From DocBook to FrameMaker
On 7/8/10 12:50 PM, LW White wrote: The difficult part is taking the EDD and putting in your formatting rules. Once you do that it works great. Also, you can convert a flat document to structured. I've played with that, and once you figure it out its golden. Though for a single document, it would be easier to simply open the FM files in Structured FrameMaker and add the structure there. Scott > > Hi Mathieu, > > Frame ships with a DocBook structured application. ([Frame installation > folder]\structure\sgml\docbook\app) which includes the EDD and a starter > template. So, what you would do is basically open your DocBook files using > the DocBook structured app, which is called something like DocBook 2.1. (When > you open the file, Frame will detect the DOCTYPE declaration for the doc and > display a window where you can select the structured app you want to use to > open it.) You may need to do some clean-up and you'll need to edit the > template to give the docs the look and feel within Frame that you want. You > might also need to edit the rules if you have any roundtripping requirements > that they don't already cover. Although the EDD is already created for you, > you might also need to edit it, as it not only defines the structure but also > "matches" each element within context to the appropriate Frame format. If > you're going to use Frame at all for this, then yes, you must use the > structured vers io > n if you want to preserve the structure of the documents. > > How much work required to turn an unstructured Frame doc into a structured > one depends on a lot of things. If the document faithfully follows a > template, it will be much simpler because conversion tools can match formats > to elements in a predictible way. The Frame conversion table is a built-in > method, but there are a number of third-party tools as well. If the document > does not follow a template, the work is more difficult and largely manual, > though there are some tools that can find and convert on manually-applied > formatting vs. formatting applied via a template style. > > There are several good "getting started" videos and PDFs at > http://www.adobe.com/support/framemaker/. A great resource is the Structure > Application Developer Guide. Unfortunately, it has not been updated for Frame > 9 as far as I am aware, but the Frame 8 version is still very useful. Find it > at http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/structapp_dev.pdf. There is > also a Structure Application Developer Reference Guide guide at > http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/structapp_dev_ref.pdf. > > Best, > Leigh > > > > On 7/7/2010 8:56 AM, mathieu jacquet wrote: >> Hi everybody, >> >> I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9. >> >> I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've >> also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the >> proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question >> is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it >> require to achieve that nicely ? Also, is it mandatory to use structured FM >> for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an unstructured >> "light" FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a structured one ? >> >> Thank you all for your valuable expertise, >> Mathieu. > _ > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as quills at airmail.net. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/quills%40airmail.net > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Re: From DocBook to FrameMaker
Hi Mathieu, Frame ships with a DocBook structured application. ([Frame installation folder]\structure\sgml\docbook\app) which includes the EDD and a starter template. So, what you would do is basically open your DocBook files using the DocBook structured app, which is called something like DocBook 2.1. (When you open the file, Frame will detect the DOCTYPE declaration for the doc and display a window where you can select the structured app you want to use to open it.) You may need to do some clean-up and you'll need to edit the template to give the docs the look and feel within Frame that you want. You might also need to edit the rules if you have any roundtripping requirements that they don't already cover. Although the EDD is already created for you, you might also need to edit it, as it not only defines the structure but also matches each element within context to the appropriate Frame format. If you're going to use Frame at all for this, then yes, you must use the structured versio n if you want to preserve the structure of the documents. How much work required to turn an unstructured Frame doc into a structured one depends on a lot of things. If the document faithfully follows a template, it will be much simpler because conversion tools can match formats to elements in a predictible way. The Frame conversion table is a built-in method, but there are a number of third-party tools as well. If the document does not follow a template, the work is more difficult and largely manual, though there are some tools that can find and convert on manually-applied formatting vs. formatting applied via a template style. There are several good getting started videos and PDFs at http://www.adobe.com/support/framemaker/. A great resource is the Structure Application Developer Guide. Unfortunately, it has not been updated for Frame 9 as far as I am aware, but the Frame 8 version is still very useful. Find it at http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/structapp_dev.pdf. There is also a Structure Application Developer Reference Guide guide at http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/structapp_dev_ref.pdf. Best, Leigh On 7/7/2010 8:56 AM, mathieu jacquet wrote: Hi everybody, I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9. I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it require to achieve that nicely ? Also, is it mandatory to use structured FM for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an unstructured light FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a structured one ? Thank you all for your valuable expertise, Mathieu. _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: From DocBook to FrameMaker
On 7/8/10 12:50 PM, LW White wrote: The difficult part is taking the EDD and putting in your formatting rules. Once you do that it works great. Also, you can convert a flat document to structured. I've played with that, and once you figure it out its golden. Though for a single document, it would be easier to simply open the FM files in Structured FrameMaker and add the structure there. Scott Hi Mathieu, Frame ships with a DocBook structured application. ([Frame installation folder]\structure\sgml\docbook\app) which includes the EDD and a starter template. So, what you would do is basically open your DocBook files using the DocBook structured app, which is called something like DocBook 2.1. (When you open the file, Frame will detect the DOCTYPE declaration for the doc and display a window where you can select the structured app you want to use to open it.) You may need to do some clean-up and you'll need to edit the template to give the docs the look and feel within Frame that you want. You might also need to edit the rules if you have any roundtripping requirements that they don't already cover. Although the EDD is already created for you, you might also need to edit it, as it not only defines the structure but also matches each element within context to the appropriate Frame format. If you're going to use Frame at all for this, then yes, you must use the structured vers io n if you want to preserve the structure of the documents. How much work required to turn an unstructured Frame doc into a structured one depends on a lot of things. If the document faithfully follows a template, it will be much simpler because conversion tools can match formats to elements in a predictible way. The Frame conversion table is a built-in method, but there are a number of third-party tools as well. If the document does not follow a template, the work is more difficult and largely manual, though there are some tools that can find and convert on manually-applied formatting vs. formatting applied via a template style. There are several good getting started videos and PDFs at http://www.adobe.com/support/framemaker/. A great resource is the Structure Application Developer Guide. Unfortunately, it has not been updated for Frame 9 as far as I am aware, but the Frame 8 version is still very useful. Find it at http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/structapp_dev.pdf. There is also a Structure Application Developer Reference Guide guide at http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/structapp_dev_ref.pdf. Best, Leigh On 7/7/2010 8:56 AM, mathieu jacquet wrote: Hi everybody, I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9. I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it require to achieve that nicely ? Also, is it mandatory to use structured FM for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an unstructured light FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a structured one ? Thank you all for your valuable expertise, Mathieu. _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as qui...@airmail.net. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/quills%40airmail.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
From DocBook to FrameMaker
Hi Mathieu, Frame ships with a DocBook structured application. ([Frame installation folder]\structure\sgml\docbook\app) which includes the EDD and a starter template. So, what you would do is basically open your DocBook files using the DocBook structured app, which is called something like DocBook 2.1. (When you open the file, Frame will detect the DOCTYPE declaration for the doc and display a window where you can select the structured app you want to use to open it.) You may need to do some clean-up and you'll need to edit the template to give the docs the look and feel within Frame that you want. You might also need to edit the rules if you have any roundtripping requirements that they don't already cover. Although the EDD is already created for you, you might also need to edit it, as it not only defines the structure but also "matches" each element within context to the appropriate Frame format. If you're going to use Frame at all for this, then yes, you must use the structured version if you want to preserve the structure of the documents. How much work required to turn an unstructured Frame doc into a structured one depends on a lot of things. If the document faithfully follows a template, it will be much simpler because conversion tools can match formats to elements in a predictible way. The Frame conversion table is a built-in method, but there are a number of third-party tools as well. If the document does not follow a template, the work is more difficult and largely manual, though there are some tools that can find and convert on manually-applied formatting vs. formatting applied via a template style. There are several good "getting started" videos and PDFs at http://www.adobe.com/support/framemaker/. A great resource is the Structure Application Developer Guide. Unfortunately, it has not been updated for Frame 9 as far as I am aware, but the Frame 8 version is still very useful. Find it at http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/structapp_dev.pdf. There is also a Structure Application Developer Reference Guide guide at http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/structapp_dev_ref.pdf. Best, Leigh On 7/7/2010 8:56 AM, mathieu jacquet wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9. > > I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've > also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the > proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question > is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it > require to achieve that nicely ? Also, is it mandatory to use structured FM > for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an unstructured > "light" FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a structured one ? > > Thank you all for your valuable expertise, > Mathieu. _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3
From DocBook to FrameMaker
Hi everybody, I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9. I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it require to achieve that nicely ? Also, is it mandatory to use structured FM for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an unstructured light FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a structured one ? Thank you all for your valuable expertise, Mathieu. _ Messenger arrive enfin sur iPhone ! Venez le télécharger gratuitement ! http://www.messengersurvotremobile.com/?d=iPhone ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: From DocBook to FrameMaker
Well, I have not been clear enough. We actually have a lot of content in DocBook, and very little in unstructured FM (one book only, 3 chapters, about 75 pages) so far. The thing is, if we need structured FM to import DocBook files, then I'd like also to turn my unstructured book into a structured one, for the whole documentation to be consistent. Cheers, Mathieu. Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 08:30:16 -0500 Subject: Re: From DocBook to FrameMaker From: chinask...@gmail.com To: bobi...@hotmail.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com If it's that little content I would bring it in as plain text and reformat as you go. It wouldn't be the trendy way to do it but you would probably spend less time doing it that way than messing with EDDs. On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:56 AM, mathieu jacquet bobi...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everybody, I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9. I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it require to achieve that nicely ? Also, is it mandatory to use structured FM for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an unstructured light FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a structured one ? Thank you all for your valuable expertise, Mathieu. _ Messenger arrive enfin sur iPhone ! Venez le télécharger gratuitement ! http://www.messengersurvotremobile.com/?d=iPhone ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dr_go...@pobox.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dr_gonzo%40pobox.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Steve Johnson, dr_go...@pobox.com _ Exclu : Téléchargez la nouvelle version de Messenger ! http://clk.atdmt.com/FRM/go/244627952/direct/01/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: From DocBook to FrameMaker
Hi everybody, I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9. I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it require to achieve that nicely ? Do you want to use structured Frame to edit DocBook? Do a web search for use structured Frame to edit DocBook. Also, is it mandatory to use structured FM for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an unstructured light FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a structured one ? It depends how complex the document is. A rough guestimate is 5 days just to get it in structure form. What are your requirements for publishing it? Thank you all for your valuable expertise, Mathieu. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: From DocBook to FrameMaker
If it's that little content I would bring it in as plain text and reformat as you go. It wouldn't be the trendy way to do it but you would probably spend less time doing it that way than messing with EDDs. On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:56 AM, mathieu jacquet bobi...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everybody, I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9. I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it require to achieve that nicely ? Also, is it mandatory to use structured FM for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an unstructured light FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a structured one ? Thank you all for your valuable expertise, Mathieu. _ Messenger arrive enfin sur iPhone ! Venez le télécharger gratuitement ! http://www.messengersurvotremobile.com/?d=iPhone ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dr_go...@pobox.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dr_gonzo%40pobox.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Steve Johnson, dr_go...@pobox.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: From DocBook to FrameMaker
My post might be unclear because I do not know neither DocBook nor structured Frame. I created a Getting Started Guide in unstructured Frame. As said before, it is really light (cover, TOC, LOF, LOT, 3 chapters). The client is very happy with styles, content, etc. Now, he is telling me that his/her developers have a lot of content in DocBook format. He would like this content to be imported in Frame, for a PDF to be produced from it using the styles I created in my unstructured FM doc. He would also like my Frame content (I am now working on user guides and so on) to be converted into DocBook format (well, XML, or even HTML format) for insertion into their Confluence Wiki. In a word, he would like: . me to write in Frame to produce my own documentation, then export it into PDF and XML/HTML for insertion into their Confluence Wiki. . his/her developers to produce their own documentation (when too technical for me) in their Confluence Wiki (DocBook or DITA format, he told me), then import it in my FM doc (as appendixes for example). So what would be the best solution for me and them ? For me, just generate what I produced in flat FrameMaker as XML or HTML, and have them insert the HTML content into their Confluence wiki using the proper CSS ? For them, just give me their content, which I would copy as plain text in my flat FM files, then apply required FM styles and generate the PDF ? Thank you all for your help, Mathieu. Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:29:33 -0400 Subject: Re: From DocBook to FrameMaker From: bjloc...@lockie.ca CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com Hi everybody, I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9. I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it require to achieve that nicely ? Do you want to use structured Frame to edit DocBook? Do a web search for use structured Frame to edit DocBook. Also, is it mandatory to use structured FM for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an unstructured light FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a structured one ? It depends how complex the document is. A rough guestimate is 5 days just to get it in structure form. What are your requirements for publishing it? Thank you all for your valuable expertise, Mathieu. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as bobi...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bobitch%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. _ Allumez et éteignez votre PC en un instant avec Windows 7 ! http://clk.atdmt.com/FRM/go/238030931/direct/01/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: From DocBook to FrameMaker
I really don't know docbook, but *if* you can export it as a .doc file or .rtf, you can open it straight in frame. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 07-Jul-10 4:30 PM, Steve Johnson wrote: If it's that little content I would bring it in as plain text and reformat as you go. It wouldn't be the trendy way to do it but you would probably spend less time doing it that way than messing with EDDs. On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:56 AM, mathieu jacquetbobi...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everybody, I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9. I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it require to achieve that nicely ? Also, is it mandatory to use structured FM for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an unstructured light FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a structured one ? Thank you all for your valuable expertise, Mathieu. _ Messenger arrive enfin sur iPhone ! Venez le télécharger gratuitement ! http://www.messengersurvotremobile.com/?d=iPhone ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dr_go...@pobox.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dr_gonzo%40pobox.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: From DocBook to FrameMaker
On 7/7/2010 8:56 AM, mathieu jacquet wrote: Hi everybody, I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9. I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it require to achieve that nicely ? Also, is it mandatory to use structured FM for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an unstructured light FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a structured one ? Thank you all for your valuable expertise, Mathieu. I have put together an omnibus EDD from each DocBook 4.5 and 5.0 DTDs. I was very recently playing around with the 4.5 version while converting the HTML files for the Definite Guide for 4.5 and another document from Sagehill. Both of those documents use a fair amount of DocBook's elements, so that they can be decent examples for playing around with DB 4.5 Structured FrameMaker. You can use IE to make copies of the HTML documents, import them into Word 2007 or 2010, and export them as RTF files to import into FrameMaker without any problem. Then you can go on from there using a conversion table to lend structure to those files after importing the elements from the EDD file. Really quite simple, BTW, as long as you know how to go about it. Gary -- Gary Schnabl Southwest Detroit, two miles NORTH! of Canada--Windsor, that is... ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
From DocBook to FrameMaker
Hi everybody, I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9. I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it require to achieve that nicely ? Also, is it mandatory to use structured FM for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an unstructured "light" FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a structured one ? Thank you all for your valuable expertise, Mathieu. _ Messenger arrive enfin sur iPhone ! Venez le t?l?charger gratuitement ! http://www.messengersurvotremobile.com/?d=iPhone
From DocBook to FrameMaker
Well, I have not been clear enough. We actually have a lot of content in DocBook, and very little in unstructured FM (one book only, 3 chapters, about 75 pages) so far. The thing is, if we need structured FM to import DocBook files, then I'd like also to turn my unstructured book into a structured one, for the whole documentation to be consistent. Cheers, Mathieu. > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 08:30:16 -0500 > Subject: Re: From DocBook to FrameMaker > From: chinaski69 at gmail.com > To: bobitch at hotmail.com > CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > If it's that little content I would bring it in as plain text and > reformat as you go. It wouldn't be the trendy way to do it but you > would probably spend less time doing it that way than messing with > EDDs. > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:56 AM, mathieu jacquet > wrote: > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9. > > > > I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've > > also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the > > proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question > > is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it > > require to achieve that nicely ? Also, is it mandatory to use structured FM > > for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an > > unstructured "light" FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a > > structured one ? > > > > Thank you all for your valuable expertise, > > Mathieu. > > > > _ > > Messenger arrive enfin sur iPhone ! Venez le t?l?charger gratuitement ! > > http://www.messengersurvotremobile.com/?d=iPhone > > ___ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as dr_gonzo at pobox.com. > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > or visit > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dr_gonzo%40pobox.com > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > > > > -- > > Steve Johnson, dr_gonzo at pobox.com _ Exclu?: T?l?chargez la nouvelle version de Messenger ! http://clk.atdmt.com/FRM/go/244627952/direct/01/
From DocBook to FrameMaker
> > Hi everybody, > > I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9. > > I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've > also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the > proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question > is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it > require to achieve that nicely ? Do you want to use structured Frame to edit DocBook? Do a web search for "use structured Frame to edit DocBook". > Also, is it mandatory to use structured > FM for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an > unstructured "light" FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a > structured one ? It depends how complex the document is. A rough guestimate is 5 days just to get it in structure form. What are your requirements for publishing it? > > Thank you all for your valuable expertise, > Mathieu.
From DocBook to FrameMaker
If it's that little content I would bring it in as plain text and reformat as you go. It wouldn't be the trendy way to do it but you would probably spend less time doing it that way than messing with EDDs. On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:56 AM, mathieu jacquet wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9. > > I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've > also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the > proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question > is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it > require to achieve that nicely ? Also, is it mandatory to use structured FM > for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an unstructured > "light" FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a structured one ? > > Thank you all for your valuable expertise, > Mathieu. > > _ > Messenger arrive enfin sur iPhone ! Venez le t?l?charger gratuitement ! > http://www.messengersurvotremobile.com/?d=iPhone > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as dr_gonzo at pobox.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dr_gonzo%40pobox.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Steve Johnson, dr_gonzo at pobox.com
From DocBook to FrameMaker
My post might be unclear because I do not know neither DocBook nor structured Frame. I created a Getting Started Guide in unstructured Frame. As said before, it is really light (cover, TOC, LOF, LOT, 3 chapters). The client is very happy with styles, content, etc. Now, he is telling me that his/her developers have a lot of content in DocBook format. He would like this content to be imported in Frame, for a PDF to be produced from it using the styles I created in my unstructured FM doc. He would also like my Frame content (I am now working on user guides and so on) to be converted into DocBook format (well, XML, or even HTML format) for insertion into their Confluence Wiki. In a word, he would like: . me to write in Frame to produce my own documentation, then export it into PDF and XML/HTML for insertion into their Confluence Wiki. . his/her developers to produce their own documentation (when too technical for me) in their Confluence Wiki (DocBook or DITA format, he told me), then import it in my FM doc (as appendixes for example). So what would be the best solution for me and them ? For me, just generate what I produced in flat FrameMaker as XML or HTML, and have them insert the HTML content into their Confluence wiki using the proper CSS ? For them, just give me their content, which I would copy as plain text in my flat FM files, then apply required FM styles and generate the PDF ? Thank you all for your help, Mathieu. > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:29:33 -0400 > Subject: Re: From DocBook to FrameMaker > From: bjlockie at lockie.ca > CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9. > > > > I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've > > also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the > > proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question > > is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it > > require to achieve that nicely ? > > Do you want to use structured Frame to edit DocBook? > Do a web search for "use structured Frame to edit DocBook". > > > > Also, is it mandatory to use structured > > FM for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an > > unstructured "light" FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a > > structured one ? > > It depends how complex the document is. > A rough guestimate is 5 days just to get it in structure form. > > What are your requirements for publishing it? > > > > Thank you all for your valuable expertise, > > Mathieu. > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as bobitch at hotmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bobitch%40hotmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. _ Allumez et ?teignez votre PC en un instant avec Windows 7 ! http://clk.atdmt.com/FRM/go/238030931/direct/01/
From DocBook to FrameMaker
I really don't know docbook, but *if* you can export it as a .doc file or .rtf, you can open it straight in frame. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 07-Jul-10 4:30 PM, Steve Johnson wrote: > If it's that little content I would bring it in as plain text and > reformat as you go. It wouldn't be the trendy way to do it but you > would probably spend less time doing it that way than messing with > EDDs. > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:56 AM, mathieu jacquet > wrote: > >> Hi everybody, >> >> I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9. >> >> I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've >> also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the >> proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question >> is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it >> require to achieve that nicely ? Also, is it mandatory to use structured FM >> for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an unstructured >> "light" FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a structured one ? >> >> Thank you all for your valuable expertise, >> Mathieu. >> >> _ >> Messenger arrive enfin sur iPhone ! Venez le t?l?charger gratuitement ! >> http://www.messengersurvotremobile.com/?d=iPhone >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to framers as dr_gonzo at pobox.com. >> >> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >> or visit >> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dr_gonzo%40pobox.com >> >> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >> >> > > >
From DocBook to FrameMaker
On 7/7/2010 8:56 AM, mathieu jacquet wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9. > > I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've > also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the > proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question > is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it > require to achieve that nicely ? Also, is it mandatory to use structured FM > for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an unstructured > "light" FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a structured one ? > > Thank you all for your valuable expertise, > Mathieu. I have put together an omnibus EDD from each DocBook 4.5 and 5.0 DTDs. I was very recently playing around with the 4.5 version while converting the HTML files for the Definite Guide for 4.5 and another document from Sagehill. Both of those documents use a fair amount of DocBook's elements, so that they can be decent examples for playing around with DB 4.5 Structured FrameMaker. You can use IE to make copies of the HTML documents, import them into Word 2007 or 2010, and export them as RTF files to import into FrameMaker without any problem. Then you can go on from there using a conversion table to lend structure to those files after importing the elements from the EDD file. Really quite simple, BTW, as long as you know how to go about it. Gary -- Gary Schnabl Southwest Detroit, two miles NORTH! of Canada--Windsor, that is...
