Cursor key navigation in tables

[Dave Reynolds]

I've done the same thing for years with Ctrl + Shift + arrow key to move 
the cursor around within a table. I just chose Ctrl+Shift because they 
are beside each other on the keyboard and I find it's an easy movement.

As an aside, I find the ability to create custom keyboard shortcuts one 
of the most useful features of Frame. It's saved me a lot of time and 
frustration over the years, not to mention thousands of mouse-clicks.

Cheers

Dave
Heiko Haida wrote, on 19/03/2013 6:17 a.m.:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I checked with "alt-key + shift-key + arrow-keys", that would work 
> (alt/shift+arrow does not seem to have another function when the 
> cursor is placed in the text).
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Best regards -
>
> Tino H. Haida, Berlin
>
>> Hi Rick,
>>
>> I checked with my FM 8 and FM 9 installations - table navigation was 
>> "OFF".
>>
>> Your suggestion is to add:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> In FM 8, I had a modification installed (Shlomo Perets' toolbar). I 
>> added these 4 lines to the existing "custumui.cfg" => table 
>> navigation via key arrows is now ON!
>>
>> In FM 9 there was no "customui.cfg", so I created this file with 
>> these 4 lines as the only content => table navigation is now ON!
>>
>> So everything's fine and working in these older FM-versions. Thank you!
>>
>> Best regards -
>>
>> Tino H. Haida, Berlin
>>
>> Hi Fred,
>>
>> I specifically tested the four I modified with FrameMaker 10 and
>> they worked. I don't have 9 anymore so I can't test it with 9.
>> Send me the modify sequences you tried and I will test them. It
>> could be a problem specific to 9, but maybe the syntax isn't
>> exactly right. Thanks.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> *From:*Fred Ridder [mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 16, 2013 12:11 AM
>> *To:* rick at rickquatro.com; syed.hosain at aeris.net;
>> alison.craig at ultrasonix.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> *Subject:* RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
>>
>> Thanks Rick and Syed.
>>
>> In my poking around earlier today, I did find these commands in
>> cmds.cfg and tried to reassign the MoveIPToCellAbove and
>> ...CellBelow commands to more convenient shortcut keys. But
>> whether I left them alone, changed the  definition,
>> or added a  command, those two MoveIP commands refuse to
>> do anything. ...CellAtLeft and ...CellAtRight both work, as do
>> MoveIPUpAndSelectText and MoveIPDownAndSelectText, but not the
>> two commands I specifically want to use. I suppose I'll just have
>> to use the move and select commands, because at least it's better
>> than having to reach for the mouse every damn time.
>>
>> What's frustrating is that I *know* these commands worked in
>> FM5.5.6, 6.0, 7.x and 8.0. Chalk up one mlore feature that got
>> broken and never fixed when Adobe saw fit to impose their stupid
>> and inconvenient (and buggy...) UI on us with version 9.0. Sigh...
>>
>> I suppose I *should* report this bug to Adobe, but every time I
>> have done it in the past has been an exercise in ultimate
>> frustration. Every time it has taken me between one and two hours
>> to accomplish something that should have taken 10-15 minutes. And
>> ever since software development and maintenance was moved to
>> Bangalore, the only response I have ever gotten to a reported bug
>> was that "we fixed the software to make it work the way it was
>> supposed to work". Never mind that the new behavior was illogical
>> and inconsistent with how other similar features worked, the mere
>> fact that FrameMaker now behaved differently meant that a whole
>> flock of my carefully designed procedures and processes no longer
>> worked. I might have chalked it up to job security, but my
>>     employer (by acquisition...) chose to shut down their operation
>> here in New Jersey. But that's a story for another day...
>>
>> Thanks for your efforts, guys.
>>
>> Fred Ridder
>>
>> > From: rick at rickquatro.com <mailto:rick at rickquatro.com>
>> > To: Syed.Hosain at aeris.net <mailto:Syed.Hosain at aeris.net>;
>> Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com <mailto:Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com>;
>> docudoc at hotmail.com <mai

Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Shmuel Wolfson]

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Cursor key navigation in tables

[Heiko Haida]

Hi all, 

I checked with "alt-key + shift-key + arrow-keys", that
would work (alt/shift+arrow does not seem to have another function when
the cursor is placed in the text). 

>
>
>
> 

Best regards - 

Tino H.
Haida, Berlin 

> Hi Rick, 
> 
> I checked with my FM 8 and FM 9
installations - table navigation was "OFF". 
> 
> Your suggestion is to
add: 
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > 
>

> In FM 8, I had a modification installed (Shlomo Perets' toolbar). I
added these 4 lines to the existing "custumui.cfg" => table navigation
via key arrows is now ON! 
> 
> In FM 9 there was no "customui.cfg", so
I created this file with these 4 lines as the only content => table
navigation is now ON! 
> 
> So everything's fine and working in these
older FM-versions. Thank you! 
> 
> Best regards - 
> 
> Tino H. Haida,
Berlin 
> 
>> Hi Fred, 
>> 
>> I specifically tested the four I modified
with FrameMaker 10 and they worked. I don't have 9 anymore so I can't
test it with 9. Send me the modify sequences you tried and I will test
them. It could be a problem specific to 9, but maybe the syntax isn't
exactly right. Thanks. 
>> 
>> Rick 
>> 
>> FROM: Fred Ridder
[mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com] 
>> SENT: Saturday, March 16, 2013 12:11
AM
>> TO: rick at rickquatro.com; syed.hosain at aeris.net;
alison.craig at ultrasonix.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> SUBJECT:
RE: Cursor key navigation in tables 
>> 
>> Thanks Rick and Syed.
>> 
>>
In my poking around earlier today, I did find these commands in cmds.cfg
and tried to reassign the MoveIPToCellAbove and ...CellBelow commands to
more convenient shortcut keys. But whether I left them alone, changed
the  definition, or added a  command, those two
MoveIP commands refuse to do anything. ...CellAtLeft and ...CellAtRight
both work, as do MoveIPUpAndSelectText and MoveIPDownAndSelectText, but
not the two commands I specifically want to use. I suppose I'll just
have to use the move and select commands, because at least it's better
than having to reach for the mouse every damn time.
>> 
>> What's
frustrating is that I *know* these commands worked in FM5.5.6, 6.0, 7.x
and 8.0. Chalk up one mlore feature that got broken and never fixed when
Adobe saw fit to impose their stupid and inconvenient (and buggy...) UI
on us with version 9.0. Sigh...
>> 
>> I suppose I *should* report this
bug to Adobe, but every time I have done it in the past has been an
exercise in ultimate frustration. Every time it has taken me between one
and two hours to accomplish something that should have taken 10-15
minutes. And ever since software development and maintenance was moved
to Bangalore, the only response I have ever gotten to a reported bug was
that "we fixed the software to make it work the way it was supposed to
work". Never mind that the new behavior was illogical and inconsistent
with how other similar features worked, the mere fact that FrameMaker
now behaved differently meant that a whole flock of my carefully
designed procedures and processes no longer worked. I might have chalked
it up to job security, but my employer (by acquisition...) chose to shut
down their operation here in New Jersey. But that's a story for another
day...
>> 
>> Thanks for your efforts, guys.
>> 
>> Fred Ridder 
>> 
>>>
From: r...@rickquatro.com
>>> To: Syed.Hosain at aeris.net;
Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com; docudoc at hotmail.com;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in
tables
>>> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
>>> 
>>> Open the
FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
>>>
these lines:
>>> 
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >

-- 


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Br?sseler Str.
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Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:39 -0400 18/3/13, Fred Ridder wrote:

>BTW, all of this is documented in a PDF called CustomizingfFrameProducts.pdf 
>that Adobe used to distribute in the Documentation directory of the FrameMaker 
>installation. Unfortunately, this document was last updated for FrameMaker 
>7.0, and was no longer distributed with versions after 9.0.  I would hope that 
>this file is still available somewhere on the Adobe website, but I suspect 
>that may be over-optimistic.

I have a copy, but only the Mac version, which might not be the same.

Try this: 

-- 
Steve

Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi Heidi,

Do you just import the file into an anchored frame?

You can also use a dedicated table with a single cell and without
borders. The width should be that of your text column. Use a
special paragraph format, e.g. figure in this table cell to hold the
anchored frame. Press ESC m p to shrinkwrap the anchored frame to
the size of the graphic. Then the anchored frame will be set to "At
Insertion Point". If you set the alignment of your figure paragraph
format to Left, all your anchored frames will be left aligned.
Additionally a table has a table title which you can use as figure title.
Very convenient to control.

Best regards

Winfried

> Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
> Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place a
> screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames left-aligned, so
> it is a pain to have to reset this each time.
> I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some way of
> setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?
>
> Thanks,
> Heidi



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Re: Cursor key navigation in tables

[Dave Reynolds]

I've done the same thing for years with Ctrl + Shift + arrow key to move 
the cursor around within a table. I just chose Ctrl+Shift because they 
are beside each other on the keyboard and I find it's an easy movement.


As an aside, I find the ability to create custom keyboard shortcuts one 
of the most useful features of Frame. It's saved me a lot of time and 
frustration over the years, not to mention thousands of mouse-clicks.


Cheers

Dave
Heiko Haida wrote, on 19/03/2013 6:17 a.m.:


Hi all,

I checked with "alt-key + shift-key + arrow-keys", that would work 
(alt/shift+arrow does not seem to have another function when the 
cursor is placed in the text).


>
>
>
>

Best regards -

Tino H. Haida, Berlin


Hi Rick,

I checked with my FM 8 and FM 9 installations - table navigation was 
"OFF".


Your suggestion is to add:

>
>
>
>

In FM 8, I had a modification installed (Shlomo Perets' toolbar). I 
added these 4 lines to the existing "custumui.cfg" => table 
navigation via key arrows is now ON!


In FM 9 there was no "customui.cfg", so I created this file with 
these 4 lines as the only content => table navigation is now ON!


So everything's fine and working in these older FM-versions. Thank you!

Best regards -

Tino H. Haida, Berlin

Hi Fred,

I specifically tested the four I modified with FrameMaker 10 and
they worked. I don't have 9 anymore so I can't test it with 9.
Send me the modify sequences you tried and I will test them. It
could be a problem specific to 9, but maybe the syntax isn't
exactly right. Thanks.

Rick

*From:*Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, March 16, 2013 12:11 AM
*To:* r...@rickquatro.com; syed.hos...@aeris.net;
    alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
*Subject:* RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

Thanks Rick and Syed.

In my poking around earlier today, I did find these commands in
cmds.cfg and tried to reassign the MoveIPToCellAbove and
...CellBelow commands to more convenient shortcut keys. But
whether I left them alone, changed the  definition,
or added a  command, those two MoveIP commands refuse to
do anything. ...CellAtLeft and ...CellAtRight both work, as do
MoveIPUpAndSelectText and MoveIPDownAndSelectText, but not the
two commands I specifically want to use. I suppose I'll just have
to use the move and select commands, because at least it's better
than having to reach for the mouse every damn time.

What's frustrating is that I *know* these commands worked in
FM5.5.6, 6.0, 7.x and 8.0. Chalk up one mlore feature that got
broken and never fixed when Adobe saw fit to impose their stupid
and inconvenient (and buggy...) UI on us with version 9.0. Sigh...

I suppose I *should* report this bug to Adobe, but every time I
have done it in the past has been an exercise in ultimate
frustration. Every time it has taken me between one and two hours
to accomplish something that should have taken 10-15 minutes. And
ever since software development and maintenance was moved to
Bangalore, the only response I have ever gotten to a reported bug
was that "we fixed the software to make it work the way it was
supposed to work". Never mind that the new behavior was illogical
and inconsistent with how other similar features worked, the mere
fact that FrameMaker now behaved differently meant that a whole
flock of my carefully designed procedures and processes no longer
worked. I might have chalked it up to job security, but my
employer (by acquisition...) chose to shut down their operation
here in New Jersey. But that's a story for another day...

Thanks for your efforts, guys.

Fred Ridder

> From: r...@rickquatro.com <mailto:r...@rickquatro.com>
> To: syed.hos...@aeris.net <mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net>;
alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com <mailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com>;
    docu...@hotmail.com <mailto:docu...@hotmail.com>;
framers@lists.frameusers.com <mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
>
> Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text
editor and add
> these lines:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >


--


Heiko Haida
Brüsseler Str. 37a
13353 Berlin
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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi all, 

I checked with "alt-key + shift-key + arrow-keys", that
would work (alt/shift+arrow does not seem to have another function when
the cursor is placed in the text). 

>
>
>
> 

Best regards - 

Tino H.
Haida, Berlin 

> Hi Rick, 
> 
> I checked with my FM 8 and FM 9
installations - table navigation was "OFF". 
> 
> Your suggestion is to
add: 
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > 
>

> In FM 8, I had a modification installed (Shlomo Perets' toolbar). I
added these 4 lines to the existing "custumui.cfg" => table navigation
via key arrows is now ON! 
> 
> In FM 9 there was no "customui.cfg", so
I created this file with these 4 lines as the only content => table
navigation is now ON! 
> 
> So everything's fine and working in these
older FM-versions. Thank you! 
> 
> Best regards - 
> 
> Tino H. Haida,
Berlin 
> 
>> Hi Fred, 
>> 
>> I specifically tested the four I modified
with FrameMaker 10 and they worked. I don't have 9 anymore so I can't
test it with 9. Send me the modify sequences you tried and I will test
them. It could be a problem specific to 9, but maybe the syntax isn't
exactly right. Thanks. 
>> 
>> Rick 
>> 
>> FROM: Fred Ridder
[mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
>> SENT: Saturday, March 16, 2013 12:11
AM
>> TO: r...@rickquatro.com; syed.hos...@aeris.net;
alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
>> SUBJECT:
RE: Cursor key navigation in tables 
>> 
>> Thanks Rick and Syed.
>> 
>>
In my poking around earlier today, I did find these commands in cmds.cfg
and tried to reassign the MoveIPToCellAbove and ...CellBelow commands to
more convenient shortcut keys. But whether I left them alone, changed
the  definition, or added a  command, those two
MoveIP commands refuse to do anything. ...CellAtLeft and ...CellAtRight
both work, as do MoveIPUpAndSelectText and MoveIPDownAndSelectText, but
not the two commands I specifically want to use. I suppose I'll just
have to use the move and select commands, because at least it's better
than having to reach for the mouse every damn time.
>> 
>> What's
frustrating is that I *know* these commands worked in FM5.5.6, 6.0, 7.x
and 8.0. Chalk up one mlore feature that got broken and never fixed when
Adobe saw fit to impose their stupid and inconvenient (and buggy...) UI
on us with version 9.0. Sigh...
>> 
>> I suppose I *should* report this
bug to Adobe, but every time I have done it in the past has been an
exercise in ultimate frustration. Every time it has taken me between one
and two hours to accomplish something that should have taken 10-15
minutes. And ever since software development and maintenance was moved
to Bangalore, the only response I have ever gotten to a reported bug was
that "we fixed the software to make it work the way it was supposed to
work". Never mind that the new behavior was illogical and inconsistent
with how other similar features worked, the mere fact that FrameMaker
now behaved differently meant that a whole flock of my carefully
designed procedures and processes no longer worked. I might have chalked
it up to job security, but my employer (by acquisition...) chose to shut
down their operation here in New Jersey. But that's a story for another
day...
>> 
>> Thanks for your efforts, guys.
>> 
>> Fred Ridder 
>> 
>>>
From: r...@rickquatro.com
>>> To: syed.hos...@aeris.net;
alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com; docu...@hotmail.com;
framers@lists.frameusers.com
>>> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in
tables
>>> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
>>> 
>>> Open the
FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
>>>
these lines:
>>> 
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >

-- 


Heiko Haida
Brüsseler Str.
37a
13353 Berlin
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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Harro de Jong]

Heidi Bailey wrote:


> I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit folder, 
> I
> have a configui folder (no config folder), and no customui.cfg file. Can you 
> tell me
> which of the files in there is the right one:
> 
> Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...) Mathcmds.cfg
> Sample.cfg Wincmds.cfg
> 
> Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?

configui is the correct folder name. If customui.cfg doesn't exist, you can 
create it in this folder. 


> Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
> Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place a
> screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames left-aligned, so 
> it is a
> pain to have to reset this each time.
> I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some way of 
> setting
> FM to always left-align new graphic frames?

No. I used to use QuicKeys to change this for all frames in a book, but sadly 
that isn't officially supported under Windows 7 anymore. Some people have got 
it to work though. 

Harro de Jong
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Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Harro de Jong]

Heidi Bailey wrote:


> I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit folder, 
> I
> have a configui folder (no config folder), and no customui.cfg file. Can you 
> tell me
> which of the files in there is the right one:
> 
> Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...) Mathcmds.cfg
> Sample.cfg Wincmds.cfg
> 
> Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?

configui is the correct folder name. If customui.cfg doesn't exist, you can 
create it in this folder. 


> Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
> Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place a
> screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames left-aligned, so 
> it is a
> pain to have to reset this each time.
> I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some way of 
> setting
> FM to always left-align new graphic frames?

No. I used to use QuicKeys to change this for all frames in a book, but sadly 
that isn't officially supported under Windows 7 anymore. Some people have got 
it to work though. 

Harro de Jong
Triview

Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Fred Ridder]

Umm, I think I indicated that in my previous message. To designate modifier 
keys in a KeySequence string:
 - Shift key is +
 - Ctrl key is ^
 - Atl key is ~

AFAIK, FrameMaker does not support any use of the Windows key.

Note that when defining a KeySequence that uses a modifier key (or a 
combination of modifier keys), the modifier key(s) and the key that follows are 
pressed *in combination* rather than as a sequence of separate keystrokes. 
(Most existing KeySequence definitions start with the Esc key, which is denoted 
by \!, followed by several case-sensitive letters that are pressed in sequence.)

-Fred Ridder

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:25:53 +0200
From: shmue...@gmail.com
To: docudoc at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame 
placement)






Good idea. 



  What are the symbols for the ALT, CTRL, SHIFT and Windows Key?



  Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133



  On 18-Mar-13 4:39 PM, Fred Ridder wrote:





One solution to this is to define the KeySequence for navigation
within a table to use one or more modifier keys (Shift, Ctrl, or
Alt) in addition to the cursor keys. This change does not affect
the function of the unmodified cursor keys in regular text. 



To specify a modifier key in a KeySequence string, just use a
plus sign for Shift, a caret for Ctrl, or a tilde for Alt. The
modifier key symbol(s) needs to appear at the start of the
string with no space (i.e. immediately to the left of the
slash). For example:

>

would define the keystroke combination for moving down a row in
a table to be the Ctrl key plus the down arrow cursor key.



BTW, all of this is documented in a PDF called
CustomizingfFrameProducts.pdf that Adobe used to distribute in
the Documentation directory of the FrameMaker installation.
Unfortunately, this document was last updated for FrameMaker
7.0, and was no longer distributed with versions after 9.0.  I
would hope that this file is still available somewhere on the
Adobe website, but I suspect that may be over-optimistic. 



-Fred Ridder



> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:02:10 -0400

  > Subject: Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and
  another thing (graphic frame placement)

  > From: ljsims.ml at gmail.com

  > To: hbailey at ocztechnology.com

  > CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com

  > 

  > I created a customui.cfg file and put it in the
  fminit\configui folder

  > and it works perfectly. The only caveat, as I noted in a
  different

  > email, is that cursor navigation apparently no longer
  works in regular

  > text.

  > 

  > Bruce Foster's ImpGraph plugin did what you wanted, but
  with his death

  > it is, as far as I know, no longer available. Maybe
  someone has a copy

  > they'd be willing to give you.

  > 

  > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Heidi Bailey
   wrote:

  > > Hi Rick,

  > > I'd love to apply what you describe below. However,
  in my FM10 Fminit folder, I have a configui folder (no config
  folder), and no customui.cfg file. Can you tell me which of
  the files in there is the right one:

  > >

  > > Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already
  mentioned...)

  > > Mathcmds.cfg

  > > Sample.cfg

  > > Wincmds.cfg

  > >

  > > Or do I need to create a config folder and a file
  called customui.cfg?

  > >

  > >

  > > Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:

  > > Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing
  Esc fif to place a screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need
  my graphic frames left-aligned, so it is a pain to have to
  reset this each time.

  > > I hunted through the maker.ini file but found
  nothing. Is there some way of setting FM to always left-align
  new graphic frames?

  > >

  > > Thanks,

  > > Heidi

  > > --

  > >

  > > Message: 11

  > > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400

          > > From: "Rick Quatro" 

  > > To: "'Syed Zaeem Hosain'"
  , "'Alison Craig'"

  > > , "'Fred Ridder'"
  ,

  > > 

  > >

Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Mike Wickham]

Find the file here:
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker/online_manuals.html

This link also has a lot of FrameMaker info:
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker.html

Mike Wickham

On 3/18/2013 9:39 AM, Fred Ridder wrote:
> BTW, all of this is documented in a PDF called 
> CustomizingfFrameProducts.pdf that Adobe used to distribute in the 
> Documentation directory of the FrameMaker installation. Unfortunately, 
> this document was last updated for FrameMaker 7.0, and was no longer 
> distributed with versions after 9.0.  I would hope that this file is 
> still available somewhere on the Adobe website, but I suspect that may 
> be over-optimistic.
>
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[Rick Quatro]

Klaus Daube has a bunch of good materials for later versions of FrameMaker.

http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker00.html

There is a link towards the bottom to Customising FrameMaker 11 (also valid
for FM-9 and 10). Klaus is very thorough and generous with his information.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
rick at frameexpert.com




At 10:39 -0400 18/3/13, Fred Ridder wrote:

>BTW, all of this is documented in a PDF called
CustomizingfFrameProducts.pdf that Adobe used to distribute in the
Documentation directory of the FrameMaker installation. Unfortunately, this
document was last updated for FrameMaker 7.0, and was no longer distributed
with versions after 9.0.  I would hope that this file is still available
somewhere on the Adobe website, but I suspect that may be over-optimistic.

I have a copy, but only the Mac version, which might not be the same.

Try this: 

-- 
Steve

RE: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

The sequence posted by Rick, and modified by Fred, worked for me in FrameMaker 
11 ... I decided to use the Alt key sequence that Fred outlined, because 
CTRL-arrow and shift-arrow has other cursor positioning purposes that I use in 
FrameMaker a lot.

My thanks to Rick, Fred and Richard (and others) who made this thread be the 
_most_ useful one of this year for me! :)

Z

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[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

The sequence posted by Rick, and modified by Fred, worked for me in FrameMaker 
11 ... I decided to use the Alt key sequence that Fred outlined, because 
CTRL-arrow and shift-arrow has other cursor positioning purposes that I use in 
FrameMaker a lot.

My thanks to Rick, Fred and Richard (and others) who made this thread be the 
_most_ useful one of this year for me! :)

Z

Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Matt Sullivan]

Here's the documentation link I referred to in my book:http://www.adobe.com/support/documentation/en/framemaker/It has a few dozen manuals and reference PDF's, and appears to contain files not in the other 2 links
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On Mar 18, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Mike Wickham  wrote:
  

  
  
Find the file here:
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker/online_manuals.html

This link also has a lot of FrameMaker info:
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker.html

Mike Wickham

On 3/18/2013 9:39 AM, Fred Ridder
  wrote:


  
  
BTW, all of this is documented in a PDF called
CustomizingfFrameProducts.pdf that Adobe used to distribute in
the Documentation directory of the FrameMaker installation.
Unfortunately, this document was last updated for FrameMaker
7.0, and was no longer distributed with versions after 9.0.  I
would hope that this file is still available somewhere on the
Adobe website, but I suspect that may be over-optimistic. 

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[Matt Sullivan]

Here's the documentation link I referred to in my book:
http://www.adobe.com/support/documentation/en/framemaker/

It has a few dozen manuals and reference PDF's, and appears to contain files 
not in the other 2 links

-Matt

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On Mar 18, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Mike Wickham  wrote:

> Find the file here:
> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker/online_manuals.html
> 
> This link also has a lot of FrameMaker info:
> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker.html
> 
> Mike Wickham
> 
> On 3/18/2013 9:39 AM, Fred Ridder wrote:
>> BTW, all of this is documented in a PDF called CustomizingfFrameProducts.pdf 
>> that Adobe used to distribute in the Documentation directory of the 
>> FrameMaker installation. Unfortunately, this document was last updated for 
>> FrameMaker 7.0, and was no longer distributed with versions after 9.0.  I 
>> would hope that this file is still available somewhere on the Adobe website, 
>> but I suspect that may be over-optimistic. 
>> 
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Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Mike Wickham]

Find the file here:
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker/online_manuals.html

This link also has a lot of FrameMaker info:
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker.html

Mike Wickham

On 3/18/2013 9:39 AM, Fred Ridder wrote:
BTW, all of this is documented in a PDF called 
CustomizingfFrameProducts.pdf that Adobe used to distribute in the 
Documentation directory of the FrameMaker installation. Unfortunately, 
this document was last updated for FrameMaker 7.0, and was no longer 
distributed with versions after 9.0.  I would hope that this file is 
still available somewhere on the Adobe website, but I suspect that may 
be over-optimistic.


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[Fred Ridder]

One solution to this is to define the KeySequence for navigation within a table 
to use one or more modifier keys (Shift, Ctrl, or Alt) in addition to the 
cursor keys. This change does not affect the function of the unmodified cursor 
keys in regular text. 

To specify a modifier key in a KeySequence string, just use a plus sign for 
Shift, a caret for Ctrl, or a tilde for Alt. The modifier key symbol(s) needs 
to appear at the start of the string with no space (i.e. immediately to the 
left of the slash). For example:
>
would define the keystroke combination for moving down a row in a table to be 
the Ctrl key plus the down arrow cursor key.

BTW, all of this is documented in a PDF called CustomizingfFrameProducts.pdf 
that Adobe used to distribute in the Documentation directory of the FrameMaker 
installation. Unfortunately, this document was last updated for FrameMaker 7.0, 
and was no longer distributed with versions after 9.0.  I would hope that this 
file is still available somewhere on the Adobe website, but I suspect that may 
be over-optimistic. 

-Fred Ridder

> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:02:10 -0400
> Subject: Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic 
> frame placement)
> From: ljsims.ml at gmail.com
> To: hbailey at ocztechnology.com
> CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> I created a customui.cfg file and put it in the fminit\configui folder
> and it works perfectly. The only caveat, as I noted in a different
> email, is that cursor navigation apparently no longer works in regular
> text.
> 
> Bruce Foster's ImpGraph plugin did what you wanted, but with his death
> it is, as far as I know, no longer available. Maybe someone has a copy
> they'd be willing to give you.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Heidi Bailey  
> wrote:
> > Hi Rick,
> > I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit 
> > folder, I have a configui folder (no config folder), and no customui.cfg 
> > file. Can you tell me which of the files in there is the right one:
> >
> > Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...)
> > Mathcmds.cfg
> > Sample.cfg
> > Wincmds.cfg
> >
> > Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?
> >
> >
> > Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
> > Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place a 
> > screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames left-aligned, 
> > so it is a pain to have to reset this each time.
> > I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some way of 
> > setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Heidi
> > --
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
> > From: "Rick Quatro" 
> > To: "'Syed Zaeem Hosain'" ,  "'Alison Craig'"
> > ,  "'Fred Ridder'"  > hotmail.com>,
> > 
> > Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> > Message-ID: <001701ce21ea$9f464710$ddd2d530$@com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
> > these lines:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells using
> > the arrow keys.




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[Combs, Richard]

Fred Ridder wrote:
 
> Umm, I think I indicated that in my previous message. To designate modifier
> keys in a KeySequence string:
>  - Shift key is +
>  - Ctrl key is ^
>  - Atl key is ~
> 
> AFAIK, FrameMaker does not support any use of the Windows key.

I don't know of any way to specify the Windows logo key in a KeySequence, but 
you can use "/Apps" to specify the Application key. For instance, my FM 7.2 
customui.cfg file (based on the original MicroType customization kit) contains 
the following shortcuts for table navigation: 

>
>
>
>
>
>

Note that the Application key and the key that follows are pressed in sequence 
(as indicated by the space between them). (Actually, it works if you hold the 
Application key while pressing the following key, but then you have to release 
the Application key and press it again before you can repeat the action.)

Richard G. Combs
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[Combs, Richard]

Fred Ridder wrote:

> Umm, I think I indicated that in my previous message. To designate modifier
> keys in a KeySequence string:
> ?- Shift key is +
> ?- Ctrl key is ^
> ?- Atl key is ~
> 
> AFAIK, FrameMaker does not support any use of the Windows key.

I don't know of any way to specify the Windows logo key in a KeySequence, but 
you can use "/Apps" to specify the Application key. For instance, my FM 7.2 
customui.cfg file (based on the original MicroType customization kit) contains 
the following shortcuts for table navigation: 

>
>
>
>
>
>

Note that the Application key and the key that follows are pressed in sequence 
(as indicated by the space between them). (Actually, it works if you hold the 
Application key while pressing the following key, but then you have to release 
the Application key and press it again before you can repeat the action.)

Richard G. Combs
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Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Lin Sims]

I created a customui.cfg file and put it in the fminit\configui folder
and it works perfectly. The only caveat, as I noted in a different
email, is that cursor navigation apparently no longer works in regular
text.

Bruce Foster's ImpGraph plugin did what you wanted, but with his death
it is, as far as I know, no longer available. Maybe someone has a copy
they'd be willing to give you.

On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Heidi Bailey  
wrote:
> Hi Rick,
> I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit folder, 
> I have a configui folder (no config folder), and no customui.cfg file. Can 
> you tell me which of the files in there is the right one:
>
> Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...)
> Mathcmds.cfg
> Sample.cfg
> Wincmds.cfg
>
> Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?
>
>
> Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
> Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place a 
> screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames left-aligned, so 
> it is a pain to have to reset this each time.
> I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some way of 
> setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?
>
> Thanks,
> Heidi
> --
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
> From: "Rick Quatro" 
> To: "'Syed Zaeem Hosain'" ,  "'Alison Craig'"
> ,  "'Fred Ridder'"  hotmail.com>,
> 
> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> Message-ID: <001701ce21ea$9f464710$ddd2d530$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"
>
> Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
> these lines:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells using
> the arrow keys.
>
>
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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Fred Ridder]

Umm, I think I indicated that in my previous message. To designate modifier 
keys in a KeySequence string:
 - Shift key is +
 - Ctrl key is ^
 - Atl key is ~

AFAIK, FrameMaker does not support any use of the Windows key.

Note that when defining a KeySequence that uses a modifier key (or a 
combination of modifier keys), the modifier key(s) and the key that follows are 
pressed *in combination* rather than as a sequence of separate keystrokes. 
(Most existing KeySequence definitions start with the Esc key, which is denoted 
by \!, followed by several case-sensitive letters that are pressed in sequence.)

-Fred Ridder

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:25:53 +0200
From: shmue...@gmail.com
To: docu...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame 
placement)


  

  
  
Good idea. 

  

  What are the symbols for the ALT, CTRL, SHIFT and Windows Key?

  

  Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

  

  On 18-Mar-13 4:39 PM, Fred Ridder wrote:



  
  
One solution to this is to define the KeySequence for navigation
within a table to use one or more modifier keys (Shift, Ctrl, or
Alt) in addition to the cursor keys. This change does not affect
the function of the unmodified cursor keys in regular text. 



To specify a modifier key in a KeySequence string, just use a
plus sign for Shift, a caret for Ctrl, or a tilde for Alt. The
modifier key symbol(s) needs to appear at the start of the
string with no space (i.e. immediately to the left of the
slash). For example:

>

would define the keystroke combination for moving down a row in
a table to be the Ctrl key plus the down arrow cursor key.



BTW, all of this is documented in a PDF called
CustomizingfFrameProducts.pdf that Adobe used to distribute in
the Documentation directory of the FrameMaker installation.
Unfortunately, this document was last updated for FrameMaker
7.0, and was no longer distributed with versions after 9.0.  I
would hope that this file is still available somewhere on the
Adobe website, but I suspect that may be over-optimistic. 



-Fred Ridder



> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:02:10 -0400

  > Subject: Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and
  another thing (graphic frame placement)

  > From: ljsims...@gmail.com

  > To: hbai...@ocztechnology.com

  > CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com

  > 

  > I created a customui.cfg file and put it in the
  fminit\configui folder

  > and it works perfectly. The only caveat, as I noted in a
  different

  > email, is that cursor navigation apparently no longer
  works in regular

  > text.

  > 

  > Bruce Foster's ImpGraph plugin did what you wanted, but
  with his death

  > it is, as far as I know, no longer available. Maybe
  someone has a copy

  > they'd be willing to give you.

  > 

  > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Heidi Bailey
   wrote:

  > > Hi Rick,

  > > I'd love to apply what you describe below. However,
  in my FM10 Fminit folder, I have a configui folder (no config
  folder), and no customui.cfg file. Can you tell me which of
  the files in there is the right one:

  > >

  > > Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already
  mentioned...)

  > > Mathcmds.cfg

  > > Sample.cfg

  > > Wincmds.cfg

  > >

  > > Or do I need to create a config folder and a file
  called customui.cfg?

  > >

  > >

  > > Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:

  > > Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing
  Esc fif to place a screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need
  my graphic frames left-aligned, so it is a pain to have to
  reset this each time.

  > > I hunted through the maker.ini file but found
  nothing. Is there some way of setting FM to always left-align
  new graphic frames?

  > >

  > > Thanks,

  > > Heidi

  > > --

  > >

  > > Message: 11

  > > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400

          > > From: "Rick Quatro" 

  > > To: "'Syed Zaeem Hosain'"
  , "'Alison Craig'"

  > > , "'Fred Ridder'"
 

Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Shmuel Wolfson]

  
  
Good idea. 
  
  What are the symbols for the ALT, CTRL, SHIFT and Windows Key?
  
  Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

  
  On 18-Mar-13 4:39 PM, Fred Ridder wrote:


  
  
One solution to this is to define the KeySequence for navigation
within a table to use one or more modifier keys (Shift, Ctrl, or
Alt) in addition to the cursor keys. This change does not affect
the function of the unmodified cursor keys in regular text. 

To specify a modifier key in a KeySequence string, just use a
plus sign for Shift, a caret for Ctrl, or a tilde for Alt. The
modifier key symbol(s) needs to appear at the start of the
string with no space (i.e. immediately to the left of the
slash). For example:
>
would define the keystroke combination for moving down a row in
a table to be the Ctrl key plus the down arrow cursor key.

BTW, all of this is documented in a PDF called
CustomizingfFrameProducts.pdf that Adobe used to distribute in
the Documentation directory of the FrameMaker installation.
Unfortunately, this document was last updated for FrameMaker
7.0, and was no longer distributed with versions after 9.0.  I
would hope that this file is still available somewhere on the
Adobe website, but I suspect that may be over-optimistic. 

-Fred Ridder

> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:02:10 -0400
  > Subject: Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and
  another thing (graphic frame placement)
  > From: ljsims...@gmail.com
  > To: hbai...@ocztechnology.com
  > CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
  > 
  > I created a customui.cfg file and put it in the
  fminit\configui folder
  > and it works perfectly. The only caveat, as I noted in a
  different
  > email, is that cursor navigation apparently no longer
  works in regular
  > text.
  > 
  > Bruce Foster's ImpGraph plugin did what you wanted, but
  with his death
  > it is, as far as I know, no longer available. Maybe
  someone has a copy
  > they'd be willing to give you.
  > 
  > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Heidi Bailey
   wrote:
  > > Hi Rick,
  > > I'd love to apply what you describe below. However,
  in my FM10 Fminit folder, I have a configui folder (no config
  folder), and no customui.cfg file. Can you tell me which of
  the files in there is the right one:
  > >
  > > Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already
  mentioned...)
  > > Mathcmds.cfg
  > > Sample.cfg
  > > Wincmds.cfg
  > >
  > > Or do I need to create a config folder and a file
  called customui.cfg?
  > >
  > >
  > > Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
  > > Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing
  Esc fif to place a screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need
  my graphic frames left-aligned, so it is a pain to have to
  reset this each time.
  > > I hunted through the maker.ini file but found
  nothing. Is there some way of setting FM to always left-align
  new graphic frames?
  > >
  > > Thanks,
  > > Heidi
  > > --
  > >
  > > Message: 11
  > > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
      > > From: "Rick Quatro" 
  > > To: "'Syed Zaeem Hosain'"
  , "'Alison Craig'"
  > > , "'Fred Ridder'"
  ,
  > > 
  > > Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
  > > Message-ID:
  <001701ce21ea$9f464710$ddd2d530$@com>
  > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
  > >
  > > Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file
  in a text editor and add
  > > these lines:
  > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > >
  > > Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able
  to navigate cells using
  > > the arrow keys.
  
  
  

  
  
  
  
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Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Mike Wickham]

I'm sure the folder name was just a typo on Rick's part. The folder is 
configui. Create a text file called customui.cfg to hold the commands.

The other files you mentioned can be edited, too, but it's best to put 
all your customizations in the customui.cfg file. FrameMaker reads it 
last, and overwrites definitions loaded from the other files. So if an 
entry doesn't work out, you can delete it and FrameMaker will return to 
default behavior without having to reenter the original values. It's 
much easier to test and make changes that way, and easier to move your 
customizations to future FM versions.

Mike Wickham

On 3/18/2013 8:40 AM, Heidi Bailey wrote:
> Hi Rick,
> I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit folder, 
> I have a configui folder (no config folder), and no customui.cfg file. Can 
> you tell me which of the files in there is the right one:
>
> Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...)
> Mathcmds.cfg
> Sample.cfg
> Wincmds.cfg
>
> Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?
>
>

RE: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Rick Quatro]

Klaus Daube has a bunch of good materials for later versions of FrameMaker.

http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker00.html

There is a link towards the bottom to Customising FrameMaker 11 (also valid
for FM-9 and 10). Klaus is very thorough and generous with his information.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
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At 10:39 -0400 18/3/13, Fred Ridder wrote:

>BTW, all of this is documented in a PDF called
CustomizingfFrameProducts.pdf that Adobe used to distribute in the
Documentation directory of the FrameMaker installation. Unfortunately, this
document was last updated for FrameMaker 7.0, and was no longer distributed
with versions after 9.0.  I would hope that this file is still available
somewhere on the Adobe website, but I suspect that may be over-optimistic.

I have a copy, but only the Mac version, which might not be the same.

Try this: 

-- 
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Cursor key navigation in tables

[Lin Sims]

The caveat here (as I just discovered) is that using those four Modify
lines apparently turns cursor key navigation in the regular text OFF.

On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Heiko Haida  wrote:
> Hi Rick,
>
> I checked with my FM 8 and FM 9 installations - table navigation was "OFF".
>
> Your suggestion is to add:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> In FM 8, I had a modification installed (Shlomo Perets' toolbar). I added
> these 4 lines to the existing "custumui.cfg" => table navigation via key
> arrows is now ON!
>
> In FM 9 there was no "customui.cfg", so I created this file with these 4
> lines as the only content => table navigation is now ON!
>
> So everything's fine and working in these older FM-versions. Thank you!
>
> Best regards -
>
> Tino H. Haida, Berlin
>
>
>
> Hi Fred,
>
>
>
> I specifically tested the four I modified with FrameMaker 10 and they
> worked. I don't have 9 anymore so I can't test it with 9. Send me the modify
> sequences you tried and I will test them. It could be a problem specific to
> 9, but maybe the syntax isn't exactly right. Thanks.
>
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 12:11 AM
> To: rick at rickquatro.com; syed.hosain at aeris.net; alison.craig at 
> ultrasonix.com;
> framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
>
>
>
> Thanks Rick and Syed.
>
> In my poking around earlier today, I did find these commands in cmds.cfg and
> tried to reassign the MoveIPToCellAbove and ...CellBelow commands to more
> convenient shortcut keys. But whether I left them alone, changed the
>  definition, or added a  command, those two MoveIP
> commands refuse to do anything. ...CellAtLeft and ...CellAtRight both work,
> as do MoveIPUpAndSelectText and MoveIPDownAndSelectText, but not the two
> commands I specifically want to use. I suppose I'll just have to use the
> move and select commands, because at least it's better than having to reach
> for the mouse every damn time.
>
> What's frustrating is that I *know* these commands worked in FM5.5.6, 6.0,
> 7.x and 8.0. Chalk up one mlore feature that got broken and never fixed when
> Adobe saw fit to impose their stupid and inconvenient (and buggy...) UI on
> us with version 9.0. Sigh...
>
> I suppose I *should* report this bug to Adobe, but every time I have done it
> in the past has been an exercise in ultimate frustration. Every time it has
> taken me between one and two hours to accomplish something that should have
> taken 10-15 minutes. And ever since software development and maintenance was
> moved to Bangalore, the only response I have ever gotten to a reported bug
> was that "we fixed the software to make it work the way it was supposed to
> work". Never mind that the new behavior was illogical and inconsistent with
> how other similar features worked, the mere fact that FrameMaker now behaved
> differently meant that a whole flock of my carefully designed procedures and
> processes no longer worked. I might have chalked it up to job security, but
> my employer (by acquisition...) chose to shut down their operation here in
> New Jersey. But that's a story for another day...
>
> Thanks for your efforts, guys.
>
> Fred Ridder
>
>> From: rick at rickquatro.com
>> To: Syed.Hosain at aeris.net; Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com;
>> docudoc at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
>> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
>>
>> Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and
>> add
>> these lines:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:39 -0400 18/3/13, Fred Ridder wrote:

>BTW, all of this is documented in a PDF called CustomizingfFrameProducts.pdf 
>that Adobe used to distribute in the Documentation directory of the FrameMaker 
>installation. Unfortunately, this document was last updated for FrameMaker 
>7.0, and was no longer distributed with versions after 9.0.  I would hope that 
>this file is still available somewhere on the Adobe website, but I suspect 
>that may be over-optimistic.

I have a copy, but only the Mac version, which might not be the same.

Try this: 

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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi Heidi,

Do you just import the file into an anchored frame?

You can also use a dedicated table with a single cell and without
borders. The width should be that of your text column. Use a
special paragraph format, e.g. figure in this table cell to hold the
anchored frame. Press ESC m p to shrinkwrap the anchored frame to
the size of the graphic. Then the anchored frame will be set to "At
Insertion Point". If you set the alignment of your figure paragraph
format to Left, all your anchored frames will be left aligned.
Additionally a table has a table title which you can use as figure title.
Very convenient to control.

Best regards

Winfried

> Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
> Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place a
> screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames left-aligned, so
> it is a pain to have to reset this each time.
> I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some way of
> setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?
>
> Thanks,
> Heidi



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[Heidi Bailey]

Thanks, I'll try this!
Cheers,
Heidi


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From: Fred Ridder [docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 18 March 2013 14:39
To: ljsims...@gmail.com; Heidi Bailey
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame 
placement)

One solution to this is to define the KeySequence for navigation within a table 
to use one or more modifier keys (Shift, Ctrl, or Alt) in addition to the 
cursor keys. This change does not affect the function of the unmodified cursor 
keys in regular text.

To specify a modifier key in a KeySequence string, just use a plus sign for 
Shift, a caret for Ctrl, or a tilde for Alt. The modifier key symbol(s) needs 
to appear at the start of the string with no space (i.e. immediately to the 
left of the slash). For example:
>
would define the keystroke combination for moving down a row in a table to be 
the Ctrl key plus the down arrow cursor key.

BTW, all of this is documented in a PDF called CustomizingfFrameProducts.pdf 
that Adobe used to distribute in the Documentation directory of the FrameMaker 
installation. Unfortunately, this document was last updated for FrameMaker 7.0, 
and was no longer distributed with versions after 9.0.  I would hope that this 
file is still available somewhere on the Adobe website, but I suspect that may 
be over-optimistic.

-Fred Ridder

> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:02:10 -0400
> Subject: Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic 
> frame placement)
> From: ljsims...@gmail.com
> To: hbai...@ocztechnology.com
> CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>
> I created a customui.cfg file and put it in the fminit\configui folder
> and it works perfectly. The only caveat, as I noted in a different
> email, is that cursor navigation apparently no longer works in regular
> text.
>
> Bruce Foster's ImpGraph plugin did what you wanted, but with his death
> it is, as far as I know, no longer available. Maybe someone has a copy
> they'd be willing to give you.
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Heidi Bailey  
> wrote:
> > Hi Rick,
> > I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit 
> > folder, I have a configui folder (no config folder), and no customui.cfg 
> > file. Can you tell me which of the files in there is the right one:
> >
> > Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...)
> > Mathcmds.cfg
> > Sample.cfg
> > Wincmds.cfg
> >
> > Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?
> >
> >
> > Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
> > Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place a 
> > screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames left-aligned, 
> > so it is a pain to have to reset this each time.
> > I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some way of 
> > setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Heidi
> > ----------
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
> > From: "Rick Quatro" 
> > To: "'Syed Zaeem Hosain'" , "'Alison Craig'"
> > , "'Fred Ridder'" ,
> > 
> > Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> > Message-ID: <001701ce21ea$9f464710$ddd2d530$@com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
> > these lines:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells using
> > the arrow keys.





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Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Heidi Bailey]

Thanks, I'll try this!
Cheers,
Heidi


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From: Fred Ridder [docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 18 March 2013 14:39
To: ljsims.ml at gmail.com; Heidi Bailey
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame 
placement)

One solution to this is to define the KeySequence for navigation within a table 
to use one or more modifier keys (Shift, Ctrl, or Alt) in addition to the 
cursor keys. This change does not affect the function of the unmodified cursor 
keys in regular text.

To specify a modifier key in a KeySequence string, just use a plus sign for 
Shift, a caret for Ctrl, or a tilde for Alt. The modifier key symbol(s) needs 
to appear at the start of the string with no space (i.e. immediately to the 
left of the slash). For example:
>
would define the keystroke combination for moving down a row in a table to be 
the Ctrl key plus the down arrow cursor key.

BTW, all of this is documented in a PDF called CustomizingfFrameProducts.pdf 
that Adobe used to distribute in the Documentation directory of the FrameMaker 
installation. Unfortunately, this document was last updated for FrameMaker 7.0, 
and was no longer distributed with versions after 9.0.  I would hope that this 
file is still available somewhere on the Adobe website, but I suspect that may 
be over-optimistic.

-Fred Ridder

> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:02:10 -0400
> Subject: Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic 
> frame placement)
> From: ljsims.ml at gmail.com
> To: hbailey at ocztechnology.com
> CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>
> I created a customui.cfg file and put it in the fminit\configui folder
> and it works perfectly. The only caveat, as I noted in a different
> email, is that cursor navigation apparently no longer works in regular
> text.
>
> Bruce Foster's ImpGraph plugin did what you wanted, but with his death
> it is, as far as I know, no longer available. Maybe someone has a copy
> they'd be willing to give you.
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Heidi Bailey  
> wrote:
> > Hi Rick,
> > I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit 
> > folder, I have a configui folder (no config folder), and no customui.cfg 
> > file. Can you tell me which of the files in there is the right one:
> >
> > Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...)
> > Mathcmds.cfg
> > Sample.cfg
> > Wincmds.cfg
> >
> > Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?
> >
> >
> > Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
> > Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place a 
> > screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames left-aligned, 
> > so it is a pain to have to reset this each time.
> > I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some way of 
> > setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Heidi
> > ----------
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
> > From: "Rick Quatro" 
> > To: "'Syed Zaeem Hosain'" , "'Alison Craig'"
> > , "'Fred Ridder'" ,
> > 
> > Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> > Message-ID: <001701ce21ea$9f464710$ddd2d530$@com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
> > these lines:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells using
> > the arrow keys.





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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Fred Ridder]

One solution to this is to define the KeySequence for navigation within a table 
to use one or more modifier keys (Shift, Ctrl, or Alt) in addition to the 
cursor keys. This change does not affect the function of the unmodified cursor 
keys in regular text. 

To specify a modifier key in a KeySequence string, just use a plus sign for 
Shift, a caret for Ctrl, or a tilde for Alt. The modifier key symbol(s) needs 
to appear at the start of the string with no space (i.e. immediately to the 
left of the slash). For example:
>
would define the keystroke combination for moving down a row in a table to be 
the Ctrl key plus the down arrow cursor key.

BTW, all of this is documented in a PDF called CustomizingfFrameProducts.pdf 
that Adobe used to distribute in the Documentation directory of the FrameMaker 
installation. Unfortunately, this document was last updated for FrameMaker 7.0, 
and was no longer distributed with versions after 9.0.  I would hope that this 
file is still available somewhere on the Adobe website, but I suspect that may 
be over-optimistic. 

-Fred Ridder

> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:02:10 -0400
> Subject: Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic 
> frame placement)
> From: ljsims...@gmail.com
> To: hbai...@ocztechnology.com
> CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> 
> I created a customui.cfg file and put it in the fminit\configui folder
> and it works perfectly. The only caveat, as I noted in a different
> email, is that cursor navigation apparently no longer works in regular
> text.
> 
> Bruce Foster's ImpGraph plugin did what you wanted, but with his death
> it is, as far as I know, no longer available. Maybe someone has a copy
> they'd be willing to give you.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Heidi Bailey  
> wrote:
> > Hi Rick,
> > I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit 
> > folder, I have a configui folder (no config folder), and no customui.cfg 
> > file. Can you tell me which of the files in there is the right one:
> >
> > Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...)
> > Mathcmds.cfg
> > Sample.cfg
> > Wincmds.cfg
> >
> > Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?
> >
> >
> > Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
> > Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place a 
> > screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames left-aligned, 
> > so it is a pain to have to reset this each time.
> > I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some way of 
> > setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Heidi
> > --
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
> > From: "Rick Quatro" 
> > To: "'Syed Zaeem Hosain'" ,  "'Alison Craig'"
> > ,  "'Fred Ridder'" 
> > ,
> > 
> > Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> > Message-ID: <001701ce21ea$9f464710$ddd2d530$@com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
> > these lines:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells using
> > the arrow keys.



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RE: [JUNK] Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Heidi Bailey]

Oh, odd. I missed that - not helpful!
Thanks,
Heidi

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From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 March 2013 14:02
To: Heidi Bailey
Cc: r...@rickquatro.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [JUNK] Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing 
(graphic frame placement)
Importance: Low

I created a customui.cfg file and put it in the fminit\configui folder and it 
works perfectly. The only caveat, as I noted in a different email, is that 
cursor navigation apparently no longer works in regular text.

Bruce Foster's ImpGraph plugin did what you wanted, but with his death it is, 
as far as I know, no longer available. Maybe someone has a copy they'd be 
willing to give you.

On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Heidi Bailey  wrote:
> Hi Rick,
> I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit folder, 
> I have a configui folder (no config folder), and no customui.cfg file. Can 
> you tell me which of the files in there is the right one:
>
> Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...) Mathcmds.cfg
> Sample.cfg Wincmds.cfg
>
> Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?
>
>
> Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
> Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place a 
> screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames left-aligned, so 
> it is a pain to have to reset this each time.
> I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some way of 
> setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?
>
> Thanks,
> Heidi
> --
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
> From: "Rick Quatro" 
> To: "'Syed Zaeem Hosain'" ,  "'Alison Craig'"
> ,  "'Fred Ridder'" ,
> 
> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> Message-ID: <001701ce21ea$9f464710$ddd2d530$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"
>
> Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor
> and add these lines:
>
> >  MoveIPToCellAtLeft >  > >
>
> Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells
> using the arrow keys.
>
>
>
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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Heidi Bailey]

Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: Harro de Jong [mailto:harro.dej...@triviewgroup.com]
Sent: 18 March 2013 13:50
To: Heidi Bailey
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame 
placement)

Heidi Bailey wrote:


> I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit
> folder, I have a configui folder (no config folder), and no
> customui.cfg file. Can you tell me which of the files in there is the right 
> one:
>
> Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...) Mathcmds.cfg
> Sample.cfg Wincmds.cfg
>
> Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?

configui is the correct folder name. If customui.cfg doesn't exist, you can 
create it in this folder.


> Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
> Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place
> a screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames
> left-aligned, so it is a pain to have to reset this each time.
> I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some
> way of setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?

No. I used to use QuicKeys to change this for all frames in a book, but sadly 
that isn't officially supported under Windows 7 anymore. Some people have got 
it to work though.

Harro de Jong
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[JUNK] Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Heidi Bailey]

Oh, odd. I missed that - not helpful!
Thanks,
Heidi

-Original Message-
From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 March 2013 14:02
To: Heidi Bailey
Cc: rick at rickquatro.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [JUNK] Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing 
(graphic frame placement)
Importance: Low

I created a customui.cfg file and put it in the fminit\configui folder and it 
works perfectly. The only caveat, as I noted in a different email, is that 
cursor navigation apparently no longer works in regular text.

Bruce Foster's ImpGraph plugin did what you wanted, but with his death it is, 
as far as I know, no longer available. Maybe someone has a copy they'd be 
willing to give you.

On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Heidi Bailey  
wrote:
> Hi Rick,
> I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit folder, 
> I have a configui folder (no config folder), and no customui.cfg file. Can 
> you tell me which of the files in there is the right one:
>
> Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...) Mathcmds.cfg
> Sample.cfg Wincmds.cfg
>
> Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?
>
>
> Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
> Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place a 
> screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames left-aligned, so 
> it is a pain to have to reset this each time.
> I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some way of 
> setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?
>
> Thanks,
> Heidi
> --
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
> From: "Rick Quatro" 
> To: "'Syed Zaeem Hosain'" ,  "'Alison Craig'"
> ,  "'Fred Ridder'"  hotmail.com>,
> 
> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> Message-ID: <001701ce21ea$9f464710$ddd2d530$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"
>
> Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor
> and add these lines:
>
> >  MoveIPToCellAtLeft >  > >
>
> Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells
> using the arrow keys.
>
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Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Heidi Bailey]

Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: Harro de Jong [mailto:harro.dej...@triviewgroup.com]
Sent: 18 March 2013 13:50
To: Heidi Bailey
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame 
placement)

Heidi Bailey wrote:


> I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit
> folder, I have a configui folder (no config folder), and no
> customui.cfg file. Can you tell me which of the files in there is the right 
> one:
>
> Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...) Mathcmds.cfg
> Sample.cfg Wincmds.cfg
>
> Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?

configui is the correct folder name. If customui.cfg doesn't exist, you can 
create it in this folder.


> Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
> Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place
> a screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames
> left-aligned, so it is a pain to have to reset this each time.
> I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some
> way of setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?

No. I used to use QuicKeys to change this for all frames in a book, but sadly 
that isn't officially supported under Windows 7 anymore. Some people have got 
it to work though.

Harro de Jong
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Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Mike Wickham]

I'm sure the folder name was just a typo on Rick's part. The folder is 
configui. Create a text file called customui.cfg to hold the commands.


The other files you mentioned can be edited, too, but it's best to put 
all your customizations in the customui.cfg file. FrameMaker reads it 
last, and overwrites definitions loaded from the other files. So if an 
entry doesn't work out, you can delete it and FrameMaker will return to 
default behavior without having to reenter the original values. It's 
much easier to test and make changes that way, and easier to move your 
customizations to future FM versions.


Mike Wickham

On 3/18/2013 8:40 AM, Heidi Bailey wrote:

Hi Rick,
I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit folder, I 
have a configui folder (no config folder), and no customui.cfg file. Can you 
tell me which of the files in there is the right one:

Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...)
Mathcmds.cfg
Sample.cfg
Wincmds.cfg

Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?





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Re: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Lin Sims]

I created a customui.cfg file and put it in the fminit\configui folder
and it works perfectly. The only caveat, as I noted in a different
email, is that cursor navigation apparently no longer works in regular
text.

Bruce Foster's ImpGraph plugin did what you wanted, but with his death
it is, as far as I know, no longer available. Maybe someone has a copy
they'd be willing to give you.

On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Heidi Bailey  wrote:
> Hi Rick,
> I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit folder, 
> I have a configui folder (no config folder), and no customui.cfg file. Can 
> you tell me which of the files in there is the right one:
>
> Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...)
> Mathcmds.cfg
> Sample.cfg
> Wincmds.cfg
>
> Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?
>
>
> Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
> Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place a 
> screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames left-aligned, so 
> it is a pain to have to reset this each time.
> I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some way of 
> setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?
>
> Thanks,
> Heidi
> --
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
> From: "Rick Quatro" 
> To: "'Syed Zaeem Hosain'" ,  "'Alison Craig'"
> ,  "'Fred Ridder'" ,
> 
> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> Message-ID: <001701ce21ea$9f464710$ddd2d530$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"
>
> Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
> these lines:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells using
> the arrow keys.
>
>
>
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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi Rick,
I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit folder, I 
have a configui folder (no config folder), and no customui.cfg file. Can you 
tell me which of the files in there is the right one:

Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...)
Mathcmds.cfg
Sample.cfg
Wincmds.cfg

Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?


Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place a 
screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames left-aligned, so it 
is a pain to have to reset this each time.
I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some way of 
setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?

Thanks,
Heidi
--

Message: 11
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
From: "Rick Quatro" 
To: "'Syed Zaeem Hosain'" ,  "'Alison Craig'"
    ,  "'Fred Ridder'" ,

Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
Message-ID: <001701ce21ea$9f464710$ddd2d530$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
these lines:

>
>
>
>

Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells using
the arrow keys.



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Cursor key navigation in tables - and another thing (graphic frame placement)

[Heidi Bailey]

Hi Rick,
I'd love to apply what you describe below. However, in my FM10 Fminit folder, I 
have a configui folder (no config folder), and no customui.cfg file. Can you 
tell me which of the files in there is the right one:

Cmds.cfg (which I see someone has already mentioned...)
Mathcmds.cfg
Sample.cfg
Wincmds.cfg

Or do I need to create a config folder and a file called customui.cfg?


Oh, and while I'm emailing the list:
Whenever I put a new graphic frame in (eg when doing Esc fif to place a 
screenshot), FM centers the frame. I need my graphic frames left-aligned, so it 
is a pain to have to reset this each time.
I hunted through the maker.ini file but found nothing. Is there some way of 
setting FM to always left-align new graphic frames?

Thanks,
Heidi
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
From: "Rick Quatro" 
To: "'Syed Zaeem Hosain'" ,  "'Alison Craig'"
    ,  "'Fred Ridder'" ,

Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
Message-ID: <001701ce21ea$9f464710$ddd2d530$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
these lines:

>
>
>
>

Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells using
the arrow keys.



Technical Author
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Milton Park
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Re: Cursor key navigation in tables

[Lin Sims]

The caveat here (as I just discovered) is that using those four Modify
lines apparently turns cursor key navigation in the regular text OFF.

On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Heiko Haida  wrote:
> Hi Rick,
>
> I checked with my FM 8 and FM 9 installations - table navigation was "OFF".
>
> Your suggestion is to add:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> In FM 8, I had a modification installed (Shlomo Perets' toolbar). I added
> these 4 lines to the existing "custumui.cfg" => table navigation via key
> arrows is now ON!
>
> In FM 9 there was no "customui.cfg", so I created this file with these 4
> lines as the only content => table navigation is now ON!
>
> So everything's fine and working in these older FM-versions. Thank you!
>
> Best regards -
>
> Tino H. Haida, Berlin
>
>
>
> Hi Fred,
>
>
>
> I specifically tested the four I modified with FrameMaker 10 and they
> worked. I don't have 9 anymore so I can't test it with 9. Send me the modify
> sequences you tried and I will test them. It could be a problem specific to
> 9, but maybe the syntax isn't exactly right. Thanks.
>
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 12:11 AM
> To: r...@rickquatro.com; syed.hos...@aeris.net; alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com;
> framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
>
>
>
> Thanks Rick and Syed.
>
> In my poking around earlier today, I did find these commands in cmds.cfg and
> tried to reassign the MoveIPToCellAbove and ...CellBelow commands to more
> convenient shortcut keys. But whether I left them alone, changed the
>  definition, or added a  command, those two MoveIP
> commands refuse to do anything. ...CellAtLeft and ...CellAtRight both work,
> as do MoveIPUpAndSelectText and MoveIPDownAndSelectText, but not the two
> commands I specifically want to use. I suppose I'll just have to use the
> move and select commands, because at least it's better than having to reach
> for the mouse every damn time.
>
> What's frustrating is that I *know* these commands worked in FM5.5.6, 6.0,
> 7.x and 8.0. Chalk up one mlore feature that got broken and never fixed when
> Adobe saw fit to impose their stupid and inconvenient (and buggy...) UI on
> us with version 9.0. Sigh...
>
> I suppose I *should* report this bug to Adobe, but every time I have done it
> in the past has been an exercise in ultimate frustration. Every time it has
> taken me between one and two hours to accomplish something that should have
> taken 10-15 minutes. And ever since software development and maintenance was
> moved to Bangalore, the only response I have ever gotten to a reported bug
> was that "we fixed the software to make it work the way it was supposed to
> work". Never mind that the new behavior was illogical and inconsistent with
> how other similar features worked, the mere fact that FrameMaker now behaved
> differently meant that a whole flock of my carefully designed procedures and
> processes no longer worked. I might have chalked it up to job security, but
> my employer (by acquisition...) chose to shut down their operation here in
> New Jersey. But that's a story for another day...
>
> Thanks for your efforts, guys.
>
> Fred Ridder
>
>> From: r...@rickquatro.com
>> To: syed.hos...@aeris.net; alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com;
>> docu...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
>> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
>>
>> Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and
>> add
>> these lines:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
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Cursor key navigation in tables

[Klaus Daube]

On 15 Mar 2013 at 14:30, Fred Ridder wrote:

> One of the things that is driving me completely nuts is the absence of cursor 
> key navigation inside tables. 

Fred, have a look at 
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/i-frame-modules/base-pack.html
"Table Navigation".

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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Rick, 

I checked with my FM 8 and FM 9 installations - table
navigation was "OFF". 

Your suggestion is to add: 

>
>
>
> 

In FM 8, I had a
modification installed (Shlomo Perets' toolbar). I added these 4 lines
to the existing "custumui.cfg" => table navigation via key arrows is now
ON! 

In FM 9 there was no "customui.cfg", so I created this file with
these 4 lines as the only content => table navigation is now ON! 

So
everything's fine and working in these older FM-versions. Thank you!


Best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

> Hi Fred, 
> 
> I
specifically tested the four I modified with FrameMaker 10 and they
worked. I don't have 9 anymore so I can't test it with 9. Send me the
modify sequences you tried and I will test them. It could be a problem
specific to 9, but maybe the syntax isn't exactly right. Thanks. 
> 
>
Rick 
> 
> FROM: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
> SENT:
Saturday, March 16, 2013 12:11 AM
> TO: r...@rickquatro.com;
syed.hos...@aeris.net; alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com;
framers@lists.frameusers.com
> SUBJECT: RE: Cursor key navigation in
tables 
> 
> Thanks Rick and Syed.
> 
> In my poking around earlier
today, I did find these commands in cmds.cfg and tried to reassign the
MoveIPToCellAbove and ...CellBelow commands to more convenient shortcut
keys. But whether I left them alone, changed the 
definition, or added a  command, those two MoveIP commands
refuse to do anything. ...CellAtLeft and ...CellAtRight both work, as do
MoveIPUpAndSelectText and MoveIPDownAndSelectText, but not the two
commands I specifically want to use. I suppose I'll just have to use the
move and select commands, because at least it's better than having to
reach for the mouse every damn time.
> 
> What's frustrating is that I
*know* these commands worked in FM5.5.6, 6.0, 7.x and 8.0. Chalk up one
mlore feature that got broken and never fixed when Adobe saw fit to
impose their stupid and inconvenient (and buggy...) UI on us with
version 9.0. Sigh...
> 
> I suppose I *should* report this bug to Adobe,
but every time I have done it in the past has been an exercise in
ultimate frustration. Every time it has taken me between one and two
hours to accomplish something that should have taken 10-15 minutes. And
ever since software development and maintenance was moved to Bangalore,
the only response I have ever gotten to a reported bug was that "we
fixed the software to make it work the way it was supposed to work".
Never mind that the new behavior was illogical and inconsistent with how
other similar features worked, the mere fact that FrameMaker now behaved
differently meant that a whole flock of my carefully designed procedures
and processes no longer worked. I might have chalked it up to job
security, but my employer (by acquisition...) chose to shut down their
operation here in New Jersey. But that's a story for another day...
> 
>
Thanks for your efforts, guys.
> 
> Fred Ridder 
> 
>> From:
r...@rickquatro.com
>> To: syed.hos...@aeris.net;
alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com; docu...@hotmail.com;
framers@lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in
tables
>> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
>> 
>> Open the
FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
>>
these lines:
>> 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Cursor key navigation in tables

[Heiko Haida]

Hi Rick, 

I checked with my FM 8 and FM 9 installations - table
navigation was "OFF". 

Your suggestion is to add: 

>
>
>
> 

In FM 8, I had a
modification installed (Shlomo Perets' toolbar). I added these 4 lines
to the existing "custumui.cfg" => table navigation via key arrows is now
ON! 

In FM 9 there was no "customui.cfg", so I created this file with
these 4 lines as the only content => table navigation is now ON! 

So
everything's fine and working in these older FM-versions. Thank you!


Best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

> Hi Fred, 
> 
> I
specifically tested the four I modified with FrameMaker 10 and they
worked. I don't have 9 anymore so I can't test it with 9. Send me the
modify sequences you tried and I will test them. It could be a problem
specific to 9, but maybe the syntax isn't exactly right. Thanks. 
> 
>
Rick 
> 
> FROM: Fred Ridder [mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com] 
> SENT:
Saturday, March 16, 2013 12:11 AM
> TO: rick at rickquatro.com;
syed.hosain at aeris.net; alison.craig at ultrasonix.com;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
> SUBJECT: RE: Cursor key navigation in
tables 
> 
> Thanks Rick and Syed.
> 
> In my poking around earlier
today, I did find these commands in cmds.cfg and tried to reassign the
MoveIPToCellAbove and ...CellBelow commands to more convenient shortcut
keys. But whether I left them alone, changed the 
definition, or added a  command, those two MoveIP commands
refuse to do anything. ...CellAtLeft and ...CellAtRight both work, as do
MoveIPUpAndSelectText and MoveIPDownAndSelectText, but not the two
commands I specifically want to use. I suppose I'll just have to use the
move and select commands, because at least it's better than having to
reach for the mouse every damn time.
> 
> What's frustrating is that I
*know* these commands worked in FM5.5.6, 6.0, 7.x and 8.0. Chalk up one
mlore feature that got broken and never fixed when Adobe saw fit to
impose their stupid and inconvenient (and buggy...) UI on us with
version 9.0. Sigh...
> 
> I suppose I *should* report this bug to Adobe,
but every time I have done it in the past has been an exercise in
ultimate frustration. Every time it has taken me between one and two
hours to accomplish something that should have taken 10-15 minutes. And
ever since software development and maintenance was moved to Bangalore,
the only response I have ever gotten to a reported bug was that "we
fixed the software to make it work the way it was supposed to work".
Never mind that the new behavior was illogical and inconsistent with how
other similar features worked, the mere fact that FrameMaker now behaved
differently meant that a whole flock of my carefully designed procedures
and processes no longer worked. I might have chalked it up to job
security, but my employer (by acquisition...) chose to shut down their
operation here in New Jersey. But that's a story for another day...
> 
>
Thanks for your efforts, guys.
> 
> Fred Ridder 
> 
>> From:
rick at rickquatro.com
>> To: Syed.Hosain at aeris.net;
Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com; docudoc at hotmail.com;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in
tables
>> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
>> 
>> Open the
FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
>>
these lines:
>> 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >

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Re: Cursor key navigation in tables

[Klaus Daube]

On 15 Mar 2013 at 14:30, Fred Ridder wrote:

> One of the things that is driving me completely nuts is the absence of cursor 
> key navigation inside tables. 

Fred, have a look at 
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/i-frame-modules/base-pack.html
"Table Navigation".

Klaus Daube
~~
Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich
Technical documentation & consultancy; On-line and paper
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Cursor key navigation in tables

[Fred Ridder]

Thanks, Rick, but using all the default configuration files, the *default* key 
sequences (Cmd,t,m,u and Cmd,t,m,d) don't work, eitherIf the underlying command 
isn't working with the default key sequence, I think the issue of the syntax of 
my modification sequences is moot.

Fred

From: r...@rickquatro.com
To: docudoc at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 07:33:19 -0400

Hi Fred, I specifically tested the four I modified with FrameMaker 10 and they 
worked. I don't have 9 anymore so I can't test it with 9. Send me the modify 
sequences you tried and I will test them. It could be a problem specific to 9, 
but maybe the syntax isn't exactly right. Thanks. Rick From: Fred Ridder 
[mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 12:11 AM
To: rick at rickquatro.com; syed.hosain at aeris.net; alison.craig at 
ultrasonix.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables Thanks Rick and Syed.

In my poking around earlier today, I did find these commands in cmds.cfg and 
tried to reassign the MoveIPToCellAbove and ...CellBelow commands to more 
convenient shortcut keys. But whether I left them alone, changed the 
 definition, or added a  command, those two MoveIP 
commands refuse to do anything. ...CellAtLeft and ...CellAtRight both work, as 
do MoveIPUpAndSelectText and MoveIPDownAndSelectText, but not the two commands 
I specifically want to use. I suppose I'll just have to use the move and select 
commands, because at least it's better than having to reach for the mouse every 
damn time.

What's frustrating is that I *know* these commands worked in FM5.5.6, 6.0, 7.x 
and 8.0. Chalk up one mlore feature that got broken and never fixed when Adobe 
saw fit to impose their stupid and inconvenient (and buggy...) UI on us with 
version 9.0. Sigh...

I suppose I *should* report this bug to Adobe, but every time I have done it in 
the past has been an exercise in ultimate frustration. Every time it has taken 
me between one and two hours to accomplish something that should have taken 
10-15 minutes. And ever since software development and maintenance was moved to 
Bangalore, the only response I have ever gotten to a reported bug was that "we 
fixed the software to make it work the way it was supposed to work". Never mind 
that the new behavior was illogical and inconsistent with how other similar 
features worked, the mere fact that FrameMaker now behaved differently meant 
that a whole flock of my carefully designed procedures and processes no longer 
worked. I might have chalked it up to job security, but my employer (by 
acquisition...) chose to shut down their operation here in New Jersey. But 
that's a story for another day...

Thanks for your efforts, guys.

Fred Ridder > From: rick at rickquatro.com
> To: Syed.Hosain at aeris.net; Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com; docudoc at 
> hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
> 
> Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
> these lines:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells using
> the arrow keys. If you want the target cell selected when you move to it,
> you may have to substitute one of the other table commands. Here is a list
> of them:
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> 
> >
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 585-283-5045
> rick at frameexpert.com
> 
> 
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem 
> Hosain
> (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 7:26 PM
> To: Alison Craig; Fred Ridder; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> 
> The sequence "tmda" will move the Insertion Point down one cell and
> highlight the text in it.
> 
> The sequence "tmd" (i.e., without the 'a') is support to just move
> the Insertion Point down one cell. But it does not seem to work ... :(
> 
> And, of course, "tmua" goes up one cell. Again, for some reason
> unknown to me, "tmu" does not work ...
> 
> What I have not been able to figure out is how to tie the arrow keys to this
> sequence of keystroke when in cells. None of the above sequences are short
> enough ... the arrow keys are the way to do it.
> 
> FWIW, this is also one of _my_ pet peeves with FrameMaker . and it is one
> thing that Word gets right, annoyingly.
> 
> Z
> 
> 
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Cursor key navigation in tables

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Fred,



I specifically tested the four I modified with FrameMaker 10 and they
worked. I don't have 9 anymore so I can't test it with 9. Send me the modify
sequences you tried and I will test them. It could be a problem specific to
9, but maybe the syntax isn't exactly right. Thanks.



Rick



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 12:11 AM
To: rick at rickquatro.com; syed.hosain at aeris.net; alison.craig at 
ultrasonix.com;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables



Thanks Rick and Syed.

In my poking around earlier today, I did find these commands in cmds.cfg and
tried to reassign the MoveIPToCellAbove and ...CellBelow commands to more
convenient shortcut keys. But whether I left them alone, changed the
 definition, or added a  command, those two MoveIP
commands refuse to do anything. ...CellAtLeft and ...CellAtRight both work,
as do MoveIPUpAndSelectText and MoveIPDownAndSelectText, but not the two
commands I specifically want to use. I suppose I'll just have to use the
move and select commands, because at least it's better than having to reach
for the mouse every damn time.

What's frustrating is that I *know* these commands worked in FM5.5.6, 6.0,
7.x and 8.0. Chalk up one mlore feature that got broken and never fixed when
Adobe saw fit to impose their stupid and inconvenient (and buggy...) UI on
us with version 9.0. Sigh...

I suppose I *should* report this bug to Adobe, but every time I have done it
in the past has been an exercise in ultimate frustration. Every time it has
taken me between one and two hours to accomplish something that should have
taken 10-15 minutes. And ever since software development and maintenance was
moved to Bangalore, the only response I have ever gotten to a reported bug
was that "we fixed the software to make it work the way it was supposed to
work". Never mind that the new behavior was illogical and inconsistent with
how other similar features worked, the mere fact that FrameMaker now behaved
differently meant that a whole flock of my carefully designed procedures and
processes no longer worked. I might have chalked it up to job security, but
my employer (by acquisition...) chose to shut down their operation here in
New Jersey. But that's a story for another day...

Thanks for your efforts, guys.

Fred Ridder 

> From: rick at rickquatro.com
> To: Syed.Hosain at aeris.net; Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com;
docudoc at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
> 
> Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and
add
> these lines:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells
using
> the arrow keys. If you want the target cell selected when you move to it,
> you may have to substitute one of the other table commands. Here is a list
> of them:
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> 
> >
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 585-283-5045
> rick at frameexpert.com
> 
> 
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem
Hosain
> (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 7:26 PM
> To: Alison Craig; Fred Ridder; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> 
> The sequence "tmda" will move the Insertion Point down one cell
and
> highlight the text in it.
> 
> The sequence "tmd" (i.e., without the 'a') is support to just move
> the Insertion Point down one cell. But it does not seem to work ... :(
> 
> And, of course, "tmua" goes up one cell. Again, for some reason
> unknown to me, "tmu" does not work ...
> 
> What I have not been able to figure out is how to tie the arrow keys to
this
> sequence of keystroke when in cells. None of the above sequences are short
> enough ... the arrow keys are the way to do it.
> 
> FWIW, this is also one of _my_ pet peeves with FrameMaker . and it is one
> thing that Word gets right, annoyingly.
> 
> Z
> 
> 

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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

[Fred Ridder]

Thanks, Rick, but using all the default configuration files, the *default* key 
sequences (Cmd,t,m,u and Cmd,t,m,d) don't work, eitherIf the underlying command 
isn't working with the default key sequence, I think the issue of the syntax of 
my modification sequences is moot.

Fred

From: r...@rickquatro.com
To: docu...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 07:33:19 -0400

Hi Fred, I specifically tested the four I modified with FrameMaker 10 and they 
worked. I don't have 9 anymore so I can't test it with 9. Send me the modify 
sequences you tried and I will test them. It could be a problem specific to 9, 
but maybe the syntax isn't exactly right. Thanks. Rick From: Fred Ridder 
[mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 12:11 AM
To: r...@rickquatro.com; syed.hos...@aeris.net; alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables Thanks Rick and Syed.

In my poking around earlier today, I did find these commands in cmds.cfg and 
tried to reassign the MoveIPToCellAbove and ...CellBelow commands to more 
convenient shortcut keys. But whether I left them alone, changed the 
 definition, or added a  command, those two MoveIP 
commands refuse to do anything. ...CellAtLeft and ...CellAtRight both work, as 
do MoveIPUpAndSelectText and MoveIPDownAndSelectText, but not the two commands 
I specifically want to use. I suppose I'll just have to use the move and select 
commands, because at least it's better than having to reach for the mouse every 
damn time.

What's frustrating is that I *know* these commands worked in FM5.5.6, 6.0, 7.x 
and 8.0. Chalk up one mlore feature that got broken and never fixed when Adobe 
saw fit to impose their stupid and inconvenient (and buggy...) UI on us with 
version 9.0. Sigh...

I suppose I *should* report this bug to Adobe, but every time I have done it in 
the past has been an exercise in ultimate frustration. Every time it has taken 
me between one and two hours to accomplish something that should have taken 
10-15 minutes. And ever since software development and maintenance was moved to 
Bangalore, the only response I have ever gotten to a reported bug was that "we 
fixed the software to make it work the way it was supposed to work". Never mind 
that the new behavior was illogical and inconsistent with how other similar 
features worked, the mere fact that FrameMaker now behaved differently meant 
that a whole flock of my carefully designed procedures and processes no longer 
worked. I might have chalked it up to job security, but my employer (by 
acquisition...) chose to shut down their operation here in New Jersey. But 
that's a story for another day...

Thanks for your efforts, guys.

Fred Ridder > From: r...@rickquatro.com
> To: syed.hos...@aeris.net; alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com; docu...@hotmail.com; 
> framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
> 
> Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
> these lines:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells using
> the arrow keys. If you want the target cell selected when you move to it,
> you may have to substitute one of the other table commands. Here is a list
> of them:
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> 
> >
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 585-283-5045
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 
> 
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
> (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 7:26 PM
> To: Alison Craig; Fred Ridder; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> 
> The sequence "tmda" will move the Insertion Point down one cell and
> highlight the text in it.
> 
> The sequence "tmd" (i.e., without the 'a') is support to just move
> the Insertion Point down one cell. But it does not seem to work ... :(
> 
> And, of course, "tmua" goes up one cell. Again, for some reason
> unknown to me, "tmu" does not work ...
> 
> What I have not been able to figure out is how to tie the arrow keys to this
> sequence of keystroke when in cells. None of the above sequences are short
> enough ... the arrow keys are the way t

RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Fred,

 

I specifically tested the four I modified with FrameMaker 10 and they
worked. I don't have 9 anymore so I can't test it with 9. Send me the modify
sequences you tried and I will test them. It could be a problem specific to
9, but maybe the syntax isn't exactly right. Thanks.

 

Rick

 

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 12:11 AM
To: r...@rickquatro.com; syed.hos...@aeris.net; alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com;
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

 

Thanks Rick and Syed.

In my poking around earlier today, I did find these commands in cmds.cfg and
tried to reassign the MoveIPToCellAbove and ...CellBelow commands to more
convenient shortcut keys. But whether I left them alone, changed the
 definition, or added a  command, those two MoveIP
commands refuse to do anything. ...CellAtLeft and ...CellAtRight both work,
as do MoveIPUpAndSelectText and MoveIPDownAndSelectText, but not the two
commands I specifically want to use. I suppose I'll just have to use the
move and select commands, because at least it's better than having to reach
for the mouse every damn time.

What's frustrating is that I *know* these commands worked in FM5.5.6, 6.0,
7.x and 8.0. Chalk up one mlore feature that got broken and never fixed when
Adobe saw fit to impose their stupid and inconvenient (and buggy...) UI on
us with version 9.0. Sigh...

I suppose I *should* report this bug to Adobe, but every time I have done it
in the past has been an exercise in ultimate frustration. Every time it has
taken me between one and two hours to accomplish something that should have
taken 10-15 minutes. And ever since software development and maintenance was
moved to Bangalore, the only response I have ever gotten to a reported bug
was that "we fixed the software to make it work the way it was supposed to
work". Never mind that the new behavior was illogical and inconsistent with
how other similar features worked, the mere fact that FrameMaker now behaved
differently meant that a whole flock of my carefully designed procedures and
processes no longer worked. I might have chalked it up to job security, but
my employer (by acquisition...) chose to shut down their operation here in
New Jersey. But that's a story for another day...

Thanks for your efforts, guys.

Fred Ridder 

> From: r...@rickquatro.com
> To: syed.hos...@aeris.net; alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com;
docu...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
> 
> Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and
add
> these lines:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells
using
> the arrow keys. If you want the target cell selected when you move to it,
> you may have to substitute one of the other table commands. Here is a list
> of them:
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> >
> 
>  
> 
> 
> >
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 585-283-5045
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 
> 
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem
Hosain
> (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 7:26 PM
> To: Alison Craig; Fred Ridder; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> 
> The sequence "tmda" will move the Insertion Point down one cell
and
> highlight the text in it.
> 
> The sequence "tmd" (i.e., without the 'a') is support to just move
> the Insertion Point down one cell. But it does not seem to work ... :(
> 
> And, of course, "tmua" goes up one cell. Again, for some reason
> unknown to me, "tmu" does not work ...
> 
> What I have not been able to figure out is how to tie the arrow keys to
this
> sequence of keystroke when in cells. None of the above sequences are short
> enough ... the arrow keys are the way to do it.
> 
> FWIW, this is also one of _my_ pet peeves with FrameMaker . and it is one
> thing that Word gets right, annoyingly.
> 
> Z
> 
> 

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Cursor key navigation in tables

[Fred Ridder]

Thanks Rick and Syed.

In my poking around earlier today, I did find these commands in cmds.cfg and 
tried to reassign the MoveIPToCellAbove and ...CellBelow commands to more 
convenient shortcut keys. But whether I left them alone, changed the 
 definition, or added a  command, those two MoveIP 
commands refuse to do anything. ...CellAtLeft and ...CellAtRight both work, as 
do MoveIPUpAndSelectText and MoveIPDownAndSelectText, but not the two commands 
I specifically want to use. I suppose I'll just have to use the move and select 
commands, because at least it's better than having to reach for the mouse every 
damn time.

What's frustrating is that I *know* these commands worked in FM5.5.6, 6.0, 7.x 
and 8.0. Chalk up one mlore feature that got broken and never fixed when Adobe 
saw fit to impose their stupid and inconvenient (and buggy...) UI on us with 
version 9.0. Sigh...

I suppose I *should* report this bug to Adobe, but every time I have done it in 
the past has been an exercise in ultimate frustration. Every time it has taken 
me between one and two hours to accomplish something that should have taken 
10-15 minutes. And ever since software development and maintenance was moved to 
Bangalore, the only response I have ever gotten to a reported bug was that "we 
fixed the software to make it work the way it was supposed to work". Never mind 
that the new behavior was illogical and inconsistent with how other similar 
features worked, the mere fact that FrameMaker now behaved differently meant 
that a whole flock of my carefully designed procedures and processes no longer 
worked. I might have chalked it up to job security, but my employer (by 
acquisition...) chose to shut down their operation here in New Jersey. But 
that's a story for another day...

Thanks for your efforts, guys.

Fred Ridder 

> From: rick at rickquatro.com
> To: Syed.Hosain at aeris.net; Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com; docudoc at 
> hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
> 
> Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
> these lines:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells using
> the arrow keys. If you want the target cell selected when you move to it,
> you may have to substitute one of the other table commands. Here is a list
> of them:
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
> 
>
>
>>
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 585-283-5045
> rick at frameexpert.com
> 
> 
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem 
> Hosain
> (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 7:26 PM
> To: Alison Craig; Fred Ridder; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> 
> The sequence "tmda" will move the Insertion Point down one cell and
> highlight the text in it.
> 
> The sequence "tmd" (i.e., without the 'a') is support to just move
> the Insertion Point down one cell. But it does not seem to work ... :(
> 
> And, of course, "tmua" goes up one cell. Again, for some reason
> unknown to me, "tmu" does not work ...
> 
> What I have not been able to figure out is how to tie the arrow keys to this
> sequence of keystroke when in cells. None of the above sequences are short
> enough ... the arrow keys are the way to do it.
> 
> FWIW, this is also one of _my_ pet peeves with FrameMaker . and it is one
> thing that Word gets right, annoyingly.
> 
> Z
> 
> 

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Cursor key navigation in tables

[Rick Quatro]

Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
these lines:

>
>
>
>

Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells using
the arrow keys. If you want the target cell selected when you move to it,
you may have to substitute one of the other table commands. Here is a list
of them:



>



>



>



>



>



>



>



>



>



>



>



>


   
   
   >

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
rick at frameexpert.com


From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
(Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 7:26 PM
To: Alison Craig; Fred Ridder; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

The sequence "tmda" will move the Insertion Point down one cell and
highlight the text in it.

The sequence "tmd" (i.e., without the 'a') is support to just move
the Insertion Point down one cell. But it does not seem to work ... :(

And, of course, "tmua" goes up one cell. Again, for some reason
unknown to me, "tmu" does not work ...

What I have not been able to figure out is how to tie the arrow keys to this
sequence of keystroke when in cells. None of the above sequences are short
enough ... the arrow keys are the way to do it.

FWIW, this is also one of _my_ pet peeves with FrameMaker . and it is one
thing that Word gets right, annoyingly.

Z

RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

[Fred Ridder]

Thanks Rick and Syed.

In my poking around earlier today, I did find these commands in cmds.cfg and 
tried to reassign the MoveIPToCellAbove and ...CellBelow commands to more 
convenient shortcut keys. But whether I left them alone, changed the 
 definition, or added a  command, those two MoveIP 
commands refuse to do anything. ...CellAtLeft and ...CellAtRight both work, as 
do MoveIPUpAndSelectText and MoveIPDownAndSelectText, but not the two commands 
I specifically want to use. I suppose I'll just have to use the move and select 
commands, because at least it's better than having to reach for the mouse every 
damn time.

What's frustrating is that I *know* these commands worked in FM5.5.6, 6.0, 7.x 
and 8.0. Chalk up one mlore feature that got broken and never fixed when Adobe 
saw fit to impose their stupid and inconvenient (and buggy...) UI on us with 
version 9.0. Sigh...

I suppose I *should* report this bug to Adobe, but every time I have done it in 
the past has been an exercise in ultimate frustration. Every time it has taken 
me between one and two hours to accomplish something that should have taken 
10-15 minutes. And ever since software development and maintenance was moved to 
Bangalore, the only response I have ever gotten to a reported bug was that "we 
fixed the software to make it work the way it was supposed to work". Never mind 
that the new behavior was illogical and inconsistent with how other similar 
features worked, the mere fact that FrameMaker now behaved differently meant 
that a whole flock of my carefully designed procedures and processes no longer 
worked. I might have chalked it up to job security, but my employer (by 
acquisition...) chose to shut down their operation here in New Jersey. But 
that's a story for another day...

Thanks for your efforts, guys.

Fred Ridder 

> From: r...@rickquatro.com
> To: syed.hos...@aeris.net; alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com; docu...@hotmail.com; 
> framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:04:34 -0400
> 
> Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
> these lines:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells using
> the arrow keys. If you want the target cell selected when you move to it,
> you may have to substitute one of the other table commands. Here is a list
> of them:
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
>
>   
>   >
> 
> 
>
>
>>
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 585-283-5045
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 
> 
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
> (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 7:26 PM
> To: Alison Craig; Fred Ridder; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables
> 
> The sequence "tmda" will move the Insertion Point down one cell and
> highlight the text in it.
> 
> The sequence "tmd" (i.e., without the 'a') is support to just move
> the Insertion Point down one cell. But it does not seem to work ... :(
> 
> And, of course, "tmua" goes up one cell. Again, for some reason
> unknown to me, "tmu" does not work ...
> 
> What I have not been able to figure out is how to tie the arrow keys to this
> sequence of keystroke when in cells. None of the above sequences are short
> enough ... the arrow keys are the way to do it.
> 
> FWIW, this is also one of _my_ pet peeves with FrameMaker . and it is one
> thing that Word gets right, annoyingly.
> 
> Z
> 
> 
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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

[Rick Quatro]

Open the FrameMaker/Fminit/Config/customui.cfg file in a text editor and add
these lines:

>
>
>
>

Quit and restart FrameMaker. Then you should be able to navigate cells using
the arrow keys. If you want the target cell selected when you move to it,
you may have to substitute one of the other table commands. Here is a list
of them:



>



>



>



>



>



>



>



>



>



>



>



>


   
   
   >

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
r...@frameexpert.com


From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 7:26 PM
To: Alison Craig; Fred Ridder; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

The sequence "tmda" will move the Insertion Point down one cell and
highlight the text in it.

The sequence "tmd" (i.e., without the 'a') is support to just move
the Insertion Point down one cell. But it does not seem to work ... :(

And, of course, "tmua" goes up one cell. Again, for some reason
unknown to me, "tmu" does not work ...

What I have not been able to figure out is how to tie the arrow keys to this
sequence of keystroke when in cells. None of the above sequences are short
enough ... the arrow keys are the way to do it.

FWIW, this is also one of _my_ pet peeves with FrameMaker . and it is one
thing that Word gets right, annoyingly.

Z


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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

The sequence "tmda" will move the Insertion Point down one cell and 
highlight the text in it.

The sequence "tmd" (i.e., without the 'a') is support to just move the 
Insertion Point down one cell. But it does not seem to work ... :(

And, of course, "tmua" goes up one cell. Again, for some reason unknown 
to me, "tmu" does not work ...

What I have not been able to figure out is how to tie the arrow keys to this 
sequence of keystroke when in cells. None of the above sequences are short 
enough ... the arrow keys are the way to do it.

FWIW, this is also one of _my_ pet peeves with FrameMaker ... and it is one 
thing that Word gets right, annoyingly.

Z

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:53 PM
To: Fred Ridder; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

I'd love to know the answer to this as well as I, too, use Frame 9 and hate the 
awful table navigation option of tab, tab, tab...

Alison

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:30 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Cursor key navigation in tables

It's actually been nearly two years since I've used FrameMaker on a daily 
basis, and that was still FM8 (for a variety of reasons that don't matter 
here). But the project I'm working on now is based on a document that was done 
in FM9, so here I am trying to meet a deadline and come to terms with a 
completely unfamiliar UI at the same time.

One of the things that is driving me completely nuts is the absence of cursor 
key navigation inside tables. The bulk of the document I'm working on is pin 
description tables for a SoC chip with 1243 pins, and having to reach for the 
mouse (or type Tab 6 times to step sequentially through the cells) to move the 
insertion point down one row several thousand times has *ZERO* appeal. I know 
that in older versions of FrameMaker there was a simple modification one could 
to to cmds.cfg (if I recall correctly) to make the cursor keys (or cursor keys 
plus a modifier key) work inside a Frame table just like they would inside a 
Word table or a spreadsheet, but I have had no luck putting my hands on that 
info. I did read the section on customizing commands in the FM7 (Windows) 
version of Customizing FrameMaker and tried a couple modifications of the FM9 
cmds.cfg file, but no joy.

Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside 
tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be 
eternally grateful.

-Fred Ridder
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Cursor key navigation in tables

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

The sequence "tmda" will move the Insertion Point down one cell and 
highlight the text in it.

The sequence "tmd" (i.e., without the 'a') is support to just move the 
Insertion Point down one cell. But it does not seem to work ... :(

And, of course, "tmua" goes up one cell. Again, for some reason unknown 
to me, "tmu" does not work ...

What I have not been able to figure out is how to tie the arrow keys to this 
sequence of keystroke when in cells. None of the above sequences are short 
enough ... the arrow keys are the way to do it.

FWIW, this is also one of _my_ pet peeves with FrameMaker ... and it is one 
thing that Word gets right, annoyingly.

Z

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:53 PM
To: Fred Ridder; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

I'd love to know the answer to this as well as I, too, use Frame 9 and hate the 
awful table navigation option of tab, tab, tab...

Alison

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:30 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Cursor key navigation in tables

It's actually been nearly two years since I've used FrameMaker on a daily 
basis, and that was still FM8 (for a variety of reasons that don't matter 
here). But the project I'm working on now is based on a document that was done 
in FM9, so here I am trying to meet a deadline and come to terms with a 
completely unfamiliar UI at the same time.

One of the things that is driving me completely nuts is the absence of cursor 
key navigation inside tables. The bulk of the document I'm working on is pin 
description tables for a SoC chip with 1243 pins, and having to reach for the 
mouse (or type Tab 6 times to step sequentially through the cells) to move the 
insertion point down one row several thousand times has *ZERO* appeal. I know 
that in older versions of FrameMaker there was a simple modification one could 
to to cmds.cfg (if I recall correctly) to make the cursor keys (or cursor keys 
plus a modifier key) work inside a Frame table just like they would inside a 
Word table or a spreadsheet, but I have had no luck putting my hands on that 
info. I did read the section on customizing commands in the FM7 (Windows) 
version of Customizing FrameMaker and tried a couple modifications of the FM9 
cmds.cfg file, but no joy.

Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside 
tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be 
eternally grateful.

-Fred Ridder
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Cursor key navigation in tables

[Fred Ridder]

It's actually been nearly two years since I've used FrameMaker on a daily 
basis, and that was still FM8 (for a variety of reasons that don't matter 
here). But the project I'm working on now is based on a document that was done 
in FM9, so here I am trying to meet a deadline and come to terms with a 
completely unfamiliar UI at the same time. 

One of the things that is driving me completely nuts is the absence of cursor 
key navigation inside tables. The bulk of the document I'm working on is pin 
description tables for a SoC chip with 1243 pins, and having to reach for the 
mouse (or type Tab 6 times to step sequentially through the cells) to move the 
insertion point down one row several thousand times has *ZERO* appeal. I know 
that in older versions of FrameMaker there was a simple modification one could 
to to cmds.cfg (if I recall correctly) to make the cursor keys (or cursor keys 
plus a modifier key) work inside a Frame table just like they would inside a 
Word table or a spreadsheet, but I have had no luck putting my hands on that 
info. I did read the section on customizing commands in the FM7 (Windows) 
version of Customizing FrameMaker and tried a couple modifications of the FM9 
cmds.cfg file, but no joy.

Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside 
tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be 
eternally grateful.

-Fred Ridder

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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

[Alison Craig]

I'd love to know the answer to this as well as I, too, use Frame 9 and hate the 
awful table navigation option of tab, tab, tab...

Alison

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:30 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Cursor key navigation in tables

It's actually been nearly two years since I've used FrameMaker on a daily 
basis, and that was still FM8 (for a variety of reasons that don't matter 
here). But the project I'm working on now is based on a document that was done 
in FM9, so here I am trying to meet a deadline and come to terms with a 
completely unfamiliar UI at the same time.

One of the things that is driving me completely nuts is the absence of cursor 
key navigation inside tables. The bulk of the document I'm working on is pin 
description tables for a SoC chip with 1243 pins, and having to reach for the 
mouse (or type Tab 6 times to step sequentially through the cells) to move the 
insertion point down one row several thousand times has *ZERO* appeal. I know 
that in older versions of FrameMaker there was a simple modification one could 
to to cmds.cfg (if I recall correctly) to make the cursor keys (or cursor keys 
plus a modifier key) work inside a Frame table just like they would inside a 
Word table or a spreadsheet, but I have had no luck putting my hands on that 
info. I did read the section on customizing commands in the FM7 (Windows) 
version of Customizing FrameMaker and tried a couple modifications of the FM9 
cmds.cfg file, but no joy.

Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside 
tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be 
eternally grateful.

-Fred Ridder
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Cursor key navigation in tables

[Alison Craig]

I'd love to know the answer to this as well as I, too, use Frame 9 and hate the 
awful table navigation option of tab, tab, tab...

Alison

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:30 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Cursor key navigation in tables

It's actually been nearly two years since I've used FrameMaker on a daily 
basis, and that was still FM8 (for a variety of reasons that don't matter 
here). But the project I'm working on now is based on a document that was done 
in FM9, so here I am trying to meet a deadline and come to terms with a 
completely unfamiliar UI at the same time.

One of the things that is driving me completely nuts is the absence of cursor 
key navigation inside tables. The bulk of the document I'm working on is pin 
description tables for a SoC chip with 1243 pins, and having to reach for the 
mouse (or type Tab 6 times to step sequentially through the cells) to move the 
insertion point down one row several thousand times has *ZERO* appeal. I know 
that in older versions of FrameMaker there was a simple modification one could 
to to cmds.cfg (if I recall correctly) to make the cursor keys (or cursor keys 
plus a modifier key) work inside a Frame table just like they would inside a 
Word table or a spreadsheet, but I have had no luck putting my hands on that 
info. I did read the section on customizing commands in the FM7 (Windows) 
version of Customizing FrameMaker and tried a couple modifications of the FM9 
cmds.cfg file, but no joy.

Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside 
tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be 
eternally grateful.

-Fred Ridder
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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

[Combs, Richard]

Fred Ridder wrote:
 
> Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside
> tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be
> eternally grateful.

The key sequences Matt found in FM 5 training materials apparently ceased 
working prior to FM 7.2. My FM 7.2 installation has UI customizations from 
Microtype.com, and they enable table cell navigation by pressing the 
Application key followed by the desired arrow key. I'm guessing that feature is 
still available in later Microtype customization products -- along with scores 
of other changes you'll find you can't live without. :-)

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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Cursor key navigation in tables

[Combs, Richard]

Fred Ridder wrote:

> Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside
> tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be
> eternally grateful.

The key sequences Matt found in FM 5 training materials apparently ceased 
working prior to FM 7.2. My FM 7.2 installation has UI customizations from 
Microtype.com, and they enable table cell navigation by pressing the 
Application key followed by the desired arrow key. I'm guessing that feature is 
still available in later Microtype customization products -- along with scores 
of other changes you'll find you can't live without. :-)

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
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Re: Cursor key navigation in tables

[Matt Sullivan]

Per an ancient (circa FM5) set of training materials, Control-Alt-TabControl-Alt-Shift-Tabare what the keys used to be, but they're so bad I never use them. I just checked, and FWIW, they don't work in FM11, Win7, structured mode.-MattMatt R. Sullivan co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11 P: 714.960.6840 | C: 714.585.2335 | m...@mattrsullivan.com @mattrsullivan LinkedIn facebook mattrsullivan.com

On Mar 15, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Fred Ridder  wrote:It's actually been nearly two years since I've used FrameMaker on a daily basis, and that was still FM8 (for a variety of reasons that don't matter here). But the project I'm working on now is based on a document that was done in FM9, so here I am trying to meet a deadline and come to terms with a completely unfamiliar UI at the same time. One of the things that is driving me completely nuts is the absence of cursor key navigation inside tables. The bulk of the document I'm working on is pin description tables for a SoC chip with 1243 pins, and having to reach for the mouse (or type Tab 6 times to step sequentially through the cells) to move the insertion point down one row several thousand times has *ZERO* appeal. I know that in older versions of FrameMaker there was a simple modification one could to to cmds.cfg (if I recall correctly) to make the cursor keys (or cursor keys plus a modifier key) work inside a Frame table just like they would inside a Word table or a spreadsheet, but I have had no luck putting my hands on that info. I did read the section on customizing commands in the FM7 (Windows) version of Customizing FrameMaker and tried a couple modifications of the FM9 cmds.cfg file, but no joy.Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be eternally grateful.-Fred Ridder___You are currently subscribed to framers as m...@mattrsullivan.com.Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.comor visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40mattrsullivan.comSend administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.___


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Cursor key navigation in tables

[Matt Sullivan]

Per an ancient (circa FM5) set of training materials, 

Control-Alt-Tab
Control-Alt-Shift-Tab

are what the keys used to be, but they're so bad I never use them. I just 
checked, and FWIW, they don't work in FM11, Win7, structured mode.
-Matt

Matt R. Sullivan 
co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11 
P: 714.960.6840 | C: 714.585.2335 | matt at mattrsullivan.com 

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On Mar 15, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Fred Ridder  wrote:

> It's actually been nearly two years since I've used FrameMaker on a daily 
> basis, and that was still FM8 (for a variety of reasons that don't matter 
> here). But the project I'm working on now is based on a document that was 
> done in FM9, so here I am trying to meet a deadline and come to terms with a 
> completely unfamiliar UI at the same time. 
> 
> One of the things that is driving me completely nuts is the absence of cursor 
> key navigation inside tables. The bulk of the document I'm working on is pin 
> description tables for a SoC chip with 1243 pins, and having to reach for the 
> mouse (or type Tab 6 times to step sequentially through the cells) to move 
> the insertion point down one row several thousand times has *ZERO* appeal. I 
> know that in older versions of FrameMaker there was a simple modification one 
> could to to cmds.cfg (if I recall correctly) to make the cursor keys (or 
> cursor keys plus a modifier key) work inside a Frame table just like they 
> would inside a Word table or a spreadsheet, but I have had no luck putting my 
> hands on that info. I did read the section on customizing commands in the FM7 
> (Windows) version of Customizing FrameMaker and tried a couple modifications 
> of the FM9 cmds.cfg file, but no joy.
> 
> Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside 
> tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be 
> eternally grateful.
> 
> -Fred Ridder
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Cursor key navigation in tables

[Fred Ridder]

It's actually been nearly two years since I've used FrameMaker on a daily 
basis, and that was still FM8 (for a variety of reasons that don't matter 
here). But the project I'm working on now is based on a document that was done 
in FM9, so here I am trying to meet a deadline and come to terms with a 
completely unfamiliar UI at the same time. 

One of the things that is driving me completely nuts is the absence of cursor 
key navigation inside tables. The bulk of the document I'm working on is pin 
description tables for a SoC chip with 1243 pins, and having to reach for the 
mouse (or type Tab 6 times to step sequentially through the cells) to move the 
insertion point down one row several thousand times has *ZERO* appeal. I know 
that in older versions of FrameMaker there was a simple modification one could 
to to cmds.cfg (if I recall correctly) to make the cursor keys (or cursor keys 
plus a modifier key) work inside a Frame table just like they would inside a 
Word table or a spreadsheet, but I have had no luck putting my hands on that 
info. I did read the section on customizing commands in the FM7 (Windows) 
version of Customizing FrameMaker and tried a couple modifications of the FM9 
cmds.cfg file, but no joy.

Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside 
tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be 
eternally grateful.

-Fred Ridder
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