Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Baby Jane Hudson]

I've given up on Netscape.  On some FreeBSD-based machines
I have, it just core dumps... on others it works.  Nobody
seems to know (or care) why, so I would suggest following
the development of Gzilla and Amaya.

Of course, it would be immensely helpful if we knew what
mysterious person within netscape provided the port to
begin with (Hey, now there's a great idea) so we might ask
some questions.  But, that's what you get for free...


On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 03:01:38PM -0500, Luke wrote:
> I built 4.0 and after getting over the libcrypt thing it worked ok.
> But now every copy of netscape I have [5, all freebsd] 
> freezes the system, waiting, switching to ttyv* dont help. and it doesnt dump
> core or syslog anything. Im not exactly sure what info would be helpful.
> Anyways other than netscape it works great
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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Kenneth Wayne Culver]

> I've given up on Netscape.  On some FreeBSD-based machines
> I have, it just core dumps... on others it works.  Nobody
> seems to know (or care) why, so I would suggest following
> the development of Gzilla and Amaya.
> 
> Of course, it would be immensely helpful if we knew what
> mysterious person within netscape provided the port to
> begin with (Hey, now there's a great idea) so we might ask
> some questions.  But, that's what you get for free...
> 
> 
If you are having a problem with Netscape for FreeBSD, then just try the
Linux version.


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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Luke]

On 24-Jan-99 Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote:
>> I've given up on Netscape.  On some FreeBSD-based machines
>> I have, it just core dumps... on others it works.  Nobody
>> seems to know (or care) why, so I would suggest following
>> the development of Gzilla and Amaya.
>> 
>> Of course, it would be immensely helpful if we knew what
>> mysterious person within netscape provided the port to
>> begin with (Hey, now there's a great idea) so we might ask
>> some questions.  But, that's what you get for free...
>> 
>> 
> If you are having a problem with Netscape for FreeBSD, then just try the
> Linux version.

I was thinking of doing that, since FreeBSD can run BSDi,SCO, Linux etc
binaries, [I dont have Linux emulation installed (or even looked into)] which
one would be the best to try. It's become tiring since netscape forces hitting
the reset switch. I shouldnt be complaining :) I had 3.0-RELEASE and just had
to have that new number ..

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Jordan K. Hubbard]

I really don't understand the problems that everyone is having,
myself.  I've been running netscape (communicator 4.5) in -current for
ages now and just switched to 4.0 without any problems.  My netscape
still continues to function just fine and has never crashed any of
my system so much as once.

Why the wide disparity in experience, I wonder?

> On 24-Jan-99 Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote:
> >> I've given up on Netscape.  On some FreeBSD-based machines
> >> I have, it just core dumps... on others it works.  Nobody
> >> seems to know (or care) why, so I would suggest following
> >> the development of Gzilla and Amaya.
> >> 
> >> Of course, it would be immensely helpful if we knew what
> >> mysterious person within netscape provided the port to
> >> begin with (Hey, now there's a great idea) so we might ask
> >> some questions.  But, that's what you get for free...
> >> 
> >> 
> > If you are having a problem with Netscape for FreeBSD, then just try the
> > Linux version.
> 
> I was thinking of doing that, since FreeBSD can run BSDi,SCO, Linux e
tc
> binaries, [I dont have Linux emulation installed (or even looked into)] which
> one would be the best to try. It's become tiring since netscape forces hittin
g
> the reset switch. I shouldnt be complaining :) I had 3.0-RELEASE and just had
> to have that new number ..
> 
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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[sthaug]

> I really don't understand the problems that everyone is having,
> myself.  I've been running netscape (communicator 4.5) in -current for
> ages now and just switched to 4.0 without any problems.  My netscape
> still continues to function just fine and has never crashed any of
> my system so much as once.
> 
> Why the wide disparity in experience, I wonder?

On my system, running the FreeBSD 4.0[678] or 4.5 version, the setting
of MOZILLA_NO_ASYNC_DNS makes a noticeable difference.

With MOZILLA_NO_ASYNC_DNS turned off, Netscape uses normal name lookup
inside the netscape process itself. In 2.2.[78] this worked fine, in
3.0 I get frequent hangs if the name lookups take "too long". I can
avoid the hangs if I make sure that the name to IP address is in my
local name server cache (for instance by doing a manual nslookup or
similar on the name). This is of course rather cumbersome.

With MOZILLA_NO_ASYNC_DNS turned on, Netscape starts a separate (huge,
resource consuming) asynchronous DNS lookup daemon. But I don't get
the hangs.

Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sth...@nethelp.no

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Archie Cobbs]

Jordan K. Hubbard writes:
> I really don't understand the problems that everyone is having,
> myself.  I've been running netscape (communicator 4.5) in -current for
> ages now and just switched to 4.0 without any problems.  My netscape
> still continues to function just fine and has never crashed any of
> my system so much as once.
> 
> Why the wide disparity in experience, I wonder?

Do you ever run Java applets? Netscape 4.5 seems to work fine
until running Java, which kicks off some sort of time bomb.
Death is not immediate, but it is guaranteed.

-Archie

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Amancio Hasty]

http://www.developer.com/experts/expertspanel.html

click on Bar's Guide to the the Interactive Fiction and after
the page finishes loading click "Back" on Netscape's tool bar.

Instant core -dump.

Amancio


   


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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Nate Williams]

> > I really don't understand the problems that everyone is having,
> > myself.  I've been running netscape (communicator 4.5) in -current for
> > ages now and just switched to 4.0 without any problems.  My netscape
> > still continues to function just fine and has never crashed any of
> > my system so much as once.
> > 
> > Why the wide disparity in experience, I wonder?
> 
> Do you ever run Java applets? Netscape 4.5 seems to work fine
> until running Java, which kicks off some sort of time bomb.
> Death is not immediate, but it is guaranteed.

Agreed.  However, I disabled Java, and I can also get death anytime I
try to download a file using netscape.  Not fun.

In the interim I'm back to using 3.07, which is rock-solid but doesn't
support all of the java that I'd like it to. ;(


Nate

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Edwin Culp]

Nate Williams wrote:

> > > I really don't understand the problems that everyone is having,
> > > myself.  I've been running netscape (communicator 4.5) in -current for
> > > ages now and just switched to 4.0 without any problems.  My netscape
> > > still continues to function just fine and has never crashed any of
> > > my system so much as once.
> > >
> > > Why the wide disparity in experience, I wonder?
> >
> > Do you ever run Java applets? Netscape 4.5 seems to work fine
> > until running Java, which kicks off some sort of time bomb.
> > Death is not immediate, but it is guaranteed.
>
> Agreed.  However, I disabled Java, and I can also get death anytime I
> try to download a file using netscape.  Not fun.
>
> In the interim I'm back to using 3.07, which is rock-solid but doesn't
> support all of the java that I'd like it to. ;(
>
> Nate
>

I am current as of today 4.0, I have communicator 4.5 downloaded some time
ago (November more or less) directly from netscape and installed in
/usr/local/netscape with a link to /usr/local/bin/netscape and I have been
using it all day with no problems.  My intranet if full of java and haven't
had a problem, knock on wood:-) I just downloaded a 9M file after reading
your mail to see if that would cause a problem and it didn't.  Netscape is
"as stable as ever" on FreeBSD Current 4.0 for me.  That bothers me:-) I
wonder why?

ed



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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Nate Williams]

> > > > I really don't understand the problems that everyone is having,
> > > > myself.  I've been running netscape (communicator 4.5) in -current for
> > > > ages now and just switched to 4.0 without any problems.  My netscape
> > > > still continues to function just fine and has never crashed any of
> > > > my system so much as once.
> > > >
> > > > Why the wide disparity in experience, I wonder?
> > >
> > > Do you ever run Java applets? Netscape 4.5 seems to work fine
> > > until running Java, which kicks off some sort of time bomb.
> > > Death is not immediate, but it is guaranteed.
> >
> > Agreed.  However, I disabled Java, and I can also get death anytime I
> > try to download a file using netscape.  Not fun.
> 
> I am current as of today 4.0, I have communicator 4.5 downloaded some time
> ago (November more or less) directly from netscape and installed in
> /usr/local/netscape with a link to /usr/local/bin/netscape and I have been
> using it all day with no problems.  My intranet if full of java and haven't
> had a problem, knock on wood:-) I just downloaded a 9M file after reading
> your mail to see if that would cause a problem and it didn't.  Netscape is
> "as stable as ever" on FreeBSD Current 4.0 for me.  That bothers me:-) I
> wonder why?

I'm running 2.2-stable, so maybe that's a difference.


Nate

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Vallo Kallaste]

On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 04:21:16PM -0800, Amancio Hasty 
 wrote:

> http://www.developer.com/experts/expertspanel.html
> 
> click on Bar's Guide to the the Interactive Fiction and after
> the page finishes loading click "Back" on Netscape's tool bar.
> 
> Instant core -dump.

You are right. I'm running previously called 3.0-CURRENT and Netscape 
Navigator 4.5. Sources are from Dec.29 1998. Also I'm getting 
coredumps when loading a huge page containing tables(table) and then 
using "back". It always crashes when going back, not on initial 
loading. Why ?

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Amancio Hasty]

I think this is the first step to show the bug . The next step is to
pray that the netscape developer is listening so he can fix it . 
I think is odd that the bug  doesn't happen with the linux version
of netscape.



Cheers,
Amancio

> On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 04:21:16PM -0800, Amancio Hasty 
>  wrote:
> 
> > http://www.developer.com/experts/expertspanel.html
> > 
> > click on Bar's Guide to the the Interactive Fiction and after
> > the page finishes loading click "Back" on Netscape's tool bar.
> > 
> > Instant core -dump.
> 
> You are right. I'm running previously called 3.0-CURRENT and Netscape 
> Navigator 4.5. Sources are from Dec.29 1998. Also I'm getting 
> coredumps when loading a huge page containing tables(table) and then 
> using "back". It always crashes when going back, not on initial 
> loading. Why ?
> 
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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Forrest Aldrich]

I've a feeling that somewhere there is a memory
problem.  Netscape-specific perhaps, but I suspect
otherwise due to what I've seen.

For example:  the one machine that I have which 
will constantly dump core when Netscape is run
is an HP Vectra.  I've tried 3.0, 2.2.8, all current
patches, etc.  Core dump.  Yet when I loaded Linux,
it worked without incident.  

I have not yet tried Linux emulation, but will give
it a shot.

I suspected that perhaps the netscape binary needed
to be recompiled against a current system.  Why?
System calls are updated, etc.   There might be
something really funky going on.  The fact that it's
stripped of debugging symbols doesn't help much --
but perhaps someone more adept at debugging might
take a moment to look into it.


Forrest


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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Andrew Gordon]

On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:

> I really don't understand the problems that everyone is having,
> myself.  I've been running netscape (communicator 4.5) in -current for
> ages now and just switched to 4.0 without any problems.  My netscape
> still continues to function just fine and has never crashed any of
> my system so much as once.
> 
> Why the wide disparity in experience, I wonder?

One variable may be available memory.  On my system, with default datasize
limit of 16M from login.conf, Netscape coredumps very frequently.  With
datasize unlimited, Netscape eats all the available swap (this system is
64M real 128M swap) and kills the system that way.  I currently run
Netscape with datasize set to 64M, pending a new disc for more swap!  In
this configuration, Netscape either coredumps or starts behavhing oddly
about once every 3 days, but at least I can just restart it rather than
needing to reboot after a swap outage.

Colour depth also has an effect - changing from 8-bit to 32-bit on the X
server seems to have made this worse (as you might expect).


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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Archie Cobbs]

Nate Williams writes:
> > I am current as of today 4.0, I have communicator 4.5 downloaded some time
> > ago (November more or less) directly from netscape and installed in
> > /usr/local/netscape with a link to /usr/local/bin/netscape and I have been
> > using it all day with no problems.  My intranet if full of java and haven't
> > had a problem, knock on wood:-) I just downloaded a 9M file after reading
> > your mail to see if that would cause a problem and it didn't.  Netscape is
> > "as stable as ever" on FreeBSD Current 4.0 for me.  That bothers me:-) I
> > wonder why?
> 
> I'm running 2.2-stable, so maybe that's a difference.

Me too... (I get crashes running Java)

-Archie

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Sheldon Hearn]

On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:28:10 GMT, Andrew Gordon wrote:

> One variable may be available memory.  On my system, with default
> datasize limit of 16M from login.conf, Netscape coredumps very
> frequently.

Aha! That figures.

Since I upgraded to CURRENT, with its login.conf which defaults to
unlimited resources, my frequent netscape core dumps have gone away.

I hadn't realized why until now.

Suggestion: wwhen people complain about Netscape, ask them to mail us
back the output of ``ulimit -a''.

Thanks,
Sheldon.

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Matthew Dillon]

:One variable may be available memory.  On my system, with default datasize
:limit of 16M from login.conf, Netscape coredumps very frequently.  With
:datasize unlimited, Netscape eats all the available swap (this system is
:64M real 128M swap) and kills the system that way.  I currently run
:Netscape with datasize set to 64M, pending a new disc for more swap!  In
:this configuration, Netscape either coredumps or starts behavhing oddly
:about once every 3 days, but at least I can just restart it rather than
:needing to reboot after a swap outage.
:
:Colour depth also has an effect - changing from 8-bit to 32-bit on the X
:server seems to have made this worse (as you might expect).

I've been using netscape on a 24bit color system for well over a year
and have never had a serious memory leak problem or X session ( or
machine ) crashing due to it.  I don't leave the netscape window open
all the time, though... I tend to exit out of it when I'm not using it.

-Matt
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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Andrew Gordon]

On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote:
> :One variable may be available memory.  On my system, with default datasize
> :limit of 16M from login.conf, Netscape coredumps very frequently.  With
> 
> I've been using netscape on a 24bit color system for well over a year
> and have never had a serious memory leak problem or X session ( or
> machine ) crashing due to it.  I don't leave the netscape window open
> all the time, though... I tend to exit out of it when I'm not using it.
> 
>   -Matt
>   Matthew Dillon 
>   

Just to clarify:

1) I'm not sure I would necesarily accuse Netscape of having a leak:
   what with caching pages in RAM and the allocation policy of whatever
   malloc they use, maybe it really needs this much and would stabilise
   at some size of 100M+ - I just don't have the swap space to find out.

2) I have never seen a system crash as such.  However, having the X server
   killed due to out-of-swap leaves the console fouled up and so could
   easily be mis-described as a crash.



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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Luke]

> Aha! That figures.
> 
> Since I upgraded to CURRENT, with its login.conf which defaults to
> unlimited resources, my frequent netscape core dumps have gone away.
> 
> I hadn't realized why until now.
> 
> Suggestion: wwhen people complain about Netscape, ask them to mail us
> back the output of ``ulimit -a''.
> 
My login.conf has unlimited for everything for myself and netscape still
crashes/locks up. And I have 64M/175swap so I dont think its running out of
memory.
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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Forrest Aldrich]

My setup is about the same.  I just modified all my login.conf
defaults to be unlimited/infinity.  Still the same crappy core dumps.


Forrest

On Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 08:47:29PM -0500, Luke wrote:
> > Aha! That figures.
> > 
> > Since I upgraded to CURRENT, with its login.conf which defaults to
> > unlimited resources, my frequent netscape core dumps have gone away.
> > 
> > I hadn't realized why until now.
> > 
> > Suggestion: wwhen people complain about Netscape, ask them to mail us
> > back the output of ``ulimit -a''.
> > 
> My login.conf has unlimited for everything for myself and netscape 
> still
> crashes/locks up. And I have 64M/175swap so I dont think its running out of
> memory.
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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Eugeny Kuzakov]

Вы писали: 
> Nate Williams writes:
>> > I am current as of today 4.0, I have communicator 4.5 downloaded some time
>> > ago (November more or less) directly from netscape and installed in
>> > /usr/local/netscape with a link to /usr/local/bin/netscape and I have been
>> > using it all day with no problems.  My intranet if full of java and haven't
>> > had a problem, knock on wood:-) I just downloaded a 9M file after reading
>> > your mail to see if that would cause a problem and it didn't.  Netscape is
>> > "as stable as ever" on FreeBSD Current 4.0 for me.  That bothers me:-) I
>> > wonder why?
>> I'm running 2.2-stable, so maybe that's a difference.
> Me too... (I get crashes running Java)
And me too..
Now netscape(with java too...) works for me, but after disabling splash...
I can not understand it...
I cvsuped&rebuilded system at 25-jan-1999..

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai]

On 26-Jan-99 Andrew Gordon wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote:
>> :One variable may be available memory.  On my system, with default
>> :datasize
>> :limit of 16M from login.conf, Netscape coredumps very frequently.  With
>> 
>> I've been using netscape on a 24bit color system for well over a
>> year and have never had a serious memory leak problem or X
>> session ( or machine ) crashing due to it.  I don't leave the
>> netscape window open all the time, though... I tend to exit
>> out of it when I'm not using it.

This would indicate that it might have to do then with prolonged exposure
to memory and the memory-system(s) (swap, paging). Is there anyway to
monitor the syscalls and the amount of memory used and released by each
call Matt? Hope ye see where I'm getting at...

> 1) I'm not sure I would necesarily accuse Netscape of having a leak:
>what with caching pages in RAM and the allocation policy of whatever
>malloc they use, maybe it really needs this much and would stabilise
>at some size of 100M+ - I just don't have the swap space to find out.

Yer kidding right? A program that _needs_ 100 MB or more? Surely yer
kidding... I haven't seen a program in normal corporate/home use that
justifies the memory usage of 100 MB or more including NetScape's
Navigator/Communicator.
 
> 2) I have never seen a system crash as such.  However, having the X
> server killed due to out-of-swap leaves the console fouled up and so
> could easily be mis-described as a crash.

I wonder if X could be the originator of the problems, my guess is it can't
since Linux uses the same X and I haven't heard any complaints from that
corner.

Also it's nice that the program dumps core, but afaik without debug symbols
it's not much use.

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Reginald S. Perry]

I have been having these X lockups with the linux netscape 4.5
running. I may have exacerbated it when I installed the linux
realplayer and macromedia flash plugins. 

I would like to have a methodology to help debug this, but I have just 
this one system to use as the debug system. I do also have a vt220
which I could set up if that would help.

The key here is that for me it locks the system up completely. I
cannot telnet in remotely and the ctrl-alt-esc key sequence does not
work so its unclear to me how to debug this. Tell me what I would need 
to help debug it, and I will try to be of some help. Ill attach my
dmesg output.

-Reggie

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bt0: BT-958 FW Rev. 5.06I Ultra Wide SCSI Host Adapter, SCSI ID 7, 192 CCBs
fxp0:  rev 0x02 int a irq 16 on 
pci0.20.0
fxp0: Ethernet address 00:a0:c9:90:bb:52
Probing for PnP devices:
CSN 1 Vendor ID: CTL009e [0x9e008c0e] Serial 0x0d9191f1 Comp ID: PNPb02f 
[0x2fb0d041]
Probing for devices on the ISA bus:
sc0 on isa
sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0>
atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard
atkbd0 irq 1 on isa
psm0 irq 12 on isa
psm0: model GlidePoint, device ID 0
sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa
sio0: type 16550A
sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa
sio1: type 16550A
lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
lp0: TCP/IP capable interface
fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in
wdc0 not found at 0x1f0
wdc1 not found at 0x170
bt: unit number (1) too high
bt1 not found at 0x330
vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa msize 131072 on isa
npx0 on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
sb0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa
snd0:  
sbxvi0 at drq 5 on isa
snd0:  
sbmidi0 at 0x330 on isa
snd0:  
opl0 at 0x388 on isa
snd0:  
awe0 at 0x620 on isa
awe0: 
Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug
APIC_IO: Testing 8254 interrupt delivery
APIC_IO: routing 8254 via pin 2
Waiting 2 seconds for SCSI devices to settle
SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched!
sa0 at bt0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0
sa0:  Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device 
sa0: 10.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 8)
da0 at bt0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
da0:  Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
da0: 40.0MB/s transfers (20.0MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled
da0: 4134MB (8467200 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 527C)
da1 at bt0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0
da1:  Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
da1: 40.0MB/s transfers (20.0MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled
da1: 4134MB (8467200 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 527C)
changing root device to da0s1a
WARNING: / was not properly dismounted
vinum: loaded
cd0 at bt0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0
cd0:  Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device 
cd0: 10.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 8)
cd0: cd present [296322 x 2048 byte records]
ffs_mountfs: superblock updated for soft updates
ffs_mountfs: superblock updated for soft updates
ffs_mountfs: superblock updated for soft updates
ffs_mountfs: superblock updated for soft updates
ffs_mountfs: superblock updated for soft updates
ffs_mountfs: superblock updated for soft updates
ffs_mountfs: superblock updated for soft updates
ffs_mountfs: superblock updated for soft updates



>"Asmodai" == Asmodai   writes:

> On 26-Jan-99 Andrew Gordon wrote: On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Matthew
> Dillon wrote:
>> :One variable may be available memory.  On my system, with default
>> :datasize
>> :limit of 16M from login.conf, Netscape coredumps very frequently.
> With
>>
>> I've been using netscape on a 24bit color system for well over a
>> year and have never had a serious memory leak problem or X
>> session ( or machine ) crashing due to it.  I don't leave the
>> netscape window open all the time, though... I tend to exit
>> out of it when I'm not using 

Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Alfred Perlstein]

On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Reginald S. Perry wrote:

> I have been having these X lockups with the linux netscape 4.5
> running. I may have exacerbated it when I installed the linux
> realplayer and macromedia flash plugins. 
> 
> I would like to have a methodology to help debug this, but I have just 
> this one system to use as the debug system. I do also have a vt220
> which I could set up if that would help.
> 
> The key here is that for me it locks the system up completely. I
> cannot telnet in remotely and the ctrl-alt-esc key sequence does not
> work so its unclear to me how to debug this. Tell me what I would need 
> to help debug it, and I will try to be of some help. Ill attach my
> dmesg output.
> 
> -Reggie
>

options DDB
options BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER   #a BREAK on a comconsole goes to
options INVARIANTS
options INVARIANT_SUPPORT
   
device  sio0at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr
device  sio1at isa? port "IO_COM2" flags 0x30 tty irq 3 vector siointr
  
 
my 'sio2' is setup with special flags to make it always be the consol.
look in lint for more hints.

when the machine locks:
send a break:
if on vt220: F5
using tip/cu:~%

take a look at 'ps' and copy it down to see what's up.

you may also want to enable crash dumps, look in rc.conf and set
your 'dumpdevice' to your swap partition.  then you can type 'panic'
and get a core image of the system to look at.

on the next reboot you can 'kdb' the kernel and then type 'bt' to
get a backtrace.

i have a vt320 for vanity purposes :), but i suggest you use a
serial line into an xterm on another box if you can, ddb isn't the
nicest interface and being able to cut and paste in and out of ddb
in an xterm is nice.

-Alfred


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RE: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[paul]

> -Original Message-
> From: Reginald S. Perry [mailto:pe...@zso.dec.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 7:35 AM
> To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai
> Cc: Andrew Gordon; curr...@freebsd.org; Matthew Dillon
> Subject: Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system 
> 
> 
> I have been having these X lockups with the linux netscape 4.5
> running. I may have exacerbated it when I installed the linux
> realplayer and macromedia flash plugins. 
> 
> I would like to have a methodology to help debug this, but I 
> have just 
> this one system to use as the debug system. I do also have a vt220
> which I could set up if that would help.
> 
> The key here is that for me it locks the system up completely. I
> cannot telnet in remotely and the ctrl-alt-esc key sequence does not
> work so its unclear to me how to debug this. Tell me what I 
> would need 
> to help debug it, and I will try to be of some help. Ill attach my
> dmesg output.
> 

I've had the problem recently and in the past where the system locks up
completely and a lot of the time the speaker starts a continuous beep.
Locks up solid, requires a power-cycle.

It's not a new problem, it used to happen a lot on my dual processor box
and I've had it happen a few time this week on my single processor dev
box. The hardware is very different on both boxes and compared to yours
so the cause must be somewhere fairly generic.

I *think* Netscape was in use every time but I can't see how netscape
itself can be directly responsible for a system lockup, it must be
tickling some interrupt problem.

Paul.

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Sheldon Hearn]

On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:46:18 +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:

> Yer kidding right? A program that _needs_ 100 MB or more? Surely yer
> kidding... I haven't seen a program in normal corporate/home use that
> justifies the memory usage of 100 MB or more including NetScape's
> Navigator/Communicator.

You haven't had to provide an ISP-grade news or proxy service yet, have
you? :-)

Ignoring that comment, since I assume you meant "I haven't seen an
end-user application in...", it _is_ conceivable that the way Netscape
keeps track of its cache _does_ mean an inevitable requirement for
enormous amounts of memory.

I still don't think we're getting any closer to the question "Why is
Netscape unstable on CURRENT when it worked fine for me on STABLE?" The
problem seems to be that those who know enough to offer a useful answer
don't seem to be seeing the instability reported.

So if this thread isn't going to be dropped, the focus should probably
be shifted to "What information should we request from people who have
this problem?"

Ciao,
Sheldon.

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Brian Feldman]

On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote:

> 
> 
> On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:46:18 +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:
> 
> > Yer kidding right? A program that _needs_ 100 MB or more? Surely yer
> > kidding... I haven't seen a program in normal corporate/home use that
> > justifies the memory usage of 100 MB or more including NetScape's
> > Navigator/Communicator.
> 
> You haven't had to provide an ISP-grade news or proxy service yet, have
> you? :-)
> 
> Ignoring that comment, since I assume you meant "I haven't seen an
> end-user application in...", it _is_ conceivable that the way Netscape
> keeps track of its cache _does_ mean an inevitable requirement for
> enormous amounts of memory.
> 
> I still don't think we're getting any closer to the question "Why is
> Netscape unstable on CURRENT when it worked fine for me on STABLE?" The
> problem seems to be that those who know enough to offer a useful answer
> don't seem to be seeing the instability reported.
> 
> So if this thread isn't going to be dropped, the focus should probably
> be shifted to "What information should we request from people who have
> this problem?"
> 
> Ciao,
> Sheldon.

If you have Netscape problems, it would be worthwhile to try removing
-DVM_STACK from src/sys/compile/BLAH/Makefile and doing a make clean all
install. I am pretty certain this is the cause of Netscape crashing, at least
on startup...

> 
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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Richard Seaman, Jr.]

On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 10:20:14AM -0500, Brian Feldman wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote:
> > 
> > I still don't think we're getting any closer to the question "Why is
> > Netscape unstable on CURRENT when it worked fine for me on STABLE?" The
> > problem seems to be that those who know enough to offer a useful answer
> > don't seem to be seeing the instability reported.
> > 
> > So if this thread isn't going to be dropped, the focus should probably
> > be shifted to "What information should we request from people who have
> > this problem?"
> > 
> > Ciao,
> > Sheldon.
> 
> If you have Netscape problems, it would be worthwhile to try removing
> -DVM_STACK from src/sys/compile/BLAH/Makefile and doing a make clean all
> install. I am pretty certain this is the cause of Netscape crashing, at least
> on startup...

Anything is possible.  FWIW, though, I've been running with -DVM_STACK 
enabled for over a month, and I use Netscape 4.5 everyday, and never had 
a problem.  

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Richard Seaman, Jr.]

On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 10:02:31AM -0600, Richard Seaman, Jr. wrote:
> > If you have Netscape problems, it would be worthwhile to try removing
> > -DVM_STACK from src/sys/compile/BLAH/Makefile and doing a make clean all
> > install. I am pretty certain this is the cause of Netscape crashing, at 
> > least
> > on startup...
> 
> Anything is possible.  FWIW, though, I've been running with -DVM_STACK 
> enabled for over a month, and I use Netscape 4.5 everyday, and never had 
> a problem.  

One other thing...  -DVM_STACK has been the "default" for only about 36
hours now.  

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Brian Feldman]

On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Richard Seaman, Jr. wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 10:20:14AM -0500, Brian Feldman wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote:
> > > 
> > > I still don't think we're getting any closer to the question "Why is
> > > Netscape unstable on CURRENT when it worked fine for me on STABLE?" The
> > > problem seems to be that those who know enough to offer a useful answer
> > > don't seem to be seeing the instability reported.
> > > 
> > > So if this thread isn't going to be dropped, the focus should probably
> > > be shifted to "What information should we request from people who have
> > > this problem?"
> > > 
> > > Ciao,
> > > Sheldon.
> > 
> > If you have Netscape problems, it would be worthwhile to try removing
> > -DVM_STACK from src/sys/compile/BLAH/Makefile and doing a make clean all
> > install. I am pretty certain this is the cause of Netscape crashing, at 
> > least
> > on startup...
> 
> Anything is possible.  FWIW, though, I've been running with -DVM_STACK 
> enabled for over a month, and I use Netscape 4.5 everyday, and never had 
> a problem.  


Netscape 4.08 here, never had VM_STACK being used before most recent kernel.
I booted with a new kernel to find out netscape sig11d on start-up. Then I
booted /kernel.old and Netscape worked fine. So I booted a brand-new kernel
without VM_STACK and Netscape runs. Go figure? :) The old kernel had not
VM_STACK. Anyhoo, I'm making world in hopes of getting rid of that damned ps
error.

> 
> -- 
> Richard Seamman, Jr.  email: d...@tar.com
> 5182 N. Maple Lanephone: 414-367-5450
> Chenequa WI 53058 fax:   414-367-5852
> 

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Parag Patel]

Just another data point.  I just updated my 2xPII/300 system to 
4.0-CURRENT last night (Tues Jan 26), and I'm running Netscape 4.5 just 
fine - no crashes od any odd behavior at all.  VM_STACK is defined, I 
have 256Mb RAM, and 256Mb swap (which is currently untouched since the 
reboot) striped across 2 disks.  A make -j8 buildworld also succeeded 
early this morning at about 5am.  Softupdates is turned on for all 
disks and all partitions except /tmp which is async mfs.


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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Richard Seaman, Jr.]

On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 11:04:22AM -0800, Parag Patel wrote:
> 
> Just another data point.  I just updated my 2xPII/300 system to 
> 4.0-CURRENT last night (Tues Jan 26), and I'm running Netscape 4.5 just 
> fine - no crashes od any odd behavior at all.  VM_STACK is defined, I 
> have 256Mb RAM, and 256Mb swap (which is currently untouched since the 
> reboot) striped across 2 disks.  A make -j8 buildworld also succeeded 
> early this morning at about 5am.  Softupdates is turned on for all 
> disks and all partitions except /tmp which is async mfs.

In private mail, Brian Feldman has indicated his problem was NOT
the VM_STACK option, but was another configuration problem that
he since fixed.

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Reginald S. Perry]

I finally got everything set up as far as having my vt220 being my
console and being able to drop into DDB by hitting the break key.

It turns out that as part of my setup I was using MFS for /tmp. When I
did a CVSup and make world on the 29th, I decided to comment out the
MFS mount point. I have not had a hang since then.

So the question is are there known problems with MFS?


-Reggie

>"Alfred" == Alfred Perlstein  writes:


> On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Reginald S. Perry wrote: I have been having
> these X lockups with the linux netscape 4.5 running. I may have
> exacerbated it when I installed the linux realplayer and macromedia
> flash plugins.
> 
> I would like to have a methodology to help debug this, but I have
> just this one system to use as the debug system. I do also have a
> vt220 which I could set up if that would help.
> 
> The key here is that for me it locks the system up completely. I
> cannot telnet in remotely and the ctrl-alt-esc key sequence does not
> work so its unclear to me how to debug this. Tell me what I would
> need to help debug it, and I will try to be of some help. Ill attach
> my dmesg output.
> 
> -Reggie
>

> options DDB options BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER #a BREAK on a comconsole goes
> to options INVARIANTS options INVARIANT_SUPPORT
   
> device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr device
> sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" flags 0x30 tty irq 3 vector siointr
  
 
> my 'sio2' is setup with special flags to make it always be the
> consol.  look in lint for more hints.

> when the machine locks: send a break: if on vt220: F5 using tip/cu:
> ~%

> take a look at 'ps' and copy it down to see what's up.

> you may also want to enable crash dumps, look in rc.conf and set
> your 'dumpdevice' to your swap partition.  then you can type 'panic'
> and get a core image of the system to look at.

> on the next reboot you can 'kdb' the kernel and then type 'bt' to
> get a backtrace.

> i have a vt320 for vanity purposes :), but i suggest you use a
> serial line into an xterm on another box if you can, ddb isn't the
> nicest interface and being able to cut and paste in and out of ddb
> in an xterm is nice.

> -Alfred


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