Sort order of entries in an index

[Tammy Van Boening]

Thanks! 

-Original Message-
From: Lester C. Smalley [mailto:lsmal...@infocon.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:12 PM
To: Tammy Van Boening
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Sort order of entries in an index

Put the "sort order" info in square brackets (e.g. [aaa] ) not angle
brackets:

<$nopage>changing:see also modifying[aaa]

On Tuesday, June 24, 2008 18:04, Tammy Van Boening wrote:

| A long time ago, in a valley far, far away, I know I did this, but I 
| don't remember how! Under the letter "C" in my index, under the
| IndexLev1 entry of changing, I want the first entry to be changing:see

| also modifying (and not a page number) and I can't for the life of me 
| remember how to format the index marker for this. Right now, I have 
| <$nopage>changing:see also modifying, but I am getting the entry 
| sorted as is. The attempt to force it to the top by using  is not

| working, but I swear I did this before, but using  to get an
entry
| to the bottom of a list at all times.
| 
| Help!
| 
| TIA,
| 
| TVB
| 
| Tammy Van Boening
| Health Language, Inc.
| 
| (303) 307-4400 x254 (office)
| (303) 375-0656 (fax)
| www.healthlanguage.com

- Lester
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RE: Sort order of entries in an index

[Tammy Van Boening]

Thanks! 

-Original Message-
From: Lester C. Smalley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:12 PM
To: Tammy Van Boening
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Sort order of entries in an index

Put the "sort order" info in square brackets (e.g. [aaa] ) not angle
brackets:

<$nopage>changing:see also modifying[aaa]

On Tuesday, June 24, 2008 18:04, Tammy Van Boening wrote:
 
| A long time ago, in a valley far, far away, I know I did this, but I 
| don't remember how! Under the letter "C" in my index, under the
| IndexLev1 entry of changing, I want the first entry to be changing:see

| also modifying (and not a page number) and I can't for the life of me 
| remember how to format the index marker for this. Right now, I have 
| <$nopage>changing:see also modifying, but I am getting the entry 
| sorted as is. The attempt to force it to the top by using  is not

| working, but I swear I did this before, but using  to get an
entry
| to the bottom of a list at all times.
| 
| Help!
| 
| TIA,
| 
| TVB
| 
| Tammy Van Boening
| Health Language, Inc.
| 
| (303) 307-4400 x254 (office)
| (303) 375-0656 (fax)
| www.healthlanguage.com

- Lester
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Sort order of entries in an index

[Tammy Van Boening]

A long time ago, in a valley far, far away, I know I did this, but I
don't remember how! Under the letter "C" in my index, under the
IndexLev1 entry of changing, I want the first entry to be changing:see
also modifying (and not a page number) and I can't for the life of me
remember how to format the index marker for this. Right now, I have
<$nopage>changing:see also modifying, but I am getting the entry
sorted as is. The attempt to force it to the top by using  is not
working, but I swear I did this before, but using  to get an entry
to the bottom of a list at all times. 

Help!

TIA,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Health Language, Inc.

(303) 307-4400 x254 (office)
(303) 375-0656 (fax)
www.healthlanguage.com

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Sort order of entries in an index

[Tammy Van Boening]

A long time ago, in a valley far, far away, I know I did this, but I
don't remember how! Under the letter "C" in my index, under the
IndexLev1 entry of changing, I want the first entry to be changing:see
also modifying (and not a page number) and I can't for the life of me
remember how to format the index marker for this. Right now, I have
<$nopage>changing:see also modifying, but I am getting the entry
sorted as is. The attempt to force it to the top by using  is not
working, but I swear I did this before, but using  to get an entry
to the bottom of a list at all times. 

Help!

TIA,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Health Language, Inc.

(303) 307-4400 x254 (office)
(303) 375-0656 (fax)
www.healthlanguage.com

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unresolved x-ref to a heading in a text inset

[Tammy Van Boening]

Verner,

Cross-references with text insets are tricky. X-refs to text insets
require that the container file be specified for the inset. Since the
inset is in two different manuals (Manual A and Manual B), when you set
a reference to the inset in Manual A, then Manual A's file name and
location become part of that x-reference, so that's why the x-ref
becomes unresolved for Manual B. Conversely, when you set a reference to
the inset in Manual B, then  Manual B's file name and location become
part of that x-reference, so that's why the x-ref becomes unresolved for
Manual A. There are a variety of ways to solve this (framescript,
manually making two x-refs with conditional text, etc.) but the most
consistent and easiest way is NOT to have headings in insets. Keep the
headings in the container file and import the inset less the heading.
This way, you can set up x-refs to headings to two different manuals as
you would always in FM and not have this problem.

Let me know if you need any more help.

TVB

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Andersen,
Verner Engell VEA
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:46 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: unresolved x-ref to a heading in a text inset

Hello



2 different manuals use the same text inset and each of them have an
x-ref to the same heading in the text inset.



Whenever I open one manual and solve the unresolved x-ref, the other
manual will get an unresolved x-ref to that heading.



How do you suggest that I solve this?



Best regards,



Verner Andersen


Radiometer Medical ApS
Akandevej 21
DK-2700 Bronshoj
Denmark
Phone: +45 38 27 38 27
CVR: 13496188



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RE: unresolved x-ref to a heading in a text inset

[Tammy Van Boening]

Verner,

Cross-references with text insets are tricky. X-refs to text insets
require that the container file be specified for the inset. Since the
inset is in two different manuals (Manual A and Manual B), when you set
a reference to the inset in Manual A, then Manual A's file name and
location become part of that x-reference, so that's why the x-ref
becomes unresolved for Manual B. Conversely, when you set a reference to
the inset in Manual B, then  Manual B's file name and location become
part of that x-reference, so that's why the x-ref becomes unresolved for
Manual A. There are a variety of ways to solve this (framescript,
manually making two x-refs with conditional text, etc.) but the most
consistent and easiest way is NOT to have headings in insets. Keep the
headings in the container file and import the inset less the heading.
This way, you can set up x-refs to headings to two different manuals as
you would always in FM and not have this problem.

Let me know if you need any more help.

TVB

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Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:46 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: unresolved x-ref to a heading in a text inset

Hello

 

2 different manuals use the same text inset and each of them have an
x-ref to the same heading in the text inset.

 

Whenever I open one manual and solve the unresolved x-ref, the other
manual will get an unresolved x-ref to that heading.

 

How do you suggest that I solve this?

 

Best regards,

 

Verner Andersen


Radiometer Medical ApS
Akandevej 21
DK-2700 Bronshoj
Denmark
Phone: +45 38 27 38 27
CVR: 13496188



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OT: Attaching a graphic to a format in Word - part II

[Tammy Van Boening]

 Further clarification:

I actually want to use the same Heading1Line graphic in my Word
document. Every time I enter a Heading1, I want the graphic to appear
like it does in FM. How do I do that? It can't be in my Header or Footer
as it needs to be in the body of the document, and I can't recreate the
line using the Borders and Shading Option.  

-
Oops, Freudian slip - I am having to set up, not heaving, but that being
said. . . This is causing me to heave! 

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[mailto:stclwrsig-l-bounces+tammy.vanboening=healthlanguage.com at mailman.
stc.org] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 2:22 PM
To: stclwrsig-l at mailman.stc.org
Subject: [stclwrsig-l] Attaching a graphic to a format in Word?

For all of us Frame users out there who must suffer through Word every
now and then (and for all you Word gurus and guruesses, whom I admire
heavily for keeping your sanity) - in Framemaker, we can permanently
have a graphic placed on a page every time we use a particular paragraph
style. For example, every time I use the Heading1 style in my templates,
I have a graphic called Heading1Line that is always placed beneath the
text of the tag (through the Advanced Paragraph Properties/Reference
page function in FM.) Is there a way to do this in Word? 

I am heaving to set up a Word template for some of my professional
services folks that mimics our FM templates and I am stymied as how to
accomplish this in Word. 

TIA,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Health Language, Inc.

(303) 307-4400 x254 (office)
(303) 375-0656 (fax)
www.healthlanguage.com

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OT: Attaching a graphic to a paragraph tag in Word (like we can do in FM) - is this possible?

[Tammy Van Boening]

For all of us Frame users out there who must suffer through Word every
now and then (and for all you Word gurus and guruesses, whom I admire
heavily for keeping your sanity) - in Framemaker, we can permanently
have a graphic placed on a page every time we use a particular paragraph
style. For example, every time I use the Heading1 style in my templates,
I have a graphic called Heading1Line that is always placed beneath the
text of the tag (through the Advanced Paragraph Properties/Reference
page function in FM.) Is there a way to do this in Word? 

I am heaving to set up a Word template for some of my professional
services folks that mimics our FM templates and I am stymied as how to
accomplish this in Word. 

TIA,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Health Language, Inc.

(303) 307-4400 x254 (office)
(303) 375-0656 (fax)
www.healthlanguage.com

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OT: Attaching a graphic to a format in Word - part II

[Tammy Van Boening]

 Further clarification:

I actually want to use the same Heading1Line graphic in my Word
document. Every time I enter a Heading1, I want the graphic to appear
like it does in FM. How do I do that? It can't be in my Header or Footer
as it needs to be in the body of the document, and I can't recreate the
line using the Borders and Shading Option.  

-
Oops, Freudian slip - I am having to set up, not heaving, but that being
said. . . This is causing me to heave! 

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Subject: [stclwrsig-l] Attaching a graphic to a format in Word?

For all of us Frame users out there who must suffer through Word every
now and then (and for all you Word gurus and guruesses, whom I admire
heavily for keeping your sanity) - in Framemaker, we can permanently
have a graphic placed on a page every time we use a particular paragraph
style. For example, every time I use the Heading1 style in my templates,
I have a graphic called Heading1Line that is always placed beneath the
text of the tag (through the Advanced Paragraph Properties/Reference
page function in FM.) Is there a way to do this in Word? 

I am heaving to set up a Word template for some of my professional
services folks that mimics our FM templates and I am stymied as how to
accomplish this in Word. 

TIA,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Health Language, Inc.

(303) 307-4400 x254 (office)
(303) 375-0656 (fax)
www.healthlanguage.com

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OT: Attaching a graphic to a paragraph tag in Word (like we can do in FM) - is this possible?

[Tammy Van Boening]

For all of us Frame users out there who must suffer through Word every
now and then (and for all you Word gurus and guruesses, whom I admire
heavily for keeping your sanity) - in Framemaker, we can permanently
have a graphic placed on a page every time we use a particular paragraph
style. For example, every time I use the Heading1 style in my templates,
I have a graphic called Heading1Line that is always placed beneath the
text of the tag (through the Advanced Paragraph Properties/Reference
page function in FM.) Is there a way to do this in Word? 

I am heaving to set up a Word template for some of my professional
services folks that mimics our FM templates and I am stymied as how to
accomplish this in Word. 

TIA,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Health Language, Inc.

(303) 307-4400 x254 (office)
(303) 375-0656 (fax)
www.healthlanguage.com

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MS Word Numbering (was RE: FrameMaker uses)

[Tammy Van Boening]

And this site as well:

http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/index.html



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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:14 PM
To: Lester C. Smalley
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: MS Word Numbering (was RE: FrameMaker uses)

Lester C. Smalley wrote:
> I for one would appreciate understanding the 'proper' way to handle 
> numbering in Word.  For me, it would help to fix garbaged numbers in 
> document I receive to convert to SGML - numbering is an issue because 
> if it's wrong, the structure requires a lot of manual correction.
> 
> If you folks who actually can get it to work, reliably and 
> consistently, would not mind creating some sort of basic tutorial or 
> simplified procedure list re numbering in Word, I'm sure a great many 
> folks on this list would benefit.

I've asked for Deirdre's workshop, but can also offer this page of
resources, in particular the "Word's numbering explained" FAQ. 
(Although you may wish you had never asked...)

http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Numbering.htm

best,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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RE: MS Word Numbering (was RE: FrameMaker uses)

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And this site as well:

http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/index.html

 

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Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:14 PM
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Subject: Re: MS Word Numbering (was RE: FrameMaker uses)

Lester C. Smalley wrote:
> I for one would appreciate understanding the 'proper' way to handle 
> numbering in Word.  For me, it would help to fix garbaged numbers in 
> document I receive to convert to SGML - numbering is an issue because 
> if it's wrong, the structure requires a lot of manual correction.
> 
> If you folks who actually can get it to work, reliably and 
> consistently, would not mind creating some sort of basic tutorial or 
> simplified procedure list re numbering in Word, I'm sure a great many 
> folks on this list would benefit.

I've asked for Deirdre's workshop, but can also offer this page of
resources, in particular the "Word's numbering explained" FAQ. 
(Although you may wish you had never asked...)

http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Numbering.htm

best,

--
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Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
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What is a text inset?

[Tammy Van Boening]

Actually, you don't need an anchored frame, but you do need an anchor in
both the text inset file and the container file to anchor the text inset
into the text flow. And, Rene is correct - for optimum results, a text
inset must use the exact same formats (paragraph, character, etc.) as
the container file into which it is imported. Dennis, I work with text
insets all the time and have done many presentations on them. If you're
interested, I can send you a presentation (PPT and chapter) that details
all the ins and outs of text insets. Just let me know.

TVB 

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rene
Stephenson
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:30 PM
To: Dennis Brunnenmeyer; Fred Ridder; Neeraj Jain;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: What is a text inset?

The source can be a .txt file, and you can format it as per the
container (target / destination / display) document's formats. You can
insert it pretty much anywhere in the text flow. You don't need an
anchored frame. But, if you use an FM file as a text inset, it works
better if you make the first line of text in the text inset to be
whatever format you use as content / paragraph / body text. Sometimes if
the text inset ends with an auto-numbered format, things can get tricky,
if you're not inserting it in a similar format, but it just depends on
how your paragraph formats are set up and what kind of file you're
inserting and what your text inset settings are. Fiddle around with the
import options to get a feel for it.  :-) 

HTH
Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer 
To: Fred Ridder ; Neeraj Jain
; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Friday, May 2, 2008 4:40:14 PM
Subject: RE: What is a text inset?

Fred...

I have used FrameMaker on and off for several years. However, I've 
never taken advantage of text insets. So I too have several questions:

Must the source text be located only in another FrameMaker file?

Does it require a special text frame in the target document, or can 
it be placed in-line in the main flow, say Flow A, in the target
document?

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
**
At 12:31 PM 5/2/2008, Fred Ridder wrote:

>N. Jain asked:
>
> > I am learning FrameMaker 7.1. I have many times coming across 
> posts mentioning text insets. I am confused. What is a text inset 
> and how to insert it? Is a text insert different from a text frame? 
> Please pardon me if my question sounds foolish.
>
>A text inset is a text flow that is contained in some external
>FrameMaker file and that is inserted by reference rather than
>by copying. It is exactly parallel to inserting the contents of
>an external graphic file by reference rather than by copying
>and pasting.
>
>Text insets offer an advantage when you have chunks of text
>that appear in multiple places, either in the same book or in
>different books, but need to have the same content in all
>instances. You maintain one master copy of the content and
>insert it by reference in any file that needs it. This can be
>particularly useful for things like legal "boilerplate" (disclaimer
>paragraphs, trademark acknowledgements, etc.), common
>notices or warnings, or any piece of description that is used
>in multiple places. Another advantage is that the appearance
>of the inset is determined by the style definitions in each
>different file that references the inset; you may have the same
>text from the same source file with markedy different appearance
>in different books.
>
>Note that I referred to an inset as a text _flow_ that is inserted
>by reference. In many cases may be convenient to have each
>inset in its own FrameMaker file, but there may be cases where
>it's more convenient to use multi-flow files to contain multiple
>separate inset chunks. For example, you may have one file that
>contains a half-dozen named flows, each of which contains a
>different warning paragraph.
>
>-Fred Ridder
>
>_
>Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends.
>http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Ref
resh_skydrive_052008
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RE: What is a text inset?

[Tammy Van Boening]

Actually, you don't need an anchored frame, but you do need an anchor in
both the text inset file and the container file to anchor the text inset
into the text flow. And, Rene is correct - for optimum results, a text
inset must use the exact same formats (paragraph, character, etc.) as
the container file into which it is imported. Dennis, I work with text
insets all the time and have done many presentations on them. If you're
interested, I can send you a presentation (PPT and chapter) that details
all the ins and outs of text insets. Just let me know.

TVB 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rene
Stephenson
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:30 PM
To: Dennis Brunnenmeyer; Fred Ridder; Neeraj Jain;
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: What is a text inset?

The source can be a .txt file, and you can format it as per the
container (target / destination / display) document's formats. You can
insert it pretty much anywhere in the text flow. You don't need an
anchored frame. But, if you use an FM file as a text inset, it works
better if you make the first line of text in the text inset to be
whatever format you use as content / paragraph / body text. Sometimes if
the text inset ends with an auto-numbered format, things can get tricky,
if you're not inserting it in a similar format, but it just depends on
how your paragraph formats are set up and what kind of file you're
inserting and what your text inset settings are. Fiddle around with the
import options to get a feel for it.  :-) 

HTH
Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Fred Ridder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Neeraj Jain
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Friday, May 2, 2008 4:40:14 PM
Subject: RE: What is a text inset?

Fred...

I have used FrameMaker on and off for several years. However, I've 
never taken advantage of text insets. So I too have several questions:

Must the source text be located only in another FrameMaker file?

Does it require a special text frame in the target document, or can 
it be placed in-line in the main flow, say Flow A, in the target
document?

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
**
At 12:31 PM 5/2/2008, Fred Ridder wrote:

>N. Jain asked:
>
> > I am learning FrameMaker 7.1. I have many times coming across 
> posts mentioning text insets. I am confused. What is a text inset 
> and how to insert it? Is a text insert different from a text frame? 
> Please pardon me if my question sounds foolish.
>
>A text inset is a text flow that is contained in some external
>FrameMaker file and that is inserted by reference rather than
>by copying. It is exactly parallel to inserting the contents of
>an external graphic file by reference rather than by copying
>and pasting.
>
>Text insets offer an advantage when you have chunks of text
>that appear in multiple places, either in the same book or in
>different books, but need to have the same content in all
>instances. You maintain one master copy of the content and
>insert it by reference in any file that needs it. This can be
>particularly useful for things like legal "boilerplate" (disclaimer
>paragraphs, trademark acknowledgements, etc.), common
>notices or warnings, or any piece of description that is used
>in multiple places. Another advantage is that the appearance
>of the inset is determined by the style definitions in each
>different file that references the inset; you may have the same
>text from the same source file with markedy different appearance
>in different books.
>
>Note that I referred to an inset as a text _flow_ that is inserted
>by reference. In many cases may be convenient to have each
>inset in its own FrameMaker file, but there may be cases where
>it's more convenient to use multi-flow files to contain multiple
>separate inset chunks. For example, you may have one file that
>contains a half-dozen named flows, each of which contains a
>different warning paragraph.
>
>-Fred Ridder
>
>_
>Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends.
>http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Ref
resh_skydrive_052008
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Scripting - The Update command...

[Tammy Van Boening]

Stephen,

I went through almost the exact same painful process about two weeks ago when 
updating text insets with conditional text. Rick Quatro worked endlessly, 
tirelessly and patiently on my behalf writing and rewriting scripts to solve 
this issue. Ultimately, he decided that the FDK does not invoke a command/"do 
something" that is invoked/happens when you manually (i.e., use the keyboard) 
update the inset.  I know that this is not the answer that you want to hear, 
but unfortunately, it appears to be the case and I take Rick as being the 
definitive authority on scripting for Framemaker!

TVB


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stephen O'Brien
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:22 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Scripting - The Update command...

I have a document in a book (FM 7.2) that contains a large text inset.

When I update manually the book, the document contents and those of its text 
inset (which contains cond. formats) update correctly.

My script opens the same book and turns on the correct cond. formats one 
document at a time and then updates the book. The output is not the same. The 
text inset does not always update. I've read the command description (UPDATE) 
and updating the text insets is the automatique behavior.

Note that in other cases all works well.

Any idea what may be wrong...

Thanks for your ideas...



Stephen O'Brien
Technical Writer / R?dacteur technique
InnovMetric Software Inc. / InnovMetric Logiciels inc.
2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310
Qu?bec (Qu?bec) Canada G1N 4N6

Tel.: (418) 688-2061
Fax: (418) 688-3001
E-mail: sobrien at innovmetric.com
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Don't miss the upcoming International PolyWorks User Meeting on May 29-30, 
2008, in Montreal, Canada! 
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RE: Scripting - The Update command...

[Tammy Van Boening]

Stephen,

I went through almost the exact same painful process about two weeks ago when 
updating text insets with conditional text. Rick Quatro worked endlessly, 
tirelessly and patiently on my behalf writing and rewriting scripts to solve 
this issue. Ultimately, he decided that the FDK does not invoke a command/"do 
something" that is invoked/happens when you manually (i.e., use the keyboard) 
update the inset.  I know that this is not the answer that you want to hear, 
but unfortunately, it appears to be the case and I take Rick as being the 
definitive authority on scripting for Framemaker!

TVB


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen O'Brien
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:22 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Scripting - The Update command...

I have a document in a book (FM 7.2) that contains a large text inset.

When I update manually the book, the document contents and those of its text 
inset (which contains cond. formats) update correctly.

My script opens the same book and turns on the correct cond. formats one 
document at a time and then updates the book. The output is not the same. The 
text inset does not always update. I've read the command description (UPDATE) 
and updating the text insets is the automatique behavior.

Note that in other cases all works well.

Any idea what may be wrong...

Thanks for your ideas...



Stephen O'Brien
Technical Writer / Rédacteur technique
InnovMetric Software Inc. / InnovMetric Logiciels inc.
2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310
Québec (Québec) Canada G1N 4N6

Tel.: (418) 688-2061
Fax: (418) 688-3001
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Table continued variable not always working

[Tammy Van Boening]

Linda,

How long is your table title? If it is too long to add the variable at
the end, FM won't automatically wrap. You have force the table title to
wrap (set the right indent on the Paragraph catalog) and then you will
see the variable again.

TVB 

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Linda G.
Gallagher
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:00 PM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Table continued variable not always working

Framers,

Thanks for all the advice about pagination fine tuning. I'll be using
that info soon.

Now, I'm inserting the table continuation variable, and it doesn't
always work (FM 7.0 on Win XP). I've never seen this before.

I change to another variable in the same place, and it works just fine.
Every other variable I insert is fine, but when I return to table cont.,
it may or may not work as I look at the table continuing on the next
page (I know that I need to look at the continued part of the table on
the next page). It's very odd. 

I had one working, then I just opened the file, and not it's not any
more.

I've moved the table title from the bottom to the top and back.
Sometimes that "fixes" it, but apparently only temporarily. I've had it
happen in two different tables in two different chapters (both part of
the same book). I just looked at the other one that I'd fixed a few days
ago, and it, too, is no longer working. =:o

Has anyone else seen this? Any fixes? 

~
Linda G. Gallagher
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RE: Table continued variable not always working

[Tammy Van Boening]

Linda,

How long is your table title? If it is too long to add the variable at
the end, FM won't automatically wrap. You have force the table title to
wrap (set the right indent on the Paragraph catalog) and then you will
see the variable again.

TVB 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Linda G.
Gallagher
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Table continued variable not always working

Framers,

Thanks for all the advice about pagination fine tuning. I'll be using
that info soon.

Now, I'm inserting the table continuation variable, and it doesn't
always work (FM 7.0 on Win XP). I've never seen this before.

I change to another variable in the same place, and it works just fine.
Every other variable I insert is fine, but when I return to table cont.,
it may or may not work as I look at the table continuing on the next
page (I know that I need to look at the continued part of the table on
the next page). It's very odd. 

I had one working, then I just opened the file, and not it's not any
more.

I've moved the table title from the bottom to the top and back.
Sometimes that "fixes" it, but apparently only temporarily. I've had it
happen in two different tables in two different chapters (both part of
the same book). I just looked at the other one that I'd fixed a few days
ago, and it, too, is no longer working. =:o

Has anyone else seen this? Any fixes? 

~
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RE: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008

[Tammy Van Boening]

Rick,

My husband and I use QuickBooks Smart Start - it's made much more for
the small business owner and it doesn't have all the unnecessary bells
and whistles for a small business that more advanced versions (like Pro)
has. There's also a great "dummies book" for SmartStart. We have it and
between that and the ease of the application, it is so perfect for a
small business owner.

HTH,

TVB 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:05 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008

Hello Framers,

First of all, I want to thank all of you Framers who generously answer
my off-topic posts. I have received some great suggestions and guidance
on many topics over the years. Framers are smart! Now on to my latest OT
post.

I am getting ready to incorporate my business and my accountant
recommended QuickBooks Pro 2008. I was getting ready to buy it, but I am
a little spooked by the negative reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. Does
anyone here have any feedback on it?

Also, are there any Intuit folks on the list? I would be willing to
barter some FrameScript work for a legal copy of QuickBooks Pro 2008.
Thank you very much.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

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RE: Conditional text insets

[Tammy Van Boening]

As long as your text insets and container files have exactly the same 
conditional text options, when you pull in a text inset into a container file, 
this text inset inherits the conditional text setting of the container file. 
For example, let's say in a container file, you have Condition and Condition B, 
and you elect to show Condition A, but not Condition B. If you pull in a text 
inset that is unconditional, then it will always show. If you pull in a text 
inset that also has the conditions and you have elected show Condition A in the 
text inset, then when you pull in the text inset, it will show in the container 
file. If you have elected to show Condition B in the inset, then when you pull 
in the text inset, it will NOT show up in the container file, because the 
container file is set to show condition A. To get the text inset to show in the 
container file, you need to set the container file to show Condition B.

I do this set up all the time with hundreds and hundreds of text insets and 
many container files without any scripts. Let's say that I know that a text 
inset is about 90% the same when used between two container files, but 5% is 
needed only for Container file A and the other 5% is needed for only Container 
file B. I make sure that both container files have the conditions ContainerA 
and ContainerB. In the text inset, which must have the same conditions, I apply 
the condition of ContainerA to the text that I only want to show up in the 
Container A file. I apply the condition of ContainerB to the text that I only 
want to show up in the Container B file. Then, I make sure that in the 
Container A file, that the ContainerA condition is set to show and that the 
ContainerB condition is set to hide, then when I pull in the text inset, only 
the text marked for Container A show. (and obviously, just flip this scenario 
for Container B).

The trick is to conditionalize your inset (all or part) BEFORE you pull it into 
the container file and make sure that container file and text inset have the 
EXACT same conditional text options. The text inset then inherits the settings 
of the container file. 

HTH,

TVB

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen O'Brien
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:12 PM
To: Duncan, Gary; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Conditional text insets

Not sure I understand the problem. But I am interested because I use text 
insets (several
hundred) and conditional text formats (twenty).

Let's say that Doc1 has a text inset Doc2 which has three conditional formats 
A, B, and C.

If in Doc1 I want to see only the content of Doc2 that is flagged with 
condition C, I set show condition C in Doc1 and that's that. No problem.

The only time I had a problem with this is when I had the following case:

Doc1 has a text inset Doc2 with a text inset Doc
3 (with conditional formats called A, B, and C). 
I set show condition C in Doc1 and it didn't work! The problem I believe was 
that the condition was not defined the same way in Doc2 so the specification 
didn't make it to Doc3. I deleted the condition in Doc2 and then the correct 
condition definition (created in Doc3) was imported into Doc2 and then Doc1. I 
wonder if this is clear..helps.

I don't understand how/why a script would be useful here.

I probably don't quite understand the problem.

Good luck.

At 08:20 AM 24/04/2008, Duncan, Gary wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>
>
>We are trying to use text insets that get called into the chapter and 
>then are conditionalized from within the container file. For example, 
>if we want the content of an inset to appear only in Help, we give it a 
>HelpOnly condition from within the container file. We do not want to 
>conditionalize the text inset content itself because the condition may 
>not be appropriate in other places we use the inset.
>
>
>
>This works fine until we revise the inset and it gets called back into 
>the container file. The condition is lost. At first, it seemed like a 
>bug. But after thinking about it, it makes sense that reimporting the 
>text inset replaces everything associated with the previous version. 
>The buggy thing is that Frame still indicates that the inset is 
>conditional (in the lower left corner of the screen where the 
>paragraph/flow info shows). The conditional dialog indicates that the 
>inset is conditional, but does not indicate which condition. In the 
>end, however, the information seems bogus because if you click on 
>something else, then click back on the inset, the info is carried over 
>from the previous text you clicked on.
>
>
>
>If the conditional info was truly held in Frame, I was hoping that a 
>solution could be a script that scans for insets with associated 
>conditions and update and apply the condition. Now, I am not so hopeful.
>
>
>
>Has anyone run into this and solved the problem?
>
>
>
>Thank you...
>
>
>
>Gary
>
>___
>
>

In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008

[Tammy Van Boening]

Rick,

My husband and I use QuickBooks Smart Start - it's made much more for
the small business owner and it doesn't have all the unnecessary bells
and whistles for a small business that more advanced versions (like Pro)
has. There's also a great "dummies book" for SmartStart. We have it and
between that and the ease of the application, it is so perfect for a
small business owner.

HTH,

TVB 

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:05 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: OT: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008

Hello Framers,

First of all, I want to thank all of you Framers who generously answer
my off-topic posts. I have received some great suggestions and guidance
on many topics over the years. Framers are smart! Now on to my latest OT
post.

I am getting ready to incorporate my business and my accountant
recommended QuickBooks Pro 2008. I was getting ready to buy it, but I am
a little spooked by the negative reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. Does
anyone here have any feedback on it?

Also, are there any Intuit folks on the list? I would be willing to
barter some FrameScript work for a legal copy of QuickBooks Pro 2008.
Thank you very much.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

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Conditional text insets

[Tammy Van Boening]

As long as your text insets and container files have exactly the same 
conditional text options, when you pull in a text inset into a container file, 
this text inset inherits the conditional text setting of the container file. 
For example, let's say in a container file, you have Condition and Condition B, 
and you elect to show Condition A, but not Condition B. If you pull in a text 
inset that is unconditional, then it will always show. If you pull in a text 
inset that also has the conditions and you have elected show Condition A in the 
text inset, then when you pull in the text inset, it will show in the container 
file. If you have elected to show Condition B in the inset, then when you pull 
in the text inset, it will NOT show up in the container file, because the 
container file is set to show condition A. To get the text inset to show in the 
container file, you need to set the container file to show Condition B.

I do this set up all the time with hundreds and hundreds of text insets and 
many container files without any scripts. Let's say that I know that a text 
inset is about 90% the same when used between two container files, but 5% is 
needed only for Container file A and the other 5% is needed for only Container 
file B. I make sure that both container files have the conditions ContainerA 
and ContainerB. In the text inset, which must have the same conditions, I apply 
the condition of ContainerA to the text that I only want to show up in the 
Container A file. I apply the condition of ContainerB to the text that I only 
want to show up in the Container B file. Then, I make sure that in the 
Container A file, that the ContainerA condition is set to show and that the 
ContainerB condition is set to hide, then when I pull in the text inset, only 
the text marked for Container A show. (and obviously, just flip this scenario 
for Container B).

The trick is to conditionalize your inset (all or part) BEFORE you pull it into 
the container file and make sure that container file and text inset have the 
EXACT same conditional text options. The text inset then inherits the settings 
of the container file. 

HTH,

TVB

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stephen O'Brien
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:12 PM
To: Duncan, Gary; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Conditional text insets

Not sure I understand the problem. But I am interested because I use text 
insets (several
hundred) and conditional text formats (twenty).

Let's say that Doc1 has a text inset Doc2 which has three conditional formats 
A, B, and C.

If in Doc1 I want to see only the content of Doc2 that is flagged with 
condition C, I set show condition C in Doc1 and that's that. No problem.

The only time I had a problem with this is when I had the following case:

Doc1 has a text inset Doc2 with a text inset Doc
3 (with conditional formats called A, B, and C). 
I set show condition C in Doc1 and it didn't work! The problem I believe was 
that the condition was not defined the same way in Doc2 so the specification 
didn't make it to Doc3. I deleted the condition in Doc2 and then the correct 
condition definition (created in Doc3) was imported into Doc2 and then Doc1. I 
wonder if this is clear..helps.

I don't understand how/why a script would be useful here.

I probably don't quite understand the problem.

Good luck.

At 08:20 AM 24/04/2008, Duncan, Gary wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>
>
>We are trying to use text insets that get called into the chapter and 
>then are conditionalized from within the container file. For example, 
>if we want the content of an inset to appear only in Help, we give it a 
>HelpOnly condition from within the container file. We do not want to 
>conditionalize the text inset content itself because the condition may 
>not be appropriate in other places we use the inset.
>
>
>
>This works fine until we revise the inset and it gets called back into 
>the container file. The condition is lost. At first, it seemed like a 
>bug. But after thinking about it, it makes sense that reimporting the 
>text inset replaces everything associated with the previous version. 
>The buggy thing is that Frame still indicates that the inset is 
>conditional (in the lower left corner of the screen where the 
>paragraph/flow info shows). The conditional dialog indicates that the 
>inset is conditional, but does not indicate which condition. In the 
>end, however, the information seems bogus because if you click on 
>something else, then click back on the inset, the info is carried over 
>from the previous text you clicked on.
>
>
>
>If the conditional info was truly held in Frame, I was hoping that a 
>solution could be a script that scans for insets with associated 
>conditions and update and apply the condition. Now, I am not so hopeful.
>
>
>
>Has anyone run into this and solved the problem?
>
>
>
>Thank you...
>
>
>
>Gary
>
>_

RE: Table Footnote question

[Tammy Van Boening]

Thank you Jeremy. I wish this was spelled out explicitly in the OLH for
Framemaker. It's not there and it's definitely not in the Adobe FM
user's Guide either. I would never have thought to look under Table
Designer for Footnotes - in fact, this behavior is not mentioned
anywhere when you search on Table Footnotes. Argh.

Thanks again,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 

-Original Message-
From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:28 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Tammy Van Boening
Subject: Re: Table Footnote question

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:42:26 -0700, "Tammy Van Boening" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> FM seems stuck on basing the numbers on columns!
>
>Any advice?

Yes.  Open the Table Designer for the table you're putting the 
footnotes into, and change the Numbering item on the right from 
Column First to Row First.  Your footnotes will be renumbered
accordingly.

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  http://www.omsys.com/

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Table Footnote question

[Tammy Van Boening]

Thank you Jeremy. I wish this was spelled out explicitly in the OLH for
Framemaker. It's not there and it's definitely not in the Adobe FM
user's Guide either. I would never have thought to look under Table
Designer for Footnotes - in fact, this behavior is not mentioned
anywhere when you search on Table Footnotes. Argh.

Thanks again,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 

-Original Message-
From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:28 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Tammy Van Boening
Subject: Re: Table Footnote question

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:42:26 -0700, "Tammy Van Boening" 
 wrote:

> FM seems stuck on basing the numbers on columns!
>
>Any advice?

Yes.  Open the Table Designer for the table you're putting the 
footnotes into, and change the Numbering item on the right from 
Column First to Row First.  Your footnotes will be renumbered
accordingly.

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

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RE: Table Footnote question

[Tammy Van Boening]

Ok, so, scrap the last statement - it's because of the fact that the
footnotes are numbered based on the column on the page. On the first
page of the table, the first footnote is placed in Col 3, the second,
third, and fourth are placed in Col 4 and they are fine. The footnote on
the SECOND page is placed in Col 1, so it becomes "1" and the others are
renumbered accordingly - but that won't work - I don't want my users to
have to scroll down to page 2 to see "1", then back up to page 1 to see
"2", "3", and "4" - I want the footnote numbering to appear in the order
a user would scan the page - left to right, then top to bottom as they
read - and for the life of me, FM seems stuck on basing the numbers on
columns!

Any advice?

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 


_
From: Tammy Van Boening 
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:26 PM
To: FrameUsers List (framers@lists.frameusers.com)
Subject: Table Footnote question

I have a table that spans more than two pages. I need to insert
Footnotes into this table. I have scoured FM's OLH and can't find the
answer to this question. When I insert footnotes on page 1 of 4 of the
table, the footnotes are numbered based on the column on the page. For
example, if I place a footnote in Col 1 on page 1 and it is footnote
"1", then when I place a footnote in Col 2 of the table on page 1, it is
numbered "2" as I would expect. However, if I then scroll down the page
a bit and place a third footnote on page 1, but back in Col 1, this
footnote is NOT numbered "3" - instead, it becomes "2" and what was
footnote #2 now becomes footnote #3. Ok, I was wanting to place
footnotes markers sequentially from left to right, top to bottom (the
way people read my English manuals), but instead, it's top to bottom,
then left to right the way FM does it - Fine, I will deal with that but
what I can't figure out is the footnote numbering on the subsequent
pages of the table. If I place footnote IN THE SAME TABLE, but on a
different page, like Page #2, then the Footnote numbering starts over -
instead of being #4, it is #1 again. ARGH! What is FM NOT recognizing
the continuation of the footnotes as I am placing them in the same
table? 

I have looked at Format > Document > Numbering for the doc. Specifically
for Table Footnote, but there are no options like there are for just
Footnote. 

I need to be able to add sequential footnotes across a multiple page
table and for the life of me, since FM controls the footnote numbering
(and the FM OLH makes that painfully clear), I am about to resort to
manually numbering - but that would be a maintenance nightmare. 

TIA,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 



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Table Footnote question

[Tammy Van Boening]

I have a table that spans more than two pages. I need to insert
Footnotes into this table. I have scoured FM's OLH and can't find the
answer to this question. When I insert footnotes on page 1 of 4 of the
table, the footnotes are numbered based on the column on the page. For
example, if I place a footnote in Col 1 on page 1 and it is footnote
"1", then when I place a footnote in Col 2 of the table on page 1, it is
numbered "2" as I would expect. However, if I then scroll down the page
a bit and place a third footnote on page 1, but back in Col 1, this
footnote is NOT numbered "3" - instead, it becomes "2" and what was
footnote #2 now becomes footnote #3. Ok, I was wanting to place
footnotes markers sequentially from left to right, top to bottom (the
way people read my English manuals), but instead, it's top to bottom,
then left to right the way FM does it - Fine, I will deal with that but
what I can't figure out is the footnote numbering on the subsequent
pages of the table. If I place footnote IN THE SAME TABLE, but on a
different page, like Page #2, then the Footnote numbering starts over -
instead of being #4, it is #1 again. ARGH! What is FM NOT recognizing
the continuation of the footnotes as I am placing them in the same
table? 

I have looked at Format > Document > Numbering for the doc. Specifically
for Table Footnote, but there are no options like there are for just
Footnote. 

I need to be able to add sequential footnotes across a multiple page
table and for the life of me, since FM controls the footnote numbering
(and the FM OLH makes that painfully clear), I am about to resort to
manually numbering - but that would be a maintenance nightmare. 

TIA,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 



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Table Footnote question

[Tammy Van Boening]

Ok, so, scrap the last statement - it's because of the fact that the
footnotes are numbered based on the column on the page. On the first
page of the table, the first footnote is placed in Col 3, the second,
third, and fourth are placed in Col 4 and they are fine. The footnote on
the SECOND page is placed in Col 1, so it becomes "1" and the others are
renumbered accordingly - but that won't work - I don't want my users to
have to scroll down to page 2 to see "1", then back up to page 1 to see
"2", "3", and "4" - I want the footnote numbering to appear in the order
a user would scan the page - left to right, then top to bottom as they
read - and for the life of me, FM seems stuck on basing the numbers on
columns!

Any advice?

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 


_
From: Tammy Van Boening 
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:26 PM
To: FrameUsers List (framers at lists.frameusers.com)
Subject: Table Footnote question

I have a table that spans more than two pages. I need to insert
Footnotes into this table. I have scoured FM's OLH and can't find the
answer to this question. When I insert footnotes on page 1 of 4 of the
table, the footnotes are numbered based on the column on the page. For
example, if I place a footnote in Col 1 on page 1 and it is footnote
"1", then when I place a footnote in Col 2 of the table on page 1, it is
numbered "2" as I would expect. However, if I then scroll down the page
a bit and place a third footnote on page 1, but back in Col 1, this
footnote is NOT numbered "3" - instead, it becomes "2" and what was
footnote #2 now becomes footnote #3. Ok, I was wanting to place
footnotes markers sequentially from left to right, top to bottom (the
way people read my English manuals), but instead, it's top to bottom,
then left to right the way FM does it - Fine, I will deal with that but
what I can't figure out is the footnote numbering on the subsequent
pages of the table. If I place footnote IN THE SAME TABLE, but on a
different page, like Page #2, then the Footnote numbering starts over -
instead of being #4, it is #1 again. ARGH! What is FM NOT recognizing
the continuation of the footnotes as I am placing them in the same
table? 

I have looked at Format > Document > Numbering for the doc. Specifically
for Table Footnote, but there are no options like there are for just
Footnote. 

I need to be able to add sequential footnotes across a multiple page
table and for the life of me, since FM controls the footnote numbering
(and the FM OLH makes that painfully clear), I am about to resort to
manually numbering - but that would be a maintenance nightmare. 

TIA,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 



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Table Footnote question

[Tammy Van Boening]

I have a table that spans more than two pages. I need to insert
Footnotes into this table. I have scoured FM's OLH and can't find the
answer to this question. When I insert footnotes on page 1 of 4 of the
table, the footnotes are numbered based on the column on the page. For
example, if I place a footnote in Col 1 on page 1 and it is footnote
"1", then when I place a footnote in Col 2 of the table on page 1, it is
numbered "2" as I would expect. However, if I then scroll down the page
a bit and place a third footnote on page 1, but back in Col 1, this
footnote is NOT numbered "3" - instead, it becomes "2" and what was
footnote #2 now becomes footnote #3. Ok, I was wanting to place
footnotes markers sequentially from left to right, top to bottom (the
way people read my English manuals), but instead, it's top to bottom,
then left to right the way FM does it - Fine, I will deal with that but
what I can't figure out is the footnote numbering on the subsequent
pages of the table. If I place footnote IN THE SAME TABLE, but on a
different page, like Page #2, then the Footnote numbering starts over -
instead of being #4, it is #1 again. ARGH! What is FM NOT recognizing
the continuation of the footnotes as I am placing them in the same
table? 

I have looked at Format > Document > Numbering for the doc. Specifically
for Table Footnote, but there are no options like there are for just
Footnote. 

I need to be able to add sequential footnotes across a multiple page
table and for the life of me, since FM controls the footnote numbering
(and the FM OLH makes that painfully clear), I am about to resort to
manually numbering - but that would be a maintenance nightmare. 

TIA,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 



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Rotating a master page (body) from landscape to portrait

[Tammy Van Boening]

Actually, what works better is to create new landscape pages based on
the existing portrait pages. The following instructions are for a
two-sided document, but if your document is single-sided, then only the
instructions for the Right page would apply.

1.) Go to master pages.
2.) Add two new master page, calling it LandScape Left and Landscape
Right.
3.) On the newly named landscape page, select Format > Customize Layout
> Rotate Page and rotate CW for the right page and CCW for the left
page.
4.) Using the zoom button, select Fit Page in Window so that you can see
all the contents (main body flow and headers and footers) on the page.
5.) Next, you will need to rotate the contents on the page. Sometimes, I
delete the header and footer columns (because I can make new headers and
footers later) and shrink the main text column down so that I can access
the handles on the edge of the main text flow. The I select the main
text column and the I select Graphics > Rotate and then rotate it CCW
for the right page and CW for the left page.
8.) Now, resize the main text column (select it and stretch it) and then
add new headers and footers (if you deleted them) or simply resize them.
Don't forget to set new tab stops for the H/Fs since they are a
different size than for the portrait pages.
9.) Make sure that the flow symbols on each text column is indeed on the
left side of the page (or you rotated something in the wrong direction.)

HTH,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Theresa de
Valence
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:10 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Rotating a master page (body) from landscape to portrait

Hello Framers,

I have a book which had files which were both portrait and landscape.
The document was formatted using MasterPageMaps reference page. Since
the majority of pages were landscape, the default lwft/right "body"
pages were landscape. 

I am stealing this document to use as the structure of a new book, but I
would like to change the default left/right body pages to be portrait. 

Could you advise how to rotate the master page left/right from landscape
to portrait? (I am using Frame 8 but the book was written in 7.2)

Theresa de Valence
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RE: Rotating a master page (body) from landscape to portrait

[Tammy Van Boening]

Actually, what works better is to create new landscape pages based on
the existing portrait pages. The following instructions are for a
two-sided document, but if your document is single-sided, then only the
instructions for the Right page would apply.

1.) Go to master pages.
2.) Add two new master page, calling it LandScape Left and Landscape
Right.
3.) On the newly named landscape page, select Format > Customize Layout
> Rotate Page and rotate CW for the right page and CCW for the left
page.
4.) Using the zoom button, select Fit Page in Window so that you can see
all the contents (main body flow and headers and footers) on the page.
5.) Next, you will need to rotate the contents on the page. Sometimes, I
delete the header and footer columns (because I can make new headers and
footers later) and shrink the main text column down so that I can access
the handles on the edge of the main text flow. The I select the main
text column and the I select Graphics > Rotate and then rotate it CCW
for the right page and CW for the left page.
8.) Now, resize the main text column (select it and stretch it) and then
add new headers and footers (if you deleted them) or simply resize them.
Don't forget to set new tab stops for the H/Fs since they are a
different size than for the portrait pages.
9.) Make sure that the flow symbols on each text column is indeed on the
left side of the page (or you rotated something in the wrong direction.)

HTH,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Theresa de
Valence
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:10 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Rotating a master page (body) from landscape to portrait

Hello Framers,

I have a book which had files which were both portrait and landscape.
The document was formatted using MasterPageMaps reference page. Since
the majority of pages were landscape, the default lwft/right "body"
pages were landscape. 

I am stealing this document to use as the structure of a new book, but I
would like to change the default left/right body pages to be portrait. 

Could you advise how to rotate the master page left/right from landscape
to portrait? (I am using Frame 8 but the book was written in 7.2)

Theresa de Valence
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Automatic deletion of files after saving as PDF?

[Tammy Van Boening]

All,

Using FM 7.2 on Windows XP/SP2 with Adobe Acrobat Professional 8.0.x. I
am successfully using the Save as PDF option on my Framemaker source
files; I have the option checked of Deleting Log file upon successful
completion, however, for the life of me, I can't figure out where to
tell the application to also delete the tpdf and tps files that are also
created.  I have looked through every tab on the Adobe PDF printer
properties dialog box and even through all tabs on the Acrobat Distiller
dialog box. It's getting annoying having to manually delete these files
after the generation of a PDF. Can someone point me in the correct
direction?

Thanks,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 



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Automatic deletion of files after saving as PDF?

[Tammy Van Boening]

All,

Using FM 7.2 on Windows XP/SP2 with Adobe Acrobat Professional 8.0.x. I
am successfully using the Save as PDF option on my Framemaker source
files; I have the option checked of Deleting Log file upon successful
completion, however, for the life of me, I can't figure out where to
tell the application to also delete the tpdf and tps files that are also
created.  I have looked through every tab on the Adobe PDF printer
properties dialog box and even through all tabs on the Acrobat Distiller
dialog box. It's getting annoying having to manually delete these files
after the generation of a PDF. Can someone point me in the correct
direction?

Thanks,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 



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Conversion of a Framemaker file?

[Tammy Van Boening]

Had an offer to do so! Thanks - this list is awesome.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van
Boening
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:36 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Conversion of a Framemaker file?

All,

Using Framemaker 7.2 with all updates/patches on Windows XP/SP2. I have
several hundred inherited FM files that I need to update. One of the
files is giving me that infamous error "although the < >.fm appears to
be an fm file, it cannot be opened with this version of Framemaker."
Since I am running 7.2, I am assuming that somehow it was created with
8.0.x (which is weird since the version of FM that I am running is what
my predecessor also used.)  Does anyone out there have FM 8.0 that would
be willing to open this file and save it as a .mif so that I can get it
converted to a 7.2 file? (I have tried that heroic open command but to
no avail either.)

TIA,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 



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Conversion of a Framemaker file?

[Tammy Van Boening]

All,

Using Framemaker 7.2 with all updates/patches on Windows XP/SP2. I have
several hundred inherited FM files that I need to update. One of the
files is giving me that infamous error "although the < >.fm appears to
be an fm file, it cannot be opened with this version of Framemaker."
Since I am running 7.2, I am assuming that somehow it was created with
8.0.x (which is weird since the version of FM that I am running is what
my predecessor also used.)  Does anyone out there have FM 8.0 that would
be willing to open this file and save it as a .mif so that I can get it
converted to a 7.2 file? (I have tried that heroic open command but to
no avail either.)

TIA,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 



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RE: Conversion of a Framemaker file?

[Tammy Van Boening]

Had an offer to do so! Thanks - this list is awesome.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tammy Van
Boening
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:36 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Conversion of a Framemaker file?

All,

Using Framemaker 7.2 with all updates/patches on Windows XP/SP2. I have
several hundred inherited FM files that I need to update. One of the
files is giving me that infamous error "although the < >.fm appears to
be an fm file, it cannot be opened with this version of Framemaker."
Since I am running 7.2, I am assuming that somehow it was created with
8.0.x (which is weird since the version of FM that I am running is what
my predecessor also used.)  Does anyone out there have FM 8.0 that would
be willing to open this file and save it as a .mif so that I can get it
converted to a 7.2 file? (I have tried that heroic open command but to
no avail either.)

TIA,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 



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Conversion of a Framemaker file?

[Tammy Van Boening]

All,

Using Framemaker 7.2 with all updates/patches on Windows XP/SP2. I have
several hundred inherited FM files that I need to update. One of the
files is giving me that infamous error "although the < >.fm appears to
be an fm file, it cannot be opened with this version of Framemaker."
Since I am running 7.2, I am assuming that somehow it was created with
8.0.x (which is weird since the version of FM that I am running is what
my predecessor also used.)  Does anyone out there have FM 8.0 that would
be willing to open this file and save it as a .mif so that I can get it
converted to a 7.2 file? (I have tried that heroic open command but to
no avail either.)

TIA,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 



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OT: Default postscript level in Adobe Reader 7.0?

[Tammy Van Boening]

All,

Posting on behalf of a colleague who is NOT a TW and who works in a
location that has no TWs on site or any support for "writing" related
issues. When trying to print to any PDF from Adobe Reader (7.0 with all
patches/updates) to an HP printer, supposedly Adobe Reader picks the
correct PostScript level (1, 2, or 3) based on the selected printer. The
default value is PostScript Level 3 in Reader and the automatic
selection of the correct level doesn't fly when the printer is selected.
He has to manually change the postscript level to 2. Is there a way to
set the default level to PostScript Level 2 so that every single time he
prints a PDF he doesn't have to remember to do this?  (I have searched
online for answers to this, but the Adobe Reader User's guide just makes
the claim that the Adobe Reader picks the correct PostScript level (1,
2, or 3) based on the selected printer) and numerous bugs/issues around
this problem (in particular, when updating to 8) are all over the adobe
forum.

TIA,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
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OT: Default postscript level in Adobe Reader 7.0?

[Tammy Van Boening]

All,

Posting on behalf of a colleague who is NOT a TW and who works in a
location that has no TWs on site or any support for "writing" related
issues. When trying to print to any PDF from Adobe Reader (7.0 with all
patches/updates) to an HP printer, supposedly Adobe Reader picks the
correct PostScript level (1, 2, or 3) based on the selected printer. The
default value is PostScript Level 3 in Reader and the automatic
selection of the correct level doesn't fly when the printer is selected.
He has to manually change the postscript level to 2. Is there a way to
set the default level to PostScript Level 2 so that every single time he
prints a PDF he doesn't have to remember to do this?  (I have searched
online for answers to this, but the Adobe Reader User's guide just makes
the claim that the Adobe Reader picks the correct PostScript level (1,
2, or 3) based on the selected printer) and numerous bugs/issues around
this problem (in particular, when updating to 8) are all over the adobe
forum.

TIA,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 



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RE: Questions on viewing conditional text

[Tammy Van Boening]

Brad,

Make sure to turn off your condition indicators before printing to PDF
(an option in the Show/Hide Conditional Text dialog box).
 
Make sure to apply the conditional text setting to the entire paragraph
tagged as a bullet, including the paragraph indicator/marker itself.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 


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sers.com] On Behalf Of Brad Simmons
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:37 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Questions on viewing conditional text

Hello fellow FM users,

I'm delving into the world of conditional text for the first time since
I started using FrameMaker, and I've encountered a couple of unforseen
problems. I'm wondering if someone knows how to work around these?

1. First, I've marked the two versions of my manual with two different
colors. This is quite handy when I'm working with my file before I've
printed it. However, when I went to make the .PDF, I was surprised to
find that it preserved these colors in the PDF! I didn't want it to do
that - I want my conditional text to look like regular text. 

First Question: Is there any way I can specify that the colors are
viewed on the screen only, and not in the final outputted document?

2. Second, I've specified a number of bulleted items as conditional
text. FM had no problem making the text conditional, but it completely
ignored the bullets themselves, and thus I have bullets hanging out on
the page with no text after them. This looks pretty weird.

Second question: Is there a way to specify to FM that the bullets have
to be included with the conditional text?

Thanks,

Brad Simmons
Technical Writer
Ag-Leader Technology
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Questions on viewing conditional text

[Tammy Van Boening]

Brad,

Make sure to turn off your condition indicators before printing to PDF
(an option in the Show/Hide Conditional Text dialog box).

Make sure to apply the conditional text setting to the entire paragraph
tagged as a bullet, including the paragraph indicator/marker itself.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 


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From:
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sers.com] On Behalf Of Brad Simmons
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:37 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Questions on viewing conditional text

Hello fellow FM users,

I'm delving into the world of conditional text for the first time since
I started using FrameMaker, and I've encountered a couple of unforseen
problems. I'm wondering if someone knows how to work around these?

1. First, I've marked the two versions of my manual with two different
colors. This is quite handy when I'm working with my file before I've
printed it. However, when I went to make the .PDF, I was surprised to
find that it preserved these colors in the PDF! I didn't want it to do
that - I want my conditional text to look like regular text. 

First Question: Is there any way I can specify that the colors are
viewed on the screen only, and not in the final outputted document?

2. Second, I've specified a number of bulleted items as conditional
text. FM had no problem making the text conditional, but it completely
ignored the bullets themselves, and thus I have bullets hanging out on
the page with no text after them. This looks pretty weird.

Second question: Is there a way to specify to FM that the bullets have
to be included with the conditional text?

Thanks,

Brad Simmons
Technical Writer
Ag-Leader Technology
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RE: PDF contradiction?

[Tammy Van Boening]

Thanks everyone for the help and replies. Much appreciated.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:30 PM
To: Tammy Van Boening; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: PDF contradiction?

Tammy Van Boening wrote: 
 
> ... According to all the hulla-bulloo about this 8.0 
> release, I can enable commenting rights in a PDF so that my 
> Adobe Reader users can participate in shared reviews of the 
> PDF. So, I followed the instructions to the "T" provided in 
> the Adobe Acrobat Online Help and this is the problem:
> 
>  
> 
> 1.) Create the PDF.
> 
> 2.) In the open PDF, choose Comments > Enable For Commenting in
> Adobe Reader and save the PDF.
> 
> 3.) Start the wizard to initiate the shared review. Step 4 in this
> wizard is to select the PDF that is to be reviewed (natch!), 
> so I select the PDF that I saved in Step 2, but here's the rub:

DISCLAIMER: I'm using Acro 7; undoubtedly, Adobe has made random changes
to what it calls things and the details of how they work. 

That said, I think you're doing two things that are similar, but not the
same, and you should be doing one or the other, but not both. It's
understandable; the help explains them poorly (at least in 7). 

If you're going to email the PDF to someone and want their comments
back, all you need to do is step 2 above. A Save As dialog prompts you
to save a copy of the PDF (you can overwrite the original if you
insist). Send that copy, which has the "special features" enabled to
allow commenting in Reader. *Don't do step 3 (the wizard). I've done
this many times, and never used the wizard. 

You need one of the wizards (under Comments > Send for Review) _only_ if
you want to see multiple people's comments merged into one document. In
that case, *don't* select Comments > Enable For Commenting first; just
go straight to the wizard. 

HTH!
Richard


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303-223-5111
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rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
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PDF contradiction?

[Tammy Van Boening]

Thanks everyone for the help and replies. Much appreciated.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer 
Health Language, Inc. 
Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 
www.healthlanguage.com 

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:30 PM
To: Tammy Van Boening; Framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF contradiction?

Tammy Van Boening wrote: 

> ... According to all the hulla-bulloo about this 8.0 
> release, I can enable commenting rights in a PDF so that my 
> Adobe Reader users can participate in shared reviews of the 
> PDF. So, I followed the instructions to the "T" provided in 
> the Adobe Acrobat Online Help and this is the problem:
> 
>  
> 
> 1.) Create the PDF.
> 
> 2.) In the open PDF, choose Comments > Enable For Commenting in
> Adobe Reader and save the PDF.
> 
> 3.) Start the wizard to initiate the shared review. Step 4 in this
> wizard is to select the PDF that is to be reviewed (natch!), 
> so I select the PDF that I saved in Step 2, but here's the rub:

DISCLAIMER: I'm using Acro 7; undoubtedly, Adobe has made random changes
to what it calls things and the details of how they work. 

That said, I think you're doing two things that are similar, but not the
same, and you should be doing one or the other, but not both. It's
understandable; the help explains them poorly (at least in 7). 

If you're going to email the PDF to someone and want their comments
back, all you need to do is step 2 above. A Save As dialog prompts you
to save a copy of the PDF (you can overwrite the original if you
insist). Send that copy, which has the "special features" enabled to
allow commenting in Reader. *Don't do step 3 (the wizard). I've done
this many times, and never used the wizard. 

You need one of the wizards (under Comments > Send for Review) _only_ if
you want to see multiple people's comments merged into one document. In
that case, *don't* select Comments > Enable For Commenting first; just
go straight to the wizard. 

HTH!
Richard


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--
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PDF contradiction?

[Tammy Van Boening]

All,

 

I have installed Acrobat 8 Professional on my system (Windows XP, SP2)
and have used the save as PDF successfully with Framemaker 7.2 to create
my PDFs.  I want to be able to send out these PDFs for review to my
users who have only Reader 8.0. According to all the hulla-bulloo about
this 8.0 release, I can enable commenting rights in a PDF so that my
Adobe Reader users can participate in shared reviews of the PDF. So, I
followed the instructions to the "T" provided in the Adobe Acrobat
Online Help and this is the problem:

 

1.) Create the PDF.

2.) In the open PDF, choose Comments > Enable For Commenting in
Adobe Reader and save the PDF.

3.) Start the wizard to initiate the shared review. Step 4 in this
wizard is to select the PDF that is to be reviewed (natch!), so I select
the PDF that I saved in Step 2, but here's the rub:

 

When I click Next in the Wizard after selecting the PDF, I get the
following error message: the document that you have chosen cannot be
sent for shared review because the security permissions do not allow
modifications. Please select another document or change the permissions
on this document to allow for modifications. So, I checked the security
permissions and yes, the document does not allow for changing but that's
because certain features must be restricted to allow for extended
features in Adobe Reader. I GIVE - it's an infinite loop here. If I do
change the security permissions on the doc, then the doc is not enabled
for commenting by my Reader users, but if I follow Adobe's instructions
to extend the features to my Reader users, then Acrobat barfs and won't
let me set up a shared review - all in direct contradiction of what
Adobe claims can happen.

 

Anyone familiar with this apparent contraction and/or knows what to do
to enable Reader users to be able to participate in a shared review?

 

Any and all help is appreciated.

 

 

Thanks,

 

TVB


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PDF contradiction?

[Tammy Van Boening]

All,



I have installed Acrobat 8 Professional on my system (Windows XP, SP2)
and have used the save as PDF successfully with Framemaker 7.2 to create
my PDFs.  I want to be able to send out these PDFs for review to my
users who have only Reader 8.0. According to all the hulla-bulloo about
this 8.0 release, I can enable commenting rights in a PDF so that my
Adobe Reader users can participate in shared reviews of the PDF. So, I
followed the instructions to the "T" provided in the Adobe Acrobat
Online Help and this is the problem:



1.) Create the PDF.

2.) In the open PDF, choose Comments > Enable For Commenting in
Adobe Reader and save the PDF.

3.) Start the wizard to initiate the shared review. Step 4 in this
wizard is to select the PDF that is to be reviewed (natch!), so I select
the PDF that I saved in Step 2, but here's the rub:



When I click Next in the Wizard after selecting the PDF, I get the
following error message: the document that you have chosen cannot be
sent for shared review because the security permissions do not allow
modifications. Please select another document or change the permissions
on this document to allow for modifications. So, I checked the security
permissions and yes, the document does not allow for changing but that's
because certain features must be restricted to allow for extended
features in Adobe Reader. I GIVE - it's an infinite loop here. If I do
change the security permissions on the doc, then the doc is not enabled
for commenting by my Reader users, but if I follow Adobe's instructions
to extend the features to my Reader users, then Acrobat barfs and won't
let me set up a shared review - all in direct contradiction of what
Adobe claims can happen.



Anyone familiar with this apparent contraction and/or knows what to do
to enable Reader users to be able to participate in a shared review?



Any and all help is appreciated.





Thanks,



TVB


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Customizing online help?

[Tammy Van Boening]

> All,
> 
> I swear I remember reading in an STC article/letter, or on some list
> about a new tool that allows end-users to customize the OLH delivered
> with applications without needing the source files or the tool. I know
> about Flex Help, but I also swear (been doing that a lot today) that
> this was NOT the tool mentioned - it was another one! 
> 
> Any feedback is appreciated!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> TVB
> 
> Tammy L. Van Boening
> Engineering Technical Writer
> Fiserv Insurance Solutions 
> Property and Casualty Division
> 303-729-7733
> tammy.vanboening at fiserv.com
> **
> *
> Keep smiling, at least until you get your own way.
> 

Customizing online help?

[Tammy Van Boening]

> All,
> 
> I swear I remember reading in an STC article/letter, or on some list
> about a new tool that allows end-users to customize the OLH delivered
> with applications without needing the source files or the tool. I know
> about Flex Help, but I also swear (been doing that a lot today) that
> this was NOT the tool mentioned - it was another one! 
> 
> Any feedback is appreciated!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> TVB
> 
> Tammy L. Van Boening
> Engineering Technical Writer
> Fiserv Insurance Solutions 
> Property and Casualty Division
> 303-729-7733
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> **
> *
> Keep smiling, at least until you get your own way.
> 
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ANN: Additional information for Framemaker Seminars in Denver on 1/5 and 1/6, 2007

[Tammy Van Boening]

FRAMEMAKER HANDS-ON TRAINING JANUARY 5-6, 2007

STC is very excited to be offering another FrameMaker hands-on training
class in January in conjunction with Metropolitan State College of
Denver. This is a two-day class, but you can take one or both days (the
two-day option is discounted). We offer this training again because so
many people asked for it.
When: 
FrameMaker Basics, January 5, 2007, from 8:30-4:30 (link to syllabi for
both classes at http://www.stcrmc.org/index.html)
FrameMaker Intermediate, January 6, 2007, from 8:30-4:30

Where: Metro South Computer Lab, 5660 Greenwood Plaza Blvd, Greenwood
Village, CO 80111

Cost: For STC members, the one workshop is $175. Both workshops when a
member registers for both at the same time is $315. For non-members,
cost is $190 for either day and $342 for both days (a fraction of the
market price for Frame training!) Price includes beverages, continental
breakfast, and box lunch.

Go to http://www.stcrmc.org/ and click one of the Register Now buttons
to register. You can enroll in the basic course, the intermediate
course, or both at a discounted price. There is limited space available,
so if you want to attend, please register as soon as possible. We do
expect the class to fill up quickly.
Please note: To benefit at all from these workshops, you MUST bring a
copy of Framemaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book (Adobe)
 . You can purchase this online at Amazon or anywhere else you
can.

If you have questions that are not addressed on the Web site, you can
contact Bette Frick (STC Seminars Manager) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
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ANN: Basic and Intermediate Framemaker Training in South Denver, January 5th and 6th, 2007

[Tammy Van Boening]

Framemaker seminars announced

Enroll in a basic or immediate FrameMaker course (or both at a discount)
at 
Metro State, South Denver Campus
5660 Greenwood Plaza Blvd., #100 
Greenwood Village, CO 80111 
(303)721-1313
This is back by popular demand from our last FrameMaker seminar taught
by several Rocky Mountain Chapter of the STC FrameMaker gurus.
The basic course is scheduled for Friday, January 5, 2007, from 8:30 am
to 4:30 pm.
The intermediate course is scheduled for Saturday, January 6, 2007, from
8:30 am to 4:30 pm.
Or, enroll in both and get a discount. Register now while seats are
still available. There will be a limit on the number of enrollees. 
Important Note: Through Dec. 26, 2006, enrollment is only open to STC
RMC members and to Metropolitan State College students (students must
show their college ID at the door). From Dec. 26-29 nonmembers may
enroll. We will check enrollees who register as STC RMC members against
our membership list. Those who do not qualify for enrollment under these
terms will be bounced and will face a financial penalty.
Go to www.stcrmc.org for more information.

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ANN: Additional information for Framemaker Seminars in Denver on 1/5 and 1/6, 2007

[Tammy Van Boening]

FRAMEMAKER HANDS-ON TRAINING JANUARY 5-6, 2007

STC is very excited to be offering another FrameMaker hands-on training
class in January in conjunction with Metropolitan State College of
Denver. This is a two-day class, but you can take one or both days (the
two-day option is discounted). We offer this training again because so
many people asked for it.
When: 
FrameMaker Basics, January 5, 2007, from 8:30-4:30 (link to syllabi for
both classes at http://www.stcrmc.org/index.html)
FrameMaker Intermediate, January 6, 2007, from 8:30-4:30

Where: Metro South Computer Lab, 5660 Greenwood Plaza Blvd, Greenwood
Village, CO 80111

Cost: For STC members, the one workshop is $175. Both workshops when a
member registers for both at the same time is $315. For non-members,
cost is $190 for either day and $342 for both days (a fraction of the
market price for Frame training!) Price includes beverages, continental
breakfast, and box lunch.

Go to http://www.stcrmc.org/ and click one of the Register Now buttons
to register. You can enroll in the basic course, the intermediate
course, or both at a discounted price. There is limited space available,
so if you want to attend, please register as soon as possible. We do
expect the class to fill up quickly.
Please note: To benefit at all from these workshops, you MUST bring a
copy of Framemaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book (Adobe)
 . You can purchase this online at Amazon or anywhere else you
can.

If you have questions that are not addressed on the Web site, you can
contact Bette Frick (STC Seminars Manager) at efrick at textdoctor.com or
call her at 303-527-2989.

ANN: Basic and Intermediate Framemaker Training in South Denver, January 5th and 6th, 2007

[Tammy Van Boening]

Framemaker seminars announced

Enroll in a basic or immediate FrameMaker course (or both at a discount)
at 
Metro State, South Denver Campus
5660 Greenwood Plaza Blvd., #100 
Greenwood Village, CO 80111 
(303)721-1313
This is back by popular demand from our last FrameMaker seminar taught
by several Rocky Mountain Chapter of the STC FrameMaker gurus.
The basic course is scheduled for Friday, January 5, 2007, from 8:30 am
to 4:30 pm.
The intermediate course is scheduled for Saturday, January 6, 2007, from
8:30 am to 4:30 pm.
Or, enroll in both and get a discount. Register now while seats are
still available. There will be a limit on the number of enrollees. 
Important Note: Through Dec. 26, 2006, enrollment is only open to STC
RMC members and to Metropolitan State College students (students must
show their college ID at the door). From Dec. 26-29 nonmembers may
enroll. We will check enrollees who register as STC RMC members against
our membership list. Those who do not qualify for enrollment under these
terms will be bounced and will face a financial penalty.
Go to www.stcrmc.org for more information.

Using graphics from a reference page

[Tammy Van Boening]

I know how to place a line above or below text using reference page
graphics and the advanced properties for the paragraph, but is there a
way to place graphics on either side of a single piece of text? I am
making a Glossary and for the GlossaryEntry paragraph tag (A, B, C,
etc.), I have been asked to mimic some legacy stuff and on either side
of an entry, place a double line that is aligned at the mid-point of the
paragraph. (I hope this makes sense). Right now, I am using a three
column, single row table with all borders hidden and the letter (A, B,
etc.) formatted as I want in the center column and a paragraph tag that
pulls a double line graphic from the reference page in the first and
third columns, but I am hoping for a more elegant approach.

Any and all help is appreciated.

TIA,

TVB


Tammy L. Van Boening
Engineering Technical Writer
Fiserv Insurance Solutions 
Property and Casualty Division
303-729-7733
tammy.vanboening at fiserv.com
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Using graphics from a reference page

[Tammy Van Boening]

I know how to place a line above or below text using reference page
graphics and the advanced properties for the paragraph, but is there a
way to place graphics on either side of a single piece of text? I am
making a Glossary and for the GlossaryEntry paragraph tag (A, B, C,
etc.), I have been asked to mimic some legacy stuff and on either side
of an entry, place a double line that is aligned at the mid-point of the
paragraph. (I hope this makes sense). Right now, I am using a three
column, single row table with all borders hidden and the letter (A, B,
etc.) formatted as I want in the center column and a paragraph tag that
pulls a double line graphic from the reference page in the first and
third columns, but I am hoping for a more elegant approach.

Any and all help is appreciated.

TIA,

TVB


Tammy L. Van Boening
Engineering Technical Writer
Fiserv Insurance Solutions 
Property and Casualty Division
303-729-7733
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PDF Problem

[Tammy Van Boening]

I am posting this on behalf of a colleague
(pearsontechcomm at comcast.net). If you respond to the list, please cc her
as
well or you can respond to her directly. Thanks all!

>Hi all,
>For a while now, I've had the most annoying PDF problem. About half
the
>PDFs I try to open (these are all PDFs I did not create with my own
>Adobe
>software) display nothing, and I get the message "A drawing error
>occurred." This is really becoming a problem now.
>
>I have Acrobat 7.0 Professional. Sometimes the PDFs will print
>correctly, even though I can't see anything on the screen. I know
>something is in the PDFs because I get a flash of text or a graphic
>before they go blank (when they're opening). Or the first page will
be
>displayed, then, when I go to the second page, I'll get the error
>message and a blank page and, when I go back to the first page,
it's
>now blank as well.
>
>Any ideas?! Thanks!
>


Tammy L. Van Boening
Engineering Technical Writer
Fiserv Insurance Solutions 
Property and Casualty Division
303-729-7733
tammy.vanboening at fiserv.com
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PDF Problem

[Tammy Van Boening]

I am posting this on behalf of a colleague
([EMAIL PROTECTED]). If you respond to the list, please cc her
as
well or you can respond to her directly. Thanks all!

>Hi all,
>For a while now, I've had the most annoying PDF problem. About half
the
>PDFs I try to open (these are all PDFs I did not create with my own
>Adobe
>software) display nothing, and I get the message "A drawing error
>occurred." This is really becoming a problem now.
>
>I have Acrobat 7.0 Professional. Sometimes the PDFs will print
>correctly, even though I can't see anything on the screen. I know
>something is in the PDFs because I get a flash of text or a graphic
>before they go blank (when they're opening). Or the first page will
be
>displayed, then, when I go to the second page, I'll get the error
>message and a blank page and, when I go back to the first page,
it's
>now blank as well.
>
>Any ideas?! Thanks!
>


Tammy L. Van Boening
Engineering Technical Writer
Fiserv Insurance Solutions 
Property and Casualty Division
303-729-7733
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landscape pages in a portrait book (DOH!)

[Tammy Van Boening]

Rene,

I am not sure how the understanding of portrait pages that you describe
(about having a landscape page in a book of otherwise portrait pages.
The consensus seemed to be that although it can be done by inserting a
separate file for the landscape pages and adjusting the page numbering
settings accordingly), came about, but I can assure you unequivocally
that this is not the case. I have a master template file that is a
single file that has all portrait pages for Master pages, save one, and
it's my Landscape page. No special/separate file or numbering properties
are needed. If you decide that you want to have a landscape page in your
file, let me know and I can send you the instructions for how to set it
up in a file.

FWIW, my users have always given very positive feedback about using
landscape pages when necessary. Having all of the information in a
single view was way more helpful than having to scroll through multiple
pages.

HTH,

TVB  

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+tvanboening=insureworx@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+tvanboening=insureworx.com at lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Rene Stephenson
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:27 AM
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: landscape pages in a portrait book (DOH!)

Hi All,

  Not too long ago, there was some discussion about having a landscape
page in a book of otherwise portrait pages. The concensus seemed to be
that although it can be done by inserting a separate file for the
landscape pages and adjusting the page numbering settings accordingly,
it doesn't fit good usability models. My gut tells me it's a proverbial
Pandora's box.

  Well, now we've got the same issue: someone says a secondary audience
(internal) for the doc in question want to see all the alarm info in one
big landscape table, rather than chunked in ways that facilitate
presenting on a portrait page. Our primary audience is external
customers. And the "someone" is a Word user who likes to "cowboy" the
formatting, regardless of what's in the templates. So, before I spend
the time to develop a landscape template and train the writers on when
it's OK to use it and how to make it function, could someone please tell
me where I could find some sound usability studies that weigh in on
either side of this issue?


  Thanks,
  Rene Stephenson


Rene L. Stephenson
eNovative Solutions, Inc.
Business Phone: 678-513-0051
Email: rinnie1 at yahoo.com



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General TW question

[Tammy Van Boening]

All, 
Working on a design doc., some of which will translate into the User's
guide information. My developer's are referring to everything as a
screen. However, I am working in an HTML-rendered environment, so I
would like to use "page", especially since (as per MS's Manual of Style
for Tech. Pubs), a "screen" is defined as the graphic portion of a
visual output device and this definition cross-references display and
monitor. For the "pop-ups" that may open when a user clicks on an option
on the page, the developers are using the term window. At other gigs, we
have used dialog box, pop-up dialog box, pop-up, and pop-up window, so
obviously, the terminology can be all over the board. Summation - I am
wanting to use the following terms:
Page 
Window (for the classic pop-up available on a web page) 
Tabs (available on the page) 
Any thoughts, suggestions, comments, disagreements, comments from
similar experiences? 
TIA,

TVB

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OT: Use of page vs. window vs. screen

[Tammy Van Boening]

All, 

Working on a design doc., some of which will translate into the User's
guide information. My developer's are referring to everything as a
screen. However, I am working in an HTML-rendered environment, so I
would like to use "page", especially since (as per MS's Manual of Style
for Tech. Pubs), a "screen" is defined as the graphic portion of  a
visual output device and this definition cross-references display and
monitor. For the "pop-ups" that may open when a user clicks on an option
on the page, the developers are using the term window. At other gigs, we
have used dialog box, pop-up dialog box, pop-up, and pop-up window, so
obviously, the terminology can be all over the board. Summation - I am
wanting to use the following terms:

Page 
 Pop-up Window (for the classic pop-up available on a web page) 
Tabs (available on the page) 

Any thoughts, suggestions, comments, disagreements, comments from
similar experiences? 

TIA, 

TVB 

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Engineering Technical Writer 
InsureWorx, now a Fiserv Company 
303-729-7733 
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OT: use of terms - screen, page, and window

[Tammy Van Boening]

For all the writers on this list who have had to define a solid list of
terms in their Styles and Standards:


Working on a design doc., some of which will translate into the User's
guide information. My developer's are referring to everything as a
screen. However, I am working in an HTML-rendered environment, so I
would like to use "page", especially since (as per MS's Manual of Style
for Tech. Pubs), a "screen" is defined as the graphic portion of  a
visual output device and this definition cross-references display and
monitor. For the "pop-ups" that may open when a user clicks on an option
on the page, the developers are using the term window. At other gigs, we
have used dialog box, pop-up dialog box, pop-up, and pop-up window, so
obviously, the terminology can be all over the board. Summation - I am
wanting to use the following terms:

Page
Window (for the classic pop-up available on a web page)
Tabs (available on the page) 

Any thoughts, suggestions, comments, disagreements, comments from
similar experiences?

TIA,

TVB


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General TW question

[Tammy Van Boening]

All, 
Working on a design doc., some of which will translate into the User's
guide information. My developer's are referring to everything as a
screen. However, I am working in an HTML-rendered environment, so I
would like to use "page", especially since (as per MS's Manual of Style
for Tech. Pubs), a "screen" is defined as the graphic portion of a
visual output device and this definition cross-references display and
monitor. For the "pop-ups" that may open when a user clicks on an option
on the page, the developers are using the term window. At other gigs, we
have used dialog box, pop-up dialog box, pop-up, and pop-up window, so
obviously, the terminology can be all over the board. Summation - I am
wanting to use the following terms:
Page 
Window (for the classic pop-up available on a web page) 
Tabs (available on the page) 
Any thoughts, suggestions, comments, disagreements, comments from
similar experiences? 
TIA,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Engineering Technical Writer
InsureWorx, now a Fiserv Company
303-729-7733
tvanboening at insureworx.com
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OT: Use of page vs. window vs. screen

[Tammy Van Boening]

All, 

Working on a design doc., some of which will translate into the User's
guide information. My developer's are referring to everything as a
screen. However, I am working in an HTML-rendered environment, so I
would like to use "page", especially since (as per MS's Manual of Style
for Tech. Pubs), a "screen" is defined as the graphic portion of  a
visual output device and this definition cross-references display and
monitor. For the "pop-ups" that may open when a user clicks on an option
on the page, the developers are using the term window. At other gigs, we
have used dialog box, pop-up dialog box, pop-up, and pop-up window, so
obviously, the terminology can be all over the board. Summation - I am
wanting to use the following terms:

Page 
 Pop-up Window (for the classic pop-up available on a web page) 
Tabs (available on the page) 

Any thoughts, suggestions, comments, disagreements, comments from
similar experiences? 

TIA, 

TVB 

Tammy Van Boening 
Engineering Technical Writer 
InsureWorx, now a Fiserv Company 
303-729-7733 
tvanboening at insureworx.com 
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OT: use of terms - screen, page, and window

[Tammy Van Boening]

For all the writers on this list who have had to define a solid list of
terms in their Styles and Standards:


Working on a design doc., some of which will translate into the User's
guide information. My developer's are referring to everything as a
screen. However, I am working in an HTML-rendered environment, so I
would like to use "page", especially since (as per MS's Manual of Style
for Tech. Pubs), a "screen" is defined as the graphic portion of  a
visual output device and this definition cross-references display and
monitor. For the "pop-ups" that may open when a user clicks on an option
on the page, the developers are using the term window. At other gigs, we
have used dialog box, pop-up dialog box, pop-up, and pop-up window, so
obviously, the terminology can be all over the board. Summation - I am
wanting to use the following terms:

Page
Window (for the classic pop-up available on a web page)
Tabs (available on the page) 

Any thoughts, suggestions, comments, disagreements, comments from
similar experiences?

TIA,

TVB


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Engineering Technical Writer
InsureWorx, now a Fiserv Company
303-729-7733
tvanboening at insureworx.com
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RE: Cond Text in a text inset

[Tammy Van Boening]

No - just be aware that the inset inherits the conditions of its
container file. So, for example, if your inset uses Condition B, and you
import it into a Container file that uses Condition A, then the inset
will also use Condition A. The best approach is to make sure that your
container files and text insets have exactly the same conditions and set
the conditions that you want in the container file.

HTH,

TVB 


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On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 8:12 AM
To: Framers
Subject: Cond Text in a text inset

Is there any problem using conditional text inside of a text inset?

-- 

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
052-763-7133

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Cond Text in a text inset

[Tammy Van Boening]

No - just be aware that the inset inherits the conditions of its
container file. So, for example, if your inset uses Condition B, and you
import it into a Container file that uses Condition A, then the inset
will also use Condition A. The best approach is to make sure that your
container files and text insets have exactly the same conditions and set
the conditions that you want in the container file.

HTH,

TVB 


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Engineering Technical Writer
InsureWorx, now a Fiserv Company
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On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 8:12 AM
To: Framers
Subject: Cond Text in a text inset

Is there any problem using conditional text inside of a text inset?

-- 

Regards,
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052-763-7133

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Clear Quest/Case with Framemaker files

[Tammy Van Boening]

All,

My SCM guy is swearing that Framemaker and Clear Quest/Case don't play
nicely together. I am not even remotely knowledgeable enough about Clear
Quest/Case to refute any of his concerns. At previous gigs, we used
either CMVC and therefore, just checked in/out the PDFs (never had to
deal w/ the Framemaker source files) or VSS, which meant that Framemaker
source files were not an issue. VSS handled them just fine. If anybody
can provide any insight whatsoever about using Framemaker and having
Clear Quest/Case as your source control tool that would be great. Is
there anything special that I have to do with the Framemaker source
files. (Right now, my SCM guy wants me to save them as XML files - I
can't intelligently explain as to why this is his reasoning), and I
don't see any need to link the Framemaker files in a book in Clear Case,
but he says that has to be done and he needs to figure out how. So, any
and all advice is appreciated.

Thanks in Advance,

TVB

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Clear Quest/Case with Framemaker files

[Tammy Van Boening]

All,

My SCM guy is swearing that Framemaker and Clear Quest/Case don't play
nicely together. I am not even remotely knowledgeable enough about Clear
Quest/Case to refute any of his concerns. At previous gigs, we used
either CMVC and therefore, just checked in/out the PDFs (never had to
deal w/ the Framemaker source files) or VSS, which meant that Framemaker
source files were not an issue. VSS handled them just fine. If anybody
can provide any insight whatsoever about using Framemaker and having
Clear Quest/Case as your source control tool that would be great. Is
there anything special that I have to do with the Framemaker source
files. (Right now, my SCM guy wants me to save them as XML files - I
can't intelligently explain as to why this is his reasoning), and I
don't see any need to link the Framemaker files in a book in Clear Case,
but he says that has to be done and he needs to figure out how. So, any
and all advice is appreciated.

Thanks in Advance,

TVB

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InsureWorx
303-729-7733
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Framemaker Plug-in for Clear Quest/Clear Case?

[Tammy Van Boening]

All,

New gig here and like so many others have done on this list, getting
them converted from Word to Framemaker. My SCM guy just stopped by to
talk to me about getting the Framemaker files into Clear Case. He has
worked with Framemaker files before (yea!) and seems to remember a long
time ago that there was a plug-in that helped link all the files in a
Framemaker book when using Clear Case. Does anyone know of such a
plug-in or heard of one? And, if you're using Clear Case with
Framemaker, any helpful tidbits, bites of knowledge, gotcha's, etc. that
I would need to know would be most helpful. (At previous gigs, we used
either VSS, so Framemaker files weren't an issue, or CMVC, so we just
used the PDFs and worked with the deltas between releases.)

TIA,

TVB

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RE: Continuous Numbering in framemaker

[Tammy Van Boening]

Thanks Joe. This helped me refine my approach a bit - but at least I was
on track with the white color. 

This list saves me so many times.

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-Original Message-
From: Joe Malin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:49 PM
To: Tammy Van Boening
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Continuous Numbering in framemaker

This a bit tricky. I haven't done it before, but I found instructions
for it in the Adobe FrameMaker help. The topic title is

"Including the total page count of a book in a header or footer"

The Page Count (<$lastpagenum>) variable ordinarily resets on a
file-by-file basis, but you can make it do otherwise.

Joe

Tammy Van Boening wrote:
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>
> 
>
> From: Tammy Van Boening [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:42 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [techcomm-discuss] Continuous Numbering in framemaker
>
>
>  Oops - fat-fingered some numbers in my statement. see corrections 
> below. Thanks!
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am in the process of migrating existing draft documentation in Word 
> to final version documentation in Framemaker. The old Word 
> documentation was but a single file - the first page was reserved for 
> cover information, the second page was Word's TOC, and the remaining 
> pages were the content of the document. The old numbering scheme, 
> beginning with the first page was Page # of #, which for a single 
> document in Word, worked fine. In Framemaker, I have split up this 
> large document into three separate files - Cover File, TOC, and the 
> Chapter document. I have been asked to keep the numbering scheme the 
> same - Page # of Total Page Count. I know how to keep the numbering 
> continuous across the files, but the system variable that keeps total 
> page count is obviously on a per file basis. For example, the singe 
> Cover page file has no number, but the first page of the TOC says page

> 2 of 4 (because it is the second page in the book, and there are four 
> pages in the TOC total), so the next page says Page 3 of 4 and the
final page says Page 4 of 4.
> When I open the document chapter, it says Page 5 of 19, because the 
> first page of the content chapter is indeed the fifth page in the 
> book, but there are 19 pages in the Content chapter. What do I need to

> do to get this to number the same way as Word - if it's possible for 
> files in a book? I want the first page of the TOC to say page  2  of 
> 24, the second page to say page  3  of 24, etc. and I want the first 
> page of the Content Chapter to say Page 5 of 24, etc.
>
> TIA,
>
> TVB
>
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Framemaker Plug-in for Clear Quest/Clear Case?

[Tammy Van Boening]

All,

New gig here and like so many others have done on this list, getting
them converted from Word to Framemaker. My SCM guy just stopped by to
talk to me about getting the Framemaker files into Clear Case. He has
worked with Framemaker files before (yea!) and seems to remember a long
time ago that there was a plug-in that helped link all the files in a
Framemaker book when using Clear Case. Does anyone know of such a
plug-in or heard of one? And, if you're using Clear Case with
Framemaker, any helpful tidbits, bites of knowledge, gotcha's, etc. that
I would need to know would be most helpful. (At previous gigs, we used
either VSS, so Framemaker files weren't an issue, or CMVC, so we just
used the PDFs and worked with the deltas between releases.)

TIA,

TVB

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Continuous Numbering in framemaker

[Tammy Van Boening]

Thanks Joe. This helped me refine my approach a bit - but at least I was
on track with the white color. 

This list saves me so many times.

TVB


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-Original Message-
From: Joe Malin [mailto:jma...@jmalin.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:49 PM
To: Tammy Van Boening
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; techcomm-discuss at stcrmc.org
Subject: Re: Continuous Numbering in framemaker

This a bit tricky. I haven't done it before, but I found instructions
for it in the Adobe FrameMaker help. The topic title is

"Including the total page count of a book in a header or footer"

The Page Count (<$lastpagenum>) variable ordinarily resets on a
file-by-file basis, but you can make it do otherwise.

Joe

Tammy Van Boening wrote:
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> tvanboening at insureworx.com
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>
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> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:42 AM
> To: techcomm-discuss at stcrmc.org
> Subject: [techcomm-discuss] Continuous Numbering in framemaker
>
>
>  Oops - fat-fingered some numbers in my statement. see corrections 
> below. Thanks!
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am in the process of migrating existing draft documentation in Word 
> to final version documentation in Framemaker. The old Word 
> documentation was but a single file - the first page was reserved for 
> cover information, the second page was Word's TOC, and the remaining 
> pages were the content of the document. The old numbering scheme, 
> beginning with the first page was Page # of #, which for a single 
> document in Word, worked fine. In Framemaker, I have split up this 
> large document into three separate files - Cover File, TOC, and the 
> Chapter document. I have been asked to keep the numbering scheme the 
> same - Page # of Total Page Count. I know how to keep the numbering 
> continuous across the files, but the system variable that keeps total 
> page count is obviously on a per file basis. For example, the singe 
> Cover page file has no number, but the first page of the TOC says page

> 2 of 4 (because it is the second page in the book, and there are four 
> pages in the TOC total), so the next page says Page 3 of 4 and the
final page says Page 4 of 4.
> When I open the document chapter, it says Page 5 of 19, because the 
> first page of the content chapter is indeed the fifth page in the 
> book, but there are 19 pages in the Content chapter. What do I need to

> do to get this to number the same way as Word - if it's possible for 
> files in a book? I want the first page of the TOC to say page  2  of 
> 24, the second page to say page  3  of 24, etc. and I want the first 
> page of the Content Chapter to say Page 5 of 24, etc.
>
> TIA,
>
> TVB
>
> Tammy Van Boening
> Engineering Technical Writer
> InsureWorx
> 303-729-7733
> tvanboening at insureworx.com
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RE: Continuous Numbering in framemaker

[Tammy Van Boening]

Ok - a quick follow-up to this. For the "empty" paragraph tag, you need
some kind of source text for the paragraph to select for the x-ref, so
what I did was set up an auto-number format with the phrase
"TotalPageCount" and set the color to white so it doesn't show and I
have a cross-ref. format called TotalPageCount set to pick up only the
page number of the paragraph. I set this up on the master page footers
and it works like a charm. Thanks Fred.

TVB 


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-Original Message-
From: Ridder, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:47 PM
To: Tammy Van Boening; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Continuous Numbering in framemaker

One way is to insert an empty paragraph with a special tag at the end of
the chapter file, and then use a cross-reference (with an x-ref format
that picks up only the page number via the <$pagenum> building block)
whenever you need the total page count.

Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Staff Information
Services Analyst Intel Parsippany, NJ

 

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Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:41 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Continuous Numbering in framemaker

Hi All,

I am in the process of migrating existing draft documentation in Word to
final version documentation in Framemaker. The old Word documentation
was but a single file - the first page was reserved for cover
information, the second page was Word's TOC, and the remaining pages
were the content of the document. The old numbering scheme, beginning
with the first page was Page # of #, which for a single document in
Word, worked fine. In Framemaker, I have split up this large document
into three separate files - Cover File, TOC, and the Chapter document. I
have been asked to keep the numbering scheme the same - Page # of Total
Page Count. I know how to keep the numbering continuous across the
files, but the system variable that keeps total page count is obviously
on a per file basis. For example, the singe Cover page file has no
number, but the first page of the TOC says page 2 of 4 (because it is
the second page in the book, and there are four pages in the TOC total),
so the next page says Page 3 of 4 and the final page says Page 4 of 4.
When I open the document chapter, it says Page 5 of 19, because the
first page of the content chapter is indeed the fifth page in the book,
but there are 19 pages in the Content chapter. What do I need to do to
get this to number the same way as Word - if it's possible for files in
a book? I want the first page of the TOC to say page 4 of 24, the second
page to say page 5 of 24, etc. and I want the first page of the Content
Chapter to say Page 5 of 24, etc.

TIA,

TVB

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InsureWorx
303-729-7733
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Continuous Numbering in framemaker

[Tammy Van Boening]

Ok - a quick follow-up to this. For the "empty" paragraph tag, you need
some kind of source text for the paragraph to select for the x-ref, so
what I did was set up an auto-number format with the phrase
"TotalPageCount" and set the color to white so it doesn't show and I
have a cross-ref. format called TotalPageCount set to pick up only the
page number of the paragraph. I set this up on the master page footers
and it works like a charm. Thanks Fred.

TVB 


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Engineering Technical Writer
InsureWorx
303-729-7733
tvanboening at insureworx.com
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-Original Message-
From: Ridder, Fred [mailto:fred.rid...@intel.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:47 PM
To: Tammy Van Boening; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Continuous Numbering in framemaker

One way is to insert an empty paragraph with a special tag at the end of
the chapter file, and then use a cross-reference (with an x-ref format
that picks up only the page number via the <$pagenum> building block)
whenever you need the total page count.

Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Staff Information
Services Analyst Intel Parsippany, NJ



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:41 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Continuous Numbering in framemaker

Hi All,

I am in the process of migrating existing draft documentation in Word to
final version documentation in Framemaker. The old Word documentation
was but a single file - the first page was reserved for cover
information, the second page was Word's TOC, and the remaining pages
were the content of the document. The old numbering scheme, beginning
with the first page was Page # of #, which for a single document in
Word, worked fine. In Framemaker, I have split up this large document
into three separate files - Cover File, TOC, and the Chapter document. I
have been asked to keep the numbering scheme the same - Page # of Total
Page Count. I know how to keep the numbering continuous across the
files, but the system variable that keeps total page count is obviously
on a per file basis. For example, the singe Cover page file has no
number, but the first page of the TOC says page 2 of 4 (because it is
the second page in the book, and there are four pages in the TOC total),
so the next page says Page 3 of 4 and the final page says Page 4 of 4.
When I open the document chapter, it says Page 5 of 19, because the
first page of the content chapter is indeed the fifth page in the book,
but there are 19 pages in the Content chapter. What do I need to do to
get this to number the same way as Word - if it's possible for files in
a book? I want the first page of the TOC to say page 4 of 24, the second
page to say page 5 of 24, etc. and I want the first page of the Content
Chapter to say Page 5 of 24, etc.

TIA,

TVB

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Engineering Technical Writer
InsureWorx
303-729-7733
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[Tammy Van Boening]

Thank you Fred - as usual, you come through and it's appreciated. I will
give this a shot!

TVB 


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-Original Message-
From: Ridder, Fred [mailto:fred.rid...@intel.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:47 PM
To: Tammy Van Boening; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Continuous Numbering in framemaker

One way is to insert an empty paragraph with a special tag at the end of
the chapter file, and then use a cross-reference (with an x-ref format
that picks up only the page number via the <$pagenum> building block)
whenever you need the total page count.

Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Staff Information
Services Analyst Intel Parsippany, NJ



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:41 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Continuous Numbering in framemaker

Hi All,

I am in the process of migrating existing draft documentation in Word to
final version documentation in Framemaker. The old Word documentation
was but a single file - the first page was reserved for cover
information, the second page was Word's TOC, and the remaining pages
were the content of the document. The old numbering scheme, beginning
with the first page was Page # of #, which for a single document in
Word, worked fine. In Framemaker, I have split up this large document
into three separate files - Cover File, TOC, and the Chapter document. I
have been asked to keep the numbering scheme the same - Page # of Total
Page Count. I know how to keep the numbering continuous across the
files, but the system variable that keeps total page count is obviously
on a per file basis. For example, the singe Cover page file has no
number, but the first page of the TOC says page 2 of 4 (because it is
the second page in the book, and there are four pages in the TOC total),
so the next page says Page 3 of 4 and the final page says Page 4 of 4.
When I open the document chapter, it says Page 5 of 19, because the
first page of the content chapter is indeed the fifth page in the book,
but there are 19 pages in the Content chapter. What do I need to do to
get this to number the same way as Word - if it's possible for files in
a book? I want the first page of the TOC to say page 4 of 24, the second
page to say page 5 of 24, etc. and I want the first page of the Content
Chapter to say Page 5 of 24, etc.

TIA,

TVB

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InsureWorx
303-729-7733
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Thank you Fred - as usual, you come through and it's appreciated. I will
give this a shot!

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-Original Message-
From: Ridder, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:47 PM
To: Tammy Van Boening; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Continuous Numbering in framemaker

One way is to insert an empty paragraph with a special tag at the end of
the chapter file, and then use a cross-reference (with an x-ref format
that picks up only the page number via the <$pagenum> building block)
whenever you need the total page count.

Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Staff Information
Services Analyst Intel Parsippany, NJ

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:41 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Continuous Numbering in framemaker

Hi All,

I am in the process of migrating existing draft documentation in Word to
final version documentation in Framemaker. The old Word documentation
was but a single file - the first page was reserved for cover
information, the second page was Word's TOC, and the remaining pages
were the content of the document. The old numbering scheme, beginning
with the first page was Page # of #, which for a single document in
Word, worked fine. In Framemaker, I have split up this large document
into three separate files - Cover File, TOC, and the Chapter document. I
have been asked to keep the numbering scheme the same - Page # of Total
Page Count. I know how to keep the numbering continuous across the
files, but the system variable that keeps total page count is obviously
on a per file basis. For example, the singe Cover page file has no
number, but the first page of the TOC says page 2 of 4 (because it is
the second page in the book, and there are four pages in the TOC total),
so the next page says Page 3 of 4 and the final page says Page 4 of 4.
When I open the document chapter, it says Page 5 of 19, because the
first page of the content chapter is indeed the fifth page in the book,
but there are 19 pages in the Content chapter. What do I need to do to
get this to number the same way as Word - if it's possible for files in
a book? I want the first page of the TOC to say page 4 of 24, the second
page to say page 5 of 24, etc. and I want the first page of the Content
Chapter to say Page 5 of 24, etc.

TIA,

TVB

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From: Tammy Van Boening [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [techcomm-discuss] Continuous Numbering in framemaker


 Oops - fat-fingered some numbers in my statement. see corrections
below. Thanks! 



Hi All, 

I am in the process of migrating existing draft documentation in Word to
final version documentation in Framemaker. The old Word documentation
was but a single file - the first page was reserved for cover
information, the second page was Word's TOC, and the remaining pages
were the content of the document. The old numbering scheme, beginning
with the first page was Page # of #, which for a single document in
Word, worked fine. In Framemaker, I have split up this large document
into three separate files - Cover File, TOC, and the Chapter document. I
have been asked to keep the numbering scheme the same - Page # of Total
Page Count. I know how to keep the numbering continuous across the
files, but the system variable that keeps total page count is obviously
on a per file basis. For example, the singe Cover page file has no
number, but the first page of the TOC says page 2 of 4 (because it is
the second page in the book, and there are four pages in the TOC total),
so the next page says Page 3 of 4 and the final page says Page 4 of 4.
When I open the document chapter, it says Page 5 of 19, because the
first page of the content chapter is indeed the fifth page in the book,
but there are 19 pages in the Content chapter. What do I need to do to
get this to number the same way as Word - if it's possible for files in
a book? I want the first page of the TOC to say page  2  of 24, the
second page to say page  3  of 24, etc. and I want the first page of the
Content Chapter to say Page 5 of 24, etc.

TIA, 

TVB 

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Continuous Numbering in framemaker

[Tammy Van Boening]

Hi All,

I am in the process of migrating existing draft documentation in Word to
final version documentation in Framemaker. The old Word documentation
was but a single file - the first page was reserved for cover
information, the second page was Word's TOC, and the remaining pages
were the content of the document. The old numbering scheme, beginning
with the first page was Page # of #, which for a single document in
Word, worked fine. In Framemaker, I have split up this large document
into three separate files - Cover File, TOC, and the Chapter document. I
have been asked to keep the numbering scheme the same - Page # of Total
Page Count. I know how to keep the numbering continuous across the
files, but the system variable that keeps total page count is obviously
on a per file basis. For example, the singe Cover page file has no
number, but the first page of the TOC says page 2 of 4 (because it is
the second page in the book, and there are four pages in the TOC total),
so the next page says Page 3 of 4 and the final page says Page 4 of 4.
When I open the document chapter, it says Page 5 of 19, because the
first page of the content chapter is indeed the fifth page in the book,
but there are 19 pages in the Content chapter. What do I need to do to
get this to number the same way as Word - if it's possible for files in
a book? I want the first page of the TOC to say page 4 of 24, the second
page to say page 5 of 24, etc. and I want the first page of the Content
Chapter to say Page 5 of 24, etc.

TIA,

TVB

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Engineering Technical Writer
InsureWorx
303-729-7733
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From: Tammy Van Boening [mailto:tvanboen...@insureworx.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:42 AM
To: techcomm-discuss at stcrmc.org
Subject: [techcomm-discuss] Continuous Numbering in framemaker


 Oops - fat-fingered some numbers in my statement. see corrections
below. Thanks! 



Hi All, 

I am in the process of migrating existing draft documentation in Word to
final version documentation in Framemaker. The old Word documentation
was but a single file - the first page was reserved for cover
information, the second page was Word's TOC, and the remaining pages
were the content of the document. The old numbering scheme, beginning
with the first page was Page # of #, which for a single document in
Word, worked fine. In Framemaker, I have split up this large document
into three separate files - Cover File, TOC, and the Chapter document. I
have been asked to keep the numbering scheme the same - Page # of Total
Page Count. I know how to keep the numbering continuous across the
files, but the system variable that keeps total page count is obviously
on a per file basis. For example, the singe Cover page file has no
number, but the first page of the TOC says page 2 of 4 (because it is
the second page in the book, and there are four pages in the TOC total),
so the next page says Page 3 of 4 and the final page says Page 4 of 4.
When I open the document chapter, it says Page 5 of 19, because the
first page of the content chapter is indeed the fifth page in the book,
but there are 19 pages in the Content chapter. What do I need to do to
get this to number the same way as Word - if it's possible for files in
a book? I want the first page of the TOC to say page  2  of 24, the
second page to say page  3  of 24, etc. and I want the first page of the
Content Chapter to say Page 5 of 24, etc.

TIA, 

TVB 

Tammy Van Boening 
Engineering Technical Writer 
InsureWorx 
303-729-7733 
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Continuous Numbering in framemaker

[Tammy Van Boening]

Hi All,

I am in the process of migrating existing draft documentation in Word to
final version documentation in Framemaker. The old Word documentation
was but a single file - the first page was reserved for cover
information, the second page was Word's TOC, and the remaining pages
were the content of the document. The old numbering scheme, beginning
with the first page was Page # of #, which for a single document in
Word, worked fine. In Framemaker, I have split up this large document
into three separate files - Cover File, TOC, and the Chapter document. I
have been asked to keep the numbering scheme the same - Page # of Total
Page Count. I know how to keep the numbering continuous across the
files, but the system variable that keeps total page count is obviously
on a per file basis. For example, the singe Cover page file has no
number, but the first page of the TOC says page 2 of 4 (because it is
the second page in the book, and there are four pages in the TOC total),
so the next page says Page 3 of 4 and the final page says Page 4 of 4.
When I open the document chapter, it says Page 5 of 19, because the
first page of the content chapter is indeed the fifth page in the book,
but there are 19 pages in the Content chapter. What do I need to do to
get this to number the same way as Word - if it's possible for files in
a book? I want the first page of the TOC to say page 4 of 24, the second
page to say page 5 of 24, etc. and I want the first page of the Content
Chapter to say Page 5 of 24, etc.

TIA,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Engineering Technical Writer
InsureWorx
303-729-7733
tvanboening at insureworx.com
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RE: Major problems with generating TOC

[Tammy Van Boening]

Yep Winfried - you hit the nail right on the head, and for the life of
me, I can't figure out why this is happening. I basically started over
from scratch and based the book/files on a different template with
formats that I know worked (rather than try to create an entirely new
one from scratch) and now all is fine. But I gotta' admit - I am/was
stumped.

TVB 


Tammy Van Boening
Engineering Technical Writer
InsureWorx
303-729-7733
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Reng, Winfried Dr.
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 12:37 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Major problems with generating TOC

Hi Tammy,

That sounds as if you have 2 text frames on your reference
page: You can select the top one and have problems to select the bottom
one.

Did you check what happens when you move the text frame? Does another
one appear?

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ]On Behalf
> Of Tammy Van Boening
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 4:55 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Major problems with generating TOC
> 
> 
> Framemaker 7.2 on Windows XP.
> 
> I am trying to something very basic and simple - create a TOC for a 
> book. Right now, I have but a single file in the book. I use Add > 
> Table of Contents, select the paragraph tags that I want to include in

> the TOC, then generate the book. When I open the TOC and go to view 
> the reference page to format the TOC entries, the TOC reference page 
> shows absolutely no entries for any of the paragraph tags that I have 
> selected. Instead, it shows entries for tags that do not exist 
> anywhere in the single file for which I am generating the TOC and this

> file was not created from an existing template/file. This single file 
> was created totally from scratch.
> 
> That is, I have chosen Heading1, Heading2, and Heading3 to generate my

> TOC. When I open the TOC Reference page, I don't see any of the 
> following entries: Heading1TOC, Heading2TOC, and Heading3TOC.
> Instead, I
> see a bunch of weird entries with buried end of flow symbols and tab 
> symbols and only the first two are selectable and editable. I cannot 
> select anything else on the Reference page.
> 
> I am absolutely stymied by this. In all of my years of using 
> Framemaker, I have never seen anything like this in my life. Any and 
> all help is sincerely appreciated.
> 
> TVB
> 
> 
> 
> Tammy Van Boening
> Engineering Technical Writer
> InsureWorx
> 303-729-7733
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Major problems with generating TOC

[Tammy Van Boening]

Yep Winfried - you hit the nail right on the head, and for the life of
me, I can't figure out why this is happening. I basically started over
from scratch and based the book/files on a different template with
formats that I know worked (rather than try to create an entirely new
one from scratch) and now all is fine. But I gotta' admit - I am/was
stumped.

TVB 


Tammy Van Boening
Engineering Technical Writer
InsureWorx
303-729-7733
tvanboening at insureworx.com
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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+tvanboening=insureworx@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+tvanboening=insureworx.com at lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Reng, Winfried Dr.
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 12:37 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Major problems with generating TOC

Hi Tammy,

That sounds as if you have 2 text frames on your reference
page: You can select the top one and have problems to select the bottom
one.

Did you check what happens when you move the text frame? Does another
one appear?

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com
> ]On Behalf
> Of Tammy Van Boening
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 4:55 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Major problems with generating TOC
> 
> 
> Framemaker 7.2 on Windows XP.
> 
> I am trying to something very basic and simple - create a TOC for a 
> book. Right now, I have but a single file in the book. I use Add > 
> Table of Contents, select the paragraph tags that I want to include in

> the TOC, then generate the book. When I open the TOC and go to view 
> the reference page to format the TOC entries, the TOC reference page 
> shows absolutely no entries for any of the paragraph tags that I have 
> selected. Instead, it shows entries for tags that do not exist 
> anywhere in the single file for which I am generating the TOC and this

> file was not created from an existing template/file. This single file 
> was created totally from scratch.
> 
> That is, I have chosen Heading1, Heading2, and Heading3 to generate my

> TOC. When I open the TOC Reference page, I don't see any of the 
> following entries: Heading1TOC, Heading2TOC, and Heading3TOC.
> Instead, I
> see a bunch of weird entries with buried end of flow symbols and tab 
> symbols and only the first two are selectable and editable. I cannot 
> select anything else on the Reference page.
> 
> I am absolutely stymied by this. In all of my years of using 
> Framemaker, I have never seen anything like this in my life. Any and 
> all help is sincerely appreciated.
> 
> TVB
> 
> 
> 
> Tammy Van Boening
> Engineering Technical Writer
> InsureWorx
> 303-729-7733
> tvanboening at insureworx.com
> **
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RE: Major problems with generating TOC

[Tammy Van Boening]

Oh yea - the other thing. The page size/margins on the body page of the
TOC look just fine, but when I open the reference page, the actual text
entry area is reduced significantly and the margins are shifted. On the
body page, I have a 1 inch margin on the left and one inch on the right.
On the Reference page, the left margin is shifted over to 0.25 and the
right margin is now over 2.5 inches. 

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Engineering Technical Writer
InsureWorx
303-729-7733
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> _ 
> From:     Tammy Van Boening  
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:55 AM
> To:   framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject:  Major problems with generating TOC
> 
> Framemaker 7.2 on Windows XP.
> 
> I am trying to something very basic and simple - create a TOC for a
> book. Right now, I have but a single file in the book. I use Add >
> Table of Contents, select the paragraph tags that I want to include in
> the TOC, then generate the book. When I open the TOC and go to view
> the reference page to format the TOC entries, the TOC reference page
> shows absolutely no entries for any of the paragraph tags that I have
> selected. Instead, it shows entries for tags that do not exist
> anywhere in the single file for which I am generating the TOC and this
> file was not created from an existing template/file. This single file
> was created totally from scratch. 
> 
> That is, I have chosen Heading1, Heading2, and Heading3 to generate my
> TOC. When I open the TOC Reference page, I don't see any of the
> following entries: Heading1TOC, Heading2TOC, and Heading3TOC. Instead,
> I see a bunch of weird entries with buried end of flow symbols and tab
> symbols and only the first two are selectable and editable. I cannot
> select anything else on the Reference page.
> 
> I am absolutely stymied by this. In all of my years of using
> Framemaker, I have never seen anything like this in my life. Any and
> all help is sincerely appreciated.
> 
> TVB
> 
> 
> 
> Tammy Van Boening
> Engineering Technical Writer
> InsureWorx
> 303-729-7733
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Major problems with generating TOC

[Tammy Van Boening]

Framemaker 7.2 on Windows XP.

I am trying to something very basic and simple - create a TOC for a
book. Right now, I have but a single file in the book. I use Add > Table
of Contents, select the paragraph tags that I want to include in the
TOC, then generate the book. When I open the TOC and go to view the
reference page to format the TOC entries, the TOC reference page shows
absolutely no entries for any of the paragraph tags that I have
selected. Instead, it shows entries for tags that do not exist anywhere
in the single file for which I am generating the TOC and this file was
not created from an existing template/file. This single file was created
totally from scratch. 

That is, I have chosen Heading1, Heading2, and Heading3 to generate my
TOC. When I open the TOC Reference page, I don't see any of the
following entries: Heading1TOC, Heading2TOC, and Heading3TOC. Instead, I
see a bunch of weird entries with buried end of flow symbols and tab
symbols and only the first two are selectable and editable. I cannot
select anything else on the Reference page.

I am absolutely stymied by this. In all of my years of using Framemaker,
I have never seen anything like this in my life. Any and all help is
sincerely appreciated.

TVB



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InsureWorx
303-729-7733
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Major problems with generating TOC

[Tammy Van Boening]

Oh yea - the other thing. The page size/margins on the body page of the
TOC look just fine, but when I open the reference page, the actual text
entry area is reduced significantly and the margins are shifted. On the
body page, I have a 1 inch margin on the left and one inch on the right.
On the Reference page, the left margin is shifted over to 0.25 and the
right margin is now over 2.5 inches. 

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Engineering Technical Writer
InsureWorx
303-729-7733
tvanboening at insureworx.com
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> _ 
> From:     Tammy Van Boening  
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:55 AM
> To:   framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject:  Major problems with generating TOC
> 
> Framemaker 7.2 on Windows XP.
> 
> I am trying to something very basic and simple - create a TOC for a
> book. Right now, I have but a single file in the book. I use Add >
> Table of Contents, select the paragraph tags that I want to include in
> the TOC, then generate the book. When I open the TOC and go to view
> the reference page to format the TOC entries, the TOC reference page
> shows absolutely no entries for any of the paragraph tags that I have
> selected. Instead, it shows entries for tags that do not exist
> anywhere in the single file for which I am generating the TOC and this
> file was not created from an existing template/file. This single file
> was created totally from scratch. 
> 
> That is, I have chosen Heading1, Heading2, and Heading3 to generate my
> TOC. When I open the TOC Reference page, I don't see any of the
> following entries: Heading1TOC, Heading2TOC, and Heading3TOC. Instead,
> I see a bunch of weird entries with buried end of flow symbols and tab
> symbols and only the first two are selectable and editable. I cannot
> select anything else on the Reference page.
> 
> I am absolutely stymied by this. In all of my years of using
> Framemaker, I have never seen anything like this in my life. Any and
> all help is sincerely appreciated.
> 
> TVB
> 
> 
> 
> Tammy Van Boening
> Engineering Technical Writer
> InsureWorx
> 303-729-7733
> tvanboening at insureworx.com
> **
> *
> Keep Smiling - At least until you get your own way
> 

Major problems with generating TOC

[Tammy Van Boening]

Framemaker 7.2 on Windows XP.

I am trying to something very basic and simple - create a TOC for a
book. Right now, I have but a single file in the book. I use Add > Table
of Contents, select the paragraph tags that I want to include in the
TOC, then generate the book. When I open the TOC and go to view the
reference page to format the TOC entries, the TOC reference page shows
absolutely no entries for any of the paragraph tags that I have
selected. Instead, it shows entries for tags that do not exist anywhere
in the single file for which I am generating the TOC and this file was
not created from an existing template/file. This single file was created
totally from scratch. 

That is, I have chosen Heading1, Heading2, and Heading3 to generate my
TOC. When I open the TOC Reference page, I don't see any of the
following entries: Heading1TOC, Heading2TOC, and Heading3TOC. Instead, I
see a bunch of weird entries with buried end of flow symbols and tab
symbols and only the first two are selectable and editable. I cannot
select anything else on the Reference page.

I am absolutely stymied by this. In all of my years of using Framemaker,
I have never seen anything like this in my life. Any and all help is
sincerely appreciated.

TVB



Tammy Van Boening
Engineering Technical Writer
InsureWorx
303-729-7733
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Master Pages - landscape and portrait pages

[Tammy Van Boening]

Dear Texan Scriber,

Although I am an Oklahoman, I will respond! I do this a lot in my
documents.

1.) View your master pages.
2.) Add a new master page. Call it Landscape (natch!). Don't base it on
an empty page - base it on the Right master page.
3.) On the newly named Landscape page, select Format > Customize >
Layout > Rotate Page and rotate the page 90 degrees CW.
4.) Next, you will need to rotate the contents on the page. I typically
delete the Header and the Footer (because I can make new ones later) and
shrink down the main text column so that I can access the handles on the
edge of the main text column. Then I select the main text column and
then select Rotate > Graphics and the rotate the it CCW. (Trust me - I
know it sounds weird, but you will see why rotating in the opposite
direction helps. This makes sure that the flow symbols on each of the
text columns (main and headers and footers) are on the upper left corner
of the page.)
5.) Resize the main text column.
6.) Re-add your headers and footers.


Tammy Van Boening
Engineering Technical Writer
InsureWorx
303-729-7733
tvanboening at insureworx.com
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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+tvanboening=insureworx@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+tvanboening=insureworx.com at lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Texan Scriber
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:01 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Master Pages - landscape and portrait pages

Fellow Framers,
Does anyone know how to have landscape and portrait pages in the same
Frame file. I tried to create a landscape master page in my frame file
and the application complained that other page sizes have to be adjusted
because the new page size is too small!

Appreciate your help
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Turning off a dialog box in Framemaker 7.2?

[Tammy Van Boening]

Thank you! Go to File > Preferences > General, and turn off the "Show
warnings while
clearing history" option.

Turning off a dialog box in Framemaker 7.2?

[Tammy Van Boening]

Don't get me wrong - I love the multiple undo feature; however, I save
early and often and every time I save, that annoying dialog box
prompting you about losing the undo History pops open. Ok, like after
200 times, I get it - I am acutely aware that I will lose my undo
History and no, I don't care. Is there anyway to turn off this oh so
helpful reminder - I intend to keep saving early and often.

TIA,

TVB

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InsureWorx
303-729-7733
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RE: Master Pages - landscape and portrait pages

[Tammy Van Boening]

Dear Texan Scriber,

Although I am an Oklahoman, I will respond! I do this a lot in my
documents.

1.) View your master pages.
2.) Add a new master page. Call it Landscape (natch!). Don't base it on
an empty page - base it on the Right master page.
3.) On the newly named Landscape page, select Format > Customize >
Layout > Rotate Page and rotate the page 90 degrees CW.
4.) Next, you will need to rotate the contents on the page. I typically
delete the Header and the Footer (because I can make new ones later) and
shrink down the main text column so that I can access the handles on the
edge of the main text column. Then I select the main text column and
then select Rotate > Graphics and the rotate the it CCW. (Trust me - I
know it sounds weird, but you will see why rotating in the opposite
direction helps. This makes sure that the flow symbols on each of the
text columns (main and headers and footers) are on the upper left corner
of the page.)
5.) Resize the main text column.
6.) Re-add your headers and footers.


Tammy Van Boening
Engineering Technical Writer
InsureWorx
303-729-7733
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On Behalf Of Texan Scriber
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:01 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Master Pages - landscape and portrait pages

Fellow Framers,
Does anyone know how to have landscape and portrait pages in the same
Frame file. I tried to create a landscape master page in my frame file
and the application complained that other page sizes have to be adjusted
because the new page size is too small!

Appreciate your help
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RE: Turning off a dialog box in Framemaker 7.2?

[Tammy Van Boening]

 
Thank you! Go to File > Preferences > General, and turn off the "Show
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Turning off a dialog box in Framemaker 7.2?

[Tammy Van Boening]

Don't get me wrong - I love the multiple undo feature; however, I save
early and often and every time I save, that annoying dialog box
prompting you about losing the undo History pops open. Ok, like after
200 times, I get it - I am acutely aware that I will lose my undo
History and no, I don't care. Is there anyway to turn off this oh so
helpful reminder - I intend to keep saving early and often.

TIA,

TVB

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Including special characters in a variable

[Tammy Van Boening]

 Never mind - got it.  Thanks all.


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On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:40 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Including special characters in a variable

Hi all -

Sr. moment here. I am setting variables for a new template and for two
of the variables, I would like to have the registered trademark symbol
included as part of the variable value and for the other variable, I
would like to have the copyright symbol included as part of the variable
value. What do I need to include along with my variable definition to
get this to happen?

Thanks so much,

TVB

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RE: Including special characters in a variable

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 Never mind - got it.  Thanks all.


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Subject: Including special characters in a variable

Hi all -

Sr. moment here. I am setting variables for a new template and for two
of the variables, I would like to have the registered trademark symbol
included as part of the variable value and for the other variable, I
would like to have the copyright symbol included as part of the variable
value. What do I need to include along with my variable definition to
get this to happen?

Thanks so much,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Engineering Technical Writer
InsureWorx
303-729-7733
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Including special characters in a variable

[Tammy Van Boening]

Hi all -

Sr. moment here. I am setting variables for a new template and for two
of the variables, I would like to have the registered trademark symbol
included as part of the variable value and for the other variable, I
would like to have the copyright symbol included as part of the variable
value. What do I need to include along with my variable definition to
get this to happen?

Thanks so much,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Engineering Technical Writer
InsureWorx
303-729-7733
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Including special characters in a variable

[Tammy Van Boening]

Hi all -

Sr. moment here. I am setting variables for a new template and for two
of the variables, I would like to have the registered trademark symbol
included as part of the variable value and for the other variable, I
would like to have the copyright symbol included as part of the variable
value. What do I need to include along with my variable definition to
get this to happen?

Thanks so much,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Engineering Technical Writer
InsureWorx
303-729-7733
tvanboening at insureworx.com
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