Table jumps to next page

[Tim J. Slager]

Frame 10
Windows 7

I have a multi-page table that skips to the next page to start, leaving most of 
the previous page blank. The table is preceded by a heading. Both the heading 
and the table start on the next page.

-Table is set to Start: Anywhere

-Heading is set to Start: Anywhere

-When I change the heading to body text, the table starts on previous 
page as it should.

-All pertinent settings in the heading seem to be identical to those 
for body text...

-Hold on...  If I clear the Keep With: Next Pgf for the heading, the 
heading and table don't jump to the next page. This doesn't make sense to me 
but, hey, it works.

-I'm downgrading this inquiry from Help! to Why?

tims

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Table jumps to next page

[Tim J. Slager]

Frame 10
Windows 7

I have a multi-page table that skips to the next page to start, leaving most of 
the previous page blank. The table is preceded by a heading. Both the heading 
and the table start on the next page.

-Table is set to Start: Anywhere

-Heading is set to Start: Anywhere

-When I change the heading to body text, the table starts on previous 
page as it should.

-All pertinent settings in the heading seem to be identical to those 
for body text...

-Hold on...  If I clear the Keep With: Next Pgf for the heading, the 
heading and table don't jump to the next page. This doesn't make sense to me 
but, hey, it works.

-I'm downgrading this inquiry from Help! to Why?

tims

Tim Slager
Tech Pubs
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RE: Changing the color of a horizontal rule under/over a paragraph

[Tim J. Slager]

Figured it out; it was on the Reference pages!

From: Tim J. Slager
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:55 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Changing the color of a horizontal rule under/over a paragraph

I'm using FM 10, Unstructured.

I can't find in the help where to change the color of the rule under a 
paragraph, and I don't have my copy of Unstructured FrameMaker 8, which I 
always turn to first when I have questions like this.

How do I change the color of a rule that I apply to a paragraph in the 
Paragraph Designer > Advanced > Frame Above/Below Pgf?

tims

Tim Slager
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Changing the color of a horizontal rule under/over a paragraph

[Tim J. Slager]

I'm using FM 10, Unstructured.

I can't find in the help where to change the color of the rule under a 
paragraph, and I don't have my copy of Unstructured FrameMaker 8, which I 
always turn to first when I have questions like this.

How do I change the color of a rule that I apply to a paragraph in the 
Paragraph Designer > Advanced > Frame Above/Below Pgf?

tims

Tim Slager
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Changing the color of a horizontal rule under/over a paragraph

[Tim J. Slager]

Figured it out; it was on the Reference pages!

From: Tim J. Slager
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:55 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Changing the color of a horizontal rule under/over a paragraph

I'm using FM 10, Unstructured.

I can't find in the help where to change the color of the rule under a 
paragraph, and I don't have my copy of Unstructured FrameMaker 8, which I 
always turn to first when I have questions like this.

How do I change the color of a rule that I apply to a paragraph in the 
Paragraph Designer > Advanced > Frame Above/Below Pgf?

tims

Tim Slager
Tech Pubs
T 616.494.1373

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Zeeland, MI 49464, USA

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Changing the color of a horizontal rule under/over a paragraph

[Tim J. Slager]

I'm using FM 10, Unstructured.

I can't find in the help where to change the color of the rule under a 
paragraph, and I don't have my copy of Unstructured FrameMaker 8, which I 
always turn to first when I have questions like this.

How do I change the color of a rule that I apply to a paragraph in the 
Paragraph Designer > Advanced > Frame Above/Below Pgf?

tims

Tim Slager
Tech Pubs
T 616.494.1373

ACI Worldwide, 8436 Homestead Drive, Ste. 100, 
Zeeland, MI 49464, USA

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Importing paragraph formats

[Tim J. Slager]

Is there a way to import only specific formats or a single format from another 
document instead of the whole set of paragraph formats?

tims


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Is there a way to import only specific formats or a single format from another 
document instead of the whole set of paragraph formats?

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RE: Conditional text invisible

[Tim J. Slager]

The defined color indicator is red with underline. I checked, and it is still 
defined this way. I tried it combined with another condition, which has a color 
indicator of magenta. When both are applied the color is purplish; when either 
one is applied it's white on white, invisible.

tims

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 8:02 AM
To: Tim J. Slager; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Conditional text invisible

What color is defined as the condition indication for the condition that is 
disappearing? If its color is set to white (or any *very* light color) you will 
get exactly the behavior you describe. It sounds like someone was trying to 
make this condition be invisible via the condition indication rather than the 
Show/Hide rule.

-Fred Ridder


From: tsla...@isdcorporation.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:26:01 -0400
Subject: Conditional text invisible
FM 10

When I apply conditional text and select "Show Condition Indicators" the 
conditional text disappears. It's there, and I can highlight it, copy, cut, 
etc. But it looks as if it is white on white. If I apply an additional 
condition tag then I see the text with the combined colors. But if I remove all 
but one condition tag, it goes back to white on white.

I wasn't able to find a solution in help or through Google. I didn't have this 
problem before a few weeks ago.

Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

TIA. tims

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Conditional text invisible

[Tim J. Slager]

The defined color indicator is red with underline. I checked, and it is still 
defined this way. I tried it combined with another condition, which has a color 
indicator of magenta. When both are applied the color is purplish; when either 
one is applied it's white on white, invisible.

tims

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 8:02 AM
To: Tim J. Slager; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Conditional text invisible

What color is defined as the condition indication for the condition that is 
disappearing? If its color is set to white (or any *very* light color) you will 
get exactly the behavior you describe. It sounds like someone was trying to 
make this condition be invisible via the condition indication rather than the 
Show/Hide rule.

-Fred Ridder


From: tsla...@isdcorporation.com
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:26:01 -0400
Subject: Conditional text invisible
FM 10

When I apply conditional text and select "Show Condition Indicators" the 
conditional text disappears. It's there, and I can highlight it, copy, cut, 
etc. But it looks as if it is white on white. If I apply an additional 
condition tag then I see the text with the combined colors. But if I remove all 
but one condition tag, it goes back to white on white.

I wasn't able to find a solution in help or through Google. I didn't have this 
problem before a few weeks ago.

Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

TIA. tims

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Conditional text invisible

[Tim J. Slager]

FM 10

When I apply conditional text and select "Show Condition Indicators" the 
conditional text disappears. It's there, and I can highlight it, copy, cut, 
etc. But it looks as if it is white on white. If I apply an additional 
condition tag then I see the text with the combined colors. But if I remove all 
but one condition tag, it goes back to white on white.

I wasn't able to find a solution in help or through Google. I didn't have this 
problem before a few weeks ago.

Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

TIA. tims

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ACI Worldwide, 8436 Homestead Drive, Ste. 100, 
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Conditional text invisible

[Tim J. Slager]

FM 10

When I apply conditional text and select "Show Condition Indicators" the 
conditional text disappears. It's there, and I can highlight it, copy, cut, 
etc. But it looks as if it is white on white. If I apply an additional 
condition tag then I see the text with the combined colors. But if I remove all 
but one condition tag, it goes back to white on white.

I wasn't able to find a solution in help or through Google. I didn't have this 
problem before a few weeks ago.

Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

TIA. tims

Tim Slager
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RE: FM 10 and Win 7 -- any "gotchas"/problems?

[Tim J. Slager]

I've got FM 10 and Win 7 (32) on a Dell laptop. Works fine.

tims

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of M Clark
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 7:28 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM 10 and Win 7 -- any "gotchas"/problems?

Hi,
IT recently upgraded my FM version to FM 10 and now it seems I'm running into a 
resource issue (either processor speed or RAM--they think). As part of the 
solution, they're advocating that I change my computer from Win XP to Win 7.

I know there's been some discussion in the past about Win 7 not "playing nice" 
with FrameMaker.  Is this still the case and if so, can someone please describe 
what's the issue?  I just want to be aware of any "gotchas" prior to them 
changing over my machine.  I'd appreciate any insight anyone has into this 
issue. (Note that I'm also running FM
7.2 and 9 on the same machine that has FM 10.)

Thanks,
Melissa
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FM 10 and Win 7 -- any "gotchas"/problems?

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I've got FM 10 and Win 7 (32) on a Dell laptop. Works fine.

tims

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Subject: FM 10 and Win 7 -- any "gotchas"/problems?

Hi,
IT recently upgraded my FM version to FM 10 and now it seems I'm running into a 
resource issue (either processor speed or RAM--they think). As part of the 
solution, they're advocating that I change my computer from Win XP to Win 7.

I know there's been some discussion in the past about Win 7 not "playing nice" 
with FrameMaker.? Is this still the case and if so, can someone please describe 
what's the issue?? I just want to be aware of any "gotchas" prior to them 
changing over my machine.  I'd appreciate any insight anyone has into this 
issue. (Note that I'm also running FM
7.2 and 9 on the same machine that has FM 10.)

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RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Tim J. Slager]

I had lock-up problems with 7.2 on Win 7. I could take care of the lock-ups by 
running it in administrator mode, but then updating books and generating PDFs 
was extremely slow, so I would switch back and forth between modes. I'm 
enjoying 10 now.

I think it's too bad Adobe doesn't allow an upgrade from 7, and FM is pricey. 
But I also don't understand companies balking at buying software that, in the 
scheme of things, is reasonable. How many upgrades would a CEO's bonus buy? 
Which does more for a company's health and productivity?

tims

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min Lorente
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:57 PM
To: Carrie Baker; Alan Houser
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

I'm looking at buying the latest version because our company is moving everyone 
to Windows 7, and FrameMaker 7.2 isn't supported on that OS. It doesn't mean it 
won't work, but our management prefers to play it safe.

Fei Min Lorente

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carrie Baker
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:14 PM
To: Alan Houser
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

I do not know if it is altogether a bad thing to be using Frame 7. I sort of 
just wanted to know that other people are also using Frame of that vintage.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Alan Houser 
mailto:a...@groupwellesley.com>> wrote:
If you check the PDF properties of Apple's documentation, you will find that a 
surprising number are authored and published in FrameMaker 7. InDesign CS3 is 
also popular there.

And the TechCrunch blog recently forecast that Apple-based readers will 
outnumber Windows-based readers by the end of 2012.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/27/apple-versus-microsoft-share/

I know the "FrameMaker on Mac" horse was beaten to death long ago, but perhaps 
it's time for Adobe to consider reviving the horse...

-Alan
---

Alan Houser, President
Group Wellesley, Inc.
412-363-3481
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On 3/1/2011 8:18 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote:
Are others in the same boat?
Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a 
later point upgrading again?
Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck.



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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

[Tim J. Slager]

I had lock-up problems with 7.2 on Win 7. I could take care of the lock-ups by 
running it in administrator mode, but then updating books and generating PDFs 
was extremely slow, so I would switch back and forth between modes. I'm 
enjoying 10 now.

I think it's too bad Adobe doesn't allow an upgrade from 7, and FM is pricey. 
But I also don't understand companies balking at buying software that, in the 
scheme of things, is reasonable. How many upgrades would a CEO's bonus buy? 
Which does more for a company's health and productivity?

tims

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min Lorente
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:57 PM
To: Carrie Baker; Alan Houser
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

I'm looking at buying the latest version because our company is moving everyone 
to Windows 7, and FrameMaker 7.2 isn't supported on that OS. It doesn't mean it 
won't work, but our management prefers to play it safe.

Fei Min Lorente

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carrie Baker
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:14 PM
To: Alan Houser
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

I do not know if it is altogether a bad thing to be using Frame 7. I sort of 
just wanted to know that other people are also using Frame of that vintage.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Alan Houser mailto:arh at groupwellesley.com>> wrote:
If you check the PDF properties of Apple's documentation, you will find that a 
surprising number are authored and published in FrameMaker 7. InDesign CS3 is 
also popular there.

And the TechCrunch blog recently forecast that Apple-based readers will 
outnumber Windows-based readers by the end of 2012.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/27/apple-versus-microsoft-share/

I know the "FrameMaker on Mac" horse was beaten to death long ago, but perhaps 
it's time for Adobe to consider reviving the horse...

-Alan
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On 3/1/2011 8:18 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote:
Are others in the same boat?
Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a 
later point upgrading again?
Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck.



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Conditional table rows

[Tim J. Slager]

I'm experimenting with conditional text in Unstructured FM 10.

I started to write an email to this list to ask if it was normal that FM 10 
could not find conditional table rows, since I couldn't seem to find 
conditional table rows, and I couldn't find this in the help files. But I did a 
Google search before sending the email. I found this help file 
(http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WS25F3553F-C76C-4f49-9C16-E251912A7D42.html#WS95B8918A-2D69-4647-B532-9FC7B2FDF7D0)
 which explains, "FrameMaker cannot find conditional table rows."

Too bad, I thought, but now I know. Then I practiced the steps found in the 
same help file for searching for conditional text. Lo and behold, I could 
indeed find conditional table rows. How nice, I thought. But now I'm confused.

Can someone explain why the help says you can't find conditional table rows, 
and what expected behavior is?

Thanks. tims

Tim Slager | ISD Tech Pubs | 616.494.1373

Conditional table rows

[Tim J. Slager]

I'm experimenting with conditional text in Unstructured FM 10.

I started to write an email to this list to ask if it was normal that FM 10 
could not find conditional table rows, since I couldn't seem to find 
conditional table rows, and I couldn't find this in the help files. But I did a 
Google search before sending the email. I found this help file 
(http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WS25F3553F-C76C-4f49-9C16-E251912A7D42.html#WS95B8918A-2D69-4647-B532-9FC7B2FDF7D0)
 which explains, "FrameMaker cannot find conditional table rows."

Too bad, I thought, but now I know. Then I practiced the steps found in the 
same help file for searching for conditional text. Lo and behold, I could 
indeed find conditional table rows. How nice, I thought. But now I'm confused.

Can someone explain why the help says you can't find conditional table rows, 
and what expected behavior is?

Thanks. tims

Tim Slager | ISD Tech Pubs | 616.494.1373

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Oh great! Since it was right around the corner, I was waiting for FM 10 before 
upgrading from 7.2. Now I get to pay full price. Hope I can still buy ver. 9.

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Subject: FM10 released

Framemaker 10, TCS 3 and RoboHelp 9 were just launched. 
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Oh great! Since it was right around the corner, I was waiting for FM 10 before 
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RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy

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> "No I haven't asked Adobe, who there could possibly tell me?"

Darryl, maybe?

tims :)

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:41 PM
To: Yves Barbion
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy

I had this same situation on this list some time back.

I said this on the list on 18 October, 2009 
(http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2009-October/018261.html 
)

> Can anyone explain to me why it is that Adobe charges USD399 for the
> upgrade of FrameMaker to version 9 for domestic customers but USD515
> for the same thing for International customers.
>
> There are no shipping costs when it has been downloaded and even if
> shipping were included I don't see how they can charge USD116 for
> shipping a small box anyway.
>
> No I haven't asked Adobe, who there could possibly tell me. Certainly
> no one on the helpdesk.

There was some discussion of it then.

Michael learned a new word then: rort.

Darryl learned something too. If in doubt, obfuscate.

Alan

On 29/10/2010, at 3:03 AM, Yves Barbion wrote:

> Hi group
>
> Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full,  
> no
> update) costs:
>
>   - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store
>   http://bit.ly/aXhtLv
>   - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store
>   - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3
>
> I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave  
> me was
> that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free
> support". But I don't need support!
>
> When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I  
> can have a
> live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my
> product selection. This is the result:
>
> Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative.
> Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your
> selection today?
> Darryl: Hello, how can I help you?
> Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in  
> the US
> Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for  
> this HUGE
> difference in price?
> Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are  
> giving
> our Customers the best products and at the right price.
> Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing  
> like
> 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in  
> the
> perceived value of the product'.
> Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the
> software?
> Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why?
> Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing  
> like
> 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in  
> the
> perceived value of the product'.
>
> Huh?
>
>

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[OT] Adobe's pricing policy

[Tim J. Slager]

> "No I haven't asked Adobe, who there could possibly tell me?"

Darryl, maybe?

tims :)

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:41 PM
To: Yves Barbion
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy

I had this same situation on this list some time back.

I said this on the list on 18 October, 2009 
(http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2009-October/018261.html 
)

> Can anyone explain to me why it is that Adobe charges USD399 for the
> upgrade of FrameMaker to version 9 for domestic customers but USD515
> for the same thing for International customers.
>
> There are no shipping costs when it has been downloaded and even if
> shipping were included I don't see how they can charge USD116 for
> shipping a small box anyway.
>
> No I haven't asked Adobe, who there could possibly tell me. Certainly
> no one on the helpdesk.

There was some discussion of it then.

Michael learned a new word then: rort.

Darryl learned something too. If in doubt, obfuscate.

Alan

On 29/10/2010, at 3:03 AM, Yves Barbion wrote:

> Hi group
>
> Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full,  
> no
> update) costs:
>
>   - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store
>   http://bit.ly/aXhtLv
>   - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store
>   - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3
>
> I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave  
> me was
> that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free
> support". But I don't need support!
>
> When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I  
> can have a
> live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my
> product selection. This is the result:
>
> Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative.
> Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your
> selection today?
> Darryl: Hello, how can I help you?
> Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in  
> the US
> Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for  
> this HUGE
> difference in price?
> Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are  
> giving
> our Customers the best products and at the right price.
> Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing  
> like
> 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in  
> the
> perceived value of the product'.
> Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the
> software?
> Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why?
> Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing  
> like
> 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in  
> the
> perceived value of the product'.
>
> Huh?
>
>

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RE: FrameMaker and Version Control Software

[Tim J. Slager]

Alison,

We recently switched to Subversion from Rational ClearCase for some of the same 
reasons. I use Tortoise SVN (http://tortoisesvn.net/), which integrates with 
Windows Explorer. And yes, you can lock files, which is a good idea with binary 
files since you can't merge changes with those anyhow.

SVN has been a huge improvement over ClearCase. Very easy to set up and use. 
Jump at the opportunity. You will probably have to get used to some different 
terminology (for example you commit files not check them in) but that doesn't 
take long. 

tims

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:29 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker and Version Control Software

FM 9 Version: 9.0p250
Unstructured
OS: XP Pro with SP3
FM Experience: 13 months
Writing Experience: 15 years
Writing Team: 1 (me)


I started asking question last week about backups on my version control 
database and it turns out that no backups are done (as the sole writer, I am 
the only user of the Documentation database).

The Lead Software engineer has been trying to get me to change from Microsoft's 
Visual Source Safe to the open source product that the R&D department has 
switched to: Subversion. The problem is, he's never given me any compelling 
reasons to change and his description of how Subversion works hasn't made me 
want to make the switch.

After talking with one of the hardware engineers today, I can now see reasons:

-  Microsoft's has very strict "use" recommendations 
(http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/Bb509342) which really mean I 
shouldn't be using VSS anymore as I fall outside the 3-5 Gb guideline (after 
4-1/2 years, my db is now 17 Gb). Database corruption is a real threat
-  contrary to what I was led to believe, you *can* actually lock files 
on checkout. Apparently the programmers don't use this functionality but as I 
foresee a second writer at some point, locking files seems pretty important to 
me

What do other people use for version control of documentation files? Does 
anyone have any experience (good or bad) with either of these specific programs?

Any insights would be greatly appreciated.

FYI: Not only do I keep FM files in VSS, I also keep all my image files and my 
older Word-based docs.


Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com


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FrameMaker and Version Control Software

[Tim J. Slager]

Alison,

We recently switched to Subversion from Rational ClearCase for some of the same 
reasons. I use Tortoise SVN (http://tortoisesvn.net/), which integrates with 
Windows Explorer. And yes, you can lock files, which is a good idea with binary 
files since you can't merge changes with those anyhow.

SVN has been a huge improvement over ClearCase. Very easy to set up and use. 
Jump at the opportunity. You will probably have to get used to some different 
terminology (for example you commit files not check them in) but that doesn't 
take long. 

tims

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:29 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker and Version Control Software

FM 9 Version: 9.0p250
Unstructured
OS: XP Pro with SP3
FM Experience: 13 months
Writing Experience: 15 years
Writing Team: 1 (me)


I started asking question last week about backups on my version control 
database and it turns out that no backups are done (as the sole writer, I am 
the only user of the Documentation database).

The Lead Software engineer has been trying to get me to change from Microsoft's 
Visual Source Safe to the open source product that the R&D department has 
switched to: Subversion. The problem is, he's never given me any compelling 
reasons to change and his description of how Subversion works hasn't made me 
want to make the switch.

After talking with one of the hardware engineers today, I can now see reasons:

-  Microsoft's has very strict "use" recommendations 
(http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/Bb509342) which really mean I 
shouldn't be using VSS anymore as I fall outside the 3-5 Gb guideline (after 
4-1/2 years, my db is now 17 Gb). Database corruption is a real threat
-  contrary to what I was led to believe, you *can* actually lock files 
on checkout. Apparently the programmers don't use this functionality but as I 
foresee a second writer at some point, locking files seems pretty important to 
me

What do other people use for version control of documentation files? Does 
anyone have any experience (good or bad) with either of these specific programs?

Any insights would be greatly appreciated.

FYI: Not only do I keep FM files in VSS, I also keep all my image files and my 
older Word-based docs.


Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com


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RE: Extracting embedded graphics from Word

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The newer MSO Picture Manager also saves files with no quality loss. It is also 
handy for batch exporting to other formats or sizes.

tims

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Richard Melanson
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 9:25 AM
To: Pat Christenson; Pinkham, Jim
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: RE: Extracting embedded graphics from Word

Does anyone remember Microsoft Photo Editor. Trying to get photos,
screen captures, any graphic out of Word using everything I have learned
over 16 years being a technical writer never worked. One day I happened
to be on one of the old computers at my home and Microsoft Photo Editor
was installed, so I put the Word file on the old computer, opened it,
copied a graphic from it into Photo Editor by selecting Edit then Past
as New Image in Photo Editor and VOILA, I could save as .BMP, .JPG, etc
with NO QUALITY LOSS. I use the method to this day. Hope everyone finds
this helpful.
Rick

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Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:36 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: Extracting embedded graphics from Word

Hi all -

I just found out that client is going to make the writers recapture all
the screens so I'm off the hook. Thanks for all the helpful info!

Pat

On Jun 30, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Pinkham, Jim wrote:

> It's always a last-ditch optioin, but it risks a sometimes harsh cost 
> in compromised image quality.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:22 PM
> To: Frame Users
> Cc: Pat Christenson
> Subject: RE: Extracting embedded graphics from Word
>
> Pat,
>
> The best way I have found to do this is to print the Word document to 
> PDF, then use Acrobat to extract the applicable pages and crop away 
> everything except the graphics you need. Then the PDF becomes your 
> source file for the graphics. This works no matter what the original 
> graphic format was or how they got into Word.
>
> Clint
>
>
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>
> Hi -
>
> I have approximately 2000 pages to convert from Word to Frame. The 
> graphics are embedded but the client wants them imported by reference 
> in Frame. I tried "extracting" them from Word by saving a file as HTML

> but the graphics became blurry and unusable. They look fine when I 
> open the Word file in Frame.
>
> Is there a way to extract graphics from Word without losing quality?
> Or a utility that converts embedded graphics in Frame into imported- 
> by-reference?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
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Extracting embedded graphics from Word

[Tim J. Slager]

The newer MSO Picture Manager also saves files with no quality loss. It is also 
handy for batch exporting to other formats or sizes.

tims

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Richard Melanson
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 9:25 AM
To: Pat Christenson; Pinkham, Jim
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: RE: Extracting embedded graphics from Word

Does anyone remember Microsoft Photo Editor. Trying to get photos,
screen captures, any graphic out of Word using everything I have learned
over 16 years being a technical writer never worked. One day I happened
to be on one of the old computers at my home and Microsoft Photo Editor
was installed, so I put the Word file on the old computer, opened it,
copied a graphic from it into Photo Editor by selecting Edit then Past
as New Image in Photo Editor and VOILA, I could save as .BMP, .JPG, etc
with NO QUALITY LOSS. I use the method to this day. Hope everyone finds
this helpful.
Rick

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pat
Christenson
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:36 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: Extracting embedded graphics from Word

Hi all -

I just found out that client is going to make the writers recapture all
the screens so I'm off the hook. Thanks for all the helpful info!

Pat

On Jun 30, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Pinkham, Jim wrote:

> It's always a last-ditch optioin, but it risks a sometimes harsh cost 
> in compromised image quality.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:22 PM
> To: Frame Users
> Cc: Pat Christenson
> Subject: RE: Extracting embedded graphics from Word
>
> Pat,
>
> The best way I have found to do this is to print the Word document to 
> PDF, then use Acrobat to extract the applicable pages and crop away 
> everything except the graphics you need. Then the PDF becomes your 
> source file for the graphics. This works no matter what the original 
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> Hi -
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> I have approximately 2000 pages to convert from Word to Frame. The 
> graphics are embedded but the client wants them imported by reference 
> in Frame. I tried "extracting" them from Word by saving a file as HTML

> but the graphics became blurry and unusable. They look fine when I 
> open the Word file in Frame.
>
> Is there a way to extract graphics from Word without losing quality?
> Or a utility that converts embedded graphics in Frame into imported- 
> by-reference?
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ARE: Framemaker 9 vs Microsoft Word

[Tim J. Slager]

I was saying that Word can function reliably with large documents on a regular 
basis, provided one uses styles and templates, as recommended. (Just expect 
some exasperation with numbered lists.)

The programming option makes it possible to do things that go beyond any other 
word processing program I have encountered. It was something I would not have 
been aware of if a tech-writer-turned-VBA-programmer had not demonstrated it. I 
thought others might not be aware of this, either. Minor but thoughtful 
programming that was added to the template led to enthusiastic acceptance of 
the template by virtually the entire international company because it was so 
easy to use--and reliable. For example, a single button click reformatted 
tables to the standard and a dialog box converted documents from an old format 
to the new international standard.

Sorry for running the two concepts together. Not saying Word is better than 
Frame, just different with some positive aspects. (I still despise Word's 
numbering.)

tims

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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
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Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 12:07 AM
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Subject: Re: ARE: Framemaker 9 vs Microsoft Word

I rather find the apology that Word can be made to function reliably 
ONLY IF one reprograms it to be begging the question. It is usually 
thought that one buys software that functions without the user having to 
fix the program they just spent a few hundred dollars on.

Scott

On 6/3/10 12:35 PM, Tim J. Slager wrote:
> Frame is clunky; Word is quirky.
>
> I have to agree numbered lists are Word's Achilles heal, although I can 
> (usually) get them to work.
>
> I worked for 10 years at a company where we used Word to create professional 
> documentation with page counts reaching into the thousands with very 
> consistent template styles and rare file corruption. We had the advantage of 
> a developer who could make Word do almost anything and had custom tool bars 
> and automated documentation generation built into Word. The flexibility 
> allowed by VBA programming is a great strength of Word.
>
> That said, there is something comforting about the stolid reliability of 
> FM--once you get it figured out.
>
> tims
>
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RE: ARE: Framemaker 9 vs Microsoft Word

[Tim J. Slager]

I was saying that Word can function reliably with large documents on a regular 
basis, provided one uses styles and templates, as recommended. (Just expect 
some exasperation with numbered lists.)

The programming option makes it possible to do things that go beyond any other 
word processing program I have encountered. It was something I would not have 
been aware of if a tech-writer-turned-VBA-programmer had not demonstrated it. I 
thought others might not be aware of this, either. Minor but thoughtful 
programming that was added to the template led to enthusiastic acceptance of 
the template by virtually the entire international company because it was so 
easy to use--and reliable. For example, a single button click reformatted 
tables to the standard and a dialog box converted documents from an old format 
to the new international standard.

Sorry for running the two concepts together. Not saying Word is better than 
Frame, just different with some positive aspects. (I still despise Word's 
numbering.)

tims

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I rather find the apology that Word can be made to function reliably 
ONLY IF one reprograms it to be begging the question. It is usually 
thought that one buys software that functions without the user having to 
fix the program they just spent a few hundred dollars on.

Scott

On 6/3/10 12:35 PM, Tim J. Slager wrote:
> Frame is clunky; Word is quirky.
>
> I have to agree numbered lists are Word's Achilles heal, although I can 
> (usually) get them to work.
>
> I worked for 10 years at a company where we used Word to create professional 
> documentation with page counts reaching into the thousands with very 
> consistent template styles and rare file corruption. We had the advantage of 
> a developer who could make Word do almost anything and had custom tool bars 
> and automated documentation generation built into Word. The flexibility 
> allowed by VBA programming is a great strength of Word.
>
> That said, there is something comforting about the stolid reliability of 
> FM--once you get it figured out.
>
> tims
>
>
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ARE: Framemaker 9 vs Microsoft Word

[Tim J. Slager]

Frame is clunky; Word is quirky.

I have to agree numbered lists are Word's Achilles heal, although I can 
(usually) get them to work. 

I worked for 10 years at a company where we used Word to create professional 
documentation with page counts reaching into the thousands with very consistent 
template styles and rare file corruption. We had the advantage of a developer 
who could make Word do almost anything and had custom tool bars and automated 
documentation generation built into Word. The flexibility allowed by VBA 
programming is a great strength of Word.

That said, there is something comforting about the stolid reliability of 
FM--once you get it figured out. 

tims

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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 1:01 PM
To: Kelly McDaniel
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Framemaker 9 vs Microsoft Word

... and lest I forget, numbered lists are a NIGHTMARE in Word,
effortless in Frame.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Steve Johnson  wrote:
> Where do you want to start? If you want professional documentation do
> not use Word, do not even think about it.
>
> Word cannot handle cross-references, there are various anomalies when
> converting Word to PDF. Word has had a bug since 2.0 such that if you
> put a hard page break directly in front of a heading and then
> cross-reference to that heading, Word inserts a hard page break in
> front of the cross-reference.
>
> Word's attempts at paragraph formatting and templating are pathetic.
> In general, maintaining formatting consistency is a huge PITA with
> Word, whereas Frame gives you no trouble at all.
>
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Kelly McDaniel  
> wrote:
>> Does anyone have a current comparison they can share?...thanks, Kelly.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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ARE: Framemaker 9 vs Microsoft Word

[Tim J. Slager]

Frame is clunky; Word is quirky.

I have to agree numbered lists are Word's Achilles heal, although I can 
(usually) get them to work. 

I worked for 10 years at a company where we used Word to create professional 
documentation with page counts reaching into the thousands with very consistent 
template styles and rare file corruption. We had the advantage of a developer 
who could make Word do almost anything and had custom tool bars and automated 
documentation generation built into Word. The flexibility allowed by VBA 
programming is a great strength of Word.

That said, there is something comforting about the stolid reliability of 
FM--once you get it figured out. 

tims

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 1:01 PM
To: Kelly McDaniel
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Framemaker 9 vs Microsoft Word

... and lest I forget, numbered lists are a NIGHTMARE in Word,
effortless in Frame.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Steve Johnson  wrote:
> Where do you want to start? If you want professional documentation do
> not use Word, do not even think about it.
>
> Word cannot handle cross-references, there are various anomalies when
> converting Word to PDF. Word has had a bug since 2.0 such that if you
> put a hard page break directly in front of a heading and then
> cross-reference to that heading, Word inserts a hard page break in
> front of the cross-reference.
>
> Word's attempts at paragraph formatting and templating are pathetic.
> In general, maintaining formatting consistency is a huge PITA with
> Word, whereas Frame gives you no trouble at all.
>
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Kelly McDaniel  wrote:
>> Does anyone have a current comparison they can share?...thanks, Kelly.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kelly M. McDaniel
>>
>> Senior Technical Writer - R&D Rockwell Automation
>>
>> Austin, Texas - 512.438.1521
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folder structure

[Tim J. Slager]

I inherited a book with chapters and files in a complex directory structure. We 
are changing from one version-control software to another, so now would be a 
good time to change the folder structure.

The complex structure makes it difficult to check out all the files in a  book 
at once. It seems to me that it would be easier to have files that are common 
across products in a common files folder, and to have all the rest of the .FM 
files for each product/FM book in a single folder, with images in an adjacent 
folder.

I am wondering if there are recommendations for file structure, and what are 
the gotchas I'm likely to encounter if I move things around.

Thanks. tims

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folder structure

[Tim J. Slager]

I inherited a book with chapters and files in a complex directory structure. We 
are changing from one version-control software to another, so now would be a 
good time to change the folder structure.

The complex structure makes it difficult to check out all the files in a  book 
at once. It seems to me that it would be easier to have files that are common 
across products in a common files folder, and to have all the rest of the .FM 
files for each product/FM book in a single folder, with images in an adjacent 
folder.

I am wondering if there are recommendations for file structure, and what are 
the gotchas I'm likely to encounter if I move things around.

Thanks. tims

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RE: Running Headers

[Tim J. Slager]

Steve,

I'm new to FM and inherited the set of files. I'm not sure why some of the 
chapters are broken up into smaller pieces, but if I can't figure out a good 
reason for it, I'll probably combine the chunks into full chapters for the sake 
of consistency. That should take care of my problem. In the mean time I can try 
some of the suggestions offered from this list.

Thanks, everyone. tims

-Original Message-
From: Steve Johnson [mailto:chinask...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:17 AM
To: Tim J. Slager
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Running Headers

I'm not aware of having a variable pull a value from a different
physical file. Have you ever done that before? I expect the solution
is to use text insets rather than have one chapter split into multiple
files. One chapter should be one physical file for sanity's sake.

Alternatively, you might have to go with different variables but I
probably wouldn't go that route. (IOW, in Chapter 1, file 2, have a
variable that gets the value of ChapterTitleInvisible that is in the
file but doesn't display because it's in white text or is tagged with
conditional text.) That would be too hard to maintain.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Tim J. Slager
 wrote:
> FM 7.2
> ---
> I have running headers that reference Chapter Title on left pages and Heading 
> 1 on right pages. Some chapters have multiple files, so they don't include a 
> Chapter Title and sometimes not even a Heading 1.
>
> I expected that within a book the variable would pick up the referenced 
> paragraph from an earlier file. This doesn't seem to be the case, and I now 
> have blank headers on some pages of the final document.
>
> How do I fix this? I couldn't find an answer in my Unstructured FrameMaker 8 
> book, so if you know it's in there, just point me in the right direction.
>
> Thanks. tims
>
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Running Headers

[Tim J. Slager]

Steve,

I'm new to FM and inherited the set of files. I'm not sure why some of the 
chapters are broken up into smaller pieces, but if I can't figure out a good 
reason for it, I'll probably combine the chunks into full chapters for the sake 
of consistency. That should take care of my problem. In the mean time I can try 
some of the suggestions offered from this list.

Thanks, everyone. tims

-Original Message-
From: Steve Johnson [mailto:chinask...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:17 AM
To: Tim J. Slager
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Running Headers

I'm not aware of having a variable pull a value from a different
physical file. Have you ever done that before? I expect the solution
is to use text insets rather than have one chapter split into multiple
files. One chapter should be one physical file for sanity's sake.

Alternatively, you might have to go with different variables but I
probably wouldn't go that route. (IOW, in Chapter 1, file 2, have a
variable that gets the value of ChapterTitleInvisible that is in the
file but doesn't display because it's in white text or is tagged with
conditional text.) That would be too hard to maintain.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Tim J. Slager
 wrote:
> FM 7.2
> ---
> I have running headers that reference Chapter Title on left pages and Heading 
> 1 on right pages. Some chapters have multiple files, so they don't include a 
> Chapter Title and sometimes not even a Heading 1.
>
> I expected that within a book the variable would pick up the referenced 
> paragraph from an earlier file. This doesn't seem to be the case, and I now 
> have blank headers on some pages of the final document.
>
> How do I fix this? I couldn't find an answer in my Unstructured FrameMaker 8 
> book, so if you know it's in there, just point me in the right direction.
>
> Thanks. tims
>
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Running Headers

[Tim J. Slager]

FM 7.2
---
I have running headers that reference Chapter Title on left pages and Heading 1 
on right pages. Some chapters have multiple files, so they don't include a 
Chapter Title and sometimes not even a Heading 1.

I expected that within a book the variable would pick up the referenced 
paragraph from an earlier file. This doesn't seem to be the case, and I now 
have blank headers on some pages of the final document.

How do I fix this? I couldn't find an answer in my Unstructured FrameMaker 8 
book, so if you know it's in there, just point me in the right direction.

Thanks. tims

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Running Headers

[Tim J. Slager]

FM 7.2
---
I have running headers that reference Chapter Title on left pages and Heading 1 
on right pages. Some chapters have multiple files, so they don't include a 
Chapter Title and sometimes not even a Heading 1.

I expected that within a book the variable would pick up the referenced 
paragraph from an earlier file. This doesn't seem to be the case, and I now 
have blank headers on some pages of the final document.

How do I fix this? I couldn't find an answer in my Unstructured FrameMaker 8 
book, so if you know it's in there, just point me in the right direction.

Thanks. tims

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Pagination problem

[Tim J. Slager]

Thanks, everyone, for being so helpful! This list is going to make my life 
easier.

I sort of accidentally managed to get an acceptable solution for the time 
being. I was poking in the right areas, at least. Right now, one of the pages 
that I would rather have start on a right page starts on a left page. 

I will go through all your suggestions until I feel confident that I know what 
causes the problem and how to fix it (when I have the time).

Thanks again. tims

-Original Message-
From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 3:23 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Tim J. Slager
Subject: Re: Pagination problem

I assume that the pagination is set to double-sided (ie, left/right). If the 
preface has several individual FM documents in it, my guess is that each 
document is set to start on the right page, and the text of the troublesome 
document ends on a right page. Therefore, FM adds a blank left page so the next 
document can start on a right page.

Nadine

--- On Wed, 4/14/10, Tim J. Slager  wrote:

> From: Tim J. Slager 
> Subject: Pagination problem
> To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 10:20 AM
> FM 7.2, Windows XP
> 
> I have a preface with a number of FM documents in it. The
> first document should have two pages but insists on having
> three. When I delete the third page, save the file, and then
> open it again, the third page is back. This messes up my
> page numbering for the rest of the preface.
> 
> I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it
> doesn't stay. I have tried various settings in Format >
> Page Layout > Pagination, but when I open it again the
> Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page
> Count Odd."
> 
> I've wasted too much time trying to figure this out. Any
> ideas?
> 
> Thanks. tims
> 
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RE: Pagination problem

[Tim J. Slager]

Thanks, everyone, for being so helpful! This list is going to make my life 
easier.

I sort of accidentally managed to get an acceptable solution for the time 
being. I was poking in the right areas, at least. Right now, one of the pages 
that I would rather have start on a right page starts on a left page. 

I will go through all your suggestions until I feel confident that I know what 
causes the problem and how to fix it (when I have the time).

Thanks again. tims

-Original Message-
From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 3:23 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Tim J. Slager
Subject: Re: Pagination problem

I assume that the pagination is set to double-sided (ie, left/right). If the 
preface has several individual FM documents in it, my guess is that each 
document is set to start on the right page, and the text of the troublesome 
document ends on a right page. Therefore, FM adds a blank left page so the next 
document can start on a right page.

Nadine

--- On Wed, 4/14/10, Tim J. Slager  wrote:

> From: Tim J. Slager 
> Subject: Pagination problem
> To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 10:20 AM
> FM 7.2, Windows XP
> 
> I have a preface with a number of FM documents in it. The
> first document should have two pages but insists on having
> three. When I delete the third page, save the file, and then
> open it again, the third page is back. This messes up my
> page numbering for the rest of the preface.
> 
> I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it
> doesn't stay. I have tried various settings in Format >
> Page Layout > Pagination, but when I open it again the
> Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page
> Count Odd."
> 
> I've wasted too much time trying to figure this out. Any
> ideas?
> 
> Thanks. tims
> 
> Tim Slager | ISD Tech Pubs | 616.494.1373
> 
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RE: Pagination problem

[Tim J. Slager]

PS: In some cases, the third page shows up only after I update the book.

I'm new to FM, so please assume user ignorance...

From: Tim J. Slager
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:20 AM
To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Pagination problem

FM 7.2, Windows XP

I have a preface with a number of FM documents in it. The first document should 
have two pages but insists on having three. When I delete the third page, save 
the file, and then open it again, the third page is back. This messes up my 
page numbering for the rest of the preface.

I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it doesn't stay. I have 
tried various settings in Format > Page Layout > Pagination, but when I open it 
again the Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page Count Odd."

I've wasted too much time trying to figure this out. Any ideas?

Thanks. tims

Tim Slager | ISD Tech Pubs | 616.494.1373

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Pagination problem

[Tim J. Slager]

FM 7.2, Windows XP

I have a preface with a number of FM documents in it. The first document should 
have two pages but insists on having three. When I delete the third page, save 
the file, and then open it again, the third page is back. This messes up my 
page numbering for the rest of the preface.

I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it doesn't stay. I have 
tried various settings in Format > Page Layout > Pagination, but when I open it 
again the Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page Count Odd."

I've wasted too much time trying to figure this out. Any ideas?

Thanks. tims

Tim Slager | ISD Tech Pubs | 616.494.1373

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Pagination problem

[Tim J. Slager]

PS: In some cases, the third page shows up only after I update the book.

I'm new to FM, so please assume user ignorance...

From: Tim J. Slager
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:20 AM
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Pagination problem

FM 7.2, Windows XP

I have a preface with a number of FM documents in it. The first document should 
have two pages but insists on having three. When I delete the third page, save 
the file, and then open it again, the third page is back. This messes up my 
page numbering for the rest of the preface.

I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it doesn't stay. I have 
tried various settings in Format > Page Layout > Pagination, but when I open it 
again the Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page Count Odd."

I've wasted too much time trying to figure this out. Any ideas?

Thanks. tims

Tim Slager | ISD Tech Pubs | 616.494.1373

Pagination problem

[Tim J. Slager]

FM 7.2, Windows XP

I have a preface with a number of FM documents in it. The first document should 
have two pages but insists on having three. When I delete the third page, save 
the file, and then open it again, the third page is back. This messes up my 
page numbering for the rest of the preface.

I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it doesn't stay. I have 
tried various settings in Format > Page Layout > Pagination, but when I open it 
again the Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page Count Odd."

I've wasted too much time trying to figure this out. Any ideas?

Thanks. tims

Tim Slager | ISD Tech Pubs | 616.494.1373