Re: All your laptops are belong to Windows.

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,
bsdnooby wrote:
I'm defeated.  The FreeBSD install gives no hints as to why it turns off 
my laptop.

FreeBSD's weakest point is the support for notebooks.
I could get it running at least but it did not make real sense to keep 
it as the power management was to limited. I kept this machine as my 
only Windows machine to do support Windows programs.

It is very often the case that notebook vendors do not give the support 
needed to adopt the drivers to make FreeBSD a success on those machines.

Erich
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Re: Anthony

[Timothy Smith]

Stijn Hoop wrote:
On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 02:34:24AM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
 

MSIE has traditionally followed HTML standards more closely than almost
any other browser.  Firefox does pretty well, tough; Opera much less so.
   

Thank you for giving me another reason to killfile you again, after
you resurfaced without your vanity domain. You clearly don't know jack
about the things you write. Maybe you could write some code instead of
exploding the lists with drivel.
*plonk*
--Stijn
 

hah well said sir
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All your laptops are belong to Windows.

[bsdnooby]

I'm defeated.  The FreeBSD install gives no hints as to why it turns off 
my laptop.

When I try to install FreeBSD, my brand new I'm blue.HP Pavilion laptop 
turns itself off.  It does not matter if I use 4.x or 5.x, CD or 
floppies.  There is no error log since it just shuts off after I choose 
to load a kernel.  I have tried loading with ACPI off, and it does not 
help.  I believe I tried all the kernel options available from the menu 
on 5.x.

The computer is a HP Pavilion zv5445us, with 512MB RAM, P4-3Ghz, 100GB 
HD, 15.4" Hi-Def Screen, 54G 802.11b WLAN.  I purchased it from Best Buy.

Under Windows, it appears Hyper-Threading is turned on, and I have not 
found a way to turn it off inside the CMOS.

The machine runs Windows XP Pro fine, but I am trying to switch to 
FreeBSD on all my boxen.  I was really surprised to find this one 
abruptly shutdown when trying to do the install.  It turns off before 
the install really starts, so I do not have much information to solve 
this problem.  The HD is never touched.

I'm blue.
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Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC]

On Feb 14, 2005, at 11:11 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
no they did and could point out specific problems and likely
intentional changes.
Where can I see a list of these?

This page points to a bunch.  These are not the ones from people I know 
and respect as those communications were not public communications and 
their work not published on the web.


Google on this issue of Windows IE standard compliance, especially 
with
CSS.  You will find reams of info with examples of where MS got it
wrong, and many think intentionally got it wrong.
I've already tested the browser myself, with the official test suites.
It did better than any other overall.
Based on your other postings, I don't think you'd know if they really 
passed or not.   Merely rendering a page does not mean it passes.  
There are lots of subtleties in CSS.

Chad
In any case, MSIE doesn't run on FreeBSD.
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[Stijn Hoop]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 02:34:24AM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> MSIE has traditionally followed HTML standards more closely than almost
> any other browser.  Firefox does pretty well, tough; Opera much less so.

Thank you for giving me another reason to killfile you again, after
you resurfaced without your vanity domain. You clearly don't know jack
about the things you write. Maybe you could write some code instead of
exploding the lists with drivel.

*plonk*

--Stijn

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Re: problem with realplayer

[Loren M. Lang]

On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 09:01:14PM -0600, Brian John wrote:
> Loren M. Lang wrote:
> 
> >On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 04:11:29PM -0600, Brian John wrote:
> > 
> >
> >>Loren M. Lang wrote:
> >>
> >>   
> >>
> >>>On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 10:18:29AM -0600, Brian John wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >
> > 
> >
> >   
> >
> > 
> >
> Well, I tried that and now I can't run realplayer at all.  This is what 
> happens:
> $ realplay
> /usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/realplay.bin: error while loading shared 
> libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or 
> directory
> 
> Any clue how I can fix this?
>  
> 
>    
> 
> >>>Yea, with -rh9 they moved the X libraries to a seperate port,
> >>>x11/linux-XFree86-libs, install that and it should work.  You may have
> >>>to add some lines to /usr/compat/linux/etc/ld.so.conf and/or run
> >>>/usr/compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig.
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>Ok, I already have x11/linux-XFree86-libs port installed.  My ld.so.conf 
> >>is empty and when I try to run ldconfig nothing happens, it just returns 
> >>to the prompt.  Can you help me figure out what is going on here?  I'm 
> >>sorry that I don't know what I am doing but I am a newbie and I am 
> >>really trying to use FreeBSD as my main OS.
> >>   
> >>
> >
> >Add the following lines to /usr/compat/linux/etc/ld.so.conf:
> >
> >/usr/lib
> >/usr/local/lib
> >/usr/X11R6/lib
> >
> >Then re-run /usr/compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig.
> >
> > 
> >
> >>Thanks again
> >>
> >>/Brian
> >>   
> >>
> >
> > 
> >
> I tried that and now I am able to start up realplayer again, but it 
> still has the same problem as originally.  All of the icons have x's in 
> them.  Here is the output when I start it from the console:
> $ realplay
> 
> (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader 
> module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory
> Failed to load pixbuf file: 
> /usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/realplay/icon.png: Couldn't recognize 
> the image file format for file 
> '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/realplay/icon.png'
> 
> (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader 
> module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory
> 
> (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader 
> module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory
> 
> (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader 
> module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory
> 
> (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader 
> module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory
> 
> (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader 
> module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory
> 
> (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader 
> module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory
> 
> (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader 
> module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory
> 
> (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader 
> module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory
> 
> (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader 
> module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory
> 
> (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader 
> module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory
> 
> (realplay.bin:6624): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a 
> previous GError or uninitialized memory.
> This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL 
> before it's set.
> The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file 
> format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/pause.png'
> 
> (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader 
> module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory
> 
> (realplay.bin:6624): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a 
> previous GError or uninitialized memory.
> This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL 
> before it's set.
> The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file 
> format for file '/usr/local/lib/RealPlayer/share/default/volume_mute.png'
> 
> (realplay.bin:6624): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Can not open pixbuf loader 
> module file '/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory
> 
> (realplay.bin:6624): GLib-WARNING **: GError set over the top of a 
> previous GError or uninitialized memory.
> This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL 
> before it's set.
> The overwriting error message was: Couldn't recognize the image file 
> format for file '/usr/local/lib/R

Re: ping question

[Loren M. Lang]

On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 11:21:03AM -0800, ann kok wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> Thank you very much for your help
> 
> The freebsd router is behind the cisco router.
> 
> Do you have any experience to determine the traffic is
> in freebsd and cisco from outside?
> 
> Can traceroute give figure to prove it?

I'm not quite sure if I understand what you're asking, but if you want
to see what traffic is going into/out of/through them, tcpdump is a good
command-line based packet sniffer and ethereal is it's gui cousin.  You
can even use tcpdump to capture data and later view it on a different
computer with ethereal.  iptraf will show you general usage of the
traffic crossing your router.  If your asking to see what path the
traffic is taking from point A to point B, then traceroute is your best
friend.

> 
> Please help
> 
> Thank you again
> 
> --- "Loren M. Lang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 08:50:32AM -0800, ann kok
> > wrote:
> > > Hi all
> > > 
> > > I ping from redhat to cisco router and freebsd
> > router
> > > but I don't understand ttl (time to live)
> > > 
> > > Cisco router has ttl=251 and freebsd router has 58
> > > Does it set by the router itself?
> > > Can I change it in freebsd?
> > 
> > FreeBSD's default ttl, I believe, is 64, Cisco's is
> > probably 255.  As
> > long as the number of hops neccessary to get to a
> > certain computer is
> > never more than 64, there's nothing wrong with it. 
> > The highest I've
> > seen is about 30 and the Internet is going to have
> > to grow a bit, I
> > think, before it's an issue.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Thank you
> > > 
> > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1151 ttl=251
> > > time=100 ms
> > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1152 ttl=251
> > > time=103 ms
> > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1153 ttl=251
> > > time=104 ms
> > > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1154 ttl=251
> > > time=106 ms
> > > 
> > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1182 ttl=58
> > > time=105 ms
> > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1183 ttl=58
> > > time=105 ms
> > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1184 ttl=58
> > > time=104 ms
> > > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1185 ttl=58
> > > time=108 ms
> > > 
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FTP server problem

[Jon Bruce]

Hi there, just trying to install FreeBSD, I am in the install section 
and can seemingly login to an ftp server.  However everyone I try just 
brings me back to the ftp server listing.  Any help would be great.  Thanks

Jon
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Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Anthony Atkielski]

Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:

> no they did and could point out specific problems and likely
> intentional changes.

Where can I see a list of these?

> Google on this issue of Windows IE standard compliance, especially with
> CSS.  You will find reams of info with examples of where MS got it 
> wrong, and many think intentionally got it wrong.

I've already tested the browser myself, with the official test suites.
It did better than any other overall.

In any case, MSIE doesn't run on FreeBSD.

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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Anthony Atkielski]

Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:

> If I am not mistaken, MS has a certification process for 3rd party
> drivers.  That is, they approve them and digitally sign them.  And they
> stick them on their OS distribution CDs.  Hence, they are part of MS's
> OS offering.  They are vetted by MS first.

Yes, but not all drivers are certified in this way.  The ones that are
are far less likely to cause trouble.  They may still have
bugs--Microsoft does not audit the code line by line--but they are
usually reasonably stable.  It's a step forward.

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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Anthony Atkielski]

Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:

> Apple has a sever advantage over Microsoft in this respect.

They aren't completely comparable, because Apple produces both hardwar
and software, whereas Microsoft produces only software.

In any case, I wouldn't choose either of them for a server myself.

> The XServe by default does not even ship with a video card and you can
> admin the whole thing remotely with various tools including the CLI.

Just like FreeBSD.  Except that you can download FreeBSD for free and
install it on whatever hardware you have on hand.

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Re: Flash causes Firefox to core dump, which ports should I have installed?

[Loren M. Lang]

On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 04:26:12AM -0500, Benjamin Dover wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:20:50 -0800, Loren M. Lang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 08:48:18PM -0500, Ben Dover wrote:
> > > Firefox is my browser of choice but every time I view a web page with
> > > a Flash object Firefox core dumps.  The error is as follows:  Feb 13
> > > 18:57:53 w00f kernel: pid 27652 (firefox-bin), uid 0: exited on signal
> > > 6 (core dumped).  I have installed the following relevant ports:
> > > /usr/ports/www/firefox
> > > /usr/ports/www/flashplugin-firefox
> > 
> > Do you have flash 6 or 7 installed.  I never have 6 crash, but 7 is
> > horrible.
> 
> cd /usr/ports/www/flashplugin-firefox/
> w00f# cat distinfo
> MD5 (gplflash-0.4.12.tar.bz2) = 7d53803486b255665a80cd834ee3c463
> SIZE (gplflash-0.4.12.tar.bz2) = 378727
> w00f# cat pkg-descr
> This is GPL standalone Flash (TM) Plugin, that comes with FlashLib
> (libflash) distribution.

I'd definetly recommend uninstalling gplflash and installing one of the
official versions of flash by macromedia, go with flash 6 as it's more
stable.

> 
> Author: Olivier Debon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> WWW:http://gplflash.sourceforge.net/
> 
> 
> > 
> > >
> > > I'm confused if I should install the linux-firefox port or the other
> > > flash port.  What is the combination everyone has been having good
> > > luck with?
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Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC]

On Feb 14, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
You can say all you want.
Thank you.  I feel better about it knowing that it's okay with you.
Every professional designer I have ever talked with lamented the poor
state of standards conformance of IE for Windows.
They probably never actually tested the browser.
no they did and could point out specific problems and likely 
intentional changes.

Google on this issue of Windows IE standard compliance, especially with 
CSS.  You will find reams of info with examples of where MS got it 
wrong, and many think intentionally got it wrong.

Chad

And they could document it.
Excellent ... where can I find a copy of their documentation?
MS only has compatibility with itself, and that is it.
It interprets HTML correctly according to W3C standards, and it handles
CSS correctly as well.  What other compatibility do you require?
You can find test suites here:
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Test/ (HTML4)
http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/ (CSS)
And since it is the 800lb gorilla, they think they can basically do
whatever they want.
They know that some criticism of what they do has no basis in fact, and
that people without emotional investment in a hatred of Microsoft may
actually check the facts and invalidate the criticisms.
People I highly respect have done lots of tests of browsers with the
standard and conformance to the W3C standards suites and IE Windows
does not do that well.
I've done the tests myself, instead of believing what others say, and
MSIE does fine.  The URLs are above.
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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC]

On Feb 14, 2005, at 10:49 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:

An operating system is just a software package.
In this context, one can think of the operating system as the aggregate
of permanent code executing with kernel privileges.
Drivers execute with these privileges but they are essentially add-ons.
They aren't written by the same people and they usually aren't written
and tested with the same rigor.
If I am not mistaken, MS has a certification process for 3rd party 
drivers.  That is, they approve them and digitally sign them.  And they 
stick them on their OS distribution CDs.  Hence, they are part of MS's 
OS offering.  They are vetted by MS first.

Chad
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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC]

On Feb 14, 2005, at 10:40 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:

Apple is smart enough to pull it off ...
Apple has no advantage over Microsoft in this respect.  They are 
locking
their own OS into a GUI, too.  But they probably realize that their
future is in desktops, not servers.
You know not of what you speak.  You sure say a lot for being an 
ignorant person.  Apple has a sever advantage over Microsoft in this 
respect.  The XServe by default does not even ship with a video card 
and you can admin the whole thing remotely with various tools including 
the CLI.

Chad
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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Anthony Atkielski]

Eric Kjeldergaard writes:

> Well, that's simply not true.  Windows (At least XP, can't remember if
> this happens on 2k or not) definitely states that the error that
> caused the crash is or is not a driver.  It says something to the
> effect of "The system crash was caused by a bad driver."

I suppose it may isolate messages better than its predecessors.

> You read the code, I'm sure you know where that message gets
> generated.

These operating systems contain millions of lines of code.  I haven't
read them all.  Nobody has.

> As windows is largely infallible, I'm sure they have some way of
> keeping straight which portion of the kernelspace is drivers and which
> isn't.

You overestimate the capabilities of the OS.  In many cases it is
possible to roughly or precisely localize a fault in kernel space, but
at other times it is not.  Bugs in one area of an OS (defined as
anything with kernel privileges) can cause faults in other areas.

> Yeah, they kinda are.  If they are on the operating system cd, they
> are part of the operating system.

There are lots of things on CDs that are not part of the OS.

> An operating system is just a software package.

In this context, one can think of the operating system as the aggregate
of permanent code executing with kernel privileges.

Drivers execute with these privileges but they are essentially add-ons.
They aren't written by the same people and they usually aren't written
and tested with the same rigor.

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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Anthony Atkielski]

David Kelly writes:

> Servers should also have the most reliable software but that is where
> Microsoft cuts corners for additional profit and provide employment
> for MSCE's whom otherwise would not be needed.

No, Microsoft does not deliberately cut any corners, nor does it care
about providing employment for MCSEs.

Microsoft doesn't understand servers very well.  Most people at
Microsoft grew up using microcomputers, and that's all they know (sound
familiar?).  They truly have no idea of some of the constraints that
apply to the server world.  As a result, they don't build ideal server
software.  The closest they've come has been with the early versions of
Windows NT, which had a very solid kernel.  But since desktops seemed to
be more lucrative than servers, they regularly gutted the OS with each
new release in order to provide things like better game performance and
a prettier GUI, destabilizing it and rendering it less secure.  Today's
NT-based kernel is much less "pure" than the original.

Even so, Windows 200x is quite stable, stable enough to work in a server
environment in many cases.  I'd still prefer UNIX for maximum
reliability and stability, but Windows does a respectable job for less
critical applications.

> There is no reason a server should not have a GUI so long as it does
> not detract from the server's function.

A GUI always detracts from a server's function.  Nobody is sitting in
front of a server, so spending a lot of resources on a pretty graphic
interface is a complete waste, and it destabilizes the machine.  This is
something that Microsoft (and some other parties) have trouble
understanding.

> Use of a GUI to "dumb-down" the system doesn't work as Microsoft has
> shown.

That has never been an objective of Microsoft.  Their servers have
elaborate GUIs because the operating systems come from the desktop
world, and won't function without a GUI.

One of the most serious criticisms made of Windows in the server world
is that you cannot run a Windows server without a GUI, and remote
administration is an unbelievably awkward nightmare.

> Apple is smart enough to pull it off ...

Apple has no advantage over Microsoft in this respect.  They are locking
their own OS into a GUI, too.  But they probably realize that their
future is in desktops, not servers.

> ... but all Microsoft has done is continue to guarantee employment for
> MSCE's who continue to exclusively recommend any and everything
> Microsoft who in turn continually ensures these champions stay
> employed.

As I've said, Microsoft doesn't care about employment of MCSEs.

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Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Anthony Atkielski]

Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:

> You can say all you want.

Thank you.  I feel better about it knowing that it's okay with you.

> Every professional designer I have ever talked with lamented the poor
> state of standards conformance of IE for Windows.

They probably never actually tested the browser.

> And they could document it.

Excellent ... where can I find a copy of their documentation?

> MS only has compatibility with itself, and that is it.

It interprets HTML correctly according to W3C standards, and it handles
CSS correctly as well.  What other compatibility do you require?

You can find test suites here:

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Test/ (HTML4)
http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/ (CSS)

> And since it is the 800lb gorilla, they think they can basically do
> whatever they want.

They know that some criticism of what they do has no basis in fact, and
that people without emotional investment in a hatred of Microsoft may
actually check the facts and invalidate the criticisms.

> People I highly respect have done lots of tests of browsers with the 
> standard and conformance to the W3C standards suites and IE Windows 
> does not do that well.

I've done the tests myself, instead of believing what others say, and
MSIE does fine.  The URLs are above.

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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Eric Kjeldergaard]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:43:37 +0100, Anthony Atkielski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Eric Kjeldergaard writes:
> 
> > Well, no that's not entirely true...First off, there's the claim by
> > Windows itself that it's not drivers.
> 
> The OS itself never identifies problems as being within the drivers.
> Driver code is assimilated with the kernel while it is running.

Well, that's simply not true.  Windows (At least XP, can't remember if
this happens on 2k or not) definitely states that the error that
caused the crash is or is not a driver.  It says something to the
effect of "The system crash was caused by a bad driver."  You read the
code, I'm sure you know where that message gets generated.  As windows
is largely infallible, I'm sure they have some way of keeping straight
which portion of the kernelspace is drivers and which isn't.

> > And then there's the thing where since one is including drivers along
> > with an operating system, they are part of the operating system even
> > if they were written by a third party.
> 
> They are not part of the operating system.

Yeah, they kinda are.  If they are on the operating system cd, they
are part of the operating system.  An operating system is just a
software package.  In BSD, for example, this includes things like ls
and dd.  In windows, it includes things like iexplore and services.

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Broken shell - I can't login at all

[Jeff BSD]

Hi-
I'm in the process of upgrading a 4.6 system to 5.3.  When I boot the
machine it gets to:


init: bin/sh on /etc/rc terminated abnormally, going to single user
mode
Enter root password, or ^D to go multi-user
Password:


I enter the password, then:


Enter full pathname of shell of RETURN for /bin/sh:
pid # (sh), uid 0: exited on signal 12
init: bin/sh on /etc/rc terminated abnormally, going to single user
mode
Enter root password, or ^D to go multi-user
Password:


Round and round I go.

Sounds like I broke /bin/sh to me.  I've messed around in safe mode
but I can't see how I can use it to possibly fix my problem, assuming
I did do anything to /bin/sh (which I don't think I did -
intentionally/directly that is).

How do I fix it so I can boot it?  A bit of the chicken and the egg,
what?

Jeff
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Re: Setting up own domain and mailserver

[Luke]

I was hoping somebody more knowledgable than me would answer your 
questions.  Maybe than did and I lost it in all the spam.
I've been intrigued by these same topics for awhile and I've learned a 
little bit.  I'll share what I've figured out below.

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, RL wrote:
1. I have adelphia cable internet.  I would like to get a dyndns or
no-ip.com account to have a static IP for my new godaddy domain.
Simple enough.  However, I would like to also do my own DNS to learn
more about it.   Will I be able to do this if I set my nameserver on
godaddy to my box's dyndns address?  And from there can I set up A
records, MX Records, etc and all that good stuff?
For a domain name to be effective, you need a public and highly referenced 
source to map your name to your IP address.  That's what these public 
registrars do.  You want them to map your name to your address.  You can't 
move that service to your own box because... well.. how would anybody find 
you in the first place?
Technically you can do SOME of the domain service yourself if you're 
running a network.  Public DNS servers might get them to 
yourdomain.com, and then you could direct them to machine1.yourdomain.com, 
machine2.yourdomain.com, etc.  but you probably don't have any need for 
something like that at home.
You can run your own DNS service to do lookups for yourself though, and 
it's a fun way to learn about how the global system works.  Check out the 
sections of the FreeBSD Handbook on BIND.  Running DNS for a small network 
in my home was pretty educational for me.

2.  What about reverse DNS?  Could I possibly do that on my box?
It's possible to have any number of names pointing to a single IP address, 
but that IP address is only going to reverse-map to one name, and that 
name is going to be one of Adelphia's names I'm afraid.

3. I would also like to run my own mailserver for that domain (again
to learn).  Would I be able to do this and send receive email from/to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  I know most ISPs block port 25 and no-ip.com
has a pay service called mail reflector that can get around this.  Is
this necessary?  Why couldn't I just set up sendmail to use a port
other than 25 like 8080?
Sending isn't the problem.  You can send from just about any port you 
want.  It's receiving that's the problem.
When a mail server tries to deliver mail to mynewdomain.com, it's going to 
be looking for your mail server on port 25, because that's the standard. 
It's just like how your web browser always goes looking for a web server 
on port 80 when you contact another machine.
Unless there's some trick you can do with the MX records for your domain 
to advertise to the world that your mail server is running on a 
nonstandard port, I don't know how you could get around the receiving 
problem if your ISP blocks incoming connections to port 25, short of 
having some external service like those you've mentioned cache the mail 
for you.

I'm no expert - just somebody who's spent some time fooling around with 
this stuff.  If I've told you anything wrong, hopefully somebody will step 
up and correct me.
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Re: Configuring PF

[Pat Maddox]

Is there any place I can find a good default ruleset for a server, and
just change what ports I want open?

Also, I've noticed that some rulesets will have different flags and
keep state on for certain TCP ports, but not others.  For example, at
https://www.section6.net/help/pf.php I found:
#WebServer, HTTPS, 8000
pass in on $extif proto tcp from any to any port 80 flags S/SA
pass in on $extif proto tcp from any to any port $tcp_services flags
S/SA synproxy state

tcp_services is {22, 443}

I don't understand why they use synproxy state for 22 and 443, but not 80


On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:44:32 -0500, chip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > quickly see what's up.  When PF is disabled, I can nmap it in about 9
> > seconds.  When I turn it on, it takes over 3 minutes to do.  These
> > machines are on the same network, so the connection is obviously fast.
> 
> I believe this is becuase nmap is having to wait on the connections to
> time out.  If you tell PF to 'reject' instead of 'drop' it may go a
> bit faster.
> 
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>
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probably a simple problem with permissions

[David Wassman]

I am probably understanding this problem incorrectly meaning there is a 
simple explanation that is escaping me. My /dev/cd0 is owned by root so  
I have tried to change both the owner and the group so I can use it as a 
user.

I have tried:
chmod 777 /dev/cd0
chmod -R 777 /dev/cd0
chgrp 777 /dev/cd0
The problem is that when I reboot the system the old permissions return 
and I have to su and change the permissions back. How do I make these 
changes permanent? There is probably a security reason for  this but it 
is very inconvenient on a desktop station. Any help would be 
appreciated. I am running 5.3.

David
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Re: Configuring PF

[chip]

> quickly see what's up.  When PF is disabled, I can nmap it in about 9
> seconds.  When I turn it on, it takes over 3 minutes to do.  These
> machines are on the same network, so the connection is obviously fast.

I believe this is becuase nmap is having to wait on the connections to
time out.  If you tell PF to 'reject' instead of 'drop' it may go a
bit faster.

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Re: trouble printing

[Brian John]

Roland Smith wrote:
On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 11:06:06AM -0600, Brian John wrote:
 

Hello,
I tried this question on the newbies list first but didn't get a response
so I'm trying here.
   

This is the right list for questions.
 

I am having trouble printing from my HP Deskjet 710C printer.  It
is hooked up via parallel port and I can print fine with it from
Windows.  However, I can't get it to work in FreeBSD.  I followed the
instructions here:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/printing-intro-setup.html
   

Arg. The Deskjet 710C is one of those stupid printers without it's own
processor. You need a special program to convert print data into ppa
format, which is the only format it understands. See:
http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_710C
 

Everything seems to be fine.  But when I try to test the printer using a
command similar to this:
# cat file > /dev/lptN
   

Don't do this. Always work via the spooler. See below.
 

or this:
lptest > /dev/lpt0
   

lptest just prints plain text. Your printer doesn't understand that. It
uses the host CPU for processing the print data:
From http://pnm2ppa.sourceforge.net/:
PPA (Printing Performance Architecture) is a closed, proprietary
protocol developed by Hewlett Packard for a short-lived series of
DeskJet printers. In essence, the PPA protocol moves the low-level
processing of the data to the host computer rather than the
printer. This allows for a low-cost (to produce) printer with a
small amount of memory and computing power. However, in practice
the printer was often as expensive as more capable printers and HP has
since discontinued the use of PPA in favour of returning to PCL3e in
their latest USB-based printers.
 

nothing happens.  Does anyone have a clue what I might have done wrong?
   

You need a special driver to talk to this printer. It is called pnm2ppa
and you can find it in ports.
More info on adriver for this printer can be found at: 
http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_driver.cgi?driver=pnm2ppa&fromprinter=HP-DeskJet_710C

If you want the printer to handle different file formats transparently,
you should install a print filter like apsfilter. You should program
apsfilter to output stuff in pnm format, which should then be piped
through pnm2ppa and then to the spooler.
I know this sounds complicated, and that's because these printers
suck. You have to jump through a lot of hoops to get them working.
In short, what has to happen for each print job is:
1) Convert the file format to pnm. This is where apsfilter comes in,
  unless you want to do it by hand every time.
2) The output from apsfilter should be fed to pnm2ppa, using the unix
  mechanism called a pipe. The apsfilter manual has info on how to set
  this up. I haven't used apsfilter in a lng time.
3) The output from pnm2ppa is fed to the spooler, which sends it to the
  printer.
By installing apsfilter and pnm2ppa you can make this process automatic.
Hope this helps.
Roland
 

Ok, I installed apsfilter and pnm2ppa.  I've been looking on the net and 
I'm starting to get overwhelmed in documentation.  Could you at least 
help me get started setting this up?  Is there any hope that I will be 
able to get this printer to work as well (and easy) as it works in Windows?

Thanks
/Brian
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Configuring PF

[Pat Maddox]

I want to install a firewall on my system.  First of all, is PF the
one I should be using?  It seems to get the most recommendations.

I don't actually seem to have any problems configuring it - I just
have some problems testing the configuration.  I can ssh to the box,
and I can access port 80...but I'd like to be able to just scan it to
quickly see what's up.  When PF is disabled, I can nmap it in about 9
seconds.  When I turn it on, it takes over 3 minutes to do.  These
machines are on the same network, so the connection is obviously fast.

Are there any good, pretty simple guides on setting up PF?  I'm having
a tough time understanding what the rulesets all mean.
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Re: Kernel Config. Menu.?

[pete wright]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:40:24 -0500, Peterhin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am using 5.3.
> My question would be how current is the handbook, I was under the
> impression that it was the most current of all the sources for Freebsd.
> Am I wrong.?

which URL are you getting the handbook from, I've just checked the
install section of the online handbook here:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-start.html

and it states:

"Note: From FreeBSD versions 5.0 and later, userconfig has been
deprecated in favor of the new device.hints(5) method. For more
information on device.hints(5) please visit Section 12.5"

hope this helps.

-pete



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Re: Kernel Config. Menu.?

[Andrew L. Gould]

On Monday 14 February 2005 09:40 pm, Peterhin wrote:
> I am using 5.3.
> My question would be how current is the handbook, I was under the
> impression that it was the most current of all the sources for
> Freebsd. Am I wrong.?
>
> Thanks for your quick reply.
>

The handbook currently represents both versions 4.11 and 5.3.  Also, 
"most current" may not always be perfect.  :-)
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Re: Kernel Config. Menu.?

[Peterhin]

I am using 5.3.
My question would be how current is the handbook, I was under the 
impression that it was the most current of all the sources for Freebsd.
Am I wrong.?

Thanks for your quick reply.

On February 14, 2005 21:47, you wrote:
> On Monday 14 February 2005 08:17 pm, Peterhin wrote:
> > I have been reading the handbook and have started my installation,
> > from a CD.
> > However it goes straight to the sysinstall menu, it does not give
> > me the Kernel Configuration menu, as per the handbook. (2.3.2
> > Kernel Configuration)
> > What am I doing wrong, or what am I missing here.?
> >
> > Many Thanks.
>
> What version are you installing?  I don't think 5.3 has that option
> -- not needed for the most part.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Andrew Gould

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Re: how to configure a port for install

[Bob Ababurko]

Bob Ababurko wrote:
Hello-
I am trying to figure out how to configure the portswhat I am trying 
to do is add mhash to my system that a new script needs and I have to 
add the --with-mhash=[dir] when I compile php.  Well I installed php 
with the ports and I am hoping to reinstall it with this added.  I have 
tried to add it to the Makefile under the configure options, but I got 
an error that said: "Unassociated shell command".  That obviously is not 
the right way.

Can someone please direct me in doing this, if it is indeed possible.
thanks,
Bob
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To qualify this, I am installing php4.3.8_2 on 5.2.1.
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Re: please, a little sanity about the logo

[cpghost]

On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 10:53:23PM -0500, Steve Ireland wrote:
> This leads to a suggestion others have already made, a splitting 
> of FBSD into hobbyist and professional branches. The hobbyists 
> keep Beastie, the .org site, and the non-profit status. The 
> professionals get the new logo, the .com site, and pay for use 
> and support (perhaps an annual subscription?).

Quite frankly, I don't understand the current push for
a "commercial-friendly" logo on behalf of the FreeBSD Project.

There have always been a few companies that provided
a commercial version on CDs, and nobody would have any
objections that these companies use their own logos to
push their own version (or an unmodified version) of
FreeBSD into the enterprise.

This is similar to SuSE, RedHat and others who use their own
logos to distribute the one and only Linux kernel and
an assorted set of libraries and utilities. "Linux" itself
doesn't have a logo either (if we followed the party line
that Tux and Beastie were mascots and not logos).

The FreeBSD Project should IMHO remain vendor neutral,
and stick to code development. There's absolutely no need
to commercialize anything; much less need for any kind of
logo. The project did very well without a logo (and with
Beastie), and there's no reason to have one now, just to
appease those zealots (as you've pointed out). Just leave
this to the vendors.

> Steve Ireland

Cheers,
-cpghost.

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how to configure a port for install

[Bob Ababurko]

Hello-
I am trying to figure out how to configure the portswhat I am trying 
to do is add mhash to my system that a new script needs and I have to 
add the --with-mhash=[dir] when I compile php.  Well I installed php 
with the ports and I am hoping to reinstall it with this added.  I have 
tried to add it to the Makefile under the configure options, but I got 
an error that said: "Unassociated shell command".  That obviously is not 
the right way.

Can someone please direct me in doing this, if it is indeed possible.
thanks,
Bob
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Re: Kernel Config. Menu.?

[Andrew L. Gould]

On Monday 14 February 2005 08:17 pm, Peterhin wrote:
> I have been reading the handbook and have started my installation,
> from a CD.
> However it goes straight to the sysinstall menu, it does not give me
> the Kernel Configuration menu, as per the handbook. (2.3.2 Kernel
> Configuration)
> What am I doing wrong, or what am I missing here.?
>
> Many Thanks.

What version are you installing?  I don't think 5.3 has that option -- 
not needed for the most part.

Best of luck,

Andrew Gould
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Kernel Config. Menu.?

[Peterhin]

I have been reading the handbook and have started my installation, from 
a CD. 
However it goes straight to the sysinstall menu, it does not give me the 
Kernel Configuration menu, as per the handbook. (2.3.2 Kernel 
Configuration)
What am I doing wrong, or what am I missing here.?

Many Thanks.
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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[David Kelly]

On Feb 14, 2005, at 3:48 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
The main difference between a desktop and a server is a server
needs beefy disk I/O or beefy CPU power or both, while a desktop
needs beefy video and can often make due with piss-poor disk I/O.
No, the main difference between a server and a desktop is that many 
people are counting on the server to function without error while only 
one person is inconvenienced when the desktop fails.

Servers get better hardware because its a cost savings for the server 
to be more reliable and the added performance helps more users. Servers 
should also have the most reliable software but that is where Microsoft 
cuts corners for additional profit and provide employment for MSCE's 
whom otherwise would not be needed.

There is no reason a server should not have a GUI so long as it does 
not detract from the server's function. Use of a GUI to "dumb-down" the 
system doesn't work as Microsoft has shown. Apple is smart enough to 
pull it off, but all Microsoft has done is continue to guarantee 
employment for MSCE's who continue to exclusively recommend any and 
everything Microsoft who in turn continually ensures these champions 
stay employed.

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Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC]

On Feb 14, 2005, at 6:48 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
That is laughable.  MS IE on Windows has one of the worst reputations
around for following web standards.  Go ask any professional designer.
I did better.  I actually ran the W3C conformance tests against MSIE,
and it passed.  At the time, no other browser came close.
Today, MSIE is not the only browser with good conformance, but it is
still one of the best.  Firefox is young and has some security issues
that worry me, but we shall see.  Opera has the disadvantage of not
being free, and you don't really get much in exchange for paying for it
that you wouldn't already get with Firefox or MSIE.
You can say all you want.  Every professional designer I have ever 
talked with lamented the poor state of standards conformance of IE for 
Windows.  And they could document it.  MS only has compatibility with 
itself, and that is it.  And since it is the 800lb gorilla, they think 
they can basically do whatever they want.

People I highly respect have done lots of tests of browsers with the 
standard and conformance to the W3C standards suites and IE Windows 
does not do that well.

Chad
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Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Anthony Atkielski]

Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:

> That is laughable.  MS IE on Windows has one of the worst reputations
> around for following web standards.  Go ask any professional designer.

I did better.  I actually ran the W3C conformance tests against MSIE,
and it passed.  At the time, no other browser came close.

Today, MSIE is not the only browser with good conformance, but it is
still one of the best.  Firefox is young and has some security issues
that worry me, but we shall see.  Opera has the disadvantage of not
being free, and you don't really get much in exchange for paying for it
that you wouldn't already get with Firefox or MSIE.

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Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC]

On Feb 14, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Vonleigh Simmons writes:
If you need to run explorer to access a website, someone should be
fired. Standards compliance is a good thing.
MSIE has traditionally followed HTML standards more closely than almost
any other browser.  Firefox does pretty well, tough; Opera much less 
so.
That is laughable.  MS IE on Windows has one of the worst reputations 
around for following web standards.  Go ask any professional designer.  
For a long time, IE on the Mac was one of the best, but it too fell 
behind and is no a discontinued product.

Chad
Webmasters should probably be replaced if they design an open Web site
for any _specific_ browser.  Internal web sites are a different story.
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Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Anthony Atkielski]

Vonleigh Simmons writes:

> If you need to run explorer to access a website, someone should be
> fired. Standards compliance is a good thing.

MSIE has traditionally followed HTML standards more closely than almost
any other browser.  Firefox does pretty well, tough; Opera much less so.

Webmasters should probably be replaced if they design an open Web site
for any _specific_ browser.  Internal web sites are a different story.

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Re: Postfix + Auth + SSL + pop3s/imaps

[Erik Norgaard]

BSD Mail wrote:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:00:57 +0100, Erik Norgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You don't _need_ to separate them from the system password file, just
give them shell /usr/sbin/nologin, set homedir to /nonexistent, they can
still authenticate to fetch mail. Secondly, if users should receive
mail, postfix must know about them. This is normally done by lookup in
the password file.
That's fine with me too. So with this method is PAM would be used for
authentication ? Or I would still need SASL for smtp ? 
I use saslauthd only.
If there is a way to not use SASL at all I would like to know the
available options that I have. Because I'm going to use Dovecot
for pop3s and imaps, I would probably want to get rid of SASL
if it's possible throughtout the entire mail suite if possible and
use an easier and still secure as an auth method.
well, don't ask me :-) as I wrote, I use sasl and it works for me. But, 
many servers, including postfix, comes with ldap support so instead of 
using sasl or the password file a lookup in the ldap directory is done.

Before you make your choice, you really need to decide if users will 
have a unix account or not (regardless if they can login) and then 
decide which mail servers (imap/pop) to run based on which supports that 
setup. All, AFAIK, support the unix account.

So if SSL/TLS is tunneling clear text passwords and it's encrypting the 
connection then why would I need SASL in the first place ? Shouldn't adding 
user with nologin shell / nonexistent home and enabling TLS would suffice ?
or I'm I missing something here?
The point of using sasl to separate privileges. The server that requires 
users to authenticate can run unprivileged and request saslauthd to 
authenticate. Otherwise the server must run as root in order to access 
the master passwd file and authenticate.

Running your server with root privileges may be required anyway if mail 
is stored as maildir/mailbox files, whereas cyrus-imap maintains it's 
own privilege control.

One of the cool features of cyrus-imap is that you can share folders 
among users. This is neat instead of mailinglist if you for example have 
a support@ address.

I think I will go with Openwebmail there is a patch to make it work
with Maildir and also it does support SSL login.
You will gain freedom if your webmail issues an imap connection, since 
you are going to support imap anyway. This means that you can move your 
webmail service independently of the mail server - be it openwebmail or 
squirrelmail.

I thought if I want to use smtps I have to use port 465 instead of 25.
I want all outgoing email to use smtps. In this case if all mail is
sent via smpts would that work fine even if the second hop doesn't
have smtps ? In other words, would a mail server that uses port
25 for send and receive have a problem receiving mail from my server ?
smtps on port 465 is depreciated. The way it works is that the client 
connects to port 25 and issues a "START_TLS" command. Then the server 
and client will exchange keys and an encrypted session is initiated. 
Same thing for imaps.

The only difference from smtps is that both encrypted and unencrypted 
connections goes on the same port, and the point is to avoid saturation 
of the port interval 1-1023. The only exception is https which is 
considered to be so wide spread that it will remain on port 443.

The cool thing is that you can configure postfix such that when the 
client requests which commands are available, "authenticate" is only 
available if an encrypted connection has been established.

The only reason not to use cyrus-imap is that you will have to
authenticate (again) if you read mail on the console, eg. using pine.
Is that behavior because of authentication / SSL ? Or it is specific
to cyrus-imap ?
This is because the mail client opens an imap connection, where as if it 
used Mailbox it would just read from a file. So, it is not cyrus nor ssl.

My solution is that normally I don't use a text based client anyway. For 
vital accounts such as root, I dump mail into a file also, so I have 
access to that important mail if everything else just doesn't work.

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Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Vonleigh Simmons]

Flight Simulator
	I missed this. If you want a game, use that. But if you want a real 
flight simulator check out x-plane:



Microsoft Internet Explorer
	If you need to run explorer to access a website, someone should be 
fired. Standards compliance is a good thing.

Vonleigh Simmons

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Re: SMP kernel

[Kris Kennaway]

On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 02:08:25PM -1000, Kara Chapman wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> I am running FreeBSD 5.3 and have recently rebuilt the kernel to use
> SMP.  Ever since, I get these error messages from postfix on a regular
> basis:
> 
>  
> 
> postfix/smtpd[49491]: fatal: accept connection: Invalid argument
> 
>  
> 
> Does anyone know what this means and if it's at all related to the new
> kernel?  Other than adding SMP, the kernel is using all the defaults.

Do the messages persist if you set debug.mpsafenet=0 in your
/boot/loader.conf and reboot (this is only a workaround since it
causes relative performance degradation, but it will help to identify
where the problem might be)?

Kris



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please, a little sanity about the logo

[Steve Ireland]

Hello,
As a rule I don't post to mailing lists, especially about bike 
sheds, but I have seen a firestorm on this list and questions@ 
concerning the logo and most of them are vitriol or hysteria or 
vitriolic hysteria.
First, I've been using, selling, and supporting FBSD since 2.2.2. 
In that time, I think I have become as fond of Beastie as anyone. 
While selling nearly a thousand installations (not systems), I 
have never encountered a problem over the logo, and I have put 
many a Beastie badge on a case. Changing a brand identifier is 
not something to be done on a whim. In the case of FBSD, which 
has a "community" rather than a corporate hierarchy, decisions 
like this need to be floated and allowed to settle before being 
finalized.
This leads to the first question, should the logo be changed.
Frankly, I don't know. Absent marketing studies, no way exists to 
know. Were studies done? If yes, will they be shared? If studies 
were not done, what methodology was used to determine the current 
logo is a hindrance to FBSD gaining market share?
This leads to the second question, how pick the new one. 
Considering Beastie has been around since the beginning with no 
real objection until, apparently, recently, how do you (whomever 
"you" are) know the one you pick to replace it will be _better_ 
and not just different?
This leads to a suggestion others have already made, a splitting 
of FBSD into hobbyist and professional branches. The hobbyists 
keep Beastie, the .org site, and the non-profit status. The 
professionals get the new logo, the .com site, and pay for use 
and support (perhaps an annual subscription?).
Now, an issue not yet brought up. I believe the real problem with 
FBSD market share has more to do with its lack of visibilty in 
the market itself. Other than mentions so rare that links to them 
are posted on the website, I see almost no news concerning FBSD. 
Looking through advocacy@'s archive, I seen almost no pro-active 
posts. So let me make this into one.
Here are my suggestions to improve FBSD market share, regardless 
of logo change:
0. Dedicated marketing department - The Foundation as it 
currently exists is clearly insufficient to meet FBSD's needs. 
You think Redhat or Suse don't have one?
1. Advertise - There are many ways to do this besides a full-page 
glossy in Sys Admin. For instance, ask people using FBSD for 
hosting to mention that fact in their own ads. If the example of 
yahoo.com didn't come up from time to time on the lists, who 
would know they use it?
2. Make it easier for the media, etc. to find an authorative 
source - How many times have people posted "How do I find a FBSD 
spokesman" on various lists (especially questions@) and been 
given inappropriate responses from random community members. In 
my opinion, that has done more harm than any logo ever will.
3. Performance matters - As much as I hate this issue, it is a 
real one. Look at CPU, RAM, and hard drive sizes. More is better. 
A common refrain is how well *nix does on slow systems compared 
to Windows (or, emphasizing its lack of performance, Windoze). 
5.3 is observably slower and less stable than 4.11. Now I have to 
convince customers that the slower version is the better choice. 
I don't even try. I won't even mention 5.x until it is at least 
as good as 4.11.
4. Quality support for common hardware - Anyone using USB 2.0 
without problems? Trouble free installation while using a USB 
keyboard? SATA raid controllers? (Please don't give the tired 
line, "Code it yourself if you want it." That's ANOTHER reason 
FBSD suffers in the marketplace.)
To sum up, if changing the logo is being done for sound business 
reasons, based on sound business information, all well and good. 
If its being done to appease religious zealots (as seems to be 
the case), then FBSD will be a laughing-stock. All of the 
"printing" issues seems like an after-the-fact justification to 
me, especially considering that I not have ever seen any printed 
FBSD literature other than the few commercially available books. 
In either case, I doubt a logo change will have a beneficial 
impact given FBSD's other marketing shortcomings.

For better or worse,
Steve Ireland
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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Matthias Buelow]

Chris wrote:
I will agree on this point - A server does not NEED to a WM (none of 
mine do). However, I am speaking from a desktop point of view.
Can you please move that discussion to a newsgroup, or to private mail?
Thanks.
mkb.
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SMP kernel

[Kara Chapman]

Hi,

 

I am running FreeBSD 5.3 and have recently rebuilt the kernel to use
SMP.  Ever since, I get these error messages from postfix on a regular
basis:

 

postfix/smtpd[49491]: fatal: accept connection: Invalid argument

 

Does anyone know what this means and if it's at all related to the new
kernel?  Other than adding SMP, the kernel is using all the defaults.

 

Thanks in advance...

 

-Kara

 

 

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setup virtual server problems.

[Kangaroo]

Question about setup virtual server..
X4 zoom ADSL modem&router
WANIP from X4: 64.234.33.45
LAN IP 10.0.0.6
this zoom ADSL modem connnect to D-LINK broadband router
WAN PORT of D-LINK connect to WANPORT of ZOOM X4
WANIP :10.0.0.11
LAN IP: 192.168.0.2
   D-LINK has enable virtual severs to allow port 21..
from IP 192.168.0.99

>From ZOOM setup virtual server?
Is it correct to setup like this
allow port pubport 21 private port 21 -- addr.
192.168.0.99

Testing the virtual server
ftp://64.234.33.45
entering this addr, lead me to zoom admin config setup..
while I WANT to see ftp page is up...( since it set
anonymous ftp  )

WHat is missing? 
how to run test correctly?

Cheers.


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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Eric Kjeldergaard]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:18:57 +0100, Anthony Atkielski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Eric Kjeldergaard writes:
> 
> > I have to go with Loren, the BSOD certainly still comes up with
> > NT/2k/(especially)XP systems.  I have had systems that would Blue
> > Screen about once a week.  And, before someone (read Anthony) comes
> > out saying "You're using bum drivers or flaky apps"  I definitely was.
> >  I was, however, using ONLY things coming from the Windows Install CDs
> > or the Windows updates system which means that it's the OS itself that
> > is at fault.
> 
> No, it's not.  The drivers are often written by third parties, even when
> they are provided with the OS.  And if they contain bugs, they may
> crash the system.
> 
> Unfortunately, modules that provide access to the hardware for the
> operating system must execute at the same level of privilege as the
> kernel; in other words, they must be "trusted."  The OS has no defense
> against bugs in these modules.  This is true in any OS, and it is often
> a problem for operating systems if the device drivers (or their
> equivalents) are unreliable.
> 
> The OS itself is not faulting; the device drivers are doing that.  But
> the OS has no choice but to trust the device drivers, otherwise they
> cannot fulfill their purpose.  So if they fault, they often do so in
> kernel mode, and the OS is forced to take the system down for reasons of
> safety.
> 

Well, no that's not entirely true...First off, there's the claim by
Windows itself that it's not drivers.  You've read the code (as you
say) and know that Windows wouldn't possibly lie about the fact that
it's not the drivers.  And then there's the thing where since one is
including drivers along with an operating system, they are part of the
operating system even if they were written by a third party.

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Re: Choosing to install turns off laptop. HD is untouched.

[Anthony Atkielski]

Fabian Anklam writes:

> We recently had a Proliant DL380 for testing, seemed like solid
> hardware, literally, the server management CD for preparing the system
> for different flavors of OSes just worked as it was supposed to ...

What preparation is required?  Can't you just wipe the disk and install
what you want, or has HP/Compaq screwed around with the hardware so much
that this is no longer possible?

Do they provide for FreeBSD in their "preparations"?

> The usual (old) Compaq problems reside in the system partion (or
> rather lack thereof) and for the Desktops in the less than mediocre
> BIOS. For the older PL servers a server management boot CD is usually
> all you need to get whatever you want running, for the Desktops it
> usually involves hunting down some firmware upgrades and boot disks to
> restore the system partition, nothing out of the ordinary.

So they are just as bad as they used to be.  Compaq's own garbage on
their machines has always been a support headache.  They just can't
leave things alone.

> My FreeBSD box runs on a Deskpro EP 400 desktop coupled with a
> SMART2/SL RAID controller ripped out of a PL1600 - you can love or
> hate compaq, but their hardware was rock-solid.

The hardware itself has had a very good reputation.  I'm happy to hear
that this is still the case (and unhappy to hear that they still can't
keep their hands out of it).

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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Chris]

Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Chris writes:

That's a matter of point of view. If the user using FBSD uses a WM of
his/her choice, and they are happy with the way if works - there isn't
an issue.

Perhaps, but in a more objective sense, GUIs are an unnecessary
complication on servers.  Most of the time, nobody is looking at the
monitor.  Sometimes there is no monitor.  A GUI just squanders resources
on a server that might need those resources for something else someday.
None of the server operations that a sysadmin might have to carry out
needs a GUI.  Operations that must be done remotely are a thousand times
faster to do with a simple terminal CLI than with a bandwidth-hogging
GUI.  And the present of a GUI on the server destabilizes the machine,
for reasons I have already explained.
I will agree on this point - A server does not NEED to a WM (none of 
mine do). However, I am speaking from a desktop point of view.

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Re: Updated perl - broke stuff

[Kris Kennaway]

On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 12:24:07PM +0100, Dick Hoogendijk wrote:
> On 13 Feb Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 08:35:06PM -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote:
> > > --On Sunday, February 13, 2005 5:18 PM -0500 Chuck Swiger <[EMAIL 
> > > PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >Did you read /usr/ports/UPDATING?  It contains a suggestion for how to
> > > >update the Perl ports which might have helped...
> > > >
> > > Well, no.  Why on earth would I do *that*?  ;-)
> > > 
> > > (Thanks for the tip.  I ran it.)  I wonder why the perl port doesn't 
> > > include  this command in a post-install script?
> > 
> > It's a once-off change needed when updating from an older version, and
> > the post-install script (or any other part of the port build) doesn't
> > know that this is what is happening.
> 
> Meaning I don't run this update script when updating perl from say
> "5.8.5" to "5.8.6" ?

No, that what I meant by "when updating from an older version".  When
perl changes from e.g. 5.8.6 to 5.8.6_1 (an internal port change that
doesn't change where the files are stored on disk) you don't need to
take special action.

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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Anthony Atkielski]

Eric Kjeldergaard writes:

> I have to go with Loren, the BSOD certainly still comes up with
> NT/2k/(especially)XP systems.  I have had systems that would Blue
> Screen about once a week.  And, before someone (read Anthony) comes
> out saying "You're using bum drivers or flaky apps"  I definitely was.
>  I was, however, using ONLY things coming from the Windows Install CDs
> or the Windows updates system which means that it's the OS itself that
> is at fault.

No, it's not.  The drivers are often written by third parties, even when
they are provided with the OS.  And if they contain bugs, they may
crash the system.

Unfortunately, modules that provide access to the hardware for the
operating system must execute at the same level of privilege as the
kernel; in other words, they must be "trusted."  The OS has no defense
against bugs in these modules.  This is true in any OS, and it is often
a problem for operating systems if the device drivers (or their
equivalents) are unreliable.

The OS itself is not faulting; the device drivers are doing that.  But
the OS has no choice but to trust the device drivers, otherwise they
cannot fulfill their purpose.  So if they fault, they often do so in
kernel mode, and the OS is forced to take the system down for reasons of
safety.

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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Anthony Atkielski]

Chris writes:

> That's a matter of point of view. If the user using FBSD uses a WM of
> his/her choice, and they are happy with the way if works - there isn't
> an issue.

Perhaps, but in a more objective sense, GUIs are an unnecessary
complication on servers.  Most of the time, nobody is looking at the
monitor.  Sometimes there is no monitor.  A GUI just squanders resources
on a server that might need those resources for something else someday.
None of the server operations that a sysadmin might have to carry out
needs a GUI.  Operations that must be done remotely are a thousand times
faster to do with a simple terminal CLI than with a bandwidth-hogging
GUI.  And the present of a GUI on the server destabilizes the machine,
for reasons I have already explained.

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Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Anthony Atkielski]

Ted Mittelstaedt writes:

> Like Anthony, I do use Windows on the desktop myself.

Well, that says it all, doesn't it?

> But not exclusively.

If you had only one computer that could boot only one OS, which would it
be?

> And, much more importantly, I will readily admit that I haven't
> switched over not because I'm claiming I can't, I haven't switched
> over because of laziness.

What's lazy about sticking with something that works?

> In my case I unfortunately decided it might be a good thing to use a
> Microsoft client mail program to handle e-mail. This was a decade ago.
> I now have around ten thousand archived e-mail messages accumulated in
> a massive *.pst file that I really want to keep - not because I want
> to look at all of them again some day, but because from time to time I
> have to go digging around in that archive looking for some specific
> piece from some specific person - sometimes these messages might be
> 5-6 years old.

Many e-mail programs can import messages from Outlook and/or Outlook
Express. When I switched to The Bat (mainly to better handle spam and
eliminate security issues), I was able to import all messages from
Outlook Express without any trouble.

> One of these days though when I get some time, that file is going to
> get exported so that I can get out of dealing with Outlook.  As it is
> now, Outlook is barely able to manage the archive, and usually crashes
> a couple times a day.  And it's such a well written program that when
> that happens, something internal to Windows gets jammed up and I have
> to do a shutdown and restart.

Microsoft likes to put all sorts of system hooks in its products.
That's why I've tried to get away from Microsoft applications.  I still
have a few legacy Microsoft applications that I haven't been able to get
rid of, however.  All the replacements run on Windows, also.

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Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Anthony Atkielski]

Ted Mittelstaedt writes:

> WRONG, the specific purpose is what's important, not the tool to
> accomplish it.

Sometimes the tool is part of the purpose, if you must be able to share
data with other people or organizations.

For example, if you have a client or supplier who requires AutoCAD or
Photoshop native files, you have no choice but to run an Application
that can read and generate these, and this in turn determines your
choice of OS.  These two formats are moderately widely supported, but
many file formats are supported only by the applications for which they
were originally designed.

The problem grows more complicated if you need multiple applications; in
that case, you must find an OS platform that supports all of them, or
buy multiple computers.  The numbers overwhelmingly favor Windows in
this type of situation: the greater the number of applications you need
to support, the more likely it is that only Windows will support them
all.  This is the inevitable consequence of the sheer number of
desktop applications available for Windows.

> If someone contracts with you to create an image and give the
> output to them as a photoshop source file, then obviously in
> that case Photoshop is a requirement.

Yes, and unfortunately that happens a lot.  The most frequent constraint
I encounter myself is the need to read or write Microsoft Word files.
Fortunately it is mostly just reading, so I can get away with the free
Word viewer downloaded from MS, but if I must write the files, I have no
choice but to use the dusty old copy of Office running on my oldest
desktop machine.  I personally have no use for Word at all, since I do
all my text processing on Quark these days, but other people don't have
Quark XPress, usually.

> But if the same person wants the output as a tiff image, then there
> is no requirement to use photoshop, there are many other tools
> to create an image and output in tiff.

That goes without saying.

> But if your not needing to supply photoshop output, then you aren't
> actually "needing" to use it.  Your "choosing" to use it.  Which means
> that you COULD switch over to 100% UNIX if you selected other tools
> to use.

Yes.  Unfortunately I _need_ to supply files in certain formats.

But even if this were not the case, the obvious question still arises:
WHY would I switch to 100% UNIX, when Windows works perfectly on the
desktop?  I have no ax to grind against Microsoft; I have no emotional
attachment to any particular operating system.  Windows is the logical
choice for the desktop, why _shouldn't_ I use Windows?

The only arguments I ever hear about this are invalid arguments, such as
claims that Windows constantly crashes or is insecure.  But my Windows
systems don't crash, and I have no security problems with them.  The
only realistic argument is the cost, but I bought NT years ago and it
has run ever since (I still have all the disks, too, so I could install
it on a new machine if I retire the only one).  Windows XP came
preinstalled.  It is true that the cost of installing Windows new on a
machine is formidable, but I'd be compelled to do that, anyway, since I
must have a Windows desktop somewhere.

> People always use the line "I have to run (insert here) Word, Excel,
> Powerpoint, etc. etc. because my boss tells me to do so, that is
> why I can't switch"  But this is MOSTLY in my experience, a load
> of bullcrap.  Most of them could work up their business letter in
> any old wordprocessor, work up their spreadsheet in any old spreadsheet
> program, work up their presentation in any old presentation program.
> As long as the work got done, their boss is going to be happy.
> But people like to say this to give themselves an excuse for
> not having to learn how to use a new program.

They don't need an excuse.  If they have a program that they know how to
use, there's no reason at all for them to learn to use another program.

It's not up to these people to justify to you their continuing use of a
solution that has always worked for them and continues to work for them.
It's up to you to explain to them why they should expend additional time
and effort learning to use something new just to accomplish exactly the
same thing.

> You should hear the whining and pissing and moaning in a typical
> office every time Microsoft upgrades one of their program and
> a new version comes out.

There will be whining and moaning any time a new version of anything
comes out.  Usually upgrades aren't nearly as necessary as having the
applications to begin with, so only a fraction of all upgrades are
actually needed.

It's interesting that you see the users' pain when it comes to switching
to a new version of the same product, but you don't seem to understand
why users would not want to switch to an entirely different product that
offers no advantages and requires a long period of training and
accommodation.  You seem to think that switching from Windows to UNIX is
no big deal, even though it ser

FreeBSD on 8x AMD64

[Richard Knott]

I  would like to know if anyone has tested 5.3 release or later on a 8
CPU AMD Opteron system?

Richard Knott
Sr. Account Manager
Think Computer Products
16812 Hale Ave.
Irvine, Ca. 92606
800-726-2477 x 121
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Boot manager doesn't boot

[Marcin Simonides]

In the few recent months I've been having problems with the standard
FreeBSD bootmanager: instead of booting some systems it would just beep
and do nothing.

At first I had problems with booting Windows 2000 (I reinstalled it on
the same partition it has been before for a few years, then windows
installed its NTLDR, then I installed bootmgr with boot0cfg and only
FreeBSD would boot. I started using NTLDR to boot both systems). Now I
have two more HDDs and want to play with different OSes and I'd like this
standard bootmgr (BootEasy, right?) because it doesn't need any
configuration, it just works (or worked...).

To the point: I installed FreeBSD 5.3 on a second disk to copy my user
files and configs from 4-STABLE. Then I deleted last three slices of
the first/old HDD (the first one was 8MB for Linux that I may install
some day (<1024 cyl limit or sth), I left it), created a bigger slice
for FreeBSD and a third one.  After copying FreeBSD partitions and
installing bootmgr (boot0cfg -B /dev/ad0; bsdlabel -B /dev/ad0s2, AFAIR)
FreeBSD wouldn't boot - all I was getting was a beep after pressing F2.
I then made a fresh install on that partition from CD - same thing. I
removed the first small partition and created only two - now FreeBSD
started (after installation) from the first partition. I think that's
odd...

Then I installed Solaris and got its own boot manager. Works nice, but I
need to install Windows 2000 on a second disk and would like FreeBSD
bootmgr's F5 - Drive 1 functionality for booting it.
So I installed it: boot0cfg -B /dev/ad0 - and it doesn't boot neither
FreeBSD nor Solaris - just beeps. Why? What can I do about this? (apart
from reverting to the Solaris' bootmgr for now - the good thing about
all this is that I learned to always back up the MBR :)

I've spent quite a lot of time googling and searching the archives, but
didn't find anything that would help :(
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Re: formatting a DVD+RW

[Xian]

On Saturday 12 February 2005 11:02, Marc Fonvieille wrote:
> You did not read the URL I pasted in a previous mail :(
>
> Marc

oops. Now I read the whole thing I've made it work.
Thanks

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Re: Logo contest?!

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> 
> On Feb 14, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Martin Ibert wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm at a loss about whom to contact, since the PR slot on the contacts 
> > page only says "seat open". So I tried "questions".
> >
> > I've read on slashdot that you entertain the notion of running a 
> > FreeBSD logo contest. As a long-time user of FreeBSD, both 
> > professionally and privately, I seriously question the wisdom of doing 
> > so.
> >
> > For us old-timers in the IT field, the Beastie logo has always been a 
> > reassuring point of reference. BSD code has been renowned for being 
> > rock-solid, brilliantly engineered, and all that has been symbolized 
> > by the daemon logo.
> >
> > But alas! All your sibling projects that I am aware of have chickened 
> > out and chosen some other imagery as their logo (NetBSD, the faceless 
> > banner; OpenBSD, the fat fish; Dragonfly, what choice did they have?). 
> > You are the last one standing, the carrier of the flag.
> >
> > Please, don't chicken out like the others. Carry Chuck, the Beastie, 
> > forward into the new millennium, as a reassuring presence that 
> > excellence in coding is still alive and kicking (or be it with 
> > sneakers).
> 
> Dude, here's a can of worms.  Do with it what you will.
> 
> -Bart

We have had enough noise on this for two lifetimes.   If you have
to indulge yourself, just go look at the last week's archive
and leave us alone.

jerry

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Re: Choosing to install turns off laptop. HD is untouched.

[Fabian Anklam]

> > First of all HP purchased Compaq a while ago, and when the sale was
> > completed they dumped the Netserver line, servers from them are
> > now HP Proliants. (Proliant was the Compaq line)
> 
> Are they as good as their HP and Compaq predecessors?

We recently had a Proliant DL380 for testing, seemed like solid
hardware, literally, the server management CD for preparing the system
for different flavors of OSes just worked as it was supposed to, neat
integrated systems management solutions. Fine hardware from what I
could tell in the little time I had with it and OEM solutions that
seemed actually usefull.

> > The Netservers and Proliants in general never had touble with FreeBSD.
> > Considering they certified them with Solaris/Netware/etc. they had to
> > be pretty standard.
> 
> Compaq Proliants had a lot of weird stuff running on the server, as I
> recall.  As long as you stuck to the OEM versions it ran fine, but if
> you tried to wipe the machine and install a vanilla OS, things went
> wrong.

The usual (old) Compaq problems reside in the system partion (or
rather lack thereof) and for the Desktops in the less than mediocre
BIOS. For the older PL servers a server management boot CD is usually
all you need to get whatever you want running, for the Desktops it
usually involves hunting down some firmware upgrades and boot disks to
restore the system partition, nothing out of the ordinary.

My FreeBSD box runs on a Deskpro EP 400 desktop coupled with a
SMART2/SL RAID controller ripped out of a PL1600 - you can love or
hate compaq, but their hardware was rock-solid.
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Re: Postfix + Auth + SSL + pop3s/imaps

[BSD Mail]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:00:57 +0100, Erik Norgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BSD Mail wrote:
> > I have a 5.3 Server. I'm planning to install Postfix.
> > I'm planning to use the Maildir format.
> >
> > I'm going to generate my own SSL certificates for mail
> > and use it for smpts/imaps/pop3s. But I'm not sure what
> > to use for authentication. I need to have the mail
> > users/password seperated from the system user/password.
> > Because some users will only have mail accounts and they
> > won't have any shell access.
> 
> You don't _need_ to separate them from the system password file, just
> give them shell /usr/sbin/nologin, set homedir to /nonexistent, they can
> still authenticate to fetch mail. Secondly, if users should receive
> mail, postfix must know about them. This is normally done by lookup in
> the password file.

That's fine with me too. So with this method is PAM would be used for
authentication ? Or I would still need SASL for smtp ? 
If there is a way to not use SASL at all I would like to know the
available options that I have. Because I'm going to use Dovecot
for pop3s and imaps, I would probably want to get rid of SASL
if it's possible throughtout the entire mail suite if possible and
use an easier and still secure as an auth method.

 
> > I read about different auth mechanism and I know for sure that
> > Plain Login is not what I want. I need DIGEST-MD5. I'm looking
> > for something easier than SASL to configure. On my test server
> > I tried to configure SASL and couldn't get DIGEST-MD5 to work.
> > Any suggestion ?
> 
> SASL isn't difficult too if you use the system password file. Just set
> 
> pwcheck_method: saslauthd
> mech_list: plain login
> 
> in /usr/local/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf, remember to start saslauthd. Sasl
> supports different schemes, I have only been able to make plain work,
> maybe the others require use of sasldb.
> 
> > Someone mentioned that I shouldn't worry about the authentication
> > if it's Plain or Login because I'm going to use SSL and that would
> > encrypt both Login and the data channel. I'm not sure if this is
> > 100% true. Any idea ?
> 
> First, your users don't have shell access, a compromise is a compromise
> of their privacy not your system - ofcourse their privacy should be
> protected, but it makes their account less interesting.
> 
> Using ssl/tls you are tunnelling clear text passwords through an
> encrypted connection. This protects against sniffing.

So if SSL/TLS is tunneling clear text passwords and it's encrypting the 
connection then why would I need SASL in the first place ? Shouldn't adding 
user with nologin shell / nonexistent home and enabling TLS would suffice ?
or I'm I missing something here?

> > Last but not least, I'm going to add on top of all that a webmail.
> > probably Openwebmail or squirrelmail. Which one of them
> > would work better with all what I mentioned earlier:
> 
> I use squirrelmail, don't worry too much about that, squirrelmail
> connects through imap, so you server must support imap. The web
> interface must be setup with ssl also.

I think I will go with Openwebmail there is a patch to make it work
with Maildir and also it does support SSL login.

> > I was checking one of squirrelmail password plugins and I read this 
> > sentence:
> > "Cyrus SASL includes a shell utility called "saslpasswd" for manipulating 
> > user
> > passwords in the "sasldb" database. This patch attempts to use this utility 
> > to
> > perform password manipulations required by your squirrelmail users without 
> > any
> > administrative interaction. Unfortunately, this scheme requires that the
> > "saslpasswd" utility be run as the "cyrus" user - a horrible security 
> > problem
> > since we have chosen to SUID a small script which will allow this to 
> > happen."
> 
> You will always have a security concern when letting some program mess
> with passwords. Ofcourse this is particularly important if it messes
> with system password file.
> 
> An alternative is to employ eg. a ldap server - same problem, but at
> least you get things separated.
> 
> > I'm pretty confused about the authentication method to use. I'm trying to 
> > run
> > everything as secure as possible. I configured Postfix to run chrooted.
> > and I'm going to use SSL for sure. What auth should I choose for smtp ?
> 
> Ok, I have pretty much the setup you want, except that I use cyrus-imap
> which does not use Maildir nor Mailbox. Postfix can be setup to use
> saslauth, it can be configured only to accept authentication through
> encrypted connection using ssl.
> 
> postfix supports the recommended use of start_tls to start an encrypted
> connection on the default port 25 instead of smtps.

I thought if I want to use smtps I have to use port 465 instead of 25.
I want all outgoing email to use smtps. In this case if all mail is
sent via smpts would that work fine even if the second hop doesn't
have smtps ? In other words, would a mail server that uses port
25 for se

Weird disk problems

[Ulf Magnusson]

Today I decided to install FreeBSD, and so I grabbed a FreeBSD installation CD 
off the net. The first time I booted from the installation CD, everything went 
fine (seemingly), and I soon found myself in sysinstall. Not quite ready to 
install at that point, and needing to shut down the system, I quit sysinstall 
without having initiated any install or changed any settings (except maybe for 
the keymap, I can't remember). I returned later to commence the installation 
only to find that the boot process now hangs, the last message being "GEOM 
configure ad0s1, start 32256 length 112785007104 end 112785039359" (verbose 
logging). I did not start my computer between the two occasions, and didn't 
change my hardware configuration either. Windows, which I have installed on the 
same disk (I shrunk the NTFS partition by 10 GiB using Partition Magic to make 
way for FreeBSD), still boots fine.

Help appreciated,
Ulf

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Re: Logo contest?!

[Bart Silverstrim]

On Feb 14, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Martin Ibert wrote:
Hi,
I'm at a loss about whom to contact, since the PR slot on the contacts 
page only says "seat open". So I tried "questions".

I've read on slashdot that you entertain the notion of running a 
FreeBSD logo contest. As a long-time user of FreeBSD, both 
professionally and privately, I seriously question the wisdom of doing 
so.

For us old-timers in the IT field, the Beastie logo has always been a 
reassuring point of reference. BSD code has been renowned for being 
rock-solid, brilliantly engineered, and all that has been symbolized 
by the daemon logo.

But alas! All your sibling projects that I am aware of have chickened 
out and chosen some other imagery as their logo (NetBSD, the faceless 
banner; OpenBSD, the fat fish; Dragonfly, what choice did they have?). 
You are the last one standing, the carrier of the flag.

Please, don't chicken out like the others. Carry Chuck, the Beastie, 
forward into the new millennium, as a reassuring presence that 
excellence in coding is still alive and kicking (or be it with 
sneakers).
Dude, here's a can of worms.  Do with it what you will.
-Bart
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Logo contest?!

[Martin Ibert]

Hi,
I'm at a loss about whom to contact, since the PR slot on the contacts 
page only says "seat open". So I tried "questions".

I've read on slashdot that you entertain the notion of running a FreeBSD 
logo contest. As a long-time user of FreeBSD, both professionally and 
privately, I seriously question the wisdom of doing so.

For us old-timers in the IT field, the Beastie logo has always been a 
reassuring point of reference. BSD code has been renowned for being 
rock-solid, brilliantly engineered, and all that has been symbolized by 
the daemon logo.

But alas! All your sibling projects that I am aware of have chickened 
out and chosen some other imagery as their logo (NetBSD, the faceless 
banner; OpenBSD, the fat fish; Dragonfly, what choice did they have?). 
You are the last one standing, the carrier of the flag.

Please, don't chicken out like the others. Carry Chuck, the Beastie, 
forward into the new millennium, as a reassuring presence that 
excellence in coding is still alive and kicking (or be it with sneakers).

Yours sincerely
Martin Ibert
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Re: Shabang executable path

[Gerard Samuel]

Clint Gilders wrote:
Gerard Samuel wrote:
A bit off topic, but I figure someone in here, may be able to point
me in the right direction.
!#/path/to/php
Im wondering, if its possible for the /path/to/php can be made dynamic.
i.e.  Have the file still look as if it is a shell script, but
the path to the executable is determined at run time,
to make it more portable.

Seems to me you could use:
#!/usr/bin/env php
Much like people often recommend for perl scripts.

Very nice...
#!/usr/bin/env php

$ ./z.php -foo bar
array(3) {
 [0]=>
 string(7) "./z.php"
 [1]=>
 string(4) "-foo"
 [2]=>
 string(3) "bar"
}
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Re: ping question

[ann kok]

Hi all

Thank you very much for your help

The freebsd router is behind the cisco router.

Do you have any experience to determine the traffic is
in freebsd and cisco from outside?

Can traceroute give figure to prove it?

Please help

Thank you again

--- "Loren M. Lang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 08:50:32AM -0800, ann kok
> wrote:
> > Hi all
> > 
> > I ping from redhat to cisco router and freebsd
> router
> > but I don't understand ttl (time to live)
> > 
> > Cisco router has ttl=251 and freebsd router has 58
> > Does it set by the router itself?
> > Can I change it in freebsd?
> 
> FreeBSD's default ttl, I believe, is 64, Cisco's is
> probably 255.  As
> long as the number of hops neccessary to get to a
> certain computer is
> never more than 64, there's nothing wrong with it. 
> The highest I've
> seen is about 30 and the Internet is going to have
> to grow a bit, I
> think, before it's an issue.
> 
> > 
> > Thank you
> > 
> > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1151 ttl=251
> > time=100 ms
> > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1152 ttl=251
> > time=103 ms
> > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1153 ttl=251
> > time=104 ms
> > 64 bytes from 212.223.x.193: icmp_seq=1154 ttl=251
> > time=106 ms
> > 
> > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1182 ttl=58
> > time=105 ms
> > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1183 ttl=58
> > time=105 ms
> > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1184 ttl=58
> > time=104 ms
> > 64 bytes from 212.x.254.4: icmp_seq=1185 ttl=58
> > time=108 ms
> > 
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Re: Ports

[Paul Schmehl]

--On Monday, February 14, 2005 11:53:04 AM -0500 Christopher McGee 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Could you please give some detail about setting options for individual
ports in make.conf?  Maybe I missed something in 'man make.conf' or 'man
ports' but everything seems to refer to global options.  The only example
I've found is in man portmanager, but I'm still a little unsure about the
how to do it properly.
Since Mike posted an example, I won't repeat it.  I should point out that 
you can also use /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf.  Here's an example of that:

MAKE_ARGS = {
   'security/snort-*' => 'WITH_MYSQL=1 WITH_FLEXRESP=1'
 }
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Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Erik Steffl]

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
...
of laziness.  In my case I unfortunately decided it might be a good thing
to use a Microsoft client mail program to handle e-mail.  This was a
decade ago.  I now have around ten thousand archived e-mail messages
accumulated in a massive *.pst file that I really want to keep - not
because
I want to look at all of them again some day, but because from time
to time I have to go digging around in that archive looking for some
specific piece from some specific person - sometimes these messages might
be 5-6 years old.
One of these days though when I get some time, that file is going to
get exported so that I can get out of dealing with Outlook.  As it is
...
  not sure how you plan to do the conversion but it looks like you are 
thinking about doing something with file itself. I'd install an IMAP 
server (it's good way to handle email anyway) and just use outlook to 
copy the emails from local folders (i.e. pst file) to an IMAP server. 
Pretty easy and you don't have to think about file formats etc., outlook 
does all the work for you.

  (maybe you already knew this but I thought it would be useful to have 
it out here for all readers because I have seen people puzzling about 
how to get the email out from outlook and not considering this trivial 
solution)

erik
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Re: dspam-3.2.6

[Daniel S. Haischt]

did you select another DB backend (e.g. PostgreSQL
or SQLite)?
Olga Zenkova schrieb:
Hi!
Can't compile dspam-3.2.6 on FreeBSD-4.10. I mark
option "MYSQL50" in the options window and then get:
"You can use one and only one database back-end at
once". Why?
Thanks,
Olga
		
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Re: Shabang executable path

[Clint Gilders]

Gerard Samuel wrote:
A bit off topic, but I figure someone in here, may be able to point
me in the right direction.
!#/path/to/php
Im wondering, if its possible for the /path/to/php can be made dynamic.
i.e.  Have the file still look as if it is a shell script, but
the path to the executable is determined at run time,
to make it more portable.
Seems to me you could use:
#!/usr/bin/env php
Much like people often recommend for perl scripts.
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Re: wireless-to-wired bridging

[Reid Linnemann]

On 2/13/2005, "Lowell Gilbert"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On a quick look, I think you might be on the right track.  The
>bridging code seems in a number of spots to be built specifically for
>Ethernet.  I have always maintained that bridging unlike media was a
>hack bound for problems...
>
>You might have more success using dummynet for bridging rather than
>trying to fix things in the protocol stack.
>
>Good luck.
>--
>Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area
>   http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/

Yeah, I can definitely see that. After a little more thinking and
grokking of the code I realized that my theory is (most likely) wrong. I
am stumped for now, but I'm going to try to solve the problem.


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Re: Shabang executable path

[Gerard Samuel]

Jordan Michaels wrote:
Gerard Samuel wrote:
Jordan Michaels wrote:
Gerard Samuel wrote:
A bit off topic, but I figure someone in here, may be able to point
me in the right direction.
!#/path/to/php
Im wondering, if its possible for the /path/to/php can be made 
dynamic.
i.e.  Have the file still look as if it is a shell script, but
the path to the executable is determined at run time,
to make it more portable.

Thanks
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Have you tried it?
# script.sh /path/to/php
--script.sh--
#! $1
echo "This is a test"
--script.sh--
... or something to that effect. 


You've misunderstood, what I'm asking, or Im not understanding your 
example.
In your example, the path to php, is still hardcoded.
What Im ulitimately trying to achieve, is a script,
that can determine the path to php, where ever it may be...
Thanks


Ah, yeah, my example was just a way to pass the path on to the script 
- not determine the path automatically. If you want to determine the 
path automatically, the only way I can see that you could do that 
would be to run two separate scripts (including the method I used above.)

Something like this:
--script_caller.sh--
$DYNAMICPATH = find / -name php | grep php
script.sh $DYNAMICPATH
--script_caller.sh--
The idea being that the script_caller.sh file would find the path to 
php on that system, then pass that path on to the script that will be 
executing the php commands.

Now... don't get me wrong. I'm not an expert script writer or 
anything. I haven't tested these scripts. However, the logic behind 
them is still valid, and should work if properly executed. (with the 
correct shell commands, etc)

HTH 

Ok.  I'll see what I can do, with what you explained...
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problem with GCC search path on FreeBSD5.3 AMD64

[Maicon Stihler]

Hi,

I installed FreeBSD 5.3 for AMD64 on my computer following the
standard procedure. To my surprise, when I tried to compile new
packages I find out that /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/include wasnt
on gcc's search path. As a workaround I compiled the packages with
CFLAGS="-B /usr/local/lib -I/usr/local/include".

As far as I know, and the gcc info pages seems to agree, these too
directories should be in the default search path.

Is someone  else experiencing this same problem?
Is there a way to add these directories to the default path without
resorting to these env variables or runtime switches?

Note that I didnt changed anything from the default install, I even
tried installing again to see if something went wrong. I searched the
system for some config file but it turned to nothing...

Thank your in advance and sorry for my bad english :)
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Re: Shabang executable path

[Jordan Michaels]

Gerard Samuel wrote:
Jordan Michaels wrote:
Gerard Samuel wrote:
A bit off topic, but I figure someone in here, may be able to point
me in the right direction.
!#/path/to/php
Im wondering, if its possible for the /path/to/php can be made dynamic.
i.e.  Have the file still look as if it is a shell script, but
the path to the executable is determined at run time,
to make it more portable.
Thanks
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Have you tried it?
# script.sh /path/to/php
--script.sh--
#! $1
echo "This is a test"
--script.sh--
... or something to that effect. 

You've misunderstood, what I'm asking, or Im not understanding your 
example.
In your example, the path to php, is still hardcoded.
What Im ulitimately trying to achieve, is a script,
that can determine the path to php, where ever it may be...
Thanks


Ah, yeah, my example was just a way to pass the path on to the script - 
not determine the path automatically. If you want to determine the path 
automatically, the only way I can see that you could do that would be to 
run two separate scripts (including the method I used above.)

Something like this:
--script_caller.sh--
$DYNAMICPATH = find / -name php | grep php
script.sh $DYNAMICPATH
--script_caller.sh--
The idea being that the script_caller.sh file would find the path to php 
on that system, then pass that path on to the script that will be 
executing the php commands.

Now... don't get me wrong. I'm not an expert script writer or anything. 
I haven't tested these scripts. However, the logic behind them is still 
valid, and should work if properly executed. (with the correct shell 
commands, etc)

HTH
--
Warm regards,
Jordan Michaels
Vivio Technologies
http://www.viviotech.net/
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Re: how to set up a dual boot system

[Marty Landman]

At 11:53 AM 2/14/2005, Jud wrote:
You can use the FreeBSD boot loader, but simplest and easiest at this
point is to download and install GAG, after which you'll be able to boot
either OS with no further fiddling required.  As always, though, your
call.
Afraid I never got the hang of making this work; however the reason for my 
wanting the dual boot sys was because my old printer didn't have an 
available driver (I thought) for win xp, but now it seems there is one and 
it's working from my workstation. So don't need dual booting after all.

Onward to the fbsd install!
Marty
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Shabang executable path

[Gerard Samuel]

A bit off topic, but I figure someone in here, may be able to point
me in the right direction.
!#/path/to/php
Im wondering, if its possible for the /path/to/php can be made dynamic.
i.e.  Have the file still look as if it is a shell script, but
the path to the executable is determined at run time,
to make it more portable.
Thanks
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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Eric Kjeldergaard]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:53:23 +0100, Anthony Atkielski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Loren M. Lang writes:
> 
> > That's not true in my expeirence, I still see the blue screen
> > occassionally on both WinNT 4.0 and 2K systems.
> 
> Then you have bad device drivers, or you are running software with OS
> privileges that contains bugs.
> 

I have to go with Loren, the BSOD certainly still comes up with
NT/2k/(especially)XP systems.  I have had systems that would Blue
Screen about once a week.  And, before someone (read Anthony) comes
out saying "You're using bum drivers or flaky apps"  I definitely was.
 I was, however, using ONLY things coming from the Windows Install CDs
or the Windows updates system which means that it's the OS itself that
is at fault.  It's likely not representative of a lot of cases, but
just a little reminder that people shouldn't make such definitive
conclusions (read assumptions) before hearing the facts.

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Re: trouble printing

[Roland Smith]

On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 11:06:06AM -0600, Brian John wrote:
> Hello,
> I tried this question on the newbies list first but didn't get a response
> so I'm trying here.

This is the right list for questions.

> I am having trouble printing from my HP Deskjet 710C printer.  It
> is hooked up via parallel port and I can print fine with it from
> Windows.  However, I can't get it to work in FreeBSD.  I followed the
> instructions here:
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/printing-intro-setup.html

Arg. The Deskjet 710C is one of those stupid printers without it's own
processor. You need a special program to convert print data into ppa
format, which is the only format it understands. See:

http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_710C

> Everything seems to be fine.  But when I try to test the printer using a
> command similar to this:
> 
> # cat file > /dev/lptN

Don't do this. Always work via the spooler. See below.
 
> or this:
> 
> lptest > /dev/lpt0

lptest just prints plain text. Your printer doesn't understand that. It
uses the host CPU for processing the print data:

From http://pnm2ppa.sourceforge.net/:

 PPA (Printing Performance Architecture) is a closed, proprietary
 protocol developed by Hewlett Packard for a short-lived series of
 DeskJet printers. In essence, the PPA protocol moves the low-level
 processing of the data to the host computer rather than the
 printer. This allows for a low-cost (to produce) printer with a
 small amount of memory and computing power. However, in practice
 the printer was often as expensive as more capable printers and HP has
 since discontinued the use of PPA in favour of returning to PCL3e in
 their latest USB-based printers.


> nothing happens.  Does anyone have a clue what I might have done wrong?

You need a special driver to talk to this printer. It is called pnm2ppa
and you can find it in ports.

More info on adriver for this printer can be found at: 
http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_driver.cgi?driver=pnm2ppa&fromprinter=HP-DeskJet_710C

If you want the printer to handle different file formats transparently,
you should install a print filter like apsfilter. You should program
apsfilter to output stuff in pnm format, which should then be piped
through pnm2ppa and then to the spooler.

I know this sounds complicated, and that's because these printers
suck. You have to jump through a lot of hoops to get them working.

In short, what has to happen for each print job is:

1) Convert the file format to pnm. This is where apsfilter comes in,
   unless you want to do it by hand every time.
2) The output from apsfilter should be fed to pnm2ppa, using the unix
   mechanism called a pipe. The apsfilter manual has info on how to set
   this up. I haven't used apsfilter in a lng time.
3) The output from pnm2ppa is fed to the spooler, which sends it to the
   printer.

By installing apsfilter and pnm2ppa you can make this process automatic.

Hope this helps.

Roland
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Re: Ports

[Michael C. Shultz]

On Monday 14 February 2005 08:53 am, Christopher McGee wrote:
> Paul Schmehl wrote:
> > - Original Message - From: "Erik Norgaard"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Paul Schmehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: "Grant Peel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> >  Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005
> > 2:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: Ports
> >
> >> Taking an arbitrary post, it appears that make.conf is not always
> >> the best place since this sets options globally. But thanks, I
> >> have now learned how to get my ports compiled with support for a4
> >> paper and _not_ letter :-)
> >
> > While that is true, you can also set options for individual ports.
> >
> > Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> > Adjunct Information Security Officer
> > The University of Texas at Dallas
> > AVIEN Founding Member
> > http://www.utdallas.edu/~pauls/
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> Could you please give some detail about setting options for
> individual ports in make.conf?  Maybe I missed something in 'man
> make.conf' or 'man ports' but everything seems to refer to global
> options.  The only example I've found is in man portmanager, but I'm
> still a little unsure about the how to do it properly.
>
This example from portmanager's manual is how to do it in make.conf:

  .if ${.CURDIR:M*/local/sysutils/portmanager}
  PREFIX=/home/mike/TEMP
  .endif
  #
  .if ${.CURDIR:M*/multimedia/mplayer}
  WITH_OPTIMIZED_CFLAGS=yes WITHOUT_RUNTIME_CPUDETECTION=yes \
  WITH_GTK1=yes WITH_RTC=yes WITH_LIBUNGIF=yes WITH_ARTS=yes \
  WITH_FRIBIDI=yes WITH_CDPARANOIA=yes WITH_LIBDV=yes\
  WITH_MAD=yes WITH_SVGALIB=yes WITH_AALIB=yes WITH_THEORA=yes\
  WITH_SDL=yes WITH_ESOUND=yes WITH_VORBIS=yes WITH_XANIM=yes \
  WITH_LIVEMEDIA=yes WITH_MATROSKA=yes WITH_XVID=yes WITH_LZO=yes \
  WITH_XMMS=yes WITH_LANG=en
  .endif

Just change the  "multimedia/mplayer" of

 .if ${.CURDIR:M*/multimedia/mplayer} 

to the port you want to save settings for.  It is interpreted
as something like "when the current directory matches this pattern, use
these WITH_* values"

-Mike
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Re: Kernel preemption

[Khairil Yusof]

On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 10:51 +0100,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm interested in using freebsd in a 'not so realtime, but...' software 
> project.

> In our running environment there are a 3 processes that need high 
> priority.
> The processes never need much cpu but they should be able to respond to 
> network (tcp) activity within 10-20ms.

Have you tried running your process using rtprio(8)?

You might also check out the HZ option of the kernel and lower
granularity of operation to 1000HZ (1ms) instead of the default 100HZ
(10ms).

See /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES




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trouble printing

[Brian John]

Hello,
I tried this question on the newbies list first but didn't get a response
so I'm trying here.

I am having trouble printing from my HP Deskjet 710C printer.  It
is hooked up via parallel port and I can print fine with it from
Windows.  However, I can't get it to work in FreeBSD.  I followed the
instructions here:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/printing-intro-setup.html

Everything seems to be fine.  But when I try to test the printer using a
command similar to this:

# cat file > /dev/lptN

or this:

lptest > /dev/lpt0

nothing happens.  Does anyone have a clue what I might have done wrong?

Thanks for the help

/Brian
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Re: dumping a samba directory

[Peter Risdon]

On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 12:46 -0700, RYAN vAN GINNEKEN wrote:
> does anyone know how to dump a samba directory i keep getting this error
> 
> dump: /usr/local/samba/export/classic: unknown file system
> Kilobytes Out 0
> 
> ERROR: non-zero exit from:
> dump -0 -b 10 -a -f - /usr/local/samba/export/classic

I haven't seen anyone else answer you yet, so:

Is /usr/local/samba/export/classic a mount point? dump can only operate
on mount points, not on directories somewhere inside a hierarchy

Peter.

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Re: Ports

[Christopher McGee]

Paul Schmehl wrote:
- Original Message - From: "Erik Norgaard" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Paul Schmehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Grant Peel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: Ports

Taking an arbitrary post, it appears that make.conf is not always the 
best place since this sets options globally. But thanks, I have now 
learned how to get my ports compiled with support for a4 paper and 
_not_ letter :-)

While that is true, you can also set options for individual ports.
Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Could you please give some detail about setting options for individual 
ports in make.conf?  Maybe I missed something in 'man make.conf' or 'man 
ports' but everything seems to refer to global options.  The only 
example I've found is in man portmanager, but I'm still a little unsure 
about the how to do it properly.

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Re: wireless-to-wired bridging

[Reid Linnemann]

Not so much a Microsoft thing as a general networking thing. I would like
for netbios traffic to work correctly for windows file sharing/samba, as
well as broadcast LAN traffic for gaming and the like. I _could_ alter
bridge.c to always return a copy of the packet to the caller, but that
would just be a quick hack and I don't even know if it would work.

Dummynet works on the IP level, so it wouldn't solve my problem. Else
I'd jump all over it. =(

On 2/13/2005, "Lowell Gilbert"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>"Reid Linnemann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> I'm bridging the devices so that the wired and wireless nets will appear
>> to be on the same physical network to eachother.
>
>Well, yes, that's what bridging means.  Why do you want that?  [Is it
>a Microsoft thing?]
>
>> I think I was really tired when I wrote my original email.. so let me
>> rewrite my hypothesis:
>>
>> I am suspicious that, since the wireless interface on the BSD machine
>> operates in AP mode, if a wireless client wants to send a packet to
>> another wireless client, it must be first sent to the wireless interface
>> of the BSD machine, which should theoretically redirect the packet to
>> the appropriate host on the wireless net. In the wired network, a switch
>> handles this case automagically on the datalink layer before any
>> messages can hit the rl1 interface of the BSD router. I've looked at
>> the bridge code, and it seems that unless a packet is multicast or
>> broadcast it will be copied to the other bridged interfaces but not
>> returned to the original caller. Since the packets being sent from one
>> wireless client to another are not broadcast, I think that the bridge
>> module may be dumping them into the black hole of the wired LAN, and
>> they are not being processed and pumped back out through the ath
>> interface. Is this a correct assumption? Are there ways I can overcome
>> this problem?
>
>On a quick look, I think you might be on the right track.  The
>bridging code seems in a number of spots to be built specifically for
>Ethernet.  I have always maintained that bridging unlike media was a
>hack bound for problems...
>
>You might have more success using dummynet for bridging rather than
>trying to fix things in the protocol stack.
>
>Good luck.
>--
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Re: ppp_mode and ipfw

[Michael C. Shultz]

On Monday 14 February 2005 05:50 am, Hiram Abiff wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I've been trying to set up ipfw on my FreeBSD box
> which I use as a gateway to the Internet on my LAN.
>
> I compiled the kernel with options IPFIREWALL and IPDIVERT,
> edited rc.conf and some other files.
>
> Now I have 2 problems:
>
> 1.) Each time FreeBSD boots ppp automatically establishes
> a connection via ISDN. I do not want it to do that, I want
> the connection to be established when some of the other
> 2 boxes I have on my LAN run software that demands an
> internet connection.
>
> For Example, if I run firefox on my linux box, i want
> the FreeBSD box to receive the linux boxes request
> for a connection and dial my ISP via ISDN.
>
> In rc.conf I set ppp_mode="auto" because in ppp's man
> page it says that this is the correct mode for
> on-demand connection.
>
> 2.) Although I set up my firewall rules I cannot acces
> anything on the outside net anymore, and my other
> 2 boxes can't acces the Internet after setting aup the
> firewall. Also I cannot acces the squid proxy I set up
> on my FreeBSD box anymore. All of this was working
> before I set up the firewall. What am I doing wrong?
> Why can't I access the net outside my home LAN and
> why doesn't squid work anymore?
>
> Here's my firewall rule file:
>
> fwcmd="/sbin/ipfw"
>
>
> #Outside interface
> oif="tun0"
>
>
> #Inside interface
> iif="rl0"
>
>
> # Force a flushing of the current rules before reload
> $fwcmd -f flush
>
>
> #Check the state of all packets
> $fwcmd add check-state
>
>
> #Divert all packets through the tunnel interface.
> $fwcmd add divert natd all from any to any via oif

You should only be NAT'ing inbound packets here,
also the "$" is missing in oif:

$fwcmd add divert natd ip from any to any in via $oif
>
>
> # Allow all data from my network card and localhost
> $fwcmd add allow all from any to any via lo0
> $fwcmd add allow ip from any to any via $ii0
>
Is $ii0 a typo? you have iif="rl0" defined as your private NIC
did you mean to have:
$fwcmd add allow ip from any to any via $iif???

I see the same sort of errors in the rest, look it over carefully.

-Mike

>
> # Allow all connections that I initiate
> $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any out xmit oif setup
>
>
> # Once connections are made, allow them to stay open
> $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any via oif established
>
>
> # Everyone on the internet is allowed to connect
> $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 22 setup
> $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 21 setup
> $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 8080 setup
> $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 53 setup
> $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 4662 setup
> $fwcmd add allow udp from any to any 4672 setup
>
>
> # This sends a RESET to all ident packets
> $fwcmd add reset log tcp from any to any 113 in recv oif
>
>
> # Allow outgoing DNS queries ONLY to the specified servers
>
>
> $fwcmd add allow udp from any to 161.53.114.135 53 out xmit tun0
> $fwcmd add allow udp from any to 161.53.114.145 53 out xmit tun0
>
>
> # Allow them back in with the answers
>
>
> $fwcmd add allow udp from 161.53.114.135 53 to any in recv oif
> $fwcmd add allow udp from 161.53.114.145 53 to any in recv oif
>
>
> # Allow ICMP
> $fwcmd add 65435 allow icmp from any to any
>
>
> # Deny all the rest.
> #$fwcmd add 65435 deny log ip from any to any
>
>
>
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> the expression of sombre pride, of ruthless power,
> of craven terror -- of an intense and hopeless despair.
> Did he live his life again in every detail of desire,
> temptation, and surrender during that supreme moment
> of complete knowledge?"
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Re: Newbie: BIND conf "file not found" error

[Greg Barniskis]

aklist_061666 wrote:
Hi Lowell: From the command line it runs fine.
So, are you suggesting that the process doesn't have permissions to open 
the file? If so, wouldn't I see a permissions error message instead of 
file-not-found?

TIA, AK
- Original Message - From: "Lowell Gilbert" 
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To: "aklist_061666" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Newbie: BIND conf "file not found" error


"aklist_061666" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
One last question on configuring Named to run:
I'm able to start BIND from the command line with:
/usr/sbin/named -c /etc/named.conf
but when I modify my rc.conf file with:
named_enable="YES"
named_program="/usr/sbin/named"
named_flags="-u bind -c /etc/named.conf"
I get an error on startup:
Feb 11 14:47:53 ns2 named[275]: none:0 open: /etc/named.conf: file 
not found
Feb 11 14:47:53 ns2 named[275]: loading configruation: file not found
Feb 11 14:47:53 ns2 named[275]: exiting (due to fatal error)

what's wrong with my config-file path parameter in rc.conf?

Permisssions?  Try running it from the command line the same way you
do from the startup scripts. 
I think your problem is related to the fact that when you run named 
in a sandbox, the path to /etc/named.conf becomes relative to the 
sandbox. So when named flags indicate /etc/named.conf, that file 
must actually reside at /your/chroot/path/etc/named.conf.

(keep in mind that this advice is from dim memory of having this 
problem over a year ago, and it could be I'm just wrong, but I'm 
relatively sure about sandboxing having this problem ;-)

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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Chris]

Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:

The main difference between a desktop and a server is a server
needs beefy disk I/O or beefy CPU power or both, while a desktop
needs beefy video and can often make due with piss-poor disk I/O.

A desktop also needs a GUI, whereas a server is better off without it.

While a desktop is USUALLY optimized for the video, and saves
money by using poor I/O, and a server vis-versa, if you had unlimited
funds you could certainly put a hardware RAID card on your desktop
and have an equivalent to the server.

There's still the GUI issue, though.
That's a matter of point of view. If the user using FBSD uses a WM of 
his/her choice, and they are happy with the way if works - there isn't 
an issue.

As for me, I have FBSD 5.3 as a desktop and as servers here. Windows is 
completely out of the mix. My WM does exactly what I expect it to do.

I am able to use the ports to do the work needed. I am able to use Word 
and Excel file with zero issues.

My email is flawless (to me) and it does exactly what I wand and need it 
to do - so, there are many of us where a "GUI" under FBSD isn't an issue.

It's not fair to make a blanket comment as you have done. Now if it was 
phrased more like,

To me, there's still the GUI issue, though.
Then there is merit. You simply can't make a blanket comment. It does 
not apply.
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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Anthony Atkielski]

Ted Mittelstaedt writes:

> The main difference between a desktop and a server is a server
> needs beefy disk I/O or beefy CPU power or both, while a desktop
> needs beefy video and can often make due with piss-poor disk I/O.

A desktop also needs a GUI, whereas a server is better off without it.

> While a desktop is USUALLY optimized for the video, and saves
> money by using poor I/O, and a server vis-versa, if you had unlimited
> funds you could certainly put a hardware RAID card on your desktop
> and have an equivalent to the server.

There's still the GUI issue, though.

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Re: Choosing to install turns off laptop. HD is untouched.

[Anthony Atkielski]

Ted Mittelstaedt writes:

> Generally the MO in the past has been to use the el-cheapo-ist components
> possible, then when the OEM vendors discover some hardware bug or other
> shortfall, they have Microsoft help them to write around the problems
> with various patches, which are included in the OEM version of Windows.
>
> While this has (mostly) gone away for desktop systems, it is still going
> on fiercely with laptops.

One reason why I've always hated laptops.

> First of all HP purchased Compaq a while ago, and when the sale was
> completed they dumped the Netserver line, servers from them are
> now HP Proliants. (Proliant was the Compaq line)

Are they as good as their HP and Compaq predecessors?

> The Netservers and Proliants in general never had touble with FreeBSD.
> Considering they certified them with Solaris/Netware/etc. they had to
> be pretty standard.

Compaq Proliants had a lot of weird stuff running on the server, as I
recall.  As long as you stuck to the OEM versions it ran fine, but if
you tried to wipe the machine and install a vanilla OS, things went
wrong.

> Fine advice for low-end servers and desktops.  Terrible for high-end
> servers unless you really, really know what your doing, and you
> understand that your total cost will be more than if you just buy
> a turnkey server from someone.  And rather impossible for laptops.

Impossible for laptops, yes.  I assume anyone who needs a really
high-end server is going to know a lot about what he is doing, anyway
(much more so than the average user of a really high-end desktop).

Of course, if you can find a high-end server that meets your
requirements, there's no need to build one yourself.  I'd still prefer
that it be delivered without any OS, though, just to avoid the OEM
tweaking.

It's one thing to optimize server hardware and software for server use;
I'm all in favor of that.  But I think it should always be done with
off-the-shelf products that you can buy anywhere, otherwise you risk
being the captive of a specific vendor or vendors.  For every advantage
you might get from OEM tweaks, there is likely to be a corresponding
disadvantage.

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Re: how to set up a dual boot system

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> Does this mean I should start over, installing fbsd first and setting aside 
> a slice on the first disk (second slice say) for windows?

No, definitely not.

> If I do that, will windows be able to format that second slice, i.e. will 
> it see it as a partition?

No, that doesn't matter at all.

MS does not play friendly with any other system.
You have to install it first and then any other UNIX type system
or at least reinstall the MBR after installing MS - best to just
do MS first and then FreeBSD.

What happens is that MS will overwrite any boot information you 
install with FreeBSD or any third party booter (Grub, Gag, etc) 
and wipe it out.   Since the MS booter refuses to know anything
about any other system, you have to install it first, and then 
tell FreeBSD (or third party booter) to install over top of it.

You cannot get a Win-98 system to boot to FreeBSD or Linux or whatever.
It refuses to know anything except Win-98 no matter which order you do it.
You have to have the FreeBSD (or lilo, etc) in there last because it 
knows how to boot to everything.

So, make sure MS-98 or whatever is there and happy and then do the
FreeBSD install and tell it to put an MBR in the the first disk
as well as the others.   It will then work just fine (other than
maybe seeing some ??? in the boot menu - although MS-98 is old
enough and doesn't use NTFS so the FreeBSD MBR should know enough
to name it MSDOS).

Since you plan to put FreeBSD on a separate disk,  you don't have
to do anything about resizing any of the MS slice.

jerry

> 
> Marty
> 
> At 10:20 AM 2/14/2005, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> > >
> > > I must've goofed somehow. Left windows 98 on the primary master ide and
> > > installed fbsd 5.2 on the other two ide's; installation seemed to go well,
> > > and I installed the bootmgr on the first of the two ide's that fbsd is on.
> > > However when I reboot from the hard drive go right into windows.
> > >
> > > Where did I go wrong, and how do I fix it?
> >
> >The MBR has to be installed on the first disk found in the boot list
> >which will most likely be the one with Winxxx on it - your description
> >sounds like that and anyway MS doesn't like to be installed anywhere
> >else.   The MBR should also be on the other two disks, but definitely
> >must be on that first one.  Then you have to install a boot sector
> >on those two disks.The MS MBR doesn't know how to boot anything
> >but an MS system.
> >
> >Basically, when the system boots, it starts with the BIOS.  The BIOS
> >looks at its list of boot devices according to how it is configured
> >and begins to check them in order.   It tries to boot from the first
> >device in its list that has an MBR.   That MBR is what then may look
> >at the other disks for a bootable slice.   The MS MBR doesn't know how
> >to recognize any other type of system or boot anything but MS stuff.
> >So, you have to make sure that the first device that the BIOS finds
> >with an MBR has a FreeBSD (or other intelligent) MBR that knows how
> >to boot anything.
> >
> >The FreeBSD MBR will boot any of the systems with a standard boot sequence,
> >but it is a little limited in its ability to label them.  It has labels for
> >a few, such as FreeBSD, MS-DOS, some LINUXen.   But it doesn't have names
> >for many others such as MS with an NTFS slice.   It will boot any of these
> >including the ones it doesn't have names for, but it just puts up ??? for
> >the name in the boot menu of ones it doesn't have names for.   That is not
> >really a problem, though it can be confusing on a machine if you have
> >one FreeBSD slice and three bootable slices with system that say ??? for
> >the name.   You have to remember which ??? is which...
> >
> >For that reasonable reason plus other prejudices many people install
> >a third part MBR/loader such as Grub.   But, it isn't essential to
> >get things to work.
> >
> >The second thing you did wrong is installing F-5.2.   If you want 5.xxx
> >then install 5.3 (or at least 5.2.1).  FreeBSD 5.2 was almost immediately
> >supplanted because of problems - probably not related to your current
> >situation, but you don't want it anyway.
> >
> >jerry
> >
> > >
> > > Marty
> > >
> > >
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Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

[Anthony Atkielski]

Giorgos Keramidas writes:

> Hmmm, how?

There are several ways.  I'll leave speculation on that as an exercise
for the reader.

> Very little can be said about a black box system.

It's not a black box.  Much of it is pretty well documented, although
some of the documentation is now out of print, I think.

> Now, when this is compared to something that is documented, clearly and
> visibly, in an open source tree... we can see why the apparent stability
> of NT is worth very little :-(

Being documented and being readily accessible are two different things.
The whole of medicine is very well documented by just about any decent
public library, but that doesn't mean that having access to a library
can make you a doctor.

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Re: Why in the world you should have a vote: was RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchas NetBSD!!!

[Anthony Atkielski]

Peter N. M. Hansteen writes:

> copyright assignment isn't entirely doable in all jurisdictions, and
> beside the point.

Generally, commercial rights can always be assigned.  Moral rights often
cannot be assigned, but since they are practically worthless, this
usually isn't a problem.

> i assume you have been told about the 'published under a license'
> phenomenon.

You need written documentation of a license, signed by the copyright
holder.  You need this for every module or group of modules that is
copyrighted by any specific person or entity.

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Re: how to set up a dual boot system

[Marty Landman]

Does this mean I should start over, installing fbsd first and setting aside 
a slice on the first disk (second slice say) for windows?

If I do that, will windows be able to format that second slice, i.e. will 
it see it as a partition?

Marty
At 10:20 AM 2/14/2005, Jerry McAllister wrote:
>
> I must've goofed somehow. Left windows 98 on the primary master ide and
> installed fbsd 5.2 on the other two ide's; installation seemed to go well,
> and I installed the bootmgr on the first of the two ide's that fbsd is on.
> However when I reboot from the hard drive go right into windows.
>
> Where did I go wrong, and how do I fix it?
The MBR has to be installed on the first disk found in the boot list
which will most likely be the one with Winxxx on it - your description
sounds like that and anyway MS doesn't like to be installed anywhere
else.   The MBR should also be on the other two disks, but definitely
must be on that first one.  Then you have to install a boot sector
on those two disks.The MS MBR doesn't know how to boot anything
but an MS system.
Basically, when the system boots, it starts with the BIOS.  The BIOS
looks at its list of boot devices according to how it is configured
and begins to check them in order.   It tries to boot from the first
device in its list that has an MBR.   That MBR is what then may look
at the other disks for a bootable slice.   The MS MBR doesn't know how
to recognize any other type of system or boot anything but MS stuff.
So, you have to make sure that the first device that the BIOS finds
with an MBR has a FreeBSD (or other intelligent) MBR that knows how
to boot anything.
The FreeBSD MBR will boot any of the systems with a standard boot sequence,
but it is a little limited in its ability to label them.  It has labels for
a few, such as FreeBSD, MS-DOS, some LINUXen.   But it doesn't have names
for many others such as MS with an NTFS slice.   It will boot any of these
including the ones it doesn't have names for, but it just puts up ??? for
the name in the boot menu of ones it doesn't have names for.   That is not
really a problem, though it can be confusing on a machine if you have
one FreeBSD slice and three bootable slices with system that say ??? for
the name.   You have to remember which ??? is which...
For that reasonable reason plus other prejudices many people install
a third part MBR/loader such as Grub.   But, it isn't essential to
get things to work.
The second thing you did wrong is installing F-5.2.   If you want 5.xxx
then install 5.3 (or at least 5.2.1).  FreeBSD 5.2 was almost immediately
supplanted because of problems - probably not related to your current
situation, but you don't want it anyway.
jerry
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Re: Freebsd vs. linux

[Jason Stewart]

On 12/02/05 19:54 -0800, Loren M. Lang wrote:
> 
> What do you do with ham radio on freebsd?  I haven't looked into it
> much, but it seems that there isn't nearly as many programs/device
> drivers for  freebsd as linux has.  I like how debian actually has a ham
> radio section for it.  I'd like to try out some of the digital radio
> stuff like AX.25
>

Could be because Mr. Alan cox himself wrote much of the kernel space
Ham radio software for Linux. I could be wrong but I don't see a major
push by any one influential FreeBSD kernel hacker to get Ham stuff in
the kernel.

Jason
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Re: remove cpu in freebsd

[Jeremy Faulkner]

Snopy Land wrote:
Hi,
I am a newbie to freebsd, I need to remove one cpu from my freebsd
(5.2.1-release version) server.
Do I need to recompile my kernel? If yes, any hints?
Or I can just shutdown, remove the cpu and reboot the machine ?
Thanks a lot.
shutdown, remove, boot.
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Re: how to set up a dual boot system

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> I must've goofed somehow. Left windows 98 on the primary master ide and 
> installed fbsd 5.2 on the other two ide's; installation seemed to go well, 
> and I installed the bootmgr on the first of the two ide's that fbsd is on. 
> However when I reboot from the hard drive go right into windows.
> 
> Where did I go wrong, and how do I fix it?

The MBR has to be installed on the first disk found in the boot list
which will most likely be the one with Winxxx on it - your description
sounds like that and anyway MS doesn't like to be installed anywhere
else.   The MBR should also be on the other two disks, but definitely
must be on that first one.  Then you have to install a boot sector
on those two disks.The MS MBR doesn't know how to boot anything
but an MS system.

Basically, when the system boots, it starts with the BIOS.  The BIOS
looks at its list of boot devices according to how it is configured
and begins to check them in order.   It tries to boot from the first
device in its list that has an MBR.   That MBR is what then may look
at the other disks for a bootable slice.   The MS MBR doesn't know how
to recognize any other type of system or boot anything but MS stuff.
So, you have to make sure that the first device that the BIOS finds
with an MBR has a FreeBSD (or other intelligent) MBR that knows how
to boot anything.   

The FreeBSD MBR will boot any of the systems with a standard boot sequence, 
but it is a little limited in its ability to label them.  It has labels for
a few, such as FreeBSD, MS-DOS, some LINUXen.   But it doesn't have names 
for many others such as MS with an NTFS slice.   It will boot any of these
including the ones it doesn't have names for, but it just puts up ??? for 
the name in the boot menu of ones it doesn't have names for.   That is not
really a problem, though it can be confusing on a machine if you have
one FreeBSD slice and three bootable slices with system that say ??? for
the name.   You have to remember which ??? is which...

For that reasonable reason plus other prejudices many people install
a third part MBR/loader such as Grub.   But, it isn't essential to
get things to work.

The second thing you did wrong is installing F-5.2.   If you want 5.xxx
then install 5.3 (or at least 5.2.1).  FreeBSD 5.2 was almost immediately
supplanted because of problems - probably not related to your current
situation, but you don't want it anyway.

jerry

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dspam-3.2.6

[Olga Zenkova]

Hi!
Can't compile dspam-3.2.6 on FreeBSD-4.10. I mark
option "MYSQL50" in the options window and then get:
"You can use one and only one database back-end at
once". Why?

Thanks,
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ATI 9000 IGP

[Cristian Teodorescu]

Hello, 

I have a Acer Travelmate 2000 with ATI 9000 IGP graphic card due to
this all devices from computer are seen as produced by ATI inclusive
soud card that is a Realtek ALS650 AC'97.

Currently I am using Freebsd 5.2.1, everything works except for sound.
I think all it need to be modified is some PCI id in the sound
subsystem but I did not managed to find where realtek driver is. The
card id for sound id 0x41431002 as reported by pciconf -lv. Can
anybody tell me where i can find the realtek driver in order to fix
it?

Any help will be aprecieted. 
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Re: Newbie: BIND conf "file not found" error

[aklist_061666]

Hi Lowell: From the command line it runs fine.
So, are you suggesting that the process doesn't have permissions to open the 
file? If so, wouldn't I see a permissions error message instead of 
file-not-found?

TIA, AK
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From: "Lowell Gilbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "aklist_061666" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Newbie: BIND conf "file not found" error


"aklist_061666" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
One last question on configuring Named to run:
I'm able to start BIND from the command line with:
/usr/sbin/named -c /etc/named.conf
but when I modify my rc.conf file with:
named_enable="YES"
named_program="/usr/sbin/named"
named_flags="-u bind -c /etc/named.conf"
I get an error on startup:
Feb 11 14:47:53 ns2 named[275]: none:0 open: /etc/named.conf: file not 
found
Feb 11 14:47:53 ns2 named[275]: loading configruation: file not found
Feb 11 14:47:53 ns2 named[275]: exiting (due to fatal error)

what's wrong with my config-file path parameter in rc.conf?
Permisssions?  Try running it from the command line the same way you
do from the startup scripts. 
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Re: live mirroring

[David Robillard]

> Hi all,
> 
> I have a question. I want to set-up a site on 3 identical FreeBSD 
> servers, using Round Robin to distribute the load.
> 
> The site will be running some .cgi and .php scripts and when those 
> scripts make changes to the configuration files of the sites, they 
> need to be spread automatically to the other two servers. Also when 
> files are uploaded to one server, I need them to automatically upload 
> to the other servers to.
> 
> What is the best program to do this? Or am I looking at it the wrong 
> way and should I do it different?

Take a look at cfengine: http://www.cfengine.org/  (don't mind the ugly
web page).
This program is used at many very large installations to make sure every
machine
has the right configuration files. Clients query a master at each
interval to check
if their configuration has changed. Thus instead of having to log on to
each machines
to change the configs (which is error prone, not to mention long and
painfull), 
you simply change the file on the master and let it distribute itself.

It's relatively easy to setup and works very well.

Cheers,

David


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Re: how to set up a dual boot system

[Marty Landman]

At 10:22 PM 2/13/2005, Thomas Foster wrote:
Install the bootloader to sector 0 of the first drive in the system.. you 
can also use GRUB or GAG
I don't see where that is an option. IOW I first installed windows 98 on 
the entire first ide - of three, 4 gb, 4 gb, & 6 gb. Then when I formatted 
for fbsd during the install allocated the second and third ide's and set up 
the fbsd bootloader for the second ide which contains /, and a normal mbr 
on the third.

A bit confused now.
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