Re: Hi All + Technical question

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> > However, this time I think i got the bull by the horns! I've
> > migrated all my stuff from linux to BSD

hello riaan,

congratulations and welcome to freebsd!

> > just a couple of outstanding issues. Ie. KDM/GDM needs to work
> > properly, as other people use my machine for an X server.

the handbook is very much your friend.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-xdm.html

google.com/bsd and onlamp.com/pub/q/all_bsd_articles are too.

> > And i am currently still sorting out mailman with postfix. Which was
> > my own fault as to why it's not working.

this isn't a question, is it?

> > And second I dunno how many of you use gkrellm in windowmaker but, i
> > can't get it to appear on every work space. This I am sure, is a
> > real dumb thing on my part because i feel it must be something
> > really simple.

right click on top of gkrellm to access configuration
general > properties tab > set sticky state

don't know about your card.  hopefully another reader will.  in the
meantime, check the mailing lists, google, etc.

hope that this helps.


cheers,
epi

p.s.   1) please wrap your lines around 70-75 characters.
2) help enrich our mailing list archives:
* use descriptive subject lines.
* cover one topic per mail.
   makes it easier for everyone to find answers to questions.   ;)
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Re: security logs being mailed to root

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On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:06:03 -0500
sn1tch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:34:36 -0600, Kevin Kinsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > >On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 08:59:45AM -0500, sn1tch wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>When I ran FBSD 5.2.1 I used to get the daily, weekly, and monthly
> > >>security logs and such mailed to root...now since I did a clean
> > >>install with 5.3 I no longer get anything, when I log in I have no
> > >>mail...what gives? I enjoyed reading them .. is there a way to get
> > >>that functionality back?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Thanks,
> > >>Joe
> > >>
> > >>
> > >5.3 also does this by default.  Are you sure your computer
> > >is turned on at the times these mails are sent, in /etc/crontab?
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > And ...
> > 
> > If the logs and such exist, then syslogd is probably OK.  Otherwise
> > check syslogd first.
> > 
> > Next, make sure that crond is running.  Don't know why it wouldn't
> > be, be might as well check.
> > 
> > Then, check sendmail.  Depending on settings, this might be the
> > issue.  If syslogd is working as expected, you should find a note
> > in /var/mail/maillog (about 3:0x a.m. system time) that shows a mail
> > going to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".
> > 
> > Which brings us to /etc/mail/aliases.  Is the alias for "root"
pointing
> > to your email address?
> > 
> > I'm sure there's stuff I may have missed as well, but here's the
start
> > of a debug checklist.
> > 
> > HTH,
> > 
> > Kevin Kinsey
> 
> Crontab doesnt have any listings and rc.conf shows this...
> 
> sendmail_enable="NONE"
> syslogd_flags="-ss"

a) jsyk, the prefered syntax has switched from 'NONE' to what is
currently described in 'man rc.sendmail'

b) see the last e-mail I sent you for two solutions to this issue.


hth,
epi

> and in /etc/periodic there are dail weekly monthly and security
> folders. I chose not to build sendmail at all, or any type of mail
> server for that matter, but why would that affect it because a friend
> of mine has a fresh install of 5.3 and he gets the logs, no problems.
> Would a specific option in a custom kernel cause it to not send.
> 
> syslog.conf shows
> 
> security.*  /var/log/security
> 
> is there anything else I can show you guys/girls to help out?
> 
> Thanks for the help
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Re: security logs being mailed to root

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On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:08:41 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 08:59:45AM -0500, sn1tch wrote:
> > When I ran FBSD 5.2.1 I used to get the daily, weekly, and monthly
> > security logs and such mailed to root...now since I did a clean
> > install with 5.3 I no longer get anything, when I log in I have no
> > mail...what gives? I enjoyed reading them .. is there a way to get
> > that functionality back?


yet another possibility is that you have chosen not to build sendmail.
if such is the case, you must either properly configure your MTA to
handle this responsibility OR send the desired output directly to logs.

for the former, i believe that the freebsd.org/handbook is a good
reference.

for the later, the following thread should get you started.

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-September/059687.html


> 5.3 also does this by default.  Are you sure your computer is turned
> on at the times these mails are sent, in /etc/crontab? 
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Re: portupgrade wrecked gnome!!! ~>8-(

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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:58:50 -0800
"Karl Agee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Here is my tale of woe.
> 
> Freebsd 4.11-stable.  I upgraded my ports using portupgrade -arR after
> cvsuping and make fetchindex and portsdb -u.  Things worked, so I went
> out and did portupgrade.
> 
> But my gnome-2.8.2 install is hosed.  It starts but gives me no
> taskbars or button bars.  Just little iconlets--one on the top, the
> "quicklaunch toolbar" for a few apps I had in it, and a little
> something at the bottom which I cannot figure out what it is supposed
> to be.
> 
> I tried doing a  make deinstall of gnome and cleared everything out of
> ports/distfiles.  But it didnt require anything new I imagine all it
> needed is still laying around here, broken.
> 
> SO, my friends, I would like to get my gnome install back
> 
> --karl


http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq28.html

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Re: How can I cut and paste from xterm _into_ another program ? (NOTE - I am not an IDIOT)

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:36:30 -0800 (PST)
Joe Schmoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Hmmm...so instead of actually reading my post, several
> folks have responded ... presumably just looking at
> the words "cut" and "paste" in my post and responding
> with a tutorial on how to use my mouse buttons. 
> Thanks.
> 
> So I'll start all over.
> 
> I am running X on fbsd 5.3, with ratpoison as my
> window manager.  I only run two apps - xterms (1 or 2
> or 3 of them) and opera (my web browser).
> 
> I can cut text in my xterms by simply highlighting it,
> and I can paste that text back into that xterm, or a
> different xterm by clicking my right mouse button.  So
> yes, I know how to cut and paste thank you very much.
> 
> I can also cut and paste in opera by selecting text
> and choosing edit->copy from the menu - I can then
> paste that text back into opera with edit->paste, or
> shift+insert, and FURTHER, I can paste that text into
> any of my xterms, with shift+insert OR with my right
> mouse button.
> 
> THE PROBLEM IS, if I cut text in an xterm, I cannot
> paste it in opera.  That is the only problem.
> 
> So to recap, I know how to cut and paste - thanks.  No
> need for the mouse button tutorials.  All I want to
> know is, why can I not properly cut and paste from
> xterm TO opera, when I can already do it successfully
> gtom opera TO xterm ?

i believe that, despite your negative opinion of the replies (yes, one
or two were off), you have had your answer at least a few times.

1) highlight desired text in *term.
2) switch to opera
3) middle click (either you have a dedicated middle button or you click
both simultaneously)

works here.

please confirm that you have tried this -- from the messages i've seen
(quite possibly not all), you have not yet.  you've only said that you
'know how'.

if this does not work, you may have a mouse driver issue.  we can
continue troubleshooting this, after eliminating the known working
method.


hth,
epi
 
> Thanks.  Hopefully anyone responding will actually
> read the post this time.

P.S.  no need to be quite so snarky.  if you are in the future,
hopefully people will not bother to offer their help (even if they do
get it wrong sometimes).  lighten up.

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Re: Portupgrading - portauditing

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> I finally gave up and deleted the db at
> /var/db/portaudit/auditfile.tbz and then did the upgrade.
> 
> It still flags firefox as a vulnerability, even though the problem it
> references is supposed to be explicitly fixed in the version I have
> installed (window injection vulnerability).
> 
> Of course, you can the method described by another poster to get that
> list, but I haven't been able to get portaudit to actually let me
> upgrade.  Even the portupgrade -f flag won't work and simply building
> the port manually is also disabled for flagged ports.
> 
> Portaudit seems more a hard lockdown than a warning system.  I think
> either I am not understanding how to manage it yet, or it has a couple
> issues that have not been hammered out yet.  Manpages don't have much
> detail about this issue.  I haven't had a chance to check on the
> existence of a bug report yet, because I want to hunt down all the
> docs I can first.

no need to fiddle with portaudit, as these can be fed directly to make
or to portupgrade (with the -m flag).

building ports despite vulnerabilities:
-DDISABLE_VULNERABILITIES

building ports despite ignore:
-DNO_IGNORE

to my knowledge, these are not yet documented anywhere but here in the
mailing lists.  i believe that the doc project is already looking to
integrate this info into the ports manpage (or somewhere else equally
sensible).

on the off chance that they lost sight of this target, i'm adding them
to cc.   (:  thank you docs team  :)

hth.


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Re: Updating Ports

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:17:09 -0600
"Cody Holland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> After running cvsup, I then ran portdb -Uu and received the following
> error.
> 
> Updating the ports index ... Generating INDEX.tmp - please
> wait..gnustep-slideshow-0.3: "/usr/ports/graphics/slideshowkit"
> non-existent -- dependency list incomplete
> ===> graphics/gnustep-slideshow failed
> *** Error code 1
> 1 error
> 
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/ports.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/ports.
> failed to generate INDEX!
> portsdb: index generation error
> 
> How do I fix this?

hello cody,

note:  this is not a fix, but an alternative:

rather than building your copy of INDEX locally, you can

cd /usr/ports && make fetchindex

this will download a precompiled copy INDEX.  while this one is not
guaranteed to *exactly* match your local tree (although it might), it is
sufficiently fresh that you are not likely to bump into any INDEX
related problems.  if i had to guess as to its reliability, i would
say that it works 99.978592% of the time.

this precompiled copy is rebuilt by the servers every 2 hours (or less),
so if you ever do bump into a problem, you can just wait a bit and pull
down a newer version (or build it locally).

the advantage you ask?  well, downloading the INDEX takes only the time
required for your connection to pull down a ~700 k file, whereas
building INDEX locally usually takes 30-60 minutes, not to mention,
quite a few CPU cycles.

anyhoo.  food for thought.


cheers,
epi

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Re: Broken shell - I can't login at all

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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:57:28 -0800
Jeff BSD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi-
> I'm in the process of upgrading a 4.6 system to 5.3.  When I boot the
> machine it gets to:
> 
> 
> init: bin/sh on /etc/rc terminated abnormally, going to single user
> mode
> Enter root password, or ^D to go multi-user
> Password:
> 
> 
> I enter the password, then:
> 
> 
> Enter full pathname of shell of RETURN for /bin/sh:
> pid # (sh), uid 0: exited on signal 12
> init: bin/sh on /etc/rc terminated abnormally, going to single user
> mode
> Enter root password, or ^D to go multi-user
> Password:
> 
> 
> Round and round I go.
> 
> Sounds like I broke /bin/sh to me.  I've messed around in safe mode
> but I can't see how I can use it to possibly fix my problem, assuming
> I did do anything to /bin/sh (which I don't think I did -
> intentionally/directly that is).
> 
> How do I fix it so I can boot it?  A bit of the chicken and the egg,
> what?

hello jeff,

please see if it will accept /rescue/sh (the statically compiled rescue
binary)

gl,
epi

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Re: xhost +localhost

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On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:43:39 +0100
Gert Cuykens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:32:23 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > While all of this is very interesting academic, if user Gert is dumb
> > enough to leave the console of his UNIX system accessible then user
> > Ted can come along and power cycle it into single user mode and wipe
> > his disks whether he has the root password or not.

While i quite agree with Ted's encouraging Gert to run X as joe user,
rather than root (for a variety of security related reasons) it is a
trivial matter implement a password requirement for boot -s.  This way,
even if a user can boot -s, they *must* have the root passwd.

This implementation does mean, however, that you should not forget the
root passwd, for if you do forget, you will not be able to reset it
via boot -s and passwd.

/etc/ttys

# If console is marked "insecure", then init will ask for the root
# password when going to single-user mode.

console none unknownoff insecure

my 2 cents CAD for the day.


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Fw: rather strange netstat output

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forgot to mention -- 5.3-RELEASE-p2

---

hello all,

4500 (steady) though 5500 (peak) is the usual transfer rate i see with
my 56k winmodem.

just wondering how the throughput below is possible?  (yes, i said
winmodem)  only 1 process is using the connection...

> netstat 1
input(Total)   output
   packets  errs  bytespackets  errs  bytes colls
13 0  11604  7 0424 0
14 0  14549  7 0428 0
12 0  12912  8 0484 0
13 0  13005  8 0484 0
14 0  15664  8 0488 0
12 0  12150  8 0484 0
14 0  14216  6 0372 0
 7 0   7445  6 0360 0
14 0  13185  8 0484 0
13 0  13029  8 0484 0
15 0  14415  8 0488 0
13 0  13079  7 0428 0
14 0  13319  9 0544 0
13 0  13049  8 0484 0
13 0  13461  7 0424 0
11 0  11882  6 0368 0
14 0  14216  7 0428 0
15 0  14640  9 0544 0
14 0  14543  8 0492 0
15 0  15716  8 0496 0
15 0  17164  7 0432 0
13 0  12964  7 0436 0
16 0  17216  7 0432 0
12 0  12912  7 0432 0
12 0  12912  5 0312 0
17 0  17335  9 0552 0
15 0  17164  8 0492 0
17 0  17431  9 0552 0
15 0  16037  8 0496 0
16 0  17216  9 0552 0
16 0  17216  8 0496 0
15 0  15716  7 0436 0
17 0  17346  9 0552 0
19 0  17678 11 0664 0
16 0  17216  8 0496 0
16 0  17216  8 0496 0
17 0  17353  9 0552 0
16 0  16173  8 0488 0
16 0  17282  9 0552 0

it doesn't happen all the time.  in fact, rarely even.  however, it
occurs frequently enough for me to ask myself (and you) the question.

is netstat a reliable gauge of transfer speed or should i be using
something else?  am i just lucky sometimes?   ;)

thanks for any clarification.


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rather strange netstat output

[epilogue]

hello all,

4500 (steady) though 5500 (peak) is the usual transfer rate i see with
my 56k winmodem.

just wondering how the throughput below is possible?  (yes, i said
winmodem)  only 1 process is using the connection...

> netstat 1
input(Total)   output
   packets  errs  bytespackets  errs  bytes colls
13 0  11604  7 0424 0
14 0  14549  7 0428 0
12 0  12912  8 0484 0
13 0  13005  8 0484 0
14 0  15664  8 0488 0
12 0  12150  8 0484 0
14 0  14216  6 0372 0
 7 0   7445  6 0360 0
14 0  13185  8 0484 0
13 0  13029  8 0484 0
15 0  14415  8 0488 0
13 0  13079  7 0428 0
14 0  13319  9 0544 0
13 0  13049  8 0484 0
13 0  13461  7 0424 0
11 0  11882  6 0368 0
14 0  14216  7 0428 0
15 0  14640  9 0544 0
14 0  14543  8 0492 0
15 0  15716  8 0496 0
15 0  17164  7 0432 0
13 0  12964  7 0436 0
16 0  17216  7 0432 0
12 0  12912  7 0432 0
12 0  12912  5 0312 0
17 0  17335  9 0552 0
15 0  17164  8 0492 0
17 0  17431  9 0552 0
15 0  16037  8 0496 0
16 0  17216  9 0552 0
16 0  17216  8 0496 0
15 0  15716  7 0436 0
17 0  17346  9 0552 0
19 0  17678 11 0664 0
16 0  17216  8 0496 0
16 0  17216  8 0496 0
17 0  17353  9 0552 0
16 0  16173  8 0488 0
16 0  17282  9 0552 0

it doesn't happen all the time.  in fact, rarely even.  however, it
occurs frequently enough for me to ask myself (and you) the question.

is netstat a reliable gauge of transfer speed or should i be using
something else?  am i just lucky sometimes?   ;)

thanks for any clarification.


cheers,
epi
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Re: how to get it online

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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:00:32 -0600
"Bagus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > The FreeBSD Handbook is a great reference:
> >
> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/
> 
> Yes... there's more information there than I saw on first perusal.
> Thanks, but I'm not out of the woods yet.

since you seem to have missed a few rather important bits of handbook on
your first read, let us check one more.

are you by any chance using a custom kernel?  if so, please confirm that
it includes 'device bpf' (which is essential for DHCP).

hth,
epi
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Re: linux-XFree86-libs-4.3.0_2/linux_base-7.1_7 conflict when upgrading linux-realplayer

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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:57:41 +1030
Ian Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ok, I've delete linux-base, now portupgrade says:
> Stale dependency: linux-realplayer-8.cs2_5 --> linux_base-7.1_7 --
> manually run 'pkgdb -F' to fix, or specify -O to force.
> 
> I'm still have trouble understanding what to do when portupgrade asks
> me this sort thing - well sometimes it's obvious, but often not.
> Should I just use -O or should I fix the dependency?

hello ian,

have a read (or two) of this article.  it may clarify your options
when faced with such a scenario.

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2001/11/29/Big_Scary_Daemons.html

hope this helps.


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Re: make package don't build package

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> pkg_create -- i can't use becose I need create package recursively, 
> but I don't find in man page for this tool options for recursively.

hello again alexandr,

to my knowledge, such a switch does not exist.

you can 'pkg_deinstall -R fooport' and then 'make package fooport' but,
because you'll have to recompile everything, that is probably going to
take quite a bit longer than this other way...

pkg_info -r audacity\*
Information for audacity-1.2.3:

Depends on:
Dependency: pkgconfig-0.15.0_1
Dependency: freetype2-2.1.7_4
Dependency: perl-5.8.5
Dependency: expat-1.95.8
Dependency: fontconfig-2.2.3,1
Dependency: jpeg-6b_3
Dependency: libiconv-1.9.2_1
Dependency: png-1.2.7
Dependency: glib-1.2.10_11
Dependency: imake-6.7.0_2
Dependency: xorg-libraries-6.7.0_3
Dependency: gettext-0.13.1_1
Dependency: libogg-1.1.2,3
Dependency: libvorbis-1.1.0,3
Dependency: libmad-0.15.1b_1
Dependency: libxml2-2.6.16
Dependency: bitstream-vera-1.10
Dependency: tiff-3.7.0_2
Dependency: xorg-fonts-encodings-6.7.0
Dependency: libXft-2.1.6
Dependency: glib-2.4.8
Dependency: xorg-fonts-truetype-6.7.0
Dependency: shared-mime-info-0.15_1
Dependency: gtk-1.2.10_12
Dependency: atk-1.8.0
Dependency: pango-1.6.0
Dependency: hicolor-icon-theme-0.5
Dependency: wxgtk-common-2.4.2_1
Dependency: gtk-2.4.14_1
Dependency: wxgtk2-2.4.2_5

...then simply 'pkg_create -b each_port_listed_above'.  if you are good
with awk/sed (or another scripting language) you should be able to
automate this procedure.

and if you're good at coding, perhaps you'd like to submit a patch for a
switch which enables pkg_create -b work recursively.  (i too wouldn't
mind see that feature added ;)


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Re: make package don't build package

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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:59:30 +
Alexandr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I run FreeBSD 5.3
> I free my ports tree and make this:
> 
> cd /usr/ports/www/audio/mpg123/
> make package
> 
> and get:
> ===>  Installing for mpg123-esound-0.59r_15
> ===>   mpg123-esound-0.59r_15 depends on shared library: esd.2 - found
> ===>   Generating temporary packing list
> ===>  Checking if audio/mpg123 already installed
> ===>   mpg123-esound-0.59r_15 is already installed
>   You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again
>   by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly.
>   If you really wish to overwrite the old port of audio/mpg123
>   without deleting it first, set the variable "FORCE_PKG_REGISTER"
>   in your environment or the "make install" command line.
> *** Error code 1

hello alexandr,

well, the message above is a _pretty_big_hint_.  couple that with the
description of the 'package' target as found in 'man ports'...

Make a binary package for the port.  The port will be installed if it
has not already been.  [snip]

...and you should have a pretty good idea about why 'make package' is
not proceeding.

> Stop in /usr/ports/audio/mpg123.
> 
> I don't understand, in bsd.port.mk wrote 
> # package - Create a package from an _installed_ port.
> but I  installed this package and wont build package
> Why 'make package' make install ???

while the various *.mk are certainly worth a read, i expect that you
will find the ports related man pages to provide clearer and more
thorough descriptions.

in the case of what you're trying to do, check out the pkg_create
manpage (-b in particular).

hope this helps.


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Re: Strange startup behavior on 5.3-release

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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:36:06 -0800
Jim Pazarena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> one would think, or expect, that if you disable sendmail using
> SENDMAIL_ENABLE="NONE", that "NONE" sendmail activity would be
> triggered.
> 
> This seemed to be the way it worked in FreeBSD 4.XX, and altho we
> can live with these changes for 5.XX, is there any where that we
> can read the reasoning for making such a change?

hello jim,

while it may not be exactly what you're looking for, i suggest that
you take a few minutes to review 'man rc.sendmail'.  judging by those
rc variables, it strikes me as a means to allow for greater
flexibility/granularity in the options.

if you spend a little time at sendmail.org, you *may* find an
authoritative answer to your question.


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Re: Messages between dmesg and login

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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 01:56:02 +0300
Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >>> I just couldn't find it, where can I get those
> >>> messages, which come during the boot sequence
> >>> just after white text (kernel) and before "login: "
> >>> prompt. Are they even saved somewhere? I know
> >>> that errors are written to /var/log/messages,
> >>> but I need the exact dump of those messages.
> >>> Should I hack into rc?
> >>
> >> Do you mean what is in: /var/log/dmesg.today
> >> and /var/log/dmesg.yesterday ???
> >>
> >
> > Or perhaps he's looking for what's in /var/run/dmesg.boot?
> 
> No, dmesg contains kernel messages. I want to review
> messages produced by rc(8) at startup. Where/how can
> I get them, please?

hello andrew,

'dmesg -a' will get you that, as well as all console messages since
boot.  ...you may want to run it through a pager.   ;)


cheers,
epi

 
> Best wishes,
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Re: acpi laptop fan control

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On 01 Dec 2004 08:44:37 +0100
Christian Laursen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> epilogue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > i'm hoping that someone here might have a suggestion for a
> > longstanding and nagging little problem - my laptop fan /never/
> > shuts off.
> > 
> > the machine is a Compal N30W, which is the OEM version of the Dell
> > Inspiron 5000.  i'm running 5.3 and have the latest BIOS.

hello christian,

thank you for sharing your solutino.  i gave it a try, but did not
observe any change in behaviour.


everyone, 

i would very much appreciate any other suggestions that might be
offered.  the OP can be found here : 

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-November/066592.html

and here:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/2004-November/005310.html


thanks again,
epi

> I had a similar problem on my old Toshiba Portege 3110CT, which i
> fixed by putting
> 
> hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest=C1
> 
> in /etc/sysctl.conf
> 
> and
> 
> devd_enable="NO"
> 
> in /etc/rc.conf.
> 
> I don't know if it will fix your problem and even on my own laptop
> it's probably not the correct way to fix it, but it works for me. :)
> 
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Re: FreeBSD 5.3 Questions

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On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:13:19 -0800
Jerry Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I just loaded FreeBSD 5.3 a few days ago, and generally things are
> running well, with a few exceptions:

hello jerry,
 
> 1) How do I stop the Sendmail daemons from starting at boot? I have 
>sendmail_enable="NO" set in /etc/rc.conf, but two sendmail
>processes are running after boot.

'man rc.sendmail' -- read it closely -- note that "NONE" works for
the moment, but is deprecated and scheduled to be removed.

> 2) How do I set GCC flags when compiling a port. I added 
>CFLAGS="-O2 -march=pentium3 -pipe" to /etc/make.conf, but
>get an error when building a port. The error is get is
>"env: -pipe No such file or directory"

/usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf may help you here.

> 3) I think I might have a permissions problem in my home directory.
>Certain applications (Firefox and xfce, for exacmple) can't seem to
>write files under my home directory. I can create files using an
>editor, and download files, but these two applications fail when
>trying to modify their configuration options.

it would have been very helpful for you to post the perms you have. 
these work for my $HOME --> drwxr-xr-x

> 4) I installed portupgrade from the port, and built the database using
> 
>'pkgdb -f', but whenever I run portupgrade or portversion, it
>displays a message "Generating INDEX.tmp - please wait.." and hangs
>there forever. How do I fix this?

it probably isn't hanging, but actually generating a new INDEX for you. 
solutions to this have been discussed ad nauseum in several of mailing
lists.

1) get used to reading /usr/ports/UPDATING (you'll find your
solution in the entry dated 20041115)

2) when you have a problem with ports, check UPDATING.  if that
yields nothing, check the mailing list archives (lists.freebsd.org
or, my prefered interface, freebsd.rambler.ru)

hope this helps.


cheers,
epi

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acpi laptop fan control

[epilogue]

hello all,

i'm hoping that someone here might have a suggestion for a longstanding
and nagging little problem - my laptop fan /never/ shuts off.

the machine is a Compal N30W, which is the OEM version of the Dell
Inspiron 5000.  i'm running 5.3 and have the latest BIOS.

from what i've read, it is supposed to be a green fan, which means that
it should adapt to the temperature of the machine.  off when not needed
and up through various speeds when required.  i've noted at least two
settings: 1. low, the constant (and irritating) whir and 2. high, when
the temperature jumps during heavy use.

i tried force a state change with sysctl, but as you can see, the change
is denied:

# sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active=0
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active: -1 -> -1

# sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active=1
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active: -1 -> -1

have also tried forcing a change through sysctl.conf (and loader.conf)
then a reboot, but neither manages to change the state from -1.

these are new features and the man pages only have so much to offer. 
hopefully, someone will have a suggestion.

thanks for your time.


cheers,
epi

--
> sysctl -a | grep -i acpi
--

  acpibatt 2 1K  1K2  16
  acpidev59 2K  2K   59  32
  acpisem18 2K  2K   18  64
 acpitask 0 0K  1K64938  16,32
   acpica  163587K 91K   904153 
16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048 kern.timecounter.hardware: ACPI-safe
kern.timecounter.choice: TSC(800) ACPI-safe(1000) i8254(0)
dummy(-100) debug.acpi.acpi_ca_version: 0x20040527
debug.acpi.semaphore_debug: 0
hw.acpi.supported_sleep_state: S1 S3 S4 S5
hw.acpi.power_button_state: S5
hw.acpi.sleep_button_state: S1
hw.acpi.lid_switch_state: NONE
hw.acpi.standby_state: S1
hw.acpi.suspend_state: S3
hw.acpi.sleep_delay: 1
hw.acpi.s4bios: 0
hw.acpi.verbose: 1
hw.acpi.reset_video: 1
hw.acpi.cpu.throttle_max: 8
hw.acpi.cpu.throttle_state: 8
hw.acpi.cpu.cx_supported: C1/0 C2/10
hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest: C2
hw.acpi.cpu.cx_usage: 0.22% 99.77%
hw.acpi.thermal.min_runtime: 0
hw.acpi.thermal.polling_rate: 10
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 3330
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active: -1
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.thermal_flags: 0
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV: 3590
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT: -1
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT: 3880
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._ACx: 3530 3470 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
hw.acpi.battery.life: 100
hw.acpi.battery.time: -1
hw.acpi.battery.state: 0
hw.acpi.battery.units: 2
hw.acpi.battery.info_expire: 5
hw.acpi.acline: 1
machdep.acpi_timer_freq: 3579545
machdep.acpi_root: 1012160
dev.acpi.0.%desc: COMPAL N30W   
dev.acpi.0.%driver: acpi
dev.acpi_sysresource.0.%desc: System Resource
dev.acpi_sysresource.0.%driver: acpi_sysresource
dev.acpi_sysresource.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.MEM_
dev.acpi_sysresource.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=PNP0C01 _UID=0
dev.acpi_sysresource.0.%parent: acpi0
dev.acpi_sysresource.1.%desc: System Resource
dev.acpi_sysresource.1.%driver: acpi_sysresource
dev.acpi_sysresource.1.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.PX40.MOTH
dev.acpi_sysresource.1.%pnpinfo: _HID=PNP0C02 _UID=0
dev.acpi_sysresource.1.%parent: acpi0
dev.acpi_ec.0.%desc: Embedded Controller: GPE 0x9
dev.acpi_ec.0.%driver: acpi_ec
dev.acpi_ec.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.PX40.EC0_
dev.acpi_ec.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=PNP0C09 _UID=0
dev.acpi_ec.0.%parent: acpi0
dev.acpi_timer.0.%desc: 24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz
dev.acpi_timer.0.%driver: acpi_timer
dev.acpi_timer.0.%location: unknown
dev.acpi_timer.0.%pnpinfo: unknown
dev.acpi_timer.0.%parent: acpi0
dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU (3 Cx states)
dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0
dev.acpi_tz.0.%desc: Thermal Zone
dev.acpi_tz.0.%driver: acpi_tz
dev.acpi_tz.0.%location: handle=\_TZ_.THRM
dev.acpi_tz.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0
dev.acpi_tz.0.%parent: acpi0
dev.acpi_lid.0.%desc: Control Method Lid Switch
dev.acpi_lid.0.%driver: acpi_lid
dev.acpi_lid.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.LID_
dev.acpi_lid.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=PNP0C0D _UID=0
dev.acpi_lid.0.%parent: acpi0
dev.acpi_lid.0.wake: 1
dev.acpi_cmbat.0.%desc: Control Method Battery
dev.acpi_cmbat.0.%driver: acpi_cmbat
dev.acpi_cmbat.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.BAT0
dev.acpi_cmbat.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=PNP0C0A _UID=1
dev.acpi_cmbat.0.%parent: acpi0
dev.acpi_cmbat.1.%desc: Control Method Battery
dev.acpi_cmbat.1.%driver: acpi_cmbat
dev.acpi_cmbat.1.%location: handle=\_SB_.BAT1
dev.acpi_cmbat.1.%pnpinfo: _HID=PNP0C0A _UID=2
dev.acpi_cmbat.1.%parent: acpi0
dev.acpi_acad.0.%desc: AC Adapter
dev.acpi_acad.0.%driver: acpi_acad
dev.acpi_acad.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.AC__
dev.acpi_acad.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=ACPI0003 _UID=0
dev.acpi_acad.0.%parent: acpi0
dev.pcib.0.%desc: ACPI Host-PCI bridge
dev.pcib.0.%parent: acpi0
dev.pcib.1.%desc: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge
dev.pci.0.%desc: ACPI PCI bus
dev.pci.1.%desc: ACPI PCI bus
dev.acpi_button.0.%desc: Power Button
dev.acpi_button.0.%driver: acpi_button
dev.acpi_button.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PWRB
dev.acpi_button.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=PNP0C0C _UID=0
dev.acpi_button.0

Re: NEW: cannot ssh to my computer

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:37:19 -0500
Ivan Georgiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > > Just another thing ...
> > >
> > > If I remove myself from the group wheel then I CAN ssh to my
> > > computer; if I put myself back to wheel - then CANNOT ssh to the
> > > computer.
> > >
> > > How can I ssh and be a member of the wheel group?
> >
> > hello ivan,
> >
> > it might be worth your while to check /etc/login.access to see if
> > you have refused remote logins by wheel.
> >
> > hth,
> > epi
> 
> Thank you so very much Epi !!!
> 
> I guess I have put this
> -:wheel:ALL EXCEPT LOCAL
> in /etc/login.access but had no recollection of doing it. After
> commenting it out the problem is gone.

hello again ivan,

fwiw, your 'problem' may actually be better than your 'solution'.  with
all the script kiddies who are running ssh brute force attempts against
the root user account (check your logs), it is wise to use 'su' or
'sudo' to elevate your priveleges on that box, rather than logging in
as root.

naturally, you can harden ssh somewhat and even restrict logins by
ip addy in login.access, but if you're not doing that, i humbly suggest
that you think twice about enabling root ssh to your box.


cheers,
epi


> Many thanks to all that helped solving my "mysterious"/trivial problem
> !
> 
> Regards,
> Ivan
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Re: NEW: cannot ssh to my computer

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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 00:05:33 -0500
Ivan Georgiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Just another thing ...
> 
> If I remove myself from the group wheel then I CAN ssh to my computer;
> if I put myself back to wheel - then CANNOT ssh to the computer.
> 
> How can I ssh and be a member of the wheel group?

hello ivan,

it might be worth your while to check /etc/login.access to see if you 
have refused remote logins by wheel. 

hth,
epi

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Re: World Clock "timezones"

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On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:01:26 -0800 (PST)
borg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> I'm looking for a world clock that helps me keep track
> of time in different cities by showing me clocks for
> multiple time zones. Preferably under X if not I don't
> mind using a non-GUI based application.
> 
> I searched the /usr/ports for the string "clock" &
> "timezone" but nothing from the description seems
> relevant to what I want.
> 
> Any help is appreciated.
 
if you don't mind dockapps, you could look into x11-clocks/wmtz 
 
> =
> regards,
> 
> "UNIX, it's a way of life."
> 
> 
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Re: 5.2.1, installed Mozilla -- X reverses background colors when used!!

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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:30:43 -0700 (PDT)
Bill Schoolcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At Fri, 29 Oct 2004 it looks like epilogue composed:
> 
> > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:59:52 -0700 (PDT)
> > Bill Schoolcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > At Fri, 29 Oct 2004 it looks like Volker Eckert composed:
> > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 05:57:59AM -0700, Bill Schoolcraft
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > ...
> > > > > I have run 5.2.1 successfully on many machines and X is
> > > > > actually working fine except when I use Mozilla as installed
> > > > > from ports.
> > > > >
> > > > > The whole background turns into a "negative" and so does the
> > > > > Mozilla browser.  All returns to normal once I exit Mozilla.
> > >
> > > I may go and install 4.10 and see what happens.  4.10 failed to
> > > install when the installation kernel hit the parallel port...
> > > Install/Kernel just wedged shut.
> >
> > have you considered installing moz via packages?
> 
> Hmm, actually no.  I was always feeling pretty safe using the
> "ports" system.  Aren't they the same packages?

it would be a quick way to test a binary that is 'supposed' to work. 
pehaps, you compiled your port with strange options (on the CLI or via
make.conf or even pkgtools.conf)

fwiw, trying a pkg is probably easier than reinstalling your system.

also, you might want cause the problem again, then check your /var/logs
to see if anything interesting shows up in either Xorg.0.log,
console.log, messages.log...

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Re: 5.2.1, installed Mozilla -- X reverses background colors when used!!

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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:59:52 -0700 (PDT)
Bill Schoolcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At Fri, 29 Oct 2004 it looks like Volker Eckert composed:
> 
> > On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 05:57:59AM -0700, Bill Schoolcraft wrote:
> > > ...
> > > I have run 5.2.1 successfully on many machines and X is actually
> > > working fine except when I use Mozilla as installed from ports.
> > >
> > > The whole background turns into a "negative" and so does the
> > > Mozilla browser.  All returns to normal once I exit Mozilla.
>
> I may go and install 4.10 and see what happens.  4.10 failed to
> install when the installation kernel hit the parallel port...
> Install/Kernel just wedged shut.

have you considered installing moz via packages?
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Re: FreeBSD 5.2.1 / XFree86 4.3 .0 on Dell Inspiron 5000

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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:41:00 -0700 (PDT)
orig injun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I am wondering if somebody can help me get X up and running on
> > my Dell Inspiron 5000 Laptop. 

hello,

most likely.  it has been running just fine on mine for years now.
 
> > After installing the OS and X, I generated XF86Config using
> > XFree86 -configure. I am attaching the file below. When I
> > run 'startx' with this configuration file in /etc/X11, the
> > machine just hangs. 
> > 
> > The console shows:
> > xauth: (argv):1: bad display name "machinename:0" in "list" 
> > command
> >
> > xauth: (stdin):2: bad display name "machinename:0" in "add"
> > command

i haven't bumped into either of these errors before, but whenever i'm in
doubt, i google.  did you?

http://www.google.ca/search?q=xauth:+(argv):1:+bad+display+name&sourceid=opera&num=30&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

just from a cursory glance at the hits, methinks your 'hostname' might
be the issue.

> > followed by XFree86 and FreeBSD version information
> > before it freezes. Nothing gets written to XFree86.0.log
> > 
> > I am running FreeBSD 5.2.1 Release #0 as downloaded from
> > freebsd.org. The XFree86 version that comes with this is
> > 4.3.0 released on 27 February 2003. The machine itself is
> > a 500Mhz PIII laptop with 256MB or RAM. Is X supposed to
> > work with this configuration. If so, could somebody tell
> > me what I am doing wrong or send me a good XF86Config 
> > file.
> > 
> > My only alternative would be to try Linux (Fedora 2 or 
> > Gentoo) but I would much prefer to stick with FreeBSD
> > if I can.

well, you most certainly can go that route, if you prefer not to
research the problem.  however, keep in mind that X is X, regardless of
the platform upon which you decide to plop it.  in other words, good
luck with that solution.

at any rate, i hope that this gets you moving in the right direction.


cheers,
epi

p.s. there are much newer versions of XFree and Xorg.  both are
shipped with an autoconfigure tool.  is there any reason you've
decided not to run those?
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Re: 5.3 Release

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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:01:28 -0400 (EDT)
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> also having to update ports as I'm finding some stuff no longer
> works.

it sounds as though you might want to get into the habit of reading both
/usr/src/UPDATING (every sup of source) and /usr/ports/UPDATING (every
sup of ports) in order to both understand and be prepared to manage such
issues.

cheers,
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Re: Ports Improvements

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> > This makes it easier to choice an older version if the
> > latest has some bugs not worked out yet.

if you often find yourself longing for an older version, you
might find it worthwhile to familiarise yourself with
/usr/ports/sysutils/portdowngrade(yes, downgrade)

piece of cake to install (naturally) and also to use.
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Re: OOo-1.1.3

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:03:54 +0200
dick hoogendijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I downloaded the OOo-1.1.3_nl package yesterday and wanted to
> install it like I did the previous version.
> I was very surprised to see that it did *not* wanted to install with a
> pkg_add onto my freebsd-4.10p3 system. It was made dependend on de
> X.Org libraries and such is not what you'de expect for a 4.10 system,
> right? OK if it were 5.3; X.Org is default on that, I'm told, but hey,
> not everyone has made the changes to xorg..

hello lee, included you bc step 3 (below) may help to make OO run more
smoothly those few odd times that you do use it.

hello dick,

[snip from previous reply to similar question]

until such time as other packages are made available, you can try what i
have done in the past - installing OO despite having the wrong X server.
this method has been successful for me numerous times:

1) download the pkg for your system

2) pkg_add -f openoffice-[ver] 

3) pkgdb -Fu# almost all the xorg/xfree pieces have very similar
names, so selecting the correct dependency is straightforward.  only
with XFree86-fontScalable might you have to make a choice between
Type1 or TrueType.  both seem to work, but with slightly different
results (i'm not sure which is best and don't much care - but if you
read-up on it, you should be able to figure it out).

4) start openoffice and enjoy.

> Which leads me to another question: would this behaviour of deps on
> X.Org become 'normal' in the future? Is it really worthwhile to make
> the switch to X.Org in favor of XFree86-4.4? The latter runs smoothly
> on my fbsd-4.10 Will X.Org be better??? I checked the net for
> information but both parties don't mention eachothers pro's/contra's

while xorg is now default on 5.3, what they will do with 4.11 is
unclear (at least to me).  either system (xorg/xfree) will work and
both should be available via ports for the forseeable future.  in short,
it is a matter of preference (or features) -- and a decision which is
entirely up to you.   =]


hth,
epi

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Re: Java under Opera 7.54?

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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:28:32 -0700
"Kevin Glick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> I've been using Opera exclusively for a couple years under FreeBSD,
> and prefer it to all other browsers.  With that said, I've had more
> success running the linux-opera port.  With it and the Linux versions
> of java, flash and Acroread, it's the best I've found.

a hearty +1

this said, at http://my.opera.com/forums you will find good archives and
a very friendly and helpful community.  there is even an 'opera for
freebsd' forum which, though a bit quiet compared to the others, is the
perfect place to add your voice, if you're disappointed in native
opera's java performance.

> 
> 
> Kevin Glick
> ITS Manager
> Sterling Business Forms
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Re: Mounting data CD

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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:17:02 -0400
Steven Friedrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm trying to mount a data CD as a normal user.  It works fine as
> root, but I want average users to be able to do it.
> 
> Here's the session:
> % mount_cd9660 /dev/acd0c /cdrom
> mount_cd9660: /dev/acd0c: Operation not permitted
> % mount_cd9660 /dev/acd0c /mnt
> mount_cd9660: /dev/acd0c: Operation not permitted
> 
> I noticed in dev:
> % ll /dev/*cd*
> crw-rw-rw-  4 root  operator  117,   0 Oct 16 19:14 /dev/acd0a
> crw-rw-rw-  4 root  operator  117,   0 Oct 16 19:14 /dev/acd0c
> crw-rw-rw-  1 root  operator  117,   8 Jun 15  2003 /dev/acd1c
> crwxrwxrwx  2 root  operator   15,   0 Oct 16 19:14 /dev/cd0a
> crwxrwxrwx  2 root  operator   15,   2 Oct 16 19:14 /dev/cd0c
> crw-r-  2 root  operator   29,   0 Oct 16 19:14 /dev/mcd0a
> crw-r-  2 root  operator   29,   2 Oct 16 19:14 /dev/mcd0c
> crw-rw-rw-  4 root  operator  117,   0 Oct 16 19:14 /dev/racd0a
> crw-rw-rw-  4 root  operator  117,   0 Oct 16 19:14 /dev/racd0c
> crwxrwxrwx  2 root  operator   15,   0 Oct 16 19:14 /dev/rcd0a
> crwxrwxrwx  2 root  operator   15,   2 Oct 16 19:14 /dev/rcd0c
> crw-r-  2 root  operator   29,   0 Oct 16 19:14 /dev/rmcd0a
> crw-r-  2 root  operator   29,   2 Oct 16 19:14 /dev/rmcd0c
> crw-r-  2 root  operator   45,   0 Oct 16 19:14 /dev/rscd0a
> crw-r-  2 root  operator   45,   2 Oct 16 19:14 /dev/rscd0c
> crw-r-  2 root  operator   69,   0 Oct 16 19:14 /dev/rwcd0a
> crw-r-  2 root  operator   69,   2 Oct 16 19:14 /dev/rwcd0c
> crw-r-  2 root  operator   45,   0 Oct 16 19:14 /dev/scd0a
> crw-r-  2 root  operator   45,   2 Oct 16 19:14 /dev/scd0c
> crw-r-  2 root  operator   69,   0 Oct 16 19:14 /dev/wcd0a
> crw-r-  2 root  operator   69,   2 Oct 16 19:14 /dev/wcd0c
> 
> Yes, I've been changing permissions in an attempt to make it work.
> 
> How would anyone know which device to use?
> And why can't I get it to work by changing permissions?

very recently bumped into this headache myself.  you need to
manually change the sysctl:

from ---> vfs.usermount: 0
to -> vfs.usermount: 1

and setting it in /etc/sysctl.conf should make it right automatically
upon next boot.

[warning: not sure if this next part is simply due to my inexperience]

i found that the user was not able to mount to anything hanging
directly off of  '/' (ex. /mnt /cdrom /floppy) - even if i messed with
the perms.  to solve this, i created the desired mount points (simply
empty directories) in that user's $HOME (with user ownership, group, and
rwx perms).  this solved the problem.

just make sure that your users only try to mount to ~/mntpoint


hth,
epi


> I've went thru the handbook and also Dru Lagvigne's (is that right?)
> articles on OnLamp to no avail.
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Re: Install error OOo-1.1.3 on 4.10p3

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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:59:16 +0200
Benjamin Thelen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi lists,
> 
> I am now really stumped and appreciate you for your assistance. I had 
> this very error already with OOo-1.1.2 on three 4.10p2 FreeBSD boxes 
> in the end of August, posted it to the list, but got no answer. I got 
> along by installing a 1.1.0 package and hoped that this error will be 
> solved in future ports.
> 
> 
> Compiling seems alright. This error-message occurs right after "make 
> install".
> 
> #
> # UGLY hack to not have to specify a X-Display.
> #
> /usr/X11R6/bin/Xvfb :1001 -screen 0 800x600x24 > /dev/null 2>&1 & echo
> $! > /data/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/.Xvfb.pid
> cd: can't cd to 
> /data/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/OOo_1.1.3_src/instsetoo/
> *.pro/01/normal/
> *** Error code 2
> Stop in /data/ports/editors/openoffice-1.1.
> 
> 
> Does anybody know, what's wrong here?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I then tried "pkg_add -r openoffice-1.1", but the files couldn't be 
> found. After this I asked google, found packages, but they were build 
> against x.org (see thread initiated by Nakata Maho, diskussing using 
> x.org or xFree86). Are there any packages built against xFree86
> available?

until such time as other packages are made available, you can try what i
have done in the past - installing OO despite having the wrong X server.
this method has been successful for me numerous times:

1) download the pkg for your system

2) pkg_add -f openoffice-[ver] 

3) pkgdb -Fu# almost all the xorg/xfree pieces have very similar
names, so selecting the correct dependency is straightforward.  only
with XFree86-fontScalable might you have to make a choice between
Type1 or TrueType.  both seem to work, but with slightly different
results (i'm not sure which is best and don't much care - but if you
read-up on it, you should be able to figure it out).

4) start openoffice and enjoy.

> ... or do you generally recommend switching to x.org?

while xorg is now default on 5.3, what they will do with 4.11 is
unclear (at least to me).  either system (xorg/xfree) will work and
both should be available via ports for the forseeable future.  in short,
it is a matter of preference (or features) -- and a decision which is
entirely up to you.   =]


hth,
epi

> Sorry, to bother, thanks for your help!
> 
> 
> Ben
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USB developer please look at cdce driver -- (Was: Driver for Yopy PDA)

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hello again,

i just noticed this driver turn up in the openbsd code.  i'm suspecting
that it might resolve pc-pda connectivity issues for some users. 

man:
http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=cdce&sektion=4

cvsweb:
http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/usb/if_cdce.c
http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/usb/if_cdcereg.h

would really appreciate it if a committer glanced at the code.
  (...and, if meritorious, eventually ported this piece over)

hopefully, this will scratch someone's itch.  in the meantime, knoppix
it is.=]


many thanks,
epi


--
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Raphael Langerhorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm also still very interested in this driver, so far I haven't
> received any response. I hope someone takes care that it is included
> in FreeBSD 5.
> 
> Raphael
> 
> PS: I'm not registered to the freebsd-questions list, please cc me on
> reply.
> 
> On Wednesday 18 August 2004 04:04, you wrote:
> > hello all,
> >
> > i recently received a yopy 3500 pda (yopy.com and yopydeveloper.org)
> > and have been trying very much in vain to get it to speak 'ethernet
> > over usb' with my fbsd 4.10 install.
> >
> > the only promising *bsd related threads i have been able to locate
> > were:
> >
> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-hardware/2004-June/001703.ht
> >ml
> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-hardware/2003-August/000429.
> >html
> >
> > i am hoping to learn whether:
> >
> > a) the 5.x driver mentioned in these messages is on its way into
> > the source tree (i did not come across any if_saue entries in
> > cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/usb) ?
> >
> > b) i can help test a version designed for 4.x ?  my yopy awaits your
> > command  =]
> >
> > hopefully someone will get back to me regarding these questions.  in
> > the meantime, linux already has driver support for the yopy, so i'm
> > going to give knoppix a try.
> >
> >
> > thanks for reading,
> > epi
> >
> >
> > p.s. comms/birda appears to be another option for connecting to the
> > machine, but i haven't yet made any headway with that tool set.
> 
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Re: how do I suppress system messages?

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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:21:05 -0400
Chuck Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Lynette Tillner wrote:
> [ ... ]
> > Also, I can't switch to another tty because my only access is remote
> > --- I don't have console access.
> 
> You can get to another tty by logging into the machine again from
> another SSH session.

you may find /usr/ports/misc/screen and the builtin /usr/bin/window to
be helpful utilities..

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Re: Make Error? What is wrong?

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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:44:01 -0700
"Lynette Tillner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On my Web Server, which I have a Virtual Private Server account on a
> machine at an ISP with 2 gig of disk space running on FreeBSD 4.8
> 
> I used to cvsup to add a FEW ports  security and mail most importantly
> so I can add some spam and virus filtering to Sendmail.  

hello lynette,

please cvsup 'ports-all' and try again.  partial downloads of the ports
tree are known to cause problems.

hope this helps.


cheers,
epi


> Now when I cd (as su) to /usr/ports/security/clamav
> and then type make install at the prompt, 
> I get the following error: 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] clamav]# make install
> make: don't know how to make install. Stop
> 
> I can't seem to run any make command in any directory.  What do I need
> to do to get this to work?
> 
> when I enter make with nothing else, I get:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  clamav]# make
> make: no target to make.
> 
> What do I need to do to get this working?  (I'm a newbie BTW so any
> actual step by step instructions would help!) Thanks!
> Lynette
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Re: sysctl kern.securelevel=2

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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 01:33:44 -0400
epilogue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:03:32 -0400
> Chris Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Alll
> > 
> > I was wondering what is the best kern.securelevel to run on a
> > machine that provides general internet services, Web, FTP and Email.
> > I don't want this so tight I cannot use the machine and I have also
> > read in some post that having the secure level set to high can stop
> > a fsck.
> > 
> > I am running  4.8 stable with ipfw and current kern.securelevel at
> > 0. After reading the man page I am thinking that I can safely at
> > level 2 but I am not sure because of this line in the man page "plus
> > disks may not be opened for writing (except by mount(2)) whether
> > mounted or not"
> >  What exactly does this mean?
> > 
> > 
> > Any help would be appreciated. 
> 
> in case you haven't already tried it, you may find 'man securelevel'
> helpful.

and more closely reading messages *may* save me from embarrassment.  my
apologies.

epi

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> > Chris
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Re: portupgrade (pkgdb) question (2nd try)

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On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:52:57 -0400
"Bobb Shires" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> (dang webmail thing mangled my message. Sorry. Trying again)
> 
> pkgdb -F is asking me a question I don't understand. 
> What should I do here? 
> 
> === [EMAIL PROTECTED] /root/supfiles 24 -> # pkgdb -F
> --->  Checking the package registry database
> Stale origin: 'devel/autoconf257': perhaps moved or obsoleted.
> -> The port 'devel/autoconf257' was removed on 2004-07-01 because:
> "autotools cleanup"
> -> Hint:  autoconf-2.57_1 is required by the following package(s):
> kdevelop-3.0.3
> kde-3.2.2
> automake-1.7.5_1
> -> Hint: checking for overwritten files...
>  -> No files installed by autoconf-2.57_1 have been overwritten by
>  other packages.
> Deinstall autoconf-2.57_1 ? [no]

i believe that this article may help you to feel more comfortable with
such questions:

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2001/11/29/Big_Scary_Daemons.html

while you're there, bookmark:

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/q/all_bsd_articles

...and spend a while.  you will likely find more than one helpful and
informative article.


hth,
epi

> This is a fresh installation of 4.10-REL immediately 
> following a cvsup. Thanks. 
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Re: sysctl kern.securelevel=2

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On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:03:32 -0400
Chris Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello Alll
> 
> I was wondering what is the best kern.securelevel to run on a machine
> that provides general internet services, Web, FTP and Email. I don't
> want this so tight I cannot use the machine and I have also read in
> some post that having the secure level set to high can stop a fsck.
> 
> I am running  4.8 stable with ipfw and current kern.securelevel at 0.
> After reading the man page I am thinking that I can safely at level 2
> but I am not sure because of this line in the man page "plus disks may
> not be opened for writing (except by mount(2)) whether mounted or not"
>  What exactly does this mean?
> 
> 
> Any help would be appreciated. 

in case you haven't already tried it, you may find 'man securelevel'
helpful.

> Thanks
> Chris
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Re: GNOME questions

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:36:59 -0700
Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
>   To the Gnome wizards out there,
> 
>   I've been experimenting with different window managers
>   and need some tips on how making Gnome more comfortable 
>   feel.  Here are some miscellaneous questions:
> 
>   How do I create different sized xterms and/or gnome terms
>   of different sizes in different workspaces?  Is it possible
>   to have an xload app of a given size (or other GUI apps)
>   and have them appear on various workspaces, or *all*
>   workspaces?  Finally, how can I set up the Fn keys to
>   perform certain tasks, for example, have F2 minimize a 
>   window/xterm/app, and have F3 put the same application
>   in front?
> 
>   Both Gnome and KDE are nice front ends, but a bit heavy
>   on the graphical interface side for a CLI hacker like
>   me.  Feedback welcome!

hello gary,

i hope that you don't take this the wrong way...  i think that gnome.org
and any of their forums/mailing lists would probably be much more
appropriate venues for your questions.  from what i can see, none of
these points relate directly to freebsd.

just a thought.


cheers,
epi

>   gary
> 
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Re: ask for information

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On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:33:23 +0100
Matthew Seaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 11:57:12AM -0700, Elwaleed Khafagy wrote:
> 
> > i can not tell you how happy we am to use free BSD
> > but i need some information .
> > I am from egypt and our language is arabic , so our
> > company really need to know how to make free BSD
> > support for arabic .
> > we have informix database on our server and sometimes
> > we need to use arabic .
> > would you please tell me if there is a way to make
> > free BSD support arabic
 
you 'may' find the following site to be of 'some' assistance:

http://www.arabeyes.org/

http://www.arabeyes.org/project.php?proj=FreeBSD-ports&PHPSESSID=25139c47d0473d132bf4461c4e42e6d1


hope that this helps,
epi


> As far as I can tell, there is no support for an Arabic language
> locale in the base system.  However many ports exist with Arabic
> support -- eg. OpenOffice.  There is an arabic category in the ports
> -- mostly containing a number of Arabic fonts.
> 
> I wasn't aware that Informix databases were available or supported
> under FreeBSD -- perhaps this is a Linux version of Informix being run
> under emulation?  Anyhow, I'd expect that IBM as the vendors of
> Informix software would be good people to ask about localization
> support.  I can state for certain that the two biggest free RDBMS
> available -- MySQL and PostgeSQL -- both provide excellent support for
> many different languages.
> 
> Certainly, there is no problem with such things as hosting (or
> viewing) Arabic language web sites under FreeBSD -- all of the web
> application programming languages do support Arabic in principle,
> although examples and localized documentation may be hard to come by.
> 
> FreeBSD depends entirely on people donating their time and expertise
> for all of its code development, web sites and documentation.  As far
> as I can see there is no ongoing project to translate FreeBSD
> documentation and other material into Arabic, or to provide an Arabic
> locale in the base system.  However, anyone stepping forward and
> volunteering to produce such things would be welcomed with open arms.
> 
>   Cheers,
> 
>   Matthew
> 
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Re: Organizing the output of make etc.

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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:27:55 +1000
Andrew Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> I'm administering my own little hobby system.  Great fun.  I notice
> that when I make targets, usually through portupgrade, a great deal of
> text flies by.  Some of it is of obvious immediate use, such as this
> advice from Subversion:
> 
> Make sure that:
> * all your svn users are members of a common group
> * this group is the group id of the db/ and locks/
>   subdirectories of your repository
> * the above subdirectories are writable by this group
> 
> and some of it is not, unless the upgrade or installation fails, eg,
> the output from each compilation.
> 
> What I'd like to know is: how do you more experienced types cope with
> this information flow?  

this article should add a few tricks to your bag.  page 2 should be the
most relevant to the question at hand::

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/07/FreeBSD_Basics.html

while you're there, check out the many other useful articles.
click on 'All Articles' under 'BSD Content' (on the left-side frame).

another option would be to use /usr/bin/script, although that doesn't
filter out any of the build messages.

> I'd like to use a little script that winnows out the useful advice
> from the recover-from-catastrophe-maybe advice, and then emails
> selections to root, with appropriate subject line, etc.  Does anyone have
> a similar script,?  If not I'll have a bash at writing one.  If so, I'd
> love to use it.
> 
> Thanks for any ideas!
> 
> Andrew
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Re: sendmail question

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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:53:51 -0400
Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ronnie Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Bill, 
> > 
> > Thanks for the response. Here is the last entry in the
> > maillog file:
> > 
> > Sep 29 03:01:48 [EMAIL PROTECTED] sendmail[1204]:
> > i8T81lo5001204: to=root, delay=00:00:00,
> > xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=31632,
> > relay=[127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred:
> > Connection refused by [127.0.0.1]
> > 
> > This makes sense that the log says what it does since
> > I have sendmail_enable="NONE". What I am asking is if
> > there is a way to not have this file at all since
> > there is no need to send amy mail of any kind from
> > this server. Make sense?
> 
> Not really.
> 
> A lot of stuff in FreeBSD uses email for notifications and the like.
> A few examples are cron (which will email the output of cron jobs) and
> periodic.  If you want to disable _all_ mail delivery, you'll need to
> track down all of these utilities and either a) prevent them from
> running or b) arrange for notifications from them to be sent via some
> other means.

hello ron,

while this may not catch everything, it is a good and reasonable (imho)
start.

1) add the following lines to /etc/periodic.conf:
daily_output="/var/log/daily.log"
weekly_output="/var/log/weekly.log"
monthly_output="/var/log/monthly.log"
daily_status_security_output="/var/log/security.log" 

2) be sure that these logs exist.  if they don't, 'touch' them.

3) the following in rc.conf:
sendmail_enable="NONE"
syslogd_enable="YES"
syslogd_flags="-ss"# read the man page, if you want details
inetd_enable="NO" # <- only if you're not running any inet services

4) reboot or shutdown.  upon restart, examine 'netstat -n | grep -i list'
for output.  if get any output, it is for services that are 'listening'. 
deal with those, as you see fit.

5) if you ever need to send mail from this host, use one of the clients
which have their own MTA's integrated (ex. sylpheed).  while such CLI
clients may exist, i am only aware of the gui clients.

while it doesn't everything (firewalls in particular), this is a very good
article, if you're looking to start locking down this machine:

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/08/08/FreeBSD_Basics.html

hth.


cheers,
epi


> I don't know that a comprehensive list of these applications has ever
> been compiled, but I think disabling them and mail delivery is A Bad
> Idea (tm) because you're pretending your smarter than 30 years of
> Unix system administrators' combined experience.
> 
> The Right Thing To Do (tm) is to set sendmail_enable="NONE" (or
> replace sendmail with ssmtp) and configure the "root" account to
> forward to your email account so you can properly receive these
> informative emails.  If you're not familiar with sendmail or
> uncomfortable with it doing anything, check out the handbook page
> on replacing it with ssmtp:
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mail.html
> 
> HTH.
> 
> > --- Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Ronnie Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hello all, 
> > > > 
> > > > I am building a central syslog server. I am seeing
> > > > sendmail related items in the maillog file, even
> > > > though I have sendmail_enable="NONE" in my
> > > > /etc/rc.conf file. Is there a way to turn off any
> > > > resemblance of an MTA on a FreeBSD system? Or, is
> > > > there a way to turn on a localhost MTA but not
> > > have it
> > > > actively listen on a port? (in this case tcp 587)
> > > 
> > > sendmail_enable="NONE" should disable it totally.
> > > 
> > > sendmail_enable="NO" should allow local submission
> > > only.
> > > 
> > > You could also install something like ssmtp to
> > > replace sendmail.
> > > 
> > > What kind of log messages are you getting?
> > > 
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> > > Potential Technologies
> > > http://www.potentialtech.com
> > > 
> > 
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Re: Broken X fonts

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On 28 Sep 2004 22:43:21 -1000
Gary Dunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 2004-09-23 at 11:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > The first time I used "portupgrade -arR". 
> 
> Slightly off topic, but are there args redundant? How would this differ
> from -a ? I'm still struggling to understand portupgrade.

hello gary,

the following brief article should clarify matters for you (page 2):
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/28/FreeBSD_Basics.html?page=2

i highly recommend clicking on and bookmarking 'All Articles' (black
frame on the right side of page, under BSD Content).  spend some time
there, it will be very much worth you while.

hth.


cheers,
epi


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Re: please educate me on memory usage

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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:59:52 -0700 (PDT)
Gregor Mosheh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I was looking at my top output and was surprised to
> see that the bulk of my 512 MB of memory was in use,
> since the server really has fairly little running.
> It's not a problem, but I was wanting some
> clarification on where this memory was being used, for
> my own education.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#TOP-FREEMEM

hth,
epi
 
> The original goal was that I had figured that a lot of
> memory would be unused since so little is running, and
> perhaps I could allocate some more to Postgres.
> Apparently nowt, but I don't quite understand all the
> intricacies of what *is* using my memory.
> 
> 35 processes:  1 running, 34 sleeping
> CPU states:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system, 
> 0.0% interrupt,  100% idle
> Mem: 158M Active, 207M Inact, 80M Wired, 20M Cache,
> 60M Buf, 33M Free
> Swap: 2000M Total, 6848K Used, 1994M Free
> 
> So, 158 MB of memory in use. Does that include
> anything other than process' memory, e.g. shared
> memory, kernel memory, some of the fs buffer? If I add
> up the VSZ column from 'ps aux' I get 110 MB.
> 
> The server's only processes of interest are MySQL,
> Postgres, and Apache httpd. There are cron, sendmail,
> etc. but these are all <1M usage according to both top
> and ps.
> 
> MySQL has VSZ 38 MB and RSS 4 MB.
> 
> Postgres (incl stats collectors) has VSZ 25 MB and RSS
> <1 MB. There's also the shared memory: ipcs agrees
> with my postgresql.conf settings: 2 MB of shared
> memory buffers.
> 
> Apache 1.3 has 15 processes, each using 3.6 MB VSZ and
> 1.5 MB RSS. I was of the impression that the bulk of
> this memory was shared with the parent process, no?
> 
> So where's the rest of the memory going?
> 
> The 80M Wired is interesting, since I don't know where
> it's going. I presume that PG's 2 MB of shared buffers
> are wired (though I saw an email today that implied
> otherwise), but how could I track down the rest of it?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Undelete featured filesystem forfreebsd? WAS: Undelete on untouched partition

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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:00:07 +0200
Joachim Dagerot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ---
>  | On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 08:23:08AM +0200, Joachim Dagerot wrote:
>  | > I have a disk with one single slice and one partition: ad1s1d. I
> used
>  | > move to move ALL data on this disk to another location and after
> that
>  | > has the disk been unused. Is there a way to get the content back
> using
>  | > a copy of a FAT or similar?
>  | 
>  | Recovering erased data from a UFS requires guru skills.
>  
> 
> What a pitty, well nothing to do then I guess. Thanks for your answer.
> 
> Is anyone aware of an approach to get some kind of soft deletion
> functionality on freeBSD. I mean, it's not extremely unique to be able
> to get files back after a deletion, even windows has features for this
> since long time.

the easiest thing to do would be to prepare for the 'next time'.

1) create a 'garbage' directory wherever you believe it would make the most
sense.

2) create an alias within your .cshrc (or bash, or zsh, etc) which, when
'rm' is invoked, uses 'mv' to move the file to your 'garbage' dir.  to
my knowledge, this is pretty much the same approach used by windows,
gnome, and kde.

this link should get you started:
http://www.cee.odu.edu/uclhd/uclhd_unix_undelete.php

hope this helps.


cheers,
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Re: FreeBSD

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On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:01:13 +0200
"falko klein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear FreeBSD-Team,
> 
> I am looking for somebody officially representing FreeBSD for a short
> e-mail-interview.

hello falko,

just for the sake of completeness, you may also want to consider
contacting:

http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/   <-- contact info on site

as regards freebsd.org itself, it would appear that the the 'Public
Relations & Corporate Liaison' seat is currently unfilled.  see:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/staff-who.html

hopefully, someone from questions@ will be able to point you in the right
direction (or simply step forward) as regards locating a freebsd.org
representative.

i suspect that providing a little additional information regarding
your thesis would help to narrow down list of suitable individuals.  for
example, what is your thesis statement?  what area of freebsd/opensource 
will your questions be targeting?


hope this helps,
epi

> As a background: I am student at Faculty of Management in Ingolstadt,
> writing my final thesis about open-source-projects.
> 
> Kind regards, Falko
> 
> 
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Re: crontab question involving cvsup

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:07:26 -0700
Joshua Tinnin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> OK, I have searched the archives, and I can't find that my question has 
> been answered previously, but please forgive me if that's incorrect.
> 
> I'm using (or rather trying to use) cron to update my ports tree daily. 
> I've tried several different combinations without success, and lately 
> this is what I have in my crontab file:
> 
> /usr/local/bin/cvsup -g -L 2 /home/krinklyfig/supfiles/ports-supfile 
> && /usr/local/bin/portindex && /usr/local/sbin/portsdb -u
> 
> It runs as root once a day. What appears to be happening is that the 
> cvsup is happening, but portindex is not, and because of the latter 
> portsdb -u doesn't either. The reason I know cvsup is working is 
> because portindex indicates that the ports tree has been updated if I 
> run it manually later, but running portversion before manually running 
> portindex will not indicate any changes. The cron log doesn't show 
> anything but the commands being executed. So, my question is: is this 
> type of command valid, or should each command be separate? Or is it not 
> working for some other reason?

man cron gives:

crontab [-u user] file

'file' being the important part, methinks.   ;)

what you might want to do, is simply write a shell script and feed that
into your crontab.  in case you're not sure how to make a script, it is
very simple and google will return many tutorials.

in a nutshell, you put the commands you want into a file, make that file
executable (chmod), and away you go.

the first line of a shell script has an obligatory format and invokes the
shell that will be used.

#!/bin/sh  << the leading # is required
/usr/local/bin/cvsup -L 2 /foo/path/to/your/ports-supfile;
# comments are allowed
portindex;
exit

note: you might also prefer to end commands with && rather than ;

i'm new to scripting myself so please forgive my feeble explanation.

about the commands which you are planning to include, why the 'portsdb -u'?
is that not doing essentially the same work as 'portindex' ?

(http://www.freshports.org/sysutils/portindex/)

anyhow.  hope this helps.


cheers,
epi
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Re: ssh question

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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:42:52 -0500
"Mark Tullos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> After modifying the sshd.conf to allow my new IP access via ssh I can't
> connect.  I have stopped and restarted the service and the server and
> double check the conf file.  I have checked hosts.allow and found nothing
> wrong. Is there some other file I need to change as well?

are you running a firewall?  and if so, do you have a port open for ssh?

> If not, how would I go about reinstalling/reconfiguring ssh?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
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Re: Reinstalling, then upgrading (Was Re: Salvageable? (Was Re:make installworld error))

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On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:47:03 -0400 (EDT)
"Charles Ulrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Lowell Gilbert said:
> > In FreeBSD, a "port" is a third-party application ported to be built
> > from
> source on your system.  A "package" is a pre-compiled binary of that
> port. Once installed, they are both tracked (and removable) by the same
> database, usually referred to as the "package database".  See the FreeBSD
> Handbook section on "Installing Applications: Packages and Ports" for a
> full explanation.
> 
> Just out of curiosity, is it incorrect to simply say that ports build
> packages?

Yes.

> That is, once a piece of software is installed with 'make install',
> is it treated the same as any package that was installed from the
> installation CD? (If not, or if the relationship is really a whole lot
> more complex than that, then my rant below doesn't apply.)
> 
> A lot of new users can't readily tell the difference between a port and
> package and frequently use the two terms interchangably.

mostly the users who:

a) don't bother to read the handbook
b) read the handbook too quickly (ie. skim it)
c) read the handbook in a language which isn't their own
d) other...  (feel free to add your own variations ;)

> The handbook gives an overview of both ports and package but stops
> short of clearly spelling out this important distinction.

Taken directly from our beloved handbook:

"4.2 Overview of Software Installation
 
If you have used a UNIX® system before you will know that the typical
procedure for installing third party software goes something like this:
   
1. Download the software, which might be distributed in source code format,
or as a binary.

2. Unpack the software from its distribution format(typically a tarball
compressed with compress(1), gzip(1), or bzip2(1)).

3. Locate the documentation (perhaps an INSTALL or README file, or some
files in a doc/ subdirectory) and read up on how to install the software.

4. If the software was distributed in source format, compile it. This may
involve editing a Makefile, or running a configure script, and other work. 

5. Test and install the software.

And that is only if everything goes well. If you are installing a software
package that was not deliberately ported to FreeBSD you may even
have to go in and edit the code to make it work properly.

Should you want to, you can continue to install software the
``traditional'' way with FreeBSD. However, FreeBSD provides two
technologies which can save you a lot of effort: packages and ports. At the
time of writing, over 10,500 third party applications have been made
available in this way.

For any given application, the FreeBSD >>> package <<< for that
application is a >>> single file <<< which you must download. The package
contains >>> pre-compiled <<< copies of all the commands for the
application, as well as any configuration files or documentation. A
downloaded package file can be manipulated with FreeBSD package management
commands, such as pkg_add(1), pkg_delete(1), pkg_info(1), and so on.
Installing a new application can be carried out with a single command.

FreeBSD >>> port <<< for an application is a >>> collection of files <<<
designed to >>> automate the process of compiling <<< an application
>>> from source code <<<.

Remember that there are a number of steps you would normally carry out if
you compiled a program yourself (downloading, unpacking, patching,
compiling, installing). The files that make up a port contain all the
necessary information to allow the system to do this for you."

hope that this helps to clear up any confusion you might have had.


cheers,
epi


> But at the same time, it also implies that ports and packages are two
> completely separate ways of installing software when in reality they are
> actually two parts of the same system. The phrase "ports build packages"
> is a neat and efficient way of rectifying the misunderstandings that can
> occur when trying to give a proper explanation of FreeBSD package
> management.
> 
> -- 
> Charles Ulrich
> System Administrator


the fbsd handbook is one of the very best in *nixland.  please pay it the
attention it deserves.


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Re: Installing ports

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On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:11:49 +0200
"Florian Hengstberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> I'm using FreeBSD 5.2.1 and I'm in trouble with installing software
> using the ports collection. After typing "make install" everything 
> seems to be okay, but in most cases I get a message like this after
> a few minutes:
> 
> fetch time out

hello florian,

could you please help us to help you, by providing more details?  for
example, it would be really useful to know which ports you're having the
problem with.  it could indeed be that the mirrors for a given port may
require updating (but we're not going to look at all +11k ports just
because you dropped us a line  ;)

i get the feeling that you are experiencing the problem with many
different ports.  as such, mirror lists are an unlikely culprit (or we
would be seeing a lot of such complaints on the mailing lists). 

> It seemed to me that the mirror servers are not uptodate or that
> some filenames have changed in the meantime, because fetching data
> from ftp-servers worked a few times. 
> But in nearly all cases I had to copy the files manually in
> /usr/ports/distfiles as "make install" finally suggested.
> 
> So I installed a new ports-collection with sysinstall over ftp but
> things haven't changed. I'm a little confused, because fetching data
> from FreeSD ftp-servers doesn't work too (remember that some fetches
> were successful!).

i have never installed a new ports collection this way, so i cannot speak
about the reliability of this method.

cvsup, on the other hand, is a method for which i (and the handbook) can
vouch.  if you haven't already, check out the handbook entry on cvsup
(section III-A-4).  it should probably clear up your issue (unless, of
course, you're having a networking problem).

if you're in a pinch, you can probably also download a copy of the tree
from ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/ports/ports.tar.gz and extract
it over your existing /usr/ports

i don't know how often that tarball is updated, but the latest timestamp on
it is 2004.08.24 03:38:00, so it should work too.

anyway.  hope this helps.


cheers,
epi

 
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> Florian
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Re: XFree86 Question

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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:04:43 -0700
"Oliver Gould" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sorry if this is not quite the place for this question but I'm at my wits
> ends here. I need viable Horizontal sync ranges and vertical refresh
> rates for my compaq presario laptop 1200-XL118 (13" HPA screen, Trident
> Cyberblade i7 video card)and I have not been able to find them anywhere.
> They are not in the online product manuals and the compaq support people
> have given me ranges that don't work after telling me the info doesn't
> exist. I have been guessing away and getting close. Is there some sort of
> autodetect utility? Is my hardware not supported?
> 

hello oliver,

when i first installed X, i also was not able to locate any documentation
covering the refresh rates for the LCD attached to my laptop.  however,
after much trial and error, i finally hit upon a working combination.  i am
writing with the hope that we can save you from this tedious process...

if i am not mistaken, the xorg release (and even xfree86 4.4, i think) no
longer needs an /etc/X11/xorg.conf.  if you try to run X without, it should
autodetect and load suitable settings.  you can then, at your leisure,
compile a working xorg.conf from the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log

...and guess what.  when i tried this recently, i noticed that xorg 
detected and specified no horizontal or vertical refresh settings.
yep, none.  so much for all that time spent on trial and error.   =]

well, i'm not sure whether this is specific to 'my' hardware or whether it
applies to LCD screens in general.  regardless, given the minimal effort
involved (renaming your .conf file), it is certainly worth a test.

hope this helps.


cheers,
epi


> Thanks ahead of time,
> 
> Oliver Gould
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Driver for Yopy PDA

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hello all,

i recently received a yopy 3500 pda (yopy.com and yopydeveloper.org) and
have been trying very much in vain to get it to speak 'ethernet over usb'
with my fbsd 4.10 install.

the only promising *bsd related threads i have been able to locate were:

http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-hardware/2004-June/001703.html
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-hardware/2003-August/000429.html

i am hoping to learn whether:

a) the 5.x driver mentioned in these messages is on its way into
the source tree (i did not come across any if_saue entries in
cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/usb) ?

b) i can help test a version designed for 4.x ?  my yopy awaits your
command  =]

hopefully someone will get back to me regarding these questions.  in the
meantime, linux already has driver support for the yopy, so i'm going to
give knoppix a try.


thanks for reading,
epi


p.s. comms/birda appears to be another option for connecting to the
machine, but i haven't yet made any headway with that tool set.
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openoffice : unable to set accelerator keys

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questions@ is probably the right forum for this...


Begin forwarded message:

Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:36:05 -0400
From: epilogue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: unable to set accelerator keys


hello all,

i've got the english openoffice-1.1.2 package for 4.x installed.  i know
that it is supposed to be a fairly vanilla build, so i expect that the
problem i'm having also applies to builds from source.

before i send off a problem report to oo.o, i would appreciate it if
someone else could confirm that they also see the same behaviour...

1) open a .sxw text document (or make a new one)
2) tools > configure > menu
3) try to change any of the accelerator keys (ie. the tildes --> ~)

though i have been through the oo.o documentation more than once, i am
entirely unable to change these settings.


thanks!
epi
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Re: Upgrade FreeBSD

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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:37:27 +0200
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey 
> I have FreeBSD 4-9 RELEASE,and i wont upgrade it to
> 4.10 STABLE.I use for this operation CVSUP,and
> when cvsup dawnload sources in /usr/src directory
> ,i write:
> cd /usr/src
> make buildworld
> and system compiling the sources,while return my
> error message.

hello, P.  it is generally expected that you provide the error message you
are seeing.  trust me, you will get much better help, if you do.  without
it, we can only guess.  (btw, if you not yet familiar with 'script', try
reading its man page. it is a very handy way to capture this kind of
information.)

so, without more information about your error, my first guess would be that
you are not supping the right source.  for 4.10-release (+patches), your
cvsup file has to have this:
*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4_10

_not_ this:
*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4

now, if this isn't your problem, are you supping 'src-all' or have you
commented out any of the 'src-*' entries?  also, are you using a
'refuse' file?  if so, what are its contents?

please write back with more info.  in the meantime, i hope that this helps
to narrow down the cause.


cheers,
epi


> With another time errors whas different,and I don know why.My compiuter
> is pentium 100 with 32 MB ram Please Healp  MY ???


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Re: Strange prompt behavior in tcsh

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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:50:28 +0700
Roger Merritt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I recently installed the port shells/tcshrc, and ever since I've been 
> getting some funny output on the console whenever I change directories:
> 
> kepler:/root# echo $SHELL
> /bin/tcsh
> kepler:/root# cd /etc
> \033]2;KEPLER - /etc\007kepler:/etc#
> kepler:/etc# cd
> \033]2;KEPLER - /root\007kepler:/root#
> kepler:/root#
> 
> The prompt setting in .tcshrc.set is "%B%m%b:%S%/%s%# ".

given that %B starts boldfacing and %b ends it (ie. where your problem
seems to start and end), my guess would be that your console setting does
not support boldfacing.

> Obviously it's no huge thing, but why am I seeing the \033]2...\007
> string after 'cd'ing? Before I installed the port, my .tcshrc set the
> prompt to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]:%~%# " and I didn't get the literal string. Now it only
> shows on the first prompt after I 'cd', and after that the prompt seems
> to work right. Obviously the port sets something else, but before I start
> digging, has anyone else solved this?

actually, i think that the preferred order would be to dig first and ask
questions later.;)


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What is YOUR config for a working Iomega USB ZIP?

[epilogue]

hello all,

though several very kind individuals have tried to help me get my Iomega
USB Zip drive working, i haven't yet had any luck.  rather than continuing
a desperate troubleshooting via a boring series of lengthy messages, i
thought that i might try turning the tables by launching the following
appeal.


<><><><><><><><><><><><>

could anyone who has made their Iomega USB Zip work under 4.x, please post
how they did it?  (relevant config files, patches, whatever)

<><><><><><><><><><><><>



thank you,
epi


p.s.  for the curious, (most of my) previous posts on this matter should be
covered by the following threads:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-July/051616.html
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-July/052008.html
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2004-July/001760.html
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Re: wm dropping keypresses since moving to xorg (strange) -- SOLVED

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On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:17:08 -0400
epilogue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> thanks to some very kind help from dejan, and after a little stress
> testing on my end, i believe that it is safe to declare this problem
> solved.
> 
> --
> the fix:
> --
> 
> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/pc
> 
> 
>   //  Fake keys for virtual<->real modifiers mapping 
> key  {[ ISO_Level3_Shift  ]   };
> key  {[ Mode_switch   ]   };
> modifier_map Mod5   { ,  };
> 
> key   {[ NoSymbol, Alt_L   ]   };
> modifier_map Mod1   { ,  };
> 
> 
> add  to:
> modifier_map Mod1   { , ,  };

since the first adjustment, i eventually noted a slight change in the way
the windows key was functioning (dropping certain keypresses). to restore
the expected behaviour, i simply added  and  to another line in
the same section of file mentioned above:

key  {[ NoSymbol, Super_L ]   };
//  modifier_map Mod4   {  };
modifier_map Mod4   { , ,  };

as there is only 1 windows key on my keyboard, i am not certain whether
both WIN values were strictly necessary, but all seems now to be working.


> save file and restart x.
> 
> 
> hello anholt,
> copying you in case you want to feed this back up the pipe to xorg. 
> dejan also located this old link, which you might find of interest:
> 
> http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580
> 
> 
> cheers,
> epi
> 
> --
> On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:42:53 -0400
> epilogue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > hello all,
> > 
> > well, i was beginning to think that i was either hallucinating or
> > suffering from some sort of bizarre nerve damage...   but i seem to
> > have made some progress in analysing this problem.
> > 
> > i have attached a (sorted and commented) file with output from xev. 
> > the problem always affects only the right-alt key, despite the various
> > xkbmodels i select (or leave blank).
> > 
> > i also came across two other reports of the same behaviour:
> > 
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/06/msg01410.html
> > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=261816
> > 
> > as you can see, they're from deb.  they seem to have isolated the
> > problem to a symbols/pc file within x11, not fluxbox.  a patch is
> > provided, but it does not apply cleanly to the version of xorg that i
> > have installed.
> > 
> > i would very much appreciate any suggestions.
> > 
> > 
> > thank you,
> > epi
> > 
> > ---
> > Begin forwarded message:
> > 
> > Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:33:30 -0400
> > From: epilogue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: wm dropping keypresses since moving to xorg (strange)
> > 
> > 
> > hello x11, questions,
> > 
> > i have some reservations about sending this in, because it sounds a bit
> > weird, but i've jumped through all the usual self-serve hoops and i'm
> > about at my wits end.
> > 
> > since switching to xorg, when i alt+tab to a window with my wm of
> > choice(fluxbox-devel), the 1st keypress is always dropped in the new
> > window, regardless of whether that window is a *term, mail client,
> > browser, ...
> > 
> > say i alt+tab to an xterm.  for 'man' to appear on the command line, i
> > must type 'mman' or 'ccd' for 'cd'.
> > 
> > the window only drops that 1st key.  if i alt+tab away and come back,
> > it will again drop only the 1st key.
> > 
> > 
> > here is what i know:
> > 
> > 1) it doesn't happen if i use the mouse.
> > 2) this problem was not apparent when i tested for it with icewm or
> > xfce4. 3) fluxbox used to play very nicely with xfree.
> > 
> > 
> > here is what i've tried:
> > 
> > 1) google, fbsd and xorg mailing lists.
> > 2) contacted the fluxbox developers over irc.  several are running xorg
> > and fluxbox on linux without the problems i'm seeing.(?!)
> > 3) rebuilt xorg then fluxbox-devel.  removed .fluxbox to ensure that
> > the default settings would load.
> > 4) played with xorg.conf (used old xfree.conf, built a new xorg.conf,
> > and changed various settings withing xorg.conf)
> > 5) attempted to pinpoint the issue via xev, but failed miserably.
> > 
> > 
> > it smells like some sort of 'focus' problem to me.  any suggestions
> > would be very much appreciated.
> > 
> > hoping 

Re: wm dropping keypresses since moving to xorg (strange) -- SOLVED

[epilogue]

thanks to some very kind help from dejan, and after a little stress testing
on my end, i believe that it is safe to declare this problem solved.

--
the fix:
--

/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/pc


  //  Fake keys for virtual<->real modifiers mapping 
key  {[ ISO_Level3_Shift  ]   };
key  {[ Mode_switch   ]   };
modifier_map Mod5   { ,  };

key   {[ NoSymbol, Alt_L   ]   };
modifier_map Mod1   { ,  };


add  to:
modifier_map Mod1   { , ,  };

save file and restart x.


hello anholt,
copying you in case you want to feed this back up the pipe to xorg.  dejan
also located this old link, which you might find of interest:

http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580


cheers,
epi

--
On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:42:53 -0400
epilogue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> hello all,
> 
> well, i was beginning to think that i was either hallucinating or
> suffering from some sort of bizarre nerve damage...   but i seem to have
> made some progress in analysing this problem.
> 
> i have attached a (sorted and commented) file with output from xev.  the
> problem always affects only the right-alt key, despite the various
> xkbmodels i select (or leave blank).
> 
> i also came across two other reports of the same behaviour:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/06/msg01410.html
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=261816
> 
> as you can see, they're from deb.  they seem to have isolated the problem
> to a symbols/pc file within x11, not fluxbox.  a patch is provided, but
> it does not apply cleanly to the version of xorg that i have installed.
> 
> i would very much appreciate any suggestions.
> 
> 
> thank you,
> epi
> 
> ---
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:33:30 -0400
> From: epilogue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: wm dropping keypresses since moving to xorg (strange)
> 
> 
> hello x11, questions,
> 
> i have some reservations about sending this in, because it sounds a bit
> weird, but i've jumped through all the usual self-serve hoops and i'm
> about at my wits end.
> 
> since switching to xorg, when i alt+tab to a window with my wm of choice
> (fluxbox-devel), the 1st keypress is always dropped in the new window,
> regardless of whether that window is a *term, mail client, browser, ...
> 
> say i alt+tab to an xterm.  for 'man' to appear on the command line, i
> must type 'mman' or 'ccd' for 'cd'.
> 
> the window only drops that 1st key.  if i alt+tab away and come back, it
> will again drop only the 1st key.
> 
> 
> here is what i know:
> 
> 1) it doesn't happen if i use the mouse.
> 2) this problem was not apparent when i tested for it with icewm or
> xfce4. 3) fluxbox used to play very nicely with xfree.
> 
> 
> here is what i've tried:
> 
> 1) google, fbsd and xorg mailing lists.
> 2) contacted the fluxbox developers over irc.  several are running xorg
> and fluxbox on linux without the problems i'm seeing.(?!)
> 3) rebuilt xorg then fluxbox-devel.  removed .fluxbox to ensure that the
> default settings would load.
> 4) played with xorg.conf (used old xfree.conf, built a new xorg.conf,
> and changed various settings withing xorg.conf)
> 5) attempted to pinpoint the issue via xev, but failed miserably.
> 
> 
> it smells like some sort of 'focus' problem to me.  any suggestions would
> be very much appreciated.
> 
> hoping that i'm not alone here.
> 
> 
> thanks,
> epi
> 
> 
> p.s. a little additional info for any of you who know a bit about fluxbox
> settings.  the problem seems only to occur with those keybindings
> (like alt+tab) which are mapped to 'NextWindow' or 'NextWindow 1' but
> _not_ with 'NextTab'.  naturally, the same holds true for the shift+foo
> combos which translate to 'Previous'.
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Fw: wm dropping keypresses since moving to xorg (strange)

[epilogue]

hello all,

well, i was beginning to think that i was either hallucinating or suffering
from some sort of bizarre nerve damage...   but i seem to have made some
progress in analysing this problem.

i have attached a (sorted and commented) file with output from xev.  the
problem always affects only the right-alt key, despite the various
xkbmodels i select (or leave blank).

i also came across two other reports of the same behaviour:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/06/msg01410.html
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=261816

as you can see, they're from deb.  they seem to have isolated the problem
to a symbols/pc file within x11, not fluxbox.  a patch is provided, but it
does not apply cleanly to the version of xorg that i have installed.

i would very much appreciate any suggestions.


thank you,
epi

---
Begin forwarded message:

Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:33:30 -0400
From: epilogue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: wm dropping keypresses since moving to xorg (strange)


hello x11, questions,

i have some reservations about sending this in, because it sounds a bit
weird, but i've jumped through all the usual self-serve hoops and i'm about
at my wits end.

since switching to xorg, when i alt+tab to a window with my wm of choice
(fluxbox-devel), the 1st keypress is always dropped in the new window,
regardless of whether that window is a *term, mail client, browser, ...

say i alt+tab to an xterm.  for 'man' to appear on the command line, i must
type 'mman' or 'ccd' for 'cd'.

the window only drops that 1st key.  if i alt+tab away and come back, it
will again drop only the 1st key.


here is what i know:

1) it doesn't happen if i use the mouse.
2) this problem was not apparent when i tested for it with icewm or xfce4.
3) fluxbox used to play very nicely with xfree.


here is what i've tried:

1) google, fbsd and xorg mailing lists.
2) contacted the fluxbox developers over irc.  several are running xorg
and fluxbox on linux without the problems i'm seeing.(?!)
3) rebuilt xorg then fluxbox-devel.  removed .fluxbox to ensure that the
default settings would load.
4) played with xorg.conf (used old xfree.conf, built a new xorg.conf,
and changed various settings withing xorg.conf)
5) attempted to pinpoint the issue via xev, but failed miserably.


it smells like some sort of 'focus' problem to me.  any suggestions would
be very much appreciated.

hoping that i'm not alone here.


thanks,
epi


p.s. a little additional info for any of you who know a bit about fluxbox
settings.  the problem seems only to occur with those keybindings
(like alt+tab) which are mapped to 'NextWindow' or 'NextWindow 1' but _not_
with 'NextTab'.  naturally, the same holds true for the shift+foo combos
which translate to 'Previous'.
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Re: Chess for Kids (and dummies like dads)

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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 13:02:22 -0500
Damon Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > if you haven't already tried it, visit sf.net and plug 'chess' into the
> > search window.  it will probably return a bunch of programs, including
> > some which are java based.
> 
> Thanks. I'll try that out.
> 
> > fwiw, i thought that gnuchess had level settings.  are you certain that
> > even level 1 is too difficult for your needs?
> 
> That could be part of the problem. There are no generalized level 
> settings for the chess engines I've found. Apparently, computer chess is 
> quite the discipline, involving plies and nodes and hash tables and who 
> knows what else. As best I can understand, the most I can do to weaken 
> the engine is to restrict the amount of time it has to think over moves 
> and the search depth it is allowed to consider. In xboard, I've set 
> pondering off (so the engine doesn't think when it's not its turn), 
> forced the engine to move after only 1 second of consideration (the 
> minimum time), and restricted the depth to 1 ply or node or whatever. 
> Even doing all that, gnuchess and crafty are much stronger than that old 
> MacChess program I talked about. If there's more I can do to make them 
> more kid-friendly, I'm all ears.

well damon,

i haven't at all tinkered with gnuchess, so i'm sorry that i cannot help
you.  i can, however, suggest one alternative, which may or may not be
to your liking...

since trying the 'game of go' (aka [p,b]aduk, wei-chi), i've entirely lost
all interest in the game of chess.  there is a similar program for playing
(gnugo) which allows you to set levels rather easily.  there are also nice
graphic clients out there (cgoban2 and ggo, among others).  you can play
with people on the net, live, 24 hours per day, and at all levels of
ability.

though the rules of chess really aren't all that complicated, the rules of
go are even more simple.  despite the reduced rule set, the strategies can
be so complex and nuanced that even the best designed programs can only
beat the most novice of players.  not true for chess.  (i give it a 3 stone
handicap at it's maximum level and still thrash it.  =)

the game is _thousands of years old_ and hugely popular in asian countries,
where professionals make millions of dollars and matches are regularly
televised.

if you're at all curious, here is a great link to get you started on the
rules (java enabled browser required) :

http://playgo.to/interactive/index.html

as far as online servers, there are many.  i have used several but most
recommend 'kgs' - for it's warm and highly supportive community, and wicked
go client.

http://kgs.kiseido.com/

hope that, in a roundabout way, this helps.  i also hope to see you and
your son online (just look for my nick ;)


cheers,
epi

p.s.  chess is for IBM.   (naively hoping not to cause a flame war)


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Re: Chess for Kids (and dummies like dads)

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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:24:53 -0500
Damon Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > As a BSD user, I can't help you.  As a chess player, I will comment
> > that there's a certain learning curve involved, and playing against
> > random moves isn't going to advance you far along it.  I've never known
> > anyone to become even moderately facile at chess without getting their
> > head pounded in on a regular basis.  If you or your son's ego isn't up
> > to that, OSB(Other Sports Beckon).  ;)
> 
> Point well taken. ;-) But...
> It's not that either of us mind losing per se. What I've discovered that 
> gnuchess and crafty are orders of magnitude stronger than the old 
> program we used to play against.
> 
> Say you want to learn to play tennis. You're just beginning. Who should 
> you begin challenging in order to improve your game and enjoy yourself 
> while doing it? Andy Roddick or the friend who's been taking 
> intermediate tennis lessons through the city rec dept? In this analogy, 
> the standard chess engines are Andy Roddicks and our old program was the 
> intermediate friend.
> 
> My son is just not gonna learn that much nor enjoy himself much playing 
> against Andy Roddick. I don't want his first serious foray into computer 
> chess to be *that* intimidating or demoralizing.
> 
> > That said, the MOST frustrating part of learning chess is usually
> > tactical, not strategic (inadvertently throwing away pieces).
> 
> That's it exactly.
> 
> > There are a
> > number of good web/Java based free chess games on the net - have you
> > tried any of them?  Many will show possible moves, blink to indicate
> > pieces at risk, etc.
> 
> That sounds great! Do you have any suggestions off hand? I thought my 
> searches were pretty exhaustive, but I didn't come up with anything like 
> what you're talking about.

if you haven't already tried it, visit sf.net and plug 'chess' into the
search window.  it will probably return a bunch of programs, including some
which are java based.

fwiw, i thought that gnuchess had level settings.  are you certain that
even level 1 is too difficult for your needs?


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Re: Problem installing cvsup on 4.10

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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 11:51:30 +0800 (SGT)
Peter Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am trying to get CVsup running on 4.10.
> 
> The handbook indicates it is easier to 
> install the package, so I went to the
> package collection and installed
> cvsup-16.1h
> 
> The package installation seemed to indicate
> the target directory was /usr/ports/net/cvsup.
> (this was a message asking me to confirm the
> installation from /stand/sysinstall)
> 
> When I had finished the installation, I could
> not run cvsup - command not found.

when you finish an installation, you'll very often have to issue the
'rehash' command, which tells your csh to reread the $PATH which is set in
your .cshrc

if you didn't do this, you'll probably see the command 'magically' appear
after your next boot or if you open another term and su to root.

you do have to run this command as root, btw.;)

> So I thought maybe I had to install from the
> ports collection, so I cd'd to /usr/ports/net/cvsup
> and ran Make.  That seemed to go OK.
> 
> Then I did a Make Install.  It stops with error
> code 1. It says cvsup-16.1h already installed.

try 'pkg_info | grep -i cvsup' to see if you do have the program installed.

and, as root, 'echo $PATH'


> I am not sure what I am doing wrong in all this.
> Can anyone spot what it is ?

my first guess would be the 'rehash'.  further guesses would depend upon
what you get from pkg_info and $PATH.

hth,
epi

> (I realise that I shouldnt normally be installing
> from a port just after a package install, but that
> was just because I was out of ideas)
> 
> Thanks
> Peter
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Re: BigApache for Windows - Why doesn't BSD have an installer package like this ???

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> & it still won't start.
> As I can't get it to start, I just delete this line using VI(I am getting
> better :) 

vi isn't the easiest program to learn and master, but it is available on
pretty much every *nix system in the universe, so time invested is
generally well rewarded not only by gains in productivity, but also by
portability of your skills.

this said, and because i'm convinced that you've given the handbook only
the most cursory of glances (such a good document - shame on you), i
thought it would be worth pointing out that freebsd comes with another
editor in it's base system - ee.  if you're only going to be doing minor
edits here and there, you might consider checking it out.  its learning
curve is not nearly 1/10th as steep as vi's, but then, neither is it nearly
1/10th as powerful.

2 cents.  epi out.

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Re: OOo packages for FreeBSD porting <-> projects.imp

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On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:57:57 +0200
dick hoogendijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Normally I download the FreeBSd packages (4.10R) on
> http://projects.imp.ch but the lates version they have for fbsd-4.10 is
> OOo-1.1.0_1
> On the openoffice site I followed some links to the
> porting.openoffice.org for freebsd and saw packages for freebsd-4.10
> OOO-version 1.1.2 which is quite higher than on imp.ch
> 
> Can someone tell me if it's OK to upgrade or should I just stay with the
> packages from projects.imp.ch? FWIW, the latter work fine ;-)

the packages you find below should be just fine:

http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/


enjoy.

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Re: Newbie Problems with cvsup and updating files.

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On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 00:23:01 -0400 (EDT)
Paul R Culmo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, 31 Jul 2004, Bill Moran wrote:
> > Yes, I think your supfile is wrong.
> 
> > > *default release=cvs RELENG_5_2_1_RELEASE
> > 
> > ^^^ This line is what I believe is wrong, replace it with these two
> > lines:
> > *default release=cvs
> > *default tag=RELENG_5_2_1_RELEASE
> > 
> > Although I would recommend tag=RELENG_5_2_1, but that's you're call.
> > 
> 
> Thanks for the reply ,  I made the changes you suggested and re-ran the 
> cvsup but then things got worse,  it deleted all the Makefiles.  I guess
> I need to start over with a vanilla src tree from the CD?  then make 
> buildworld etc.. right ?

um, to my knowledge, no.  not if you've got connectivity and cvsup
installed. in fact, you don't even need to remove /usr/src, because cvsup
should take care of everything for you (ie. remove wrong files, add
necessary ones, leave correct ones).

i suspect that your standard-supfile is to blame, if anything isn't
working.  it could be that you're inadvertently pulling down HEAD, which is
by definition, not guaranteed to build.

here is a copy of my file:


*default host=cvsup3.freebsd.org
*default base=/usr/local/etc/cvsup
*default prefix=/usr/
*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4_10
*default delete use-rel-suffix compress

# 1) change cvsup3 for the host you want to use
# 2) change RELENG_4_10 for the tag you want
# i believe that RELENG_5_2 is the correct number in your case
# this will pull down any security and other critical fixes based upon
# freebsd 5.2.x

src-base
src-bin
src-contrib
src-crypto
src-etc
src-games
src-gnu
src-include
src-lib
src-libexec
src-release
src-sbin
src-secure
src-share
src-sys
src-sys-crypto
src-tools
src-usrbin
src-usrsbin

#src-all
#src-kerberos5
#src-kerberosIV
#src-eBones


1) you might find it easier to simple use 'src-all' and comment out or
delete the rest of the src-* entries.

2) if you're using a refuse file, do double check that it's contents
reflect what you actually want.  if you're not _100%_sure_ whether or not
you have one, try 'find / -name refuse -print'

3) depending on where you placed your config files, you may not be using
the correct supfile.  try feeding cvsup an absolute path, just to be
certain.  'cvsup /foo/path/to/your/standard-supfile'

hope this helps.


cheers,
epi

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Re: can i delete /usr/obj/ before installworld?

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On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 10:36:16 +
Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> I'm really short on diskspace, and I have no room to run a make
> buildkernel after I run make buildworld.
> 
> Is it possible to do the following:
> 
> make buildworld
> rm -fr /usr/obj
> make buildkernel
> make installkernel
> -reboot single user
> make installworld

hello scott,

if i am not mistaken, everything created by make buildworld is what ends up
under /usr/obj.  by deleting these files, you are effectively removing
everything that you want to install via make installworld.

(perhaps?) a more space effective workaround would be to:

1) build a generic kernel and keep that lying about.  in other words, copy
the new generic kernel you build to another file like kernel.generic. 
these are pretty good about booting up, the despite minor changes that can
take place from buildworld to buildworld.

2) perform the make buildworld, reboot, make installworld, mergemaster,
reboot.

3) boot with your kernel.generic, clean out usr/obj, then make a new
kernel.

if this still doesn't work for you, i would recommend cleaning out some of
the directories which can chew up free disk space.  for example, 
/usr/ports/distfiles/ and /usr/ports/*/work (see man portsclean - part of
portinstall tools) and your/tmp (if you don't already have
clear_tmp_enable="YES" set in your rc.conf).

i know that this isn't exactly a perfect solution, but i hope nevertheless
that it helps you to achieve your end goal.


cheers,
epi


> TIA
> Scott
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Re: Antialiased fonts in Linux applications

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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:20:24 +0200 (CEST)
Svein Halvor Halvorsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Font in Linux applications no longer render as they should. Both
> antialiasing and hinting is off. This applies to Acrobat Reader,
> Mathematica, Maple and Opera (ie. all my Linux applications)
> 
> I have symlinks to /usr/X11R6/etc/fonts/* in /usr/compat/linux/etc/fonts
> 
> This used to work, but I don't know what has changed since then, since I
> did a lot of portupgrades in time between this was last known to work,
> and when it recently stopped working.

i noticed the same thing happen to my setup, after upgrading to xorg.  in
my case acroread works.  unfortunately, i don't run mathematica or maple. 
however, for linux-opera, try adding the following settings in
$HOME/.linux-opera/opera6.ini:

[User Prefs]<<  under this section
Enable Core X Fonts=0
Enable Xft Fonts=1
Trust Qt FontSwitching=0

though i find that many pages in opera don't look quite as sharp as before,
this should make your opera fonts look acceptable.   from within opera,
you can also tinker with alt+p > fonts in order to better align the output
to your tastes.

hopefully someone will suggest a more general (ie. system-wide) fix for
your issue.  in the meantime, i would suggest taking a gander at
your/var/log/Xorg.0.log for any error and warning messages.

hth.


cheers,
epi

 
> Any help would be greatly appricated.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Svein Halvor
> 
> 
> Here is a list of my ports:
> 
> Hermes-1.3.2Fast pixel formats conversion library
> ImageMagick-5.5.7.15_1 Image processing tools
> Mesa-3.4.2_2A graphics library similar to SGI's OpenGL
> ORBit-0.5.17_2  High-performance CORBA ORB with support for the C
> language ORBit2-2.10.3   High-performance CORBA ORB with support for
> the C language Xaw3d-1.5   A 3-D Athena Widget set that looks
> like Motif aalib-1.4.r5_1  An ascii art library
> acpicatools-20021118.0 Some utilities for Intel ACPICA (Debugger, ASL
> Compiler and acroread-5.08   View, distribute and print PDF documents
> arts-1.1.4_2,1  Audio system for the KDE integrated X11 desktop
> aspell-0.50.5_3 Spelling checker with better suggestion logic than
> ispell atk-1.6.1   A GNOME accessibility toolkit (ATK)
> autoconf-2.53_1 Automatically configure source code on many Un*x
> platforms autoconf213-2.13.000227_5 Automatically configure source code
> on many Un*x platforms automake-1.5,1  GNU Standards-compliant
> Makefile generator automake14-1.4.5_9  GNU Standards-compliant Makefile
> generator (legacy version avifile-0.7.38_3,2  AVI player/converter with
> numerous codecs, including MPEG-4 bash-2.05b.007  The GNU Bourne
> Again Shell bbpager-0.3.1   A pager for the Blackbox window manager
> bison-1.75_2A parser generator from FSF, (mostly) compatible with
> Yacc bitstream-vera-1.10 Bitstream Vera TrueType font collection
> boxtools-0.65.0 Style tools for the blackbox family of window
> managers bsd-airtools-0.3BSD Wireless Scanning Tools
> cdparanoia-3.9.8_7  A CDDA extraction tool (also known as ripper)
> cdrtools-2.0.3_1Cdrecord and several other programs to record CD-R[W]
> compat3x-i386-5.0.20020925 A convenience package to install the compat3x
> libraries coreutils-5.0_1 The Free Software Foundation's core
> utilities ctorrent-1.3.2  BitTorrent Client written in C for FreeBSD
> and Linux cups-base-1.1.20.0  The Common UNIX Printing System: headers,
> libs, & daemons cups-pstoraster-7.07_1 GNU Postscript interpreter for
> CUPS printing to non-PS prin curl-7.11.0 Non-interactive tool to
> get files from FTP, GOPHER, HTTP(S) cvsup-16.1h General network
> file distribution system optimized for CVS db4-4.0.14_1,1  The
> Berkeley DB package, revision 4 db41-4.1.25_1   The Berkeley DB
> package, revision 4.1 dbh-1.0.18  Disk Based Hashtables
> dict-1.9.11 Dictionary Server Protocol (RFC2229) client
> djbfft-0.76 An extremely fast library for floating-point
> convolution docbook-sk-4.1.2_3  XML version of the DocBook DTD version
> controlled for Scrol docbook-xml-4.2_1   XML version of the DocBook DTD
> docbook-xsl-1.65.1  XSL DocBook stylesheets
> dri-4.3.0,1 OpenGL hardware acceleration drivers for XFree86
> dv2jpg-1.1_3Convert Type-2 DV codec-encoded AVI streams to
> mjpeg-encode dvts-1.0a_3 A imprementation of Digital Video
> Transport System emacs-21.3  GNU editing macros
> esound-0.2.34   A sound library for enlightenment package
> expat-1.95.7XML 1.0 parser written in C
> ezm3-1.1Easier, more portable Modula-3 distribution for
> building CV fam-2.6.9_4 A file alteration monitor
> ffmpeg-0.4.5_7  Hyper fast realtime audio/video encoder/converter,
> streamin fftw-2.1.5_2Fast C routines to compute the Discrete
> Fourier Transform findutils-4.1_2 The GNU find utilities
> flac-1.1.0_3Free 

Re: OSS

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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 02:57:38 -0500
Miguel Cardenas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello
> 
> Sorry for my ignorance, am new to FreeBSD... which is the kernel config
> file? is it a configuration for compiling or at boot time? am linux user
> so will not bee too hard, just tell me which is the file pls :D

hello miguel,

the best place to start would be the freebsd handbook.  you can read the
online copy at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/
or consult your local copy in /usr/share/doc/en/books/handbook/index.html

see section 9.


cheers,
epi

> Regards,
> Miguel
> 
> > This should be automatically created by devfs.  I would make certain
> > that the proper device entry is installed in your kernel config.  For
> > my system, I need to add the following line to my kernel config file:
> >
> > device  pcm
> >
> > I hope this helps.
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wm dropping keypresses since moving to xorg (strange)

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hello x11, questions,

i have some reservations about sending this in, because it sounds a bit
weird, but i've jumped through all the usual self-serve hoops and i'm about
at my wits end.

since switching to xorg, when i alt+tab to a window with my wm of choice
(fluxbox-devel), the 1st keypress is always dropped in the new window,
regardless of whether that window is a *term, mail client, browser, ...

say i alt+tab to an xterm.  for 'man' to appear on the command line, i must
type 'mman' or 'ccd' for 'cd'.

the window only drops that 1st key.  if i alt+tab away and come back, it
will again drop only the 1st key.


here is what i know:

1) it doesn't happen if i use the mouse.
2) this problem was not apparent when i tested for it with icewm or xfce4.
3) fluxbox used to play very nicely with xfree.


here is what i've tried:

1) google, fbsd and xorg mailing lists.
2) contacted the fluxbox developers over irc.  several are running xorg
and fluxbox on linux without the problems i'm seeing.(?!)
3) rebuilt xorg then fluxbox-devel.  removed .fluxbox to ensure that the
default settings would load.
4) played with xorg.conf (used old xfree.conf, built a new xorg.conf,
and changed various settings withing xorg.conf)
5) attempted to pinpoint the issue via xev, but failed miserably.


it smells like some sort of 'focus' problem to me.  any suggestions would
be very much appreciated.

hoping that i'm not alone here.


thanks,
epi


p.s. a little additional info for any of you who know a bit about fluxbox
settings.  the problem seems only to occur with those keybindings
(like alt+tab) which are mapped to 'NextWindow' or 'NextWindow 1' but _not_
with 'NextTab'.  naturally, the same holds true for the shift+foo combos
which translate to 'Previous'.
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Re: Windows X

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:55:05 -0500
"Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am a new user to FreeBSD.  Is Windows X an extremely basic windows
> program.  I loaded your CD that I purchased from Microcenter onto my
> computer and I was not able to see anything except a very primitive
> windows program.  If this is what is then I'm fine with it, but if there
> is more how can I get to it?

there is most definitely both more functionality and eye candy available
than what you're probably seeing right now.

since you're new to freebsd (and, presumably, unix in general), you're
going to want to spend quite a bit of time reading.  searching through the
following sources will probably yield the richest results:

o  the freebsd handbook (perhaps the best OS handbook out there):
- http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html
- you also have a copy locally installed at /usr/share/doc/handbook.

o the freebsd-questions mailing list archive:
   - http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/

o google

o any books you may have purchased.

regarding your question, i would recommend starting off with the handbook
section on X:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html

note that the handbook only touches upon 3 of the better known window
managers/desktop environments.  if you're looking for something that won't
be too disorienting (say you're coming from windows or mac), try KDE or
GNOME.  these are full blown desktop enviroments (applications, games, etc)
and HUGE installations.

there are scads of other window managers out there and these vary
greatly in size and functionality.  with a little time and experimentation,
you'll eventually find the one that best suits your needs.

about format for mailing list questions:

o many people reading and replying here use tools that don't react quite
the same way as outlook express.  your messages with reach the greatest
amount of readers while causing these the least amount of grief, if you
'wrap' your messages at around 75 characters.  (either through a setting in
your mail client or by simply hitting return every now and then)

o you may find this article helpful --> http://www.lemis.com/questions.html


hope this helps and welcome to freebsd.


cheers,
epi


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Re: Our package system: "Fundamentally Flawed" - A Linux User.

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:09:28 +0200 (CEST)
Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > a different library name) like it should, pkg_add only gives a warning
> > and an assumption that the install went well.
> >
> > Now, the user goes to run the package and gets a big fat error:
> > libintl.so.X not found.
> 
> package 0.13 should be compatible with 0.12 or should has name 1.*
> 
> anyway - in 99.99% times
> ln -s libintl.so.X libintl.so.Y where Y is required number
> works :)

another fix to this problem is to issue pkgdb -fu, then indicate for the
program to depend on whatever collections you have installed.

> >
> > For a user like myself, this is no problem. I can recognize the error
> > and figure out how to fix it manually. For a user considering switching
> > to FreeBSD from Linux, this is considered a "fundamental flaw" in our
> > package system and may lead to a very annoying flame war. Can this be
> > fixed? Why hasn't it been fixed?

i prefer this to consider this simply a different solution to a similar
problem.  when i bump into comments like this, i generally like to provide
a link which (i think) very well outlines many of the important design
differences between freebsd and linux.

http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php

it might seem a tad long, but it is a rewarding read.  highly recommended.

hope that this helps to dispel any misconceptions you may have.


cheers,
epi

p.s. obviously any system (yes, even linux and bsd) can be improved.  the
question of _what_ to improve often boils down to 'how' (different
solutions bring different trade-offs) and 'for what investment of time and
energy' (not everything is equally urgent).

> war requires 2 sides to fight. simplest way to avoid is ignore them.
> 
> no one forces linux user to go to FreeBSD or otherBSD.
> 
> 
> 2 years ago mostly because linux started "the only right" solution and to
> be "better than windows" i switched to NetBSD. and found that this said
> to be worse *BSD are actually better.
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Re: Openoffice

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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:30:47 -0400
Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Osmany Guirola Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi people..
> > simple question
> > Where can i find a binary distribution of openoffice for FreeBSD
> 
> >From the OpenOffice.org web site, downloads section.
> 
> Last I checked, there were prebuilt packages for FreeBSD 4 and 5.

yes, and you can download them from here.

http://oootranslation.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/ooomisc/FreeBSD/
 
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Re: upgrading form 4.2 to 5.x

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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:14:22 -0400
epilogue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:50:13 +0200
> Remko Lodder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Brent Bailey wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello,
> > > My company has been asked to help with the upgrade of several Freebsd
> > > systems that are pretty old. The customer is running a file server
> > > samba also running apache running FBSD 4.2,  he wants to upgrade
> > > using cvsup & the make buildworld procedure to upgrade to 5.x. Im
> > > very familier with the make buildworld procedure however there have
> > > been significant changes between 4.2 & 5.x  so is this something that
> > > can be done without many problems ?
> 
> hello brent,
> 
> though i don't know anyone who has gone this route, i imagine it is
> possible.  the reason most people don't cvsup from 4.x to 5.x is because
> there is a fundamental change in the filesystem (details of which escape
> me now - check the release notes at freebsd.org).

it bugged me not to remember, so i had a look.  it is UFS1 for 4.x vs. UFS2
for 5.x (which can still deal with UFS1).  the following is a very
informative article, one to which should not only help you decide, but to
which you can direct your client, should you so be inclined:

http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.2.1R/early-adopter.html


epi

p.s.:  removed stable from the post.

> by simply cvsupping, you
> will _not_ be able to take advantage of the new filesystem.
> 
> if your customer insists upon 5.x, it would probably be best to prepare a
> full back-up then:
> 
> a) take the machine down, make a fresh install of 5.x, then load back
> data.
> 
> b) build and configure a parallel 5.x machine, load it with the backed-up
> data, then find a new use for the 4.x series machine.
> 
> hth.
> 
> 
> cheers,
> epi
> 
> > > Aside from reading throught the /usr/src/UPDATING file are
> > > there things i should look out for being that the 2 versions are so
> > > differrent.
> > > 
> > > personally i would recommend going to the lastest stable release
> > > 4.10-p2
> > > 
> > > I welcome this lists thoughts & opions on this matter
> > > 
> > > thank in advance for any help :-)
> > 
> > Hey Brent,
> > 
> > FreeBSD 5.x has not yet been described as production release ready.
> > So your customer is best advised to use the 4.x branch, and indeed at 
> > the moment that is 4.10 (and the patches afterwards ofcourse).
> > 
> > However i am running FreeBSD 5.x as production server in 2 colocated 
> > boxes without any problems. So it does not mean that it's crashing all 
> > the time, but there might be bugs that can cause downtime for your 
> > customer, and he should be willing to risk that problem if you want to 
> > upgrade to 5.x. If he prefers stablitity, and little downtime you do 
> > best to upgrade to the latest 4 release with patches.
> > 
> > Since it's a very long while back that i runned 4.x (4.3 ...) i can't 
> > remember anymore what the huge differences are, perhaps someone else
> > can describe that to you.
> > 
> > Cheers!
> > 
> > -- 
> > Kind regards,
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Re: buildworld fails in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/ ==>make: don't know how to make getopt.c

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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:59:32 -0500 (CDT)
"Lane Holcombe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm upgrading from 4.9-RELEASE to 4.10-STABLE, but I can't get past "make
> buildworld"

in your sup file, have you got RELENG_4 or RELENG_4_10?
 
> I ran "make clean" from /usr/src, then cvsup'd src-all from
> cvsup3.freebsd.org and ran "make buildworld" from /usr/src but got the
> error below.
> 
> So, just to make sure everything was ok, I ran "rm -rd /usr/obj" and "rm
> - rd /usr/src", cvsup'd again, but got the same error.
> 
> Here's what's in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf:
> 
> drwxr-xr-x   3 root  wheel  512 Jul 17 15:12 .
> drwxr-xr-x  28 root  wheel  512 Jul 17 13:55 ..
> -rw-r--r--   1 root  wheel  473 Aug  9  2002 Makefile
> -rw-r--r--   1 root  wheel  724 Feb 15  2001 config.h
> drwxr-xr-x   2 root  wheel  512 Jul 17 15:11 doc
> 
> and /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/doc:
> 
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Jul 17 15:11 .
> drwxr-xr-x  3 root  wheel  512 Jul 17 15:12 ..
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  305 Feb 15  2001 Makefile
> 
> and /usr/src/contrib/gperf:
> 
> drwxr-xr-x   6 root  wheel512 Jul 17 15:37 .
> drwxr-xr-x  50 root  wheel   1024 Jul 17 15:34 ..
> -rw-r--r--   1 root  wheel 86 Feb 15  2001 AUTHORS
> -rw-r--r--   1 root  wheel  18149 Feb 15  2001 COPYING
> -rw-r--r--   1 root  wheel  81182 Feb 15  2001 ChangeLog
> -rw-r--r--   1 root  wheel144 Feb 16 19:51 FREEBSD-Xlist
> -rw-r--r--   1 root  wheel   7833 Feb 15  2001 INSTALL
> -rw-r--r--   1 root  wheel   2576 Jul 17 15:37 Makefile
> -rw-r--r--   1 root  wheel   1017 Feb 15  2001 Makefile.devel
> -rw-r--r--   1 root  wheel   1662 Feb 15  2001 Makefile.in
> -rw-r--r--   1 root  wheel588 Feb 15  2001 NEWS
> -rw-r--r--   1 root  wheel   1271 Feb 15  2001 README
> -rw-r--r--   1 root  wheel 93 Feb 15  2001 acconfig.h
> -rw-r--r--   1 root  wheel   2387 Feb 15  2001 aclocal.m4
> -rw-r--r--   1 root  wheel   1756 Jul 17 15:37 config.cache
> -rw-r--r--   1 root  wheel177 Jul 17 15:37 config.log
> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root  wheel   4702 Jul 17 15:37 config.status
> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root  wheel  30797 Feb 15  2001 configure
> -rw-r--r--   1 root  wheel   1270 Feb 15  2001 configure.in
> drwxr-xr-x   2 root  wheel512 Jul 17 15:37 doc
> drwxr-xr-x   2 root  wheel512 Jul 17 15:37 lib
> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root  wheel722 Feb 15  2001 mkinstalldirs
> drwxr-xr-x   2 root  wheel   1024 Jul 17 15:37 src
> drwxr-xr-x   2 root  wheel   1024 Jul 17 15:37 tests
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> lane
> 
> echo "===> gnu/usr.bin/gperf";  cd /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf;  make
> DIRPRFX=gnu/usr.bin/gperf/ obj;  make DIRPRFX=gnu/usr.bin/gperf/ depend; 
> make DIRPRFX=gnu/ usr.bin/gperf/ all;  make DIRPRFX=gnu/usr.bin/gperf/
> DESTDIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/i3 86 install
> ===> gnu/usr.bin/gperf
> /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf created for
> /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf
> ===> gnu/usr.bin/gperf/doc
> /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/doc created for
> /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/doc
> make: don't know how to make getopt.c. Stop
> *** Error code 2
> 
> Stop in /usr/src.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/src.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/src.
> joeandlane#:ROOT>
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Re: upgrading form 4.2 to 5.x

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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:50:13 +0200
Remko Lodder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Brent Bailey wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > My company has been asked to help with the upgrade of several Freebsd
> > systems that are pretty old. The customer is running a file server
> > samba also running apache running FBSD 4.2,  he wants to upgrade using
> > cvsup & the make buildworld procedure to upgrade to 5.x. Im very
> > familier with the make buildworld procedure however there have been
> > significant changes between 4.2 & 5.x  so is this something that can be
> > done without many problems ?

hello brent,

though i don't know anyone who has gone this route, i imagine it is
possible.  the reason most people don't cvsup from 4.x to 5.x is because
there is a fundamental change in the filesystem (details of which escape me
now - check the release notes at freebsd.org).  by simply cvsupping, you
will _not_ be able to take advantage of the new filesystem.

if your customer insists upon 5.x, it would probably be best to prepare a
full back-up then:

a) take the machine down, make a fresh install of 5.x, then load back data.

b) build and configure a parallel 5.x machine, load it with the backed-up
data, then find a new use for the 4.x series machine.

hth.


cheers,
epi

> > Aside from reading throught the /usr/src/UPDATING file are
> > there things i should look out for being that the 2 versions are so
> > differrent.
> > 
> > personally i would recommend going to the lastest stable release
> > 4.10-p2
> > 
> > I welcome this lists thoughts & opions on this matter
> > 
> > thank in advance for any help :-)
> 
> Hey Brent,
> 
> FreeBSD 5.x has not yet been described as production release ready.
> So your customer is best advised to use the 4.x branch, and indeed at 
> the moment that is 4.10 (and the patches afterwards ofcourse).
> 
> However i am running FreeBSD 5.x as production server in 2 colocated 
> boxes without any problems. So it does not mean that it's crashing all 
> the time, but there might be bugs that can cause downtime for your 
> customer, and he should be willing to risk that problem if you want to 
> upgrade to 5.x. If he prefers stablitity, and little downtime you do 
> best to upgrade to the latest 4 release with patches.
> 
> Since it's a very long while back that i runned 4.x (4.3 ...) i can't 
> remember anymore what the huge differences are, perhaps someone else can 
> describe that to you.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
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Re: Root fs full -> free space always below 0

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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:37:29 -0500
uidzero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Peter Schuller wrote:
> 
> >Hello,
> >
> >so during a portupgrade on my laptop the root fs, with soft updates
> >enabled, became full. So I removed a bunch of stuff to make a few gigs
> >available. I checked and df reported more than a gig of free space - so
> >I re-ran portupgrade.
> >
> >Then I noticed it was full again, with df showing a negative amount of
> >free space.
> >
> >I removed even more stuff, and rebooted just incase there were more
> >blocks to be freed.
> >
> >After the reboot df showed a negative amount of space again. So I
> >removed even more data (rm -rf /usr/ports/distfiles) and now I had 115
> >meg free df claimed. I then re-ran df in quick succession a few times
> >and watched diskspace rapidly decrease to a negative 600 meg or so
> >(note: the decrease was perhaps 150 meg/second, so it cannot have been a
> >process writing data to disk in the background).
> >
> >After a couple more reboots and a manual fsck in single user mode I
> >still have the same problem (on both CURRENT and 5.2.1-RELEASE kernels).
> >
> >What to do?
> >
> Have you tried editing your ports-supfile and commenting out the 
> "src-all" and the Chinese, German, etc... ports? Just make sure you have 
> all the other ports uncommented. That will save you a lot of space, 
> unless you need them.

while this 'will' save space, it will 'almost certainly' break any local
/usr/ports/INDEX builds you attempt.


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Re: trouble with 5.2.1-RELEASE install

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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:09:48 +1000 (EST)
eodyna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hi,
> 
> it doesn't seam that today is my day :P
> 
> ive tried to install 5.2.1 on a machine and i get the
> following error 
> (sorry i had to type it)

hello eo,

i'm sorry that you had to type it too.;)
 
> freebsd 5.2.1-release #0
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
> preloaded elf kernel "/boot/kernel/kernel" at
> 0xc0e1b000
> preloaded mfs_root "/boot/mfsroot" at 0xc0e1b0cc.
> time coutner "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
> CPU: intel pentum III (597.96-Mhz 686-class cpu)
> orgin="genineintel" id = 0x681 stepping =1
> features=0x387f9ff 
> MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,PN,MMX,FXSR,SSE>
> real memory= 268435456( 256MB)
> avail memory = 246931456 (235MB)
> Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
> npx0: [FAST]
> npx0: on motherboard
> npx0: INT 16 interface
> PCIbios: BIOS version 2.10
> Using $PIR table, 9 entries at 0xc00ed150
> pcib0:  at pcibus 0 on motherboard
> pci0:  on pcib0
> pci_cfgintr:0:31 INTD BIOS irq 11
> pci_cfgintr:0:31 INTD BIOS irq 11
> agp0:  mem
> 0x4400-0x47ff at device 0,0 on pci0
> pcib1:  at device 1.0 on pci0
> pci1:  on pcib1

this is only a guess but, if you have any 'non-essential' peripherals
plugged into your machine (via firewire, usb, pcmcia, or other), i would
suggest that you remove them and try the install again.

(or just sit tight and wait for an educated response.   ;)

you may want to have a look at this thread:
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2003-November/026083.html

if you this error looks the same to you, perhaps you could run that memtest
program and post your results?

either way, it would probably be helpful if you gave us as much information
as you could about the system on which you're trying to install (ex. cpu,
motherboard, harddrive,...)


cheers,
epi


> fatal trap 12; page fault while in kernel mode
> cpuid = 0; apic id =00
> fault virtual address = 0x240
> fault code = supervisor read, page no present
> instruction pointer =0x8:0xc7dc36f
> stack pointer = 0x10:0xc10218f2
> frame pointer = 0x10:0xc1021932
> code segment = base 0x0; limit 0xff,type 0x1b
>   = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1
> processor eflags = interrrupt enabled, resume, IOPL=0
> current porcess = 0(swapper)
> trap number = 12
> panic: 0;
> cpuid =0;
> uptime=1s
> 
> --
> 
> can someone help me troubleshoot this? Im not sure how
> to go about it, or what this actually mean.
> sorry im kinda new.
> 
> thanks again
> 
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Re: Building JDK-1.4 fails, even with linprocfs mounted

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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:04:00 +0200
Gustaaf Wijnands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Svein Halvor Halvorsen wrote:
> > Trying to build the port jdk14, I get the following error message:
> > 
> > /.amd_mnt/mirrorball/export/ports/java/jdk14/work/control/build/bsd-i5
> > 86/gensrc/java/util/CurrencyData.java:1: 'class' or 'interface'
> > expected Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM warning: Can't detect initial
> > thread stack location^
> > /.amd_mnt/mirrorball/export/ports/java/jdk14/work/control/build/bsd-i5
> > 86/gensrc/java/util/CurrencyData.java:1: unclosed character literal
> > Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM warning: Can't detect initial thread stack
> > location
> > 
> > 
> > A search for this gives quite a lot of hits, but all seem to suggest
> > that the linprcfs is either not mounted, or that linux-supprt is not
> > loaded into the kernel. Well in my case neither seems to hold true:
> > 
> Svein,
> 
> Did you do a make install (not make install clean) in linux-sun-jdk14 ? 
> If so, do a make deinstall in ports/java/jdk14/ and remove 
> ports/java/jdk14/work and its contents.

this can be achieved by a simple 'make clean'   ;)

> then make install clean in that 
> port. At least that's what helped me.

so, try 'make clean; make install clean'  this will clear out any cruft
from a previous build, it will build anew, then install, and finally
tidy-up after the install.

> http://www.freebsdforums.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23254
> 
> 
> good luck!
> 
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> 
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Re: Newbie: Drive geometry in freebsd 4.10

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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:40:21 -0300
Geoffrey Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm trying to tri-boot windows, gentoo and freebsd 4.10 cause I don't 
> have an extra HD but had an extra slice to install.
> the hd is a maxtor 40gb IDE, model# 4d040h2, labeled on it says:  cyl 
> 16383 / head 16 / sectors 63 / LBA 80043264
> when I throw the first install cd in it says the drive geometry is 
> (4982/16/63 80035830). I booted into gentoo and used
> "hdparm -g /dev/hda" which gave me 65535/16/63 = 80043264
> and to be quite honest I've looked but cannot find out where to locate 
> the BIOSs geometry but partition magic SEEMS
> to indicated physcial geometry of 4982/255/63.
> I tried to find information in the handbook about it but couldn't and a 
> google for this is overwelming for a newbie
> and nothing specifically I can see about my drive geometry...
> 
> /dev/ad0s1 -->  WinXP
> /dev/ad0s2 -->  Gentoo2004.1
> /dev/ad0s3 -->  ** FREEBSD **
> /dev/ad0s4 -->  EXTENDED
> /dev/ad0s5 -->  FAT32 partition for downloading to on all OSs
> /dev/ad0s6 -->  Linux SWAP
> 
> I'm not sure which drive geometry I should be using, I've heard of 
> issues installing freebsd causes problems with the geometry
> and using other os/utils (ghost/partition magic) afterwards. I do not 
> want to lose anything on the drive!
> If I need the BIOSs geometry, I would appreciate a suggestion of a tool 
> to find this out or can I trust the hdparm/partitionmagic?

i know next to nothing about disk geometries, but i have defintely seen
some linux HOWTOs which cover multiple booting (windows, linux, bsd).  i
would have another google, if i were you.  try using keywords like
'freebsd' 'linux' 'windows' 'dual-boot' and 'triple-boot'.

also, try visiting tldp.org for that HOWTO.

and see http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/multi-os/

and maybe http://geodsoft.com/howto/dualboot/

perhaps another reader will have more info or a better link to provide.  at
any rate, good luck.

> I would appreciate the help,
> Geoff
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Re: FreeBSD beginner (NetBSD advanced)

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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:30:10 +0200 (CEST)
Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> i want to go to FreeBSD instead of NetBSD on my i386 machines because of 
> all "new features" :( introduced in NetBSD after 1.5 mostly crashing
> softdeps, strange memory/unified disk cache management (large writing to 
> file almost freezes everything) etc. etc.
> 
> i installed FreeBSD once to do quick performance tests, and at least in 
> disk I/O and fair scheduling it's MUCH better (tested 4.10 and 5.1).
> 
> my questions:
> 
> 1) what is Buf and Cache in top exactly? why buf on 96MB machine gets to 
> near 20MB and never goes down? it's almost 1/4 of memory size.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html  (point #2)

> 2) can i compile kernel with -march=pentium,pentium[234] -O2
> optimization? in NetBSD 2.0 doing -march=pentium produces kernel that
> doesn't boot at all, just resets.

the following appears in /etc/make.conf:
"CFLAGS controls the compiler settings used when compiling C code. Note
that optimization settings above -O (-O2, ...) are not recommended or
supported for compiling the world or the kernel"

i'm working with 4.10 and have the following line in my /etc/make.conf
CPUTYPE=i686

are either of these were what you were looking for?

> 3) how can i disable compiling, using etc.. all that LKM (KLD) stuff?
> 
> i really prefer one static kernel.
>
> 4) is IPv6 working well? (i mean no crashes etc...) i will get real IPv6 
> zone allocation soon and want to use it.
> 
> 5) what is used in FreeBSD for traffic management. NetBSD has altq - 
> please just give me a name i will RTFM.
> 
> 6) how to turn using serial port as console on i386? my home machine is 
> headless, i'm using X terminals to access it.

is this what you're looking for?
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/serialconsole-setup.html

if you've got firewire, you may also want to look at man dcons.

> 7) does FreeBSD support 2 CPUs on i386?

yes, though i have no experience with it.

you may care to peruse the handbook
(see link above)

or check the freebsd-questions mailing list archives
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/

or google

> sorry if too much questions at once, i would like to move my home machine
> to FreeBSD tomorrow, test it at real for a month and then (if it will be 
> better than NetBSD for my needs) replace other machines.
> 
> should i go to 4.10 or better 5.2.1? stability is really important to me.

i would recommend 4.10.  though the 5.x series is solid, it is undergoing
heavy development.  5.x won't be releasing a 'stable' version until
sometime later this year.

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Re: Freebsd 5.1 <-> Win XP Networking problems

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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:06:38 -0400
epilogue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:40:10 -0600
> Danny MacMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 03:41:04AM -0600, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 02:32:46PM -0700, Darren Pilgrim wrote:
> > > 
> > > > >   ifconfig_ed0="inet 192.168.1.0/24  netmask 255.255.0.0"
> > > > >   ifconfig_vr0="inet 192.168.0.0/24  netmask 255.255.0.0"
> > > > 
> > > > 192.168.1.0/24 and 192.168.0.0/24 are blocks of addresses in CIDR
> > > > notation, not the actual addresses to be fed to ifconfig.  You need
> > > > to pick addresses within the netblock to use for myserver and all
> > > > the other machines on your network.  Since myserver can reach the
> > > > internet just fine, you should keep the IP address for vr0 the
> > > > same, just lengthen the netmask to allow the use of 192.168.1.0/24
> > > > on the LAN.
> > > 
> > > ifconfig(8) understands CIDR notation just fine, although it's not
> > > usual to configure an interface using the '.0' /network/ address. 
> > > Look on it as a third alternate way of specifying the netmask, so
> > > that the following three examples are equivalent:
> > > 
> > >   ifconfig fxp0 inet 192.168.123.74/29
> > > ifconfig fxp0 inet 192.168.123.74 netmask 0xfff8
> > > ifconfig fxp0 inet 192.168.123.74 netmask 255.255.255.248
> > > 
> > > Those correspond to the slightly contrived example of the /29 network
> > > starting with network address 192.168.123.72 and running up to the
> > > broadcast address 192.168.123.79
> > > 
> > > Note: you can give a broadcast address on the ifconfig command line,
> > > but usually it's not necessary as a standard value will be calculated
> > > from any ip number forming part of that network and from the netmask.
> > > However you can't in general use ip address + broadcast to do the
> > > converse, as there isn't necessarily a unique solution.
> > 
> > I apologize for asking this question here, but I've googled and read
> > arp(4) and arp(1) and nothing I can see gives a clear answer (at least
> > clear to me).  It is related to this thread.
> > 
> > Is it the subnet mask that lets my computer know that for an IP address
> > located external to my network it should send the packet to the router
> > (using the router's MAC address) instead of arp-ing for the MAC address
> > of the target node?
> 
> hello danny,
> 
> i'm only going to speak to the part immediately above...
> 
> kind of yes, but mostly no.

er, how about we forget that i said 'kind of yes, but mostly no' and go
with 'yes, for machines off your network'?  i don't know how that
slipped in there.;)

> the subnet mask simply provides a mathematical
> means to segment a single ip block into smaller separate networks.
> technically, the computer will look at it's local network (defined by the
> block and subnet mask) to determine if the target machine is local.  if
> not, your machine knows the target machine must be on another network and
> it forwards the packets to the only other place it can, whatever gateway
> you've defined (ie. your local router), which then forwards it up the
> point-to-point connection to its gateway (your ISP's router), which
> continues to forward it based on IP...
> 
> afaik, MAC addresses have nothing to do with this directly.  yes, MAC
> addresses (OSI model - data link - layer 2) are mapped to IP addresses
> (OSI model - network - layer 3) and vice versa.  these are kept in a
> cache in order to speed up routing, somewhat like having a DNS cache can
> avoid much of the processing wasted on resolving frequently used
> addresses.  generally speaking, this cache is volatile in nature and can
> be cleared manually or by power-cycling a router, to provide two
> examples.
> 
> In case you're curious, this doc is a good primer on IP Addressing and
> subnetting.
> 
> "Understanding IP Addressing: Everything You Ever Wanted To Know"
> http://www.3com.com/other/pdfs/infra/corpinfo/en_US/501302.pdf
> 
> for more about the ISO model, see google.  sorry i don't have an
> interesting link handy.
> 
> hoping that this answered at least part of your question, and crossing
> my fingers that i didn't muddle up any of these details (it has been a
> while since i've looked at this).
> 
> 
> cheers,
> epi
> 

Re: Freebsd 5.1 <-> Win XP Networking problems

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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:40:10 -0600
Danny MacMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 03:41:04AM -0600, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 02:32:46PM -0700, Darren Pilgrim wrote:
> > 
> > > > ifconfig_ed0="inet 192.168.1.0/24  netmask 255.255.0.0"
> > > > ifconfig_vr0="inet 192.168.0.0/24  netmask 255.255.0.0"
> > > 
> > > 192.168.1.0/24 and 192.168.0.0/24 are blocks of addresses in CIDR
> > > notation, not the actual addresses to be fed to ifconfig.  You need
> > > to pick addresses within the netblock to use for myserver and all the
> > > other machines on your network.  Since myserver can reach the
> > > internet just fine, you should keep the IP address for vr0 the same,
> > > just lengthen the netmask to allow the use of 192.168.1.0/24 on the
> > > LAN.
> > 
> > ifconfig(8) understands CIDR notation just fine, although it's not
> > usual to configure an interface using the '.0' /network/ address.  Look
> > on it as a third alternate way of specifying the netmask, so that the
> > following three examples are equivalent:
> > 
> > ifconfig fxp0 inet 192.168.123.74/29
> > ifconfig fxp0 inet 192.168.123.74 netmask 0xfff8
> > ifconfig fxp0 inet 192.168.123.74 netmask 255.255.255.248
> > 
> > Those correspond to the slightly contrived example of the /29 network
> > starting with network address 192.168.123.72 and running up to the
> > broadcast address 192.168.123.79
> > 
> > Note: you can give a broadcast address on the ifconfig command line,
> > but usually it's not necessary as a standard value will be calculated
> > from any ip number forming part of that network and from the netmask.
> > However you can't in general use ip address + broadcast to do the
> > converse, as there isn't necessarily a unique solution.
> 
> I apologize for asking this question here, but I've googled and read
> arp(4) and arp(1) and nothing I can see gives a clear answer (at least
> clear to me).  It is related to this thread.
> 
> Is it the subnet mask that lets my computer know that for an IP address
> located external to my network it should send the packet to the router
> (using the router's MAC address) instead of arp-ing for the MAC address
> of the target node?

hello danny,

i'm only going to speak to the part immediately above...

kind of yes, but mostly no.  the subnet mask simple provides a mathematical
means to segment a single ip block into smaller separate networks.
technically, the computer will look at it's local network (defined by the
block and subnet mask) to determine if the target machine is local.  if
not, your machine knows the target machine must be on another network and
it forwards the packets to the only other place it can, whatever gateway
you've defined (ie. your local router), which then forwards it up the
point-to-point connection to its gateway (your ISP's router), which
continues to forward it based on IP...

afaik, MAC addresses have nothing to do with this directly.  yes, MAC
addresses (OSI model - data link - layer 2) are mapped to IP addresses (OSI
model - network - layer 3) and vice versa.  these are kept in a cache in
order to speed up routing, somewhat like having a DNS cache can avoid much
of the processing wasted on resolving frequently used addresses.  generally
speaking, this cache is volatile in nature and can be cleared manually or
by power-cycling a router, to provide two examples.

In case you're curious, this doc is a good primer on IP Addressing and
subnetting.

"Understanding IP Addressing: Everything You Ever Wanted To Know"
http://www.3com.com/other/pdfs/infra/corpinfo/en_US/501302.pdf

for more about the ISO model, see google.  sorry i don't have an
interesting link handy.

hoping that this answered at least part of your question, and crossing
my fingers that i didn't muddle up any of these details (it has been a
while since i've looked at this).


cheers,
epi


> This is the only way I can see that this would
> make sense, as arp -a doesn't seem to return the MAC addresses of boxes
> on the other side of my router under any circumstances.  I read a
> document online that suggested that a router would recursively ARP for
> a non-local MAC address but this seems insane and highly improbable to
> me.  More likely is that my computer, knowing that an IP address is
> not local by examining the network address, would choose a route from
> its routing table, arp for that router's MAC address, and send the
> packet thither.  But is that what actually happens?
> 
> Pointers to documentation explaining this accepted with my thanks.
> 
> --
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how can i install a winmodem? (was: No Subject )

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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:26:07 +0400
"Àëåñåé Çèâåíêî" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi bsd community.
> Does anybody know how to setup winmodem under FreeBSD?
> I had it on Linux, but just forget the package name,
> now I am under FreeBSD and I need to set it up.
> I have 
> Lucent Microelectronics 56k WinModem (rev 01)
>  Subsystem: Lucent Microelectronics LT WinModem 56k 
> Data+Fax+Voice+Dsvd
>  (info by pciutils/lspci)
> Under win it's LT Winmodem with Lucent(Agere) Mars2 chip inside.
> Genius GM56PCI-L - 56K PCI DATA/Fax/TAM functions (it's on a box of a 
> modem)

hello twistfire (sorry, my font's aren't setup to see or write your name),

1) please never, ever, ever, ever again send a message without indicating a
subject line.  it makes it very hard for people to track the thread.  it
will also tend to get you ignored, because a lot of people only look at
messages that they either know something about or are interested in
learning about. you'll note that i've added a subject.  it is perhaps not a
perfect example, but it is roughly what is expected.

2) you could probably have found this answer for yourself either by
searching through the ports tree with the 'make search key' command
(google that if you don't know about it - onlamp.com has good bsd articles
on ports tricks).  you could also have figured this out yourself via web
interface like freebsd.org/ports or freshports.org.  finally, you could
even have found your answer by searching through the freebsd-questions
mailing list archives which are available at:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/

just type 'windmodem' (or whatever else you're trying to learn about!) in
the cute little textbox and press the 'magic' search button.

-

in the future, it will be expected that you do both of these.  this
time you get a pass.;)you _may_ have luck with
/usr/ports/comms/ltmdm.


hope this helps,
epi


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Re: Is it possible to set-up a USB Printer in Freebsd?

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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:33:12 -0700 (PDT)
Mark Jayson Alvarez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
>   I have an old model Epson C20UX USB Printer and I
> usually print in my Windows OS(dual boot) using that
> printer. For long, I did not bother to read the
> section in the handbook(setting up printer) because as
> I have said earlier.. I print my MSWord document in
> Windows.. But now that I have deleted my Windows
> partition and I'm only running FreeBSD alone, I did a
> quick skimming in the Setting Up Printer section of
> the handbook and I have found out that, like the modem
> installation, freebsd only supports printer connected
> to serial or parallel ports..

you weren't kidding when you said skimming.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/printing-intro-setup.html

USB interfaces, named for the Universal Serial Bus, can run at even faster
speeds than parallel or RS232 serial interfaces. Cables are simple and
cheap. USB is superior to RS232 Serial and to Parallel for printing, but it
is not as well supported under UNIX® systems. A way to avoid this problem
is to purchase a printer that has both a USB interface and a Parallel
interface, as many printers do.

note that the degree of support available will more likely have to do with
the quality and popularity of your printer than with your usb port.  though
cheap ink jet win-printers are popular, they tend not to be nearly as well
supported as many of the somewhat more expensive laser printers.   (i don't
know which your model is.)

> Now I have a big problem.. I can only think of two
> things, either repartition my entire pc, and of
> course.. the worst.. buy a new parallel/serial
> printer..

if you insist.  though, i'd suggest a 3rd alternative - paying the
handbook a closer read. you might also find this article helpful.

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2004/07/08/FreeBSD_Basics.html


hth,
epi

> 
> Any idea what should I do???
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> -jay =(
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: KDE

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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:05:24 -0500
"Teilhard Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello:
> 
> I just installed FreeBSD 4.10, and everything went all right. I typed:
> "startx", and I could enter KDE and do some tweakings. Then I shut down
> and rebooted, and something happened I cannot enter KDE, nor as a root or
> as a user anymore. I get the message:

do you have any clue about what 'tweakings' you might have done?  did you
touch /etc/ttys or the 'kern_securelevel' settings in /etc/rc.conf?  making
certain changes to either of these can seriously hamper your ability to use
X.

> "X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)"

though it sounds as though X was working, another possibility is that your
XF86Config is misconfigured, thus broken.  how did you set-up X?  during
the install or after with xf86config?

please check/var/log/XFree86.0.log for error messages.  i'm pretty sure
that you'll see something that will point you in the right direction.

if you think that it is X that is 'broken', please have another look at the
handbook section on X:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html

if you think that it was one of your 'tweaks', please let us know what you
did, so that we can help you undo it.

> Does it mean I'll have to re-install?

almost certainly not.  we just need to figure out what happened.


hth,
epi

> After install I just had to
> re-enter my root password and sign me up as a user again, because the
> install didn't keep those settings. That's why I shut down and rebooted,
> to test if everything was all righ then.

> All help will be appreciated.
> 
> Teilhard.
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Re: closer, no cigar.

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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:33:51 -0500
Eric Crist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 13 July 2004 22:19, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> > The first of these processes is sendmail started in submit mode by the
> >
> > `rc.sendmail' startup script.  The relevant rc.conf options are:
> > : sendmail_enable="NO"
> > : sendmail_submit_enable="YES"
> > : sendmail_submit_flags="-L smtpd -bd -q30m
> > : -ODaemonPortOptions=Addr=localhost"
> >
> > - Giorgos
> 
> Can you exlpain exactly what submit mode is for?

hello, eric!  giorgos, if you'll permit me.

hmmm...  let's see.  something about sendmail.

~> apropos sendmail
aliases(5)   - aliases file for sendmail
editmap(8)   - query and edit single records in database maps
for sendmail makemap(8)   - create database maps for sendmail
rc.sendmail(8)   - sendmail(8) startup script
sendmail(8)  - an electronic mail transport agent
smrsh(8) - restricted shell for sendmail

aha.  that certainly is quite a few to chose from.  well, judging by these
descriptions _and_ given the quotation marks kindly offered by giorgos up
above, 'rc.sendmail' certainly seems to be the most likely candidate.  hey,
we've got time on our hands, so let's give that a try...

~> man rc.sendmail
rc.sendmail -- sendmail(8) startup script

sendmail_submit_enable
 (bool) If set to ``YES'' and...

sendmail_submit_flags
 (str) If sendmail_enable is set to ``NO'' ...


what do ya know!  we figured it out _and_ on our first try.

> Is it something you want running on a production mail server?

now that you know what it is...

for my part, i dunno.  i don't run sendmail.  perhaps someone could share
with us their thoughts?


hth,
epi

> Thanks.
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> 
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Re: Routing Training Books Please!!

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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:24:36 -0400 (EDT)
"Steve Bertrand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > After many years of waiting my company has a position opening up that I
> > can fill. I spoke with the Net Admin and asked if there were any one
> > skill that would be of a great benefit to my company and his response
> > was Routing, IP and subnetting (ok so more then one. But I swear he can
> > count).
> >
> > So here I am with maybe a month before they make a decision and I am
> > thinking I should beef up on my skills.
> >
> > I am hoping someone out there may know of some "GREAT" (free, I am a
> > poor slob) resources for Routing. I have exactly 0 experience in
> > Routing. I do however have a Cisco 1700 at home to practice with.
> >
> > I could use some IP and subnetting refreshers so I am open to
> > suggestions there too.
> >
> > I am sorry to bother everyone. I have had such great help from the
> > FreeBSD community since I started running it at home I thought maybe
> > someone out there may know of a good place for me to start.
> >

i found this document to be both particularly helpful and extremely free. 
the ideas are clearly expressed and the text thoughtfully written.  it was
one component of the training given to internet technicians at a canadian
telco for which i once worked.

http://www.3com.com/other/pdfs/infra/corpinfo/en_US/501302.pdf

you can get through this document in 1-2 days, if you apply yourself.  it
also includes several exercises, which i highly recommend doing (and more
than once).  what is it again, adult learners tend to retain:

 10% of what they read
 20% of what they hear
 30% of what they see
 50% of what they see and hear
 70% of what they talk over with others
 80% of what they use and do in real life
 95% of what they teach someone else to do

whatever.

hope this helps.


cheers,
epi
 
> Here are a few...
> 
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/779/smbiz/community/routing_to.html
> 
> This one covers the OSI model, media and others...looks interesting:
> 
> http://www.ictglobal.com/ICT009/network_basics.html
> 
> and this to due with subnetting etc...subnetting is the most confusing,
> so if you use it extensively in your environment, it may be a valuable
> asset to have:
> 
> http://www.ralphb.net/IPSubnet/
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Steve
> 
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Joshua Lewis
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Re: Mozilla Java Plug-In

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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:36:27 -0500
Jason Dusek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, thank you for pointing me at the mailing search utility. I didn't
> know about it. The Handbook is often dated - for example the discussion
> of installing Mathematica is totally erroneous.

would be good of you to drop a line to the docs list to point out exactly
what parts you feel are erroneous.

about the handbook being dated.  well, much of what we want do under unix
is fairly dated.  nevertheless, you'll often find articles from years back
which still apply today.

do you keep your docs up to date?  you know that you can do that,
in much the same way as you update your ports?  here's a decent link to
keep you busy:

http://www.bsdnews.org/02/freebsd_doc.php

if you decide to poke around this site, _please_ be wary of instructions
given at http://www.bsdnews.org/03/bsd_update.php.  though they can work in
the short term, they go against official recommendations by the freebsd
project and can end up causing serious breakage over the long term.

> What is an OP?

OP = original poster.

another point, if you'll indulge me.

taken from http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions:

### This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD. You should not
send "how to" questions to the technical lists unless you consider the
question to be pretty technical. ###

over time, you too will probably find it a tad frustrating to see people
post 'please-hold-my-hand' style questions when it is obvious that they
haven't invested the barest modicum of effort into searching for the
answers themselves.  (and perhaps i just need a vacation)

there is nothing that can be done to prevent 'the same questions' from
being asked but to educate users on the tools available to them and to
encourage the development of a measure of autonomy.  though the list is
under no obligation to answer 'any' questions, you'll note that 'repeated'
questions tend to get answered anyway.  (myself guilty of this until nudged
in the right direction)  many people are very understanding that way.  hey,
indulging newbies is an important way of welcoming them into the community
and it gives newer posters (like moi) a chance to answer simple questions.

yet, the more users can fend for themselves when it comes to basic
questions (gee, i wonder if anyone else ever tried to do 'x', well, i'll
have a look...), the more the list can focus on crafting solutions to
complicated and challenging problems which help build and strengthen our
collective knowledge base, which is the list archive.

always your closest friends:
   (o)  the handbook
   (o)  the mailing list archives (one for each list)
   (o)  google
   (o)  any bsd books you've purchased

when those let you down and you find yourself in dire straights:
   (o)  freebsd-questions

lastly, i have found that one tends to get better results when one shows
what one has already tried (ie. what work has done).  if one has done
nothing, it is time for them to consult their closest friends, not the
list.

please note that i do not speak for the list.

dearest list, if i'm am wy off base here, please chastise me.

apologies if i come off as harsh, crusty, pugnacious, or pedantic. 
my intention was only to counsel. ;)


all the best,
epi

p.s.  added the list back in cc only to share my rant (er, these
suggestions) with others.

> - Jason
> 
> epilogue wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:55:11 -0500
> > Jason Dusek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>How do I set up the java-vm plugin for Mozilla?
> > 
> > 
> > did you even bother to pay a visit to
> > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/   (?!)
> > 
> > try typing "java mozilla vm" or "java mozilla plugin" or similar into
> > that cute little search field, then click the magic 'search' button?
> > 
> > what about the handbook page which covers this?
> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html
> > 
> > dude, the knowledge base is available 24/7 and just waiting to do your
> > bidding.
> > 
> > /me removes spoon from OPs mouth and firmly pushes same out of nest.
> > 
> >  
> > 
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Re: Mozilla Java Plug-In

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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:55:11 -0500
Jason Dusek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> How do I set up the java-vm plugin for Mozilla?

did you even bother to pay a visit to
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/   (?!)

try typing "java mozilla vm" or "java mozilla plugin" or similar into that
cute little search field, then click the magic 'search' button?

what about the handbook page which covers this?
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html

dude, the knowledge base is available 24/7 and just waiting to do your
bidding.

/me removes spoon from OPs mouth and firmly pushes same out of nest.

 
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Re: FreeBSD 5.2 vs. 5.2.1

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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:56:32 -0400
Andrew Kilpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm developing an embedded system based on FreeBSD. When I started to
> build a stripped down version of FreeBSD I was using 5.2 RELEASE. Now I
> keep finding that 5.2 has vanished from most servers, and only 5.2.1 is
> available. This is particularly troubling, because I'm worried that I'm
> targetting my product on a mysterious version of FreeBSD. We might be
> using whatever version we choose for the next 5 years or more, without
> change.
> 
> So, my questions is what happened to 5.2 RELEASE? Is there some
> reason that it has gone away? Should I be upgrading my embedded distro?

the code most certainly hasn't gone away.  what probably has disappeared
are the .iso sets you were working with.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors-ftp.html
says:

"The sites in each country carry the most recent versions for the most
popular architecture(s) but might not carry the entire FreeBSD archive."

during my wanderings through the ethernet, i have come across at least one
site which archives the freebsd .iso releases.  unfortunately, i did not
take note of it's url.  perhaps google can help or, if we're really lucky,
another reader might know the sight and post the info.

regardless, you can always access the code for a given release via cvsup or
sup or ctm.  cvsup is generally the most highly recommended method.  for
all the details, please consult:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors.html

hope that this helps.


cheers,
epi
 
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Re: Can Portupgrade provide a list of files to download?

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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:07:57 +1000
Ron Joordens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Morning Everyone,
> 
> Having only a dial-up connection at home, I try to download most of the
> large files I need for FreeBSD at work. To date I have to sit down in
> front of the pc, run portupgrade with the fetch only option and then note
> down the url's and file names of the needed files. Of course when a large
> file comes along (anything over 3 to 4 meg), after I note the details I
> press ctrl c to interupt and move to the next file. Problem is this skips
> files. So the next day, after I have fetched the files I noted at work
> and placed them in distfiles, I run portupgrade again to discover I still
> need a whole stack of files and the next day again, and the next day
> again, etc. It takes a few days to fetch all files and is extremly
> tedious.
> 
> I was playing with Gentoo the other day and discovered that it has a
> pretend option that prints out all the files needed and their urls
> (several for each file). What a time saver!
> 
> I tried portupgrade with the -n pretend option to see how it worked.
> However, it does not give url's and it seems to lists the version of the
> port it is upgrading from rather than the version it is upgrading to.
> 
> Does anyone know if portupgrade provides such functionality?

gauging by the man page, i would say no.

i have noticed that there is often more than one url for a given port.  you
could manually assemble a list of the files you will need (including
dependencies) by checking the Makefile for each port or using a web-based
resource like freebsd.org/ports or freshports.org.

you will also want to know what packages you already have installed
(pkg_info).

> Many thanks.
> 
> Ron
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Re: Connecting a USB Zip drive -- whatever am I doing wrong?

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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 16:04:10 +0100
John Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> epilogue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> >### uname -a
> >FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE-p1 i386
> >
> >### relevant lines from kernel
> >device  vpo
> >device  scbus
> >device  da
> >device   umass
> >device  uhci# uhci related entries show up in dmesg
> >device   usb
> >device   ugen
> 
> Do you have 'device pass'? Just a guess, sorry if it doesn't help.

regrettably, this did not do the trick.  i see precisely the same behaviour
as outlined in my earlier messages.  sigh.

thanks for your suggestion, john.

> -- 
> John.
> 
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Re: i865 - XFree86, problem - 800x600/72Hz

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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:40:55 +0400
"Àëåñåé Çèâåíêî" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all.
> I have a question about XFree86 system and KDE.
> I have i865GBF chipset with integrated video i865
> When I installed 4.9 Release on my system - installation program 
> gives me a list of devices of graph. cards - I have choosed - i810 
> 865G
> with driver i810.
> When I starting my X - it gives me screen with low reolution 640x480
> 
> I need at least 800x600/72Hz.
> Here is my log of X system
> ...
> (II) I810(0): Monitor0: Using hsync range of 31.50-48.50 kHz
> (II) I810(0): Monitor0: Using vrefresh range of 50.00-90.00 Hz
> (II) I810(0): Not using mode "800x600/72Hz" (no mode of this name)

this line looks to be the problem.  i don't think that the value provided
was in the correct format.  how did you configure x?

if you're comfortable with X, you might simply want to edit
/etc/X11/XF86Config manually.  if not, run xf86config and pay close
attention to the instructions.  you'll also probably find many useful
tutorials, if you google for 'configuring xfree'.

hth,
epi

> (II) I810(0): Not using built-in mode "1024x768" (width too large for 
> virtual size)
> (II) I810(0): Not using built-in mode "800x600" (width too large for 
> virtual size)
> (II) I810(0): Not using built-in mode "640x480" (width too large for 
> virtual size)
> (EE) I810(0): No valid modes.
> (==) I810(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear
> (II) UnloadModule: "i810"
> (II) UnloadModule: "ddc"
> (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libddc.a
> (II) UnloadModule: "int10"
> (II) UnloadModule: "vgahw"
> (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a
> (II) UnloadModule: "vbe"
> (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvbe.a
> (II) UnloadModule: "int10"
> (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libint10.a
> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
> 
> Fatal server error:
> no screens found
> 
> HELP!!!
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Re: web browser plugin strategy for FreeBSD 5.2.1

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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:21:26 -0500
"Andrew L. Gould" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Monday 12 July 2004 11:01 am, epilogue wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:13:42 +0800
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 08:20:30AM -0500, Andrew L. Gould wrote:
> > > > In FreeBSD 4.10, I'm using mozilla and diablo-jre; which isn't an
> > > > option in 5*.
> > > >
> > > > I'm running FreeBSD 5.2.1 Release; and can't seem to get internet
> > > > browser plugins for java working.
> > > >
> > > > What combinations of browsers and java packages are working well
> > > > under 5.2.1?  I have no strong browser preference, other than
> > > > getting the plugins to work.
> >
> > linux-opera +
> > linux-flashplugin7 +
> > acroread5 +
> > jdk1.4.2
> >
> > ...works very well for me.
> >
> > note, that linux_sun_jdk (which you use with linux-opera) seems to be
> > installed at the same time as the native jdk1.4.2, so you get both
> > via 1 install (though it 'does' take a while to compile  ;)
> >
> 
> How did you tell linux-opera where java was located?  When I tried 
> browing for the java path in linux-opera's preferences window, I 
> couldn't get out of the compat/linux area.

when you click on 'choose' and get your pop-up window, the navigation
buttons (arrow up, '..', and others) will be of little use to escape the
linux compat realm recognized by linux-opera.  an annoying behaviour
indeed.

the following should do the trick:
1) click in the look-in field
2) erase the current entry (/usr/compat/whatever)
3) then manually type something like /usr/local and navigate from there.

hope this helps.


cheers,
epi

> Thanks,
> 
> Andrew Gould
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Re: web browser plugin strategy for FreeBSD 5.2.1

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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:13:42 +0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 08:20:30AM -0500, Andrew L. Gould wrote:
> > In FreeBSD 4.10, I'm using mozilla and diablo-jre; which isn't an
> > option in 5*.
> > 
> > I'm running FreeBSD 5.2.1 Release; and can't seem to get internet 
> > browser plugins for java working.
> > 
> > What combinations of browsers and java packages are working well under 
> > 5.2.1?  I have no strong browser preference, other than getting the 
> > plugins to work.
> > 

linux-opera +
linux-flashplugin7 +
acroread5 +
jdk1.4.2

...works very well for me.

note, that linux_sun_jdk (which you use with linux-opera) seems to be
installed at the same time as the native jdk1.4.2, so you get both via 1
install (though it 'does' take a while to compile  ;)

> Currently I'm using jdk14 with firefox, and it works well.
> 
> -- 
> Zeng Nan
> 
> Simple is Beautiful.
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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Recompile, Does not exclude modules

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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:20:40 +1000
"Steven Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey..
> 
> Hehe yes I rebooted the server..
> 
> It was weird because now its not there anymore..
> 
> I had to add it to /etc/rc.conf

glad that we found the problem.  you see, this is the file that 'freebsd'
reads.

> But in /etc/default/rc.conf its default is NO..

everything under /etc/default/ is a file that 'you' read.  in general, you
don't want to make changes to these files (especially deleting them),
because they provide a documented list of the options available to you. 
without them, you lose some visibility to your options.

these files can be reinstalled through the installworld/mergemaster
process, so it isn't the end of the world if you mess them up a little.

> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of epilogue
> Sent: Monday, 12 July 2004 2:27 PM
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Recompile, Does not exclude modules
> 
> On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:00:00 +1000
> "Steven Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I already made a custom kernel and disabled usb in /etc/rc.conf
> > 
> > I guess they aren't causing me any harm ill just leave them alone for
> > now..:)
> > 
> > Thanks tho
> 
> hello steven,
> 
> this will probably sound silly, and if you think so too, i'll take your
> silence as 'yes, silly bunny.'
> 
> 1) have you rebooted since the changes to rc.conf?
> 
> 2) does your rc.conf entry include the " " marks?
>   usbd_enable="NO"
> 
> 3) does a 'usbd_enable' line appear 'more than once' in your rc.conf? 
> several rc.conf entries are generated by the installation.  perhaps
> you've got two.  you may have created your "NO" entry at the top of the
> file and have a "YES" entry a few lines down.
> 
> anyhoo.  hope that this gives you something to double check.
> 
> 
> cheers,
> epi
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew
> > Seaman Sent: Sunday, 11 July 2004 11:50 PM
> > To: Steven Adams
> > Cc: 'Arjan Van Leeuwen'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Recompile, Does not exclude modules
> > 
> > On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 10:09:54PM +1000, Steven Adams wrote:
> > 
> > > Ive already disabled usbd_enable=no in /etc/rc.conf
> > > 
> > > But still I get theses
> > > 
> > > root   399  0.0  0.0 0   12  ??  DL   Sat04PM   0:00.03  (usb0)
> > > root   400  0.0  0.0 0   12  ??  DL   Sat04PM   0:00.00 
> > > (usbtask)
> > > 
> > > And yes I ran make install, I know it worked because I also compiled
> > > in quota support which is now working and wasn't previously.
> > > 
> > > I am a 5year slackware linux user just moved over to FreeBSD so im
> > > used to the linux kernel, that's why its confused me a little.
> > > FreeBSD is looking great tho.. :)
> > > 
> > > But yeh wondering how I get rid of them 2 processes.
> > 
> > Those are not ordinary processes.  Rather they are kernel threads (or
> > some such description) -- along the same lines as the vmdaemon,
> > swapper or syncer threads.
> > 
> > In order to get rid of them, you'ld have to compile a custom kernel
> > with all of the usb support ripped out *and* you'ld have to take steps
> > to prevent the kernel autoloading a usb.ko kernel module on boot up.
> > 
> > If you have inadvertently loaded a usb kld module -- use kldstat(8) to
> > see if that is the case -- then you should be able to unload it with
> > kldunload(8), so long as it's not actually busy doing stuff.
> > 
> > On the whole though, I wouldn't bother too much about those usb kernel
> > thread things.  They're generally harmless and they don't have any
> > impact on the rest of the system if there are no USB peripherals in
> > use.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Matthew
> > 
> > -- 
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> >   Savill Way
> > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow
> > Tel: +44 1628 476614  Bucks., SL7 1TH
> > UK
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Re: Can't Mount Optical Drive

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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 23:36:44 -0500
Jason Dusek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It turns out that I can mount data CDs - but I was trying to mount an
> unburned CD. So I guess it's ironed out. The next thing in line - burning
> CDs - is not likely to come up for another day or two.

as you certainly won't be the first person to ask about cd-burning, the 
archives will probably already contain the answers to any of the questions
you are likely to have.  be sure to check them out.  they are kept on hand
for several reasons, not the least of which is the invaluable resource they
provide for researching and solving problems, both esoteric and common.  :)

 
> - Jason
> 
> epilogue wrote:
> > On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:29:59 -0500
> > Jason Dusek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>Hi Again,
> >>
> >>In that there must be something else wrong, because after trying a few 
> >>permutations I was unable to get the drive on my D600 to work:
> >>
> >>  1 root # mount_cd9660 /dev/acd0 /cdrom
> >>  mount_cd9660: /dev/acd0: Input/output error
> >>
> >>  2 root # mount_cd9660 /dev/acd0c /cdrom
> >>  mount_cd9660: /dev/acd0c: No such file or directory
> >>
> >>  3 root # mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0c /cdrom
> >>  mount_cd9660: /dev/cd0c: No such file or directory
> >>
> >>  4 root # mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0 /cdrom
> >>  mount_cd9660: /dev/cd0: No such file or directory
> >>
> >>Do I need to create some directories for this to work? How will my 
> >>computer know what directories to attach the drive to?
> > 
> > 
> > hello jason,
> > 
> > if you're trying to mount a 'blank' cd, i do not believe that it will
> > work, because there is no 'filesystem' to mount.  please note that the
> > same is true of music cds.  they have no 'filesystem' in the unix sense
> > and cannot be mounted.  both, however, can be manipulated by programs
> > (ex. disc burners or music players/rippers).
> > 
> > if you're doing something other than what i suggest above and are still
> > not able to mount your 'filesystem' disc, please let us know what type
> > of disc it is and what is on it.
> > 
> > hope that this helps.
> > 
> > epi
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>- Jason
> >>
> >>Saint Aardvark the Carpeted wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Jason Dusek disturbed my sleep to write:
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>5 # mount /dev/acd0 /cdrom
> >>>>mount: /dev/acd0: Input/output error
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>You may want to try:
> >>>
> >>>   mount -t cd9660 /dev/acd0c /cdrom
> >>>
> >>>or its equivalent:
> >>>
> >>>   mount_cd9660 /dev/acd0c /cdrom
> >>>
> >>>Also, if you're trying to mount a DVD instead of a CD, you may need to
> >>>try:
> >>>
> >>>   mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0c /cdrom
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I have some another disk mounting question, too. Sometimes when I try
> >>>
> >>>to >mount the CD drive I get an error that goes something like:
> >>>
> >>>>Incorrect super block
> >>>>
> >>>>What does this error mean? What does it mean in reference to a hard 
> >>>>drive? What does it mean in reference to a CD drive?
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>The superblock is a chunk of disk that has housekeeping information
> >>>like the amount of free space, where to find free inodes, and so on.
> >>>
> >>>The error can mean pretty much the same things no matter what the
> >>>medium.  It might mean that you've specified the wrong filesystem --
> >>>"mount" (which defaults to FreeBSD's UFS filesystem) instead of "mount
> >>>-t cd9660", say.  It might also mean that the the filesystem hasn't
> >been>>formatted yet, or (if a CD) that you've burned a coaster.  Or, it
> >might>>mean that you are about to be very grateful for your
> >carefully-followed>>backup plan. :-)
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
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Re: Lucent LT modem under FreeBSD

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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:01:06 +0200
Jan Christian Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I've read that the proper drivers are in the ports collection, but
> > there's one big problem. The only way I'd be able to access the ports
> > collection is with an internet connection, and to have an internet
> > connection I need the Lucent winmodem drivers for FreeBSD.
> 
> Someone can probably suggest something more optimal, but FWIW, here's my 
> tedious manual procedure for installing ports without a network
> connection:
> 
> 1. Try to compile the port, up to the point where it complains
> 2. Press Ctrl-C, interrupting the compilation

if i am not mistaken, you'll need perl and the distfile.  that's it.  i
believe that you can install perl via your freebsd install disk (or is it
even part of the base system?)

> 3. Make a note of the name of the missing file

right now, it's ltmdm-1.4.tgz

> 4. Go to different computer with network connection, carrying floppy or
> CD-R 5. Download missing file from
> ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/

fwiw, ltmdm-1.4.tgz weighs in at a trivial 487K.  if you have one, a floppy
is definitely the way to go here.  ...and keep it handy for future
installs.  you can always upgrade to the latest version after you're
connected.

> 6. Transfer it to /usr/ports/distfiles on target machine using floppy or
> CD-R 7. Lather, rinse, and repeat from step one until compilation no
> longer complains
> 
> For only the ltmdm port (Lucent winmodem driver), this should not be an 
> astonishing amount of work, and afterwards you can install your ports in 
> style like the cool kids do. :)
> 
> Good luck,
>  -Jan Christian
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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Recompile, Does not exclude modules

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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:00:00 +1000
"Steven Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I already made a custom kernel and disabled usb in /etc/rc.conf
> 
> I guess they aren't causing me any harm ill just leave them alone for
> now..:)
> 
> Thanks tho

hello steven,

this will probably sound silly, and if you think so too, i'll take your
silence as 'yes, silly bunny.'

1) have you rebooted since the changes to rc.conf?

2) does your rc.conf entry include the " " marks?
  usbd_enable="NO"

3) does a 'usbd_enable' line appear 'more than once' in your rc.conf? 
several rc.conf entries are generated by the installation.  perhaps you've
got two.  you may have created your "NO" entry at the top of the
file and have a "YES" entry a few lines down.

anyhoo.  hope that this gives you something to double check.


cheers,
epi

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Seaman
> Sent: Sunday, 11 July 2004 11:50 PM
> To: Steven Adams
> Cc: 'Arjan Van Leeuwen'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Recompile, Does not exclude modules
> 
> On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 10:09:54PM +1000, Steven Adams wrote:
> 
> > Ive already disabled usbd_enable=no in /etc/rc.conf
> > 
> > But still I get theses
> > 
> > root   399  0.0  0.0 0   12  ??  DL   Sat04PM   0:00.03  (usb0)
> > root   400  0.0  0.0 0   12  ??  DL   Sat04PM   0:00.00  (usbtask)
> > 
> > And yes I ran make install, I know it worked because I also compiled in
> > quota support which is now working and wasn't previously.
> > 
> > I am a 5year slackware linux user just moved over to FreeBSD so im used
> > to the linux kernel, that's why its confused me a little. FreeBSD is
> > looking great tho.. :)
> > 
> > But yeh wondering how I get rid of them 2 processes.
> 
> Those are not ordinary processes.  Rather they are kernel threads (or
> some such description) -- along the same lines as the vmdaemon,
> swapper or syncer threads.
> 
> In order to get rid of them, you'ld have to compile a custom kernel
> with all of the usb support ripped out *and* you'ld have to take steps
> to prevent the kernel autoloading a usb.ko kernel module on boot up.
> 
> If you have inadvertently loaded a usb kld module -- use kldstat(8) to
> see if that is the case -- then you should be able to unload it with
> kldunload(8), so long as it's not actually busy doing stuff.
> 
> On the whole though, I wouldn't bother too much about those usb kernel
> thread things.  They're generally harmless and they don't have any
> impact on the rest of the system if there are no USB peripherals in
> use.
> 
>   Cheers,
> 
>   Matthew
> 
> -- 
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>   Savill Way
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> 
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Re: Sounds on Opera

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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:37:46 -0300
"Paulo Fonseca Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Arjan,
> 
> you're right. I removed linuxpluginwrapper and flash plugin keeps ok. But
>  
> sounds not working on Opera yet on flash web pages as much as java  
> applets, only images. The "Enable sound in web pages" are checked in  
> preferences.
> 
> what's happen with it.

hello paulo,

glad to hear that you got flash working.  sorry for pointing you toward
an obsolete version of the port (and THANKS arjan for catching that  :)

for my part, i've never bothered to get flash audio working.  sorry
that i cannot help you with that.

i am writing, however, to suggest that you take a minute to review the
purpose for each mailing list *before* using them to contact other freebsd
users with your help requests.

see http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo (from this page, you can
click on a list to see a summary page for that list)  hopefully a couple of
examples will make this clear:

http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-www
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> Paulo.
> 
> On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:17:29 +0200, Arjan Van Leeuwen  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Paolo,
> >
> > You don't need the linuxpluginwrapper if you're using linux-opera,
> > only if you're using FreeBSD Opera. In that last case, it will only
> > work on FreeBSD 4.x, that's why you received a message that flash
> > support was unavailable.
> >
> > linux-opera should work with linux-flashplugin{6,7} out of the box.
> >
> > Arjan
> >
> > On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:23:38 -0300, Paulo Fonseca Jr.
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Ok!
> >>
> >> Linux-Opera is just fine with flashplayer now on freebsd 5.1.
> >>
> >> make install on /usr/ports/www/linux-opera
> >> make install on /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplugin
> >> recompile and install /usr/src/libexec/rtld-elf and
> >> make /usr/ports/linuxpluginwrapper
> >>
> >> it'll runs ok!
> >>
> >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:01:56 -0300, Paulo Fonseca Jr.
> >>
> >>
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Arjan,
> >> >
> >> > I running now:
> >> > /usr/ports/www/linux-opera
> >> > /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplugin
> >> > /usr/ports/www/linuxpluginwrapper
> >> >
> >> > I received the message "Flash6 with Opera is not avilable." on make
> >of> > linuxpluginwrapper, but in browser, the shockwave flash plugin is
> >> > active. I set up my browser to identify as Mozilla but web pages
> >that> > use flash do not work fine. Can you send me some web page
> >address that> > use flash ? www.globo.com or www.cursoaprovacao.com.br
> >not work> > correctly.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Paulo.
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:27:57 +0200, Arjan Van Leeuwen
> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:29:17 -0400, epilogue
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >> wrote:
> >> >>> On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:49:14 -0300
> >> >>> "Paulo Fonseca Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > I'm trying to enable flash plug-in on freebsd 5.1 like this:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>>