Can't remove files.

2005-02-26 Thread Perttu Laine
Hello!

I can't do make clean on ports because it cannot remove
/usr/ports/databases/php5-sqlite/work directory or any directories
under it. All directories are empty, but rm -rf reports Directory not
empty for them. ls -lo says - for all flags... This happened after
crash while doing make clean on ports. security log says:

-cut-
 Limiting closed port RST response from 223 to 200 packets/sec
 ad5: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (2 retries left) LBA=382096515
 ad5: WARNING - removed from configuration
 ata2-slave: FAILURE - READ_DMA timed out
 initiate_write_filepage: already started
 initiate_write_filepage: already started
 ... lots of these
 initiate_write_filepage: already started
 initiate_write_filepage: already started
 panic: initiate_write_inodeblock_ufs2: already started
 Uptime: 33d6h2m14s
 Cannot dump. No dump device defined.
-cut-

And in the end of the log is this too:

-cut-
 ad5: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (2 retries left) LBA=382096515
 ad5: FAILURE - READ_DMA timed out
-cut- 

So. What can be done here?

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Re: Can't remove files.

2005-02-26 Thread Rob
Perttu Laine wrote:
ad5: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (2 retries left)
 LBA=382096515
ad5: FAILURE - READ_DMA timed out

 So. What can be done here?

Typical 5.3 problem/bug.

Try adding following line to /boot/loader.conf:

 hw.ata.ata_dma=0

and reboot.

This may force the harddisk to operate in slow PIO4
mode, but at least without DMA TIMEOUTs and DMA
FAILUREs.

Rob.




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Re: cd copy

2005-02-26 Thread Dick Hoogendijk
On 25 Feb Simon Dick wrote:
 On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:49:31 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:27:26 +0100
  Dick Hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   What is the easiest way to copy a complete cdrom with
   freebsd-4.11?  Normally I use burncd to burn an iso file to a new
   cdr, but I never copied a complete cdrom to cdr under freebsd. My
   windows machines are down and I need the copy soon. So please
   forgive me if I'm ignorant.  Hope the answer is easy ;-)
  
  you could try :
  
  dd if=/dev/acd0 of=~/my_cd_image
  and then use burncd to burn that onto cdrom
 
 Try dd if=/dev/acd0 of=~/my_cd_image bs=2048 for data CDs, it helps :)

I will try this option. The bs thing sounds right ;-) Though I feel
it's a bad thing not to be able to duplicate a cdrom in an easy way.
I'll check out cdrdao (mentioned elsewhere) too. I know I can mount the
cdrom and use mkisofs, but that will not work for bootable CD's. I just
want to duplicate some bootable CD's in an easy way. So I guess I check
out cdrdao and that kde prog.

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Re: Extracting an img file

2005-02-26 Thread Roland Smith
On Sat, Feb 26, 2005 at 04:32:03PM +1000, Warren wrote:

 How do i extract the contents of an img file so i can view // empty
 the contents out?  without burning due to it being a 3.1gig img file
 and i got no DVD Burner.

You mean an ISO9660 image? Use an md(4) device. See §16.12.2 of the handbook.

First create a file-backed md device:

# mdconfig -a -t vnode -f diskimage -u 0

Then you mount it somewhere:

# mount -t cd9660 /dev/md0 /mnt

When you are done with it, unmount the filesystem and then detach the md
device:

# umount /mnt
# mdconfig -d -u 0

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Re: Read error on DVD-ROM

2005-02-26 Thread Bachelier Vincent
Ok I have found the solution
just change the cdrom cable to hdd cable and it work fine !
see ya
Le Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 07:42:47AM +0100, Bachelier Vincent a écrit:
 From: Bachelier Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:42:47 +0100
 Subject: Read error on DVD-ROM
 
 Hi,
 I have a problem with my dvd-rom
 
 here my dmesg:
 ad0: 117246MB Maxtor 6Y120L0/YAR41BW0 [238216/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA133
 ad1: 76345MB MAXTOR 6L080J4/A93.0500 [155114/16/63] at ata0-slave UDMA133
 acd0: CDRW TDK CDRW241040B/57S7 at ata1-master UDMA33
 acd1: DVDROM Pioneer DVD-ROM ATAPIModel DVD-106S 0122/E1.22 at ata1-slave 
 UDMA66
 ad4: 70911MB WDC WD740GD-00FLA0/21.08U21 [144073/16/63] at ata2-master 
 SATA150
 ugen0: at uhub0 port 1 (addr 2) disconnected
 ugen0: detached
 ugen0: Logitech Camera, rev 1.10/1.00, addr 2
 cd0 at ata1 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
 cd0: TDK CDRW241040B 57S7 Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device
 cd0: 33.000MB/s transfers
 cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present
 cd1 at ata1 bus 0 target 1 lun 0
 cd1: PIONEER DVD-ROM DVD-106 1.22 Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device
 cd1: 66.000MB/s transfers
 cd1: cd present [54578 x 2048 byte records]
 
 and here the error when I try to copy a file from dvdrom to my hdd
 
 cp iso.zfs ..
 cp: iso.zfs: Input/output error
 
 and the dmesg:
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 0 0 0 20 0 0 4 0
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): HARDWARE FAILURE asc:8,3
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Logical unit communication crc error (ultra-dma/32)
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Retrying Command (per Sense Data)
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 0 0 0 20 0 0 4 0
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): HARDWARE FAILURE asc:8,3
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Logical unit communication crc error (ultra-dma/32)
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Retrying Command (per Sense Data)
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 0 0 0 20 0 0 4 0
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): HARDWARE FAILURE asc:8,3
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Logical unit communication crc error (ultra-dma/32)
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Retrying Command (per Sense Data)
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 0 0 0 20 0 0 4 0
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): HARDWARE FAILURE asc:8,3
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Logical unit communication crc error (ultra-dma/32)
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Retrying Command (per Sense Data)
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 0 0 0 20 0 0 4 0
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): HARDWARE FAILURE asc:8,3
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Logical unit communication crc error (ultra-dma/32)
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Retries Exhausted
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): cddone: got error 0x5 back
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 0 0 0 74 0 0 20 0
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): HARDWARE FAILURE asc:8,3
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Logical unit communication crc error (ultra-dma/32)
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Retrying Command (per Sense Data)
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 0 0 0 74 0 0 20 0
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): HARDWARE FAILURE asc:8,3
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Logical unit communication crc error (ultra-dma/32)
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Retrying Command (per Sense Data)
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 0 0 0 74 0 0 20 0
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): HARDWARE FAILURE asc:8,3
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Logical unit communication crc error (ultra-dma/32)
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Retrying Command (per Sense Data)
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 0 0 0 74 0 0 20 0
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): HARDWARE FAILURE asc:8,3
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Logical unit communication crc error (ultra-dma/32)
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Retrying Command (per Sense Data)
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 0 0 0 74 0 0 20 0
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): HARDWARE FAILURE asc:8,3
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Logical unit communication crc error (ultra-dma/32)
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Retries Exhausted
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): cddone: got error 0x5 back
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 0 0 0 74 0 0 1f 0
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): HARDWARE FAILURE asc:8,3
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Logical unit communication crc error (ultra-dma/32)
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): Retrying Command (per Sense Data)
 (cd1:ata1:0:1:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 0 0 

RE: Toshiba Satellite laptop

2005-02-26 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Do you just want a bigger disk?

If so, then go for it - although if the disk is buried in the
laptop, it's worth it to pay someone else to install it as you
aren't going to have the tools to take it apart, nor are you going
to have the instructions on how to get it apart.

Ted

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 Subject: Toshiba Satellite laptop
 
 
 I was thinking of getting a spare hard disk for a Toshiba Satellite
 laptop (Pentium 3 with 256MB).  Does anyone have any good or bad
 experiences?  It runs Knoppix perfectly well.
 
 
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XF86Config problem

2005-02-26 Thread kalin mintchev

hi...

problem with XF86Config. i did the configuration a few times. and tried
different versions of the file...

i get:
(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have usable configuration.

fatal error: no screens found...

this is on an old amd machine with 4.10 on it and the video card is
generic on the motherboard itself. the motherboard is K7SEM and with a
simple VGA connector...



thanks



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RE: Lexmark X1100 printer

2005-02-26 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roland Smith
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 12:03 PM
 To: Ted Mittelstaedt
 Cc: Gerry Freymann; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: Re: Lexmark X1100 printer


 On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 10:53:01PM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

  The problem is that the cheap color inkjets on the market are all
  winprinters these days.  So you have to go there if you want to print
  color.

 Over the years I've had a couple of inkjet printers, starting with a
 Deskjet 500. All of them had trouble with ink cartridges drying out
 after a couple of weeks non-use.

This is a thing of the past with the new Epson inkjets that use the
durabrite
ink.

 And with that ink being rediculously
 expensive, I decided not to bother with inktjets anymore. I had a
 Laserjet 5L for about 6 years, I think. It was still on the
 original toner
 cassette when I gave it to a friend.


Those are rated something around 5000 prints.  I go through that in
a year and a half on my HP 4+

 Another department of a company I used to work for designed and
 manufactured parts for (consumer) inkjet printers for HP and
 others. According to the people who worked there, those printers were
 definitely not engineered to last.


This really depends on the printer.  If your talking the HP Deskjets 5xx
that whole 5xx model line - then yes.  If your talking the earlier Epson
ESC printers, then no.  The big problem with those in fact was that they
were designed to be used in business that was printing all the time and
without enough printing they would dry up, and if that happened since the
print head was separate from the ink, it would ruin the printer.  But,
they worked forever as long as you kept them printing.

This also wasn't true for the HP deskjet 1600 as that was also an
industrial
printer - it took HP printserver cards, and also came with a postscript
option.

Today though things have changed a lot - HP and the other printer
manufacturers have definite lines that are business and that are
consumer, and inkjets are in both lines.

 As for winprinters, I decided not to buy any printer if it
 doesn't understand
 postscript. Life's too short to go hunting after obscure drivers.


To all my other FreeBSD systems, the Epson C84 IS a color Postscript
printer.  It's only a winprinter to the FreeBSD system that is doing the
conversion from Postscript to Epsonspeak.

 And color laserprinters are coming down in price. I recently bought a
 Color Laserjet 2550L for ¤ 439,-. Installing it amounted to feeding the
 ppd file to CUPS. And it works every time. The colour output might not
 be up to six-colour inkjet with special photo paper, but It Works For
 Me.  If it lasts as long and trouble-free as my old 6L, I consider it
 money well-spent.

That's a 600 dpi print engine.  And the 5000 page print at 5% for each
cartridge means 250 pages at 100% coverage per cartridge.  Thus, if your
thinking of printing pictures - forget it.  You might get 500-1000 pages
of pictures then all 3 color cartridges will be exhausted, and that's
a $300 bill to replace them all.

These kinds of color laserjets are good for businesses where they are
printing graphs and reports that make use of color.  The image quality
isn't really good enough for photo or high quality picture and the
cost per page for printing pictures is pretty high.  By contrast the
HP 1200 inkjet is a 1200 dpi printer.  Ink cartridges are rated at 1750
pages at 5% and cost $34 per cartridge, which puts them comparable to
the HP color laserjet cartridges in price.  The printer itself is
less than half the cost of the 2550L.

Ted

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Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?

2005-02-26 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Giorgos Keramidas writes:

 Not necessarily true all the time.  Otherwise, why isn't everyone still
 using Microsoft Word 2.x or the first version of Outlook Express?

A great many people still are.  Some people are still using MS-DOS.

For much of the population, a computer that works is all they need.
They don't care if anything on the machine ever gets upgraded at all,
and they will change to something new only if the existing machine
breaks.

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Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread Anthony Atkielski
I'm currently struggling with the Xfce environment and I'd like to
install Firefox, but neither the Firefox site nor anywhere else I've
looked thus far has comprehensive installation instructions for the
product on FreeBSD (or any flavor of UNIX, apparently). Is there a page
somewhere that describes how it is done? The installer is complaining
about a library that I don't have (libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0), even though I
thought I had everything I needed.

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Re: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread Kent Stewart
On Saturday 26 February 2005 03:41 am, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
 I'm currently struggling with the Xfce environment and I'd like to
 install Firefox, but neither the Firefox site nor anywhere else I've
 looked thus far has comprehensive installation instructions for the
 product on FreeBSD (or any flavor of UNIX, apparently). Is there a
 page somewhere that describes how it is done? The installer is
 complaining about a library that I don't have (libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0),
 even though I thought I had everything I needed.

It appears to be built as a compat lib. Locate places it in
/usr/compat/linux/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0

Kent

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Re: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread markzero
 I'm currently struggling with the Xfce environment and I'd like to
 install Firefox, but neither the Firefox site nor anywhere else I've
 looked thus far has comprehensive installation instructions for the
 product on FreeBSD (or any flavor of UNIX, apparently). Is there a page
 somewhere that describes how it is done? The installer is complaining
 about a library that I don't have (libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0), even though I
 thought I had everything I needed.
 
 -- 
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# pkg-add -r firefox

or

# cd /usr/ports/www/firefox  make install clean distclean

That's what ports and packages are there for, after all.

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Re: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:41:52 +0100
Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm currently struggling with the Xfce environment and I'd like to
 install Firefox, but neither the Firefox site nor anywhere else I've
 looked thus far has comprehensive installation instructions for the
 product on FreeBSD (or any flavor of UNIX, apparently).


1) if you want to use the plain FreeBSD-version you have basically 2
(easy) options :
a) if you're sticking to RELEASE, a pkg_add -r firefox should work
b) cd /usr/ports/www/firefox/ ; make install clean

2) if you want to use the linux-version, check the /usr/ports/www/
linux-firefox port

if you've never used the ports, make sure to read this :
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html
and /usr/ports/UPDATING

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Re: RELENG_5 installworld fails

2005-02-26 Thread Velko Ivanov
So, you need to supply more info. Are you setting any special parameters 
in /etc/make.conf? Did you follow UPDATING as far as the sequence of 
buildworld, [build/install]kernel, boot to single user mode and do the 
installworld? Before this build, when did you last update your system?

This points to /etc/make.conf:
CPUTYPE=p3
CFLAGS= -O -pipe -msse -mmmx
COPTFLAGS= -O -pipe -msse -mmmx
NO_BIND=true
BOOTWAIT=0
It is a dual PIII Xeon, 5.3-RELEASE freshly installed - installing cvsup 
and updating to RELENG_5 was the first thing I did.
The procedure in UPDATING is followed strictly.
I have done many installations on different machines and never had 
trouble with optimizations in make.conf (except when I specified the 
wrong CPU once :)).
I just can't link problems with GCC optimization flags, to the fact that 
the path to uuencode is not set in a Makefile in some directory.
I was just curious, thanks for the reply.

Regards,
Velko Ivanov
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RE: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?

2005-02-26 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Atkielski
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:48 AM
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?


 Ted Mittelstaedt writes:

  Your missing the point.  It's far more cost-effective for a
 business to
  not hire a bunch of whiners in the first place.

 They aren't whiners.  It's perfectly logical for them to want to work
 with software for which they are already trained,

No, it isn't.  When they are punching my clock they work the way I tell
them to.  That is why -I- am paying -them-.  If they want to work their
own way they are welcome to start their own business and work for
themselves
however way they want.

 and it's equally
 logical for a company to let them work with software for which they are
 already trained.  There's no reason at all to retrain them on something
 completely different.


For starters, as I already indicated, expectation levels are different
for
different levels of employees.  Someone who is getting paid a lot of
money
should not be dependent on the company training them, they should take
responsibility for their own training.  If they go to work for the
company
and the company uses Brand X software, well then they know this when they
go to work for the company and they better take responsibility for
training
themselves using the manuals, or finding a class somewhere and expensing
it to the company.  But to expect that I'm going to go out and arrainge
training and schedule these people is rediculous.  These are grown people
they can arrainge their own schedules and training.  For God's sake, we
pay their expenses, the least they can do is set it up for themselves.

Prior training that an employee brings to the company may or may not have
value to the company.  Quite obviously, companies try to make an effort
to hire people who have some prior training that is useful.  But, with
the
wide variety of office equipment and other technical systems these days,
it is much more important to hire someone who has the QUALITIES that will
help your business.  For example, I go to hire a salesman, I'm looking
for someone who has a good rapport with people and who can close a deal.
I really don't give a crap if he knows Excel or not, and I am certainly
not going to make a hiring decision that would take that into account.
The miniscule amount of money it would cost for him to take a training
class in Excel would be paid back 100fold if he has the magic of sales
in him.

  But I don't expect this kind of whining from someone I hire at $30K a
  year to actually do some real clerical work that requires some
  responsibility, and I am not going to stand for it for the $60K and
  above grown up adult that I hire for a managerial or ops position or
  some such.

 I guess you can spend another $60K on training them to use something
 else and hope they don't leave until you amortize that additional
 expense (if you ever do).  But that doesn't seem to make very good
 business sense.


It actually makes a lot of business sense depending on what they are
doing.  If I am hiring a financial controller who is responsible for
a 10 million a year operating cost, if I have a system that tracks
that 10 million better than any of my competitors systems track their
10 million for their operating costs, then $60K is cheap insurance
to prevent a mistake that might cost a million.

Most of the big company financial systems, no matter WHAT platform they
are
built on, are quite complex, so your going to spend the same money
training
them on either a MS system or a UNIX system.

But in any case, $60K for training is a rediculous figure to begin
with.  Very little Microsoft or Sun desktop training that is out there
costs
anywhere near this amount, and what does cost this takes place in Vegas
or Hawaii, and is effectively a way for a company to pay for someone's
vacation without it showing up as income to them, and allowing it to be
written off for the company.

  Unfortunately, there's still too many upper managers in
 business today
  who came of age before the computer became integrated into business,
  and chose to be lazy and not learn how to use them, and as a result
  today cannot themselves operate the things, so it is not possible for
  them to hold their employees to any kind of standard in this area.

 They already _know_ how to use computers; they just aren't
 familiar with
 the software that you personally prefer.  They know the most popular
 software on the market and how to use it; they can get their work done
 with that software alone, without any need for anything else.

No, Anthony, no.  I'm not talking about upper managers that know
Windows and Office applications well and don't know UNIX applications.

When I said there's too many that cannot operate the things that is
exactly what I meant.

 There is
 no reason for them to look elsewhere for software, nor is there any

RE: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?

2005-02-26 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony
 Atkielski
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:49 AM
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?


 Ted Mittelstaedt writes:

  That might be true but what is also true is that when such managers
  win, they win very very big.

 Big risk, big potential return.  But not everyone wants to gamble.

  So big that in the sum total of things, their wins bring in far more
  money to the company than anything that the conservative managers do.

 Sorry, but I really don't see how replacing Windows with an open-source
 solution or anything of that nature would bring in far more
 money to any
 company.


I do.  For one thing you can just stop with the site licensing fees.
For another you can lay off half your IT staff that you hired to spend
their days running around and cleaning viruses and trojans off the
systems that get past the AV filters.  And this is to say nothing of
now you don't have your IT staff running around putting machines back
to rights because the employee has brought a disk of something in from
the outside, and tried installing it and it blew her system.

Why do you think that Gates announced a few weeks ago that Windows
AntiSpyware will be free after the beta period?  Do you think that the
large corporate customers all are sitting around wondering why everyone
else is so upset over the amount of lost time consumed by viruses?

  Open Source/FreeBSD isn't playing it safe, but it isn't a
 reckless risk
  either.

 Technically it's not much of a risk, but politically and in business
 terms it can be a considerable risk.


Provide support for this statement.

Ted

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RE: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?

2005-02-26 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chad Leigh --
 Shire.Net LLC
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:06 PM
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?



 Give me a break.  Most all (excepting a few power users or financial
 analysts) users of Office in corporate work use about 2% (or
 some small
 amount) of the features of Office and have never received formal
 training.  They write a few memos in Word, and a few
 incidental uses of
 perhaps PowerPoint or Excel.  They are self taught.  They use Office
 through institutional inertia.  I have worked in both large and small
 organizations and this is true across the board.  Very few people have
 had specialized training using MS Office, and very few people use it
 for more than writing memos, simple spreadsheets of their budget
 (adding up stuff), etc.  If they were given some other program that
 they could write memos with, and were told to use it, they would.


This happens quite a lot with Lotus Notes deployments, as a matter of
fact.

 There are no massive costs involved in retraining the major mass of
 employees. There may be a couple of power users who use Office to a
 large percentage of its capabilities and who would need to be
 retrained.


Or not.  To a large company with, say, 2000 employees, if 20 of them
are in the users of Office to a large percentage of it's capabilities
category, then let 'em alone.  It's far worth it to get the other 99%
of the users switched over.

What needs to change in these organizations is the tail wagging the
dog situation.  To many of these organizations have 20 power users
who aren't in the IT group and yet think they should be able to set
policy for the other 1,980 employees, and these people propagandize
the high-level managers who are so hidebound they never touch a PC,
into setting Orafice as the standard.

Then 6 months later the CEO who was asleep at the switch is demanding
to know why the IT budget went over by a half million for the year.

Ted

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RE: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 4:02 AM
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: Re: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?
 
 
 On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:41:52 +0100
 Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'm currently struggling with the Xfce environment and I'd like to
  install Firefox, but neither the Firefox site nor anywhere else I've
  looked thus far has comprehensive installation instructions for the
  product on FreeBSD (or any flavor of UNIX, apparently).
 
 
 1) if you want to use the plain FreeBSD-version you have basically 2
 (easy) options :
 a) if you're sticking to RELEASE, a pkg_add -r firefox should work
 b) cd /usr/ports/www/firefox/ ; make install clean
 

Do a portupgrade first.  Firefox depends on a lot of stuff.

 2) if you want to use the linux-version, check the /usr/ports/www/
 linux-firefox port


You don't want to use this version.  It's slower.

Ted
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Re: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread Anthony Atkielski
markzero writes:

 # pkg-add -r firefox

I tried that, and it works, but the version installed is a preview
version that's well behind the current 1.0.1.  And even after installing
it from the ports, I still can't install the most recent version; it
keeps complaining about that missing module.

 That's what ports and packages are there for, after all.

Yes, but the versions are not always current.  I've used the ports to
install most of the stuff, as long as the version numbers were recent.

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Re: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Kent Stewart writes:

 It appears to be built as a compat lib. Locate places it in
 /usr/compat/linux/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0

It's not there on my system.  I did install Linux compatibility, and the
directory is there and filled with files, but that specific file is not
present.  How do I put it there?

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Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?

2005-02-26 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:

 For one thing you can just stop with the site licensing fees.

Licensing fees aren't necessarily the largest or even a significant
expense for a business.

 For another you can lay off half your IT staff that you hired to spend
 their days running around and cleaning viruses and trojans off the
 systems that get past the AV filters.

No, you have to keep them and hire more to keep the open-source stuff
running, since it is less likely to work on unusual configurations and
there is no support for it.

With open source you save the licensing fees, but you must pay out at
least as much (in most cases) for qualified IT staff to support the open
source, because there is no formal support for it and it is far less
likely to work out of the box on all the configurations you might wish
to use.

I'm looking at proof of this right now.  Windows NT installed on this HP
Vectra without a hitch, and ran flawlessly on the machine for eight
years.  FreeBSD installed okay, but it won't boot (unless I boot from
the installation diskettes and then switch to the hard drives), and it
generates SCSI errors continually, occasionally terminating in a panic.
And when I tried Mandrake Linux, it wouldn't install at all--it died
after the first screen.

Multiple this by 30,000 seats, and you begin to see the problem.

 And this is to say nothing of now you don't have your IT staff running
 around putting machines back to rights because the employee has
 brought a disk of something in from the outside, and tried installing
 it and it blew her system.

You'll have that problem no matter what you install on the machine,
particularly if you have an OS installed that cannot be locked down
against local users.

 Why do you think that Gates announced a few weeks ago that Windows
 AntiSpyware will be free after the beta period?

I don't know.

 Do you think that the large corporate customers all are sitting around
 wondering why everyone else is so upset over the amount of lost time
 consumed by viruses?

Large corporate customers that don't want problems lock down their
machines.

However, I'll grant that if a large enterprise truly wants a
problem-free desktop, it might be better off installing Linux or UNIX.
But to make this work it would have to customize the OS a lot so that
the end user can do absolutely nothing beyond what the system allows him
to do.  For example, you could build and configure it to support a few
key corporate applications, and nothing else.  By carefully configuring
and building the OS, you can make it impossible for users to add
anything new without completely reinstalling a different OS.

This essentially turns PCs into workstations or terminals, but in many
organizations, that's exactly what one needs.

This is not an out-of-the-box installation, though.  You'd have to
develop your own tweaked version of the software and install it
specifically on certain hardware configurations for which it had been
customized.  This could cause problems with hardware acquisition since
it requires a great deal of central control.

This can be done with Windows, but it requires a lot of work up front,
and the option of customizing the OS to completely exclude certain
functionalities isn't there.

 Provide support for this statement.

That's the key word: support.  For open source, there isn't any.  Many
companies cannot afford to use unsupported products, even if they are
free.

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Re: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:

 Do a portupgrade first.  Firefox depends on a lot of stuff.

I don't have the ports on the local machine.  I go directly to the FTP
server each time I install something.  Shouldn't they all be up to date
in that case?

The only Firefox version I see is 0.9, even though the current one is
1.0.1.

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Re: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread Chris
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:

Do a portupgrade first.  Firefox depends on a lot of stuff.

I don't have the ports on the local machine.  I go directly to the FTP
server each time I install something.  Shouldn't they all be up to date
in that case?
The only Firefox version I see is 0.9, even though the current one is
1.0.1.
This is simple. As someone has pointed out before, you need cvsup the 
ports tree then a portupgrade. Yes, after the cvsup and portupgrade you 
will have 1.0.1

Also note, that even after a cvsup and portupgrade, you will not always 
have the latest, greatest version of a port. It all depends on the 
maintainer of the port and how much time they have to do the work etc, 
etc, etc.

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must be done at the same time they will require the
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Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?

2005-02-26 Thread Jon Drews
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:12:38 +0100, Anthony Atkielski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
 
  For one thing you can just stop with the site licensing fees.
 
 Licensing fees aren't necessarily the largest or even a significant
 expense for a business.

Ted and others:

 This guy is a troll plain and simple. From his website:
http://www.atkielski.com/inlink.php?/main/TechnicalFAQ.html
FreeBSD currently is a winning solution for servers from a technical
standpoint. Unfortunately, FreeBSD is unsupported, and trying to deal
with other users of the OS or the people who control it is a
nightmarelike the Linux community, they are fanatically devoted to
their OS and will tolerate no differences of opinion, or even any
questions that they find less than gushingly complimentary of the
system.


 If you think the FreeBSD community is a nightmare then why are you
sticking around except to stir up strife ?




  For another you can lay off half your IT staff that you hired to spend
  their days running around and cleaning viruses and trojans off the
  systems that get past the AV filters.
 
 No, you have to keep them and hire more to keep the open-source stuff
 running, since it is less likely to work on unusual configurations and
 there is no support for it.
 
 With open source you save the licensing fees, but you must pay out at
 least as much (in most cases) for qualified IT staff to support the open
 source, because there is no formal support for it and it is far less
 likely to work out of the box on all the configurations you might wish
 to use.
 
 I'm looking at proof of this right now.  Windows NT installed on this HP
 Vectra without a hitch, and ran flawlessly on the machine for eight
 years.  FreeBSD installed okay, but it won't boot (unless I boot from
 the installation diskettes and then switch to the hard drives), and it
 generates SCSI errors continually, occasionally terminating in a panic.
 And when I tried Mandrake Linux, it wouldn't install at all--it died
 after the first screen.
 
 Multiple this by 30,000 seats, and you begin to see the problem.
 
  And this is to say nothing of now you don't have your IT staff running
  around putting machines back to rights because the employee has
  brought a disk of something in from the outside, and tried installing
  it and it blew her system.
 
 You'll have that problem no matter what you install on the machine,
 particularly if you have an OS installed that cannot be locked down
 against local users.
 
  Why do you think that Gates announced a few weeks ago that Windows
  AntiSpyware will be free after the beta period?
 
 I don't know.
 
  Do you think that the large corporate customers all are sitting around
  wondering why everyone else is so upset over the amount of lost time
  consumed by viruses?
 
 Large corporate customers that don't want problems lock down their
 machines.
 
 However, I'll grant that if a large enterprise truly wants a
 problem-free desktop, it might be better off installing Linux or UNIX.
 But to make this work it would have to customize the OS a lot so that
 the end user can do absolutely nothing beyond what the system allows him
 to do.  For example, you could build and configure it to support a few
 key corporate applications, and nothing else.  By carefully configuring
 and building the OS, you can make it impossible for users to add
 anything new without completely reinstalling a different OS.
 
 This essentially turns PCs into workstations or terminals, but in many
 organizations, that's exactly what one needs.
 
 This is not an out-of-the-box installation, though.  You'd have to
 develop your own tweaked version of the software and install it
 specifically on certain hardware configurations for which it had been
 customized.  This could cause problems with hardware acquisition since
 it requires a great deal of central control.
 
 This can be done with Windows, but it requires a lot of work up front,
 and the option of customizing the OS to completely exclude certain
 functionalities isn't there.
 
  Provide support for this statement.
 
 That's the key word: support.  For open source, there isn't any.  Many
 companies cannot afford to use unsupported products, even if they are
 free.
 
 --
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Re: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread John
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:14:19 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote
 Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
 
  Do a portupgrade first.  Firefox depends on a lot of stuff.
 
 I don't have the ports on the local machine.  I go directly to the 
 FTP server each time I install something.  Shouldn't they all be up 
 to date in that case?
 
 The only Firefox version I see is 0.9, even though the current one is
 1.0.1.

It would help you if you installed the ports tree and portupgrade (and cvsup
it every day via cron to keep it up-to-date). If you did that, you would bave
been able to do like I have just done:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] portupgrade -rR firefox
[Updating the pkgdb format:bdb1_btree in /var/db/pkg ... - 241 packages found
---  Upgrading 'firefox-1.0_7,1' to 'firefox-1.0.1,1' (www/firefox)

[etc]

just makes life easier instead of manually adding packages..
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Re: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Chris writes:

 This is simple. As someone has pointed out before, you need cvsup the
 ports tree then a portupgrade. Yes, after the cvsup and portupgrade you
 will have 1.0.1

There is no ports tree on the machine, so it cannot be out of date.
Isn't the index downloaded from the FTP site each time I start
sysinstall always up to date?  If not, how can I update something that
isn't even on my system?

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support for multiple gre tunnel pass-through

2005-02-26 Thread emilio
Hi at all the list
I got the latest (5.3) free-bsd edition and need to know if  there's support 
for gre protocol into multiple connections
We got many clients for vpn into the office acessing a remote server and 
passing through the firewall who has two interfaces(one public and one internal)
 in a round-trip way meaning that the packet has to do natd in the go and in 
the back way to access the  10.x.x.x internal network
I'm a little worried because we used debian with the kernel 2.4.26 and iptables 
1.2.11 and needed to do  many adjusts and recompiles until it came to work 
finally.with 
the patch-o-matic added.
So the question is if in free-bsd and the related ipfw is the same headache
Of course i'm a newbie hehehe
May you have a look at this problem i'd be grateful...
thanks very very much

Emilio
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Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?

2005-02-26 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Jon Drews writes:

 If you think the FreeBSD community is a nightmare then why are you
 sticking around except to stir up strife ?

It's the closest thing to support available for FreeBSD.  There's
nothing else.

I do note, however, that only about 10% of my questions to the list
actually generate useful answers.  The other questions either get no
replies at all, or vague replies that really aren't useful, or pure
guesses.  One gets the impression that nobody really knows anything
about FreeBSD, or, if anybody does, he never replies to this list.

Indeed, the only messages that generate replies are those that suggest
that FreeBSD is anything other than sweetness and light.  Serious
questions about how to use the software are met by a deafening silence
in too many cases.

That's why I say what I do on my Web site.  Anyone thinking of running
FreeBSD in a production environment needs on-site experts to deal with
it, because they'll never get any help from anywhere else.

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Re: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread Chris
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Chris writes:

This is simple. As someone has pointed out before, you need cvsup the
ports tree then a portupgrade. Yes, after the cvsup and portupgrade you
will have 1.0.1

There is no ports tree on the machine, so it cannot be out of date.
Isn't the index downloaded from the FTP site each time I start
sysinstall always up to date?  If not, how can I update something that
isn't even on my system?

If you don't have the ports tree (/usr/ports) on the box, put it there. 
You can do this either via sysinstall or nab the ports tarball from FBSD.

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Re: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread Anthony Atkielski
John writes:

 It would help you if you installed the ports tree and portupgrade (and cvsup
 it every day via cron to keep it up-to-date). If you did that, you would bave
 been able to do like I have just done:

But I figured that if I always pull the index from an FTP site, it's
guaranteed to be up to date.  Isn't that true?  I'm never going to
install more than a small fraction of the ports, so putting the entire
tree on my site seems wasteful, especially if I have to constantly
update it.  I do have the tree on my production server, but only because
I had a lot more disk space to play with.

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Portupgrading - portauditing

2005-02-26 Thread George Katsanos


Hello,

Your team is ALWAYS very helpful . It's the best support i've ever dealt with.

Question : How do i portupgrade , just the pkgs/ports that portaudit -a sais 
have vulnerabilities,and not the whole thing?

Thank you


G.K.
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Re: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread Chris
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
John writes:

It would help you if you installed the ports tree and portupgrade (and cvsup
it every day via cron to keep it up-to-date). If you did that, you would bave
been able to do like I have just done:

But I figured that if I always pull the index from an FTP site, it's
guaranteed to be up to date.  Isn't that true?  I'm never going to
install more than a small fraction of the ports, so putting the entire
tree on my site seems wasteful, especially if I have to constantly
update it.  I do have the tree on my production server, but only because
I had a lot more disk space to play with.

Read the CVSup info on the FBSD site. There are ways (it escapes me at 
the moment) to exclude things from the cvsup, IE: languages etc.

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Re: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Chris writes:

 If you don't have the ports tree (/usr/ports) on the box, put it there.

I don't have 300 MB to spare, particularly for something that I will use
so rarely.

What's wrong with getting the index from the FTP site when I run
sysinstall?  Seems to me that it would guarantee that the ports are
always up to date.

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Re: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread Chris
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Chris writes:

If you don't have the ports tree (/usr/ports) on the box, put it there.

I don't have 300 MB to spare, particularly for something that I will use
so rarely.
What's wrong with getting the index from the FTP site when I run
sysinstall?  Seems to me that it would guarantee that the ports are
always up to date.
I can't honestly answer that one. There is also a command to fetch the 
index (without the need for sysinstall).

What you propose seems logical - I have never been faced with a space 
issue, so I can't answer one way or the other.

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Re: Request to mailing list moderators rejected

2005-02-26 Thread Michael C. Shultz
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Re: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread Chris Hodgins
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
John writes:

It would help you if you installed the ports tree and portupgrade (and cvsup
it every day via cron to keep it up-to-date). If you did that, you would bave
been able to do like I have just done:

But I figured that if I always pull the index from an FTP site, it's
guaranteed to be up to date.  Isn't that true?  I'm never going to
install more than a small fraction of the ports, so putting the entire
tree on my site seems wasteful, especially if I have to constantly
update it.  I do have the tree on my production server, but only because
I had a lot more disk space to play with.
There is a port called porteasy that you could use to grab only what you 
want from the port tree.  Not used it myself before but I have seen a 
few people mention it.  You should be aware though that by installing 
firefox you will be installing a lot of other ports that firefox depends 
on as well.

Chris
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Re: Portupgrading - portauditing

2005-02-26 Thread Chris
George Katsanos wrote:
Hello,
Your team is ALWAYS very helpful . It's the best support i've ever dealt with.
Question : How do i portupgrade , just the pkgs/ports that portaudit -a sais 
have vulnerabilities,and not the whole thing?

Thank you
G.K.

As someone pointed out, IE:  portupgrade -rR firefox
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Re: Request to mailing list moderators rejected

2005-02-26 Thread Chris
Michael C. Shultz wrote:
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   Posting of your message titled you have Verizons smtp server
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I was posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Anyway:  I have added that specific SMTP client machine's IP address
to a whitelist.  I don't have time to poll every (or *any*) ISP to
find out what IP addresses correspond with its SMTP relay machines at
any given moment in time.  And merely because a machine is an ISP's
SMTP relay does not mean that it should not be blocked:  some ISPs
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Well sorry running freebsd-questions is such a bother for you. My time 
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Re: Portupgrading - portauditing

2005-02-26 Thread Chris Hodgins
George Katsanos wrote:
Hello,
Your team is ALWAYS very helpful . It's the best support i've ever dealt with.
Question : How do i portupgrade , just the pkgs/ports that portaudit -a sais 
have vulnerabilities,and not the whole thing?

Thank you
G.K.
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Are you after a way to do this automatically or just a way to do it
generally?
You basically want to run portaudit -a and portupgrade each Affected
Package.  You could probably script this quite easily:
for i in `portaudit -a | grep Affected package: | awk '{print $3}'`
do
portupgrade $FLAGS $i
done
Hope this is what you were after. :)
Chris
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Re: ip addr changes on 5.3 but not on 4.8

2005-02-26 Thread Eric F Crist
On Feb 25, 2005, at 4:27 PM, Jonathan Chen wrote:
On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 04:16:40PM -0500, Marty Landman wrote:
[...]
Here's the problem, hope the preceding is a good background to it. 
Find
that the IP address for the 5.3 box gets changed on a fairly regular 
basis
by (I guess) my xp gateway so that I then have to change the gateway 
hosts
file, the 5.3 hosts file and 5.3 rc.conf file.

The 4.8 box's IP addr has been stable.
Any idea where I start to fix this? Would like the 5.3 box's IP addr 
to
remain stable as well.
This has nothing to do with the FreeBSD boxes, but rather a
configuration issue with your DHCP server. The DHCP server can be
configured so that it will always give the same IP for a particular
NIC. Talk to your admin about it.
--
The other thing you could try would be to set a static IP on your 
workstations...

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Firefox hanging problem

2005-02-26 Thread Chris Hodgins
Hi,
Firefox seems to be hanging for a period of time before working again. 
When I start it up it initially loads the tabs I had open previously (I 
use the session-saver extension) and before the pages load it then just 
totally locks up for around a minute.  I ktrace'd it to see what it was 
up to and I found a whole bunch of calls to gettimeofday.  Not sure what 
the time has to do with loading websites.  Anyone have any ideas?

Chris
Attached ktrace output.
[snip lots and lots of gettimeofday]
 16670 firefox-bin RET   kse_release 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfacbf10,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfacbf10,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfacbef0,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfbfb828,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfbfb808,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfbfb7c8,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfacbf10,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfacbef0,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  kse_release(0x8061f44)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   kse_release 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfacbf10,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfacbf10,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfacbef0,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfbfb828,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfbfb808,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfbfb7c8,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  kse_release(0x8061f44)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   kse_release 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfacbf10,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfacbf10,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfacbef0,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfbfb828,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  write(0x7,0x282ee729,0x1)
 16670 firefox-bin GIO   fd 7 wrote 1 byte
   8
 16670 firefox-bin RET   write 1
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfbfb808,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfbfb7c8,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  read(0x6,0xbfaedb38,0x400)
 16670 firefox-bin GIO   fd 6 read 1 byte
   8
 16670 firefox-bin RET   read 1
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfaedd80,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  recvfrom(0x25,0xbfaedd47,0x1,0x2,0,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   recvfrom -1 errno 35 Resource temporarily 
unavailable
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfaedd80,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  recvfrom(0x18,0xbfaedd47,0x1,0x2,0,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   recvfrom -1 errno 35 Resource temporarily 
unavailable
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  poll(0xbfaedd08,0x2,0x)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   fork 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  kse_release(0x8061f3c)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   kse_release 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfacbf10,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfacbf10,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfacbef0,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfbfb828,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfbfb808,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfbfb7c8,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  kse_release(0x8061f44)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   kse_release 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfacbf10,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfacbf10,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfacbef0,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfbfb828,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfbfb808,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfbfb7c8,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  kse_release(0x8061f44)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   kse_release 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfacbf10,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0
 16670 firefox-bin CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfacbf10,0)
 16670 firefox-bin RET   gettimeofday 0

[snip lots and lots of gettimeofday]
 16670 firefox-bin RET   

Re: cd copy

2005-02-26 Thread Fabian Keil
Dick Hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What is the easiest way to copy a complete cdrom with freebsd-4.11?

Use readcd and cdrecord.

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RE: Toshiba Satellite laptop

2005-02-26 Thread Mike Jeays
On Sat, 2005-02-26 at 05:56, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
 Do you just want a bigger disk?
 
 If so, then go for it - although if the disk is buried in the
 laptop, it's worth it to pay someone else to install it as you
 aren't going to have the tools to take it apart, nor are you going
 to have the instructions on how to get it apart.
 
 Ted
 
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  Subject: Toshiba Satellite laptop
  
  
  I was thinking of getting a spare hard disk for a Toshiba Satellite
  laptop (Pentium 3 with 256MB).  Does anyone have any good or bad
  experiences?  It runs Knoppix perfectly well.
  
  
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I need to keep the existing Windows configuration intact on the old
disk, but would also like to try FreeBSD on this machine.

The disk seems to be designed to be easily removed in this model - there
are just two screws to undo, and it unplugs as a sealed unit.  I took
the old one out and put it back in with no trouble, and it still worked
normally.

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Re: Weird character representation in console

2005-02-26 Thread Vittorio
No suggestion for the problem I posted last week?
Vittorio

Alle 13:02, venerdì 18 febbraio 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:
 After years of linux distributions now I'm having a go at FreeBDS.
 Therefore, as a perfect newbye in FreeBSD I have just installed the
 developer stuff with x support and the ports of version 5.3.
 After having compiled the Midnight Commander mc from the ports' sources
 I noticed that running mc the various rectangles framing the tree
 structures of the filesystem are not correctly displayed and built with a
 combination of '-' and '|' but with a weird combination of 'ç' and 'ù'.

 What should I do straighten things up (I admit, I have been manipulating
 the fonts without knowing what I was doing!!)?

 A step by step explamnation would be highly appreciated.

 Ciao
 Vittorio

 Ciao
 Vittorio

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Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?

2005-02-26 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 26, 2005, at 7:40 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Jon Drews writes:
If you think the FreeBSD community is a nightmare then why are you
sticking around except to stir up strife ?
It's the closest thing to support available for FreeBSD.  There's
nothing else.
I am sorry, but I get the same level of support here that I do in the 
Windows list, if not more.  And that is all I have for WIndows as well?

What?  You want me to pay for Windows support?  Then pay for your damn 
BSD support!   There are consultants and companies you can pay for your 
FreeBSD support that will offer you much  better support than you get 
now.

Chad
I do note, however, that only about 10% of my questions to the list
actually generate useful answers.  The other questions either get no
replies at all, or vague replies that really aren't useful, or pure
guesses.  One gets the impression that nobody really knows anything
about FreeBSD, or, if anybody does, he never replies to this list.
Indeed, the only messages that generate replies are those that suggest
that FreeBSD is anything other than sweetness and light.  Serious
questions about how to use the software are met by a deafening silence
in too many cases.
That's why I say what I do on my Web site.  Anyone thinking of running
FreeBSD in a production environment needs on-site experts to deal with
it, because they'll never get any help from anywhere else.
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Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?

2005-02-26 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:

 I am sorry, but I get the same level of support here that I do in the
 Windows list, if not more.

I suspect you won't believe me, but I rarely recall ever having to look
for Windows support.  The few problems I've had with Windows have been
with specific applications or drivers, not the OS.

And in cases where I've needed support, the very extensive knowledge
base that Microsoft maintains has been useful.  It's pretty lame in an
absolute sense, but it's much better than anything that other vendors
provide (although HP comes close, and probably matches it for hardware).

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Re: cd copy

2005-02-26 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:33:33 +0100
Fabian Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dick Hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  What is the easiest way to copy a complete cdrom with freebsd-4.11?
 
 Use readcd and cdrecord.

I rebuild the kernel with atapicam (ata, scbus,cd and pass were already
there) and installed cdrecord and cdrdao. I have a few questions:

dmegs states attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not
present
Can this querying be set off? Even with cdroms in the drives it delays
booting.

cdrecord -scanbus comes up with a list of (cd) devices plus a warning:
cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities
page

What does this warning mean? What do I do about it?

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Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?

2005-02-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Jon Drews writes:

If you think the FreeBSD community is a nightmare then why are you
sticking around except to stir up strife ?

It's the closest thing to support available for FreeBSD.  There's
nothing else.

http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/consult_bycat.html

I do note, however, that only about 10% of my questions to the list
actually generate useful answers.  The other questions either get no
replies at all, or vague replies that really aren't useful, or pure
guesses.  One gets the impression that nobody really knows anything
about FreeBSD, or, if anybody does, he never replies to this list.

maybe it's YOU

Indeed, the only messages that generate replies are those that suggest
that FreeBSD is anything other than sweetness and light.  Serious
questions about how to use the software are met by a deafening silence
in too many cases.

Anyone who's been part of this list for longer than you (i.e. more than 
a couple of weeks) knows this to be absolute bullshit. There are some 
REAL knowledgeable folks here who have plenty to offer but you've 
annoyed most of them into silence. The proof is in the archives.

Nothing left for you to do but leave and/or change your name (once 
again?) so that you appear in our inbox instead of the trash bin.

G
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Re: cd copy

2005-02-26 Thread Fabian Keil
dick hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Fabian Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Dick Hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   What is the easiest way to copy a complete cdrom with freebsd-4.11?
  
  Use readcd and cdrecord.
 
 I rebuild the kernel with atapicam (ata, scbus,cd and pass were already
 there) and installed cdrecord and cdrdao. I have a few questions:
 
 dmegs states attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not
 present
 Can this querying be set off?

I don't know.

 cdrecord -scanbus comes up with a list of (cd) devices plus a warning:
 cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities
 page
 
 What does this warning mean? What do I do about it?

AFAIK it's a complaint, that the controller doesn't act 100% SCSI compliant. 

A firmware update could solve it, but as it's just a warning, you can
as well ignore it.

Regards
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Autoinstall

2005-02-26 Thread Subhro
Hello Folks,

I am trying to create a custom install CD for a few systems which are exact
clones of each other. I am trying to make the CD such that whenever the
systems are booted off the CDs, it would be auto partitioned and all the
predefined packages would be installed without any user intervention. Anyone
can help me by sending me pointers or procedure about how to create it?

Thanks
S.

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Block AQ-13/1, Sector V
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Re: Autoinstall

2005-02-26 Thread Roland Smith
On Sat, Feb 26, 2005 at 11:20:24PM +0530, Subhro wrote:
 Hello Folks,
 
 I am trying to create a custom install CD for a few systems which are exact
 clones of each other. I am trying to make the CD such that whenever the
 systems are booted off the CDs, it would be auto partitioned and all the
 predefined packages would be installed without any user intervention. Anyone
 can help me by sending me pointers or procedure about how to create it?

Note that I haven't tried it myself, but the FreeBSD installation
utility, sysinstall can be scripted. See sysinstall(8). There is also a
manual page about how releases are built. See releases(7).

Roland
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Re: Portupgrading - portauditing

2005-02-26 Thread Louis LeBlanc
I wouldn't bother trying it like straight out if you're trying to get
the Firefox update.  It still lists firefox as a vulnerability for
some reason.  I had 1.7.5_1,2, which is the version it listed, but it
wouldn't let me upgrade to 1.0.1,1.  I even tried listing the
vulnerability listed in portaudit.conf, but no change.

I finally gave up and deleted the db at
/var/db/portaudit/auditfile.tbz and then did the upgrade.

It still flags firefox as a vulnerability, even though the problem it
references is supposed to be explicitly fixed in the version I have
installed (window injection vulnerability).

Of course, you can the method described by another poster to get that
list, but I haven't been able to get portaudit to actually let me
upgrade.  Even the portupgrade -f flag won't work and simply building
the port manually is also disabled for flagged ports.

Portaudit seems more a hard lockdown than a warning system.  I think
either I am not understanding how to manage it yet, or it has a couple
issues that have not been hammered out yet.  Manpages don't have much
detail about this issue.  I haven't had a chance to check on the
existence of a bug report yet, because I want to hunt down all the
docs I can first.

Not that I don't think it's a great security tool! :)

Lou

On 02/26/05 04:42 PM, George Katsanos sat at the `puter and typed:
 
 
 Hello,
 
 Your team is ALWAYS very helpful . It's the best support i've ever dealt with.
 
 Question : How do i portupgrade , just the pkgs/ports that portaudit -a sais 
 have vulnerabilities,and not the whole thing?
 
 Thank you
 
 
 G.K.
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Re: Autoinstall

2005-02-26 Thread Christian Hiris
On Saturday 26 February 2005 19:04:19, Roland Smith wrote:
 On Sat, Feb 26, 2005 at 11:20:24PM +0530, Subhro wrote:
  Hello Folks,
 
  I am trying to create a custom install CD for a few systems which are
  exact clones of each other. I am trying to make the CD such that whenever
  the systems are booted off the CDs, it would be auto partitioned and all
  the predefined packages would be installed without any user intervention.
  Anyone can help me by sending me pointers or procedure about how to
  create it?

 Note that I haven't tried it myself, but the FreeBSD installation
 utility, sysinstall can be scripted. See sysinstall(8). There is also a
 manual page about how releases are built. See releases(7).

There exists a sample script on our cvs servers:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/src/release/sysinstall/Attic/install.cfg?rev=1.9.2.2
 
Altough it's listed in the Attic, I think it will still work.  

Cheers,
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where is libstd++.so.5?

2005-02-26 Thread Gary Kline

Can anybody clue me in which port builds the lib++ shared 
libraries?

LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library
/usr/local/lib/linux-mozilla/plugins/nphelix.so [Shared object
libstdc++.so.5 not found, required by nphelix.so]


thanks people,

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Re: Portupgrading - portauditing

2005-02-26 Thread Nick Pavlica
I believe if you do a portuprade -arR you will also upgrade any dependant ports.


On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:28:31 +, Chris Hodgins
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 George Katsanos wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  Your team is ALWAYS very helpful . It's the best support i've ever dealt 
  with.
 
  Question : How do i portupgrade , just the pkgs/ports that portaudit -a sais
  have vulnerabilities,and not the whole thing?
 
  Thank you
 
 
  G.K.
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 Are you after a way to do this automatically or just a way to do it
 generally?
 
 You basically want to run portaudit -a and portupgrade each Affected
 Package.  You could probably script this quite easily:
 
 for i in `portaudit -a | grep Affected package: | awk '{print $3}'`
 do
  portupgrade $FLAGS $i
 done
 
 Hope this is what you were after. :)
 Chris
 
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Constant mysterious SCSI errors

2005-02-26 Thread Anthony Atkielski
I get constant streams of messages concerning my disks on the console
whenever I have a lot of disk activity on my system (2x SCSI disks, no
IDE or other disks). I'd very much like to know what's going on (there's
nothing wrong with the hardware, so either it's a configuration problem,
or it's a bug).

There doesn't seem to be any data loss or corruption occurring.  I've
had one or two panics, though (which may or may not have caused data
loss--it's hard to tell).

While recompiling the kernel, the system stalled periodically (at least
anything involving disk I/O stalled) and generated several hundred
kilobytes of messages looking like this:

Feb 26 20:09:23 contactdish kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): Retrying Command
Feb 26 20:09:23 contactdish kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): Request Requeued
Feb 26 20:09:23 contactdish kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): Retrying Command
Feb 26 20:09:23 contactdish kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): Queue Full
Feb 26 20:09:23 contactdish kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): tagged openings now 64
Feb 26 20:09:23 contactdish kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): Retrying Command
Feb 26 20:09:24 contactdish kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): Queue Full
Feb 26 20:09:24 contactdish kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): tagged openings now 63
Feb 26 20:09:24 contactdish kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): Retrying Command
Feb 26 20:09:26 contactdish kernel: (da1:ahc0:0:2:0): Request Requeued
Feb 26 20:09:26 contactdish kernel: (da1:ahc0:0:2:0): Retrying Command
Feb 26 20:09:26 contactdish kernel: (da1:ahc0:0:2:0): Queue Full
Feb 26 20:09:26 contactdish kernel: (da1:ahc0:0:2:0): Retrying Command

In addition, I sometimes get bursts of much longer messages, looking
something like this:

Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: ahc0: Recovery Initiated
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel:  Dump Card State Begins 

Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: ahc0: Dumping Card State in Message-in 
phase, at SEQADDR 0x162
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: Card was paused
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: ACCUM = 0xcb, SINDEX = 0x0, DINDEX = 0x88, 
ARG_2 = 0x0
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: HCNT = 0x0 SCBPTR = 0xa
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: SCSISIGI[0xe6]:(REQI|BSYI|MSGI|IOI|CDI) 
ERROR[0x0] 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: SCSIBUSL[0x0] 
LASTPHASE[0xe0]:(MSGI|IOI|CDI) SCSISEQ[0x12]:(ENAUTOATNP|ENRSELI) 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: SBLKCTL[0x0] SCSIRATE[0xf]:(SXFR_ULTRA2) 
SEQCTL[0x10]:(FASTMODE) 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: SEQ_FLAGS[0x0] 
SSTAT0[0x7]:(DMADONE|SPIORDY|SDONE) 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: SSTAT1[0x3]:(REQINIT|PHASECHG) SSTAT2[0x0] 
SSTAT3[0x0] 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: SIMODE0[0x0] 
SIMODE1[0xac]:(ENSCSIPERR|ENBUSFREE|ENSCSIRST|ENSELTIMO) 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: SXFRCTL0[0xa8]:(SPIOEN|FAST20|DFON) 
DFCNTRL[0x0] DFSTATUS[0x29]:(FIFOEMP|HDONE|FIFOQWDEMP) 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: STACK: 0x105 0x100 0xe5 0x163
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: SCB count = 100
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: Kernel NEXTQSCB = 19
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: Card NEXTQSCB = 25
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: QINFIFO entries: 25 71 31 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: Waiting Queue entries: 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: Disconnected Queue entries: 0:72 1:68 2:84 
14:60 12:61 5:53 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: QOUTFIFO entries: 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: Sequencer Free SCB List: 10 6 9 3 7 4 13 11 
15 8 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: Sequencer SCB Info: 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: 0 
SCB_CONTROL[0x6c]:(DISCONNECTED|ULTRAENB|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: SCB_SCSIID[0x27] SCB_LUN[0x0] SCB_TAG[0x48] 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: 1 
SCB_CONTROL[0x6c]:(DISCONNECTED|ULTRAENB|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: SCB_SCSIID[0x27] SCB_LUN[0x0] SCB_TAG[0x44] 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: 2 
SCB_CONTROL[0x6c]:(DISCONNECTED|ULTRAENB|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: SCB_SCSIID[0x27] SCB_LUN[0x0] SCB_TAG[0x54] 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: 3 
SCB_CONTROL[0xe8]:(ULTRAENB|TAG_ENB|DISCENB|TARGET_SCB) 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: SCB_SCSIID[0x27] SCB_LUN[0x0] SCB_TAG[0xff] 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: 4 
SCB_CONTROL[0xe8]:(ULTRAENB|TAG_ENB|DISCENB|TARGET_SCB) 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: SCB_SCSIID[0x27] SCB_LUN[0x0] SCB_TAG[0xff] 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: 5 
SCB_CONTROL[0x6c]:(DISCONNECTED|ULTRAENB|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: SCB_SCSIID[0x27] SCB_LUN[0x0] SCB_TAG[0x35] 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: 6 
SCB_CONTROL[0xe8]:(ULTRAENB|TAG_ENB|DISCENB|TARGET_SCB) 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: SCB_SCSIID[0x27] SCB_LUN[0x0] SCB_TAG[0xff] 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: 7 
SCB_CONTROL[0xe8]:(ULTRAENB|TAG_ENB|DISCENB|TARGET_SCB) 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: SCB_SCSIID[0x27] SCB_LUN[0x0] SCB_TAG[0xff] 
Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: 8 
SCB_CONTROL[0xe8]:(ULTRAENB|TAG_ENB|DISCENB|TARGET_SCB) 
Feb 25 

Re: where is libstd++.so.5?

2005-02-26 Thread Christian Hiris
On Saturday 26 February 2005 20:12:20, Gary Kline wrote:
   Can anybody clue me in which port builds the lib++ shared
   libraries?

 LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library
 /usr/local/lib/linux-mozilla/plugins/nphelix.so [Shared object
 libstdc++.so.5 not found, required by nphelix.so]

# locate libstdc++.so.5
/usr/compat/linux/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5
/usr/compat/linux/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.1

You need to install one of the linux ports and set linux_enable=YES in 
your /etc/rc.conf.

Cheers,
ch

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Trouble Compiling 4.3.10 on FreeBSD 5.X

2005-02-26 Thread Tim Traver
Hi all,
for some reason, I cannot get php to compile a shared object to work
with apache 1.3.33...
Here are the config commands that I used for apache and php :
EAPI_MM=SYSTEM ./configure --enable-module=so --enable-module=info
--enable-module=status --enable-module=rewrite --enable-module=ssl
--enable-shared=ssl --disable-rule=SSL_COMPAT
apache installs and works just fine.
I use this for php :
./configure --with-apxs=/usr/local/apache/bin/apxs --enable-ftp
--with-mcrypt=/usr/local -with-openssl -enable-url-fopen-wrapper
--enable-ftp --with-gd --with-zlib --with-jpeg-dir=/usr/local/lib
--with-png-dir=/usr/local/lib --with-ttf --enable-gd-native-ttf
--with-freetype-dir=/usr/local/lib --enable-shared
It compiles ok, but when I go to install it, it gives an error :
Installing PHP SAPI module:   apache
[activating module `php4' in /usr/local/apache/conf/httpd.conf]
cp libs/libphp4.so /usr/local/apache/libexec/libphp4.so
cp: libs/libphp4.so: No such file or directory
apxs:Break: Command failed with rc=1
*** Error code 1
Stop in /dev/php-4.3.10.
and there is no shared object file in the libs directory.
This works just fine on a FreeBSD 4.10 client, but for some reason it
doesn't create the shared object on this 5.3 system.
More info :
System is a Dual Opteron AMD architecture, running a fresh install of
FreeBSD 5.3...
thanks,
Tim.
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How to downgrade perl from 5.8.6 to 5.8.5?

2005-02-26 Thread Todd Suits
I need to downgrade the perl port from 5.8.6 to 5.8.5 at least
temporarily in order to install Plesk on a 5.3 system.  I see the
5.8.5 files on the ftp.freebsd.org/./distfiles server but I have
no idea how to go about doing a downgrade.  I checked out the ported
applications link  on the main freebsd.org page and I couldn't even
confirm that 5.8.5 was ever installed as a port.  How do I go about
doing this?
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Re: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread Kevin Kinsey
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Chris writes:
 

If you don't have the ports tree (/usr/ports) on the box, put it there.
   

I don't have 300 MB to spare, particularly for something that I will use
so rarely.
What's wrong with getting the index from the FTP site when I run
sysinstall?  Seems to me that it would guarantee that the ports are
always up to date.
 

Well, I've been under the impression for a while that sysinstall
is not necessarily reliable in terms of getting the most current
information; not because of its design, necessarily, but because
of some details about layout, building world, etc.  Keep in mind
that this is my take on the question, and I'm basically nobody
(and will mention that fact again.)
A crunched binary version of sysinstall exists in /stand.  A couple
(or 3?? - I knew this once) of years ago sysinstall was moved to
/usr/sbin in -CURRENT and now lives there in the 5.X branch.   On
a 5.X machine, then, you have two sysinstalls that may or may not
be the same date, (and most likely aren't) and certainly may vary
in some way:
[668] Sat 26.Feb.2005 14:14:01
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ll /usr/sbin/sysinstall  ll /stand/sysinstall
-r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  411336 Feb 12 10:34 /usr/sbin/sysinstall*
-r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  2148964 Apr 23  2004 /stand/sysinstall*
Now consider the following note Murray Stokely writes in
/doc/en/articles/releng/ (he's discussing preparatory steps
for building a RELEASE):
Sysinstall should be updated to note the number of available
ports and the amount of disk space required for the Ports Collection.
This information is currently kept in src/release/sysinstall/dist.c.
So, it's my best guess (as I said, IANAE) that /usr/sbin/sysinstall
will not know about anything later than the date obtained by
uname -a (last system rebuild, whatever), and /stand/sysinstall
may have hoplessly out of date information (unless you are in
the habit of crunching new binaries for /stand every time you
upgrade the system; most people probably don't?).
Now, I'm not saying I'm right, because I don't even know
the exact procedure you're describing in using sysinstall
for getting the index, but most of my experiences using
it to try and do anything in terms of packages/ports seem
to indicate that it has basically one idea of where to look,
and that idea isn't the newest ports tree.  I could be wrong.
Kevin Kinsey
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Re: Portupgrading - portauditing

2005-02-26 Thread epilogue

 I finally gave up and deleted the db at
 /var/db/portaudit/auditfile.tbz and then did the upgrade.
 
 It still flags firefox as a vulnerability, even though the problem it
 references is supposed to be explicitly fixed in the version I have
 installed (window injection vulnerability).
 
 Of course, you can the method described by another poster to get that
 list, but I haven't been able to get portaudit to actually let me
 upgrade.  Even the portupgrade -f flag won't work and simply building
 the port manually is also disabled for flagged ports.
 
 Portaudit seems more a hard lockdown than a warning system.  I think
 either I am not understanding how to manage it yet, or it has a couple
 issues that have not been hammered out yet.  Manpages don't have much
 detail about this issue.  I haven't had a chance to check on the
 existence of a bug report yet, because I want to hunt down all the
 docs I can first.

no need to fiddle with portaudit, as these can be fed directly to make
or to portupgrade (with the -m flag).

building ports despite vulnerabilities:
-DDISABLE_VULNERABILITIES

building ports despite ignore:
-DNO_IGNORE

to my knowledge, these are not yet documented anywhere but here in the
mailing lists.  i believe that the doc project is already looking to
integrate this info into the ports manpage (or somewhere else equally
sensible).

on the off chance that they lost sight of this target, i'm adding them
to cc.   (:  thank you docs team  :)

hth.


cheers,
epi
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Re: Trouble Compiling 4.3.10 on FreeBSD 5.X

2005-02-26 Thread Kirk Strauser
On Saturday 26 February 2005 01:50 pm, Tim Traver wrote:

 for some reason, I cannot get php to compile a shared object to work
 with apache 1.3.33...

Is there a reason you're not using the port?
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Re: RELENG_5 installworld fails

2005-02-26 Thread Kent Stewart
On Saturday 26 February 2005 04:10 am, Velko Ivanov wrote:
  So, you need to supply more info. Are you setting any special
  parameters in /etc/make.conf? Did you follow UPDATING as far as the
  sequence of buildworld, [build/install]kernel, boot to single user
  mode and do the installworld? Before this build, when did you last
  update your system?

 This points to /etc/make.conf:
 CPUTYPE=p3
 CFLAGS= -O -pipe -msse -mmmx
 COPTFLAGS= -O -pipe -msse -mmmx

 NO_BIND=true
 BOOTWAIT=0

 It is a dual PIII Xeon, 5.3-RELEASE freshly installed - installing
 cvsup and updating to RELENG_5 was the first thing I did.
 The procedure in UPDATING is followed strictly.

Some people don't follow it and strange things happen. FWIW, my upgrade 
worked as expected.

 I have done many installations on different machines and never had
 trouble with optimizations in make.conf (except when I specified the
 wrong CPU once :)).
 I just can't link problems with GCC optimization flags, to the fact
 that the path to uuencode is not set in a Makefile in some directory.
 I was just curious, thanks for the reply.

You never know but when something strange pops up. If you aren't using 
the defaults, killing the CPU and FLAGS are a place to start. It is too 
easy to add the # and then delete if nothing changes. For example, my 
5-stable is an athlon-xp and somewhere in time, I commented the CPU 
out. The default FLAGS is -O -pipe and so, I don't supply them 
either. 

I have been going to try and find what the boot parameter is. The delay 
at the start is not needed.

Kent

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Re: How to downgrade perl from 5.8.6 to 5.8.5?

2005-02-26 Thread Todd Suits
D'oh on me.. /sysutils/portdowngrade


On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:20:15 -0500, Todd Suits
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 I need to downgrade the perl port from 5.8.6 to 5.8.5 at least
 temporarily in order to install Plesk on a 5.3 system.  I see the
 5.8.5 files on the ftp.freebsd.org/./distfiles server but I have
 no idea how to go about doing a downgrade.  I checked out the ported
 applications link  on the main freebsd.org page and I couldn't even
 confirm that 5.8.5 was ever installed as a port.  How do I go about
 doing this?

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Re: Trouble Compiling 4.3.10 on FreeBSD 5.X

2005-02-26 Thread Tim Traver
Kirk,
well, yes, there is...first, the apache port has very few changes. most 
of the patches are things that the FreeBSD community wanted to change to 
fit defaults (.i.e different log file names, mostly cosmetic). I think 
there are a couple of su_exec tweaks in it, but overall, the port is not 
much different than the source.

And php is not the latest version in the ports either. Not to mention 
that I use a lost of custom configuration parameters. It also doesn't 
look like any of the patches in the port of 4.3.9 would do anything to 
change my issue...

Not that I don't think the ports collection is good. There are just some 
things that you need to do manually...

Tim.
Kirk Strauser wrote:
On Saturday 26 February 2005 01:50 pm, Tim Traver wrote:
 

for some reason, I cannot get php to compile a shared object to work
with apache 1.3.33...
   

Is there a reason you're not using the port?
 

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Re: Question, is there any way or program that will let youclone/image a FreeBSD system

2005-02-26 Thread Kevin Kinsey
Andrew Batson wrote:
Hello,
I have spend a few hours trying to find way to create a clone/image
of a currently working FreeBSD version 5.3 system. I would like to be able
to clone/image the system to a secondary hard disk drive attached the PC. I
have used Symantec's Ghost many times for Windows Systems and know that it
could do the job but only in a sector by sector operation. This will create
huge images files.
Is there any way to do? I have read about with g4u, dd, dump/restore
but they do not seems to be able to do create the clone/image on a secondary
attached hard disk drive.
Thanks for your help,
Andrew
 

I'm not sure ... have you looked at /ports/sysutils/dolly?
[513] Sat 26.Feb.2005 16:28:32
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# make search key=clone | grep -A 5 -B 2 disk
Port:   dolly-0.57
Path:   /usr/ports/sysutils/dolly
Info:   A program to clone harddisks/partitions over a fast switched network
Maint:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
B-deps:
R-deps:
WWW:http://www.cs.inf.ethz.ch/CoPs/patagonia/dolly.html
Port:   dolly+-0.93
Path:   /usr/ports/sysutils/dolly+
Info:   Improved version of dolly harddisk/partition network clone utility
Maint:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
B-deps:
R-deps:
WWW:http://corvus.kek.jp/~manabe/pcf/dolly/
If you label, fdisk and slice the 2nd disk identically to the first, I'd 
think
dd would be easy, a la `dd if=/dev/ad0s1 of=/dev/ad1s1` and so on.

I've done something similar to what you describe by setting up the
new disk via sysinstall and piping my partitions through tar, but I
don't recall it being an immensely satisfying experience.
Kevin Kinsey
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Re: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread Kevin Kinsey
Kevin Kinsey wrote:
Well, I've been under the impression for a while that sysinstall
is not necessarily reliable ...
big snip
I need to add, in order that my previous post not go into the archives
as absolute fact, and that I not be considered by the general public
as more of an idiot than I might already have confirmed, that I
don't use sysinstall for much, and did just go back into that
program to the location  Configure  Options, where you can set
an  {environment?} variable for sysinstall to look for a certain
release.
Now, if that can be set to CURRENT (or, more likely, HEAD),
then sysinstall might well grab you a current ports index ... if
it can do *that* at all.
I am sure that if your sysinstall is set to, say, 5.1-RELEASE (which
is no longer supported), it's not likely to find any packages at all.
Sorry for the FUD, if it's considered thusly.  

Kevin Kinsey
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su from root

2005-02-26 Thread Doug Hardie
I have encountered an unusual issue where the behavior is different 
between FreeBSD 4.6 and 5.3.  If I login  and then su to root 
successfully, then do a su to a non-root user I get:

pam_login_access: pam_sm_acct_mgmt:  user-id is not allowed to log in 
on /dev/ttyv0

In chasing this down it appears that the restriction is coming from 
login.access which does have a limitation to prevent the non-root user 
from logging in.  Only members of the wheel group are permitted to 
login.  That restriction is essential to this system.  However, I don't 
understand why su is concerned about that.  I need su to switch me to 
that user.  I suspect this may be controlled by PAM but haven't been 
able to figure out just where that would be.  How can I make su work 
like it does in 4.6?

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Re: Portupgrading - portauditing

2005-02-26 Thread Louis LeBlanc
On 02/26/05 03:25 PM, epilogue sat at the `puter and typed:
 
  I finally gave up and deleted the db at
  /var/db/portaudit/auditfile.tbz and then did the upgrade.
  
  It still flags firefox as a vulnerability, even though the problem it
  references is supposed to be explicitly fixed in the version I have
  installed (window injection vulnerability).
  
  Of course, you can the method described by another poster to get that
  list, but I haven't been able to get portaudit to actually let me
  upgrade.  Even the portupgrade -f flag won't work and simply building
  the port manually is also disabled for flagged ports.
  
  Portaudit seems more a hard lockdown than a warning system.  I think
  either I am not understanding how to manage it yet, or it has a couple
  issues that have not been hammered out yet.  Manpages don't have much
  detail about this issue.  I haven't had a chance to check on the
  existence of a bug report yet, because I want to hunt down all the
  docs I can first.
 
 no need to fiddle with portaudit, as these can be fed directly to make
 or to portupgrade (with the -m flag).
 
 building ports despite vulnerabilities:
 -DDISABLE_VULNERABILITIES
 
 building ports despite ignore:
 -DNO_IGNORE
 
 to my knowledge, these are not yet documented anywhere but here in the
 mailing lists.  i believe that the doc project is already looking to
 integrate this info into the ports manpage (or somewhere else equally
 sensible).
 
 on the off chance that they lost sight of this target, i'm adding them
 to cc.   (:  thank you docs team  :)
 
 hth.


Definitely.  Thanks for the primer.

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Re: updating system version of OpenSSH

2005-02-26 Thread wo_shi_big_stomach
Phil Schulz wrote:

 If you can't afford to upgrade the base OS and you
do not want to 
 install OpenSSH from the ports

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I have no problem installing or
upgrading OpenSSH from ports. Indeed, that's all I
know how to do.

My question is how to upgrade OpenSSH as included with
5.2.1. If a ports install will do this, great.

The more general question is how to upgrade system
software, especially in cases where it's not included
in the ports collection.


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this but I
 believe rkhunter is 
 just checking the version 3.6.1 and doesn't account
 for the 'p1' part 
 which refers to a FBSD patch that corrected the
 vulnerability rkhunter 
 is referring to.
 
 IOW, I don't think you need to update ssh on 5.2.1
 if your motive is 
 merely that rkhunter flagged it.

OK, that's a relief, thanks.

Same question holds, though. If some system software
is actually vulnerable, what's the procedure to update
it?

thanks

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Re: ip addr changes on 5.3 but not on 4.8

2005-02-26 Thread Marty Landman
At 10:32 AM 2/26/2005, Eric F Crist wrote:
On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 04:16:40PM -0500, Marty Landman wrote:
that the IP address for the 5.3 box gets changed on a fairly regular basis
[snip]
The 4.8 box's IP addr has been stable.
The other thing you could try would be to set a static IP on your 
workstations...
I just can't help but notice that this is only a problem on my 5.3 box and 
not on the 4.8. AFAIK the config's are identical, although obviously I am 
still a newbie at this.

BTW, why is my nic on 4.8 ep0 but on 5.3 dc0? Is that the way it should be?
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gmirror disk mirroring

2005-02-26 Thread Stephen Kelly
Hi All,

I'm having a problem trying to set up disk mirroring of two 80G Western Digital
IDE drives.  I'm using the instructions at
http://people.freebsd.org/~rse/mirror/
I've included these instructions at the end of this e-mail.
When I reboot the system for the first time as instructed, it starts to boot but
then just starts printing the following messages to the screen:

init: can't exec getty `usr/libexec/getty` for port ttyv1:
No such file or directory
init: can't exec getty `usr/libexec/getty` for port ttyv2:
No such file or directory
init: can't exec getty `usr/libexec/getty` for port ttyv3:
No such file or directory
init: can't exec getty `usr/libexec/getty` for port ttyv4:
No such file or directory
.
.
.


Can anyone tell me where I'm going wrong/what is happening?
Thanks so much,
Stephen

The instructions:
# make sure the second disk is treated as a really fresh one
# (not really necessary, but makes procedure more deterministically ;-)
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad1 bs=512 count=79

# place a GEOM mirror label onto second disk
# (actually on the last block of the disk)
gmirror label -v -n -b round-robin gm0 /dev/ad1

# activate GEOM mirror kernel layer
# (makes the /dev/mirror/gm0 device available)
gmirror load

# place a PC MBR onto the second disk
# (with a single FreeBSD slice /dev/mirror/gm0s1 covering the whole disk)
fdisk -v -B -I /dev/mirror/gm0

# place a BSD disklabel onto /dev/mirror/gm0s1
# (ATTENTION: in FreeBSD 5-STABLE before 14-Jan-2005 the
# /dev/mirror/gm0s1 device has to be specified as just mirror/gm0s1 or
# the bsdlabel(8) will use the incorrect GEOM name gm0s1 instead!)
# (NOTICE: figure out what partitions you want with bsdlabel /dev/ad0 before)
# (NOTICE: start a partition at offset 16, c partition at offset 0)
bsdlabel -w -B /dev/mirror/gm0s1 # initialize
bsdlabel -e /dev/mirror/gm0s1# create custom partitions

# manually copy filesystem data from first to to second disk
# (same procedure for partitions g, etc)
newfs -U /dev/mirror/gm0s1a
mount /dev/mirror/gm0s1a /mnt
dump -L -0 -f- / | (cd /mnt; restore -r -v -f-)
newfs -U /dev/mirror/gm0s1d
mount /dev/mirror/gm0s1d /mnt/var
dump -L -0 -f- /var | (cd /mnt/var; restore -r -v -f-)
newfs -U /dev/mirror/gm0s1e
mount /dev/mirror/gm0s1e /mnt/usr
dump -L -0 -f- /usr | (cd /mnt/usr; restore -r -v -f-)

# adjust new system configuration for GEOM mirror based setup
cp -p /mnt/etc/fstab /mnt/etc/fstab.orig
sed -e 's/dev\/ad0/dev\/mirror\/gm0/g' /mnt/etc/fstab.orig /mnt/etc/fstab
echo 'swapoff=YES' /mnt/etc/rc.conf # for 5.3-RELEASE only
echo 'geom_mirror_load=YES' /mnt/boot/loader.conf

# instruct boot stage 2 loader on first disk to boot
# with the boot stage 3 loader from the second disk
# (mainly because BIOS might not allow easy booting from second ATA disk
# or at least requires manual intervention on the console)
echo 1:ad(1,a)/boot/loader /boot.config

# reboot system
# (for running system with GEOM mirror on second disk)
shutdown -r now

# make sure the first disk is treated as a really fresh one
# (also not really necessary, but makes procedure more deterministically ;-)
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad0 bs=512 count=79

# switch GEOM mirror to auto-synchronization and add first disk
# (first disk is now immediately synchronized with the second disk content)
gmirror configure -a gm0
gmirror insert gm0 /dev/ad0

# wait for the GEOM mirror synchronization to complete
sh -c 'while [ .`gmirror list | grep SYNCHRONIZING` != . ]; do sleep 1; done'

# reboot into the final two-disk GEOM mirror setup
# (now actually boots with the MBR and boot stages on first disk
# as it was synchronized from second disk)
shutdown -r now



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Re: ip addr changes on 5.3 but not on 4.8

2005-02-26 Thread wo_shi_big_stomach
--- Marty Landman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just can't help but notice that this is only a
 problem on my 5.3 box and 
 not on the 4.8. AFAIK the config's are identical,
 although obviously I am 
 still a newbie at this.

you might try paging through dmesg | more to see if
the system recognizes your interface on bootup.

 
 BTW, why is my nic on 4.8 ep0 but on 5.3 dc0? Is
 that the way it should be?

This is almost certainly a case of two different
Ethernet adapter cards in the two machines.

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Re: ip addr changes on 5.3 but not on 4.8

2005-02-26 Thread Jonathan Chen
On Sat, Feb 26, 2005 at 09:06:41PM -0500, Marty Landman wrote:
 At 10:32 AM 2/26/2005, Eric F Crist wrote:
 
 On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 04:16:40PM -0500, Marty Landman wrote:
 
 that the IP address for the 5.3 box gets changed on a fairly regular 
 basis
 [snip]
 The 4.8 box's IP addr has been stable.
 The other thing you could try would be to set a static IP on your 
 workstations...
 
 I just can't help but notice that this is only a problem on my 5.3 box and 
 not on the 4.8. AFAIK the config's are identical, although obviously I am 
 still a newbie at this.

As I said earlier, it has nothing to do with the FreeBSD machines and
everything to do with the DHCP Server.
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Received mail timestamp is off by 7 hours

2005-02-26 Thread Pat Maddox
I've been having a weird problem lately...when I download an email
from my mailserver, the time is off by 7 hours.  For example, if I
receive an email at 9:30pm, it lists the time as 2:30pm in my mail
client.  I've determined that it's just a problem on received
messages, because if I use my client with a different mail server, the
time is fine, and if I send mail to another server, the time is fine. 
It's annoying to me because messages will show up somewhere in the
middle of my 300+ message inbox, and users have been complaining about
it.  What's going on, and how do I fix it?  I'm using postfix and
courier-imap.
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Re: Received mail timestamp is off by 7 hours

2005-02-26 Thread Kent Stewart
On Saturday 26 February 2005 08:38 pm, Pat Maddox wrote:
 I've been having a weird problem lately...when I download an email
 from my mailserver, the time is off by 7 hours.  For example, if I
 receive an email at 9:30pm, it lists the time as 2:30pm in my mail
 client.  I've determined that it's just a problem on received
 messages, because if I use my client with a different mail server,
 the time is fine, and if I send mail to another server, the time is
 fine. It's annoying to me because messages will show up somewhere in
 the middle of my 300+ message inbox, and users have been complaining
 about it.  What's going on, and how do I fix it?  I'm using postfix
 and courier-imap.


For starters, it looks like you are running PDT. You have a -0700 offset 
and it should be -800. It could be on gmail.com but you can test your 
end :). So, I don't have any idea other than type date and see if you 
have the right date and timezone.

Kent

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Re: Received mail timestamp is off by 7 hours

2005-02-26 Thread Pat Maddox
I forgot to give a bit of info.  My local machine has the correct time
of 10:05PM, and the server has the correct time of 11:05PM.  If I send
an email from a mail account on the server to gmail, it has the
correct time.  If I send an email from gmail back to the server,
that's when it has the weird time offset.


On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 21:00:49 -0800, Kent Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Saturday 26 February 2005 08:38 pm, Pat Maddox wrote:
  I've been having a weird problem lately...when I download an email
  from my mailserver, the time is off by 7 hours.  For example, if I
  receive an email at 9:30pm, it lists the time as 2:30pm in my mail
  client.  I've determined that it's just a problem on received
  messages, because if I use my client with a different mail server,
  the time is fine, and if I send mail to another server, the time is
  fine. It's annoying to me because messages will show up somewhere in
  the middle of my 300+ message inbox, and users have been complaining
  about it.  What's going on, and how do I fix it?  I'm using postfix
  and courier-imap.
 
 
 For starters, it looks like you are running PDT. You have a -0700 offset
 and it should be -800. It could be on gmail.com but you can test your
 end :). So, I don't have any idea other than type date and see if you
 have the right date and timezone.
 
 Kent
 
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Re: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread John
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:41:51 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote

 But I figured that if I always pull the index from an FTP site, it's
 guaranteed to be up to date.  Isn't that true?  

It guarantees that the index will be up-to-date [0]. The index is not the port
skeleton.

To be honest, I don't know the depths of how make index works. I just know
that make readmes or portupgrade will complain if I use a refuse file in
/usr/ports/sup and tell me to make index [1]. Beforehand, I used the refuse
file so I didn't have to cvsup stuff I wasn't going to install.

 I'm never going to
 install more than a small fraction of the ports, so putting the 
 entire tree on my site seems wasteful, especially if I have to constantly
 update it. 

I suppose I'm nit-picking here, but you would cron it rather than running it
by hand.

 I do have the tree on my production server, but only because
 I had a lot more disk space to play with.

How much space have you got to play with? If space is tight, running make
distclean after make install helps, as does periodically deleting the contents
of /usr/ports/distfiles

A refuse file would have helped you. Can anyone explain or point to a
reference as to why this no longer works? [2]

[0] if you mean, by pull the index from an ftp site cd /usr/ports  make 
index

[1] this behaviour started happening at 4.10 or thereabouts. I don't know why,
and I haven't had the time to research it.

[2] well, the refuse file works. But the fact that the ports tree has been
altered makes 'make readmes' complain.
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Re: Constant mysterious SCSI errors

2005-02-26 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Feb 26), Anthony Atkielski said:
 I get constant streams of messages concerning my disks on the console
 whenever I have a lot of disk activity on my system (2x SCSI disks,
 no IDE or other disks). I'd very much like to know what's going on
 (there's nothing wrong with the hardware, so either it's a
 configuration problem, or it's a bug).
 
 There doesn't seem to be any data loss or corruption occurring.  I've
 had one or two panics, though (which may or may not have caused data
 loss--it's hard to tell).
 
 While recompiling the kernel, the system stalled periodically (at least
 anything involving disk I/O stalled) and generated several hundred
 kilobytes of messages looking like this:
 
 Feb 26 20:09:23 contactdish kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): Queue Full
 Feb 26 20:09:23 contactdish kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): tagged openings now 64
 Feb 26 20:09:23 contactdish kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): Retrying Command

Try lowering the max tags for that drive: camcontrol tags da0 -N 32. 
If that works, you can stick it in rc.local, or add an entry to the
xpt_quirk_table[] in /sys/cam/cam_xpt.c .  It probably needs something
similar to the quantum quirk lines.

 In addition, I sometimes get bursts of much longer messages, looking
 something like this:
 
 Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: ahc0: Recovery Initiated
 Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel:  Dump Card State Begins 
 
 Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel:  Dump Card State Ends 
 
 Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: (da1:ahc0:0:2:0): SCB 0x49 - timed out
 Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: sg[0] - Addr 0x1309b000 : Length 2048
 Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: (da1:ahc0:0:2:0): Queuing a BDR SCB
 Feb 25 20:09:29 contactdish kernel: ahc0: Timedout SCBs already complete. 
 Interrupts may not be functioning.

I never know what to look for in this output, but most of the time, I
think it's a cabling or termination problem.  Reseat all the plugs :)

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FW: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:41:51 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote
 
 
 How much space have you got to play with? If space is tight,
 running make
 distclean after make install helps, as does periodically
 deleting the contents
 of /usr/ports/distfiles
 
 A refuse file would have helped you. Can anyone explain or point to a
 reference as to why this no longer works? [2]


I brought this issue up a month or so ago.  The problem was caused
by during the 4.11 development the ports people decided it was to
cpu intensive to do nightly builds of the INDEX file.  So they stopped
doing it.  Later on when the release was done what should have been
done wnen making up the CD is they should have done a make index first,
then copied the files to the CD.

Ted
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RE: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?

2005-02-26 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jon Drews writes:
 
 If you think the FreeBSD community is a nightmare then why are you
 sticking around except to stir up strife ?
 
 It's the closest thing to support available for FreeBSD.  There's
 nothing else. 
 
 I do note, however, that only about 10% of my questions to the list
 actually generate useful answers.  The other questions either get no
 replies at all, or vague replies that really aren't useful, or pure
 guesses.  One gets the impression that nobody really knows anything
 about FreeBSD, or, if anybody does, he never replies to this list.
 

That is bullshit.  Take your recent request regarding firefox.  I told
you exactly how to do it - install ports, run portupgrade, then make
install in the firefox directory.

I did exactly that Monday evening on a system I was setting up and it
worked perfectly.

I also told you not to screw with the precompiled firefox package, and
you did it anyway, and you had problems.

 Indeed, the only messages that generate replies are those that suggest
 that FreeBSD is anything other than sweetness and light.  Serious
 questions about how to use the software are met by a deafening
 silence in too many cases. 
 
 That's why I say what I do on my Web site.  Anyone thinking of running
 FreeBSD in a production environment needs on-site experts to deal with
 it, because they'll never get any help from anywhere else.

Untrue.  There's many of the core team that make a living consulting
with FreeBSD and that has been going on for years.

What you really mean to say is that they will never get any CHEAP help
from anywhere else, whereas with Windows since it's common as dogshit,
there's enough activity in the huge number of Windows forums that 
your bound to run across the answer to your question, for free, if you
fish around for it long enough.

Ted
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RE: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?

2005-02-26 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And in cases where I've needed support, the very extensive knowledge
 base that Microsoft maintains has been useful.  It's pretty lame in an
 absolute sense, but it's much better than anything that other vendors
 provide (although HP comes close, and probably matches it for
 hardware).

Cisco's online knowledgebase is far superior.

Ted
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RE: Installation instructions for Firefox somewhere?

2005-02-26 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Chris writes:

 This is simple. As someone has pointed out before, you need cvsup the
 ports tree then a portupgrade. Yes, after the cvsup and portupgrade
 you will have 1.0.1

 There is no ports tree on the machine, so it cannot be out of date.
 Isn't the index downloaded from the FTP site each time I start
 sysinstall always up to date?

Yes, but THAT index your looking at is only for the PRECOMPILED
programs -
the packages.  These are not updated except right before a release.

The ports uses a different INDEX.

 If not, how can I update something that
 isn't even on my system?

For the absolute vast majority of software packages that are covered by
the ports tree, the ports tree that is installed from the FreeBSD
cdrom's or distribution is adequate.  You can just make install right out
of that tree with no problem.

Firefox is different because it has not been out long and still is
undergoing
a lot of development by the Mozilla people.  As a result the port for it
changes quite a lot.

Ted

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Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?

2005-02-26 Thread Timothy Smith
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

Jon Drews writes:
   

If you think the FreeBSD community is a nightmare then why are you
sticking around except to stir up strife ?
 

It's the closest thing to support available for FreeBSD.  There's
nothing else. 

I do note, however, that only about 10% of my questions to the list
actually generate useful answers.  The other questions either get no
replies at all, or vague replies that really aren't useful, or pure
guesses.  One gets the impression that nobody really knows anything
about FreeBSD, or, if anybody does, he never replies to this list.
   

That is bullshit.  Take your recent request regarding firefox.  I told
you exactly how to do it - install ports, run portupgrade, then make
install in the firefox directory.
I did exactly that Monday evening on a system I was setting up and it
worked perfectly.
I also told you not to screw with the precompiled firefox package, and
you did it anyway, and you had problems.
 

Indeed, the only messages that generate replies are those that suggest
that FreeBSD is anything other than sweetness and light.  Serious
questions about how to use the software are met by a deafening
silence in too many cases. 

That's why I say what I do on my Web site.  Anyone thinking of running
FreeBSD in a production environment needs on-site experts to deal with
it, because they'll never get any help from anywhere else.
   

Untrue.  There's many of the core team that make a living consulting
with FreeBSD and that has been going on for years.
What you really mean to say is that they will never get any CHEAP help
from anywhere else, whereas with Windows since it's common as dogshit,
there's enough activity in the huge number of Windows forums that 
your bound to run across the answer to your question, for free, if you
fish around for it long enough.

Ted
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i've had everything i've ever asked about answered by multiple people, 
quickly and they have all be very insightful answers.
what the parent poster needs to look at it not the quality of the 
answers, but the quality of his questions.
no one is going to waste time deciphering some vague question like  
freebsd doesn't work help me
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