Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion
On 5/1/06, Lucas Holt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On May 1, 2006, at 9:23 AM, Maslan wrote: > > That's right, but sunos (earlier than solaris) was based on bsd. > www : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunos Sun OS is how I got into BSD. My first sparc had sunos 4.21 on it. It was definitely BSD. It makes sense considering Bill Joy co- founded sun. I ended up putting NetBSD on that sparc and later found FreeBSD. SunOS 4.1.4 (aka Solaris 1.1.?(1 maybe? It's been a long time now.)) was the final release of SunOS 4. It was basically 4.1.3_U1 with a couple of other minor fixes merged in. I spent a very long time porting software from SunOS 4 to Solaris 2.3|4|5 during that time as we transitioned from our older Sun4c|m based servers and hosts to Sun4u (which of course only ran Solaris 2.5 and beyond (or Solaris 4 with patches, but those weren't general release and outside of Sun and Pixar, I don't know anyone who had access to these)). Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Dan Langille wrote: > On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Avleen Vig wrote: > > All the have to do is look at the handbook. And if they can't find the > > link on the *front page* of freebsd.org, under the clearly labelled > > catagory of "Support", then there is very little we can or should do > > to help them. After a point, enough is enough. If the user isn't > > prepared to educate themselves, your attempts will ultimately fail. > *That* explanation is vast difference to saying they have to read man > pcm(4). The difference is sigficicant. It also presumes the end user has net access, which is not a given. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: -stable needs rw obj dir for install?
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Julian Elischer wrote: > On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, William Grim wrote: > > Julian Elischer wrote: > > >There in fact was a time problem. > > I don't know how it was determined that there was a time sync problem; > > however, in general, "make" creates updated object files depending on > > the time an object was created. If the source code is newer than the > > object that would be built from the source code, then the object is > > rebuilt. > > Maybe this will help you understand why the times have to be in sync > > between and NFS server and client > Well of course I know that, but THEORETICALLY all the dependencies were > ALSO on the NFS partition so they should still have matched the result. > There must be a dependency on something outside of /usr/src/ or /usr/obj No, the timestamp on the files is written by the server that the physical disk lives on, but make is reading the local clock, so if they aren't in sync, make gets real confused real fast. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: cons25 and xterm
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, zera holladay wrote: > Hello, when I ssh to my school Unix account > (unfortunately solaris) from my local host's command > line and when I attempt to clear the screen, I get an > error message from the remote host: `cons25`: unknown > terminal type. The remote host is $TERM=xterm. My > local machine is FreeBSD's default $TERM=cons25. Once you've logged into the Solaris box: setenv TERM sun or whatever equivalent is appropriate for your shell. This works for me logging into Sun and SGI boxes from a FreeBSD console. You can also set it to vt100, but type sun appears to be slightly more SCO compatibile to me. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: 5.2 install hangs
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Socketd wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:22:30 +0100 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) wrote: > > > how long did you wait? > > Not long, 1-1½ min I guess. > > > do you have anything connected to the secondary ata channel? > > The cdrom-drive has one channel and the disk and the floppy share the > other. (If that's what you mean). Put the LS-120 and the CDROM drive on the same controller. I have my machine setup with the ls120 as master on ATA1 and my DVD-RW as secondary, running 5.2-R on my machine with no problems. On ATA0 I have a pair of HDDs, but one or two won't matter so long as you jumper the drive as single master for ATA0. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral
On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: :Terry Lambert said on Jul 10, 2001 at 09:56:58: :> :> Also, you should be aware that in commercial deployment, :> having a compiler on board the system is often considered :> a bad thing, as it permits entre to exploiters bringing :> their own programs onto the system. : :I've seen people disable compilers before, but I haven't understood :how it helps. You can compile elsewhere and bring the binary onto the :system, can't you? Unless the system is some extremely rare OS or :doesn't ship with a compiler at all -- neither of which is true of :FreeBSD. It's a barrier to entry. Not everyone has your FreeBSD release level at home, or Solaris, Irix, AIX, HP/UX, etc. readily available to them. With FreeBSD (and Linux) it's easier to overcome, but it requires more effort on the script kiddie contingent's part. They're your most likely attacker anyway, and anyone who really wants in isn't going to be derailed by anything but inplugging the machine and turning it off. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral
On 10 Jul 2001, Rajappa Iyer wrote: :Jamie Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : :> On 10 Jul 2001, Rajappa Iyer wrote: : :> :One of the nice things I like about FreeBSD (and I daresay I'm not :> :alone in this) is that when I install it, I know that I'll get a :> :kernel with a corresponding full and functional userland. I see the :> :packaging of this `base system' as a bunch of (meta)packages as the :> :thin edge of the wedge---pretty soon FreeBSD will resemble the :> :hodge-podge collection of different (often conflicting) packages that :> :Linux is. :> :> Where as I see the ability to incrementally upgrade only the parts of the :> OS that have changed from release to release as I can do right now in :> Irix. : :Yes, I understand the argument, but fear that it's all too easy to get :into the kind of package mess that all Linux dists have. It would :require considerable amount of release engineering and testing to get :everything right. Do you really think it's worth expending that :amount of effort for an arguably minor improvement? I wouldn't call having that kind of improvement minor. For all inst/swmgr's warts, I can use it on a graphics or serial console with no problem. I can use it to do network installs of new machines or network upgrades on existing machines. Part of what makes it as usefull as it is is tied to the SGI Prom having network support built in, which most PC's lack (I'd say all, but someone, somewhere, would present a motherboard with onboard networking and a bios that had network support). This can be overcome with a minimal kernel (and even SGI goes this route with the miniroot). Is Irix the best Unix in the world? No, but there are some damn nice aspects to it, and it wouldn't hurt to emulate it where it shines. It will of course install from local CDROM or tape drive as well. One of Irix's shining features is its installation and package management systems, which are one and the same. You can load scripts from within it to automate with subsystems are installed (guaranteeing consistency of the machines you have to manage). Part of my default installation handles instified third party software, because I can. I could automate the process to the level of Solaris' Jumpstart if I chose, but don't have enough machines here to warrant that level of automation. And at anytime, I can remove a subsystem (like printing for example if I decide I don't need it) without manually digging through the OS directory tree and deleting bits (that something else may require that I wasn't aware of). Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Rasputin wrote: :* Jamie Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010710 12:42]: :> On 10 Jul 2001, Rajappa Iyer wrote: : :> :One of the nice things I like about FreeBSD (and I daresay I'm not :> :alone in this) is that when I install it, I know that I'll get a :> :kernel with a corresponding full and functional userland. I see the :> :packaging of this `base system' as a bunch of (meta)packages as the :> :thin edge of the wedge---pretty soon FreeBSD will resemble the :> :hodge-podge collection of different (often conflicting) packages that :> :Linux is. : :> Where as I see the ability to incrementally upgrade only the parts of the :> OS that have changed from release to release as I can do right now in :> Irix. : :I may be low on caffeine, but I don't see how breaking up the base system :into packages makes it any easier to upgrade than using cvsup? :Id have thought it would require more work to upgrade under some system :similar to the ports tree (at least that's my experience) :But like I said, I've probably misread this post. You're expecting the whole world to keep the source tree on disk and recompile the OS. Once I've done this, I cannot regress. This is unrealistic in production environments. I can update Irix without shutting down, and a single reboot at the end to load the new kernel. Everything is tracked via inst/swmgr, any part can be upgraded or downgraded as necessary, including dependancies. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral
On 10 Jul 2001, Rajappa Iyer wrote: :Jordan Hubbard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : :> Well, I'd sorta like to *see* them before writing the coding :> equivalent of a blank check, but given reasonably functional :> implementations, sure, I'd be happy to commit your "sysinstall :> mountpoint auto-discovery" and "release package metadata" :> enhancements. : :One of the nice things I like about FreeBSD (and I daresay I'm not :alone in this) is that when I install it, I know that I'll get a :kernel with a corresponding full and functional userland. I see the :packaging of this `base system' as a bunch of (meta)packages as the :thin edge of the wedge---pretty soon FreeBSD will resemble the :hodge-podge collection of different (often conflicting) packages that :Linux is. Where as I see the ability to incrementally upgrade only the parts of the OS that have changed from release to release as I can do right now in Irix. You know, it's funny that you told me Irix is antiquated not long ago Terry, it has most of the feature set you seem to be looking for. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Netscape and shared objects.
:02pm ghast /home/jamie %netscape ld.so failed: Can't find shared library "libXt.so.6.0" 4:02pm ghast /home/jamie %runas ldconfig -r | grep libXt.so 77:-lXt.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 I'm curious, is there something special about netsape that I should know? This is FreeBSD 4.2-R and Netscape 4.76 for i386 unkown BSD. I went ahead and softlinked /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 to /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6.0, but that hasn't had a noticable effect. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Possible bug in 3.4
On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Wes Peters wrote: :The 1510 is a notoriously weak little piece of compu-trash. Put the :internal tape drive on your 2940 and be happy. While I can appreciate your disdain for the card in question, I'd still like to know if anyone has any ideas on why FreeBSD won't boot when I plug the tape drive in. It's an Archive Python 25588-xxx according to NT and 98, in case anyone cares. After I upgrade in the near future, I should have enough PCI slots to dump the 1510 and plug in the Symbios Logic card I have. The goal is to get the hard drives on one bus, and the misc. peripherals on another. Jamie Bowden -- "Of course, that's sort of like asking how other than Marketing, Microsoft is different from any other software company..." Kenneth G. Cavness To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Possible bug in 3.4
he bus before plugging in the tape drive. It was worth a shot. >From a cold or warm boot the kernel loads, and when it probes SCSI devices, the machine locks up if the tape drive is plugged in. Here's the config file from the machine in question: 12:15am animaniacs /home/jamie %cat /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/animaniacs machine "i386" cpu "I586_CPU" #aka Pentium(tm) ident animaniacs maxusers64 options INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE #Include this file in kernel options INET#InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT#FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options PROCFS #Process filesystem options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options SCSI_DELAY=5000 #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device options IDE_DELAY=5000 #Be optimistic about Joe IDE device options UCONSOLE#Allow users to grab the console options USER_LDT#allow user-level control of i386 ldt options "CPU_FASTER_5X86_FPU" options "CPU_WT_ALLOC" options "NO_F00F_HACK" options "NO_MEMORY_HOLE" options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG options AHC_ALLOW_MEMIO options "VM86" options VESA#needs VM86 defined too!! options MROUTING#Multicast routing options "ICMP_BANDLIM" options MAXCONS=8 #number of virtual consoles options "AUTO_EOI_1" options "AUTO_EOI_2" config kernel root on da0 controller pnp0 controller isa0 controller pci0 controller fdc0at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 diskfd0 at fdc0 drive 0 diskfd1 at fdc0 drive 1 controller wdc0at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 flags 0xa0ffa0ff diskwd0 at wdc0 drive 0 controller wdc1at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 flags 0xa0ffa0ff diskwd2 at wdc1 drive 0 controller aic0at isa? port ? cam irq ? controller ahc0 controller scbus0 at ahc0 #base SCSI code controller scbus1 at aic0 device da0 #SCSI direct access devices (aka disks) device pass0 #CAM passthrough driver device cd0 #SCSI CD-ROMs device ch0 #SCSI media changer device sa0 #SCSI tape device device od0 #SCSI optical device device sc0 at isa? tty controller atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD tty device atkbd0 at isa? tty irq 1 device vga0at isa? port ? conflicts device npx0at isa? port IO_NPX iosiz 0x0 flags 0x0 irq 13 device sio0at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 device sio1at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 #device psm0at isa? tty irq 12 device fxp0 controller snd0 device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 device sbxvi0 at isa? drq 5 device sbmidi0 at isa? port 0x330 device opl0at isa? port 0x388 device joy0at isa? port "IO_GAME" controller uhci0 controller usb0 device uhub0 device ugen0 controller ppc0at isa? port? net irq 7 controller ppbus0 device lpt0at ppbus? device plip0 at ppbus? device ppi0at ppbus? pseudo-device loop#Network loopback device pseudo-device ether #Generic Ethernet pseudo-device pty 64 #Pseudo ttys - can go as high as 256 pseudo-device ppp 2 #Point-to-point protocol pseudo-device splash pseudo-device gzip# Exec gzipped a.out's Am I just being an idiot and missing something plain as day here, or is there a real problem? Jamie Bowden -- "Of course, that's sort of like asking how other than Marketing, Microsoft is different from any other software company..." Kenneth G. Cavness To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Sysinstall 'A'uto partitioning
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: :"Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: :> > Or are you saying that the newbie option would just use the :> > entire disk as one partition (the way that MacOS 10 server :> > does...)? :> No, that's evil for a lot of reasons which I won't go into here. :) :I don't agree... A small /, and a huge /usr, with an additional var :symlink, shouldn't cause any troubles to newbies, and avoid some :problems. I think that the "use all available space" option ought to do :this. Something like this: 12:44pm lich /home/jamie %df -k Filesystem Type kbytes use avail %use Mounted on /dev/root xfs998162931970497 30 / /dev/usrxfs 8717760 2909580 5808180 34 /usr This is an Irix box, but I tend to partition my FreeBSD boxes the same way (for workstations anyway, servers of course vary; which was the point of this discussion I believe). Even with servers I only vary the above slightly. If a part of the directory tree needs more space I will throw a disk on and slice it up. Here's a sample: 12:48pm banshee /home/jamie %df -k Filesystem Type kbytes use avail %use Mounted on /dev/root xfs998163399765819 35 / /dev/usrxfs 4166080 3202004 964076 77 /usr /dev/dsk/dks1d4s7 xfs 8759744 1916808 6842936 22 /usr/home5 /dev/dsk/dks1d2s7 xfs 4268480 520436 3748044 13 /usr/local The next chunk of space to get it's own drive is /var/spool, which for me contains user mail queues as well as mqueue, named maps, and ftp's home. Optimally you would just add more space a grow a filesystem into it, but that unrealistic for a multitude of reasons. I have swap divided among the three drives currently like so: 12:52pm banshee /home/jamie %swap -l lswap path devpri swaplo blocks free maxswapvswap 1 /dev/swap 0,1050 0 262144 262144 2621440 2 /dev/dsk/dks1d2s2 0,1480 0 262144 262144 2621440 3 /dev/dsk/dks1d4s2 0,1550 0 262144 262144 2621440 /dev/root, /dev/usr, and /dev/swap all come off the root drive, which Irix uses the above easy to remember names for. I could just as easily mount them using the actual device node entries as well. Someone mentioned booting off mirrored drives. This I've done before as well. I've done it in Solaris and Irix. Sun's meta tools are an example of how not to do this. One way mirroring, you start with two filesystems, one live, one empty, and hope your corruption doesn't spread to your mirror should you have any. This was as of Solaris 2.6.1. If disksuite got any better in 2.7, or 2.8, I don't know. With Irix you have two raw devices, which you assign as mirrors, and you then newfs and apply data. If either fails, it drops till you repair and bring it back online. Still not as nice as external SCSI to SCSI RAID doing it for you, but definately better than the above. I won's say XLV is perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it beats Disksuite all to hell for a software RAID solution. Disksuite and XLV both support 0+1, and it's basically the same as using single partitions as mirrors. Suffice it to say, if you have to deal with /dev/md on a Solaris box, run. Jamie Bowden -- "Of course, that's sort of like asking how other than Marketing, Microsoft is different from any other software company..." Kenneth G. Cavness To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: rpc.lockd and xdr.
On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, David E. Cross wrote: :Version 2 of the lock manager is ready to be released. Amitha :says that it passes all of the tests in the suite posted by Drew (thanks :Drew). A noteable exception to this is on SGI where some lock requests :are never even received from the remote host. Also DOS sharing is not :yet complete. Any idea why this is? I only ask because: 12:12pm banshee /home/jamie %uname -aR IRIX64 banshee 6.5 6.5.5m 07151433 IP25 I have some PC's that I'm interested in putting FreeBSD on (other than my laptop) that would be on the network fulltime, and working NFS locking is really the only stumbling bock for me now. Jamie Bowden -- "Of course, that's sort of like asking how other than Marketing, Microsoft is different from any other software company..." Kenneth G. Cavness To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: recomendations for a msdos terminal program
On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Brian Beattie wrote: :The two programs I have downloaded so far seem to only want to talk to a :modem. While I'm sure I can beat one of them into submission I though I'd :ask for advice before I spend too much more time. If you can still find, I recommend Telix. Easy enough to use, and doesn't explicitly want a modem. Jamie Bowden -- "Of course, that's sort of like asking how other than Marketing, Microsoft is different from any other software company..." Kenneth G. Cavness To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: 64bit OS?
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: :> If you got REAL LIFE NUMBERS, based on REAL LIFE PERFORMANCE, then we :> can talk. Let's see how it does Quake, then we can talk. : :Alpha does quake? :-) Not that I know of, but MIPS/SGI does. (hint hint) Jamie Bowden -- "Of course, that's sort of like asking how other than Marketing, Microsoft is different from any other software company..." Kenneth G. Cavness To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Filesystem size limit?
On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Dan Nelson wrote: :In the last episode (Feb 16), Greg Lehey said: :> On Tuesday, 15 February 2000 at 3:40:58 -0600, Joe Greco wrote: :> :> > Dunno how many terabyte filesystem folks are out there. :> :> None, by the looks of it. : :Possibly no FreeBSD folks, but on Solaris, VXFS scales very well to :large volumes. We've got 2TB worth of storage on a pair of Sparcs, and :we probably could have created two 1TB filesystems. We went with 200gb :and 100gb volumes instead, for ease of backup. We had a 2TB FS on an Origin2000 at NASA. Jamie Bowden -- "Of course, that's sort of like asking how other than Marketing, Microsoft is different from any other software company..." Kenneth G. Cavness To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: "very dangerously dedicated mode" is
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Jim Shankland wrote: :By the way, I also struck out with DOS fdisk: it took one look :at the garbage partition table, and wedged. I'll be trying a :Linux rescue disk next. If that fails, too, then I seem to :have generated a 1-Gigabyte hockey puck (you didn't think I :was trying this with a new disk, did you)? If it were SCSI I'd say plug it in to the nearest adaptec controller and low level it (I fixed a drive one of my SGI's ate like this), but it's IDE. You might want to give NT or OS/2 a whack at it if you've got them laying around. There are programs to let you low level IDE drives out there, I believe they're mostly DOS based though, so that probably doesn't help. Jamie Bowden -- "Of course, that's sort of like asking how other than Marketing, Microsoft is different from any other software company..." Kenneth G. Cavness To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: wacky rpc.lockd idea...
On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Ronald G. Minnich wrote: :On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, David E. Cross wrote: :> I've noticed about 99% of the panics on our machines are the result of NFS, :> more often than not it is the result of a backing store file being blown :> away underneath the client. ie. person editing a file on one machine, :> compiling and running on a second, then removing the binary on the first :> machine. If we had a working lock manager could we not have the kernel open :> a shared lock on anything it had in backing store, would that not assure that :> files didn't go poof in the night? : :I think you're really proposing to add state to NFS, but add it via a :'back door', the lockd. I think this is not as good an idea as getting :coda or intermezzo working -- for the latter, www.inter-mezzo.org : :nfs is just plain broken for this sort of thing, and has been forever. I'm :not sure you want to start grafting on fixes of this sort. How would this be different that what Sun has done? They designed NFS stateless (do to stupid utopian visions of 0 latency infinite bandwidth networks), and then added state via rpc.lockd to try and fix their silly design flaw. Sure, locking still has problems due to race conditions and deadlocks, but it beats what you have without it. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Cardbus and FXP
I asked on -mobile, but didn't get an answer, so now I'm asking here. I Have a Dell Latitude CPiR, and am thinking about getting the Intel cardbus 82559 based ethercard for this machine. What I want to know is, once cardbus is rolled into 3.x, or when 4.x is fianlly release, will the FXP driver be rolled into the cardbus framework for support of this card? I really don't want to buy the 3c589c just for ether on this box, I prefer the intel cards, and am willing to wait. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: vmpfw in pine via NFS
On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Doug White wrote: :If so you're breaking the cardinal rule of NFS: Never serve mail spools :via NFS. Correction: Never mount mail splls via NFS on platforms without NFS locking. I mount mail spools via NFS all the time in SunOS, Solaris, and Irix. Have been for years. Never had a problem. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Should jail treat ip-number?
-security stripped On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: :In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Yoshinobu Inoue writes: :>(2)What is the goal of the restriction? :To isolate people in the jail from the "real" machine and from :other jails. What does jail do that chroot doesn't? I've seen several discussions on jail on -hackers, but no explanation of why it was implemented, or how it's different from chroot. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: natd question
On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Brian Beattie wrote: :On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Nick Rogness wrote: : :> On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Zuidam, Hans wrote: :> :> > I want to set up a test network which (partly) mirrors our production :> > side network. To match reality as close as possible we keep the IP :> > addresses in the test network the same as in the production network. In :> > order not to run around with tapes between the two networks, I would like :> > to create the following setup: :> > :> >(~~) (~~) :> > () +-+ () :> > + + | | + + :> > ( 130.144.120/22 ) -- | FreeBSD | -- ( 130.144.120/22 ) :> > +(real)+ | | +(test)+ :> > () +-+ () :> >(~~) (~~) :> :> :> You can't split 2 identical networks, with identical :> netmasks across 2 interfaces unless you are running some sort of :> BRIDGE or transparent proxy support. Even then, if you have the :> same IP's on both networks you will run into problems with routing :> and ARP entries on the FreeBSD machine. :> :> If you are looking to connect the 2 networks together, run a :> different ip range on the (test) network, like the 10.0.0.0 :> or 192.168 network. If you are not connecting to the internet then :> you will not need to run NATD, just make sure that the :> gateway address of the machines on both sides are pointing to the :> corresponding FreeBSD interface IP. :> :> : :How about: : :(~~) (~~) : () +---+ +---+ () : + + | | | |+ + : ( 130.144.120/22 ) -- |FreeBSD| |FreeBSD| --( 130.144.120/22 ) : +(real)+ | | | |+(test)+ : () +---+ +---+ () :(~~) (~~) : :Using 10.0.0.0 on the network in the middle You're going to have to work some magic even for that. You've got two boxes who both think 130.144.120/22 is a directly connected network. Routing to the other network without confusing your routers is going to be tricky, if it's even possible. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: New command for cdcontrol(1)
On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, Josef Karthauser wrote: :On Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 12:44:06PM -0400, Brian Reichert wrote: :> > :> > URLs end with a trailing slash. (http://www.cddb.org/) :> > :> :> FDDN end in a dot. (http://www.cddb.org./) :> : :Not in a URL, or in an email address :) FQDNs always terminate with a dot. Even in a URL or mail address. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: A new package fetching utility, pkg_get
On Sat, 25 Sep 1999, Chris Costello wrote: :On Fri, Sep 24, 1999, Nate Williams wrote: :> Unfortunately, as with all 'slick' products we've talked about, it still :> requires a working X setup in order to run. You could do one as a CUI, :> but doing it in Java would be just as hard as anything else at this :> point. :( : : There's nothing keeping it from being a port or being an :optional part of a distribution that can be installed if X is :installed (emphasis on ``optional''). : : We've got what we need behind-the-scenes, now we need to put a :good show on stage. Let's show Linux what package management is :all about. :) I know I'm not the only Irix admin on this list. If you really want to see a tight clean package management system, with CLI and GUI interfaces, look at inst/swmgr in Irix. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: GNU GLOBAL
On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Peter Wemm wrote: :Will you be assigning the copyright to the FSF? (ie: you'll never be able :to change your mind? 50 years is a long time...) 70 now I believe. Changed to be compatible with the euros, who are all 70 years apparently. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for Ope
On Sat, 11 Sep 1999, Daniel J. O'Connor wrote: : :On 10-Sep-99 Jamie Bowden wrote: :> :fetch mail from INBOX). :> Pine does IMAP just fine. I used to use it to read mail on box a, with :> incoming accessd via box b, and storage on box c. Now I just forward :> everything to one account and procmail it all. : :Umm.. welll I'd like to know to enable sub folder support in it then.. :Haveing multiple accounts on different machines would be nice too (then it :could do what xfmail can) In 'Incoming Folders' type 'a' and it will ask you for the server name to add. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for Ope
On Sat, 11 Sep 1999, Daniel J. O'Connor wrote: : :On 10-Sep-99 Jamie Bowden wrote: :> :fetch mail from INBOX). :> Pine does IMAP just fine. I used to use it to read mail on box a, with :> incoming accessd via box b, and storage on box c. Now I just forward :> everything to one account and procmail it all. : :Umm.. welll I'd like to know to enable sub folder support in it then.. :Haveing multiple accounts on different machines would be nice too (then it :could do what xfmail can) In 'Incoming Folders' type 'a' and it will ask you for the server name to add. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for Ope
On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Daniel O'Connor wrote: :Does it do IMAP? I have only seen *1* emailer which does IMAP properly (xfmail) :all the others either don't support it at all, or treat IMAP like POP (ie just :fetch mail from INBOX). Pine does IMAP just fine. I used to use it to read mail on box a, with incoming accessd via box b, and storage on box c. Now I just forward everything to one account and procmail it all. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle)
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for Ope
On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Daniel O'Connor wrote: :Does it do IMAP? I have only seen *1* emailer which does IMAP properly (xfmail) :all the others either don't support it at all, or treat IMAP like POP (ie just :fetch mail from INBOX). Pine does IMAP just fine. I used to use it to read mail on box a, with incoming accessd via box b, and storage on box c. Now I just forward everything to one account and procmail it all. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle)
Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch
On Fri, 3 Sep 1999 adr...@freebsd.org wrote: :Then all you need to do is think of a sane way to chown console devices :(floppy, cdrom, etc..) to the user when they login? Perhaps an extension :to login/xdm/whatever kde uses ? You can do this in /etc/fbtab. You already chown the console for X logging (you should be anyway). I don't like the idea of restricting access to the console user. That assumes that the removable media device in question is present on every machine in the room. This is not always the case. It may not even be the dominant case. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: [mount.c]: Option "user"-patch
On Fri, 3 Sep 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :Then all you need to do is think of a sane way to chown console devices :(floppy, cdrom, etc..) to the user when they login? Perhaps an extension :to login/xdm/whatever kde uses ? You can do this in /etc/fbtab. You already chown the console for X logging (you should be anyway). I don't like the idea of restricting access to the console user. That assumes that the removable media device in question is present on every machine in the room. This is not always the case. It may not even be the dominant case. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Mandatory locking?
On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: :[Cc's trimmed] : :On Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 12:15:24AM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: :> > > :> > > How 'bout "anyone who can kill the process holding the lock?" :> > :> > + file owner ( + root ). :> :> Which processes can't root kill? : :Zombies? :) ps shows the parent. Kill the parent, and the zombified child dies. This ia a non issue. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Mandatory locking?
On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: :[Cc's trimmed] : :On Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 12:15:24AM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: :> > > :> > > How 'bout "anyone who can kill the process holding the lock?" :> > :> > + file owner ( + root ). :> :> Which processes can't root kill? : :Zombies? :) ps shows the parent. Kill the parent, and the zombified child dies. This ia a non issue. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Kernel config script
On Mon, 31 May 1999, Robert Huff wrote: : How often _do_ people rebuild their kernels? (On non-testing :machines.) : I rebuild/reinstall every two weeks, plus or minus a day or :two. I only run -RELEASE. Usually the latest. I build a kernel customized for my machine with every new release, and that's pretty much it right now. I suspect most people not doing developement follow a similar pattern, no matter which track they follow. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: xl driver for 3Com
On Sat, 29 May 1999, Bill Paul wrote: :So, tell me: just how many of you other people reading this have been :having problems with 'drivers under load' and couldn't be bothered to :actually report the problem? Hm? Well what're you waiting for?! Go on: :speak up! Take two minutes of your precious time! I dare you! I :double-dare you! No, I *triple*-dare you! Take your best shot! No no no no no. You gotta 'triple -dog- dare' them. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Sorry
On Thu, 13 May 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: :At 10:44 13-05-1999 -0400, you wrote: :> :>Damnit, I sent that last rant to the wrong list, it was supposed to go to :>chat. Please direct all followups to chat. :> :>Jamie Bowden : :Yeah, but you slipped your finger on this one. You Cc'd it to hakcers (k :before c), so hackers will never see it, :-) Procmail is a great thing, usually. I'll assume that I got a mailer-daemon response letting me know I typo'd, that went to /dev/null. Can those on hackers please respond to -chat? Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: BSD, GPL, the world today.
On Thu, 13 May 1999, Thomas David Rivers wrote: :But -hackers isn't likely the place for this... I sent a followup stating I sent it to hackers accidentally, was supposed to go to chat... Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
BSD, GPL, the world today.
I've been doing a little thinking on the whole Proprietary vs. GPL vs. BSD licensing issue. Stallman's wrong, Brett's wrong, Gates iswrong, hell everyobody's wrong. Now that I have your attention, let me continue. The biggest problem I see with software today, as an admin (read, bridge between users and vendors), is the refusal of vedors to take responsibilty for their products. Microsoft seems to be the biggest practitioner of this, but they didn't start it. For a free product to offer no warrnaty of suitability it perfectly understandable. For commercial software, it should be totally unacceptable. Unfortunately, it's the norm. Everyday, vendors release software that's broken in some way or other. Fine, I know there is no such thing as bug free software. The vendor's refusal to fix their product without 'buying' the upgrade is unacceptable. Again, Microsoft seems to be the biggest practitioner of this, and as the largest OS vendor on the planet, fosters it in others. How can Caldera, or Ipswitch, or Oracle guarantee their products whey then run on top of faulty software? They can't. Someone with lots of free time and money needs to go after Gates and company for failure to deliver. I don't care what the EULA reads, I don't seriously believe they can knowingly sell and refuse to fix a faulty product and get away with it anymore than GM can. Just because it doesn't result in fiery crashes doesn't make it any better (although, with MS going after the embedded systems market, even this may not be true much longer). You lost a relative due to faulty parts, I lost millions due to faulty software. Everyone lost. Everyone is losing. FreeBSD, the other BSD's, and Linux all have someone's reputation riding on them, which seems to be a deciding factor in bugs getting hammered into the ground as they get found. Commercial software offers no such public billboard as to who wrote that horrible bit of code. It's a shame really. Microsoft Tech. Support tells you to upgrade, it'll be fixed, while their fearless leader is simultaneously saying upgrades are for features, not bug fixes, and that no one would upgrade just to fix bugs. I think perhaps he is so lost to the needs of his customers and reality in general that he can no longer speak for them. Money will do that. Oh well, I suppose I'm done ranting for now. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
