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RE: Which FMaker version?

2011-09-20 Thread Deanna Korth

Art,

Why do you suggest to upgrading Acrobat to X? I'm using FrameMaker 7.2 and 
looking to upgrade to FrameMaker 10 for 64-bit support. I use Acrobat 7.0 
Professional for sending commenting-enabled PDF files made from FrameMaker 
source files out for review. My understanding of Frame 10 is that you can 
created commenting-enabled PDF files. Do I need Acrobat X?

Thanks,

Deanna.

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Subject: Re: Which FMaker version?

I'd go a little further.

If you're in production and want the fewest problems, go with the
current release, 10.

You really don't have a choice, but the good news is that it's built
to run well on W7 (and does, most of the time), and has a number of
tools and features that make writing life easier. DO NOT try to cut a
corner and skip upgrading Acrobat (assuming you use the full version)
to X.

Do look into FM's new licensing / maintenance / upgrade program...

Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
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On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Steve Rickaby
srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk wrote:
 At 02:04 + 12/8/11, visualbis...@comcast.net wrote:

What are the general thoughts from this community? What are the PROs and 
CONs? What should I recommend? We are a small startup business (check out 
http://www.agilyx.comwww.agilyx.com), and have to keep an eye on the 
budget, but we want to create professional results in everything we do.

 As Peter suggested, older version would only be occasionally available from 
 the likes of eBay. However, I went to FrameMaker 7 on Mac via that route and 
 it gave me no problems. At some point I will try to go to v 8 for Windows via 
 the same route, when I upgrade my main Mac to one of the Intel-based models.

 I have no direct experience of versions after 7, but others have said they 
 prefer FrameMaker 8. v 9 introduced the new Adobe-style palette-based UI, to 
 general derision, but DITA support got better across 8 - 9 - 10. 
 Conditional text was improved significantly with one of the version later 
 than 7 to allow the use of Boolean conditions, but I'm not sure whether those 
 came in with v 8 or v 9.

 If you don't need DITA/structure, consider looking for a second-hand full 
 copy of FrameMaker 8, but see what other opinions you get.

 --
 Steve
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I recommended it because Acrobat X works better (IMHO, of course) in
the 64-bit environment and also is more tightly integrated with Frame
-- for instance, you should be able to round-trip those comments, not
just pull them out.

Also, there were a number of typography related bugs that have been
fixed over the years and it's got a different suite of tools.

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On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Deanna Korth deanna.ko...@wausaufs.com wrote:
Art,

Why do you suggest to upgrading Acrobat to X? I'm using FrameMaker 7.2 and
looking to upgrade to FrameMaker 10 for 64-bit support. I use Acrobat 7.0
Professional for sending commenting-enabled PDF files made from FrameMaker
source files out for review. My understanding of Frame 10 is that you can
created commenting-enabled PDF files. Do I need Acrobat X?

Thanks,

Deanna.

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Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 6:29 AM
To: visualbis...@comcast.net; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Which FMaker version?

I'd go a little further.

If you're in production and want the fewest problems, go with the
current release, 10.

You really don't have a choice, but the good news is that it's built
to run well on W7 (and does, most of the time), and has a number of
tools and features that make writing life easier. DO NOT try to cut a
corner and skip upgrading Acrobat (assuming you use the full version)
to X.

Do look into FM's new licensing / maintenance / upgrade program...

Art Campbell
art.campb...@gmail.com
... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
No disclaimers apply.
DoD 358

I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Steve Rickaby
srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk wrote:
At 02:04 + 12/8/11, visualbis...@comcast.net wrote:

What are the general thoughts from this community? What are the PROs and
CONs? What should I recommend? We are a small startup business (check out
http://www.agilyx.comwww.agilyx.com), and have to keep an eye on the
budget, but we want to create professional results in everything we do.

As Peter suggested, older version would only be occasionally available from
the likes of eBay. However, I went to FrameMaker 7 on Mac via that route and
it gave me no problems. At some point I will try to go to v 8 for Windows
via the same route, when I upgrade my main Mac to one of the Intel-based
models.

I have no direct experience of versions after 7, but others have said they
prefer FrameMaker 8. v 9 introduced the new Adobe-style palette-based UI, to
general derision, but DITA support got better across 8 - 9 - 10.
Conditional text was improved significantly with one of the version later
than 7 to allow the use of Boolean conditions, but I'm not sure whether
those came in with v 8 or v 9.

If you don't need DITA/structure, consider looking for a second-hand full
copy of FrameMaker 8, but see what other opinions you get.

--
Steve
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RE: Which FMaker version?

2011-08-13 Thread Peter Hirons

I strongly suspect that you will not be able to buy anything other than the 
latest version through the normal channels. Most software companies insist that 
their dealers withdraw the old version when the new on comes along.

 

You might find an older version from a back-street box shifter or from 
somewhere like eBay, but support may be difficult.

 

In any case you should go for the latest – you don’t need to use Structured – 
and keep your documents simple until you feel confident to go for the more 
advanced features.

 

You should also get some training – minimal for you, but not for anyone with no 
prior knowledge of FM.  The “Classroom in a Book” series are good if you can’t 
get to formal training.

 

Peter

 

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Subject: Which FMaker version?

 

My manager has finally gotten frustrated enough with Word to check into buying 
FrameMaker. She asked me what version would be best for us, and I'm not sure 
what to tell her. I have used FM 5 and FM 7 a lot, FM 8 a bit, and have no 
experience with FM 10. At this point we are building basic documents, but we 
would like to have better control over the formatting, and be able to use 
conditional text. I don't foresee us using the structured version, or any of 
the fancy additions to the later versions. But I don't want to saddle us with 
a dinosaur, either.

 

What are the general thoughts from this community? What are the PROs and 
CONs? What should I recommend? We are a small startup business (check out 
www.agilyx.com), and have to keep an eye on the budget, but we want to create 
professional results in everything we do. 

 

We are using Windows 7 and Office 2010, on a variety of Dell laptops.

 

Thoughts? Please reply to me directly, as I am only receiving the digest right 
now.

 

Thanks!

 

Debbie in Oregon

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Re: Which FMaker version?

2011-08-13 Thread Steve Rickaby

At 02:04 + 12/8/11, visualbis...@comcast.net wrote:

What are the general thoughts from this community? What are the PROs and 
CONs? What should I recommend? We are a small startup business (check out 
http://www.agilyx.comwww.agilyx.com), and have to keep an eye on the budget, 
but we want to create professional results in everything we do.

As Peter suggested, older version would only be occasionally available from the 
likes of eBay. However, I went to FrameMaker 7 on Mac via that route and it 
gave me no problems. At some point I will try to go to v 8 for Windows via the 
same route, when I upgrade my main Mac to one of the Intel-based models.

I have no direct experience of versions after 7, but others have said they 
prefer FrameMaker 8. v 9 introduced the new Adobe-style palette-based UI, to 
general derision, but DITA support got better across 8 - 9 - 10. Conditional 
text was improved significantly with one of the version later than 7 to allow 
the use of Boolean conditions, but I'm not sure whether those came in with v 8 
or v 9.

If you don't need DITA/structure, consider looking for a second-hand full copy 
of FrameMaker 8, but see what other opinions you get.

-- 
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Re: Which FMaker version?

2011-08-13 Thread Art Campbell

I'd go a little further.

If you're in production and want the fewest problems, go with the
current release, 10.

Do look into FM's new licensing / maintenance / upgrade program...

Art Campbell
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On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Steve Rickaby
srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk wrote:
At 02:04 + 12/8/11, visualbis...@comcast.net wrote:

As Peter suggested, older version would only be occasionally available from
the likes of eBay. However, I went to FrameMaker 7 on Mac via that route and
it gave me no problems. At some point I will try to go to v 8 for Windows via
the same route, when I upgrade my main Mac to one of the Intel-based models.

If you don't need DITA/structure, consider looking for a second-hand full
copy of FrameMaker 8, but see what other opinions you get.

--
Steve
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Re: Which FMaker version?

2011-08-13 Thread Stuart Rogers


On 11/08/2011 10:04 PM, visualbis...@comcast.net wrote:

My manager has finally gotten frustrated enough with Word to check into
buying FrameMaker.


What took so long?  ;-)

She asked me what version would be best for us, and

I'm not sure what to tell her. I have used FM 5 and FM 7 a lot, FM 8 a
bit, and have no experience with FM 10. At this point we are building
basic documents, but we would like to have better control over the
formatting, and be able to use conditional text. I don't foresee us
using the structured version, or any of the fancy additions to the
later versions. But I don't want to saddle us with a dinosaur, either.

What are the general thoughts from this community? What are the PROs
and CONs? What should I recommend? We are a small startup business
(check out www.agilyx.com http://www.agilyx.com), and have to keep an
eye on the budget, but we want to create professional results in
everything we do.

We are using Windows 7 and Office 2010, on a variety of Dell laptops.



I'd recommend the latest version, as anything else is already 'a 
dinosaur' in relation to the latest operating systems, drivers, etc.


So definitely FM10, but you should also look into TCS 3.0.  In that 
single bundle you get FM, Robohelp, Captivate, Photoshop, Bridge, 
Acrobat, LiveCycle (maybe; I got it in TCS 2, but is not mentioned in 
TCS 3 blurbs) for much less than the cost of the individual programs. 
You will need not just FM but Acrobat and a graphics editor like 
Photoshop at a minimum anyway; if you will be doing online Help or 
animated demos, then RoboHelp and Captivate are proven tools for those 
purposes.


If Adobe offers a maintenance plan that includes product updates, it 
would be worth investigating that, too.


HTH,

Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Ltd.
Toronto
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Re: Which FMaker version?

2011-08-13 Thread Matt Sullivan

Yes, the TCS is the most cost effective way to go, and the maintenance plan is 
now referred to as the Improved Upgrade Plan. It is the same cost, but now 
includes Bronze Level tech support as well. The upgrade plan will save you 
roughly half on your future upgrades. As an example, I just got my download for 
TCS 3.5, which includes Captivate 5.5.

-Matt

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roundpeg, inc.
m...@roundpeg.com
714 960-6840

On Aug 13, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Stuart Rogers srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com 
wrote:

 On 11/08/2011 10:04 PM, visualbis...@comcast.net wrote:
 My manager has finally gotten frustrated enough with Word to check into
 buying FrameMaker.
 
 What took so long?  ;-)
 
 She asked me what version would be best for us, and
 I'm not sure what to tell her. I have used FM 5 and FM 7 a lot, FM 8 a
 bit, and have no experience with FM 10. At this point we are building
 basic documents, but we would like to have better control over the
 formatting, and be able to use conditional text. I don't foresee us
 using the structured version, or any of the fancy additions to the
 later versions. But I don't want to saddle us with a dinosaur, either.
 
 What are the general thoughts from this community? What are the PROs
 and CONs? What should I recommend? We are a small startup business
 (check out www.agilyx.com http://www.agilyx.com), and have to keep an
 eye on the budget, but we want to create professional results in
 everything we do.
 
 We are using Windows 7 and Office 2010, on a variety of Dell laptops.
 
 
 I'd recommend the latest version, as anything else is already 'a dinosaur' in 
 relation to the latest operating systems, drivers, etc.
 
 So definitely FM10, but you should also look into TCS 3.0.  In that single 
 bundle you get FM, Robohelp, Captivate, Photoshop, Bridge, Acrobat, LiveCycle 
 (maybe; I got it in TCS 2, but is not mentioned in TCS 3 blurbs) for much 
 less than the cost of the individual programs. You will need not just FM but 
 Acrobat and a graphics editor like Photoshop at a minimum anyway; if you will 
 be doing online Help or animated demos, then RoboHelp and Captivate are 
 proven tools for those purposes.
 
 If Adobe offers a maintenance plan that includes product updates, it would be 
 worth investigating that, too.
 
 HTH,
 
 Stuart Rogers
 Technical Communicator
 Phoenix Geophysics Ltd.
 Toronto
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Re: Which FMaker version?

2011-08-13 Thread Art Campbell

And because of the way Adobe develops, each of the TCS component aps
is developed on its own schedule and then rolled into a point release
of the TCS, which has been happening at least once a year lately.

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On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Matt Sullivan m...@grafixtraining.com wrote:
Yes, the TCS is the most cost effective way to go, and the maintenance plan
is now referred to as the Improved Upgrade Plan. It is the same cost, but now
includes Bronze Level tech support as well. The upgrade plan will save you
roughly half on your future upgrades. As an example, I just got my download
for TCS 3.5, which includes Captivate 5.5.

-Matt

Matt Sullivan
Director of Training
roundpeg, inc.
m...@roundpeg.com
714 960-6840

On Aug 13, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Stuart Rogers srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com
wrote:

On 11/08/2011 10:04 PM, visualbis...@comcast.net wrote:
My manager has finally gotten frustrated enough with Word to check into
buying FrameMaker.

What took so long? ;-)

She asked me what version would be best for us, and
I'm not sure what to tell her. I have used FM 5 and FM 7 a lot, FM 8 a
bit, and have no experience with FM 10. At this point we are building
basic documents, but we would like to have better control over the
formatting, and be able to use conditional text. I don't foresee us
using the structured version, or any of the fancy additions to the
later versions. But I don't want to saddle us with a dinosaur, either.

What are the general thoughts from this community? What are the PROs
and CONs? What should I recommend? We are a small startup business
(check out www.agilyx.com http://www.agilyx.com), and have to keep an
eye on the budget, but we want to create professional results in
everything we do.

We are using Windows 7 and Office 2010, on a variety of Dell laptops.

I'd recommend the latest version, as anything else is already 'a dinosaur'
in relation to the latest operating systems, drivers, etc.

So definitely FM10, but you should also look into TCS 3.0. In that single
bundle you get FM, Robohelp, Captivate, Photoshop, Bridge, Acrobat,
LiveCycle (maybe; I got it in TCS 2, but is not mentioned in TCS 3 blurbs)
for much less than the cost of the individual programs. You will need not
just FM but Acrobat and a graphics editor like Photoshop at a minimum
anyway; if you will be doing online Help or animated demos, then RoboHelp
and Captivate are proven tools for those purposes.

If Adobe offers a maintenance plan that includes product updates, it would
be worth investigating that, too.

HTH,

Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Ltd.
Toronto
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RE(~): Which FMaker version?

2011-08-13 Thread Dov Isaacs

There are several considerations, some of which have already been addressed on 
this thread.

(1)  There is only one “current” version of FrameMaker and that is 
FrameMaker 10. Since there is relatively little FrameMaker product ever in the 
retail channels, it is very unlikely that you are going to find legitimate, 
factory-sealed, “new” copies of older versions of FrameMaker for sale, other 
than perhaps FrameMaker 9. Although “used” copies of FrameMaker may be 
available for sale, make sure that their license may be legitimately 
transferred to you by the seller. There is a resource on Adobe’s website that 
provides the instructions and forms for that. Note that an older version of 
FrameMaker that was previously used by someone as the basis for an upgrade to a 
newer version of FrameMaker cannot be sold or otherwise transferred. Academic, 
student, and/or volume licenses likewise cannot be sold.

(2)  The only version of FrameMaker currently supported by Adobe is 
FrameMaker 10. If you have any problems with older versions, you are pretty 
much on your own (I believe Adobe will provide pay-per-incident support for 
FrameMaker 9, but not for earlier versions).

(3)  If you expect official support for Windows 7 and Office 2010, then 
FrameMaker 10 is your only option.

(4)  Versions of FrameMaker prior to FrameMaker 9 may have serious 
problems with PDF creation on Windows 7 using the headless Distiller provided 
with FrameMaker.

If as a small, struggling startup company you said you were running on old, 
used systems running Windows XP and Office 2003 (or earlier), I would not be 
so-concerned about use of an older FrameMaker version. Using Windows 7 and 
Office 2010 changes the equation dramatically!

- Dov

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Subject: Which FMaker version?


My manager has finally gotten frustrated enough with Word to check into buying 
FrameMaker. She asked me what version would be best for us, and I'm not sure 
what to tell her. I have used FM 5 and FM 7 a lot, FM 8 a bit, and have no 
experience with FM 10. At this point we are building basic documents, but we 
would like to have better control over the formatting, and be able to use 
conditional text. I don't foresee us using the structured version, or any of 
the fancy additions to the later versions. But I don't want to saddle us with 
a dinosaur, either.



What are the general thoughts from this community? What are the PROs and 
CONs? What should I recommend? We are a small startup business (check out 
www.agilyx.comhttp://www.agilyx.com), and have to keep an eye on the budget, 
but we want to create professional results in everything we do.



We are using Windows 7 and Office 2010, on a variety of Dell laptops.



Thoughts? Please reply to me directly, as I am only receiving the digest right 
now.



Thanks!



Debbie in Oregon
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RE(~): Which FMaker version?

2011-08-13 Thread Dov Isaacs

There are several considerations, some of which have already been addressed on 
this thread.

(1)  There is only one ?current? version of FrameMaker and that is 
FrameMaker 10. Since there is relatively little FrameMaker product ever in the 
retail channels, it is very unlikely that you are going to find legitimate, 
factory-sealed, ?new? copies of older versions of FrameMaker for sale, other 
than perhaps FrameMaker 9. Although ?used? copies of FrameMaker may be 
available for sale, make sure that their license may be legitimately 
transferred to you by the seller. There is a resource on Adobe?s website that 
provides the instructions and forms for that. Note that an older version of 
FrameMaker that was previously used by someone as the basis for an upgrade to a 
newer version of FrameMaker cannot be sold or otherwise transferred. Academic, 
student, and/or volume licenses likewise cannot be sold.

(2)  The only version of FrameMaker currently supported by Adobe is 
FrameMaker 10. If you have any problems with older versions, you are pretty 
much on your own (I believe Adobe will provide pay-per-incident support for 
FrameMaker 9, but not for earlier versions).

(3)  If you expect official support for Windows 7 and Office 2010, then 
FrameMaker 10 is your only option.

(4)  Versions of FrameMaker prior to FrameMaker 9 may have serious 
problems with PDF creation on Windows 7 using the headless Distiller provided 
with FrameMaker.

If as a small, struggling startup company you said you were running on old, 
used systems running Windows XP and Office 2003 (or earlier), I would not be 
so-concerned about use of an older FrameMaker version. Using Windows 7 and 
Office 2010 changes the equation dramatically!

- Dov

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of visualbis...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 7:05 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Which FMaker version?


My manager has finally gotten frustrated enough with Word to check into buying 
FrameMaker. She asked me what version would be best for us, and I'm not sure 
what to tell her. I have used FM 5 and FM 7 a lot, FM 8 a bit, and have no 
experience with FM 10. At this point we are building basic documents, but we 
would like to have better control over the formatting, and be able to use 
conditional text. I don't foresee us using the structured version, or any of 
the "fancy" additions to the later versions. But I don't want to saddle us with 
a dinosaur, either.



What are the general thoughts from this "community?" What are the PROs and 
CONs? What should I recommend? We are a small startup business (check out 
www.agilyx.com), and have to keep an eye on the budget, 
but we want to create professional results in everything we do.



We are using Windows 7 and Office 2010, on a variety of Dell laptops.



Thoughts? Please reply to me directly, as I am only receiving the digest right 
now.



Thanks!



Debbie in Oregon
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