Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question
I >>THINK<< that I understand. I will give this a shot if something else doesn't work. Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf > Of Julie A. Sigrist > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 6:14 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question > > I noticed that when adding footnotes that each paragraph has an End of flow > symbol. To break from that I had to find the original End of flow symbol for > my > document and work from there. When testing, I inserted the table at the End > of Flow symbol and had to go above the table to find that symbol and put my > return in at that point. > > Not sure if I explained this correctly, but hopefully it might help. > > Julie Sigrist > Quality Assurance Associate Writer > Airborne Maintenance & Engineering Services Cell 513-607-1444 > 145 Hunter Dr. l Wilmington, OH l 45177 > www.airbornemx.com<http://www.airbornemx.com> > [cid:image001.png@01DA5E54.4D092640]<http://www.airbornemx.com/> > > From: Framers bounces+julie.sigrist=airbornemx@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of > Tammy Van Boening > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 6:48 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question > > I might give this a try! > > Thanks! > > TVB > > Tammy Van Boening > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > www.spectrumwritingllc.com<http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com> > > > -Original Message- > > From: Framers > > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:bo > u > > bounces+nces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com>> > On > > bounces+Behalf > > Of acr...@shaw.ca<mailto:acr...@shaw.ca> > > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 3:38 PM > > To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' > > mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question > > > > What about creating the next heading level *before* adding the footnotes? > > Possibly with the extra pilcrow after the table as an added buffer? > > > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Framers > > mailto:framers- > bo > > unces+acraig=shaw...@lists.frameusers.com>> On Behalf Of Tammy Van > > Boening > > Sent: February 12, 2024 1:43 PM > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question > > > > Hi Dan, > > Yeah I ve tried that too and I m just at my wit s end. After I hit a > > return from the last table footnote, no matter what type of tag I > > select with point and click, and then press enter to start a new line > > and start another tag, it s like the hold of the table footnote will > > not go away. It s like FrameMaker won t let me start any new tag after > > a table footnote. It s stuck thinking everything that follows should > > be kept with the table footnotes > > > > I ve given up for now and have just manually numbered the footnotes > > because there s only four of them and there s no expectation that they ll > change at all. > > However, I still would like to know why after a table footnote when > > you hit return, and then try to point and click and setting new tag at > > the pilcrow, Framemaker isn t recognizing the new tag s properties. It > > appears to stay stuck in table footnote mode. > > > > Thank you! > > > > TVB > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos. > > > > > On Feb 12, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Harding, Dan > mailto:dhard...@illinois.edu>> wrote: > > > > > > ?Poor man's workaround: what about putting an empty paragraph after > > > the > > final footnote and THEN the paragraph style that is tagged to start a > > new page? Whatever is clinging to the final footnote may stick with > > the empty paragraph rather than the paragraph starting the next page. > > > > > > Not elegant, I realize, but... > > > > > > -Dan > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to > > > framers@lists.frameusers.co
Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question
Yep, that rings a dull thud to me as well . . . I might look into that. Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf > Of loui...@mchsi.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 4:51 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question > > Also, I "kind of" remember that you can set the footnotes to appear in the > last > row of the table, instead of after it? (Sorry, I don't have Frame loaded and > it's > been a few years.) Louise > > ** > > Hi - are the footnotes near the bottom of the page? Try expanding the page's > text frame and see if that does anything. > OR > Does the table have a lot of space after it that's constraining it? > OR > Select the page's text frame and do a ctrl-a. Maybe there's an errant box or > frame on the page. > > Good luck - > > Louise Kaufman > loui...@mchsi.com > > - Original Message - > From: Tammy Van Boening > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Sent: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 16:42:34 -0500 (EST) > Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question > > Hi Dan, > Yeah I’ve tried that too and I’m just at my wit’s end. After I hit a return > from > the last table footnote, no matter what type of tag I select with point and > click, > and then press enter to start a new line and start another tag, it’s like the > hold > of the table footnote will not go away. It’s like FrameMaker won’t let me > start > any new tag after a table footnote. It’s stuck thinking everything that > follows > should be kept with the table footnotes > > I’ve given up for now and have just manually numbered the footnotes > because there’s only four of them and there’s no expectation that they’ll > change at all. However, I still would like to know why after a table footnote > when you hit return, and then try to point and click and setting new tag at > the > pilcrow, Framemaker isn’t recognizing the new tag‘s properties. It appears to > stay stuck in table footnote mode. > > Thank you! > > TVB > > > Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos. > > > On Feb 12, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Harding, Dan wrote: > > > > Poor man's workaround: what about putting an empty paragraph after the > final footnote and THEN the paragraph style that is tagged to start a new > page? Whatever is clinging to the final footnote may stick with the empty > paragraph rather than the paragraph starting the next page. > > > > Not elegant, I realize, but... > > > > -Dan > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail- > archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers- > frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail- > archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers- > frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail- > archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers- > frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question
I noticed that when adding footnotes that each paragraph has an End of flow symbol. To break from that I had to find the original End of flow symbol for my document and work from there. When testing, I inserted the table at the End of Flow symbol and had to go above the table to find that symbol and put my return in at that point. Not sure if I explained this correctly, but hopefully it might help. Julie Sigrist Quality Assurance Associate Writer Airborne Maintenance & Engineering Services Cell 513-607-1444 145 Hunter Dr. l Wilmington, OH l 45177 www.airbornemx.com<http://www.airbornemx.com> [cid:image001.png@01DA5E54.4D092640]<http://www.airbornemx.com/> From: Framers On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 6:48 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question I might give this a try! Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com<http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com> > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com>> > On Behalf > Of acr...@shaw.ca<mailto:acr...@shaw.ca> > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 3:38 PM > To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' > mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question > > What about creating the next heading level *before* adding the footnotes? > Possibly with the extra pilcrow after the table as an added buffer? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=shaw...@lists.frameusers.com>> > On > Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening > Sent: February 12, 2024 1:43 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question > > Hi Dan, > Yeah I ve tried that too and I m just at my wit s end. After I hit a return > from > the last table footnote, no matter what type of tag I select with point and > click, > and then press enter to start a new line and start another tag, it s like the > hold > of the table footnote will not go away. It s like FrameMaker won t let me > start > any new tag after a table footnote. It s stuck thinking everything that > follows > should be kept with the table footnotes > > I ve given up for now and have just manually numbered the footnotes because > there s only four of them and there s no expectation that they ll change at > all. > However, I still would like to know why after a table footnote when you hit > return, and then try to point and click and setting new tag at the pilcrow, > Framemaker isn t recognizing the new tag s properties. It appears to stay > stuck > in table footnote mode. > > Thank you! > > TVB > > > Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos. > > > On Feb 12, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Harding, Dan > > mailto:dhard...@illinois.edu>> wrote: > > > > ?Poor man's workaround: what about putting an empty paragraph after the > final footnote and THEN the paragraph style that is tagged to start a new > page? Whatever is clinging to the final footnote may stick with the empty > paragraph rather than the paragraph starting the next page. > > > > Not elegant, I realize, but... > > > > -Dan > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to > > framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> Visit the > > list's > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com<http://www.frameusers.com> Archives > > located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com> > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com<http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com> > > Send administrative questions to > > listad...@frameusers.com<mailto:listad...@frameusers.com> > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to > framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> Visit the > list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com<http://www.frameusers.com> Archives located at > http://www.mail-<http://www.mail-> > archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/<http://archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.c
Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question
Also, I "kind of" remember that you can set the footnotes to appear in the last row of the table, instead of after it? (Sorry, I don't have Frame loaded and it's been a few years.) Louise ** Hi - are the footnotes near the bottom of the page? Try expanding the page's text frame and see if that does anything. OR Does the table have a lot of space after it that's constraining it? OR Select the page's text frame and do a ctrl-a. Maybe there's an errant box or frame on the page. Good luck - Louise Kaufman loui...@mchsi.com - Original Message - From: Tammy Van Boening To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Sent: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 16:42:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question Hi Dan, Yeah I’ve tried that too and I’m just at my wit’s end. After I hit a return from the last table footnote, no matter what type of tag I select with point and click, and then press enter to start a new line and start another tag, it’s like the hold of the table footnote will not go away. It’s like FrameMaker won’t let me start any new tag after a table footnote. It’s stuck thinking everything that follows should be kept with the table footnotes I’ve given up for now and have just manually numbered the footnotes because there’s only four of them and there’s no expectation that they’ll change at all. However, I still would like to know why after a table footnote when you hit return, and then try to point and click and setting new tag at the pilcrow, Framemaker isn’t recognizing the new tag‘s properties. It appears to stay stuck in table footnote mode. Thank you! TVB Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos. > On Feb 12, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Harding, Dan wrote: > > Poor man's workaround: what about putting an empty paragraph after the final > footnote and THEN the paragraph style that is tagged to start a new page? > Whatever is clinging to the final footnote may stick with the empty paragraph > rather than the paragraph starting the next page. > > Not elegant, I realize, but... > > -Dan > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question
Hi - are the footnotes near the bottom of the page? Try expanding the page's text frame and see if that does anything. OR Does the table have a lot of space after it that's constraining it? OR Select the page's text frame and do a ctrl-a. Maybe there's an errant box or frame on the page. Good luck - Louise Kaufman loui...@mchsi.com - Original Message - From: Tammy Van Boening To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Sent: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 16:42:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question Hi Dan, Yeah I’ve tried that too and I’m just at my wit’s end. After I hit a return from the last table footnote, no matter what type of tag I select with point and click, and then press enter to start a new line and start another tag, it’s like the hold of the table footnote will not go away. It’s like FrameMaker won’t let me start any new tag after a table footnote. It’s stuck thinking everything that follows should be kept with the table footnotes I’ve given up for now and have just manually numbered the footnotes because there’s only four of them and there’s no expectation that they’ll change at all. However, I still would like to know why after a table footnote when you hit return, and then try to point and click and setting new tag at the pilcrow, Framemaker isn’t recognizing the new tag‘s properties. It appears to stay stuck in table footnote mode. Thank you! TVB Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos. > On Feb 12, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Harding, Dan wrote: > > Poor man's workaround: what about putting an empty paragraph after the final > footnote and THEN the paragraph style that is tagged to start a new page? > Whatever is clinging to the final footnote may stick with the empty paragraph > rather than the paragraph starting the next page. > > Not elegant, I realize, but... > > -Dan > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question
I might give this a try! Thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf > Of acr...@shaw.ca > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 3:38 PM > To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question > > What about creating the next heading level *before* adding the footnotes? > Possibly with the extra pilcrow after the table as an added buffer? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers On > Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening > Sent: February 12, 2024 1:43 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question > > Hi Dan, > Yeah I ve tried that too and I m just at my wit s end. After I hit a return > from > the last table footnote, no matter what type of tag I select with point and > click, > and then press enter to start a new line and start another tag, it s like the > hold > of the table footnote will not go away. It s like FrameMaker won t let me > start > any new tag after a table footnote. It s stuck thinking everything that > follows > should be kept with the table footnotes > > I ve given up for now and have just manually numbered the footnotes because > there s only four of them and there s no expectation that they ll change at > all. > However, I still would like to know why after a table footnote when you hit > return, and then try to point and click and setting new tag at the pilcrow, > Framemaker isn t recognizing the new tag s properties. It appears to stay > stuck > in table footnote mode. > > Thank you! > > TVB > > > Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos. > > > On Feb 12, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Harding, Dan wrote: > > > > ?Poor man's workaround: what about putting an empty paragraph after the > final footnote and THEN the paragraph style that is tagged to start a new > page? Whatever is clinging to the final footnote may stick with the empty > paragraph rather than the paragraph starting the next page. > > > > Not elegant, I realize, but... > > > > -Dan > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail- > archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers- > frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail- > archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers- > frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question
Yep, I tried a page break and the tag doesn't have a Keep w/ Next element either. Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf > Of Dennis Hays > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 3:47 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question > > >Did you try to put a Page Break after the extra line following the >footnote, and does that carry the last footnote to the next page? >Also, look ar the Paragraph tag and see if there is an erroneous 'Keep >with next' element. >Dennis > >-- >Dennis Hays >Quantum Mechanic >+1 518.779.2322 > >On Monday, Feb 12, 2024 at 4:42 PM, Tammy Van Boening ><[1]tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote: >Hi Dan, >Yeah I’ve tried that too and I’m just at my wit’s end. After I hit a >return from the last table footnote, no matter what type of tag I >select with point and click, and then press enter to start a new line >and start another tag, it’s like the hold of the table footnote will >not go away. It’s like FrameMaker won’t let me start any new tag after >a table footnote. It’s stuck thinking everything that follows should be >kept with the table footnotes >I’ve given up for now and have just manually numbered the footnotes >because there’s only four of them and there’s no expectation that >they’ll change at all. However, I still would like to know why after a >table footnote when you hit return, and then try to point and click and >setting new tag at the pilcrow, Framemaker isn’t recognizing the new >tag‘s properties. It appears to stay stuck in table footnote mode. >Thank you! >TVB >Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos. > > On Feb 12, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Harding, Dan > wrote: > Poor man's workaround: what about putting an empty paragraph after > the final footnote and THEN the paragraph style that is tagged to > start a new page? Whatever is clinging to the final footnote may > stick with the empty paragraph rather than the paragraph starting > the next page. > Not elegant, I realize, but... > -Dan > ___ > This message is from the Framers mailing list > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > >___This message is from > the >Framers mailing listSend messages to framers@lists.frameusers.comVisit >the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.comArchives located at >http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/Subscribe >and unsubscribe at >http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.comSend >administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > [66F8592229221498463ACC738E629823_0997D83F4DB1E192FF545DADD > 55D0477.png] > > References > >1. mailto:tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail- > archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers- > frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question
Did you try to put a Page Break after the extra line following the footnote, and does that carry the last footnote to the next page? Also, look ar the Paragraph tag and see if there is an erroneous 'Keep with next' element. Dennis -- Dennis Hays Quantum Mechanic +1 518.779.2322 On Monday, Feb 12, 2024 at 4:42 PM, Tammy Van Boening <[1]tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote: Hi Dan, Yeah I’ve tried that too and I’m just at my wit’s end. After I hit a return from the last table footnote, no matter what type of tag I select with point and click, and then press enter to start a new line and start another tag, it’s like the hold of the table footnote will not go away. It’s like FrameMaker won’t let me start any new tag after a table footnote. It’s stuck thinking everything that follows should be kept with the table footnotes I’ve given up for now and have just manually numbered the footnotes because there’s only four of them and there’s no expectation that they’ll change at all. However, I still would like to know why after a table footnote when you hit return, and then try to point and click and setting new tag at the pilcrow, Framemaker isn’t recognizing the new tag‘s properties. It appears to stay stuck in table footnote mode. Thank you! TVB Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos. On Feb 12, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Harding, Dan wrote: Poor man's workaround: what about putting an empty paragraph after the final footnote and THEN the paragraph style that is tagged to start a new page? Whatever is clinging to the final footnote may stick with the empty paragraph rather than the paragraph starting the next page. Not elegant, I realize, but... -Dan ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___This message is from the Framers mailing listSend messages to framers@lists.frameusers.comVisit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.comArchives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.comSend administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com [66F8592229221498463ACC738E629823_0997D83F4DB1E192FF545DADD55D0477.png] References 1. mailto:tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question
What about creating the next heading level *before* adding the footnotes? Possibly with the extra pilcrow after the table as an added buffer? -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: February 12, 2024 1:43 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question Hi Dan, Yeah I ve tried that too and I m just at my wit s end. After I hit a return from the last table footnote, no matter what type of tag I select with point and click, and then press enter to start a new line and start another tag, it s like the hold of the table footnote will not go away. It s like FrameMaker won t let me start any new tag after a table footnote. It s stuck thinking everything that follows should be kept with the table footnotes I ve given up for now and have just manually numbered the footnotes because there s only four of them and there s no expectation that they ll change at all. However, I still would like to know why after a table footnote when you hit return, and then try to point and click and setting new tag at the pilcrow, Framemaker isn t recognizing the new tag s properties. It appears to stay stuck in table footnote mode. Thank you! TVB Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos. > On Feb 12, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Harding, Dan wrote: > > ?Poor man's workaround: what about putting an empty paragraph after the final > footnote and THEN the paragraph style that is tagged to start a new page? > Whatever is clinging to the final footnote may stick with the empty paragraph > rather than the paragraph starting the next page. > > Not elegant, I realize, but... > > -Dan > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question
Hi Dan, Yeah I’ve tried that too and I’m just at my wit’s end. After I hit a return from the last table footnote, no matter what type of tag I select with point and click, and then press enter to start a new line and start another tag, it’s like the hold of the table footnote will not go away. It’s like FrameMaker won’t let me start any new tag after a table footnote. It’s stuck thinking everything that follows should be kept with the table footnotes I’ve given up for now and have just manually numbered the footnotes because there’s only four of them and there’s no expectation that they’ll change at all. However, I still would like to know why after a table footnote when you hit return, and then try to point and click and setting new tag at the pilcrow, Framemaker isn’t recognizing the new tag‘s properties. It appears to stay stuck in table footnote mode. Thank you! TVB Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos. > On Feb 12, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Harding, Dan wrote: > > Poor man's workaround: what about putting an empty paragraph after the final > footnote and THEN the paragraph style that is tagged to start a new page? > Whatever is clinging to the final footnote may stick with the empty paragraph > rather than the paragraph starting the next page. > > Not elegant, I realize, but... > > -Dan > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question
Poor man's workaround: what about putting an empty paragraph after the final footnote and THEN the paragraph style that is tagged to start a new page? Whatever is clinging to the final footnote may stick with the empty paragraph rather than the paragraph starting the next page. Not elegant, I realize, but... -Dan ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question
Maybe I'm missing something, but have you tried placing the cursor in the paragraph that has the anchor for the table, after the anchor, and pressing Enter? -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 15:36 To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question Hi Julie, Great thought, but nope. It's not marked as Keep with Previous or Keep with Next. I know it has something to do w/ how FM handles table footnotes and wanting to keep them all together at the bottom of the table and it's really quirky and I used to know how to get around it, but for the life of me, I can't remember! Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf > Of Julie A. Sigrist > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 1:26 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question > > I do not use footnotes so this may not even apply, but is there a > chance a paragraph tag is set to keep with next paragraph? > > Julie Sigrist > Quality Assurance Associate Writer > Airborne Maintenance & Engineering Services Cell 513-607-1444 > 145 Hunter Dr. l Wilmington, OH l 45177 > www.airbornemx.com<http://www.airbornemx.com> > [cid:image001.png@01DA5DC7.CF4631D0]<http://www.airbornemx.com/> > > From: Framers bounces+julie.sigrist=airbornemx@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf > bounces+Of > Tammy Van Boening > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 2:49 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: [Framers] Table Footnote question > > So, I hope I can adequately describe the situation I am trying to > resolve. I have a table w/ a set table format (I call it > FieldTable_Title). Each of the column headers in this one instance of the table has to have a footnote reference. > There are 4 table columns, hence, four table footnotes. I have used > the Table Footnote feature to insert the automatically numbered > footnotes and yes, they do go after the table. Here's the rub: After > the 4th footnote, I want to start a new page of content. I hit the > Enter key at the end of the last table footnote and at the pilcrow, I > click HeadLev1 in my paragraph catalog to start w/ the new content > (and this tag is set to start on new page) and instead of a clean > break from the Table Footnotes, the last table footnote is brought > over to the top of the next page and AFTER this last table footnote, I > get the placeholder for HeadLev1. I have tried 8 ways from Sunday to > figure out how to "break free" from the hold of these Table Footnotes > and get a c lean break on starting new text, but everything that I am > trying keeps yanking the last footnote over to the next page. It's not behaving as I expect in FM where after you put in a hard return and then point and click to change the tag as needed. > > Help! > > TIA! > > Tammy Van Boening > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > www.spectrumwritingllc.com<http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com> > > > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question
Hi Julie, Great thought, but nope. It's not marked as Keep with Previous or Keep with Next. I know it has something to do w/ how FM handles table footnotes and wanting to keep them all together at the bottom of the table and it's really quirky and I used to know how to get around it, but for the life of me, I can't remember! Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf > Of Julie A. Sigrist > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 1:26 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question > > I do not use footnotes so this may not even apply, but is there a chance a > paragraph tag is set to keep with next paragraph? > > Julie Sigrist > Quality Assurance Associate Writer > Airborne Maintenance & Engineering Services Cell 513-607-1444 > 145 Hunter Dr. l Wilmington, OH l 45177 > www.airbornemx.com<http://www.airbornemx.com> > [cid:image001.png@01DA5DC7.CF4631D0]<http://www.airbornemx.com/> > > From: Framers bounces+julie.sigrist=airbornemx@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of > Tammy Van Boening > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 2:49 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: [Framers] Table Footnote question > > So, I hope I can adequately describe the situation I am trying to resolve. I > have > a table w/ a set table format (I call it FieldTable_Title). Each of the column > headers in this one instance of the table has to have a footnote reference. > There are 4 table columns, hence, four table footnotes. I have used the Table > Footnote feature to insert the automatically numbered footnotes and yes, > they do go after the table. Here's the rub: After the 4th footnote, I want to > start a new page of content. I hit the Enter key at the end of the last table > footnote and at the pilcrow, I click HeadLev1 in my paragraph catalog to start > w/ the new content (and this tag is set to start on new page) and instead of a > clean break from the Table Footnotes, the last table footnote is brought over > to the top of the next page and AFTER this last table footnote, I get the > placeholder for HeadLev1. I have tried 8 ways from Sunday to figure out how > to "break free" from the hold of these Table Footnotes and get a c lean break > on starting new text, but everything that I am trying keeps yanking the last > footnote over to the next page. It's not behaving as I expect in FM where > after > you put in a hard return and then point and click to change the tag as needed. > > Help! > > TIA! > > Tammy Van Boening > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > www.spectrumwritingllc.com<http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com> > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to > framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com<http://www.frameusers.com> > Archives located at http://www.mail- > archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/<http://www.mail- > archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com> > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers- > frameusers.com<http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers- > frameusers.com> > Send administrative questions to > listad...@frameusers.com<mailto:listad...@frameusers.com> > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.png > Type: image/png > Size: 8758 bytes > Desc: image001.png > URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers- > frameusers.com/attachments/20240212/513d221a/attachment.png> > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail- > archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers- > frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question
I do not use footnotes so this may not even apply, but is there a chance a paragraph tag is set to keep with next paragraph? Julie Sigrist Quality Assurance Associate Writer Airborne Maintenance & Engineering Services Cell 513-607-1444 145 Hunter Dr. l Wilmington, OH l 45177 www.airbornemx.com<http://www.airbornemx.com> [cid:image001.png@01DA5DC7.CF4631D0]<http://www.airbornemx.com/> From: Framers On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 2:49 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: [Framers] Table Footnote question So, I hope I can adequately describe the situation I am trying to resolve. I have a table w/ a set table format (I call it FieldTable_Title). Each of the column headers in this one instance of the table has to have a footnote reference. There are 4 table columns, hence, four table footnotes. I have used the Table Footnote feature to insert the automatically numbered footnotes and yes, they do go after the table. Here's the rub: After the 4th footnote, I want to start a new page of content. I hit the Enter key at the end of the last table footnote and at the pilcrow, I click HeadLev1 in my paragraph catalog to start w/ the new content (and this tag is set to start on new page) and instead of a clean break from the Table Footnotes, the last table footnote is brought over to the top of the next page and AFTER this last table footnote, I get the placeholder for HeadLev1. I have tried 8 ways from Sunday to figure out how to "break free" from the hold of these Table Footnotes and get a c lean break on starting new text, but everything that I am trying keeps yanking the last footnote over to the next page. It's not behaving as I expect in FM where after you put in a hard return and then point and click to change the tag as needed. Help! TIA! Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com<http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com<http://www.frameusers.com> Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com> Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com<http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com<mailto:listad...@frameusers.com> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8758 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers-frameusers.com/attachments/20240212/513d221a/attachment.png> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Table Footnote question
So, I hope I can adequately describe the situation I am trying to resolve. I have a table w/ a set table format (I call it FieldTable_Title). Each of the column headers in this one instance of the table has to have a footnote reference. There are 4 table columns, hence, four table footnotes. I have used the Table Footnote feature to insert the automatically numbered footnotes and yes, they do go after the table. Here's the rub: After the 4th footnote, I want to start a new page of content. I hit the Enter key at the end of the last table footnote and at the pilcrow, I click HeadLev1 in my paragraph catalog to start w/ the new content (and this tag is set to start on new page) and instead of a clean break from the Table Footnotes, the last table footnote is brought over to the top of the next page and AFTER this last table footnote, I get the placeholder for HeadLev1. I have tried 8 ways from Sunday to figure out how to "break free" from the hold of these Table Footnotes and get a c lean break on starting new text, but everything that I am trying keeps yanking the last footnote over to the next page. It's not behaving as I expect in FM where after you put in a hard return and then point and click to change the tag as needed. Help! TIA! Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
FrameMaker footnote question
How do you make a table footnote number bold, in the table itself and in the footnote below the table? When I click on the footnote itself, which is TableFootnote style, and go to the Paragraph Designer > Numbering tab, the Autonumber Format checkbox is cleared. But the footnote has a number. So I suppose the Paragraph Designer is not the place to change the number of the footnote. -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133
FrameMaker footnote question
How do you make a table footnote number bold, in the table itself and in the footnote below the table? When I click on the footnote itself, which is TableFootnote style, and go to the Paragraph Designer > Numbering tab, the Autonumber Format checkbox is cleared. But the footnote has a number. So I suppose the Paragraph Designer is not the place to change the number of the footnote. -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Footnote Question
Thanks Fred! It seems to obvious now. Joel On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: > Joel Wilhelm asked: > > > How do I get 2 locations to point to the same footnote? In other words I > > want 2 separate markers for the same footnote: > > The first footnote gets coded as a regular footnote. Additional references > to the same note get coded as cross-references to the footnote paragraph > using the $paranumonly building block and a character tag that applies > superscript formatting. > > -Fred Ridder > > >
Footnote Question
Joel Wilhelm asked: > How do I get 2 locations to point to the same footnote? In other words I > want 2 separate markers for the same footnote: The first footnote gets coded as a regular footnote. Additional references to the same note get coded as cross-references to the footnote paragraph using the $paranumonly building block and a character tag that applies superscript formatting. -Fred Ridder
Footnote Question
How do I get 2 locations to point to the same footnote? In other words I want 2 separate markers for the same footnote: text [1] text text text [1] (again) I hope that makes sense. Joel
Re: Footnote Question
Thanks Fred! It seems to obvious now. Joel On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Fred Ridder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joel Wilhelm asked: > > > How do I get 2 locations to point to the same footnote? In other words I > > want 2 separate markers for the same footnote: > > The first footnote gets coded as a regular footnote. Additional references > to the same note get coded as cross-references to the footnote paragraph > using the $paranumonly building block and a character tag that applies > superscript formatting. > > -Fred Ridder > > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Footnote Question
Joel Wilhelm asked: > How do I get 2 locations to point to the same footnote? In other words I > want 2 separate markers for the same footnote: The first footnote gets coded as a regular footnote. Additional references to the same note get coded as cross-references to the footnote paragraph using the $paranumonly building block and a character tag that applies superscript formatting. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Footnote Question
How do I get 2 locations to point to the same footnote? In other words I want 2 separate markers for the same footnote: text [1] text text text [1] (again) I hope that makes sense. Joel ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Table Footnote question
Thank you Jeremy. I wish this was spelled out explicitly in the OLH for Framemaker. It's not there and it's definitely not in the Adobe FM user's Guide either. I would never have thought to look under Table Designer for Footnotes - in fact, this behavior is not mentioned anywhere when you search on Table Footnotes. Argh. Thanks again, TVB Tammy Van Boening Senior Technical Writer Health Language, Inc. Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 www.healthlanguage.com -Original Message- From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:28 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: Tammy Van Boening Subject: Re: Table Footnote question On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:42:26 -0700, "Tammy Van Boening" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FM seems stuck on basing the numbers on columns! > >Any advice? Yes. Open the Table Designer for the table you're putting the footnotes into, and change the Numbering item on the right from Column First to Row First. Your footnotes will be renumbered accordingly. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ NOTICE BY HEALTH LANGUAGE, INC. This message, as well as any attached document, contains information from Health Language, Inc. that is confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message and its attachments, if any, destroy any hard copies you may have created, without disclosing the contents, and notify the sender immediately. Unless expressly stated otherwise, nothing contained in this message should be construed as a digital or electronic signature, nor is it intended to reflect an intention to make an agreement by electronic means. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Table Footnote question
Thank you Jeremy. I wish this was spelled out explicitly in the OLH for Framemaker. It's not there and it's definitely not in the Adobe FM user's Guide either. I would never have thought to look under Table Designer for Footnotes - in fact, this behavior is not mentioned anywhere when you search on Table Footnotes. Argh. Thanks again, TVB Tammy Van Boening Senior Technical Writer Health Language, Inc. Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 www.healthlanguage.com -Original Message- From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com] Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:28 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Cc: Tammy Van Boening Subject: Re: Table Footnote question On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:42:26 -0700, "Tammy Van Boening" wrote: > FM seems stuck on basing the numbers on columns! > >Any advice? Yes. Open the Table Designer for the table you're putting the footnotes into, and change the Numbering item on the right from Column First to Row First. Your footnotes will be renumbered accordingly. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ NOTICE BY HEALTH LANGUAGE, INC. This message, as well as any attached document, contains information from Health Language, Inc. that is confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message and its attachments, if any, destroy any hard copies you may have created, without disclosing the contents, and notify the sender immediately. Unless expressly stated otherwise, nothing contained in this message should be construed as a digital or electronic signature, nor is it intended to reflect an intention to make an agreement by electronic means.
Table Footnote question
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:42:26 -0700, "Tammy Van Boening" wrote: > FM seems stuck on basing the numbers on columns! > >Any advice? Yes. Open the Table Designer for the table you're putting the footnotes into, and change the Numbering item on the right from Column First to Row First. Your footnotes will be renumbered accordingly. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Re: Table Footnote question
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:42:26 -0700, "Tammy Van Boening" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FM seems stuck on basing the numbers on columns! > >Any advice? Yes. Open the Table Designer for the table you're putting the footnotes into, and change the Numbering item on the right from Column First to Row First. Your footnotes will be renumbered accordingly. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Table Footnote question
Ok, so, scrap the last statement - it's because of the fact that the footnotes are numbered based on the column on the page. On the first page of the table, the first footnote is placed in Col 3, the second, third, and fourth are placed in Col 4 and they are fine. The footnote on the SECOND page is placed in Col 1, so it becomes "1" and the others are renumbered accordingly - but that won't work - I don't want my users to have to scroll down to page 2 to see "1", then back up to page 1 to see "2", "3", and "4" - I want the footnote numbering to appear in the order a user would scan the page - left to right, then top to bottom as they read - and for the life of me, FM seems stuck on basing the numbers on columns! Any advice? TVB Tammy Van Boening Senior Technical Writer Health Language, Inc. Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 www.healthlanguage.com _ From: Tammy Van Boening Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:26 PM To: FrameUsers List (framers@lists.frameusers.com) Subject: Table Footnote question I have a table that spans more than two pages. I need to insert Footnotes into this table. I have scoured FM's OLH and can't find the answer to this question. When I insert footnotes on page 1 of 4 of the table, the footnotes are numbered based on the column on the page. For example, if I place a footnote in Col 1 on page 1 and it is footnote "1", then when I place a footnote in Col 2 of the table on page 1, it is numbered "2" as I would expect. However, if I then scroll down the page a bit and place a third footnote on page 1, but back in Col 1, this footnote is NOT numbered "3" - instead, it becomes "2" and what was footnote #2 now becomes footnote #3. Ok, I was wanting to place footnotes markers sequentially from left to right, top to bottom (the way people read my English manuals), but instead, it's top to bottom, then left to right the way FM does it - Fine, I will deal with that but what I can't figure out is the footnote numbering on the subsequent pages of the table. If I place footnote IN THE SAME TABLE, but on a different page, like Page #2, then the Footnote numbering starts over - instead of being #4, it is #1 again. ARGH! What is FM NOT recognizing the continuation of the footnotes as I am placing them in the same table? I have looked at Format > Document > Numbering for the doc. Specifically for Table Footnote, but there are no options like there are for just Footnote. I need to be able to add sequential footnotes across a multiple page table and for the life of me, since FM controls the footnote numbering (and the FM OLH makes that painfully clear), I am about to resort to manually numbering - but that would be a maintenance nightmare. TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Senior Technical Writer Health Language, Inc. Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 www.healthlanguage.com NOTICE BY HEALTH LANGUAGE, INC. This message, as well as any attached document, contains information from Health Language, Inc. that is confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message and its attachments, if any, destroy any hard copies you may have created, without disclosing the contents, and notify the sender immediately. Unless expressly stated otherwise, nothing contained in this message should be construed as a digital or electronic signature, nor is it intended to reflect an intention to make an agreement by electronic means. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Table Footnote question
I have a table that spans more than two pages. I need to insert Footnotes into this table. I have scoured FM's OLH and can't find the answer to this question. When I insert footnotes on page 1 of 4 of the table, the footnotes are numbered based on the column on the page. For example, if I place a footnote in Col 1 on page 1 and it is footnote "1", then when I place a footnote in Col 2 of the table on page 1, it is numbered "2" as I would expect. However, if I then scroll down the page a bit and place a third footnote on page 1, but back in Col 1, this footnote is NOT numbered "3" - instead, it becomes "2" and what was footnote #2 now becomes footnote #3. Ok, I was wanting to place footnotes markers sequentially from left to right, top to bottom (the way people read my English manuals), but instead, it's top to bottom, then left to right the way FM does it - Fine, I will deal with that but what I can't figure out is the footnote numbering on the subsequent pages of the table. If I place footnote IN THE SAME TABLE, but on a different page, like Page #2, then the Footnote numbering starts over - instead of being #4, it is #1 again. ARGH! What is FM NOT recognizing the continuation of the footnotes as I am placing them in the same table? I have looked at Format > Document > Numbering for the doc. Specifically for Table Footnote, but there are no options like there are for just Footnote. I need to be able to add sequential footnotes across a multiple page table and for the life of me, since FM controls the footnote numbering (and the FM OLH makes that painfully clear), I am about to resort to manually numbering - but that would be a maintenance nightmare. TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Senior Technical Writer Health Language, Inc. Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 www.healthlanguage.com NOTICE BY HEALTH LANGUAGE, INC. This message, as well as any attached document, contains information from Health Language, Inc. that is confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message and its attachments, if any, destroy any hard copies you may have created, without disclosing the contents, and notify the sender immediately. Unless expressly stated otherwise, nothing contained in this message should be construed as a digital or electronic signature, nor is it intended to reflect an intention to make an agreement by electronic means. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Table Footnote question
Ok, so, scrap the last statement - it's because of the fact that the footnotes are numbered based on the column on the page. On the first page of the table, the first footnote is placed in Col 3, the second, third, and fourth are placed in Col 4 and they are fine. The footnote on the SECOND page is placed in Col 1, so it becomes "1" and the others are renumbered accordingly - but that won't work - I don't want my users to have to scroll down to page 2 to see "1", then back up to page 1 to see "2", "3", and "4" - I want the footnote numbering to appear in the order a user would scan the page - left to right, then top to bottom as they read - and for the life of me, FM seems stuck on basing the numbers on columns! Any advice? TVB Tammy Van Boening Senior Technical Writer Health Language, Inc. Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 www.healthlanguage.com _ From: Tammy Van Boening Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:26 PM To: FrameUsers List (framers at lists.frameusers.com) Subject: Table Footnote question I have a table that spans more than two pages. I need to insert Footnotes into this table. I have scoured FM's OLH and can't find the answer to this question. When I insert footnotes on page 1 of 4 of the table, the footnotes are numbered based on the column on the page. For example, if I place a footnote in Col 1 on page 1 and it is footnote "1", then when I place a footnote in Col 2 of the table on page 1, it is numbered "2" as I would expect. However, if I then scroll down the page a bit and place a third footnote on page 1, but back in Col 1, this footnote is NOT numbered "3" - instead, it becomes "2" and what was footnote #2 now becomes footnote #3. Ok, I was wanting to place footnotes markers sequentially from left to right, top to bottom (the way people read my English manuals), but instead, it's top to bottom, then left to right the way FM does it - Fine, I will deal with that but what I can't figure out is the footnote numbering on the subsequent pages of the table. If I place footnote IN THE SAME TABLE, but on a different page, like Page #2, then the Footnote numbering starts over - instead of being #4, it is #1 again. ARGH! What is FM NOT recognizing the continuation of the footnotes as I am placing them in the same table? I have looked at Format > Document > Numbering for the doc. Specifically for Table Footnote, but there are no options like there are for just Footnote. I need to be able to add sequential footnotes across a multiple page table and for the life of me, since FM controls the footnote numbering (and the FM OLH makes that painfully clear), I am about to resort to manually numbering - but that would be a maintenance nightmare. TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Senior Technical Writer Health Language, Inc. Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 www.healthlanguage.com NOTICE BY HEALTH LANGUAGE, INC. This message, as well as any attached document, contains information from Health Language, Inc. that is confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message and its attachments, if any, destroy any hard copies you may have created, without disclosing the contents, and notify the sender immediately. Unless expressly stated otherwise, nothing contained in this message should be construed as a digital or electronic signature, nor is it intended to reflect an intention to make an agreement by electronic means.
Table Footnote question
I have a table that spans more than two pages. I need to insert Footnotes into this table. I have scoured FM's OLH and can't find the answer to this question. When I insert footnotes on page 1 of 4 of the table, the footnotes are numbered based on the column on the page. For example, if I place a footnote in Col 1 on page 1 and it is footnote "1", then when I place a footnote in Col 2 of the table on page 1, it is numbered "2" as I would expect. However, if I then scroll down the page a bit and place a third footnote on page 1, but back in Col 1, this footnote is NOT numbered "3" - instead, it becomes "2" and what was footnote #2 now becomes footnote #3. Ok, I was wanting to place footnotes markers sequentially from left to right, top to bottom (the way people read my English manuals), but instead, it's top to bottom, then left to right the way FM does it - Fine, I will deal with that but what I can't figure out is the footnote numbering on the subsequent pages of the table. If I place footnote IN THE SAME TABLE, but on a different page, like Page #2, then the Footnote numbering starts over - instead of being #4, it is #1 again. ARGH! What is FM NOT recognizing the continuation of the footnotes as I am placing them in the same table? I have looked at Format > Document > Numbering for the doc. Specifically for Table Footnote, but there are no options like there are for just Footnote. I need to be able to add sequential footnotes across a multiple page table and for the life of me, since FM controls the footnote numbering (and the FM OLH makes that painfully clear), I am about to resort to manually numbering - but that would be a maintenance nightmare. TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Senior Technical Writer Health Language, Inc. Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 www.healthlanguage.com NOTICE BY HEALTH LANGUAGE, INC. This message, as well as any attached document, contains information from Health Language, Inc. that is confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message and its attachments, if any, destroy any hard copies you may have created, without disclosing the contents, and notify the sender immediately. Unless expressly stated otherwise, nothing contained in this message should be construed as a digital or electronic signature, nor is it intended to reflect an intention to make an agreement by electronic means.
