[Frameworks] XTOL for processing Tri-X Super8 (7266)

[Nisha Platzer]

Hi there Frameworks,

Does anyone know a recipe for developing Tri-X Super8 (7266) with XTOL?

many thanks

Nisha

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Re: [Frameworks] The Flicker

[Pip Chodorov]

It's not meant to be McClure loud.  It was just 16mm optical track after all.




At 22:10 -0500 27/02/17, Jonathan Walley wrote:
Thanks Chuck, and thanks also to Pip, Scott, Steve, and Esperanza 
for their insights. I think tomorrow's screening will be do-able. My 
only real frustration at this point is how quite the DVD track is. 
Maybe I've been watching too much Bruce McClure, but I remember The 
Flicker as bring pretty loud. I'm hoping I can give the rather thin 
track some oomph when I patch into the sound system of our 
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Re: [Frameworks] The Flicker

[Jonathan Walley]

Thanks Chuck, and thanks also to Pip, Scott, Steve, and Esperanza for their 
insights. I think tomorrow’s screening will be do-able. My only real 
frustration at this point is how quite the DVD track is. Maybe I’ve been 
watching too much Bruce McClure, but I remember The Flicker as bring pretty 
loud. I’m hoping I can give the rather thin track some oomph when I patch into 
the sound system of our projection booth.

I’ll let you all know how it goes.

And I’ll likely have more crowdsourcing questions as this seminar wears on.

All best,
JW

> On Feb 27, 2017, at 9:33 PM, Chuck Kleinhans  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I love this thread—crowdsourcing at its finest!  Seriously, the spirit of 
> sharing knowlege and experience warms me on a cold day in these Trump times.
> 
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Re: [Frameworks] The Flicker

[Chuck Kleinhans]

I love this thread—crowdsourcing at its finest!  Seriously, the spirit of 
sharing knowlege and experience warms me on a cold day in these Trump times.

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Re: [Frameworks] Seeking 16mm print of Begone Dull Care

[Darren Hughes]

Thanks, everyone, for your advice. I've reached out to the NFB and MoMA.

Darren

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Patrick Friel 
wrote:

> Hi Darren,
>
> The Museum of Modern Art Circulating Film and Video Library has it.
> https://www.moma.org/research-and-learning/research-
> resources/circulatingfilm
>
> Also, the New York Public Library does, too. Not sure if it’s part of
> their circulating collection.
> https://www.nypl.org/about/locations/lpa/circulating-
> collections/reserve-film
>
> Have you tried the National Film Board of Canada directly?
>
>
> Patrick Friel
> Chicago
>
>
>
> On 2/24/17 9:59 AM, "Darren Hughes"  wrote:
>
> Good morning,
>
> We just discovered that the print of Evelyn Lambart and Norman McLaren's 
> *Begone
> Dull Care* we'd planned to screen at Big Ears Festival next month is
> unavailable. Any advice for tracking down another print on relatively short
> notice?
>
> Thanks,
> Darren Hughes
>
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Re: [Frameworks] Seeking 16mm print of Begone Dull Care

[Patrick Friel]

Hi Darren,

The Museum of Modern Art Circulating Film and Video Library has it.
https://www.moma.org/research-and-learning/research-resources/circulatingfil
m

Also, the New York Public Library does, too. Not sure if it¹s part of their
circulating collection.
https://www.nypl.org/about/locations/lpa/circulating-collections/reserve-fil
m

Have you tried the National Film Board of Canada directly?


Patrick Friel
Chicago


On 2/24/17 9:59 AM, "Darren Hughes"  wrote:

> Good morning,
> 
> We just discovered that the print of Evelyn Lambart and Norman McLaren's
> Begone Dull Care we'd planned to screen at Big Ears Festival next month is
> unavailable. Any advice for tracking down another print on relatively short
> notice?
> 
> Thanks,
> Darren Hughes
> 
> http://publiccinema.org/bigears
> 
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Re: [Frameworks] The Flicker

[Pip Chodorov]

Hi Jonathan,
I have struck prints recently and I can confirm that there is an 
optical sound neg synched to the optical picture neg. However there 
is no precise correspondence between how the flicker flickers and how 
the audio clicks evolve.
The soundtrack starts with 30s music over the three opening title 
cards including the Warning.

The DVD we published through Re:Voir is in sync and can be used as a reference.
I believe the stereo CD version will be more interesting and more 
intense and I wouldn't worry about the sync. Maybe you can do a test 
by projecting the beginning while playing the CD, and at the point 
where the titles end and the old music stops, check how many seconds 
off you are, and then adjust by that much when you start them for the 
show.

-Pip




At 12:21 -0500 27/02/17, Jonathan Walley wrote:
I'm showing The Flicker tomorrow in a seminar, and the print arrived 
from Filmmakers' Coop with sound on CD (no optical track), which 
surprised me. When I've rented the film in the past, the print came 
had an optical track; to confirm my memory of this, I looked at 
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Re: [Frameworks] The Flicker

[Steve Polta]

I can confirm that in 2009, when Tony Conrad appeared in person at San
Francisco Cinematheque, *The Flicker *was screened with soundtrack from a
CD provided by Conrad. He specifically informed us that this was a *stereo*
version of the usual 16mm mono soundtrack. I do not recall his instructions
as to when to push "play" or whatever but obviously there is no way that
anything like frame-for-frame sync was achieved this way. I personally have
my doubts that the original (16mm optical) soundtrack is as closely synced
as others are claiming but I have no way of backing this up. By my
recollection, indeed the warning section of *The Flicker* has a different
soundtrack (old time movie music, right?). I do not recall how this was
dealt with during the in-person stero-soundtrack-from-CD presentation of
the film in 2009.

Info on *Tony Conrad: Flickering Jewel* April 3–5, 2009:
Program One 
Program Two

Program Three


If anyone is interested, Cinematheque will present a two-part Conrad
tribute in San Francisco March 24–26, 2017, including a screening of *Tony
Conrad: Completely in the Present*
,
Tyler Hubby's recent documentary portrait of Conrad and a screening of films
by Conrad
,
including *The Flicker* (remains to be seen whether the sndtk will be
optical or CD).


Steve Polta

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Esperanza Collado <
esperanzacolla...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jonathan,
>
> That is very strange. I have projected *The Flicker *2 or 3 times so far;
> print always came from LUX and the sound of course was optical and on the
> print. I believe the light patterns (the actual flick) are synchronized
> with sound in a very precise manner, as there is a crescendo in both image
> and sound, reaching a peak aproximately at the middle of the film, and then
> (optical and sonic) rhythm begins to decend. So, good luck! You may need to
> ask for an explanation though.
>
> The Warning also had a different soundtrack on it, if memory serves...
>
>
>
>
>
> 2017-02-27 18:21 GMT+01:00 Jonathan Walley :
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I’m showing *The Flicker* tomorrow in a seminar, and the print arrived
>> from Filmmakers’ Coop with sound on CD (no optical track), which surprised
>> me. When I’ve rented the film in the past, the print came had an optical
>> track; to confirm my memory of this, I looked at images of the strip online
>> (http://anthologyfilmarchives.org/collections/reference-libr
>> ary/stills/494). I don’t remember showing it any other way.
>>
>> The instructions that came with the print simply indicate that the CD
>> should be started with the picture, but my understanding is that the rhythm
>> of the sound is supposed to be synchronized with the flicker patterns in
>> the image. Am I wrong?
>>
>> Anyone know something about this? I can contact MM at FMC (though I know
>> she’s also on this list), but I thought I’d also put the question to the
>> larger Frameworks community to see if anyone has projected *The Flicker*
>> this way, and if anyone has tips, ideas, experiences, etc., to share.
>>
>> Tony Conrad: continuing to baffle and challenge us from beyond.
>>
>> Best,
>> JW
>>
>> Dr. Jonathan Walley
>> Associate Professor and Chair
>> Department of Cinema
>> Denison University
>> wall...@denison.edu
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Frameworks] The Flicker

[Esperanza Collado]

Hi Jonathan,

That is very strange. I have projected *The Flicker *2 or 3 times so far;
print always came from LUX and the sound of course was optical and on the
print. I believe the light patterns (the actual flick) are synchronized
with sound in a very precise manner, as there is a crescendo in both image
and sound, reaching a peak aproximately at the middle of the film, and then
(optical and sonic) rhythm begins to decend. So, good luck! You may need to
ask for an explanation though.

The Warning also had a different soundtrack on it, if memory serves...





2017-02-27 18:21 GMT+01:00 Jonathan Walley :

> Hello everyone,
>
> I’m showing *The Flicker* tomorrow in a seminar, and the print arrived
> from Filmmakers’ Coop with sound on CD (no optical track), which surprised
> me. When I’ve rented the film in the past, the print came had an optical
> track; to confirm my memory of this, I looked at images of the strip online
> (http://anthologyfilmarchives.org/collections/reference-library/stills/494).
> I don’t remember showing it any other way.
>
> The instructions that came with the print simply indicate that the CD
> should be started with the picture, but my understanding is that the rhythm
> of the sound is supposed to be synchronized with the flicker patterns in
> the image. Am I wrong?
>
> Anyone know something about this? I can contact MM at FMC (though I know
> she’s also on this list), but I thought I’d also put the question to the
> larger Frameworks community to see if anyone has projected *The Flicker*
> this way, and if anyone has tips, ideas, experiences, etc., to share.
>
> Tony Conrad: continuing to baffle and challenge us from beyond.
>
> Best,
> JW
>
> Dr. Jonathan Walley
> Associate Professor and Chair
> Department of Cinema
> Denison University
> wall...@denison.edu
>
>
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Re: [Frameworks] The Flicker

[Scott MacDonald]

*Hey Jonathan,*

*Canyon rents a print with a soundtrack-on-film. *

*Not sure whether the tape begins with the music that on sound prints
accompanies the Warning. I've always assumed the sync during the flicker
itself is not all that precise between the track and the images. Originally
the film was meant to be shown in a space where the sound from the
right-hand speaker would be different from the sound on the left; and in
the middle you'd hear what you hear on the current soundtrack. So, what we
see in the screening is inevitably a compromise with the original
intention.*

*Hope this helps.*

*Scott*

*PS Conrad allowed the Warning to be as long as it is so it would be taken
seriously.*


On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Jonathan Walley 
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I’m showing *The Flicker* tomorrow in a seminar, and the print arrived
> from Filmmakers’ Coop with sound on CD (no optical track), which surprised
> me. When I’ve rented the film in the past, the print came had an optical
> track; to confirm my memory of this, I looked at images of the strip online
> (http://anthologyfilmarchives.org/collections/reference-library/stills/494).
> I don’t remember showing it any other way.
>
> The instructions that came with the print simply indicate that the CD
> should be started with the picture, but my understanding is that the rhythm
> of the sound is supposed to be synchronized with the flicker patterns in
> the image. Am I wrong?
>
> Anyone know something about this? I can contact MM at FMC (though I know
> she’s also on this list), but I thought I’d also put the question to the
> larger Frameworks community to see if anyone has projected *The Flicker*
> this way, and if anyone has tips, ideas, experiences, etc., to share.
>
> Tony Conrad: continuing to baffle and challenge us from beyond.
>
> Best,
> JW
>
> Dr. Jonathan Walley
> Associate Professor and Chair
> Department of Cinema
> Denison University
> wall...@denison.edu
>
>
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[Frameworks] Big Ears Festival film lineup

[Darren Hughes]

Dear all,

Back in October we posted a call for submissions here for Big Ears Festival
in Knoxville, TN. As a followup we wanted to share the (mostly) complete
film lineup, which features visiting filmmakers Roger Beebe, Jem Cohen,
Jonathan Demme, Kevin Jerome Everson, Janie Geiser, and Bill Morrison.

http://publiccinema.org/bigears

Other highlights include a 35mm screening of *Book of Days* (1989) by
Meredith Monk, who is performing at the festival, and the North American
premiere of a new restoration of Georges Roquier's *Farrebique* (1946),
which will be part of our celebration of Knoxville native James Agee. The
screening will include a discussion with Dr. Charles Maland, editor of the
new volume, *The Complete Film Reviews and Criticism of James Agee*, and
will be followed by a walking (and drinking) tour of Agee's Knoxville.

All of this is in addition to the typically strong music lineup, now
approaching 100 performances:

http://bigearsfestival.com

In the interest of transparency, we received 80 submissions and invited 12
of them to screen at the fest. Another submission, William Randall's *Methane
Ghosts*, didn't fit in the Big Ears lineup so we invited it to screen,
instead, at The Public Cinema before our recent showing of Deborah
Stratman's *The Illinois Parables*. In the end, premiere status had no
bearing in our selection process.

Big Ears shorts programs:
http://www.publiccinema.org/flicker17/
http://www.publiccinema.org/wow17/
http://www.publiccinema.org/kids/

Thanks, everyone, for your interest. We plan to keep our submission form
free and open throughout the year, so please keep The Public Cinema and Big
Ears in mind as a venue for your work.

http://www.publiccinema.org/submit/

Darren Hughes & Paul Harrill
*The Public Cinema*
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[Frameworks] The Flicker

[Jonathan Walley]

Hello everyone,

I’m showing The Flicker tomorrow in a seminar, and the print arrived from 
Filmmakers’ Coop with sound on CD (no optical track), which surprised me. When 
I’ve rented the film in the past, the print came had an optical track; to 
confirm my memory of this, I looked at images of the strip online 
(http://anthologyfilmarchives.org/collections/reference-library/stills/494 
). I 
don’t remember showing it any other way.

The instructions that came with the print simply indicate that the CD should be 
started with the picture, but my understanding is that the rhythm of the sound 
is supposed to be synchronized with the flicker patterns in the image. Am I 
wrong?  

Anyone know something about this? I can contact MM at FMC (though I know she’s 
also on this list), but I thought I’d also put the question to the larger 
Frameworks community to see if anyone has projected The Flicker this way, and 
if anyone has tips, ideas, experiences, etc., to share.

Tony Conrad: continuing to baffle and challenge us from beyond.

Best,
JW

Dr. Jonathan Walley
Associate Professor and Chair
Department of Cinema
Denison University
wall...@denison.edu



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