it works well in Acrobat. Or is this activation thing different
> from what was in Acrobat 8?
> 
> On 8/9/07, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
> > The activation mechanism supports two activations such
> > that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if
> > you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third
> > system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system
> > which adds one back to your available activation count.
> > That system does work pretty well.
> 
> --
> Bill Swallow
> HATT List Owner
> WWP-Users List Owner
> Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
> STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
> http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
> avid homebrewer and proud beer snob
> "I see your OOO message and raise you a clue."

RE: first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Dov Isaacs]

The activation mechanism supports two activations such
that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if
you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third
system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system
which adds one back to your available activation count.
That system does work pretty well.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:36 PM
> To: Sarah O'Keefe
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
> 
> Thanks, Sarah,
> 
> Lot of things here to support my suspicion that Adobe should have
> waited a couple of months with this release. We will probably see more
> than a couple of patches soon.
> 
> This registering thing: does it mean that we no longer can install the
> same FM on two computers like the license used to be (one at work or
> main computer and one at home or on a laptop, IIRC)?
> 
> Bodvar
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first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Dov Isaacs]

The activation mechanism supports two activations such
that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if
you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third
system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system
which adds one back to your available activation count.
That system does work pretty well.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:36 PM
> To: Sarah O'Keefe
> Cc: framers at frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
> 
> Thanks, Sarah,
> 
> Lot of things here to support my suspicion that Adobe should have
> waited a couple of months with this release. We will probably see more
> than a couple of patches soon.
> 
> This registering thing: does it mean that we no longer can install the
> same FM on two computers like the license used to be (one at work or
> main computer and one at home or on a laptop, IIRC)?
> 
> Bodvar

RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?

[Dov Isaacs]

PDFMaker as part of Acrobat 7 is not particularly problematic.
On the other hand, depending on the joboptions chosen, you certainly
can produce PDF files that can't be properly handled by older versions
of Acrobat and Reader.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Diane Gaskill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:37 AM
> To: Dov Isaacs; Framers (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?
> 
> Thanks Dov.  I'll bring this up at our next staff meeting.
> 
> One thing I forgot to mention.  Even though our new docs are in FM
> (finally!), we still have a lot of active docs in Word.  It's the PDFs
from
> Word that are giving us the problems.  We are using PDFMaker 7.0 from
Word.
> It's basically a Save As function.  Are there any known bugs with this
> method?
> 
> (I can hear the comments out there now - "Well, what do you expect
from
> Word?"  :-)
> 
> Diane
> ==

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Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?

[Dov Isaacs]

PDFMaker as part of Acrobat 7 is not particularly problematic.
On the other hand, depending on the joboptions chosen, you certainly
can produce PDF files that can't be properly handled by older versions
of Acrobat and Reader.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Diane Gaskill [mailto:dgcaller at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:37 AM
> To: Dov Isaacs; Framers (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?
> 
> Thanks Dov.  I'll bring this up at our next staff meeting.
> 
> One thing I forgot to mention.  Even though our new docs are in FM
> (finally!), we still have a lot of active docs in Word.  It's the PDFs
from
> Word that are giving us the problems.  We are using PDFMaker 7.0 from
Word.
> It's basically a Save As function.  Are there any known bugs with this
> method?
> 
> (I can hear the comments out there now - "Well, what do you expect
from
> Word?"  :-)
> 
> Diane
> ==

RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?

[Dov Isaacs]

That does not violate the rules assuming that the "Acrobat 7.0
Distiller" installed on your system is what is installed by
FrameMaker, is not just part of a full Acrobat 7 install, and
you have no other full Acrobat versions installed!

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Trevor Nicholls [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:40 AM
> 
> If this truly is the case, I do wish that Adobe Reader had not taken
it upon
> itself to offer me a "recommended upgrade" to Adobe Reader 8 when I
already
> had Framemaker 7.2 and Acrobat 7.0 Distiller installed on my system.
You'd
> think it would have shown a bit more prudence, wouldn't you?
> 
> I haven't had any problems - yet.
> 
> Cheers
> T
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dov Isaacs
> Sent: Monday, 6 August 2007 9:02 a.m.
> To: Diane Gaskill; Framers (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?
> 
> Although (very unfortunately), it is PHYSICALLY possible to
> have multiple versions of Adobe Acrobat concurrently installed,
> concurrent versions of Adobe Reader concurrently installed, or
> some combination of versions of both Acrobat and Reader installed,
> the truth is that the architecture of these programs and the
> underlying operating system services used by same really only
> fully supports installation of only one version of EITHER Adobe
> Acrobat or Adobe Reader on one system at one time.
> 

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Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?

[Dov Isaacs]

That does not violate the rules assuming that the "Acrobat 7.0
Distiller" installed on your system is what is installed by
FrameMaker, is not just part of a full Acrobat 7 install, and
you have no other full Acrobat versions installed!

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Trevor Nicholls [mailto:trevor at castingthevoid.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:40 AM
> 
> If this truly is the case, I do wish that Adobe Reader had not taken
it upon
> itself to offer me a "recommended upgrade" to Adobe Reader 8 when I
already
> had Framemaker 7.2 and Acrobat 7.0 Distiller installed on my system.
You'd
> think it would have shown a bit more prudence, wouldn't you?
> 
> I haven't had any problems - yet.
> 
> Cheers
> T
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dov Isaacs
> Sent: Monday, 6 August 2007 9:02 a.m.
> To: Diane Gaskill; Framers (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?
> 
> Although (very unfortunately), it is PHYSICALLY possible to
> have multiple versions of Adobe Acrobat concurrently installed,
> concurrent versions of Adobe Reader concurrently installed, or
> some combination of versions of both Acrobat and Reader installed,
> the truth is that the architecture of these programs and the
> underlying operating system services used by same really only
> fully supports installation of only one version of EITHER Adobe
> Acrobat or Adobe Reader on one system at one time.
> 

RE: Need 8 Install Help

[Dov Isaacs]

Did you fully uninstall the beta test copy FIRST before trying
to install the "trial" version? If not, you are probably hosed
until you get a license.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Randall Larson-Maynard
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 1:03 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Need 8 Install Help
> 
> I was a beta 8 tester.
> 
> Beta 8 expired yesterday. I downloaded the trial 8 copy and installed.
All went
> fine.
> 
> Started program, get splash screen for trial and since I have not
gotten a code
> yet, I click Continue Trial and then Next. I get a small dialog box
that says
> "Product license has expired."
> 
> Greatso I call India for support and they tell me to delete all
temp files.
> I do that, plus all the chk files. Still won't open past dialog box.
> 
> I tried setting my PC's clock, but then I get the same screen wanting
a code,
> which I do not have.
> 
> Anyone out there know the fix for this? Of course, I need to work with
Frame two
> hours ago!
> 
> --
> Randall Larson-Maynard
> Senior Editor/Curriculum Coordinator
> UC Davis, Office of the University Registrar
> RLLarsonMaynard(at)UCDavis.edu
> 530.752.6141
> Fax 530.752.0329
> Google Talk, AIM, & Yahoo! IM: rlarsonmaynard
> Registrar Editor SmartSite: https://sakai2.ucdavis.edu:8443/portal
> 
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Need 8 Install Help

[Dov Isaacs]

Did you fully uninstall the beta test copy FIRST before trying
to install the "trial" version? If not, you are probably hosed
until you get a license.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Randall Larson-Maynard
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 1:03 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Need 8 Install Help
> 
> I was a beta 8 tester.
> 
> Beta 8 expired yesterday. I downloaded the trial 8 copy and installed.
All went
> fine.
> 
> Started program, get splash screen for trial and since I have not
gotten a code
> yet, I click Continue Trial and then Next. I get a small dialog box
that says
> "Product license has expired."
> 
> Greatso I call India for support and they tell me to delete all
temp files.
> I do that, plus all the chk files. Still won't open past dialog box.
> 
> I tried setting my PC's clock, but then I get the same screen wanting
a code,
> which I do not have.
> 
> Anyone out there know the fix for this? Of course, I need to work with
Frame two
> hours ago!
> 
> --
> Randall Larson-Maynard
> Senior Editor/Curriculum Coordinator
> UC Davis, Office of the University Registrar
> RLLarsonMaynard(at)UCDavis.edu
> 530.752.6141
> Fax 530.752.0329
> Google Talk, AIM, & Yahoo! IM: rlarsonmaynard
> Registrar Editor SmartSite: https://sakai2.ucdavis.edu:8443/portal
> 

RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?

[Dov Isaacs]

Without seeing one of these PDF files that cause "problems" it
would be very difficult to know what is really going on. For what
it is worth, some of the current "clone" PDF readers (including the
Mac previewer) have problems with perfectly valid PDF files from
Acrobat (or exported from InDesign and Illustrator). So ...
I suspect you are doing about the best you can by urging users
to newer versions of Reader. Note that if I was saving PDF files
for the general public and I didn't have need for features such
as JPEG 2000 compression and some of more sophisticated internal
compression of objects in PDF 1.5 (Acrobat 6), I would save to
Acrobat 5 compatibility.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Diane Gaskill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 4:21 PM
> 
> Dov,
> 
> Amazing.  You described the exact problem we are concerned about at my
> company (and why I left Acrobat 5 on my system).  We are using Acrobat
7 but
> set the compatibility to Acrobat 6 in case some of our users are using
an
> older version.  But even so, we are getting some complaints from the
field
> that they can't open the PDF files.  After much discussion about
setting the
> compatibility back to Acrobrat 4, we decided instead to put a note on
the
> web page telling them to upgrade their copy of Reader if they are
having
> trouble opening the files.  We included the link to the Adobe download
page
> to encourage them to do it.  This is much better than conpromising the
> quality of the manuals because a few people have not updated their
systems.
> 
> The puzzling part of the problem was that I was able to open the files
on a
> system that has only Acrobat 5 installed.  I got a warning message
saying
> that some features might not be displayed correctly but the file did
open.
> The support guys at my company could not open the files at all.  If
you have
> any ideas on what the problem might be, I'd appreciate it.  Is there a
> difference between how Acrobat looks at a PDF file (for reading) than
Reader
> does?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Diane  (cleaning system now)
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Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?

[Dov Isaacs]

Without seeing one of these PDF files that cause "problems" it
would be very difficult to know what is really going on. For what
it is worth, some of the current "clone" PDF readers (including the
Mac previewer) have problems with perfectly valid PDF files from
Acrobat (or exported from InDesign and Illustrator). So ...
I suspect you are doing about the best you can by urging users
to newer versions of Reader. Note that if I was saving PDF files
for the general public and I didn't have need for features such
as JPEG 2000 compression and some of more sophisticated internal
compression of objects in PDF 1.5 (Acrobat 6), I would save to
Acrobat 5 compatibility.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Diane Gaskill [mailto:dgcaller at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 4:21 PM
> 
> Dov,
> 
> Amazing.  You described the exact problem we are concerned about at my
> company (and why I left Acrobat 5 on my system).  We are using Acrobat
7 but
> set the compatibility to Acrobat 6 in case some of our users are using
an
> older version.  But even so, we are getting some complaints from the
field
> that they can't open the PDF files.  After much discussion about
setting the
> compatibility back to Acrobrat 4, we decided instead to put a note on
the
> web page telling them to upgrade their copy of Reader if they are
having
> trouble opening the files.  We included the link to the Adobe download
page
> to encourage them to do it.  This is much better than conpromising the
> quality of the manuals because a few people have not updated their
systems.
> 
> The puzzling part of the problem was that I was able to open the files
on a
> system that has only Acrobat 5 installed.  I got a warning message
saying
> that some features might not be displayed correctly but the file did
open.
> The support guys at my company could not open the files at all.  If
you have
> any ideas on what the problem might be, I'd appreciate it.  Is there a
> difference between how Acrobat looks at a PDF file (for reading) than
Reader
> does?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Diane  (cleaning system now)

RE: Frame Versions Question

[Dov Isaacs]

My advice, for what it is worth, is to contact Adobe Customer
Support ASAP instead of relying on the guesses of those on the
list as to what might be legal, what Adobe might allow, etc.
Explain your situation and see whether they might be able to
make some reasonable accommodation for you, especially if you
are on some volume purchase plan. If necessary, ask for a 
supervisor.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Sharon Burton
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 4:38 PM
> 
> Because of how my employer purchases software, we can't buy from
someone who
> isn't Adobe when we buy Adobe software. It's a very frustrating
purchasing
> process.
> 
> We were hoping if we purchase 8, then it would sort of cover us on the
extra
> use of the 7.2 seats in a retroactive way. We would have, in fact,
enough
> seats of Frame, we just wouldn't use the 8 copies until we can bring
the
> entire group forward at the same time.
> 
> I can't figure out from the EULA if this is legal or not.
> 
> sharon
> 
> Sharon Burton
> CEO, Anthrobytes Consulting
> 951-369-8590
> www.anthrobytes.com
> 
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Frame Versions Question

[Dov Isaacs]

My advice, for what it is worth, is to contact Adobe Customer
Support ASAP instead of relying on the guesses of those on the
list as to what might be legal, what Adobe might allow, etc.
Explain your situation and see whether they might be able to
make some reasonable accommodation for you, especially if you
are on some volume purchase plan. If necessary, ask for a 
supervisor.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Sharon Burton
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 4:38 PM
> 
> Because of how my employer purchases software, we can't buy from
someone who
> isn't Adobe when we buy Adobe software. It's a very frustrating
purchasing
> process.
> 
> We were hoping if we purchase 8, then it would sort of cover us on the
extra
> use of the 7.2 seats in a retroactive way. We would have, in fact,
enough
> seats of Frame, we just wouldn't use the 8 copies until we can bring
the
> entire group forward at the same time.
> 
> I can't figure out from the EULA if this is legal or not.
> 
> sharon
> 
> Sharon Burton
> CEO, Anthrobytes Consulting
> 951-369-8590
> www.anthrobytes.com
> 

Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?

[Dov Isaacs]

Although (very unfortunately), it is PHYSICALLY possible to
have multiple versions of Adobe Acrobat concurrently installed,
concurrent versions of Adobe Reader concurrently installed, or
some combination of versions of both Acrobat and Reader installed,
the truth is that the architecture of these programs and the
underlying operating system services used by same really only
fully supports installation of only one version of EITHER Adobe
Acrobat or Adobe Reader on one system at one time.

I am sure we will get the inevitable responses from members of
this list that boast about how they have multiple versions and/or
mixtures of Acrobat and Reader concurrently installed and somehow
get some or most of the functionality to work for them. On the
other hand, there are a tremendous number of problems reported to
Adobe that are suddenly cleared up when the user's systems are
scraped of all concurrent versions of Acrobat and Reader, replaced
by a single version of one or another. (Note that by "Acrobat" I
mean any and all pieces of it including the Distiller, the AdobePDF
PostScript printer driver instance, and the viewing program!)

But, some list members will complain, how do I know what the 
recipients of my PDF file will see on their systems if I also
don't have a copy of Reader installed, or perhaps multiple versions
of Reader and Acrobat installed? The response to that is to have
test systems (or separate test partitions of your one system) that
have minimal software installations (especially fonts) and a copy
of the target version of Adobe Reader. That is the only way to 
truly simulate the user experience. For that matter, old, slower
systems are even more appropriate!

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Diane Gaskill
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 12:43 PM
> 
> I've read several discussions on this list about multiple versions of
FM
> runing on the same system (it works).  Can multiple versions of
Acrobat also
> run on the same system?  I recently installed Acrobat 7 on my system
(XP2)
> but did not uninstall Acrobat 5.  Acrobat 5 now displays an error
message
> and closes.
> 
> From the messages below, it sounds like the answer is no for
Distiller, but
> what about Acrobat itself?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Diane
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dov Isaacs
> 
> If you let FrameMaker's install perform the installation of
> the stand-alone Distiller, make absolutely sure you UNINSTALL
> that version of Distiller and reboot before attempting to
> install any version of Acrobat!
> 
>   - Dov

RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?

[Dov Isaacs]

Although (very unfortunately), it is PHYSICALLY possible to
have multiple versions of Adobe Acrobat concurrently installed,
concurrent versions of Adobe Reader concurrently installed, or
some combination of versions of both Acrobat and Reader installed,
the truth is that the architecture of these programs and the
underlying operating system services used by same really only
fully supports installation of only one version of EITHER Adobe
Acrobat or Adobe Reader on one system at one time.

I am sure we will get the inevitable responses from members of
this list that boast about how they have multiple versions and/or
mixtures of Acrobat and Reader concurrently installed and somehow
get some or most of the functionality to work for them. On the
other hand, there are a tremendous number of problems reported to
Adobe that are suddenly cleared up when the user's systems are
scraped of all concurrent versions of Acrobat and Reader, replaced
by a single version of one or another. (Note that by "Acrobat" I
mean any and all pieces of it including the Distiller, the AdobePDF
PostScript printer driver instance, and the viewing program!)

But, some list members will complain, how do I know what the 
recipients of my PDF file will see on their systems if I also
don't have a copy of Reader installed, or perhaps multiple versions
of Reader and Acrobat installed? The response to that is to have
test systems (or separate test partitions of your one system) that
have minimal software installations (especially fonts) and a copy
of the target version of Adobe Reader. That is the only way to 
truly simulate the user experience. For that matter, old, slower
systems are even more appropriate!

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Diane Gaskill
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 12:43 PM
> 
> I've read several discussions on this list about multiple versions of
FM
> runing on the same system (it works).  Can multiple versions of
Acrobat also
> run on the same system?  I recently installed Acrobat 7 on my system
(XP2)
> but did not uninstall Acrobat 5.  Acrobat 5 now displays an error
message
> and closes.
> 
> From the messages below, it sounds like the answer is no for
Distiller, but
> what about Acrobat itself?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Diane
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dov Isaacs
> 
> If you let FrameMaker's install perform the installation of
> the stand-alone Distiller, make absolutely sure you UNINSTALL
> that version of Distiller and reboot before attempting to
> install any version of Acrobat!
> 
>   - Dov
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RE: Frame 7.2 and Acrobat 7

[Dov Isaacs]

If you let FrameMaker's install perform the installation of
the stand-alone Distiller, make absolutely sure you UNINSTALL
that version of Distiller and reboot before attempting to
install any version of Acrobat!

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Art
Campbell
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:43 AM
> To: Doug
> Cc: Framers (E-mail); [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Frame 7.2 and Acrobat 7
> 
> The FM install puts on a limited version of Acrobat Distiller (not the
> entire Acrobat program) by spawning a second, spin-off installer.  So
> either abort that part of the install entirely, or install the entire
> version of Acrobat second, after FM.
> 
> Art
> 
> On 8/3/07, Doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I need to install these two apps on my new laptop, and was wondering
> > if it mattered which order I installed them in.  Hopefully the
install
> > programs have gotten smart enough so that it doesn't matter.
> >
> > --Doug
> > ___
> 
> --
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Frame 7.2 and Acrobat 7

[Dov Isaacs]

If you let FrameMaker's install perform the installation of
the stand-alone Distiller, make absolutely sure you UNINSTALL
that version of Distiller and reboot before attempting to
install any version of Acrobat!

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-
> bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art
Campbell
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:43 AM
> To: Doug
> Cc: Framers (E-mail); techcomm at user.itconsult.co.uk
> Subject: Re: Frame 7.2 and Acrobat 7
> 
> The FM install puts on a limited version of Acrobat Distiller (not the
> entire Acrobat program) by spawning a second, spin-off installer.  So
> either abort that part of the install entirely, or install the entire
> version of Acrobat second, after FM.
> 
> Art
> 
> On 8/3/07, Doug  wrote:
> > I need to install these two apps on my new laptop, and was wondering
> > if it mattered which order I installed them in.  Hopefully the
install
> > programs have gotten smart enough so that it doesn't matter.
> >
> > --Doug
> > ___
> 
> --
> Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
>   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent
>and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>  DoD 358

RE: Frame 7.2 and Acrobat 7

[Dov Isaacs]

It in fact does not make a difference. Just make sure that you
don't let FrameMaker 7.2 install its version of Distiller. Of course
you should also not have any other version of Acrobat (or for that
matter, any version of Reader) concurrently installed. Since this is
a "new laptop," this normally should not be a concern. However, many
laptops come with Adobe Reader preinstalled. If this is the case,
uninstall it first and reboot.

Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Doug
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:39 AM
> 
> I need to install these two apps on my new laptop, and was wondering
> if it mattered which order I installed them in.  Hopefully the install
> programs have gotten smart enough so that it doesn't matter.
> 
> --Doug
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Frame 7.2 and Acrobat 7

[Dov Isaacs]

It in fact does not make a difference. Just make sure that you
don't let FrameMaker 7.2 install its version of Distiller. Of course
you should also not have any other version of Acrobat (or for that
matter, any version of Reader) concurrently installed. Since this is
a "new laptop," this normally should not be a concern. However, many
laptops come with Adobe Reader preinstalled. If this is the case,
uninstall it first and reboot.

Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Doug
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:39 AM
> 
> I need to install these two apps on my new laptop, and was wondering
> if it mattered which order I installed them in.  Hopefully the install
> programs have gotten smart enough so that it doesn't matter.
> 
> --Doug

RE: right to left languages

[Dov Isaacs]

It certainly would be great, but such support is really
non-trivial to properly implement.

Claiming "support" of Arabic, Farsi, and Hebrew, requires 
full support for context alternates, special ligatures,
various vowel and vocalization marks, mixed left-to-right and
right-to-left text handling based on language and character set,
as well as spelling and hyphenation support.

Don't count on this support anytime in the near to midterm
future.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: ric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 6:21 PM
> To: Dov Isaacs; Flato, Gillian; Ann Zdunczyk; Graeme R Forbes;
framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: right to left languages
> 
> It would be great if the future FM versions support the Arabic /
Persian
> languages.
> Presently, we are forcing the FM to create Arabic language by using a
> Mirrored method, together with customised fonts.
> It's difficult but still workable as compared to Indesign ME. :)
> 
> - Ric
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dov Isaacs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Flato, Gillian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ann Zdunczyk"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Graeme R Forbes"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> 
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 7:00 AM
> Subject: RE: right to left languages
> 
> 
> FrameMaker 8 does NOT support right-to-left languages (Arabic,
> Farsi, Hebrew) other than display and entry of their Unicode
> characters. This is not true "support."
> 
> And Hebrew is not a "Cyrillic language."  :-)
> 
> - Dov
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:framers-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Flato,
> Gillian
> > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 3:49 PM
> > To: Ann Zdunczyk; Graeme R Forbes; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: RE: right to left languages
> >
> > We just saw a presentation today by Adobe introducing Frame 8. It
will
> > have support for Unicode and Cyrillic languages like Greek, Hebrew
and
> > Russian.
> >
> >
> > -Gillian
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right to left languages

[Dov Isaacs]

It certainly would be great, but such support is really
non-trivial to properly implement.

Claiming "support" of Arabic, Farsi, and Hebrew, requires 
full support for context alternates, special ligatures,
various vowel and vocalization marks, mixed left-to-right and
right-to-left text handling based on language and character set,
as well as spelling and hyphenation support.

Don't count on this support anytime in the near to midterm
future.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: ric [mailto:ric at ssds.com.sg]
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 6:21 PM
> To: Dov Isaacs; Flato, Gillian; Ann Zdunczyk; Graeme R Forbes;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: right to left languages
> 
> It would be great if the future FM versions support the Arabic /
Persian
> languages.
> Presently, we are forcing the FM to create Arabic language by using a
> Mirrored method, together with customised fonts.
> It's difficult but still workable as compared to Indesign ME. :)
> 
> - Ric
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dov Isaacs" 
> To: "Flato, Gillian" ; "Ann Zdunczyk"
> ; "Graeme R Forbes"
;
> 
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 7:00 AM
> Subject: RE: right to left languages
> 
> 
> FrameMaker 8 does NOT support right-to-left languages (Arabic,
> Farsi, Hebrew) other than display and entry of their Unicode
> characters. This is not true "support."
> 
> And Hebrew is not a "Cyrillic language."  :-)
> 
> - Dov
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-
> > bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Flato,
> Gillian
> > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 3:49 PM
> > To: Ann Zdunczyk; Graeme R Forbes; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: RE: right to left languages
> >
> > We just saw a presentation today by Adobe introducing Frame 8. It
will
> > have support for Unicode and Cyrillic languages like Greek, Hebrew
and
> > Russian.
> >
> >
> > -Gillian
> ___

RE: right to left languages

[Dov Isaacs]

FrameMaker 8 does NOT support right-to-left languages (Arabic,
Farsi, Hebrew) other than display and entry of their Unicode 
characters. This is not true "support."

And Hebrew is not a "Cyrillic language."  :-)

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:framers-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Flato,
Gillian
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 3:49 PM
> To: Ann Zdunczyk; Graeme R Forbes; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: right to left languages
> 
> We just saw a presentation today by Adobe introducing Frame 8. It will
> have support for Unicode and Cyrillic languages like Greek, Hebrew and
> Russian.
> 
> 
> -Gillian
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right to left languages

[Dov Isaacs]

FrameMaker 8 does NOT support right-to-left languages (Arabic,
Farsi, Hebrew) other than display and entry of their Unicode 
characters. This is not true "support."

And Hebrew is not a "Cyrillic language."  :-)

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-
> bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Flato,
Gillian
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 3:49 PM
> To: Ann Zdunczyk; Graeme R Forbes; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: right to left languages
> 
> We just saw a presentation today by Adobe introducing Frame 8. It will
> have support for Unicode and Cyrillic languages like Greek, Hebrew and
> Russian.
> 
> 
> -Gillian

RE: Frame 8 - unicode support

[Dov Isaacs]

Yes, Microsoft Word (Windows only) provides this support.
InDesign ME offers this support (both platforms); maybe future
versions of InDesign might also natively support right-to-left.

 

- Dov

 



From: Peter Courlis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:42 AM
To: Dov Isaacs; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers list
Subject: RE: Frame 8 - unicode support

 

Hello

I am sure that this question has been "kneaded" 100 times, on this list,

but I've missed it...

Is there a S/W application or DTP S/W that is used for 
Arabic, Farsi (left to right) languages in popular use, today?

thanks

peter

Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Absolutely NOT!

FrameMaker does NOT support right-to-left languages
such as Hebrew, Arabic, and Farsi. You can type the
Unicode characters, but they will appear left-to-right
and the various language rules (context sensitive rules,
ligatures, etc.) are not obeyed.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:19 AM
> To: framers list
> Subject: Frame 8 - unicode support
> 
> Does anyone know, does Frame 8's unicode support mean that it will now
support languages like Persian
> and Dari?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Paul

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Frame 8 - unicode support

[Dov Isaacs]

Yes, Microsoft Word (Windows only) provides this support.
InDesign ME offers this support (both platforms); maybe future
versions of InDesign might also natively support right-to-left.



- Dov





From: Peter Courlis [mailto:neat_g...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:42 AM
To: Dov Isaacs; obair81 at comcast.net; framers list
Subject: RE: Frame 8 - unicode support



Hello

I am sure that this question has been "kneaded" 100 times, on this list,

but I've missed it...

Is there a S/W application or DTP S/W that is used for 
Arabic, Farsi (left to right) languages in popular use, today?

thanks

peter

Dov Isaacs  wrote:

Absolutely NOT!

FrameMaker does NOT support right-to-left languages
such as Hebrew, Arabic, and Farsi. You can type the
Unicode characters, but they will appear left-to-right
and the various language rules (context sensitive rules,
ligatures, etc.) are not obeyed.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-
> bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
obair81 at comcast.net
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:19 AM
> To: framers list
> Subject: Frame 8 - unicode support
> 
> Does anyone know, does Frame 8's unicode support mean that it will now
support languages like Persian
> and Dari?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Paul

RE: Frame 8 - unicode support

[Dov Isaacs]

Absolutely NOT!

FrameMaker does NOT support right-to-left languages
such as Hebrew, Arabic, and Farsi. You can type the
Unicode characters, but they will appear left-to-right
and the various language rules (context sensitive rules,
ligatures, etc.) are not obeyed.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:19 AM
> To: framers list
> Subject: Frame 8 - unicode support
> 
> Does anyone know, does Frame 8's unicode support mean that it will now
support languages like Persian
> and Dari?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Paul
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Frame 8 - unicode support

[Dov Isaacs]

Absolutely NOT!

FrameMaker does NOT support right-to-left languages
such as Hebrew, Arabic, and Farsi. You can type the
Unicode characters, but they will appear left-to-right
and the various language rules (context sensitive rules,
ligatures, etc.) are not obeyed.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-
> bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
obair81 at comcast.net
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:19 AM
> To: framers list
> Subject: Frame 8 - unicode support
> 
> Does anyone know, does Frame 8's unicode support mean that it will now
support languages like Persian
> and Dari?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Paul
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RE: FrameMaker in Hebrew

[Dov Isaacs]

Nope!

- Dov 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:17 AM
> To: Reng, Winfried Dr.; Framers
> Subject: Re: FrameMaker in Hebrew
> 
> If it doesn't support right to left, I saw a set of fonts advertised 
> that claim that they add right to left functionality. Perhaps 
> that will 
> work for Frame.
> 
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Reng, Winfried Dr. wrote:
> > Hi Dov,
> >
> > I don't know whether it is allowed to tell that.
> > FrameMaker 8 was said to support Unicode. Will it
> > also support right-to-left languages?
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Winfried
> >
> >   
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> ]On Behalf
> >> Of Dov Isaacs
> >> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 9:15 AM
> >> To: Marc Creaghan; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> >> Subject: RE: FrameMaker in Hebrew
> >>
> >>
> >> (1)The current version of FrameMaker is not
> >> a Unicode application and cannot readily map the
> >> Hebrew Unicode character set to FrameMaker's own
> >> internal character set.
> >>
> >> (2)Even if you were to map the character set,
> >> FrameMaker does not have the ability to deal with
> >> right-to-left languages including Hebrew, Arabic,
> >> and Farsi.
> >>
> >> FrameMaker does not work in Hebrew!
> >>
> >>- Dov
> >>
> >>  
> >>
> >> 
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Marc Creaghan
> >>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 10:30 AM
> >>>
> >>>Hi Everybody,
> >>>
> >>>I have one more quick question:
> >>>
> >>>Does FrameMaker work well in Hebrew?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks in advance for your help.
> >>>
> >>>Marc
> >>>   
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FrameMaker in Hebrew

[Dov Isaacs]

Nope!

- Dov 

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com]
>  On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:17 AM
> To: Reng, Winfried Dr.; Framers
> Subject: Re: FrameMaker in Hebrew
> 
> If it doesn't support right to left, I saw a set of fonts advertised 
> that claim that they add right to left functionality. Perhaps 
> that will 
> work for Frame.
> 
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Reng, Winfried Dr. wrote:
> > Hi Dov,
> >
> > I don't know whether it is allowed to tell that.
> > FrameMaker 8 was said to support Unicode. Will it
> > also support right-to-left languages?
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Winfried
> >
> >   
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com
> >> [mailto:framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com
> >> ]On Behalf
> >> Of Dov Isaacs
> >> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 9:15 AM
> >> To: Marc Creaghan; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> >> Subject: RE: FrameMaker in Hebrew
> >>
> >>
> >> (1)The current version of FrameMaker is not
> >> a Unicode application and cannot readily map the
> >> Hebrew Unicode character set to FrameMaker's own
> >> internal character set.
> >>
> >> (2)Even if you were to map the character set,
> >> FrameMaker does not have the ability to deal with
> >> right-to-left languages including Hebrew, Arabic,
> >> and Farsi.
> >>
> >> FrameMaker does not work in Hebrew!
> >>
> >>- Dov
> >>
> >>  
> >>
> >> 
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Marc Creaghan
> >>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 10:30 AM
> >>>
> >>>Hi Everybody,
> >>>
> >>>I have one more quick question:
> >>>
> >>>Does FrameMaker work well in Hebrew?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks in advance for your help.
> >>>
> >>>Marc
> >>>   
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RE: FrameMaker in Hebrew

[Dov Isaacs]

(1) The current version of FrameMaker is not
a Unicode application and cannot readily map the
Hebrew Unicode character set to FrameMaker's own
internal character set.

(2) Even if you were to map the character set,
FrameMaker does not have the ability to deal with
right-to-left languages including Hebrew, Arabic,
and Farsi.

FrameMaker does not work in Hebrew!

- Dov

 

> -Original Message-
> From: Marc Creaghan
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 10:30 AM
> 
>Hi Everybody,
> 
>I have one more quick question:
> 
>Does FrameMaker work well in Hebrew?
> 
>Thanks in advance for your help.
> 
>Marc
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FrameMaker in Hebrew

[Dov Isaacs]

(1) The current version of FrameMaker is not
a Unicode application and cannot readily map the
Hebrew Unicode character set to FrameMaker's own
internal character set.

(2) Even if you were to map the character set,
FrameMaker does not have the ability to deal with
right-to-left languages including Hebrew, Arabic,
and Farsi.

FrameMaker does not work in Hebrew!

- Dov



> -Original Message-
> From: Marc Creaghan
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 10:30 AM
> 
>Hi Everybody,
> 
>I have one more quick question:
> 
>Does FrameMaker work well in Hebrew?
> 
>Thanks in advance for your help.
> 
>Marc

RE: Limit printing feature?

[Dov Isaacs]

You absolutely couldn't. That is the limit of
the technology. Once one has hard copy, it can always
be reproduced, albeit at reduced quality.

The same thing is true with the screen. If I show the
pixels on the screen, I can programmatically prevent
screen shots, but I cannot prevent someone from photographing
the screen!

- Dov 

> -Original Message-
> From: Yves Barbion
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 2:50 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Limit printing feature?
> 
> And how would you prevent a "mass photocopying" then?
> 
> Yves Barbion 
> Documentation Architect
> Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
> 
> 
> Scripto bvba
> Asselsstraat 65
> 9031 Gent
> Belgium
> T: +32 494 12 01 89
> F: +32 9 366 50 23
> BTW (VAT) BE 0886.192.394
> skype: yves.barbion
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dov Isaacs wrote:
> > Adobe's LiveCycle server product can provide such
> > services.
> >
> > - Dov 
> >
> >   
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From:  Gutierrez, Anita
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 11:26 AM
> >> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> >> Subject: OT: Limit printing feature?
> >>
> >> Hi Framers,
> >>  
> >> Does anyone know of a plug-in or product that allows you to 
> >> specify the number of times a PDF can be printed before 
> >> disabling the print feature?
> >> We want to distribute a document to business partners and let 
> >> them print one or two copies for their own use, but not do a 
> >> mass printing for customers.
> >>  
> >> Any clues will be much appreciated.
> >>  
> >> Anita
> >>  
> >>  
> >>  
> >> Anita Maria Gutierrez
> >> Principal Curriculum Developer
> >> Sage Software
> >> 15195 NW Greenbrier Parkway
> >> Beaverton, Oregon 97006
> >> (503) 439-7286
> >> 
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Limit printing feature?

[Dov Isaacs]

You absolutely couldn't. That is the limit of
the technology. Once one has hard copy, it can always
be reproduced, albeit at reduced quality.

The same thing is true with the screen. If I show the
pixels on the screen, I can programmatically prevent
screen shots, but I cannot prevent someone from photographing
the screen!

- Dov 

> -Original Message-
> From: Yves Barbion
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 2:50 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Limit printing feature?
> 
> And how would you prevent a "mass photocopying" then?
> 
> Yves Barbion 
> Documentation Architect
> Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
> 
> 
> Scripto bvba
> Asselsstraat 65
> 9031 Gent
> Belgium
> T: +32 494 12 01 89
> F: +32 9 366 50 23
> BTW (VAT) BE 0886.192.394
> skype: yves.barbion
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dov Isaacs wrote:
> > Adobe's LiveCycle server product can provide such
> > services.
> >
> > - Dov 
> >
> >   
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From:  Gutierrez, Anita
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 11:26 AM
> >> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> >> Subject: OT: Limit printing feature?
> >>
> >> Hi Framers,
> >>  
> >> Does anyone know of a plug-in or product that allows you to 
> >> specify the number of times a PDF can be printed before 
> >> disabling the print feature?
> >> We want to distribute a document to business partners and let 
> >> them print one or two copies for their own use, but not do a 
> >> mass printing for customers.
> >>  
> >> Any clues will be much appreciated.
> >>  
> >> Anita
> >>  
> >>  
> >>  
> >> Anita Maria Gutierrez
> >> Principal Curriculum Developer
> >> Sage Software
> >> 15195 NW Greenbrier Parkway
> >> Beaverton, Oregon 97006
> >> (503) 439-7286
> >> 

Limit printing feature?

[Dov Isaacs]

Adobe's LiveCycle server product can provide such
services.

- Dov 

> -Original Message-
> From:  Gutierrez, Anita
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 11:26 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: OT: Limit printing feature?
> 
> Hi Framers,
>  
> Does anyone know of a plug-in or product that allows you to 
> specify the number of times a PDF can be printed before 
> disabling the print feature?
> We want to distribute a document to business partners and let 
> them print one or two copies for their own use, but not do a 
> mass printing for customers.
>  
> Any clues will be much appreciated.
>  
> Anita
>  
>  
>  
> Anita Maria Gutierrez
> Principal Curriculum Developer
> Sage Software
> 15195 NW Greenbrier Parkway
> Beaverton, Oregon 97006
> (503) 439-7286

RE: Limit printing feature?

[Dov Isaacs]

Adobe's LiveCycle server product can provide such
services.

- Dov 

> -Original Message-
> From:  Gutierrez, Anita
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 11:26 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: OT: Limit printing feature?
> 
> Hi Framers,
>  
> Does anyone know of a plug-in or product that allows you to 
> specify the number of times a PDF can be printed before 
> disabling the print feature?
> We want to distribute a document to business partners and let 
> them print one or two copies for their own use, but not do a 
> mass printing for customers.
>  
> Any clues will be much appreciated.
>  
> Anita
>  
>  
>  
> Anita Maria Gutierrez
> Principal Curriculum Developer
> Sage Software
> 15195 NW Greenbrier Parkway
> Beaverton, Oregon 97006
> (503) 439-7286
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RE: Acrobat 8/8.1 Dropping Text in PDF

[Dov Isaacs]

The trouble with this whole problem is that we are
most likely dealing with secondary and tertiary effects
of whatever the "real" problem is.

- Dov
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Jacob Schäffer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 5:45 PM
> 
> Dov,
> 
> You wrote:
> > (2) So far we haven't seen the NUMBER of fonts as the key 
> variable as 
> > to what causes corruption or too large a font cache file. As I have 
> > indicated in early communications, my systems routinely run 
> with about 
> > 1400 to 1600 active typefaces, all concurrently installed.
> 
>   We have several customers where removing supernumerary 
> fonts from their systems actually solved the text drop out 
> problem. Perhaps this font removal forced the system to 
> refresh FNTCACHE.dat -- which seem quite likely given the 
> number of fonts we removed, 500+ (that said, I urge all 
> Framemaker users to remember that fonts to remove must be 
> selected in meticulous detail to avoid deleting vital system fonts.)
> 
> - Jacob
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Acrobat 8/8.1 Dropping Text in PDF

[Dov Isaacs]

The trouble with this whole problem is that we are
most likely dealing with secondary and tertiary effects
of whatever the "real" problem is.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Jacob Sch?ffer [mailto:js at grafikhuset.dk] 
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 5:45 PM
> 
> Dov,
> 
> You wrote:
> > (2) So far we haven't seen the NUMBER of fonts as the key 
> variable as 
> > to what causes corruption or too large a font cache file. As I have 
> > indicated in early communications, my systems routinely run 
> with about 
> > 1400 to 1600 active typefaces, all concurrently installed.
> 
>   We have several customers where removing supernumerary 
> fonts from their systems actually solved the text drop out 
> problem. Perhaps this font removal forced the system to 
> refresh FNTCACHE.dat -- which seem quite likely given the 
> number of fonts we removed, 500+ (that said, I urge all 
> Framemaker users to remember that fonts to remove must be 
> selected in meticulous detail to avoid deleting vital system fonts.)
> 
> - Jacob
> 

RE: Acrobat 8/8.1 Dropping Text in PDF

[Dov Isaacs]

Jacob,

Good to hear from you.

(1) No, I wasn't referring to "leading" but rather the
exact positioning and amount of space between text characters
on a line of text. Obviously 72dpi is going to look very
poor. I normally recommend a setting of 600dpi for all
layout work (and then always creating PDF with the Adobe PDF
PostScript printer driver instance set to 600dpi) to assure 
no reflow problems - a big problem with Microsoft Office and
probably much less of a problem with FrameMaker (Shlomo says
he has seen this; I haven't so far). I do not advise going
below the 300dpi setting. For most FrameMaker type documents,
any fine spacing quality loss at 300dpi compared to 600dpi
or 1200dpi would normally be quite acceptable.

(2) So far we haven't seen the NUMBER of fonts as the key
variable as to what causes corruption or too large a
font cache file. As I have indicated in early communications,
my systems routinely run with about 1400 to 1600 active 
typefaces, all concurrently installed.

One area that I would have others look at is the size of
the virtual memory file. Disable automatic paging files
and enable a constant paging file size of at least twice
the amount of real memory in the system which in reality
means a four to six gigabyte paging file. I am only 
speculating about this, but you never know.

(3) With regards to the GDI calls, FrameMaker's code still
uses very old (Windows 3.x) GDI calls that are very resolution
dependent and that can yield multiplication results that 
overflow 16 bits if you are talking about higher resolutions
and larger page sizes. As I indicated there is a known problem
due to these overflows that cause text drop out on systems
that don't suffer from the problem fixed by the font cache
deletion hack. (For example, this problem is consistent on
all systems for page size "tabloid" for 2400 dpi for the
same document!) The other problem occurs when this overflow
should not be a problem. The problem is that the GDI calls
used by FrameMaker are not really being maintained by Microsoft;
it's likely that there are bugs that have infested that area
of the code that are somehow tickled by FrameMaker and its
interesting remapping of character sets. But we really don't
know what is causing the problems.

(4) Because we can't debug problems we can't reproduce,
this whole issue is exceptionally frustrating not only to
the limited number of customers who repeatedly experience
it on particular computer systems, but also to the FrameMaker
support and development organization.

- Dov


 

> -Original Message-
> From: Jacob Schäffer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:05 PM
> 
> Hi Dov,
> 
> Normally I don't argue your statements, but sometimes 
> exceptions exists and require a tiny dialog:
> 
> You wrote:
> < ... Lowering the resolution down to 300dpi only affects 
> microspacing for line justification. >
> 
>   First, I'm not completely sure what you mean when you 
> say "line justification". My mistake, but if you mean 
> "leading" I don't think of this as a problem. However, if you 
> mean "character spacing" I don't believe your statement is 
> entirely correct.
> 
>   In my judgement lowering resolution (in printer 
> properties, which I assume you refer to) to anything less 
> than 1200 dpi WILL affect character spacing output from 
> FrameMaker. If you try with 72 dpi and compare the result 
> (e.g. in a PDF) with a similar 1200 dpi result I'm sure 
> you'll agree. Often, but not always, you'll find serious and 
> very visible spacing artifacts in the 72 dpi result.
> 
>   Hence, generally I'd hold my horses and keep resolution 
> up, at least to 600 dpi.
> 
> You wrote:
> < We have heard of customers experiencing it on some systems 
> but not others using "allegely" the same document and 
> configuration. We have even seen internally at Adobe, but 
> cannot reproduce it at will. >
> 
>   I have worked with this issue weeks and weeks to find a 
> reasonable and reproduceable scenario, since several of our 
> Grafikhuset Publi PDF customers ask us for advice. 
> Unfortunately, we haven't found a bullet-proof answer so far. 
> The best we have to answer is 
> 
> (1) Reduce the number of fonts to a minimum.
> 
> (2) Delete the FNTCACHE.DAT file and reboot.
> 
> You wrote:
> < Note however, I have heard of at least one system for which 
> this hack did not work. Why does this happen? And why does 
> deleting the font cache fix it? Don't really know! >
> 
>   We have tested with a debugger and tried to nail down 
> memory leaks in FrameMaker. No *significant* such beasts seem 
> to exist with FrameMaker. Bravo!
> 
> You wrote:
> < It has nothing to do with Acrobat or the Adobe PDF 
> PostScript driver instance. >
> 
>   This problem has definitely nothing to do with Acrobat 
> nor the Adobe PDF PostScript driver instance. It occur during 
> PostScript creation via a combination of GDI, GDI+ and the 
> universal Windows Pos

Acrobat 8/8.1 Dropping Text in PDF

[Dov Isaacs]

Jacob,

Good to hear from you.

(1) No, I wasn't referring to "leading" but rather the
exact positioning and amount of space between text characters
on a line of text. Obviously 72dpi is going to look very
poor. I normally recommend a setting of 600dpi for all
layout work (and then always creating PDF with the Adobe PDF
PostScript printer driver instance set to 600dpi) to assure 
no reflow problems - a big problem with Microsoft Office and
probably much less of a problem with FrameMaker (Shlomo says
he has seen this; I haven't so far). I do not advise going
below the 300dpi setting. For most FrameMaker type documents,
any fine spacing quality loss at 300dpi compared to 600dpi
or 1200dpi would normally be quite acceptable.

(2) So far we haven't seen the NUMBER of fonts as the key
variable as to what causes corruption or too large a
font cache file. As I have indicated in early communications,
my systems routinely run with about 1400 to 1600 active 
typefaces, all concurrently installed.

One area that I would have others look at is the size of
the virtual memory file. Disable automatic paging files
and enable a constant paging file size of at least twice
the amount of real memory in the system which in reality
means a four to six gigabyte paging file. I am only 
speculating about this, but you never know.

(3) With regards to the GDI calls, FrameMaker's code still
uses very old (Windows 3.x) GDI calls that are very resolution
dependent and that can yield multiplication results that 
overflow 16 bits if you are talking about higher resolutions
and larger page sizes. As I indicated there is a known problem
due to these overflows that cause text drop out on systems
that don't suffer from the problem fixed by the font cache
deletion hack. (For example, this problem is consistent on
all systems for page size "tabloid" for 2400 dpi for the
same document!) The other problem occurs when this overflow
should not be a problem. The problem is that the GDI calls
used by FrameMaker are not really being maintained by Microsoft;
it's likely that there are bugs that have infested that area
of the code that are somehow tickled by FrameMaker and its
interesting remapping of character sets. But we really don't
know what is causing the problems.

(4) Because we can't debug problems we can't reproduce,
this whole issue is exceptionally frustrating not only to
the limited number of customers who repeatedly experience
it on particular computer systems, but also to the FrameMaker
support and development organization.

- Dov




> -Original Message-
> From: Jacob Sch?ffer [mailto:js at grafikhuset.dk] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:05 PM
> 
> Hi Dov,
> 
> Normally I don't argue your statements, but sometimes 
> exceptions exists and require a tiny dialog:
> 
> You wrote:
> < ... Lowering the resolution down to 300dpi only affects 
> microspacing for line justification. >
> 
>   First, I'm not completely sure what you mean when you 
> say "line justification". My mistake, but if you mean 
> "leading" I don't think of this as a problem. However, if you 
> mean "character spacing" I don't believe your statement is 
> entirely correct.
> 
>   In my judgement lowering resolution (in printer 
> properties, which I assume you refer to) to anything less 
> than 1200 dpi WILL affect character spacing output from 
> FrameMaker. If you try with 72 dpi and compare the result 
> (e.g. in a PDF) with a similar 1200 dpi result I'm sure 
> you'll agree. Often, but not always, you'll find serious and 
> very visible spacing artifacts in the 72 dpi result.
> 
>   Hence, generally I'd hold my horses and keep resolution 
> up, at least to 600 dpi.
> 
> You wrote:
> < We have heard of customers experiencing it on some systems 
> but not others using "allegely" the same document and 
> configuration. We have even seen internally at Adobe, but 
> cannot reproduce it at will. >
> 
>   I have worked with this issue weeks and weeks to find a 
> reasonable and reproduceable scenario, since several of our 
> Grafikhuset Publi PDF customers ask us for advice. 
> Unfortunately, we haven't found a bullet-proof answer so far. 
> The best we have to answer is 
> 
> (1) Reduce the number of fonts to a minimum.
> 
> (2) Delete the FNTCACHE.DAT file and reboot.
> 
> You wrote:
> < Note however, I have heard of at least one system for which 
> this hack did not work. Why does this happen? And why does 
> deleting the font cache fix it? Don't really know! >
> 
>   We have tested with a debugger and tried to nail down 
> memory leaks in FrameMaker. No *significant* such beasts seem 
> to exist with FrameMaker. Bravo!
> 
> You wrote:
> < It has nothing to do with Acrobat or the Adobe PDF 
> PostScript driver instance. >
> 
>   This problem has definitely nothing to do with Acrobat 
> nor the Adobe PDF PostScript driver instance. It occur during 
> PostScript creation via a combination of GDI, GDI+ and the 
> universal Windows 

RE: Acrobat 8/8.1 Dropping Text in PDF

[Dov Isaacs]

I'll endorse Art's response here! And both add to it and
refine it a tad ...

There are two distinct sets of "missing text" scenarios
that we know about.

The first such scenario is a associated with larger page
sizes and higher resolutions. As you go beyond US Letter 
and A4 paper sizes, field overflow associated with intermediate
byproduct of the product of multiplying a page location by
the resolution can readily overflow a 16-bit signed field
and cause the "location" of text or other graphic objects
to go negative (off the page). This scenario is totally
repeatable between systems if you use the same settings.
The cure is to either cut the resolution value (as you
can readily do with printing to the Adobe PDF PostScript
printer driver instance or by cutting the page size.
Generally speaking, the former is easiest and safest (esp.
when creating PDF). Lowering the resolution down to 300dpi
only affects microspacing for line justification. 

The second scenario is as Art describes it. We have heard
of customers experiencing it on some systems but not others
using "allegely" the same document and configuration. We
have even seen internally at Adobe, but cannot reproduce
it at will. On most systems, deleting the FNTCACHE.DAT file
followed by a reboot will "solve" the problem, at least for
a while. I have suggested that systems with this problem
be fitted with a logout script that automatically does this
delete every time you "bring down" your system and thus
proactively avoid repeats. Note however, I have heard of at
least one system for which this hack did not work.
Why does this happen? And why does deleting the font cache
fix it? Don't really know! It has nothing to do with Acrobat
or the Adobe PDF PostScript driver instance. Since application
programs, including FrameMaker, do not and cannot directly
access the FNTCACHE.DAT file, I can only guess that whatever
is causing this is the byproduct of FrameMaker having its own
character set and of its use of old Windows GDI calls for
display and print.

Note that from our experience, the number of fonts on a
system doesn't seem to be a common vector for this
problem to occur. I typically have more than 1400 typefaces
installed oncurrently on each of my systems and for better
or worse, I'v never been able to duplicate the problem
on these systems!

We will need to see whether the next major release of
FrameMaker resolves the problem once and for all!  :-)

- Dov



> -Original Message-
> From: Art Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:57 AM
> To: David Spreadbury
> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Acrobat 8/8.1 Dropping Text in PDF
> 
> David,
> 
> This comes up often enough that it should be a FAQ; there are 
> reams of information in the archives here and in the Adobe FM 
> User Forum (where there's a full discussion; I think Adobe 
> may have issued a tech note).
> 
> Near as anyone can figure, one known problem is a combination 
> of Windows and Frame font handling. Try this:
> 
> Find the C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT file and note its 
> size. Then delete it. Reboot the system; the font cache will 
> be rebuilt. Don't open other applications, especially 
> browsers that may hit the font cache. Print the file to PDF.
> 
> If that clears the problem, you may want to look at reducing 
> the number of fonts on your system, especially the CJK fonts. 
> By most reports, if the FNTCACHE.DAT file tops 2,000, the bug 
> surfaces. The fix will work for a while, but will need to be 
> repeated unless you can remove enough fonts to get below 
> whatever your system's threshold is.
> 
> Art
> 
> On 6/21/07, David Spreadbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > We are running into a similar problem since upgrading to 
> Acrobat 8 from Acrobat 7.
> >
> >   We purchased the CS3 set, Illustrator, Photoshop, and Acrobat.
> >
> >   When we create a Postscript file from FrameMaker 7.2p158, 
> the PDF has random missing text. Sometimes complete pages, 
> othertimes maybe a few words in a sentence.
> >
> >   Of four systems, three are experiencing this problem.
> >
> >   We have completely removed Acrobat from these machines 
> and reinstalled. I say completely because we let Windows 
> delete the Acrobat instance through Control Panel, then 
> manually removed all instances of Acrobat 8 from C:\Program 
> Files\Adobe\Acrobat.
> >
> >   Then reinstalled Acrobat from the CS3 DVD. Problem remains.
> >   One user when so far as to install Acrobat 7, instead of 
> Acrobat 8, problem still exists.
> >
> >   I have deleted the AdobePDF prineter instance and 
> manually created it. Problem still exists.
> >
> >   One thing we are seeing is that the postscript file size 
> is considerably larger when the PDF fails.
> >
> >   4,285 is a good PDF
> >   4,940 is a corrupted PDF.
> >
> >   Any have any ideas???
> >
> >   Please respond directly as I am on Digest.
> > -
> -- 
> Art Campbell   

Acrobat 8/8.1 Dropping Text in PDF

[Dov Isaacs]

I'll endorse Art's response here! And both add to it and
refine it a tad ...

There are two distinct sets of "missing text" scenarios
that we know about.

The first such scenario is a associated with larger page
sizes and higher resolutions. As you go beyond US Letter 
and A4 paper sizes, field overflow associated with intermediate
byproduct of the product of multiplying a page location by
the resolution can readily overflow a 16-bit signed field
and cause the "location" of text or other graphic objects
to go negative (off the page). This scenario is totally
repeatable between systems if you use the same settings.
The cure is to either cut the resolution value (as you
can readily do with printing to the Adobe PDF PostScript
printer driver instance or by cutting the page size.
Generally speaking, the former is easiest and safest (esp.
when creating PDF). Lowering the resolution down to 300dpi
only affects microspacing for line justification. 

The second scenario is as Art describes it. We have heard
of customers experiencing it on some systems but not others
using "allegely" the same document and configuration. We
have even seen internally at Adobe, but cannot reproduce
it at will. On most systems, deleting the FNTCACHE.DAT file
followed by a reboot will "solve" the problem, at least for
a while. I have suggested that systems with this problem
be fitted with a logout script that automatically does this
delete every time you "bring down" your system and thus
proactively avoid repeats. Note however, I have heard of at
least one system for which this hack did not work.
Why does this happen? And why does deleting the font cache
fix it? Don't really know! It has nothing to do with Acrobat
or the Adobe PDF PostScript driver instance. Since application
programs, including FrameMaker, do not and cannot directly
access the FNTCACHE.DAT file, I can only guess that whatever
is causing this is the byproduct of FrameMaker having its own
character set and of its use of old Windows GDI calls for
display and print.

Note that from our experience, the number of fonts on a
system doesn't seem to be a common vector for this
problem to occur. I typically have more than 1400 typefaces
installed oncurrently on each of my systems and for better
or worse, I'v never been able to duplicate the problem
on these systems!

We will need to see whether the next major release of
FrameMaker resolves the problem once and for all!  :-)

- Dov



> -Original Message-
> From: Art Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:57 AM
> To: David Spreadbury
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Acrobat 8/8.1 Dropping Text in PDF
> 
> David,
> 
> This comes up often enough that it should be a FAQ; there are 
> reams of information in the archives here and in the Adobe FM 
> User Forum (where there's a full discussion; I think Adobe 
> may have issued a tech note).
> 
> Near as anyone can figure, one known problem is a combination 
> of Windows and Frame font handling. Try this:
> 
> Find the C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT file and note its 
> size. Then delete it. Reboot the system; the font cache will 
> be rebuilt. Don't open other applications, especially 
> browsers that may hit the font cache. Print the file to PDF.
> 
> If that clears the problem, you may want to look at reducing 
> the number of fonts on your system, especially the CJK fonts. 
> By most reports, if the FNTCACHE.DAT file tops 2,000, the bug 
> surfaces. The fix will work for a while, but will need to be 
> repeated unless you can remove enough fonts to get below 
> whatever your system's threshold is.
> 
> Art
> 
> On 6/21/07, David Spreadbury  wrote:
> > We are running into a similar problem since upgrading to 
> Acrobat 8 from Acrobat 7.
> >
> >   We purchased the CS3 set, Illustrator, Photoshop, and Acrobat.
> >
> >   When we create a Postscript file from FrameMaker 7.2p158, 
> the PDF has random missing text. Sometimes complete pages, 
> othertimes maybe a few words in a sentence.
> >
> >   Of four systems, three are experiencing this problem.
> >
> >   We have completely removed Acrobat from these machines 
> and reinstalled. I say completely because we let Windows 
> delete the Acrobat instance through Control Panel, then 
> manually removed all instances of Acrobat 8 from C:\Program 
> Files\Adobe\Acrobat.
> >
> >   Then reinstalled Acrobat from the CS3 DVD. Problem remains.
> >   One user when so far as to install Acrobat 7, instead of 
> Acrobat 8, problem still exists.
> >
> >   I have deleted the AdobePDF prineter instance and 
> manually created it. Problem still exists.
> >
> >   One thing we are seeing is that the postscript file size 
> is considerably larger when the PDF fails.
> >
> >   4,285 is a good PDF
> >   4,940 is a corrupted PDF.
> >
> >   Any have any ideas???
> >
> >   Please respond directly as I am on Digest.
> > -
> -- 
> Art Campbell 

Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible?

[Dov Isaacs]

It's great to be the king! 

> -Original Message-
> From: Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:56 PM
> 
> It was Mel Brooks' "History of the World - Part 1" and it's a classic
> bit.
> I recently watched it with my kids and they loved it.
> Some things never go out of style.
> 
> Berny Gagne
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Gillian Flato
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:46 PM
> 
> I saw that, and was also thinking about it. I think it was a Monty
> Python film. Moses was walking down the mountain holding 
> three tablets.
> He says, "I give you the 15..." and then one tablet drops and 
> breaks. So
> he amends his statement and says, "I give you the ten commandments."
> Someone should have told Moses about creating backups! 
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
>  
> Gillian Flato
> 

RE: Does anyone have an EDD for the Bible?

[Dov Isaacs]

It's great to be the king! 

> -Original Message-
> From: Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:56 PM
> 
> It was Mel Brooks' "History of the World - Part 1" and it's a classic
> bit.
> I recently watched it with my kids and they loved it.
> Some things never go out of style.
> 
> Berny Gagne
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Gillian Flato
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:46 PM
> 
> I saw that, and was also thinking about it. I think it was a Monty
> Python film. Moses was walking down the mountain holding 
> three tablets.
> He says, "I give you the 15..." and then one tablet drops and 
> breaks. So
> he amends his statement and says, "I give you the ten commandments."
> Someone should have told Moses about creating backups! 
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
>  
> Gillian Flato
> 
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RE: Cannot launch distiller to create PDF file

[Dov Isaacs]

If in fact it works "sometimes" but not others, the problem
has nothing to do with having multiple distillers on your
system. If you installed the standalone version of Distiller
that came with FrameMaker, it would be available to uninstall
from the Add/Remove programs control panel.

I would suggest that for reliability, you print to the
Adobe PDF PostScript printer driver instance in lieu of
using the "save as PDF" feature. Please advise if that works
consistently.

- Dov
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Schweitzer
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 5:49 AM
> 
> I am having a problem trying to save Frame documents as PDF 
> files using the File->save as command.  It seems to work 
> haphazardly - sometimes, a PDF is generated with no problem, 
> other times Frame keeps trying for quite a while (almost 
> appearing as if the program crashed, using 100% of the CPU), 
> eventually giving up after several minutes with the error 
> message "Cannot launch Acrobat Distiller to create PDF file". 
>  There does not seem to be any discernible pattern to suggest 
> to me why it might be failing.
>  
> I am running Framemaker 7.2p158 and Distiller 8.0 on Windows 
> XP Professional.
>  
> It has been suggested to me that this might be a result of 
> having multiple copies of Distiller installed on the system, 
> but I'm not sure how I would check that (Distiller doesn't 
> show up in Add/remove programs on it's own).
>  
>  
> Any ideas?
>  
> Thanks in advance,
> Adam Schweitzer
> Orenda Aerospace Corporation
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Cannot launch distiller to create PDF file

[Dov Isaacs]

If in fact it works "sometimes" but not others, the problem
has nothing to do with having multiple distillers on your
system. If you installed the standalone version of Distiller
that came with FrameMaker, it would be available to uninstall
from the Add/Remove programs control panel.

I would suggest that for reliability, you print to the
Adobe PDF PostScript printer driver instance in lieu of
using the "save as PDF" feature. Please advise if that works
consistently.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Schweitzer
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 5:49 AM
> 
> I am having a problem trying to save Frame documents as PDF 
> files using the File->save as command.  It seems to work 
> haphazardly - sometimes, a PDF is generated with no problem, 
> other times Frame keeps trying for quite a while (almost 
> appearing as if the program crashed, using 100% of the CPU), 
> eventually giving up after several minutes with the error 
> message "Cannot launch Acrobat Distiller to create PDF file". 
>  There does not seem to be any discernible pattern to suggest 
> to me why it might be failing.
>  
> I am running Framemaker 7.2p158 and Distiller 8.0 on Windows 
> XP Professional.
>  
> It has been suggested to me that this might be a result of 
> having multiple copies of Distiller installed on the system, 
> but I'm not sure how I would check that (Distiller doesn't 
> show up in Add/remove programs on it's own).
>  
>  
> Any ideas?
>  
> Thanks in advance,
> Adam Schweitzer
> Orenda Aerospace Corporation

RE: Frame crashes when creating PDF

[Dov Isaacs]

Are you using "save as PDF" or are you printing to the
"Adobe PDF" PostScript printer driver instance?

- Dov
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Yves Barbion
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 1:06 PM
> 
> Configuration:
> 
>- FrameMaker 7.2 with DITA App Pack
>- Windows XP
>- Acrobat Distiller 6 with Dov's recommended Job Options
>- Adobe PDF printer driver instance, settings configured as
>recommended by Dov (Graphic > Print Quality: 600 dpi etc.)
> 
> This configuration has always worked for me, but lately, 
> every time I create
> a PDF file for the first time, Frame crashes, regardless 
> whether I print a
> single file (any file) or a book, using Save as PDF or print 
> to the Adobe
> PDF printer driver instance.
> 
> I delete the C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT file and 
> reboot, and then
> everything works fine again.
> 
> So okay, this is my workaround, but I'm wondering: isn't 
> there a permanent
> fix for this problem?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
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Frame crashes when creating PDF

[Dov Isaacs]

Are you using "save as PDF" or are you printing to the
"Adobe PDF" PostScript printer driver instance?

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Yves Barbion
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 1:06 PM
> 
> Configuration:
> 
>- FrameMaker 7.2 with DITA App Pack
>- Windows XP
>- Acrobat Distiller 6 with Dov's recommended Job Options
>- Adobe PDF printer driver instance, settings configured as
>recommended by Dov (Graphic > Print Quality: 600 dpi etc.)
> 
> This configuration has always worked for me, but lately, 
> every time I create
> a PDF file for the first time, Frame crashes, regardless 
> whether I print a
> single file (any file) or a book, using Save as PDF or print 
> to the Adobe
> PDF printer driver instance.
> 
> I delete the C:\WINDOWS\system32\FNTCACHE.DAT file and 
> reboot, and then
> everything works fine again.
> 
> So okay, this is my workaround, but I'm wondering: isn't 
> there a permanent
> fix for this problem?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
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RE: Acrobat 8.1 stops FM print

[Dov Isaacs]

Actually, I can repeat the problem. Has nothing to do
with a missing FILE: port (for better or worse). Apparently
something else has changed in the interface between the 
Distiller and the AdobePDF printer driver instance and the
system with Acrobat 8.1 (as opposed to Acrobat 8.0). In the
meantime, you should (famous last words) be able to simply
print to the Adobe PDF PostScript printer driver instance
from FrameMaker to achieve a similar objective.

I'll see what's going on here at Adobe.

- Dov 

> -Original Message-
> From: Shlomo Perets
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:09 PM
> 
> Furia,
> 
> 
> You wrote:
> 
>  > Only a warning.
> 
>  > After the install of the 8.1 upgrade of Acrobat 
> Professional, FrameMaker (7.0 and 7.2)  > reports that it 
> can't print a PS file and doesn't save as PDF.
>  > I did a uninstall and a new installation (without the 
> upgrade) and now all is ok.
> 
> This is likely related to a problem which started with Acrobat 5:
> the FILE: port is sometimes deleted mysteriously as part of 
> installing/upgrading Acrobat.
> 
> I encountered it myself several times -- with different 
> computers and various Acrobat versions.
> 
> For the benefit of others who may encounter the same problem 
> when installing/upgrading Acrobat:
> if the FILE: port has to be recreated, the steps to be taken 
> are listed at
> http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=331115
> 
> 
> [ A new behavior of Distiller 8.1 is that it blocks all file 
> operations by default. Users of FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
> TimeSavers add-on, which relies on Distiller's access to 
> external files, will have to set-up  Distiller 8.1 so that it 
> can access files, as described in 
> http://www.microtype.com/timesavers.html ]
> 
> 
> 
> Shlomo Perets
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Acrobat 8.1 stops FM print

[Dov Isaacs]

Actually, I can repeat the problem. Has nothing to do
with a missing FILE: port (for better or worse). Apparently
something else has changed in the interface between the 
Distiller and the AdobePDF printer driver instance and the
system with Acrobat 8.1 (as opposed to Acrobat 8.0). In the
meantime, you should (famous last words) be able to simply
print to the Adobe PDF PostScript printer driver instance
from FrameMaker to achieve a similar objective.

I'll see what's going on here at Adobe.

- Dov 

> -Original Message-
> From: Shlomo Perets
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:09 PM
> 
> Furia,
> 
> 
> You wrote:
> 
>  > Only a warning.
> 
>  > After the install of the 8.1 upgrade of Acrobat 
> Professional, FrameMaker (7.0 and 7.2)  > reports that it 
> can't print a PS file and doesn't save as PDF.
>  > I did a uninstall and a new installation (without the 
> upgrade) and now all is ok.
> 
> This is likely related to a problem which started with Acrobat 5:
> the FILE: port is sometimes deleted mysteriously as part of 
> installing/upgrading Acrobat.
> 
> I encountered it myself several times -- with different 
> computers and various Acrobat versions.
> 
> For the benefit of others who may encounter the same problem 
> when installing/upgrading Acrobat:
> if the FILE: port has to be recreated, the steps to be taken 
> are listed at
> http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=331115
> 
> 
> [ A new behavior of Distiller 8.1 is that it blocks all file 
> operations by default. Users of FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
> TimeSavers add-on, which relies on Distiller's access to 
> external files, will have to set-up  Distiller 8.1 so that it 
> can access files, as described in 
> http://www.microtype.com/timesavers.html ]
> 
> 
> 
> Shlomo Perets

RE: QUESTION FOR FONT GURUS

[Dov Isaacs]

Michael, 

(1) When you create the PDF file from FrameMaker,
does the PDF file view correctly on the screen? Do the
two fonts that you believe have the same XUID display
correctly in Acrobat or in Reader?

(2) Assuming that the PDF file does display correctly,
what happens if you try to print the PDF file to a
laser printer (not a prepress RIP) that has Adobe PostScript?
Problems or no problems?

The answer to your last question is that both Distiller
and Adobe PostScript-based printers are RIPs (Raster Image
Processors). If the PDF file displays correctly in Reader
or Acrobat and the file prints correctly to an Adobe PostScript
-based laser printer, then the problem is not the fonts or the
resultant PDF file, but rather, that RIP you are referring to.

Advise as to (1) and (2) above and we can proceed from there.

- Dov

 

> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Zaichenko
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 5:15 AM
> 
> Hello all,
> I'm having issues with outputting my file into PDF from FM.
> I have two fonts with the same XUID and so they get messed up 
> on the Distiller. These two fonts have very different look 
> and so come out messed up on the RIP as well - randomly 
> bolded or thinned. I have checked all my Distiller and PDF 
> settings and it does boil down to these two fonts. The fonts 
> have different names but the IDs are the same.
> 
> Is it possible to handle it without re-generating fonts and 
> removing IDs so they don't conflict?
> 
> It's a bit troublesome to get into the fonts and change them 
> around. My publisher is quite far away and it takes time to 
> test the files.
> 
> Is there any way to simulate the RIP output without actually 
> outputting anything on paper?
> 
> I'm using FM 7.1p116 Acrobat Distiller 6.0 (1.6)
> 
> Michael
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QUESTION FOR FONT GURUS

[Dov Isaacs]

Michael, 

(1) When you create the PDF file from FrameMaker,
does the PDF file view correctly on the screen? Do the
two fonts that you believe have the same XUID display
correctly in Acrobat or in Reader?

(2) Assuming that the PDF file does display correctly,
what happens if you try to print the PDF file to a
laser printer (not a prepress RIP) that has Adobe PostScript?
Problems or no problems?

The answer to your last question is that both Distiller
and Adobe PostScript-based printers are RIPs (Raster Image
Processors). If the PDF file displays correctly in Reader
or Acrobat and the file prints correctly to an Adobe PostScript
-based laser printer, then the problem is not the fonts or the
resultant PDF file, but rather, that RIP you are referring to.

Advise as to (1) and (2) above and we can proceed from there.

- Dov



> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Zaichenko
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 5:15 AM
> 
> Hello all,
> I'm having issues with outputting my file into PDF from FM.
> I have two fonts with the same XUID and so they get messed up 
> on the Distiller. These two fonts have very different look 
> and so come out messed up on the RIP as well - randomly 
> bolded or thinned. I have checked all my Distiller and PDF 
> settings and it does boil down to these two fonts. The fonts 
> have different names but the IDs are the same.
> 
> Is it possible to handle it without re-generating fonts and 
> removing IDs so they don't conflict?
> 
> It's a bit troublesome to get into the fonts and change them 
> around. My publisher is quite far away and it takes time to 
> test the files.
> 
> Is there any way to simulate the RIP output without actually 
> outputting anything on paper?
> 
> I'm using FM 7.1p116 Acrobat Distiller 6.0 (1.6)
> 
> Michael

RE: First Time Framer!

[Dov Isaacs]

Or maybe you want an InDesign >= 6 that supports all
the wonderful FrameMaker features that aren't already
in InDesign. That would solve a whole bunch of other
problems such as Macintosh support, CMYK + spot color
support, transparency support, etc.   :-)

- Dov 

> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Rickaby
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 1:38 PM
> To: Kenneth C. Benson; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: First Time Framer!
> 
> ...
> 
> A benevolent God would give us FrameMaker 9 with InD's 
> typographical engine.
> 
> Are you listening, Adobe?
> 
> -- 
> Steve
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First Time Framer!

[Dov Isaacs]

Or maybe you want an InDesign >= 6 that supports all
the wonderful FrameMaker features that aren't already
in InDesign. That would solve a whole bunch of other
problems such as Macintosh support, CMYK + spot color
support, transparency support, etc.   :-)

- Dov 

> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Rickaby
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 1:38 PM
> To: Kenneth C. Benson; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: First Time Framer!
> 
> ...
> 
> A benevolent God would give us FrameMaker 9 with InD's 
> typographical engine.
> 
> Are you listening, Adobe?
> 
> -- 
> Steve

RE: Character switching FM/Distiller

[Dov Isaacs]

I did say Windows, not Macintosh, as well as the particular
versions of Windows!

- Dov 

> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:38 AM
> To: Dov Isaacs; Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; Penelope Perkins
> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Character switching FM/Distiller
> 
> At 08:25 -0700 21/5/07, Dov Isaacs wrote:
> 
> >For what it is worth, there is no such thing as an "Adobe 
> PostScript Driver," at least for the current versions of 
> Windows. The driver used for the Adobe PDF PostScript printer 
> driver instance and for most printers supporting PostScript 
> is in fact the PSCRIPT5 driver distributed and maintained by 
> Microsoft as part of  Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows 
> Server 2003, and Windows Vista.
> 
> How very interesting. At least on our obsolete Mac FrameMaker 
> installations we get a genoooiyne Adobe-branded Ps printer 
> driver (or such is my interpretation of the fact that it's 
> called 'AdobePS', shows an Adobe logo in the print dialog, 
> and says 'Adobe Systems Incorporated' when you request file 
> info on it).
> 
> -- 
> Steve
> 
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Character switching FM/Distiller

[Dov Isaacs]

I did say Windows, not Macintosh, as well as the particular
versions of Windows!

- Dov 

> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:38 AM
> To: Dov Isaacs; Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; Penelope Perkins
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Character switching FM/Distiller
> 
> At 08:25 -0700 21/5/07, Dov Isaacs wrote:
> 
> >For what it is worth, there is no such thing as an "Adobe 
> PostScript Driver," at least for the current versions of 
> Windows. The driver used for the Adobe PDF PostScript printer 
> driver instance and for most printers supporting PostScript 
> is in fact the PSCRIPT5 driver distributed and maintained by 
> Microsoft as part of  Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows 
> Server 2003, and Windows Vista.
> 
> How very interesting. At least on our obsolete Mac FrameMaker 
> installations we get a genoooiyne Adobe-branded Ps printer 
> driver (or such is my interpretation of the fact that it's 
> called 'AdobePS', shows an Adobe logo in the print dialog, 
> and says 'Adobe Systems Incorporated' when you request file 
> info on it).
> 
> -- 
> Steve
> 

RE: Character switching FM/Distiller

[Dov Isaacs]

For what it is worth, there is no such thing as an
"Adobe PostScript Driver," at least for the current
versions of Windows. The driver used for the Adobe PDF
PostScript printer driver instance and for most printers
supporting PostScript is in fact the PSCRIPT5 driver
distributed and maintained by Microsoft as part of 
Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, and
Windows Vista. Although Adobe worked with Microsoft to
originally develop that driver nearly eight years ago,
Microsoft has had full responsibility for it ever since.

The problems with FrameMaker's poor character set support
cannot be readily solved without full Unicode support.
You will NOT see such support in any FrameMaker 7.x (or
earlier) versions.

- Dov
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:39 AM
> To: Penelope Perkins
> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Character switching FM/Distiller
> 
> Hi Penelope and Kenneth,
> 
> Thank you for your help. I regret to be late in replying. 
> Usually replies move the thread into the Inbox of my Gmail, 
> but this time it did not. I just started looking in my Sent 
> Mail because of the thread
> (header) "Confused about hexadecimal Codes", and then I saw a 
> couple of replies to my posting.
> 
> 
> Kenneth:
> You are absolutely right. This is not a Distiller problem. I 
> would rather think this is has to do with the PS driver. The 
> character prints as intended on any non-postscript printer, 
> but on a PostScript printer and to PDF it prints incorrectly.
> 
> Penelope:
> It would have set me on the right track if I had read it 
> eariler. :-( But the "Confused..." thread lead me to study 
> the online manual:
> "FrameMaker Character Sets" where I saw that there is no 
> entry for the circled roman 2, which must be rated as a bug. 
> However, the sans-serif circled 2 has an entry, as referred 
> to in your reply.
> 
> ADOBE:
> I think Adobe should really make a separate revision/upgrade 
> to this part of FM for all versions 7.x at least, or if this 
> is, as I am starting to suspect, a PostScript driver fault, 
> to revise the Adobe PostScript driver, and have this solved 
> in the FrameMaker.next (as Bernard prefers to call the next version).
> 
> Thanks again and God bless,
> 
> Bodvar
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Character switching FM/Distiller

[Dov Isaacs]

For what it is worth, there is no such thing as an
"Adobe PostScript Driver," at least for the current
versions of Windows. The driver used for the Adobe PDF
PostScript printer driver instance and for most printers
supporting PostScript is in fact the PSCRIPT5 driver
distributed and maintained by Microsoft as part of 
Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, and
Windows Vista. Although Adobe worked with Microsoft to
originally develop that driver nearly eight years ago,
Microsoft has had full responsibility for it ever since.

The problems with FrameMaker's poor character set support
cannot be readily solved without full Unicode support.
You will NOT see such support in any FrameMaker 7.x (or
earlier) versions.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:39 AM
> To: Penelope Perkins
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Character switching FM/Distiller
> 
> Hi Penelope and Kenneth,
> 
> Thank you for your help. I regret to be late in replying. 
> Usually replies move the thread into the Inbox of my Gmail, 
> but this time it did not. I just started looking in my Sent 
> Mail because of the thread
> (header) "Confused about hexadecimal Codes", and then I saw a 
> couple of replies to my posting.
> 
> 
> Kenneth:
> You are absolutely right. This is not a Distiller problem. I 
> would rather think this is has to do with the PS driver. The 
> character prints as intended on any non-postscript printer, 
> but on a PostScript printer and to PDF it prints incorrectly.
> 
> Penelope:
> It would have set me on the right track if I had read it 
> eariler. :-( But the "Confused..." thread lead me to study 
> the online manual:
> "FrameMaker Character Sets" where I saw that there is no 
> entry for the circled roman 2, which must be rated as a bug. 
> However, the sans-serif circled 2 has an entry, as referred 
> to in your reply.
> 
> ADOBE:
> I think Adobe should really make a separate revision/upgrade 
> to this part of FM for all versions 7.x at least, or if this 
> is, as I am starting to suspect, a PostScript driver fault, 
> to revise the Adobe PostScript driver, and have this solved 
> in the FrameMaker.next (as Bernard prefers to call the next version).
> 
> Thanks again and God bless,
> 
> Bodvar

RE: Missing Characters in PDF

[Dov Isaacs]

Yes, this is indeed a known issue, although at this point
we don't know exactly what the cause of the problem is.

We do know that (1) it is not necessarily repeatable between
two identically-configured systems or even on the same system
and (2) there is a hack to at least temporarily "fix" the
problem.

This fix is as follows:

(a) Exit all applications

(b) Delete file 

(c) Reboot

Upon rebooting, the system font cache is rebuilt as needed by
Windows. And according to those who have tried this "fix," the
problem is gone, at least for a while.

Since there is nothing that FrameMaker as a program can do to
corrupt that system file or even open it, the problems are
probably secondary to some issue associated with FrameMaker's
novel use of its own character set in combination with standard
Windows GDI calls.

If you really want to be defensive, one thing you could do would
be to write a script that deletes that font cache file every time
you power down your system.

Let us know if this solves the issue for you.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Alison Carrico
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:59 PM
> 
> I have an intermittent, but incredibly annoying, problem with 
> PDFs printed from Frame missing large chunks of text at 
> random.  Sometimes it is  just a few words out of a 
> paragraph, sometimes it's the whole paragraph. Some time ago, 
> I found an article on Adobe's support site that addressed the 
> issue, but I can no longer reach that page. The "Knowledge 
> Base" search returns a link to it, but the link gives a "page 
> not found" error (quite a number of pages return errors).  
> 
> One of the solutions was to change the Graphic Print Quality 
> setting in the printer properties to 300 dpi, which works 
> some of the time.
> Sometimes, I can restart either Frame or my machine and print 
> successfully. Sometimes I can use a different machine.  
> Sometimes, I can save the file as MIF and print.  
> Unfortunately, not one of these tricks always works so I'm 
> looking for a more reliable workaround or perhaps (dare I 
> hope?) even a permanent solution.  
> 
> Is anyone familiar with this problem?  Any help would be much 
> appreciated.  
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> alison
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Missing Characters in PDF

[Dov Isaacs]

Yes, this is indeed a known issue, although at this point
we don't know exactly what the cause of the problem is.

We do know that (1) it is not necessarily repeatable between
two identically-configured systems or even on the same system
and (2) there is a hack to at least temporarily "fix" the
problem.

This fix is as follows:

(a) Exit all applications

(b) Delete file 

(c) Reboot

Upon rebooting, the system font cache is rebuilt as needed by
Windows. And according to those who have tried this "fix," the
problem is gone, at least for a while.

Since there is nothing that FrameMaker as a program can do to
corrupt that system file or even open it, the problems are
probably secondary to some issue associated with FrameMaker's
novel use of its own character set in combination with standard
Windows GDI calls.

If you really want to be defensive, one thing you could do would
be to write a script that deletes that font cache file every time
you power down your system.

Let us know if this solves the issue for you.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Alison Carrico
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:59 PM
> 
> I have an intermittent, but incredibly annoying, problem with 
> PDFs printed from Frame missing large chunks of text at 
> random.  Sometimes it is  just a few words out of a 
> paragraph, sometimes it's the whole paragraph. Some time ago, 
> I found an article on Adobe's support site that addressed the 
> issue, but I can no longer reach that page. The "Knowledge 
> Base" search returns a link to it, but the link gives a "page 
> not found" error (quite a number of pages return errors).  
> 
> One of the solutions was to change the Graphic Print Quality 
> setting in the printer properties to 300 dpi, which works 
> some of the time.
> Sometimes, I can restart either Frame or my machine and print 
> successfully. Sometimes I can use a different machine.  
> Sometimes, I can save the file as MIF and print.  
> Unfortunately, not one of these tricks always works so I'm 
> looking for a more reliable workaround or perhaps (dare I 
> hope?) even a permanent solution.  
> 
> Is anyone familiar with this problem?  Any help would be much 
> appreciated.  
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> alison

RE: Double-spacing a PDF output doc from a structured Frame book

[Dov Isaacs]

Alas, there is no such thing as a double-spacing control
for PDF. PDF is a final form document format. The relationship
between your FrameMaker document and the resultant PostScript
and PDF files is that of matching the format 1:1 as much as
possible. Your only way to "double space" is to change
templates or more likely, paragraph styles.

- Dov
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Williams
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:33 AM
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> This may be one of those 'Well, if I KNEW which menu and 
> function this was - I'd have already done it myself' questions, but...
> 
> Wondering HOW to simply double-space my PDF output doc (from 
> a structured Frame book) - so that our writers can more 
> easily make mark ups on the hardcopy. They write - we 
> production wonks put their stuff into the frame books. (We 
> like it this way - less chances for them to screw up the frame
> files.)
> 
>  - NOTE: As our structured Frame books are driven by fairly 
> complex templates (customer provided and managed), I'd rather 
> find a way to simply double-space the PDF from Acrobat or 
> Distiller(?) rather than trying to monkey around in the 
> template (ugh).  Or, is there a way in Frame that before I 
> generate my .PS files to Distiller, that I can selectively 
> invoke a double-spacing of the output?
> 
> Thanks in advance for taking the time to read this - (bowing lowly and
> respectfully) oh great oracles of framemaker / acrobat / 
> distiller knowledge bits.
> 
> Regards all,
> 
> Bob Williams
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Double-spacing a PDF output doc from a structured Frame book

[Dov Isaacs]

Alas, there is no such thing as a double-spacing control
for PDF. PDF is a final form document format. The relationship
between your FrameMaker document and the resultant PostScript
and PDF files is that of matching the format 1:1 as much as
possible. Your only way to "double space" is to change
templates or more likely, paragraph styles.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Williams
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:33 AM
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> This may be one of those 'Well, if I KNEW which menu and 
> function this was - I'd have already done it myself' questions, but...
> 
> Wondering HOW to simply double-space my PDF output doc (from 
> a structured Frame book) - so that our writers can more 
> easily make mark ups on the hardcopy. They write - we 
> production wonks put their stuff into the frame books. (We 
> like it this way - less chances for them to screw up the frame
> files.)
> 
>  - NOTE: As our structured Frame books are driven by fairly 
> complex templates (customer provided and managed), I'd rather 
> find a way to simply double-space the PDF from Acrobat or 
> Distiller(?) rather than trying to monkey around in the 
> template (ugh).  Or, is there a way in Frame that before I 
> generate my .PS files to Distiller, that I can selectively 
> invoke a double-spacing of the output?
> 
> Thanks in advance for taking the time to read this - (bowing lowly and
> respectfully) oh great oracles of framemaker / acrobat / 
> distiller knowledge bits.
> 
> Regards all,
> 
> Bob Williams

RE: Geeky Friday Humor

[Dov Isaacs]

OK, MOMZA (spell it any number of ways) is a Yiddish
version of "momzer" - literally a "bastard."

What was funning about this situation was that we
actually got to meet the nice mid-America couple who
drove their car with that Missouri license plate.
(They would remind you of the couple in American Gothic!)
Turns out that one of their children called their mom 
"momza" - none of them knew why we (a few of us visiting
from the East Coast at the time) were laughing hysterically.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:37 PM
> To: Dov Isaacs
> Subject: RE: Geeky Friday Humor
> 
> OK Dov, you got me on that one. I even pulled out my Yiddish 
> Word Book for English-Speaking People and still have no clue. 
> What's MOMZA? 
> 
> 
> ~
> Linda G. Gallagher
> TechCom Plus, LLC
> lindag at techcomplus dot com
> www.techcomplus.com
> 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
> User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher 
> templates 
> Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
> Contracting SIG
> http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html
>  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> s.com] On
> Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 3:55 PM
> To: Dov Isaacs; Framers E-mail List
> Subject: RE: Geeky Friday Humor
> 
> For those of you who are still wondering what this
> was about ... "tzurot" means "troubles" in Hebrew.
> The Yiddish equivalent is "tzuros" or "tsuris" which
> is also "troubles" as in "big time troubles!"
> 
> However, the more interesting license plate I saw in
> rural Missouri over 25 years ago was MOMZA.
> 
>   - Dov
>  
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dov Isaacs 
> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:55 AM
> > To: Framers E-mail List
> > Subject: RE: Geeky Friday Humor
> > 
> > ... And on the road earlier this week, I saw a car
> > in the SF Bay area with the license plate TSURIS.
> > I felt sorry for the guy ...
> > 
> > - Dov
> >  
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Van Boening, Tammy
> > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:04 AM
> > > To: undisclosed-recipients
> > > Subject: OT: Geeky Friday Humor
> > > 
> > > So, on the way into work today, I saw the following on a 
> > > license plate:
> > > RGBCMYK and the license plate holder stated that "Artists do it
> > > graphically." I was cracking up; however, my husband on the 
> > other hand
> > > did not understand why I thought it was so funny and  
> > accused me
> > > of yet another round of "geeky humor." 
> > > 
> > > TGIF!
> > > 
> > > TVB
> > > 
> > > Tammy L. Van Boening
> > > 
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Geeky Friday Humor

[Dov Isaacs]

OK, MOMZA (spell it any number of ways) is a Yiddish
version of "momzer" - literally a "bastard."

What was funning about this situation was that we
actually got to meet the nice mid-America couple who
drove their car with that Missouri license plate.
(They would remind you of the couple in American Gothic!)
Turns out that one of their children called their mom 
"momza" - none of them knew why we (a few of us visiting
from the East Coast at the time) were laughing hysterically.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lindag at techcomplus.com] 
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:37 PM
> To: Dov Isaacs
> Subject: RE: Geeky Friday Humor
> 
> OK Dov, you got me on that one. I even pulled out my Yiddish 
> Word Book for English-Speaking People and still have no clue. 
> What's MOMZA? 
> 
> 
> ~
> Linda G. Gallagher
> TechCom Plus, LLC
> lindag at techcomplus dot com
> www.techcomplus.com
> 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
> User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher 
> templates 
> Manager, STC Consulting and Independent
> Contracting SIG
> http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html
>  
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+lindag=techcomplus.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+lindag=techcomplus.com at lists.frameuser
> s.com] On
> Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 3:55 PM
> To: Dov Isaacs; Framers E-mail List
> Subject: RE: Geeky Friday Humor
> 
> For those of you who are still wondering what this
> was about ... "tzurot" means "troubles" in Hebrew.
> The Yiddish equivalent is "tzuros" or "tsuris" which
> is also "troubles" as in "big time troubles!"
> 
> However, the more interesting license plate I saw in
> rural Missouri over 25 years ago was MOMZA.
> 
>   - Dov
>  
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dov Isaacs 
> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:55 AM
> > To: Framers E-mail List
> > Subject: RE: Geeky Friday Humor
> > 
> > ... And on the road earlier this week, I saw a car
> > in the SF Bay area with the license plate TSURIS.
> > I felt sorry for the guy ...
> > 
> > - Dov
> >  
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Van Boening, Tammy
> > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:04 AM
> > > To: undisclosed-recipients
> > > Subject: OT: Geeky Friday Humor
> > > 
> > > So, on the way into work today, I saw the following on a 
> > > license plate:
> > > RGBCMYK and the license plate holder stated that "Artists do it
> > > graphically." I was cracking up; however, my husband on the 
> > other hand
> > > did not understand why I thought it was so funny and  
> > accused me
> > > of yet another round of "geeky humor." 
> > > 
> > > TGIF!
> > > 
> > > TVB
> > > 
> > > Tammy L. Van Boening
> > > 
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RE: Geeky Friday Humor

[Dov Isaacs]

For those of you who are still wondering what this
was about ... "tzurot" means "troubles" in Hebrew.
The Yiddish equivalent is "tzuros" or "tsuris" which
is also "troubles" as in "big time troubles!"

However, the more interesting license plate I saw in
rural Missouri over 25 years ago was MOMZA.

- Dov
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Dov Isaacs 
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:55 AM
> To: Framers E-mail List
> Subject: RE: Geeky Friday Humor
> 
> ... And on the road earlier this week, I saw a car
> in the SF Bay area with the license plate TSURIS.
> I felt sorry for the guy ...
> 
>   - Dov
>  
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Van Boening, Tammy
> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:04 AM
> > To: undisclosed-recipients
> > Subject: OT: Geeky Friday Humor
> > 
> > So, on the way into work today, I saw the following on a 
> > license plate:
> > RGBCMYK and the license plate holder stated that "Artists do it
> > graphically." I was cracking up; however, my husband on the 
> other hand
> > did not understand why I thought it was so funny and  
> accused me
> > of yet another round of "geeky humor." 
> > 
> > TGIF!
> > 
> > TVB
> > 
> > Tammy L. Van Boening
> > 
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Geeky Friday Humor

[Dov Isaacs]

For those of you who are still wondering what this
was about ... "tzurot" means "troubles" in Hebrew.
The Yiddish equivalent is "tzuros" or "tsuris" which
is also "troubles" as in "big time troubles!"

However, the more interesting license plate I saw in
rural Missouri over 25 years ago was MOMZA.

    - Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Dov Isaacs 
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:55 AM
> To: Framers E-mail List
> Subject: RE: Geeky Friday Humor
> 
> ... And on the road earlier this week, I saw a car
> in the SF Bay area with the license plate TSURIS.
> I felt sorry for the guy ...
> 
>   - Dov
>  
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Van Boening, Tammy
> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:04 AM
> > To: undisclosed-recipients
> > Subject: OT: Geeky Friday Humor
> > 
> > So, on the way into work today, I saw the following on a 
> > license plate:
> > RGBCMYK and the license plate holder stated that "Artists do it
> > graphically." I was cracking up; however, my husband on the 
> other hand
> > did not understand why I thought it was so funny and  
> accused me
> > of yet another round of "geeky humor." 
> > 
> > TGIF!
> > 
> > TVB
> > 
> > Tammy L. Van Boening
> > 

RE: Geeky Friday Humor

[Dov Isaacs]

... And on the road earlier this week, I saw a car
in the SF Bay area with the license plate TSURIS.
I felt sorry for the guy ...

- Dov
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Van Boening, Tammy
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:04 AM
> To: undisclosed-recipients
> Subject: OT: Geeky Friday Humor
> 
> So, on the way into work today, I saw the following on a 
> license plate:
> RGBCMYK and the license plate holder stated that "Artists do it
> graphically." I was cracking up; however, my husband on the other hand
> did not understand why I thought it was so funny and  accused me
> of yet another round of "geeky humor." 
> 
> TGIF!
> 
> TVB
> 
> Tammy L. Van Boening
> 
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Geeky Friday Humor

[Dov Isaacs]

... And on the road earlier this week, I saw a car
in the SF Bay area with the license plate TSURIS.
I felt sorry for the guy ...

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Van Boening, Tammy
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:04 AM
> To: undisclosed-recipients
> Subject: OT: Geeky Friday Humor
> 
> So, on the way into work today, I saw the following on a 
> license plate:
> RGBCMYK and the license plate holder stated that "Artists do it
> graphically." I was cracking up; however, my husband on the other hand
> did not understand why I thought it was so funny and  accused me
> of yet another round of "geeky humor." 
> 
> TGIF!
> 
> TVB
> 
> Tammy L. Van Boening
> 

FrameMaker Server "User Interface"??

[Dov Isaacs]

No change to the FrameMaker Server product, but obviously
your IT department is trying to setup a workflow beyond
that which your previous company implemented (even if the
base "need" is perceived to be the same).

- Dov 

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com]
>  On Behalf Of Randall C. Reed
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:43 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: FrameMaker Server "User Interface"??
> 
> A few years ago, we installed a server-based version of Frame: No
> documentation, little product knowledge on the part of the Adobe
> customer service folks. Now, new company, same need. This time, our IT
> department tells us that we need  "software programming to build the
> interface for the control/security/access features." to the tune of
> $25,000 worth of software programming consultant time. This floored me
> since the last time it was a single CD that a one-person IT department
> installed in a few hours.
> Has the Server version changed?
> And the Adobe site says that Server needs a companion and "must be
> integrated into a solution before it is ready for use. You can either
> purchase third-part solutions (From Datazone or Finite 
> Matters Limited)
> or you can build your own solution using Frame Developers Kit."
> I don't recall us using FDK or third-party solution before. What
> experiences do other Listers have for FM Server?
> TIA,
> 
> Randy

RE: FrameMaker Server "User Interface"??

[Dov Isaacs]

No change to the FrameMaker Server product, but obviously
your IT department is trying to setup a workflow beyond
that which your previous company implemented (even if the
base "need" is perceived to be the same).

- Dov 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  On Behalf Of Randall C. Reed
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:43 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: FrameMaker Server "User Interface"??
> 
> A few years ago, we installed a server-based version of Frame: No
> documentation, little product knowledge on the part of the Adobe
> customer service folks. Now, new company, same need. This time, our IT
> department tells us that we need  "software programming to build the
> interface for the control/security/access features." to the tune of
> $25,000 worth of software programming consultant time. This floored me
> since the last time it was a single CD that a one-person IT department
> installed in a few hours.
> Has the Server version changed?
> And the Adobe site says that Server needs a companion and "must be
> integrated into a solution before it is ready for use. You can either
> purchase third-part solutions (From Datazone or Finite 
> Matters Limited)
> or you can build your own solution using Frame Developers Kit."
> I don't recall us using FDK or third-party solution before. What
> experiences do other Listers have for FM Server?
> TIA,
> 
> Randy
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RE: QuarkXPress to FrameMaker

[Dov Isaacs]

No.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Litchfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: QuarkXPress to FrameMaker
> 
> So, is there a filter for Quark tagged text (.xtg)?
> 
> Cheers
> Alan
> 
> ((Damn, I keep forgetting that on this list I have to click on Reply  
> All, not just Reply.))
> 
> On 20/04/2007, at 8:22 AM, Dov Isaacs wrote:
> 
> > The filter for QuarkXPress import into FrameMaker was
> > hacked from the equivalent InDesign filter and only
> > supports QuarkXPress 3.x and 4.x files. Newer files
> > (5, 6, and 7) cannot be opened in FrameMaker due to the
> > fact that Quark encrypts their version 5, 6, and 7
> > documents and any software that attempts to break that
> > encryption without permission is breaking the DMCA
> > (the Digital Millenium Copyright Act).
> >
> > - Dov
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QuarkXPress to FrameMaker

[Dov Isaacs]

No.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Litchfield [mailto:alan at alphabyte.co.nz] 
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: QuarkXPress to FrameMaker
> 
> So, is there a filter for Quark tagged text (.xtg)?
> 
> Cheers
> Alan
> 
> ((Damn, I keep forgetting that on this list I have to click on Reply  
> All, not just Reply.))
> 
> On 20/04/2007, at 8:22 AM, Dov Isaacs wrote:
> 
> > The filter for QuarkXPress import into FrameMaker was
> > hacked from the equivalent InDesign filter and only
> > supports QuarkXPress 3.x and 4.x files. Newer files
> > (5, 6, and 7) cannot be opened in FrameMaker due to the
> > fact that Quark encrypts their version 5, 6, and 7
> > documents and any software that attempts to break that
> > encryption without permission is breaking the DMCA
> > (the Digital Millenium Copyright Act).
> >
> > - Dov

RE: QuarkXPress to FrameMaker

[Dov Isaacs]

The filter for QuarkXPress import into FrameMaker was
hacked from the equivalent InDesign filter and only
supports QuarkXPress 3.x and 4.x files. Newer files
(5, 6, and 7) cannot be opened in FrameMaker due to the
fact that Quark encrypts their version 5, 6, and 7 
documents and any software that attempts to break that
encryption without permission is breaking the DMCA
(the Digital Millenium Copyright Act).

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  On Behalf Of Art Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:53 AM
> To: Yves Barbion
> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: QuarkXPress to FrameMaker
> 
> Windows 7.2 is supposed to support direct import of Quark; not sure
> about earlier versions.
> Is it not doing something you need?
> 
> Art
> 
> On 4/19/07, Yves Barbion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Framers,
> >
> > I'm looking for a conversion tool to convert QuarkXPress files to
> > FrameMaker. Any suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > --
> > Yves Barbion
> > Documentation Architect
> > Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
> 
> -- 
> Art Campbell 
> 
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QuarkXPress to FrameMaker

[Dov Isaacs]

The filter for QuarkXPress import into FrameMaker was
hacked from the equivalent InDesign filter and only
supports QuarkXPress 3.x and 4.x files. Newer files
(5, 6, and 7) cannot be opened in FrameMaker due to the
fact that Quark encrypts their version 5, 6, and 7 
documents and any software that attempts to break that
encryption without permission is breaking the DMCA
(the Digital Millenium Copyright Act).

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com]
>  On Behalf Of Art Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:53 AM
> To: Yves Barbion
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: QuarkXPress to FrameMaker
> 
> Windows 7.2 is supposed to support direct import of Quark; not sure
> about earlier versions.
> Is it not doing something you need?
> 
> Art
> 
> On 4/19/07, Yves Barbion  wrote:
> > Hi Framers,
> >
> > I'm looking for a conversion tool to convert QuarkXPress files to
> > FrameMaker. Any suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > --
> > Yves Barbion
> > Documentation Architect
> > Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
> 
> -- 
> Art Campbell 
> 

RE: Can't print from Frame

[Dov Isaacs]

Grandmother's tale is best and most literal
translation from the Yiddish.

- Dov

PS: "Dove" is a bird; "Dov" is a bear.



> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:46 AM
> To: Tina Poole; Dov Isaacs; Gillian Flato; framers@FrameUsers.com
> Subject: RE: Can't print from Frame
> 
> At 08:36 +1000 10/4/07, Tina Poole wrote:
> 
> >OK Dove, what does bubbamisa mean??? I'm guessin' something 
> like crap! :) I did add sort of a disclaimer that the reason 
> I gave was questionable!
> 
> Let me save you the time of waiting for Dov to reply. It is - 
> and I am sure he will correct me if wrong - a little more 
> polite than you think. It's the Yiddish equivalent of 'old 
> wives' tale', but I think involves grandmothers.
> 
> I cannot locate the reference, but I think I got one some 
> time back after I claimed that mixing Ps and TT fonts in PDF 
> was a bad idea :-(
> 
> -- 
> Steve
> 
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Can't print from Frame

[Dov Isaacs]

Grandmother's tale is best and most literal
translation from the Yiddish.

- Dov

PS: "Dove" is a bird; "Dov" is a bear.



> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:46 AM
> To: Tina Poole; Dov Isaacs; Gillian Flato; framers at FrameUsers.com
> Subject: RE: Can't print from Frame
> 
> At 08:36 +1000 10/4/07, Tina Poole wrote:
> 
> >OK Dove, what does bubbamisa mean??? I'm guessin' something 
> like crap! :) I did add sort of a disclaimer that the reason 
> I gave was questionable!
> 
> Let me save you the time of waiting for Dov to reply. It is - 
> and I am sure he will correct me if wrong - a little more 
> polite than you think. It's the Yiddish equivalent of 'old 
> wives' tale', but I think involves grandmothers.
> 
> I cannot locate the reference, but I think I got one some 
> time back after I claimed that mixing Ps and TT fonts in PDF 
> was a bad idea :-(
> 
> -- 
> Steve
> 

RE: FrameMaker deals on eBay...

[Dov Isaacs]

Make no such assumption, especially when dealing with
eBay. The prices mentioned reflect (1) someone has
genuine product obtained illicitly - use your imagination,
(2) copied CDs with either a "cracked" software version
or stolen serial serial number, or (3) ...
Remember that prices that are too good to be true are the
best indicators of fraud of some type.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  On Behalf Of Chris Borokowski
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:01 AM
> To: Scott Prentice; 'Framers'; Free Framers List
> Subject: Re: FrameMaker deals on eBay...
> 
> Must mean a new version is coming soon. Prices always
> drop to reduce stock.
> 
> --- Scott Prentice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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FrameMaker deals on eBay...

[Dov Isaacs]

Make no such assumption, especially when dealing with
eBay. The prices mentioned reflect (1) someone has
genuine product obtained illicitly - use your imagination,
(2) copied CDs with either a "cracked" software version
or stolen serial serial number, or (3) ...
Remember that prices that are too good to be true are the
best indicators of fraud of some type.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com]
>  On Behalf Of Chris Borokowski
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:01 AM
> To: Scott Prentice; 'Framers'; Free Framers List
> Subject: Re: FrameMaker deals on eBay...
> 
> Must mean a new version is coming soon. Prices always
> drop to reduce stock.
> 
> --- Scott Prentice  wrote:

RE: Can't print from Frame

[Dov Isaacs]

Tina,

Bubbamisa!

Good try, but absolutely groundless. The "optimize for
portability" hack was put into the Windows driver to deal
with some applications, FrameMaker NOT being among them,
that injected their own PostScript into the driver's output
stream improperly, interfering with the current graphics
state of the PostScript job. It also makes a bit of a 
difference how fonts and procedure definitions (what you
are calling "a shorthand version of PostScript" are put 
into the job, but certainly not how they are used.

If in fact, use of the "optimize for portability" option
causes something to print that doesn't otherwise print
from FrameMaker, you are dealing with either (1) a very 
traif EPS file (EPS file improperly constructed, not 
following the rules for EPS files), (2) an otherwise terribly
misconfigured printer driver or print itself or (3) a very 
crufty PostScript RIP / printer.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Tina Poole
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 3:21 PM
> To: Gillian Flato; framers@FrameUsers.com
> Subject: RE: Can't print from Frame
> 
> Hi Gillian
> 
> If you look in your postscript settings on the printer
> dialog there will be an option that says something like
> "Optimize for speed" change this to "Optimize for portability".
> Speed gives a shorthand version of postscript which confuses
> some printers, while portability includes everything (this is
> how it was explained to me not sure if it is correct or not
> but generally fixes the crazy stack errors).
> 
> 
> tina
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Can't print from Frame

[Dov Isaacs]

Tina,

Bubbamisa!

Good try, but absolutely groundless. The "optimize for
portability" hack was put into the Windows driver to deal
with some applications, FrameMaker NOT being among them,
that injected their own PostScript into the driver's output
stream improperly, interfering with the current graphics
state of the PostScript job. It also makes a bit of a 
difference how fonts and procedure definitions (what you
are calling "a shorthand version of PostScript" are put 
into the job, but certainly not how they are used.

If in fact, use of the "optimize for portability" option
causes something to print that doesn't otherwise print
from FrameMaker, you are dealing with either (1) a very 
traif EPS file (EPS file improperly constructed, not 
following the rules for EPS files), (2) an otherwise terribly
misconfigured printer driver or print itself or (3) a very 
crufty PostScript RIP / printer.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Tina Poole
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 3:21 PM
> To: Gillian Flato; framers at FrameUsers.com
> Subject: RE: Can't print from Frame
> 
> Hi Gillian
> 
> If you look in your postscript settings on the printer
> dialog there will be an option that says something like
> "Optimize for speed" change this to "Optimize for portability".
> Speed gives a shorthand version of postscript which confuses
> some printers, while portability includes everything (this is
> how it was explained to me not sure if it is correct or not
> but generally fixes the crazy stack errors).
> 
> 
> tina

Anything new about when the next release of Framemaker will belaunched?

[Dov Isaacs]

> -Original Message-
> From: William Gaffga
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:41 AM
> To: Framers
> Subject: Re: Anything new about when the next release of 
> Framemaker will belaunched?
> ... After getting an answer about  
> something, DITA support I think, I jokingly said, "So, if I told you  
> that we still have some Macs in our production and use FM on them  
> everyday, I suppose I should just turn around and walk away?" He  
> started talking about how FM runs quite nicely on Parallels and that  
> Adobe has several systems set up that way and he uses Macs himself.  
> Then he implied that there may be, at some point, a Mactel 
> version of  
> FM. I didn't believe that one bit and I wanted to say "Yeah, sure."  
> In fact, I was taken aback that he was even talking about Parallels  
> and couldn't stick with him in the conversation. I'd like to 
> see that but really don't expect it.
> 
> Will.
> --


Don't expect the next major version of FrameMaker to have
any Macintosh support!

- Dov

RE: Anything new about when the next release of Framemaker will belaunched?

[Dov Isaacs]

 

> -Original Message-
> From: William Gaffga
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:41 AM
> To: Framers
> Subject: Re: Anything new about when the next release of 
> Framemaker will belaunched?
> ... After getting an answer about  
> something, DITA support I think, I jokingly said, "So, if I told you  
> that we still have some Macs in our production and use FM on them  
> everyday, I suppose I should just turn around and walk away?" He  
> started talking about how FM runs quite nicely on Parallels and that  
> Adobe has several systems set up that way and he uses Macs himself.  
> Then he implied that there may be, at some point, a Mactel 
> version of  
> FM. I didn't believe that one bit and I wanted to say "Yeah, sure."  
> In fact, I was taken aback that he was even talking about Parallels  
> and couldn't stick with him in the conversation. I'd like to 
> see that but really don't expect it.
> 
> Will.
> --


Don't expect the next major version of FrameMaker to have
any Macintosh support!

- Dov

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Frame output scales incorrectly - corrupt joboptions file?

[Dov Isaacs]

Seems like something is getting corrupted in memory within
the FrameMaker process if restarting FrameMaker clears the
problem.

- Dov 

> -Original Message-
> From: Shlomo Perets
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 7:12 AM
> To: Karen Mardahl
> Cc: framers at frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Frame output scales incorrectly - corrupt 
> joboptions file?
> 
> Karen,
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> >I have an annoyance, not really a problem, with my Frame 
> 7.1p116 on XP 
> >and Distiller 7.0.7.
> >
> >My PDF is distilled at 1439% or 1398% or some such random, 4-digit 
> >figure. After several normal print jobs, something cracks, and I get 
> >this mess. Closing down everything and reopening makes the 
> bug go away.
> >
> >I am alert to the problem so I view the Print dialog carefully - I 
> >swear! It always says 100% in the scale box. That is why I suspect 
> >Distiller. I feel that I have to assume FM generates a .ps 
> file that is 
> >going to produce output scaled to 100%, and that Distiller 
> chews it up 
> >somehow.
> >
> >Or...?
> >
> >Ideas as to the whereabouts of this annoyance? I can go for months 
> >without a sign, but now I had the problem twice in one day. 
> My Acrobat 
> >is 7.0.9, but that cannot possibly be the culprit, can it?
> 
> Occasionally, standard FM documents end up as PDFs with very 
> small page sizes -- such as 8.5x11" FM pages turning into 
> 0.5x0.67" pages in the PDF, with text/graphics scaled down 
> accordingly. You then have to display the PDF at very large 
> magnifications to be able to see the content; if Fit 
> Page/Width is the default zoom, magnification will be applied 
> automatically, showing zoom levels such as the ones you mentioned.
> 
> This was also reported by other list members, and I 
> experience it myself once every few months. Just recreate the 
> .ps file and re-distill, restart FrameMaker if needed. 
> Nothing to change or fix in the FrameMaker document or in the 
> job options.
> 
> [ Could this actually be a hidden feature -- randomly 
> reminding us that PDFs have to be inspected/tested, or at 
> least opened briefly, before distributed ? ]
> 
> 
> Shlomo Perets