[Framework-Team] getting rid of plone.app.search
I'm working on fixing live search. I was wondering if I could move plone.app.search into Products.CMFPlone. The package only provides a view right now--seems a bit silly to be in it's own package. It would be part of this PLIP: https://dev.plone.org/ticket/13283 Makes more sense to do it package by package instead of one huge PR. -Nathan ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
[Framework-Team] social media meta tags plip
Hi all, I just added a real simple plip for some core functionality I think we should have. https://dev.plone.org/ticket/20256 Please consider this simple change to be included with Plone 5 yet. All the code is done, pull requests are made, we just need review and the review will only take 1 minute. -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] social media meta tags plip
Every site we do gets this. Many things could be argued to not be in core and be put in an addon. This is similar to dublin core meta tags that have been in core for a long time and are mostly useless only this is actually useful. On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Eric Bréhault ebreha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nathan, I agree it can be very useful. Nevertheless, on the technical point of view, it could also be implemented as an add-on. Could you explain why you think it is better to put it in the core? Eric On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Nathan Van Gheem nat...@vangheem.us wrote: Hi all, I just added a real simple plip for some core functionality I think we should have. https://dev.plone.org/ticket/20256 Please consider this simple change to be included with Plone 5 yet. All the code is done, pull requests are made, we just need review and the review will only take 1 minute. -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] plone 4 only branches
We could keep most of plone.app.widgets and just move all override stuff into other packages(at_bbb.py, dx_bbb.py, skins). I'd then also just cut a plone 4 only branch of plone.app.widgets. Sound better? On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Nathan Van Gheem nat...@vangheem.us wrote: ahh cool. I was just reading the docs and didn't notice any specifics about that. On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:42 PM, David Glick (Plone) david.gl...@plone.org wrote: On 1/25/15 9:34 PM, Nathan Van Gheem wrote: On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:33 PM, David Glick (Plone) david.gl...@plone.org wrote: On 1/25/15 9:24 PM, Nathan Van Gheem wrote: Hi All, I'd like to merge plone.app.widgets into all of other plone packages for plone 5. In doing so, I need to create some plone 4 only branches for plone.app.dexterity and plone.app.contenttypes. Any objections? I don't really understand the benefit of spending effort to move the code. Is there an important reason I'm forgetting? plone.app.widgets overrides things in other packages to work so it's a bit of indirection. I'd like to cut off plone.app.widgets and whoever wants to maintain it for plone 4 can if they care to. Okay. I agree it would be ideal to avoid those overrides, although it maybe should be considered lower priority than fixing bugs in Plone 5. It looks like we already have branches for these packages -- Plone 4.3 is using the 2.0.x branch of plone.app.dexterity and the 1.1.x branch of plone.app.contenttypes (at least according to sources.cfg in buildout.coredev). Also, what does everything think about Archetypes and plone.app.widgets. Should that code be merged as well or do we just start ignoring Archetypes in plone 5 a bit? I think if we ignore Archetypes in Plone 5, it will significantly discourage users with custom AT content types from upgrading to Plone 5. Alright, we might need a branch for Archetypes also then :) Also already exists -- Plone 4.3 uses the 1.9.x branch of Products.Archetypes. ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] plone 4 only branches
ahh cool. I was just reading the docs and didn't notice any specifics about that. On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:42 PM, David Glick (Plone) david.gl...@plone.org wrote: On 1/25/15 9:34 PM, Nathan Van Gheem wrote: On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:33 PM, David Glick (Plone) david.gl...@plone.org wrote: On 1/25/15 9:24 PM, Nathan Van Gheem wrote: Hi All, I'd like to merge plone.app.widgets into all of other plone packages for plone 5. In doing so, I need to create some plone 4 only branches for plone.app.dexterity and plone.app.contenttypes. Any objections? I don't really understand the benefit of spending effort to move the code. Is there an important reason I'm forgetting? plone.app.widgets overrides things in other packages to work so it's a bit of indirection. I'd like to cut off plone.app.widgets and whoever wants to maintain it for plone 4 can if they care to. Okay. I agree it would be ideal to avoid those overrides, although it maybe should be considered lower priority than fixing bugs in Plone 5. It looks like we already have branches for these packages -- Plone 4.3 is using the 2.0.x branch of plone.app.dexterity and the 1.1.x branch of plone.app.contenttypes (at least according to sources.cfg in buildout.coredev). Also, what does everything think about Archetypes and plone.app.widgets. Should that code be merged as well or do we just start ignoring Archetypes in plone 5 a bit? I think if we ignore Archetypes in Plone 5, it will significantly discourage users with custom AT content types from upgrading to Plone 5. Alright, we might need a branch for Archetypes also then :) Also already exists -- Plone 4.3 uses the 1.9.x branch of Products.Archetypes. ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
[Framework-Team] plone 4 only branches
Hi All, I'd like to merge plone.app.widgets into all of other plone packages for plone 5. In doing so, I need to create some plone 4 only branches for plone.app.dexterity and plone.app.contenttypes. Any objections? Also, what does everything think about Archetypes and plone.app.widgets. Should that code be merged as well or do we just start ignoring Archetypes in plone 5 a bit? -Nathan ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Theming editor for Plone 5
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Eric Bréhault ebreha...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, The existing theming editor is totally broken in Plone 5. So, during the Ploneconf sprint, I started working on migrating it to the appropriate mockup patterns, and fixing the corresponding backend views. It is now working fine, I have made several pull requests containing my changes: https://github.com/plone/plone.app.theming/pull/31 https://github.com/plone/plone.resourceeditor/pull/5 https://github.com/plone/mockup/pull/441 I just merged the last one. Thanks. For the other 2, we might need plone 5 only branches to merge into. Nevertheless, something is still missing: I need mockup-patterns-filemanager and mockup-patterns-thememapper to be loaded. For dev purpose, I have include them manually in plone.js, but of course we do not want those patterns to be loaded in the default plone bundle. If I create a specific bundle for that, I should put it in plone.app.theming, right? And I am supposed to provided a compiled version I guess. Any hints about how to do that properly ? I think you'll just want to produce a build in mockup(via grunt) to distribute with plone.app.theming that'll be included just on the theme editor page. Ramon might have further thoughts on this. Also, some of us need to start thinking about documenting plone 5 js development more... Thanks, Eric ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] FWT meeting attendance stats
When I wrote the email, I forgot I might be on jury duty that day--there is a possibility I won't be able to make it to the meeting :( On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 3:28 AM, Giacomo Spettoli giacomo.spett...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/04/2014 06:55 PM, Nathan Van Gheem wrote: On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Giacomo Spettoli giacomo.spett...@gmail.com wrote: While we can all agree that Rok as made a good job so far, I think we have to fully realize what he just said: the main author of the front-end of plone5 is leaving the project! This is even more dangerous since the front-end should have been (and maybe will be) the shimmering thing to attract once more new customers to Plone. We ended up in this shitty situation since we, as a community, made the big mistake of putting all our energy on just very few people. How is this avoided though? Do we just not do the work? Rok did everything he could to get more people involved--just not much interest. Or if there was, that interest wasn't sustained. This is not a technical problem, the FWT cannot fix it. It's more of a management matter. But...I wrote the original mail on Friday so I was polemic pointlessly. This said, I think that all the FWT members that consider them self still active should really try hard to be online this Tuesday to discuss the plan to reach p5. Here some questions that need an answer: - What do we do now? How can we organize the work for not being stuck in this situation again? FWIW, I'll be taking ownership of mockup... Excellent! - how much man power do we have? Should we continue based on the volunteers' effort only or should we try to involve more the companies that may have the strength to finish this? - Should we collect all the info and try to finish mockup? or should we start from scratch basing our effort on the latest best frameworks (Angular, React...xyz) I'm sorry, but the idea of starting from scratch here seems ridiculous. Some of mockup uses React. Mockup isn't forcing the use of any particular js tech necessarily. Me too I think there's no time for starting from scratch obviously. And it would be a waste of energy/money. My intent was to put all the options on the table and so I was being provocative on purpose ;) We're not that far off. Ramon and I are organizing a sprint around the idea of finishing up mockup integration with plone. Nice, so the meeting of tomorrow will be a perfect occasion to collect all the needs and see if somebody else can jump in and help you two. For example, at the time, I already offered my help for improving the documentation and make it fit into the current doc base. - should we involve the board in this discussion? (I think yes, definitely!) Hope to see all of you guys online thuesday to discuss all this :) I'll be on. Perfect, thanks! cheers, Giacomo cheers, Giacomo On 06/24/2014 07:14 PM, Roel Bruggink wrote: Thank you for everything so far, Rok. Come join us for some beer if you are in the Netherlands again! ;) -Roel On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Rok Garbas r...@garbas.si wrote: hi guys, last month i've been unactive since i was on a quest to learn surfing (some call this vacation). with july i'm starting to work in berlin in a position which does not involve any plone development, therefore i would like to step down as a framework team member since i will have very little or no time for plone in comming year. thank you for all the patience you had with me. -- Rok Garbas - http://www.garbas.si ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- Roel Bruggink http://www.fourdigits.nl/mensen/roel-bruggink Four Digits BV http://www.fourdigits.nl tel: +31(0)26 4422700 -- Giacomo Spettoli Twitter: http://twitter.com/giacomospettoli LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/giacomospettoli ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp -- Giacomo Spettoli Twitter: http://twitter.com/giacomospettoli LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/giacomospettoli -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] auto csrf plip merged
I'm looking into the failures. I might have missed some things to merge... On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Nathan Van Gheem vangh...@gmail.comwrote: oops, might be my fault here. I forgot to push changes to coredev buildout. On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:05 AM, David Glick (Plone) david.gl...@plone.org wrote: Um. Looks like a bunch of tests aren't even running: http://jenkins.plone.org/job/plone-5.0-python-2.7/1931/console On 3/11/14, 7:46 PM, Nathan Van Gheem wrote: Hi all, The auto-csrf plip should now be merged. The test failures should clear up. Let me know if there are any problems. ___ Framework-Team mailing listFramework-Team@lists.plone.orghttps://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] auto csrf plip merged
Alright, tests should be getting cleared up now. I missed a few things. Quite a few packages needed changes... On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Nathan Van Gheem vangh...@gmail.comwrote: I'm looking into the failures. I might have missed some things to merge... On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Nathan Van Gheem vangh...@gmail.comwrote: oops, might be my fault here. I forgot to push changes to coredev buildout. On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:05 AM, David Glick (Plone) david.gl...@plone.org wrote: Um. Looks like a bunch of tests aren't even running: http://jenkins.plone.org/job/plone-5.0-python-2.7/1931/console On 3/11/14, 7:46 PM, Nathan Van Gheem wrote: Hi all, The auto-csrf plip should now be merged. The test failures should clear up. Let me know if there are any problems. ___ Framework-Team mailing listFramework-Team@lists.plone.orghttps://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
[Framework-Team] auto csrf plip merged
Hi all, The auto-csrf plip should now be merged. The test failures should clear up. Let me know if there are any problems. ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] auto csrf plip merged
oops, might be my fault here. I forgot to push changes to coredev buildout. On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:05 AM, David Glick (Plone) david.gl...@plone.org wrote: Um. Looks like a bunch of tests aren't even running: http://jenkins.plone.org/job/plone-5.0-python-2.7/1931/console On 3/11/14, 7:46 PM, Nathan Van Gheem wrote: Hi all, The auto-csrf plip should now be merged. The test failures should clear up. Let me know if there are any problems. ___ Framework-Team mailing listFramework-Team@lists.plone.orghttps://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] reviewing plips
I started merging but notice there might be quite a few tests that need to be fixed. The problem seems to be that now a lxml transform is done by default on every response so html output is slightly modified. I'll try and get it done this week. On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Giacomo Spettoli giacomo.spett...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/11/2013 07:23, David Glick (Plone) wrote: Hi framework team, There was a lot of great work done toward Plone 5 at the Arnhem sprint. Now it's up to us to make sure it gets reviewed and merged. I'm aware of the following PLIPs that could use some review (not all are ready to merge, but generally the earlier we can start reviewing work, the better): - mockup plone.app.widgets integration (https://github.com/plone/ buildout.coredev/blob/5.0/plips/plip13476-mockup.cfg) - Barceloneta theme (https://github.com/plone/buildout.coredev/blob/5.0/ plips/plip13787-main-template.cfg) - remove BASE tag (https://github.com/plone/buildout.coredev/blob/5.0/ plips/plip13705-remove-base-tag.cfg) - use z3c.form in plone.app.users (https://github.com/plone/ buildout.coredev/blob/5.0/plips/plip12253-users-z3cform.cfg) I feel I can review the plip about using z3c.form in p.a.users . As you suggested correctly, I will try to give an initial peek at it by tuesday. thanks, Giacomo - I'm probably forgetting something else? I would like everyone on the framework team to review one of these as soon as possible. (Completing the reviews quickly will keep Plone 5 coming and will reduce the need to update PLIP branches with changes from master.) Please pick one and at least take an initial look by our meeting on Tuesday. Also, Nathan, would you have time to merge the CSRF plip sometime soon? thanks, David ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- Giacomo Spettoli http://twitter.com/giacomospettoli http://linkedin.com/in/giacomospettoli ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
[Framework-Team] framework team meeting notes
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kAP7XtycVQSZDUh3SS9_NJ6r-XMfZ0bkpouc7qJse9g/edit?usp=sharing feel free to add info. Thanks! ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] framework team meeting notes
added. thanks On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Johannes Raggam d...@programmatic.prowrote: Can't edit it.. I'd add: - plone.app.users now championed by Johannes. Thanks, Johannes On Die, 2013-10-22 at 14:27 -0500, Nathan Van Gheem wrote: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kAP7XtycVQSZDUh3SS9_NJ6r-XMfZ0bkpouc7qJse9g/edit?usp=sharing feel free to add info. Thanks! ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- programmatic web development di(fh) johannes raggam / thet python plone zope development mail: off...@programmatic.pro web: http://programmatic.pro http://bluedynamics.com -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] strategic sprint designation for Arnhem sprint
I will talk to my boss about attending for a week. I will be missing the conference this year so maybe this is a good compromise :/ On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Franco Pellegrini frap...@gmail.comwrote: There's a big +1 from me... I don't think I can make it for the whole 4 weeks, I'm thinking maybe getting there around the 9th or so... but I still need to pull a few strings in terms of time and organization, and also see if I can have some financial aid for the plane tickets... but this is definitely an amazing idea, hope to see it happening ! On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Maarten Kling maar...@fourdigits.nlwrote: Hello FWT, We experienced a 'marathon' sprint ourselves and that works very well. In April we went to Ibiza with 10 people to work on a project. Having people all together in a closed environment worked out pretty well, and the results where a finished project as planned. We had 4 sprints for 1 week (1month total), all had there own goals. If people are up for this we can facilitate this Sprint Marathon at our office, including sleeping spots for free. We have a kitchen (and bar :)) available to provide cooking and lunch. All other necessary facilities are available (washing machine, shower, beer, garden). Our initial plan was to do a sprint from 11th until 15th November. We can extend this for the marathon to start 28th October and end 22th November. This way the Americans can be home for Thanksgiving. We can have 4 sprints for a week, having people sign-up for single week sprint or the complete run. We are definitely planning all goals upfront. Plone5 will be the topic. Depending on the work done at the ploneconf sprint, we will create an manage backlog for the remaining topics. Let me know how you think. Regards, Team 4D -- Maarten Kling http://fourdigits.nl/mensen/**maarten-klinghttp://fourdigits.nl/mensen/maarten-kling Four Digits BV http://www.fourdigits.nl Jansbinnensingel 26, 6811 AL, Arnhem tel: +31 (0)26 4422700 fax: +31 (0)84 2206117 KVK 09162137 BTW 8161.22.234.B01 On 8/7/13 6:09 PM, Rok Garbas wrote: Quoting Timo Stollenwerk (2013-08-07 09:10:18) Hi FWT, while you're at it, would you mind considering to recommend the sprint in Cologne in February next year as strategic sprint to the board as well? (I'm still on holidays, so I haven't had the time to push this further yet) I'd be more than happy to discuss possible sprint goals with the FWT. My initial idea was to focus on p.a.contenttypes/p.a.event but I'd guess that we will have solved most problems until February. Therefore code cleanup (formlib-z3cform; skins removal, package consolidation, etc.) could be one of the main topics. Though, anything that brings us closer to Plone 5 and that makes sense at that point is fine with me. would it make it feasible to do marathon instead of a sprint just to push plone 5 out sooner. usually what happens on sprint is that we get things 90% done, but then it takes months to get that last 10% done. with marathon it would mean to bring developers together for a month with a goal to release plone 5. probably not all developers could attend it for whole month but there should be core team of marathoners that will be there from day one. i know that this idea sounds crazy, eg: how can we get one month off from our day jobs? but the result would be plone 5 being ready at least half a year earlier, which sounds to be worth at least giving a though if not trying to organize it. and why i'm saying this in this thread. there are many sprints in germany around that time (at least it was like that in previous years) which, if we combine them, would mean first plone marathon. Maybe we can take Eric's Plone 5 suggestions and create a more detailed roadmap (tasks, sprints, champions) how to realize our Plone 5 goals. Once we have such a roadmap we can plan the (stategic) sprint topics accordingly. i'll prepare details list of things that need to be done to get p.a.widgets/toolbar ready for production use. -- Rok Garbas - http://www.garbas.si __**_ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/**mailman/listinfo/plone-**framework-teamhttps://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team __**_ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/**mailman/listinfo/plone-**framework-teamhttps://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman
Re: [Framework-Team] Fwd: applying for framework team
+1 Rok should be on the team with all the js work he's leading up. On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Johannes Raggam raggam...@adm.at wrote: +1 On Fre, 2013-07-19 at 15:30 -0700, Steve McMahon wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Rok Garbas r...@garbas.si wrote: Forwarded message from Rok Garbas (2013-06-27 15:22:19): hi, i've been thinking on helping fwt in the past but never really had enough time to send this email (others ppl call this lazyness). i've been around plone for few years and last yeas i've also started contributing to plone core on more regular basis. main reason i want to join fwt is to make sure that javascript that is going to be added to plone is of proper quality. there is ton of old javascript code that is not tested and is working only because probably some developers sold part of their soul to devil. i can accept and agree with any style of programing and library that is going to be added to plone, but not untested code in javascript i can never. by can not accept i ment help plippers help/guide them to write tests for their javascript code. i'm only mentioning javascript becuase i see it as a thing i can help most with. i'll be happy reviewing other plips as well. tnx and may your javascript be tested! -- Rok Garbas - http://www.garbas.si ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- programmatic web development di(fh) johannes raggam / thet python plone zope development mail: off...@programmatic.pro web: http://programmatic.pro http://bluedynamics.com ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- Nathan Van Gheem Solutions Architect Wildcard Corp ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Request to join the framework team
Yay! Not sure if we need to vote or not but I'm a +1 for sure :) On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Giacomo Spettoli giacomo.spett...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, here's my request to join the FWT: name: Giacomo Spettoli email: giacomo.spett...@gmail.com reasons for the join request: I started playing with Plone in 2009 during my degree thesis at Redturtle. Since then I continued studing, working and contributing to Plone anyway I can. I didn't do much commits to the core since now 'cause I was focused on improving my knowledge first. I mostly made some commit during tuneups and some patch now and then and I worked on 3rd party products. That said I made my way in Plone and in the last 4 years it has been my full time job all days (and often nights). I changed 3 companies where I always worked on Plone so I've seen many projects and acquired many different skills. Recently I'm focused on the documentation and on the plone's installers. It wasn't my plan to send the join request now, but since you are seeking for fresh blood and since joining the Framework team has always been one of my mid/long term goals, I think the time has come for me to propose myself. I'm aware I'm not the most experienced or known plonista out there, but I can bring a good mix of will to do and skills to do it. cheers, Giacomo -- Giacomo Spettoli http://twitter.com/**giacomospettoli http://twitter.com/giacomospettoli http://linkedin.com/in/**giacomospettolihttp://linkedin.com/in/giacomospettoli __**_ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/**mailman/listinfo/plone-**framework-teamhttps://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Reminder: framework team meeting on Dec. 11
For some reason I didn't think we were having a framework team meeting this week and seemed to double book with the UI team meeting so I won't be able to make it. Sorry guys. On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Johannes Raggam d...@programmatic.prowrote: On 12/10/2012 06:57 PM, David Glick (Plone) wrote: Here's a reminder of your action items; please try to make progress on these: - Eric is working on 4.2.3 and 4.3b1 releases. - If you're championing a PLIP, make sure you know its status. - Craig, Marcio, and Franco are reviewing PLIP 13091 (plone.app.multilingual) - Craig and I are reviewing PLIP 10886 (plone.app.event) very nice, i'm looking forward! so i'm left to say: this plip is ready for review. i'm sorry i couldn't finish the promised doc update as i would have. two projects took longer than expected and bound all my time (also for p.a.event improvements, see the CHANGES.rst file). at least, in buildout.coredev/plips/implementation_notes/plip10886-event-improvements.rst the weak areas are pointed out. if you have any questions, please ask. i'll update the docs as i find the time - but for today, i have to find some sleep. best, johannes best, David ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team -- programmatic web development di(fh) johannes raggam / thet python plone zope development mail: off...@programmatic.pro web: http://programmatic.pro http://bluedynamics.com ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Framework/Roadmap Team Dinner in Arnhem
I'm in. sent from my nexus 7 On Oct 11, 2012 9:20 AM, Ross Patterson m...@rpatterson.net wrote: Liz suggested Café Brasserie Dudok Arnhem: http://www.dudok.nl/index.php?pageID=152 https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=ensafe=offie=UTF-8q=Caf%C3%A9+Brasserie+Dudok+Arnhemfb=1hq=Caf%C3%A9+Brasserie+Dudok+Arnhemcid=0,0,12972247205116795382ei=knF2UKqoBabG0QXK44F4ved=0CH0Q_BIwAA Unless someone else suggests something else or objects, I'd say we should just go for this one. So everyone who's coming, Framework Team members and alumni, Roadmap Team members and alumni, +1s, etc. please say so now so we can get a count for a reservation. Ross Ross Patterson m...@rpatterson.net writes: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Andreas Zeidler wit...@plone.org wrote: On 10 Oct 2012, at 12:20, Ross Patterson m...@rpatterson.net wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 3:06 AM, Martin Aspeli optil...@gmail.com wrote: Works for me. Can we bring the Roadmap team too? Absolutely, that sounds to me like a great improvement to the tradition of the annual FWT meeting. +1 btw, is the dinner only for current team members or can we come as well? :) Yeah, in past years it's been ...and alumni I just forgot to say that. Ross ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
[Framework-Team] extra body classes plip 12905 merged
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Re: [Framework-Team] testing plone.app.workflowmanager
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I've attached some screenshots with a few annotations on them. Not really my area of strength, but hopefully useful. On 11 September 2012 14:45, Nathan Van Gheem vangh...@gmail.com wrote: My very, very quick first impression: - we really want this - we may want some way to tie it more closely to the Dexterity TTW editor - the UI is confusing ;) I know... There's a *lot* going on, and buttons and toolbars all over the place. The colours are also fairly non-standard in a Plone context. It's actually bootstrap. We had it more plone-like originally and it was worse. Think we should go for something much more plain? It was mostly things like buttons and colours I balked at. Looked quite different to everything else in Plone, which is confusing. - Text in the overlays is very small and form layout looks broken I believe that's default plone styles. Overlay font-size is 80% but yah, we can make that 100% for this. Yeah, you need to do something in the CSS (the plone.app.theming does it, for example) to get this back to normal size on the control panel template. - The toolbar looks too similar to the list of states/transitions underneath Should we do a completely different color? Maybe look at how the p.a.theming theme mapper did it and try to be consistent? - I didn't notice the twiddles to open/close the state/transition bars up for more details Yah, need a better way for users to notice those open up or open one up by default. I think if you open one up by default, people won't find the other ones, they'll be down below the scroll. More obvious buttons (like Change settings) may help. - The states/transitions switch looks like links inside the toolbar, but they behave more like how tabs behave elsewhere in Plone's UI - The tooltip hover help is great, though it doesn't look very Ploney Not much of this is Ploney. Yah, it needs some styling. The plone UI needs to eventually have a standard tooltip... The buttons/tabs thing isn't really about visual style, it's about what you expect from buttons vs. tabs. - It feels like I can affect the state-transition relationship from both ends (e.g. source state on a transition), which makes it hard for me to understand what affects what Yes, you can. That was a feature :) Not a bad one, maybe, but it feels a bit backwards. Okay, I'll try thinking about it more. I really appreciate the feedback. It's been so long since anyone has even said anything critical and I feel like I am too familiar with the current state to properly be critical of the UI. That's how I felt about the theme mapper after a while. ;) Maybe we can generate some kind of state chart graph for them? If graphviz is installed, there is a button activated that'll generate a graph for you. Or do you mean something different? Will people have graphviz installed? There are JS libaries that can visualise things like this, which may be better. My overarching thought is that we should start with: - A list of workflows (including existing ones, shown, but readonly) - Buttons on each like copy, delete, edit (see the new p.a.theming UI for this) - Once you open one up, some kind of in-HTML representation of states and transitions and how they relate to each other (like a directed graph). Maybe that's a graph drawn (in JS on canvas, say) to show states and transitions, and you click on each to bring up an overlay with editing options. You'd have an add state button next to this map to add a new state, and maybe an add transition button when editing a state, which would let you choose an existing transition, or create a new one. Bonus for some kind of drag-draw-an-arrow thing, but not necessary. I actually went down this path long ago when we were thinking through this. This visual representative workflow UI is nice for small workflows but for complicated workflow, it really breaks down and becomes difficult to handle--hence, using the ordered list of states and transitions. I'll think about it though. Perhaps there is some sort of hybrid way we can work out. I think the mental model required to understand there's a list of states, and there's a list of transitions, then once you've built those two lists, you link them together here and here, and then you have workflow is really confusing. I do agree with this... It's a nasty, complicated UI when you're introduced to it. I guess we never really tried to shy away from nastiness as we were only ever targeting power users. The two feel very disparate (also in the ZMI version of this, of course, and to an extent in the code behind it all). I'm compelled to try to draw it out on a piece of paper when I look at it, which is probably not quite right. If we managed to get something to pull it all together, then I think the rest of the feedback
Re: [Framework-Team] testing plone.app.workflowmanager
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:10 AM, Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.comwrote: On 11 September 2012 06:43, Nathan Van Gheem vangh...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone give the plip a try? I'd like a review. David, I know you were having js errors previously. I just tried the plip buildout out and it seems to be working correctly. I just built it. It works. Thanks Martin! My very, very quick first impression: - we really want this - we may want some way to tie it more closely to the Dexterity TTW editor - the UI is confusing ;) I know... There's a *lot* going on, and buttons and toolbars all over the place. The colours are also fairly non-standard in a Plone context. It's actually bootstrap. We had it more plone-like originally and it was worse. Think we should go for something much more plain? I think we should try to get some user testing done on this, like we did for the theme mapper. Some basic things that confuse me just looking at it: - The first screen you get is very bare; not sure how I got there, what's going on Right, needs more explanation. - Something odd is going on with the breadcrumbs Right, we need back to control panel and such. - Text in the overlays is very small and form layout looks broken I believe that's default plone styles. Overlay font-size is 80% but yah, we can make that 100% for this. - The toolbar looks too similar to the list of states/transitions underneath Should we do a completely different color? - I didn't notice the twiddles to open/close the state/transition bars up for more details Yah, need a better way for users to notice those open up or open one up by default. - The Transitions looks like a button and is a link, but clicking it does nothing Yah, I noticed this too. - The states/transitions switch looks like links inside the toolbar, but they behave more like how tabs behave elsewhere in Plone's UI - The tooltip hover help is great, though it doesn't look very Ploney Not much of this is Ploney. Yah, it needs some styling. The plone UI needs to eventually have a standard tooltip... - It feels like I can affect the state-transition relationship from both ends (e.g. source state on a transition), which makes it hard for me to understand what affects what Yes, you can. That was a feature :) I suspect many of these things could be solved quite easily by just moving a few things around and probably relegating a few more things to advanced mode. Mostly, I think I'm missing something overarching to tie the whole thing together: what are states and transitions? How do they relate to each other? Okay, I'll try thinking about it more. I really appreciate the feedback. It's been so long since anyone has even said anything critical and I feel like I am too familiar with the current state to properly be critical of the UI. Maybe we can generate some kind of state chart graph for them? If graphviz is installed, there is a button activated that'll generate a graph for you. Or do you mean something different? -Nathan ___ Framework-Team mailing list framework-t...@lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] [Plone-UI] Fwd: plone.app.discussion UI review
It might be a good idea to show the warning message right next to
setting. Though, we usually show warning/error messages at the top of
the page in Plone. I'm happy to hear your thoughts on this and change
the UI accordingly.
+1 on the warning, but I prefer to do it up-top like other warnings are
done. It's not a field error so it doesn't really belong there if we want to
stay consistent.
For example suggest that a captcha solution should be installed
if the anonymous comments are enabled without moderation.
+1 IMO, these sort of friendly reminders are good for usability. It informs
the user of any potential issues and will help the users list and irc get
less obvious questions.
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:33 AM, Christian Ledermann
christian.lederm...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Timo Stollenwerk li...@zmag.de wrote:
It might be a good idea to show the warning message right next to
setting. Though, we usually show warning/error messages at the top of
the page in Plone. I'm happy to hear your thoughts on this and change
the UI accordingly.
I like the idea to display the warning next to the setting, It gives
inexperienced users a clear indication what should be changed where.
( + I know a customer where this would be a must have)
I think there are even more things we can do in the discussion control
panel. For example suggest that a captcha solution should be installed
if the anonymous comments are enabled without moderation.
+1, (by highlighting the Captcha field with the warning?)
Though, I
would like to settle down the UI before I add more things.
just my 2 cents: + links in anonymous comments could be marked as
rel=nofollow
to discourage link spam (with a information/warning on the anonymous
comment form)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nofollow
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[Framework-Team] New Collections UI Review Notes
Hello All, Late is better than never right? :) I'm going to start reviewing trying a bit harder to do a UI review some of the plips. - The multiple select drop down that is used for the Type criteria is fine(and compact which is good here), but can we have it roll back up when you click off of it - Are we no longer going to allow for the user to select a location with the reference browser widget? You're only allowed to type in a location - no datetime widget - Can we pad the search results a bit? - Can we add a description for the Number of Items field? Did we decide to no longer support pagination based off this field if Limit Search Results was not selected? Because that doesn't seem to be implemented. - I might prefer the preview of search results to be in tabular format so you can squeeze more in at once for the user. Good work otherwise. This is going to be a great addition to the plone UI! -Nathan ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
[Framework-Team] UI review of plip 10886 - Event Improvements
This looks good except for the missing recurrance widget which is mention in the plip txt file. Any word on the status and direction of that? I might be able to help out. -Nathan ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
[Framework-Team] UI review of plip 11017 - New Tag Widget
The is mostly very well done. I'd prefer the width of the widget to be about half the size it is right now. I don't think anyone puts tags in that are that large. Then you'll want to moveHover and type the first letter to skip through tags. below Select from existing tags. and Enter one tag per line, multiple words allowed. below Create and apply new tags. Otherwise, this is great. ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] [Plone-UI] Fwd: plone.app.discussion UI review
Hi Timo,
Though, the problem is the state mapping when the workflow changes (see
types-controlpanel-workflow screenshot attached). I think the workflow
setting in the discussion control panel can either:
1) change the workflow ignoring the option for custom mappings.
2) or I have to implement a widget similar to the one in the types
control panel
I really don't think it's necessary. Basically, the two cases are:
1) User was using moderation and switching to single state. So in this case
the mapping is automatically published so the user doesn't need to think
about it.
2) User was using single state and switching to moderated commenting. All
the previous comments were published anyways, so just map them to published
again for the user. If the user is advanced enough, they can do it manually
in the types control panel.
I agree with everything else you've done. It looks good!
-Nathan
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:57 AM, Timo Stollenwerk li...@zmag.de wrote:
Hi Nathan,
thanks for your review!
Am 08.12.2010 15:17, schrieb Nathan Van Gheem:
Hi Timo,
PLIP REVIEW: Moderating comments by changing the workflow is gross.
I
think it's work the extra effort here to add a moderate comments
checkbox to the add on configuration.
QUESTION: In order to activate the moderation workflow for
comments, the
user has to go to the types control panel, choose the comment
review
workflow for the comment type. Is it ok to just add a checkbox
in the
discussion control panel to enable the comment review workflow for
comments? In general, is it ok to duplicate configuration options
in
Plone control panels?
Yes. I think this is the best way to go. It's just an implementation
detail that
moderation is enabled by applying a workflow--I don't think
users(especially
novice ones) should be expected to know that.
It should be pretty straight forward to add an additional
checkbox/select field to the discussion control panel in order to allow
users to switch between the different comment workflows ('one state' and
'review').
Though, the problem is the state mapping when the workflow changes (see
types-controlpanel-workflow screenshot attached). I think the workflow
setting in the discussion control panel can either:
1) change the workflow ignoring the option for custom mappings.
2) or I have to implement a widget similar to the one in the types
control panel
My current idea is to go with 1) and use a single checkbox to enable
comment moderation (see pad-controlpanel-comment-moderation.png
screenshot attached). If selected, the moderation workflow is enabled,
if not the single state workflow is enabled.
If a custom workflow is enabled, the checkbox is disabled (see the last
two setting on the controlpanel screenshot for an example) and an info
message shows up telling the user to go to the types control panel to
change this setting.
This will allow users without custom workflows to easily enable/disable
comment moderation and allow advanced users to change the setting to
custom workflows in the types control panel.
What do you think?
Cheers,
timo
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Re: [Framework-Team] Fwd: plone.app.discussion UI review
Hi Timo, PLIP REVIEW: Moderating comments by changing the workflow is gross. I think it's work the extra effort here to add a moderate comments checkbox to the add on configuration. QUESTION: In order to activate the moderation workflow for comments, the user has to go to the types control panel, choose the comment review workflow for the comment type. Is it ok to just add a checkbox in the discussion control panel to enable the comment review workflow for comments? In general, is it ok to duplicate configuration options in Plone control panels? Yes. I think this is the best way to go. It's just an implementation detail that moderation is enabled by applying a workflow--I don't think users(especially novice ones) should be expected to know that. PLIP REVIEW: In the discussion settings, globally enabling comments is insanely confusing. I don't even understand what it does. I think that this should either do what it says - Globally enable comments - or remove it. QUESTION: When we started with pad the consensus was, that by default, commenting would be globally disabled (if pad has become a core component of Plone). This is why there is a globally enable comments option. Should be change that? I didn't find this confusing and I think this is important to keep as was discussed. PLIP REVIEW: Removing a comment at the top level of a thread removes all comments underneath. This isn't ok and I think will lead to some frustration. I'm not sure how this reworks the commenting threads and display et al. I have seen in practice that deleting a potentially offensive comment just replaces the content of the comment with a message that says This comment has been deleted by the moderator. This keeps the flow of conversation going and doesn't make people mad when their potentially relevant comment is deleted. QUESTION: I agree that the behaviour described above is nicer than the current implementation. I think we even have a user story describing this as a feature. Though, I think the current way of deleting the comment with all its replies is ok for now. Do you think that the current implementation is something that we/the user could live with? Both ways of handling it are confusing really. You should delete child comments if the parent is deleted. Perhaps, the best and easiest solution for right now is to give the user a warning if the comment has child comments and let them know they'll all be deleted. PLIP REVIEW: The delete button to the far right of the comment is insanely confusing. I think this could use some UI review. QUESTION: See screenshot attached (pad-delete-button.png). I moved the delete button away from the reply button for two reasons: 1) I wanted to avoid clicking the delete button by accident if a user wants to reply. 2) To make it more clear which comment is deleted when hitting the button. I'm happy to hear any suggestions for improving the UI. I think the way you've got it in the screenshot. PLIP REVIEW: I do not like seeing the Moderate Comments so highly visible in the user actions when moderation is disabled by default and requires changing workflows to enable. QUESTION: See screenshot attached (pad-moderate-comments.png). I agree. Would it be ok to just show the moderate comments entry if comment moderation is enabled? Yes, I think it should be shown if it is enabled. Another related question is: Should the admin be able to access the comment batch moderation panel (moderate comments) even if comment moderation is disabled? No. Good work Timo :) 2010/12/7 Israel Saeta Pérez dukeb...@gmail.com: I'm not part of either of the teams but just a couple of comments. On 02/12/10 19:28, Timo Stollenwerk wrote: Hi Plone UI team, I would like to discuss some UI related issues that were raised during the PLIP review of plone.app.discussion (by eleddy and cah190). https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9288 [...] PLIP REVIEW: The delete button to the far right of the comment is insanely confusing. I think this could use some UI review. QUESTION: See screenshot attached (pad-delete-button.png). I moved the delete button away from the reply button for two reasons: 1) I wanted to avoid clicking the delete button by accident if a user wants to reply. 2) To make it more clear which comment is deleted when hitting the button. I'm happy to hear any suggestions for improving the UI. I agree with separating the Delete button from the Reply one. It's a wise decision. I'd replace the Delete button by a cross sign or a trashcan icon, with the title and alt attributes Delete comment. -- israel ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org
Re: [Framework-Team] three more PLIP submissions
I will need assistance to complete the implementation for #10888. Anyone (particularly someone with JQuery experience) interested? I can help out with 10888 On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:20 PM, David Glick davidgl...@groundwire.orgwrote: Dear framework team, I would like to submit the following 3 PLIPs for Plone 4.1: https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9934 - Add a text field to folders https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/9938 - Factor custom output transformations out of the editors https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/10888 - Make KSS optional I will need assistance to complete the implementation for #10888. Anyone (particularly someone with JQuery experience) interested? thanks, David -- David Glick Web Developer davidgl...@groundwire.org 206.286.1235x32 Groundwire: You Are Connected http://groundwire.org ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
