Re: The ports are really funcional?

[Neal Hogan]

u . . . this person has been doing similar
"hold-my-hand-I-do-not-want-to-take-the-time" kinda thing on the oBSD
lists recently.



On 10/30/11, Zantgo  wrote:
> El 30-10-2011, a las 19:55, Warren Block  escribió:
>
>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2011, Zantgo wrote:
>>
>>> What happens is that I tried to install things on the ports, but almost
>>> no one serves me, I've only been able to install firefox, I tried also
>>> install KDE, GNOME and KFCE, but I have been many errors, commonly
>>> solocionables, for example I had to modify "REFRESH" to "true", but also
>>> to get out other errors, commonly have a solution, but is a great problem
>>> to have to spend all his time fixing bugs. Please tell me if it is
>>> natural to every time I download large modifying ports so, if so, then
>>> why say "functional"?
>>
>> Yes, ports work well.  From the description, it's difficult to tell what
>> is causing the problem.  Please supply additional information, like what
>> version of FreeBSD and the exact output of one of the errors (script(1) is
>> useful for that).  Also see the section in the Handbook about packages and
>> ports:
>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html
>>
>> Translations of the Handbook can be found at
>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/ in the books subdirectory.
>
> the problem is not the problem, since most are solving the problem is that
> there are many errors and problems, then as I say it is stable and
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Re: Alternative windowmanagers

[Neal Hogan]

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Alex Stangl  wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 12:46:27PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote:
>> xmonad.  Minimal, tiled, keyboard-driven but also mouseable, fully
>> customizable via configuration files written in Haskell.
>
> Another vote for xmonad. You may be startled at first to come up
> instantly to an empty screen, but you likely won't miss the bloat.
>

Like xmonad, but written in C . . . scrotwm.

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Fwd: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Neal Hogan]

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Alejandro Imass  wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Tom Worster  wrote:
>> On 11/12/10 2:29 PM, "Jerry McAllister"  wrote:
>>
>>>Lots of people see FreeBSD and the web site and the mascott, etc for
>>>the first time probably each day.    Some of them will have the same
>>>mistaken idea since the misunderstanding of it is implanted in people's
>>>heads from an early age.    Although you may get tired of hearing that
>>>same old argument again and again, I do, it does not automatically make a
>>>person a troll if they ask the question.
>>
>> Hmm.
>>
>> It is inconsiderate and lazy to ask someone else to answer a question
>> without making any effort to answer it yourself first. The misdeed is
>> multiplied when the culprit asks hundreds of people in a discussion group
>> such as this. That's why it is often considered a violation of etiquette.
>> The fact that lmgtfy.com and 'RTFM' are both well know suggests that this
>> is not a fringe opinion.
>>
>>
>>>The intelligent thing is to give a reasonable answer and point the person
>>>to some web pages where they can become informed and then ignore it.
>>
>> I would describe that as the indulgent thing, not the intelligent thing.
>>
>>
>
> Thanks Tom, I was beginning to think no one else cared about such
> netiquette, and I just opted to let it go. Nevertheless, now that you
> brought this up, I would like to point a couple of more things out to
> Jerry:
>
> The _intelligent_ thing to do is to actually read before blabbering
> here about some religious crap.
>
> When the OP signed up to this list he must have read this:
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL
>
> Where things like the following are very clearly stated:
>
> When in doubt about what list to post a question to, see How to get
> best results from the FreeBSD-questions mailing list.
> Which points to this:
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/
>
> Before posting to any list, please learn about how to best use the
> mailing lists, such as how to help avoid frequently-repeated
> discussions, by reading the Mailing List Frequently Asked Questions
> (FAQ) document.
> Which points to this:
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/mailing-list-faq/
>
> And in almost all these places there are links to the netiquette,
> recommendations on how to search before you post and tons of
> information on how to correctly interact with these mailing lists.
>
> Ignorantia legis neminem excusat
>

Yes, yes, yes . . . but back to the issue at hand; cartoons with red
faces and two horns, carrying sharp, pointy things indicate the evil
that must be . . . . ummm . . . I don't know. I'm probably going to
hell just for having thoughts about Satan (or whatever). Like I said,
I don't know ;-)

Ok . . . "now" I'm done.
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Neal Hogan]

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Alejandro Imass  wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Neal Hogan  wrote:
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: José Silveira 
>> Date: 2010/11/11
>> Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
>> To: Neal Hogan 
>>
>>
>> What an absurd! A guy makes a question and an stupid like you send me
>> this crap! I hope freebsd explodes!
>>
>
> First, please don't top-post.
> Second, stop feeding the trolls. We souldn't be falling for this crap
> once again.
> Third, if you don't like FreeBSD and want it to explode, please just leave.
>

I hear ya . . . I'm done . . . I was just messin' around
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Fwd: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Neal Hogan]

-- Forwarded message --
From: José Silveira 
Date: 2010/11/11
Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
To: Neal Hogan 


What an absurd! A guy makes a question and an stupid like you send me
this crap! I hope freebsd explodes!

2010/11/12 Neal Hogan 
>
> 2010/11/11 Neal Hogan :
> > 2010/11/11 José Silveira :
> >> Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
> >>
> >> For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away!
> >
> >
> > Is this better?
> >
>
> (sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Neal Hogan]

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Gary Gatten  wrote:
> PLEASE let's not rehash this again!!!
>

I'm only sending the link to the haloed (sp?) daemon now because I
wish I had last time but f'd it up.
I'm done now . . . I just thought that those who are offended by
"evil" daemons would appreciate the "holy" ones.

> - Original Message -
> From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org 
> 
> To: José Silveira 
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org 
> Sent: Thu Nov 11 18:50:00 2010
> Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
>
> 2010/11/11 Neal Hogan :
>> 2010/11/11 José Silveira :
>>> Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
>>>
>>> For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away!
>>
>>
>> Is this better?
>>
>
> (sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Neal Hogan]

2010/11/11 Neal Hogan :
> 2010/11/11 José Silveira :
>> Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
>>
>> For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away!
>
>
> Is this better?
>

(sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg
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Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?

[Neal Hogan]

2010/11/11 José Silveira :
> Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
>
> For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away!


Is this better?

> José Silveira
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Re: Like it or not, Theo is having a good laugh ..

[Neal Hogan]

Wow! I tried to wait, but it now has to be said that more than just
Theo are laughing.

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Rob Farmer  wrote:
>
> On Oct 9, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Jerry  wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2010 09:47:04 -0700
>> Rob Farmer  articulated:
>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 05:30, Henry Olyer 
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Surrilous" isn't an English word, nor an obvious typo of one, so I
>>> have no idea what you mean here.
>>
>> surrilous (adj.) coarsely abusive, vulgar or low (especially in language) 
>> foul- mouthed
>
> I have never heard this word and couldn't find a definition using google 
> define or dictionary.com (which aggregates many major dictionaries).
>
> Perhaps it is a word, but an extremely obscure one.
>
> --
> Rob Farmer
>
>>
>> Although the OP might have meant scurrilous (an obvious typo):
>>
>> scur·ril·ous –adjective
>>
>> 1. grossly or obscenely abusive: a scurrilous attack on the mayor.
>>
>> 2. characterized by or using low buffoonery; coarsely jocular or derisive: a 
>> scurrilous jest.
>>
>> --
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>> freebsd.u...@seibercom.net
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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Neal Hogan]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Chad Perrin  wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:07:28PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Glen Barber  wrote:
>> > On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
>> >> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad,
>> >>> lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and
>> >>> vim-like (among other things ;-).
>> >>
>> >> Why is "written in C" considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm
>> >> developer(s)?  Earlier today, I read this on the site:
>> >>
>> >>     "On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and
>> >>     xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C."
>> >>
>>
>> hahahahahahaha!
>>
>> >> What's up with that?  How does Haskell "cripple" xmonad?
>> >>
>>
>> In the end, you need not take yourself so seriously.  The thread was
>> generic enough to allow for some rhetorical flourish. I suggested
>> something . . . pointed out that is written in C (as did the homepage)
>> . . .  AND you concluded some sort of insult; not my problem.
>>
>> Do you need a rim-shot for every joke?
>
> 1. Who said I took insult?  You assume too much.
>
> 2. That was not a very clever joke, anyway.  Where's the punchline?
>
> 3. That doesn't answer my question about the Scrotwm page.
>
> Even *I* am not so socially stunted as to think a comment like that on
> the Scrotwm site would not raise some eyebrows.
>

Some? sure.

In the end, scrotwm is a simple wm that allows the
"gui-apprehensive-type" folk a nice CLI in X. That's all I was
suggesting.

"Shave and a haircut" . . . Chad?
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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Neal Hogan]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Chip Camden
 wrote:
> Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 23 September 2010:
>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
>> >
>> > If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad,
>> > lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and
>> > vim-like (among other things ;-).
>>
>> Why is "written in C" considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm
>> developer(s)?  Earlier today, I read this on the site:
>>
>>     "On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and
>>     xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C."
>>
>> What's up with that?  How does Haskell "cripple" xmonad?
>>
>> --
>> Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]
>
>
> I wondered the same thing myself.  Haskell is compiled, and the result is
> very efficient.
>
> I also wondered why the mentions about being actively maintained -- it seems
> to me that xmonad gets updated pretty regularly.
>

I only mention scrotwm's active development, not to compare it's
development to xmonad's, but to point out that your issues will be
taken seriously . . . in a timely manner. . . not that they won't be
take seriously in the xmonad setting.

Please, use xmonad if it meets your requirements.

I apologise for suggesting "something."

Chad P., take a pill ;-)
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Re: GUI Suggested?

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On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Glen Barber  wrote:
> On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
>>>
>>> If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad,
>>> lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and
>>> vim-like (among other things ;-).
>>
>> Why is "written in C" considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm
>> developer(s)?  Earlier today, I read this on the site:
>>
>>     "On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and
>>     xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C."
>>

hahahahahahaha!

>> What's up with that?  How does Haskell "cripple" xmonad?
>>

In the end, you need not take yourself so seriously.  The thread was
generic enough to allow for some rhetorical flourish. I suggested
something . . . pointed out that is written in C (as did the homepage)
. . .  AND you concluded some sort of insult; not my problem.

Do you need a rim-shot for every joke?
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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Neal Hogan]

>On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Chip Camden  
>wrote:
>> Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010:
>>
>> I'm not too sure what you're asking "certain window should be moved by
>> default to specific workspaces." Since you read the man page I'm
>> guessing you're not talking about changing which xterm is in focus.
>> Focus moves by defualt to each new tem that you open
>> (alt-shift-return).
>>
>> Maybe www.scrotwm.org will help.
>> ___
>
> Nope.  The wiki doesn't present anything either.
>
> What I mean is for example when I launch Firefox, I want it to go to
> workspace 3.  When I launch gimp, I want it on workspace 7.  I can easily
> specify that in xmonad, using either the window class or window title.  I
> don't want to have to move all these windows where I want them every time
> I log in.
>

Ah . . . I see. I'm not aware af that being a feature in scrotwm. The
only thing I can suggest is to join the forum and ask. Like I said,
scrotwm actively maintained and the devs will (likely) respond
quickly. As far as what they say, suggestions are welcome, but they
have to be persuaded.

Best of luck.

-Neal
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Re: GUI Suggested?

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On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Chip Camden
 wrote:
> Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010:
>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Chip Camden
>>  wrote:
>> > Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010:
>> >> Hello all.
>> >>
>> >> In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under
>> >> terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved
>> >> that way I have never tried any graphical interface.
>> >>
>> >> I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience
>> >> on what path to follow? KDE? any other?
>> >>
>> >> I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if
>> >> possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use
>> >> it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc)
>> >>
>> >> Thanks in advance
>> >>
>> >> Jorge Biquez
>> >>
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>> > After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad.  It's minimalist
>> > -- meaning it stays out of your way.  It's also highly configurable, in
>> > Haskell.  It's lightweight and fast.  It's a developer's WM.
>> >
>>
>> If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad,
>> lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and
>> vim-like (among other things ;-).
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> scrotwm does look interesting -- I read through the man page, but
> couldn't find a way to specify that certain windows should be moved by
> default to specific workspaces.  Can that be done?
>

I'm not too sure what you're asking "certain window should be moved by
default to specific workspaces." Since you read the man page I'm
guessing you're not talking about changing which xterm is in focus.
Focus moves by defualt to each new tem that you open
(alt-shift-return).

Maybe www.scrotwm.org will help.
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Re: GUI Suggested?

[Neal Hogan]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Chip Camden
 wrote:
> Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010:
>> Hello all.
>>
>> In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under
>> terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved
>> that way I have never tried any graphical interface.
>>
>> I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience
>> on what path to follow? KDE? any other?
>>
>> I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if
>> possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use
>> it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc)
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Jorge Biquez
>>
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> After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad.  It's minimalist
> -- meaning it stays out of your way.  It's also highly configurable, in
> Haskell.  It's lightweight and fast.  It's a developer's WM.
>

If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad,
lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and
vim-like (among other things ;-).
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Re: BSD logo

[Neal Hogan]

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Polytropon  wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:22:21 -0500, Neal Hogan  wrote:
>> No . . . not you . . . Polytropon! The end of the world must be coming
>> (Revelations-1.0).
>
> Do *NOT* tempt me. Okay, you did. And this is what will happen:
> It turns this thread into a bottomless pit of nonsense, but well,
> you asked for it. :-)
>
>
>           ,ggg,   nd spotteth  twice  they  the  system before
>          dP""8I   the fifth version,  and so,  the Programmers
>         dP   88   went Forth to RAM Gilead in Kernel Bilgemath,
>        dP    88   by Shell  Ethra  Joygalion,  to the house of
>       ,8'    88   Gash-Bernars-Lee-Bazola,  he who brought the
>       d   better list to  Kerneygham and the tank pool
>  __   ,8"     88   to the  house of  Ritchomon, and  there slew
> dP"  ,8P      Y8   they the list messages, yea, and placed they
> Yb,_,dP       `8b, the bits in little bit buckets.  Here endeth
>  "Y8P"         `Y8 the lesson.                      (Pal 8:256)
>

Amen

P.S. -- Please, let's not get into the proper pronounciation of this as well ;-)
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Re: BSD logo

[Neal Hogan]

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Polytropon  wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:06:17 -0700, "David Brodbeck"  wrote:
>> These people
>> have been taught from a young age that logic is evil and will lead them
>> down the road to hell, so logical arguments are lost on them.
>
> Reminds me to the discussion around Russell's teapot...
>

No . . . not you . . . Polytropon! The end of the world must be coming
(Revelations-1.0).

>
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Re: i cannot login as root

[Neal Hogan]

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Giorgos Tsiapaliokas
 wrote:
> i can't :(
>
> it says that is is only read-only enviroment..

use the world wide web, and look for an answer
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Re: sendmail access

[Neal Hogan]

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 3:40 PM, kalin m  wrote:
>
>
>
> hi all...
> reading
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/sendmail.html
>
> i did get an access file set up. it doesn't do anything thought...
> i have only entry like this:
>
> some.domain.com            OK
>
> and did make. then changed /etc/defaults/rc.conf to
> sendmail_enable="YES"
>
> restarted sendmail. cool. so far. now mail is a accepted from everywhere not
> only the entry in access: some.domain.com
>
> why?
>

As far as I understand it, the access file makes more fine-grained
"decisions." That is, sendmail allows everything and the access file
allows you to discriminate more precisely. Notice that the example has
(something like) :

spam.com  REJECT
.
.
.
okay.spam.com  OK

So, if you only want to allow emails only from some.domain.com then
you have to REJECT all other domains . . . good luck ;-)


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Re: Flash viewer for FBSD

[Neal Hogan]

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Graham Bentley  wrote:
>
>> It looks very bad for browsing web without flash viewer.
>
> I think it looks great - no ads !!! Hurray !!!
>

Bingo!

If the OP wants M$-like flash support, then . . . well . . . use M$
(and its friend$). It's not really fair to complain about the
admirable work of fBSD devs. Keep in mind that they volunteer their
time. If fBSD (or anything else) is not suiting your needs, either fix
it or go somewhere else. I'm sure the fBSD community would welcome a
hack that gets m$-like flash support ;-)

I find it a relief not to have those damn flash ads/nonsense
"flashing" in front of me.

FWIW - I did use gnash for a while and it wasn't too bad. Although, ny
needs may not be comparable to the OP's. He really hasn't made that
clear.

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Re: Downloading and Burning Free BSD

[Neal Hogan]

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Roger Agraviador
 wrote:
> I clicked the ISO link and I was brought to a directory, this to be exact (
> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/7.2/)
>
> Once I have downloaded all Iso Images do I burn the 'boot only.iso' file on
> one DVD or CD only? or do I burn that along with 'disc1.iso', and how do I
> go about burning the rest of the files in that directory once I have
> downloaded them?


As others have pointed out, disc1 will get you started and, as long as
you have an internet connection, you should be able to get the rest
(without the other discs). The install will take you through the
process.

Perhaps you should look at the handbook to familiarize yourself with
the install procedures.

www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/install.html
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Re: cannot boot freebsd

[Neal Hogan]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Jesús Abidan  wrote:
> Hi there, i have a problem here, i installed windows in mi box and i left a
> partition for freebsd, i finished install of freebsd and installed the boot
> mgr of freebsd but when i reboot only windows boots with f1 pressed? how can
> I make the system boots both?

What do you mean "make the system boot both?" At the same time? That's
not going to happen.

Isn't F1 the option for dos/windows? If so, consider your other
options . . . one should be FreeBSD (assuming you did the install
correctly)

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/boot-blocks.html
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Re: FreeBSD Source Code

[Neal Hogan]

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Petros Ring  wrote:
> I would like you to send a copy of all the source code of FreeBSD so I may
> use it for a project that will allow the running of applacations from a
> different os to run on FreeBSD. Please send a attachment of the full source
> code in the reply email.

This is all you need: http://www.freebsd.org/where.html
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Re: Effing HAL

[Neal Hogan]

I just saw this on my gentoo list (yes, there are folks complaining
about HAL there as well). I don't know anything about this project
other than it's intentions are to build a replacement for HAL.

http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/DeviceKit
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Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must

[Neal Hogan]

> It is simple to understand Emglish but not so simple what was meant by
> whoever wrote it...I cannot correct something that I do not uderstand...
> come on, man, that should be easy to understand.
> I am afraid that with all the globalization people still do not
> understand that translations should be left to experts... an by that I
> mean the final version should always, and I mean always, be by a native
> speaking person.
> I speak english, french, italian, some spanish and german as well as
> latvian... but I would never attempt to translate into any language
> other than English... and then not without the help of the original
> language's originator. ;-)


PJ, you certainly sound like a scholar . . . you "speak" many
languages and have a strict translation policy, yet (given those two
points) it doesn't follow you have any idea how to use any of those
languages.

You prefer drama and at some point we're going to realize that there
is no wolf? KISS! (google for translation).

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Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must

[Neal Hogan]

>
> The benefit(s)? If there are other long-term members who agree with what
> you are getting at, then I'd say that the benefits are that it shows to
> newcomers that no matter what, you'll always receive a respectable and
> educated response.
>

Does that really include taking seriously everything
posted/asked/bitched about on the list?

> It also shows that it doesn't matter what the poster's name is, or what
> language they speak in, that those who love FreeBSD for what it is will
> always bleed their souls to help them out, at any cost. What is learned
> from hard work is better passed on to someone else.
>

Yes . . . sure. . . but many, many houses have been built and it seems
reasonable to help those attempting to build something unique or
somewhat untested, than those who like to spend time complaining about
things that have been built and which they have not spent much time
thinking about, but just jotted down a command from google search and
is disappointed when it fails to satisfy.


> Mia casa e tua casa, as my best friend's father always says. (my house
> is your house).
>
> Steve
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Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must

[Neal Hogan]

.
>>
>> He needs to work things out before blogging on
>> freebsd-questi...@.
>>
>> IMHO ;-)
>>
>>
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> You are a pathetic example of the intolerant know-it all...not
> worthbothering with

Yet you did . . . and we continue the saga. fBSD, oBSD, etc. is not
the problem, as you claim. You, my friend, have a tendency to jump
into things and then complain when they do not go your way. The latest
of which is to complain about the "language" in which the man pages
were written . . . and you expect to be taken seriously. "I know
English but it is sometimes difficult to understand." What?!

Intolerance is something you can;t charge me of. I offerred my genuine
help in the past. You chose to use that offer to bash an OS and come
back to an OS that you (apparently) can't handle.

You fail to see that it is your failings that let you down.

&%...@*#^#%$ . . . does that make more sense?



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Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must

[Neal Hogan]

>>> Aha! Gotcha! Whoever wrote that has made an unintentionnal booboo. It is
>>> a subtle difference and is indicative that whoever wrote it is not a
>>> native english user... the meaning is clearly "should be executed, done,
>>> carried out, performed" - should work means it  can be carried out  - I
>>> think the author meant to say "should not be done"
>>
>> I'm a native English speaker, and the manual makes perfect sense to me.
>> It's very clear to me that since the statement is in the BUGS section,
>> it means that the utility should, but doesn't. Since it follows a
>> statement that the utility doesn't, the meaning is unambiguous.
>
> fwiw, upon first reading, I got the exact same impression about the
> writing under its context as Bob did.
>

Am I the only one annoyed by the monthly PJ soap-operas. It seems that
we get a ridiculous installment from this guy who bites off more than
he can chew and then complains that it's too big every full (or is it
fool) moon (28 day cycle . . . sorry obvious,stupid joke).

The patience he gets from folks on this list should be commended, but
questioned. In what sense is the community benefited from the dramatic
"life-story" of an ungrateful novice? This guy puts forth his
problem(s) only to update the list at every small/backward step and
then ultimately offer something offensive such that the devs can't
speak English.

He needs to work things out before blogging on
freebsd-questi...@.

IMHO ;-)

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Re: First time for everything

[Neal Hogan]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:33 PM, jeffry killen  wrote:
> Hello;
> How is a usb device accessed on Freebsd.
> I installed an SATA drive in a usb enclosure
> and plugged in into usb port on the machine.
> Console message indicated detection of the
> device when the power switch for the usb enclosure
>  was set to on.
> When I did mount -w /dev/usb (or usbN) I got
> special device unknown.
> Or mount -w /dev/usb (or usbN) /mnt
> needs block device.
>
> There is a first time for everything.
> man usb does not tell me.
> and Absolute BSD (M. Lucas) does
> not say anything about usb devices
> let alone how to access them.

try:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/usb-disks.html
>
> Thank you for patience and guidance
> Jeff K.
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Re: Problem regarding free BSD

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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Abhilash  Shukla  wrote:
> Hello,Respected Sir/Madam,Actually i tried to install free BSD on my >system, 
> I have 1 TB hard disk of 500GB X 2 in which i made a partition in >one of my 
> hard disk which even contains some data. Unfortunately i lost >all my data, 
> as i think but its truly very important for me. As after the >completion of 
> the installation part when i tried to boot into it, i was unable >to do so, 
> now i installed Windows XP into my system and tried to access >the other hard 
> disk but still i can't. As when i installed BSD in other >partition why i am 
> not able to access the other drive in the same hard >drive. Please help me 
> how can i recover my data.Thank You,Abhilash >Shukla.Dear 
> questi...@freebsd.org ! Get Yourself a cool, short @in.com >Email ID now!

As far as I understand, the data on the partition you put freeBSD on
is gone. You should have noticed the warning during install that
warned of this.

Concerning XP and "looking" at other partitions, (as far as I
understand) you should install XP first and then install freeBSD with
a bootloader that will allow you (easier) access to all of the OS's.
MS doesn't like to share disk space.

Perhaps I misunderstood your situation concerning the "loss" of data.
If so, there is open source data recovery software out there. I can't
think of the names right now, but I'm sure you have the necessary
searching skills to find them yourself.

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Re: network freebsd computers

[Neal Hogan]

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 4:22 PM, David Kelly  wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 04:46:49PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 03:27:35PM -0400, Carmel NY wrote:
>>
>> > I was just playing around with ssh. Would it be possible to store
>> > multiple keys in the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file?
>>
>> It will put a key there for every place you go to with ssh.
>
> I think this is the place one puts the public key of accounts (not the
> host) from which one is *coming* from that one wishes to accept login
> without further challenge.
>
> ~/.ssh/known_hosts automatically (prompted first time) records the host
> public key of places you have been so as to warn you that the connection
> is not to a previously known machine.

While this is correct, as I said before, let's not let this thread be
a regurgitation of the documentation. I think the M$/OP dude has been
lead down the right path and needs to reach the end (more or less) on
his own. Our bandwidth should be devoted to more important things,
like . . . . well . . . anything else.

(Yes, yes . . . I took up bandwidth to make this silly comment.
Nip-it-in-the-bud, so to speak)

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Re: network freebsd computers

[Neal Hogan]

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Carmel NY  wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:53:17 -0400
> Jerry McAllister  wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Am I missing something or would ssh, scp and directing your Xwindows
>> display from the headless machine to a desktop X server cover
>> everything you are asking for?
>
> I was just playing around with ssh. Would it be possible to store
> multiple keys in the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file?

Yes.

But, before this thread turns into your personal tutorial, have a look
at the documentation on freebsd.org.

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Re: internet access from FreeBSD

[Neal Hogan]

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 3:32 AM, gs_stol...@juno.com
 wrote:
>             I have a copy of Greg Lehey's online "book" about FreeBSD, but I 
> >believe it is from February 2006.  Is there a later copy, and if so, where 
> >can I find a copy (URL please)?  I searched my copy for the word >"internet" 
> and couldn't find it.  I did access the internet with a take-off >copy of 
> FreeBSD, but I don't have access to it any more.  Can I access >the internet 
> with a currently gettable copy of FreeBSD, and if so, for what >versions is 
> that true (my personal version is old, but it works well so I >never 
> upgraded)?  Since I get my mail via  juno , can I access them >nicely from 
> FreeBSD or do I need something to interface to it and present >me with my 
> mailbox, listing the items in it and telling me the usual stuff >about 
> envelop mail (sender, subject, when received)?

It's a bit unclear what you're asking, but it sounds like you want
help regarding more recent versions of freeBSD and their capabilities.
Have you looked at www.freebsd.org and the documentation there?

I'm not sure what a book about freeBSD would have that the official
documentaioin wouldn't.


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Re: itunes on FreeBSD

[Neal Hogan]

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:08 AM, Jerry wrote:
> I use itunes  extensively on my Windows
> machines to download music. AFAIK, Apple does not make a version for
> linux/bsd, although I might be incorrect.
>
> I investigated Rhapsody ;
> however, there is no generic version of that available for linux/bsd
> either.
>
> Is anyone aware of a similar programs that works on FreeBSD? I am
> looking for a full featured program that works along the same lines as
> itunes.

I've messed with Amarok and was able to get songs to and from an ipod.
I haven't worked with it too much. It's been a while too. So, my
advice would be dusty (If I have any).

Also, there is gtkpod (I don' t know much about it).

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Re: installation sequence

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On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:12 PM, PJ wrote:
> Does anybody have an idea of what the oder of files and dependencies is
> to install programs without all sorts of nonsensical errors?
> I usually have no problem installing FreeBsd whatever with apache22,
> cups, samba, php, mysql xorg etc. etc. I say usually because from time
> to time there do crop up some conflicts and they can usually be resolved
> by just looking at the error messages when the install is interrupted...
> usually one reinstalls the guilty port and voila! all things are in an
> ordered universe!
> But how do you avoid those error messages... I installed a pretty
> minimal 7.2 about a week ago and since then have been putzing about with
> a more serious installation of 7.2 on a larger disk to include xorg and
> a number of pretty cumbersome applications.
> I usually start with samba as that permits me to wander about on my lan
> and download and play around with other stuff while I am waiting for
> those substantial installs like jdk and xorg et al.
> So now, I have installed samba... works fine... thereafter I have been
> installing jdk16 and some other proggies like openldap and php5 and
> mysql ... actually, I was doing those because apache22 wouldn't
> compile... it grinds out a slew of errors that all seem to be related to
> ldap..."util_ldap.c:2135 (or other numbers) and all have the notation
> "undeclared (first use in this function) and finally the ghost gives up
> with Error code 1.
>
> Exactly the same installation with the same configuration on the smaller
> installation went without a hitch... (and on the same computer,
> different disk) The versions are the latest available and on 7.2...
> I have tried uninstalling php5, openldap, and removing the work
> directory for apache22, but the result is always the same... this is absurd.
> Can anybody make any sense of this... I don't like the idea of starting
> all over again... done that, been there, and still looking for some
> rationality to this world.
> Thanks for any ideas...

Again, not to be rude (to you or fBSD) . . . but why stick with
something that is giving you soo much trouble?
There are a bunch of open source distros out there. I can appreciate
that you do not want to f'around with another distro for another week
. . . but . . .

>From other posts, it sounded like you have recovered the essential
files. Rationality may dictate you moving on.

The only thing I can suggest that may help those who know better, is
to post the demsg's of the two machines (the one that works and the
pain in the ass), given that they are different machines. What
happened to the "faulty hardware" idea?

I dunno . . . good luck!

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Re: freebsd

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On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:42 AM, BONGANI MANGANYE<205038...@cput.ac.za> wrote:
> I know freebsd is free but i would like to know how much will I pay if I
> need additional package like updates and other useful software,and can
> you tell how secure it is how protected i will be if i use freebsd

it's free along with the many, many, many software packages fBSD
provides . . . and it's secure.

have you checked out the website (www.freebsd.org)? It's a good place to start.

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Re: bwi driver

[Neal Hogan]

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Neal Hogan wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Mel
> Flynn wrote:
>> On Friday 14 August 2009 08:49:07 Neal Hogan wrote:
>>
>>> man lspci
>
>
>> ?? wrong "distribution". Try pciconf.
>
> Ah . . . sorry, got mixed up with mailing lists. Thanks for correcting me!

BTW - The same goes for iwconfig

>
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Re: bwi driver

[Neal Hogan]

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Mel
Flynn wrote:
> On Friday 14 August 2009 08:49:07 Neal Hogan wrote:
>
>> man lspci


> ?? wrong "distribution". Try pciconf.

Ah . . . sorry, got mixed up with mailing lists. Thanks for correcting me!

>
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Re: bwi driver

[Neal Hogan]

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
> I have a Lenovo G530 laptop with a broadcom wireless card.
> I downloaded the drivers referenced here:
> http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=170
> I installed them and loaded them.
>
> However pciconf -lv|grep bwi produces no output and ifconfig does not
> mention any wireless cards.
>
> What should I try now?

man iwconfig
man lspci
>
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Re: boot sector f*ed

[Neal Hogan]

> Right now I'm just fixing up a new set up of 7.2 on another disk and
> we'll see what that does. Then I will re-setup the files I had recoverd,
> see if they work and then do a last and final install of everything and
> see if that works. And if there is a problem then, then I will know for
> sure that it is not a hardware problem. In using computers, in general,
> over the past 20 plus years I have only had maybe 6 crashes... mostly
> Winbloz and about 3 with FBSD - and only 1 was because of defective
> hardware (a disk)... the rest was power outs and 1 erroneous shutdown...
> not bad ... and I never lost irreplaceable files. :-)   Took some time
> to recover them, but recover did as recover should.
> Oh, well, before I give it all up, I'm giving it one final shot.
> PJ


If I may . . . (again ;-), why is it not a hardware issue? You're a
self-proclaimed, long-time fBSD user experiencing unforeseen
circumstances and the folks attempting to help aren't noobs. So, it
surely can't be a user/software issue ;-) . . . It sounds like you can
get the files that you need/want and then go get some new stuff. It's
not expensive anymore and frankly, it seems that this thread is
doomed. I apologize, but I don't have time to read the lengthy
explanations/rants/responses, but I think a new chapter in PJ's life
is developing and I think that you/he/she should turn the page (I
know, you're trying . . .).


P.S. -- trim responses so we can get to the good stuff!

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Re: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!

[Neal Hogan]

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Raisa Brokhshtut wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My old desktop has FreeBSD that I have never used. One of the friends of my 
> son installed it long ago, but no one used that PC since then. Now I want to 
> get rid of this program and to install Windows. Every time when I boot this 
> PC it prompts for a user login which I don't know. This guy who intalled 
> FreeBSD is not around anymore.
>
> Anyway, I would greatly appreciate if you would guide me how to uninstall 
> that program. I don't have windows reskue cd. So I want to completly remove 
> that FreeBSD from my PC and to install the Windows operating system from CD.

Perhaps you should talk to MS people about installing MS. FreBSD is
not in your way.

The MS install disc(s) should take care of freeBSD.

>
> Thank you
>
> Raisa
>
>
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Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: > upgrade 7.2

[Neal Hogan]

>> How do you expect to get comfortable w/out "playing
>> around," other
>> than, I guess (a'la above) reading the documentation?
>>
>
> Put another way: I want a reliable, backed-up file-server before playing 
> around on my "workstation" that would be a separate computer.
>
> I want to build myself a "sand-box" so I don't have to worry about breaking 
> stuff that is unrelated.
>
> Another way of asking the question:
>
> How much of a learning curve is configuring FreeBSD (for Samba, NFS, DVD 
> burning (backups) expected to be? Am I reading too much because of a learning 
> disability, or do I really need to read and understand that much detail?
>
> I have some experience with Dos/Windows, and Linux (mainly Debian based).
>

I'm still a bit dumb-founded, because I'm not sure what an answer to
that question would look like and how one could formulate a "decent"
answer. I wonder if installing fBSD on a "sand-box" partition/machine
and just build sand castles until you're comfortable is the best way
to go.

If your looking for someone (i.e., one or three folks) to say, "Oh,
fBSD is very intuitive and if you know M$, then the migration should
be a breeze!" Good luck!

In fact, how would you treat any answer that you got to your question.
I think you should just try it (I suspect having a linux background
will help).

>
> Regards,
>
> James Phillips
>
>
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Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: > upgrade 7.2

[Neal Hogan]

> inspired by a guy (the OP) who has been using fBSD for many
>> years
>> (over 5 . . . I can't remember the exact number).
>>
>
> I have been struggling to use FreeBSD for a shorter amount of time (for a 
> fileserver). I was originally attracted to OpenBSD "for security." However, 
> OpenBSD users are expected to compile all patches from source. Since I wasn't 
> planning on doing code-reviews myself, I saw little benefit in using extra 
> disk space and compile time when binaries would do.i

run -current (via snapshots)

>

[snip . . . a lot, which I didn't read]

> So, this long story boils down to the following question:
>
> What is that best way to use the handbook and related documentation (like 
> man-pages)?
>

What?!

Ummm . . . read them. I'm not trying to be too big of a dick, but your
question strikes me as odd. Read them when you come across something
that is troubling you. I suppose there is no need to read about, say,
wifi card drivers that you don't use.

> I am willing to do some reading, but get distracted by irrelevant or 
> sometimes too low-level stuff. I want to avoid programing as much as possible 
> until I actually have a work-station I am comfortable playing around with.

How do you expect to get comfortable w/out "playing around," other
than, I guess (a'la above) reading the documentation?

>Thinking about it in the week before posting this, I think that part of my 
>problem is I want to use the documentation to do the "right thing" rather than 
>experiment. Once I move the family's files onto the server, it becomes 
>essential. I won't be able to have it out of commission for weeks at a time. I 
>hope with the server properly set up, win98 may even be usable again: just do 
>a clean install every morning! I even downloaded the Windows 7 RC so that I 
>can be informed when I say it sucks.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> James Phillips
>
> PS: I find it a little annoying that FreeBSD releases faster than I can 
> configure my computer! ;)

Again . . . What?! You're not required to update every time there is a
release. This too is odd, IMO.

>
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Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions)

[Neal Hogan]

> In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a "Ubuntu" like movement
> in the FreeBSD corner.
> What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use
> FreeBSD.
> I am not saying that a Windows user should be able to feel right at home
> on a box running FreeBSD, but a computer user should.
> The problem herein, i am afraid, lies not with FreeBSD(or any other BSD
> flavour), nor with it's community, but with the computer user.
> Most computer users see an operating system(and the application they run
> most) as part of a computer.
> How many people say "My computer is broken" when µ$ Office doesn't start
> anymore.
> They don't care about which kernel they run, or which browser they use,
> they care about typing e-mail, chatting and watching youtube video's.
> (However sad it makes me that most people use less then 10% of the
> features/programs/potential/computing-power the computer came with, they
> do make sure we pay less for our components.)
> Even though I'd feel less "cool" or "nerdy" (which is basically the same
> thing ;-) ) if I'd run(or USE) the same OS as my 76 year old
> grandfather, it would be nice for him to be able to buy a computer for
> $20 less because it runs FreeBSD.
> To achieve this, there are two things that should be made easier:
> 1. Installing a basic desktop system(next to any currently installed OS)
> 2. Keeping the base system and ports up to date.
> And when I mean "easier" I mean it should be done without bothering the
> user unless you about to "rm -rf /" as root, so to say.
> Since most people never reinstall their computer, making it easier to
> install a basic desktop system won't help my 76 year old grandpa, but it
> will make it easier for unsatisfied Windows users to try FreeBSD.
> Besides, in making it easy to install a basic desktop system, comes the
> hardest part of any *nix like system: defining a basic desktop and
> collecting the basic/standard applications.
> It's hard just to pick either one Gnome, KDE or XFCE (or iceWM ;-) ) let
> alone mail-clients, internet browsers, IM, etc. etc.
> One of the advantages of using a descent operating system is the freedom
> of choice. However most users don't care!
> I am more then happy to tel anyone which e-mail client not to use (Lotus
> notes, outlook express, anyone else's neck hears standing up?), but I
> don't want to tell people they HAVE to use Thunderbird(I do tell them
> they SHOULD but that's different) or evolution etc.
> The problem is, most people don't want to make this choice either.
> And the circle of life continues.
> So basically, to make sure people will be using freeBSD (or any *nix
> operating system) it needs to be easy to install (So that
> PC-manufacturers will ship their pc's with it), a nicely filled standard
> desktop environment with lot's of youtube/chat/word process capabilities
> and "I won't bother you with it but i'm updating" functionality.
> Just some thoughts..
> I'll get back to work now...
> ...

I must say that I find this (new) thread a bit funny since it was
inspired by a guy (the OP) who has been using fBSD for many years
(over 5 . . . I can't remember the exact number).

>
>
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Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions)

[Neal Hogan]

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Jonathan McKeown wrote:
> On Thursday 06 August 2009 09:43:47 Mark Stapper wrote:
>>
>> In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a "Ubuntu" like movement
>> in the FreeBSD corner.
>> What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use
>> FreeBSD.
> [snip]
>> To achieve this, there are two things that should be made easier:
>> 1. Installing a basic desktop system(next to any currently installed OS)
>> 2. Keeping the base system and ports up to date.
>> And when I mean "easier" I mean it should be done without bothering the
>> user unless you about to "rm -rf /" as root, so to say.
>
> This is what a couple of projects are already doing. PC-BSD springs to mind -
> I can't remember what the other one is called.

DesktopBSD

>
> PC-BSD is FreeBSD, pre-packaged with a usable desktop and its own simplified
> package manager.
>
> Jonathan
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Re: new machine trying to install /usr/ports

[Neal Hogan]

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Admin wrote:
> hi there,
>
> I am trying to get some basic ports tools installed on a new machine.  I
> downloaded the entire ports.tar.gz and then placed all those contents in
> /usr/ports
>
> What are the best next steps to follow to get things up an running?  I was
> hoping to install portsnap but here the error I am receiving.  What is
> wrong?
>

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/portsnap.html

>
> su-3.2# pkg_add -r portsnap
> Error: FTP Unable to get
> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-6-stable/Latest/portsnap.tbz:
> File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access)
> pkg_add: unable to fetch
> 'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-6-stable/Latest/portsnap.tbz'
> by URL
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Noah
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Re: ftps ?(off-topic)

[Neal Hogan]

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 3:14 AM, Mark Stapper wrote:
> Neal Hogan wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Mel
>> Flynn wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday 03 August 2009 04:26:32 Neal Hogan wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2009/8/3 Odhiambo  ワシントン :
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Frederique Rijsdijk <
>>>>>
>>>>> frederi...@isafeelin.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Odhiambo ワシントン wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is ftps?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> # grep ftps /etc/services
>>>>>> ftps-data   989/tcp# ftp protocol, data, over TLS/SSL
>>>>>> ftps-data   989/udp
>>>>>> ftps990/tcp# ftp protocol, control, over TLS/SSL
>>>>>> ftps990/udp
>>>>>>
>>>>> pure-ftpd supports TLS/SSL.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am wondering if it can do this.
>>>>>
>>>> I was curious about the OP's use of 'ftps" too. Perhaps, he could
>>>> explain what plain-old-ftp doesn't do and what he wants it to do.
>>>>
>>> When in doubt, use "she". :)
>>>
>>
>> I wasn't in doubt, but perhaps my chauvinism reared its head. I
>> apologize if I offended anyone.
>>
>> It's actually quite funny that you bring this up, because I'm involved
>> in a thread on debian-user@ with this topic. I (correctly) referred to
>> someone as Mr. So-n-so and others questioned my choice of masculine
>> reference.
>>
>>
>>> --
>>> Mel
>>>
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> It would be nice to hear more "she-calling" on these lists though...
> So maybe mailing list etiquette should state anyone posting to a mailing
> list should be referred to as "she" like we do with boats and
> institutions like the court... (well in dutch we do...)
> However, Frederique should imply the person who started this thread is
> female.

Perhaps . . .

> Either that or cette person has cruel parents...
>
>

New mailing list etiquette: Everyone should include his/her gender when posting.
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Re: ftps ?

[Neal Hogan]

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Mel
Flynn wrote:
> On Monday 03 August 2009 04:26:32 Neal Hogan wrote:
>> 2009/8/3 Odhiambo  ワシントン :
>> > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Frederique Rijsdijk <
>> >
>> > frederi...@isafeelin.org> wrote:
>> >> Odhiambo ワシントン wrote:
>> >> > What is ftps?
>> >>
>> >> # grep ftps /etc/services
>> >> ftps-data   989/tcp# ftp protocol, data, over TLS/SSL
>> >> ftps-data   989/udp
>> >> ftps990/tcp# ftp protocol, control, over TLS/SSL
>> >> ftps990/udp
>> >
>> > pure-ftpd supports TLS/SSL.
>> >
>> > I am wondering if it can do this.
>>
>> I was curious about the OP's use of 'ftps" too. Perhaps, he could
>> explain what plain-old-ftp doesn't do and what he wants it to do.
>
> When in doubt, use "she". :)

I wasn't in doubt, but perhaps my chauvinism reared its head. I
apologize if I offended anyone.

It's actually quite funny that you bring this up, because I'm involved
in a thread on debian-user@ with this topic. I (correctly) referred to
someone as Mr. So-n-so and others questioned my choice of masculine
reference.

> --
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Re: ftps ?

[Neal Hogan]

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Frederique
Rijsdijk wrote:
> Neal Hogan wrote:
>> I was curious about the OP's use of 'ftps" too. Perhaps, he could
>> explain what plain-old-ftp doesn't do and what he wants it to do.
>
>
> Encryption!

OK! (If I just said that I wanted to run something like 'xyzs', would
that be clear to you?)

www.openssh.org

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Re: ftps ?

[Neal Hogan]

2009/8/3 Odhiambo  ワシントン :
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Frederique Rijsdijk <
> frederi...@isafeelin.org> wrote:
>
>> Odhiambo ワシントン wrote:
>> > What is ftps?
>>
>> # grep ftps /etc/services
>> ftps-data   989/tcp# ftp protocol, data, over TLS/SSL
>> ftps-data   989/udp
>> ftps990/tcp# ftp protocol, control, over TLS/SSL
>> ftps990/udp
>>
>
> pure-ftpd supports TLS/SSL.
>
> I am wondering if it can do this.

I was curious about the OP's use of 'ftps" too. Perhaps, he could
explain what plain-old-ftp doesn't do and what he wants it to do.

>
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Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser

[Neal Hogan]

> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 02:32:49AM -0400, Daniel Underwood wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone suggest a fast graphical web browser?  I use Firefox
>> (because every page displays well and I can sync bookmarks), and I
>> also use elinks (when graphics don't matter).  I'm looking for some
>> middle ground, a browser that can display most sites well but is
>> faster (or more lightweight) than Firefox.  (Note: I tried dillo, but
>> it doesn't display most sites well enough.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers

That seems to a logical suggestion given that I'm (we are) not sure
what you are looking for. "~Firefox is too slow and dillo doesn't
display most websites . . . well enough~" is a bit tough to parse
(specifically, to your needs).

I find ff to be good enough, as far as your requirements are
concerned, as well as IE (ugh!).
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Re: (no subject)

[Neal Hogan]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Jon Radel wrote:
> wcl...@dl1.njit.edu wrote:
>>
>> How do I set up mail server on 7.2bsd
>
> That's such a broad question that it's unreasonable to expect a complete
> answer on a mailing list.  So I'd suggest you start with reading some
> documentation, such as
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mail.html
>
> Once you've decided which e-mail server you wish to use and what you want it
> to do, feel free to come back with specific questions if things go wrong or
> specific steps remain obscure.

+1

. . . and a descriptive (email) subject line may help attract help.
Prior to opening, I was intrigued to see what a post about nothing
would look like ;-)

>
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>
> --Jon Radel
> j...@radel.com
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Re: asking about NIC card for freebsd 7.2 i386

[Neal Hogan]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:13 AM,  wrote:
> i doubt about NIC card BMC5674 support or not for freebsd7.2 ? or should i 
> use freebsd8.2 beta ?
> hope reply me.

Neither (or both). The Broadcom cards are tricky and they have been
talked about a lot. Look at this list's archives and/or google
something like "freebsd broadcom"

also, look up information on freebsd's ndiswrapper.

good luck!

>
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Re: Xorg and Dual Head Video?

[Neal Hogan]

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Gene wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> I was wondering if anyone could point me toward any docs, or even better,
> how-tos on setting up Xorg using dual head video?

I use xrandr(1). Below is my xorg.conf.

HTH.

  1 Section "ServerLayout"
  2 Identifier "X.org Configured"
  3 Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
  4 InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
  5 InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
  6 EndSection
  7
  8 Section "Files"
  9 ModulePath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules"
 10 FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
 11 FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/"
 12 FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/OTF"
 13 FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
 14 FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
 15 FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
 16 EndSection
 17
 18 Section "Module"
 19 Load  "GLcore"
 20 Load  "dbe"
 21 Load  "dri"
 22 Load  "extmod"
 23 Load  "glx"
 24 Load  "record"
 25 Load  "xtrap"
 26 Load  "freetype"
 27 Load  "type1"
 28 EndSection
 29
 30 Section "InputDevice"
 31 Identifier  "Keyboard0"
 32 Driver  "kbd"
 33 EndSection
 34
 35 Section "InputDevice"
 36 Identifier  "Mouse0"
 37 Driver  "mouse"
 38 Option  "Protocol" "wsmouse"
 39 Option  "Device" "/dev/wsmouse"
 40 Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
 41 EndSection
 42
 43 Section "Monitor"
 44 Identifier   "Monitor0"
 45 VendorName   "Lenovo"
 46 ModelName"T400"
 47 EndSection
 48
 49 Section "Monitor"
 50 Identifier   "Monitor1"
 51 VendorName   "LG"
 52 ModelName"Flatron"
 53 Option   "DPMS"
 54 EndSection
 55
 56 Section "Device"
 57 ### Available Driver options are:-
 58 ### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False",
 59 ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz"
 60 ### [arg]: arg optional
 61 #Option "NoAccel"   # []
 62 #Option "SWcursor"  # []
 63 #Option "ColorKey"  # 
 64 #Option "CacheLines"# 
 65 #Option "Dac6Bit"   # []
 66 #Option "DRI"   # []
 67 #Option "NoDDC" # []
 68 #Option "ShowCache" # []
 69 #Option "XvMCSurfaces"  # 
 70 #Option "PageFlip"  # []
 71 Identifier  "Card0"
 72 Driver  "intel"
 73 VendorName  "Intel"
 74 BoardName   "GM45 Video"
 75 BusID   "PCI:0:2:0"
 76 Option  "monitor-T400" "Monitor0"
 77 Option  "monitor-LG"   "Monitor1"
 78 EndSection
 79
 80 Section "Screen"
 81 Identifier "Screen0"
 82 Device "Card0"
 83 #Monitor"Monitor0"
 84 SubSection "Display"
 85 Viewport   0 0
 86 Depth 1
 87 EndSubSection
 88 SubSection "Display"
 89 Viewport   0 0
 90 Depth 4
 91 EndSubSection
 92 SubSection "Display"
 93 Viewport   0 0
 94 Depth 8
 95 EndSubSection
 96 SubSection "Display"
 97 Viewport   0 0
 98 Depth 15
 99 EndSubSection
100 SubSection "Display"
101 Viewport   0 0
102 Depth 16
103 EndSubSection
104 SubSection "Display"
105 Virtual   2880 900
106 Viewport   0 0
107 Depth 24
108 EndSubSection
109 EndSection

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Re: IPFW: Need some help

[Neal Hogan]

2009/6/28 Anton :
>
>   Hello all,
>
>   I'm new to *nix and now, while configuring IPFW Firewall on FreeBSD
>   7.2  has stuck in a problem:
>
>   After packet from my network is passed to natd demon - it is returning
>   t o firewall (it is normal, as I think ;-) ), but I see another
>   abnormal thin g: when it is returned to firewall, it does not come
>   under rule which state s to allow packet from some host in my
>   network, and goes under rule which a llows packets from FreeBSD box.
>
>   I.e.: packet from 192.168.0.2, directed to 86.57.250.18 comes to
>   freebsd box. First, it comes to rule, which NATs it to interface ng0.
>   Then, after  NAT rule, there is rule, which allows packet flow from
>   192.168.0.2 to 86.57 .250.18 out via ng0. But, IPFW does not show,
>   that any packet is allowed by this rule - is rather shows that
>   packets are allowed by another rule: allo w all from me to any.
>

I'm no IPFW expert, but it seems to me that the packets are already in
and NAT'd. Then they're being redirected internally. Thus being
"allowed from 'you' to any" (Don't take this explanation as true. It's
merely my understanding from the brief look at the link Mr, Barber
sent you, which you read . . . right?)

>   Need help in explaining in this problem, and how to alter the things
>   in  the way i need it (if it is real)

Two suggestions for getting more specific help:

1) Look around on the web. There appear to be many discussion about
IPFW and NAT. (eg.,
http://freebsd.rogness.net/redirect.cgi?basic/nat.html).

2) Post your ruleset. This way, folk will know what to "alter."


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Re: Unable to auto-mount a CD in XFCE4

[Neal Hogan]

man umount

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Jerry wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:09:58 -0400
> Chad Brown  wrote:
>
>> See here (#3):
>> http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html
>
> OK, now I discovered a new problem. When attempting to eject the CD, I
> am greeted with another error message, viewable at the following URL.
>
> http://imagebin.ca/view/wa99wB.html
>
> I cannot remove the CD from the drive. That kind of sucks. I may have
> to reboot to get it out.
>
> The output of polkit-auth:
>
> org.gnome.gconf.defaults.set-system
> org.gnome.gconf.defaults.set-mandatory
> org.freedesktop.hal.wol.enabled
> org.freedesktop.hal.wol.enable
> org.freedesktop.hal.wol.supported
> org.freedesktop.hal.dockstation.undock
> org.freedesktop.hal.killswitch.bluetooth
> org.freedesktop.hal.killswitch.wlan
> org.freedesktop.hal.killswitch.wwan
> org.freedesktop.hal.power-management.shutdown
> org.freedesktop.hal.power-management.shutdown-multiple-sessions
> org.freedesktop.hal.power-management.reboot
> org.freedesktop.hal.power-management.reboot-multiple-sessions
> org.freedesktop.hal.power-management.set-powersave
> org.freedesktop.hal.power-management.suspend
> org.freedesktop.hal.power-management.hibernate
> org.freedesktop.hal.power-management.cpufreq
> org.freedesktop.hal.power-management.lcd-panel
> org.freedesktop.hal.power-management.light-sensor
> org.freedesktop.hal.power-management.keyboard-backlight
> org.freedesktop.hal.storage.mount-fixed
> org.freedesktop.hal.storage.mount-removable
> org.freedesktop.hal.storage.unmount-others
> org.freedesktop.hal.storage.eject
> org.freedesktop.hal.storage.crypto-setup-fixed
> org.freedesktop.hal.storage.crypto-setup-removable
> org.freedesktop.hal.lock
> org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.stop
> org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.stop-multiple-users
> org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.restart
> org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.restart-multiple-users
> org.freedesktop.policykit.read
> org.freedesktop.policykit.revoke
> org.freedesktop.policykit.grant
> org.freedesktop.policykit.modify-defaults
>
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Re: IRC

[Neal Hogan]

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 6:05 AM, malathi selvaraj wrote:
> how to join  freebsd  in irc

http://www.freebsd.org/community/irc.html

Take a second to look around . . . (this refers to your other question, as well)

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Re: Announcing: FreeBSD Custom XFCE ISO (take II)

[Neal Hogan]

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Manolis Kiagias wrote:
> Andrew Gould wrote:
>> 2009/6/16 Manolis Kiagias :
>>
>>
>> List of main packages
>> ==
>>
>> This is a comprehensive list of packages included in the ISO:
>>
>> abiword, archivers (zip, unzip, rar, unrar) bash, bluefish, cdrtools,
>> dvd+rw-tools, evince, firefox3, gimp, gnash, gnumeric, gnupg,
>> inkscape, mercurial, pkg_rmleaves, portaudit, portupgrade,  rdesktop,
>> rtorrent, ristretto, samba, scribus, sudo, thunderbird, tilda, wget,
>> xfburn,  xfce4 + plugins,  xorg, zim.
>>
>
>> Would you consider adding unix2dos?
>
>> Thanks
>
>> Andrew
>>
>
>
> Sure. I am making a list of what people would like to see included, and
> will add most of them in the next iteration. Small utilities like this
> are not a problem.

I'm curious (and it may help quell some suggestions) what your
criteria is for adding things. So far, it seems that your adding all
suggestions.

BTW - I like this project and have been thinking of doing something
similar with oBSD.

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Re: The freebsd-questions Archives

[Neal Hogan]

On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Leslie Jensen wrote:
> Hello list!
>
> I try not to disturb the list unless I need to using the list archive to
> find answers.
>
> I've never been successful in searching the archives it always returns
>
> No matches were found for ...
>
>
> Now I see that the search index is not rebuild for a long time
>
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> rebuild is usally done once every 24 hours for this list. You can use a
> "View by date" link below to access more recent postings.
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> How should I search the list ?

http://marc.info/?w=2

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Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Installation Manual

[Neal Hogan]

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 8:09 AM,  wrote:
> In www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-post.html
> It says: "If the X server has been configured and a Default Desktop chosen,
> it can be started by typing startx at the command line." but nowhere in the
> manual or the installation program is there any information or options on X
> server configuration or choosing a Default Desktop!  Help!

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x11.html [+]

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Re: Cronjob

[Neal Hogan]

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Jos Chrispijn  wrote:

> I would like to execute a script on every last day of the month in my
> crontab.
> Can someone tell me how I should solve that as it doesn't know which month
> day is the last day of the month?


If it really needs to be done on the last day of each month (eg, the 28th of
Feb . . . the 31st of Oct . . . etc.), I suppose you could set up 12
different jobs. Be aware of the dreaded leap year, though!


>
> Solving this in the script to be executed is no option.
>
> Thanks, Jos
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Re: sponsoring ZFS development on FreeBSD

[Neal Hogan]

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Pieter de Goeje  wrote:

> On Saturday 06 June 2009 13:47:57 Neal Hogan wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Wojciech Puchar <
> >
> > woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote:
> > > My question is concerning sponsoring the FreeBSD project and ZFS
> > >
> > >> development in particular. I know I am just a relatively poor person
> > >> so I can't contribute much (maybe on the order of 20-30 euro a month),
> > >
> > > donati...@freebsd.org
> > >
> > > and of course you may sponsor it too by improving ZFS code, or maybe -
> > > making some better FS.
> > >
> > >  but I keep seeing FreeBSD core team members keep mentioning "we value
> > >
> > >> donations of all sizes", so what the hell :) Anyways, in the past I
> > >> have directed my donations to The FreeBSD Foundation, if I want to
> > >> ensure that as much of my money as possible goes directly to benefit
> > >> the development of ZFS support on FreeBSD, should I continue donating
> > >
> > > just tell them about it.
> >
> > hahahahaha
>
> I'm not sure why you are laughing, because you _can_ tell the FreeBSD
> Foundation how you would like them to spent your money. If you click on
> "Donate" there's a box where you can enter the project(s) you'd like to see
> funded.
> Although ZFS isn't currently listed as a project, I'm sure there's enough
> interest from the community.


Just to clarify. . .

I'm not laughing at just the response, which was appropriate. I was laughing
at the combination of response and responder.

I'll shut up now.


>
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Re: sponsoring ZFS development on FreeBSD

[Neal Hogan]

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Wojciech Puchar <
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote:

> My question is concerning sponsoring the FreeBSD project and ZFS
>> development in particular. I know I am just a relatively poor person
>> so I can't contribute much (maybe on the order of 20-30 euro a month),
>>
>
> donati...@freebsd.org
>
> and of course you may sponsor it too by improving ZFS code, or maybe -
> making some better FS.
>
>  but I keep seeing FreeBSD core team members keep mentioning "we value
>> donations of all sizes", so what the hell :) Anyways, in the past I
>> have directed my donations to The FreeBSD Foundation, if I want to
>> ensure that as much of my money as possible goes directly to benefit
>> the development of ZFS support on FreeBSD, should I continue donating
>>
>
> just tell them about it.


hahahahaha


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Re: hello

[Neal Hogan]

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Wojciech Puchar
 wrote:
>> I am trying to install freebsd on my m-2625u  gateway laptop but am
>> running into trouble. whe  I try to start x all I get is a black screen.
>
> X -configure
>
> and look if it works fine (no crash etc).
>
> It will generate  xorg.conf file in current directory. move it to /etc/X11
> and try to edit something
>
> Xorg tries to autoconfigure things but it may not always work

if auto-config fails, check out the xrandr pkg/port to get some screen specs.

Have you looked at the output of 'dmesg' (or /var/run/dmesg.boot)? It
will give you detailed hardware info. Also, I suggest posting that
info on this list as well. Perhaps someone has the same hardware as
you and can suggest something specific to it.

-Neal

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Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

[Neal Hogan]

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Chad Perrin  wrote:
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:57:57PM +0200, Peter Boosten wrote:
>> Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>> >>
>> > exactly does. i just don't catch why he - while stopping using it
>> > because of forum - still read and posts here.
>>
>> None of your concern: this is just what everybody is writing about.
>> Whether someone is using FreeBSD or not, and reading here or not, is
>> irrelevant to most (and probably to all) discussions going on here, and
>> it is my understanding (and my opinion, which is different than yours on
>> this matter I suspect) that your commenting on this is mostly unappreciated.
>
> Actually, that's technically your estimation -- not your opinion.  It may
> be correct or incorrect (and if it's incorrect, then I'm incorrect too,
> because I have come to the same conclusion), but the fact it's not a
> settled matter doesn't mean it's opinion.  The term opinion has a very
> specific meaning, and this isn't it.
>
> Saying *you* don't appreciate it would be a matter of opinion.  Saying
> you think most people don't appreciate it would be an estimation of the
> popularity of a given opinion -- but not an opinion itself.

Huh?

>
> I don't mean to "bust your balls" on this, so to speak.  I just want to
> offer my thoughts on the matter of what does and does not constitute
> opinion so that people who disdain what others observe but cannot
> necessarily prove will not find it as easy to dismiss things as mere
> "opinion".
>
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Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

[Neal Hogan]

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Wojciech Puchar
 wrote:
>> No! Unless you think that fBSd is the only functional/reliable OS. If
>
> for my needs it's actually true. Only FreeBSD meets my requirements.


ok . . .


>
>> Wojciech, I, like many others who have responded on this thread,
>> appreciate much of the help that you provide on this list. You seem to
>> fail (for whatever reason) to understand that your opinionated
>> comments may need to be better thought out. If you were the "monitor"
>> of your utopian mailing list, what would you have done with your
>
> Of course - you already decided about "utopian". no argument for this.
>
>> response to the OP?
>
> as i said (another example you don't read what i write carefully) i would
> first define strict rules of posting.
>
> and then moderators should only execute them. If i would be moderator i
> could only do this, or stop being moderator.
>
> If rules would allow any discussion if moderator should or should not delete
> post, then rules are wrong and must be fixed.
>
> moderator can not have any power to resolve personal things through it.

I read what you posted "carefully." I'm asking you to play pretend . .
. if you were the moderator of the list you suggest, do you think that
the response you gave to the OP, as a non-developer, is acceptable.
That is, do you think that that those who have no responsibility as
far as what is done with $$ donated to the fBSD cause (i.e., you)
should respond to to those who wish to donate?

For a minute there, I was hoping that it was a language issue (BTW - I
think your English is quite good), but now I think it's an attention
issue.

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Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

[Neal Hogan]

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Wojciech Puchar
 wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, that certainly doesn't follow.
>>
>> Actually, that one does.
>
> Don't bother, he just answered that after reading "wojciech puchar" in mail
> header, so he had to be against.

No! Unless you think that fBSd is the only functional/reliable OS. If
so, good luck making that argument.

Wojciech, I, like many others who have responded on this thread,
appreciate much of the help that you provide on this list. You seem to
fail (for whatever reason) to understand that your opinionated
comments may need to be better thought out. If you were the "monitor"
of your utopian mailing list, what would you have done with your
response to the OP?

>
>> If you use FreeBSD because of the OS functionality/reliability, etc
>> then trashy noise on the questions list wouldn't make a difference
>> in your choice.
>
> i can give myself as an example. Even no forum at all won't make me change
> it.
>
> But i want high quality forum, because i like new users who want to learn
> "true good unix" to not be stucked up by some simple problem with that OS,
> that by accident isn't described well in handbook or manual.
>
> That's for what forum should be, and why it should be moderated, and posting
> rules clearly defined for all users.
>
> It will be then FreeBSD forum after all, not
> everything-about-something-more-or-less-remotely-connected-with-unix.
>
>>  If you stop using it because you don't like the
>> noise, then functionality is not your high priority.    Maybe saying
>> 'at all' is over the top.
>
> maybe not at all, but at least it means that such user don't see a
> functionality difference between FreeBSD and some other system, so he can
> choose because of forum "quality", personal taste, what name sounds better
> and what logo looks nicer.
>



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Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

[Neal Hogan]

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Wojciech Puchar
 wrote:
 - post ONLY about FreeBSD. FreeBSD == what is created by FreeBSD
 fundation and contributors.
>>>
>>> But you're the troublemaker that needs shutting up.
>>>
>> i don't see the matureness of comments like this. possibly you meant it
>> in a different way.
>
> of course it's very mature response :) it was repeated so many times this or
> similar way at me that it matured!

That's actually pretty funny! Nice!

>
>> i haven't read through the posts and don't plan on doing so, but if
>> there are wildly ot posts on the thread, i can understand why some
>> people would be concerned.
>
> and that's just another argument of making moderated list in parallel of
> this unmoderated.

As far as having the right to post your opinion . .  sure . . . but
that does not mean that your opinions are just as good as others.
Being of the opinion that the earth is flat is just not a very good
opinion . . . no?

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Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

[Neal Hogan]

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar
 wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course - ban it!
>>
>>
>> Just my 2c... Snotty comments like this in a public forum, is exactly why
>> I
>> no longer use FreeBSD.  Just about everything in these mailing lists turns
>
> If you stopped using FreeBSD BECAUSE OF FORUM, congratulations ;)
>
> This means that OS functionality is not important for you at all!

Well, that certainly doesn't follow.

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Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD

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On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Wojciech Puchar
 wrote:
>>
>> It is NOT an opinion that you were rude in your reply, and it is NOT
>> an opinion that it's not your place to advise on how much constitutes
>> an 'acceptable' or 'sufficient' donation.
>>
>> You were just plain wrong in doing so, and you should either quietly
>> stop replying defending your actions, or even perhaps admit you were
>> wrong and apologise.
>>
> just another funny post - it's not an opinion, it's a fact BECAUSE YOU
> DECIDED SO.

How many "opinions" do you need before you start taking this seriously?

Please add me to the list of those who find many (if not all) of
opinionated comments to be obnoxious.

-Neal
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Re: Can't play videos on 7.2

[Neal Hogan]

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:50 AM, jery  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am using Freebsd 7.2
> my system hangs when playing videos, it's the same for vlc and totem.
>
>
> >From the Xorg.0.log file
>
> intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810,
>        i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G,
>        E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, 965G, G35, 965Q, 946GZ,
>        965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33,
>        Mobile Intel® GM45 Express Chipset,
>        Intel Integrated Graphics Device, G45/G43,

What are you using to play the vids?

>
>
> Thank you
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Re: Can't get ndis0 working

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ze     Name
>  1   19 0xc040 9fab28   kernel
>  2    1 0xc0dfb000 6a45c    acpi.ko
>  3    1 0xc4767000 22000    linux.ko
>  4    1 0xc489c000 9000     i915.ko
>  5    1 0xc48a5000 13000    drm.ko
>  6    1 0xc532c000 c000     if_ndis.ko
>  7    1 0xc5338000 16000    ndis.ko
>
> 12) # ifconfig ndis0 up
> ifconfig: interface ndis0 does not exist
>
> I've no idea whats going wrong , perhaps anyone can help ?

Perhaps I can indirectly help . . .

I had a discussion on this list a little while back about the ndis
wrapper. Perhaps some of the suggestions made to me by folks who have
had success with it will help you. It looks as though you did some (if
not all) of the things that I did, which were commented on in the
discussion. My patience wore too thin for me to fully work it out, but
perhaps you're a better man than I.

http://freebsd.monkey.org/freebsd-questions/200901/msg00435.html

One thing that may not be mentioned in the above the thread is that
you may have to try different .inf and .sys files until you get one
that works . . . that consumed most of the little patience that I had.

Good luck!

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Re: Welcome to the "freebsd-questions" mailing list

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On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Shakil Khan  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone let me know how can I download FreeBSD kernel source code. I am
> on Linux and am not able to download using CVS. Can someone point me exactly
> and also if some links are available where I can download tar ball of
> FreeBSD kernek source code.

I'm likely missing something . . . I apologize if I am, but why can't
you use CVS on linux?

One of many examples found after googling "installing cvs linux":

http://www.freeos.com/articles/4608/

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Re: How to?

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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Lloyd Friedman  wrote:
> I have a Microway computer with a PC164LX.
> How and where can I down load FreeBSD ALPHA version.
> I know it is no longer supported, but I believe there are older versions I 
> can down load.
> If not, then I will have to try to find a Linux that will work.

I'm not sure about fBSD issue and if this is kosher, but, if you wanna
stay with a BSD (which is okay with me), why not try netBSD, which
prides itself on being compatible/supported with "everything" (AFAIK)?

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Re: freebsd vs. pc-bsd

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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Michael Jr.  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was just wondering what are the major differences between freebsd and
> pc-bsd and is it harder or just as easy to setup freebsd as a desktop
> compared to pc-bsd? Will freebsd work with sager laptops, and will freebsd
> recognize 4 gigs of ddr3 memory and if it does not regularly, how can I get
> freebsd to recognize 4 gigs of ddr3 memory? Will freebsd be able to
> recognize the latest technologies, like
> intel core 2 duo and the new Nvidia GTX260m, and hard drives at any speed
> like 7200 rpm? I don't know any kind of code so is there any books or any
> kind of resources that you recommend I look at?

Have you looked at . . . I mean read . .  the PC-BSD and/or freeBSD
sites? pcbsd.org freebsd.org

> Sorry I have so many questions but I just ordered a new sager laptop and I
> do not really want to have to use windows vista if I don't have to, and I
> think it would be fun to learn how to use freebsd.



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> Thank you,
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Re: X-Org problem

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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Ott Köstner  wrote:
> Dear list,
>
> After upgrading Xorg from ports to the latest version
> xorg-server-1.6.0,1
> xorg-7.4_1
>
> I am experiencing very unpleasant phenomenon, Xorg randomly exiting with 
> message:
>
> Apr 24 15:16:16 ott kernel: pid 7445 (Xorg), uid 0: exited on signal 6
> Apr 24 15:16:16 ott kdm-bin[1020]: X server for display :0 terminated 
> unexpectedly
>
> Also, there is a strange behavior with dual-head mode -- when moving cursor 
> from one screen to another, the little white arrow remains on the other 
> screen.
>
> Please help! What might it be? Recompiled probably everything related to 
> Xorg. Using Nvidia driver version
> nvidia-driver-96.43.11

I'm no expert, but to help those that are, I suggest that you post the
contents of your /etc/X11/Xorg.0.log (perhaps a dmesg, too).


>
> With best regards,
> Ott Köstner
>
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Re: missing xorgconfig

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On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 1:10 PM, kenneth hatteland
 wrote:
> Having reinstalled my laptop twice and updated to stable 7.2 prerelease but
> each time no xorgconfig exists as I am used to. xfce4 starts ok, but I get
> the known mouse locked problem and would love and xorg.conf to edit as  I
> have learned but it doesn`t exist.
>
> Anyone know hos to install xorgconfig manually ??

www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-config.html

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Re: Need to change screen resolution...

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On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Warren Block  wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>
>>> I am trying to find a way to change my current screen resolution from the
>>> default 720x426 (I think). The monitor I use to view all my servers via
>>> KVM
>>> switch - the font is too big on the screen - if I could increase the
>>> screen
>>> size to maybe 1028x756 that would be great.
>>>
>> from what you've got that nonsense numbers like 720x426
>
> Probably from an onscreen display on the monitor.  It suggests a text
> console, so vidcontrol(1) would be the place to look.  Not sure why everyone
> seems to be thinking X would be used on a server.

Because it could be?

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Re: Need to change screen resolution...

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On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Q. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello
>
> I am trying to find a way to change my current screen resolution from the
> default 720x426 (I think). The monitor I use to view all my servers via KVM
> switch - the font is too big on the screen - if I could increase the screen
> size to maybe 1028x756 that would be great.
>
> Any one knowing please email me the answer.

Do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf?

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Re: What flash players should be used from ports?

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On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Andrew Falanga  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to finally get a flashplayer installed for use with Firefox.  Which
> one should I use from the ports system?  I found this one that looks
> promising:
>
> /usr/ports/www/flashplugin-mozilla
>
> Is the recommended one, or should I choose another?

I found /usr/ports/graphics/gnash to be acceptable.

>
> Andy
>
> --
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is it such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
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Re: add to mailing list

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On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Rajeev Sharma  wrote:
> Kindly add me in FreeBSD mailing list

I will, only if you consider the following link ;)

http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions

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Re: does ndisgen work with(mini) pci-E cards?

[Neal Hogan]

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Steve Franks  wrote:
> My new laptop is the fist I've seen with mini-pci-express.  Major
> PITA.  I get ndis0 after ndisgen/kldload/etc, but I can see any AP's,
> and I'm wondering if it's due to the new bus?  I suspect I'm barking
> up the wrong tree since the driver does get loaded, it's probably
> finding the card...other thoughts I'm having is alot of Q&A I've
> googled makes reference to the speficic rev of ndis (4.0, 5.0,
> 5.1)...maybe that's an issue...
>
> Best,
> Steve
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This isn't going to be much help, but it may add to your relief/dismay
. . . I hope it's the former.

I had enough problems trying to get my Broadcom card (mini-pci -
BCM94306MP)  to work that i gave up and just plug it in. I would get
it installed and it would panic. You seem to have avoided that . . .
good. What .sys and .inf files are you using? From what I understand,
you need/should try a bunch 'til one works.

I wish you the best of luck!

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amarok + ipod

[Neal Hogan]

(no luck on the multimedia list . . . so, I'm trying here)

Hello,
Well, I've got amarok running with 7.1-RELEASE and my question concerns
amarok's interaction with an ipod. I am able to transfer music from my
computer to the ipod and can play music that's on the ipod on amarok, but
the quality, in both cases is quite poor. There is a lot of skipping,
repetition, and general distortion.  The songs sound fine from their source
(i.e., the transferring device). I've been looking around (google, mailing
list archives, etc.), but I don't see any suggestions. I'm hoping you may
provide some guidance.

 Also, when I quit amarok, it doesn't appear to fully shutdown. It will get
to a point in the process and just hang. If I press enter after several
seconds of waiting, I get back to my prompt. The point at which it hangs is
not consistent.

Do you need a dmesg or anything?

Thanks!


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Re: FreeBSD 7 and 2 monitors

[Neal Hogan]

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:56 PM, User Wblock  wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, M. Vale wrote:
>
>  Hi, I have 2 monitors (20" Asus) with a Radeon X1600/X1650 PRO configure
>> with xrand and everything works ok.
>>
>> The resolution I'm using right now is 3360x1050.
>>
>> Now I've a brand new Asus 24 (MK241H), and  I can use this monitor with
>> the
>> other asus.
>>
>> My configuration now is 1 monitor 24" Asus and another one 20", but xrand
>> cant use this to make one desktop :(
>>
>
> Please post specifics.
>
>  Do you have any solutions or recomendations in how to put this 2 monitors
>> working.
>>
>
> Use xorg.conf instead of xrandr?
>
>
Curious . . .

Are there are any benefits to using just the xorg.conf, besides the dual
head set-up being initiated automatically when X starts? What happens, for
example, when one of your monitors is a laptop's monitor and you start X
without connected to the other monitor (say, I'm at Starbuck's)?

Thanks!



>
>
>  one monitor max resolution is 1920 x 1200 (24) and the other Asus 1680 x
>> 1050 (20).
>>
>
> I have a 1920x1200 and 1024x768 dual monitors with an X1650 right here.
> Here's the xorg.conf:
>
> Section "ServerLayout"
>Identifier   "X.org Configured"
>Screen   0  "Screen0" 0 0
>Option   "Blank Time" "0"
>Option   "Standby Time" "0"
>Option   "Suspend Time" "0"
>Option   "Off Time" "0"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Files"
>ModulePath   "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules"
>FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
>FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/"
>FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF"
>FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
>FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
>FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
>FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/bitstream-vera/"
> EndSection
>
> Section "DRI"
>Group 0
>Mode  0660
> EndSection
>
> Section "Monitor"
>Identifier   "Monitor0"
>VendorName   "HWP"
>ModelName"2615"
>Option   "PreferredMode" "1920x1200"
>Option   "Position" "1024 0"
>Option   "DPMS"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Monitor"
>Identifier   "Monitor1"
>VendorName   "PHL"
>ModelName"Philips 150B3"
>Option   "PreferredMode" "1024x768"
>Option   "Position" "0 0"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Device"
>### Available Driver options are:-
>### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False",
>### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz"
>### [arg]: arg optional
>#Option "NoAccel"   # []
>#Option "SWcursor"  # []
>#Option "Dac6Bit"   # []
>#Option "Dac8Bit"   # []
>#Option "BusType"   # []
>#Option "CPPIOMode" # []
>#Option "CPusecTimeout" # 
>#Option "AGPMode"   # 
>#Option "AGPFastWrite"  # []
>#Option "AGPSize"   # 
>#Option "GARTSize"  # 
>#Option "RingSize"  # 
>#Option "BufferSize"# 
>#Option "EnableDepthMoves"  # []
>#Option "EnablePageFlip"# []
>#Option "NoBackBuffer"  # []
>#Option "DMAForXv"  # []
>#Option "FBTexPercent"  # 
>#Option "DepthBits" # 
>#Option "PCIAPERSize"   # 
>#Option "AccelDFS"  # []
>#Option "DDCMode"   # []
>#Option "IgnoreEDID"# []
>#Option "DisplayPriority"   # []
>#Option "PanelSize" # []
>#Option "ForceMinDotClock"  # 
>#Option "ColorTiling"   # []
>#Option "VideoKey"  # 
>#Option "RageTheatreCrystal"# 
>#Option "RageTheatreTunerPort"  # 
>#Option "RageTheatreCompositePort"  # 
>#Option "RageTheatreSVideoPort" # 
>#Option "TunerType" # 
>#Option "RageTheatreMicrocPath" # 
>#Option "RageTheatreMicrocType" # 
>#Option "ScalerWidth"   # 
>#Option "RenderAccel"   # []
>#Option "SubPixelOrder" # []
>#Option "ShowCache" # []
>#Option "DynamicClocks" # []
>#Option "VGAAccess" # []
>#Option "ReverseDDC"# []
>#Option "LVDSProbePLL"  # []
>#Option "AccelMethod"   # 
>#O

Re: (no subject)

[Neal Hogan]

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:36 AM, ayyappa mhsp wrote:

> sir,
>  i just want to know during the installation of bsd all the
> applications that are in packages are installed or simply added to some
> directories.
> I want to generate some tcp or some other packets on one system.
> Just tell me how to work with packages.


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Re: FreeBSD 7 and 2 monitors

[Neal Hogan]

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:36 AM, M. Vale  wrote:

> Hi, I have 2 monitors (20" Asus) with a Radeon X1600/X1650 PRO configure
> with xrand and everything works ok.
>
> The resolution I'm using right now is 3360x1050.
>
> Now I've a brand new Asus 24 (MK241H), and  I can use this monitor with the
> other asus.
>
> My configuration now is 1 monitor 24" Asus and another one 20", but xrand
> cant use this to make one desktop :(


can we see your xorg.conf?


>
>
> Do you have any solutions or recomendations in how to put this 2 monitors
> working.
>
> one monitor max resolution is 1920 x 1200 (24) and the other Asus 1680 x
> 1050 (20).
>
> Best Regards
>
> Mauro V.
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Re: Important

[Neal Hogan]

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Mohit Arora  wrote:

> Hi Team ,
>
> I having Windows XP haing 512MB RAM .Please let me know the proper  step by
> step method to download freeBsD online .Please explain by giving example of
> 7.1 version.
>
> Thanks & regards
> Mohit
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xorg-server-1.5.3_7, /usr/ports/UPDATING, mouse

[Neal Hogan]

Well, recently I deinstalled all of my third party apps . . . long story
(some of which is documented on this list) . . . but the short story is that
some were added via the ports tree and others via pkg_add. When it came time
to portupdate, I was having problems and it was brought to my attention
that, among other things, mixing ports and packages may lead to problems.
Also, I didn't do the massive deinstall until after I had portupgraded all
of my packages individually and the mouse/keyboard didn't work with X (it
did at the console). Once this happened I felt compelled to wipe the slate.

So, with no ports/packages installed and starting with a fresh ports tree, I
began installing them one-by-one:

1) cd /usr/ports/path/port
2) make && make install && make clean

I started with xorg. After it was installed, I tried to start X (startx) . .
. no dice . . . no big deal. I created the basic xorg.conf (Xorg
-configure), tried it (Xorg -config xorg.conf.new). X started, but no mouse
activity and ctrl+alt+backspace did not quit X. I had moused enable in
rc.conf and, as I say above the mouse worked (i.e., it moved when asked) at
the console. /usr/ports/UPDATING says that some mouse issues were cleared
up:

"20090124:
 241   AFFECTS: users of x11-servers/xorg-server, sysutils/hal
 242   AUTHOR: rnol...@freebsd.org
 243
 244   sysutils/hal has been updated and should now properly detect
 245   mice for use in Xorg.  Use of AllowEmptyInput should no longer
 246   be needed for most users and moused should now work fine."

But, as I say, I have no mouse under X. So, I try adding:

Option  "AllowEmptyInput" "off"

in my xorg.conf and "Hey! We gotta mouse!"

I just rebooted and the mouse still works in X, but just before rebooting I
disabled moused (in rc.conf -> moused_enable="NO"). So, adding the above
line to xorg.conf helped with/without moused. Note that prior to this whole
portupgrade deal I was running 7.1-RELEASE without an xorg.conf, put with an
older xorg.

At this point, I'm not upset b/c everything seems to be working fine. Just
curious what might be going on. Thanks for you time. Below is my dmesg.

1 Copyright (c) 1992-2009 The FreeBSD Project.
  2 Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
  3 The Regents of the University of California. All rights
reserved.
  4 FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.
  5 FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE #0: Sat Jan 10 19:07:15 CST 2009
  6 n...@frege.lambdaserver:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
  7 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
  8 CPU: mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP2400+ (1788.94-MHz 686-class CPU)
  9   Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x6a0  Stepping = 0
 10
Features=0x383f9ff
 11   AMD Features=0xc0480800
 12 real memory  = 468647936 (446 MB)
 13 avail memory = 444530688 (423 MB)
 14 kbd1 at kbdmux0
 15 ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413,
RF5413)
 16 acpi0:  on motherboard
 17 acpi0: [ITHREAD]
 18 acpi0: Power Button (fixed)
 19 Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000
 20 acpi_timer0: <32-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x8008-0x800b on acpi0
 21 acpi_ec0:  port 0x62,0x66 on acpi0
 22 pcib0:  port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0
 23 pci_link5: BIOS IRQ 10 for 0.10.INTA is invalid
 24 pci0:  on pcib0
 25 agp0:  on hostb0
 26 pcib1:  at device 1.0 on pci0
 27 pci1:  on pcib1
 28 vgapci0:  port 0x9000-0x90ff mem
0xe000-0xefff,0xd010-0xd010 irq 10 at device 5.0 on pci1
 29 ohci0:  mem
0xd0006000-0xd0006fff irq 9 at device 2.0 on pci0
 30 ohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
 31 ohci0: [ITHREAD]
 32 usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support
 33 usb0: SMM does not respond, resetting
 34 usb0:  on ohci0
 35 usb0: USB revision 1.0
 36 uhub0:  on
usb0
37 uhub0: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered
 38 pcm0:  port 0x8400-0x84ff mem 0xd0007000-0xd0007fff irq
5 at device 6.0 on pci0
 39 pcm0: 
 40 pcm0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
 41 pcm0: [ITHREAD]
 42 isab0:  at device 7.0 on pci0
 43 isa0:  on isab0
 44 pci0:  at device 8.0 (no driver attached)
 45 pci0:  at device 9.0 (no driver attached)
 46 cbb0:  irq 11 at device 10.0 on
pci0
 47 cardbus0:  on cbb0
 48 pccard0: <16-bit PCCard bus> on cbb0
 49 cbb0: [ITHREAD]
 50 fwohci0:  mem
0xd0009000-0xd00097ff,0xd000-0xd0003fff irq 10 at device 12.0 on
pci0
 51 fwohci0: [FILTER]
 52 fwohci0: OHCI version 1.10 (ROM=1)
 53 fwohci0: No. of Isochronous channels is 4.
 54 fwohci0: EUI64 00:0d:9d:71:9e:43:0c:6a
 55 fwohci0: Phy 1394a available S400, 1 ports.
 56 fwohci0: Link S400, max_rec 2048 bytes.
 57 firewire0:  on fwohci0
 58 fwe0:  on firewire0
 59 if_fwe0: Fake Ethernet address: 02:0d:9d:43:0c:6a
 60 fwe0: Ethernet address: 02:0d:9d:43:0c:6a
 61 fwip0:  on firewire0
 62 fwip0: Firewire address: 00:0d:9d:71:9e:43:0c:6a @ 0xfffe, S400,
maxrec 2048
 63 sbp0:  on firewire0
 64 dcons_crom0:  on firewire0
 65 dcons_crom0: bus_addr 0x12bc000
 66 fwohci0: Initiate bus reset
 67 fwohci0: BUS reset
 68 fwohci0: node_id=0x

Re: portupdate xorg-server

[Neal Hogan]

Well Frank, if/when you read my most recent comment, you'll notice that I've
probably confused ports and packages again. As has been the case for the
past week or so, thanks for taking the time.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Frank Shute  wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 10:14:32AM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Frank Shute  wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 03:21:05PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The last couple of days I've been running portupgrade -av and am to
> the
> > > > point where I'd like to move onto something else, but there is one
> > > package
> > > > that won't upgrade . . . xorg-server. As you can see below, it claims
> > > that
> > > > there is a missing header and there are a fair amount of reported
> errors.
> > > > I'm not the best at deciphering the stuff below.
> > > >
> > > > I've tried make deinstalling/reinstalling and individually
> portupgrading
> > > it
> > > > to no avail.
> > > >
> > > > suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > glxdriswrast.c:39:39: error: GL/internal/dri_interface.h: No such
> file or
> > > > directory
> > >
> > > $ pkg_info -W /usr/local/include/GL/internal/dri_interface.h
> > > /usr/local/include/GL/internal/dri_interface.h was installed by package
> > > xf86driproto-2.0.3
> >
> >
> > I wish to not only that Frank for his patience and subtle hand-holding,
> but
> > also address the rest of the list.
>
> Thanks a lot *takes bow* ;)
>
> >
> > First, concerning the issue Mr. Shute responded to . . .
> > I reinstalled xf86driproto, which installed the dri_interface.h, which
> > allowed me to pkg_add xorg-server. However, it was the older version of
> > xorg-server. So, I ran portupgrade on it and it, again, claims that there
> is
> > no dri_interface.h. According to pkg_version, all xorg and xf86 ports are
> > up-to-date, except xorg-server of which there is a newer version.
>
> What I wouldn't do is mix and match packages with ports. The
> xorg-server package is likely to have been built against older ports.
>
> IMO, it's always best to stick with ports.
>
> So:
>
> # pkg_deinstall -f xorg-server
> # portupgrade -Nv xorg-server
>
> should fix things for you and bring your xorg-server uptodate.
>
> >
> > That said, I was hoping that you can help me understand the portupgrade
> > process b/c it can be a bit frustrating when it runs for a LONG time only
> to
> > have upgrades fail. Please don't take my tone to be anything other than
> one
> > coming from a sense of curiosity. I don't mean to suggest anything about
> the
> > fBSD ports system. Perhaps my experience is the result of my own
> oversight.
> >
> > Just to be clear, here are the steps I took:
> > 1) #portsnap fetch
> > 2) #portsnap extract
> > 3) #portsnap update
> > 4) #pkgdb -u
> > 5) #pkgdb -F
> > 6) #portupgrade -av
>
> That looks OK to me (I don't use portsnap, mind you).
>
> >
> > As I noted in another post, some ports fail to upgrade when using
> > portupgrade -a, no matter how many times it is run. However, they (those
> > that fail), along with their dependencies, do upgrade when portupgraded
> > individually (or de/reinstalled). I thought the purpose of having a ports
> > system, where you install the ports tree and use portupgrade, was to make
> > the install/upgrade easy and rather painless, such that all ports and
> their
> > dependencies are "taken care of."
>
> If you do:
>
> $ pkg_info | wc -l
>
> you'll see that you've got a lot of ports and portupgrade does a
> pretty good job of upgrading the vast majority of them without any
> hand holding.
>
> Keeping application software uptodate on any platform is problematic
> and there are inevitably some bits that you have to troubleshoot.
>
> >
> >  As I write this I am running portupgrade individually, on those ports
> that
> > failed to upgrade with -a option, but have (so far) succeeded in
> upgrading
> > individually. I am simply looking at the output of pkg_version to find
> those
> > that are not up-to-date.
>
> Use portversion (it's quicker):
>
> $ portversion | grep "<"
>
> >
> > I could see if ports failed to upgrade or were ignored due to there being
> no
> > diff between what's installed and that which is in the updated tree.
> >
> > Can someone shed some light on this? Thanks a lot for taking the time.
> >
> > -Neal
>
> Neal, you're doing OK! You just mixed up packages and ports. Whilst
> theoretically possible, in practice it results in problems - certainly
> with portupgrade.
>
> portupgrade is a good tool and if you stick to it with just ports you
> wont go far wrong.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
>
>  Frank
>
>
>  Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html
>
>


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Re: portupdate xorg-server

[Neal Hogan]

In light of Adam's comment and thinking about the comment he's responding
to, I realize that I may have been rather obnoxious. I appreciate Adam
setting that aside to give me and the list some of his time. I'm rather new
to fBSD (obvious) and I've got my parent's machine on it, which is hundreds
of miles away and they have put in requests that led me to upgrade their
system, including ports (and when X gets messed up from a remote position,
it can be frustrating). So, I apologize if my comments came across in such a
way that annoyed you. Not being a dev (or anywhere close), I have little
room to act that way.

But, I wonder what the most efficient way is to update ports. I appreciate
Adam's point about the fact that portupgrade (and portmanager and
portmaster) are ports themselves and are going to not be as reliable as what
is in base. However, the fBSD documentation on updating ports (i.e., the
handbook) only suggests the above three as ways to update ports. Is there a
way to update ports from a base app? Given that a basic setup will have
quite a few ports (hundreds), I was wondering if there was another way to
update all (including their dependencies), rather that a one-by-one *make
update* or *portupgrade*.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Adam Vandemore wrote:

> Neal Hogan wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Frank Shute  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 03:21:05PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The last couple of days I've been running portupgrade -av and am to the
>>>> point where I'd like to move onto something else, but there is one
>>>>
>>>>
>>> package
>>>
>>>
>>>> that won't upgrade . . . xorg-server. As you can see below, it claims
>>>>
>>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>
>>>> there is a missing header and there are a fair amount of reported
>>>> errors.
>>>> I'm not the best at deciphering the stuff below.
>>>>
>>>> I've tried make deinstalling/reinstalling and individually portupgrading
>>>>
>>>>
>>> it
>>>
>>>
>>>> to no avail.
>>>>
>>>> suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> glxdriswrast.c:39:39: error: GL/internal/dri_interface.h: No such file
>>>> or
>>>> directory
>>>>
>>>>
>>> $ pkg_info -W /usr/local/include/GL/internal/dri_interface.h
>>> /usr/local/include/GL/internal/dri_interface.h was installed by package
>>> xf86driproto-2.0.3
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> I wish to not only that Frank for his patience and subtle hand-holding,
>> but
>> also address the rest of the list.
>>
>> First, concerning the issue Mr. Shute responded to . . .
>> I reinstalled xf86driproto, which installed the dri_interface.h, which
>> allowed me to pkg_add xorg-server. However, it was the older version of
>> xorg-server. So, I ran portupgrade on it and it, again, claims that there
>> is
>> no dri_interface.h. According to pkg_version, all xorg and xf86 ports are
>> up-to-date, except xorg-server of which there is a newer version.
>>
>> That said, I was hoping that you can help me understand the portupgrade
>> process b/c it can be a bit frustrating when it runs for a LONG time only
>> to
>> have upgrades fail. Please don't take my tone to be anything other than
>> one
>> coming from a sense of curiosity. I don't mean to suggest anything about
>> the
>> fBSD ports system. Perhaps my experience is the result of my own
>> oversight.
>>
>> Just to be clear, here are the steps I took:
>> 1) #portsnap fetch
>> 2) #portsnap extract
>> 3) #portsnap update
>> 4) #pkgdb -u
>> 5) #pkgdb -F
>> 6) #portupgrade -av
>>
>> As I noted in another post, some ports fail to upgrade when using
>> portupgrade -a, no matter how many times it is run. However, they (those
>> that fail), along with their dependencies, do upgrade when portupgraded
>> individually (or de/reinstalled). I thought the purpose of having a ports
>> system, where you install the ports tree and use portupgrade, was to make
>> the install/upgrade easy and rather painless, such that all ports and
>> their
>> dependencies are "taken care of."
>>
>>  As I write this I am running portupgrade individually, on those ports
>> that
>> failed to upgrade with -a option, but have (so far) succeeded in upgrading
>> individually. I am simply looking at the output of pkg_version to find
>&

Re: portupdate xorg-server

[Neal Hogan]

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Frank Shute  wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 03:21:05PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote:
> >
> > The last couple of days I've been running portupgrade -av and am to the
> > point where I'd like to move onto something else, but there is one
> package
> > that won't upgrade . . . xorg-server. As you can see below, it claims
> that
> > there is a missing header and there are a fair amount of reported errors.
> > I'm not the best at deciphering the stuff below.
> >
> > I've tried make deinstalling/reinstalling and individually portupgrading
> it
> > to no avail.
> >
> > suggestions?
> >
> > glxdriswrast.c:39:39: error: GL/internal/dri_interface.h: No such file or
> > directory
>
> $ pkg_info -W /usr/local/include/GL/internal/dri_interface.h
> /usr/local/include/GL/internal/dri_interface.h was installed by package
> xf86driproto-2.0.3


I wish to not only that Frank for his patience and subtle hand-holding, but
also address the rest of the list.

First, concerning the issue Mr. Shute responded to . . .
I reinstalled xf86driproto, which installed the dri_interface.h, which
allowed me to pkg_add xorg-server. However, it was the older version of
xorg-server. So, I ran portupgrade on it and it, again, claims that there is
no dri_interface.h. According to pkg_version, all xorg and xf86 ports are
up-to-date, except xorg-server of which there is a newer version.

That said, I was hoping that you can help me understand the portupgrade
process b/c it can be a bit frustrating when it runs for a LONG time only to
have upgrades fail. Please don't take my tone to be anything other than one
coming from a sense of curiosity. I don't mean to suggest anything about the
fBSD ports system. Perhaps my experience is the result of my own oversight.

Just to be clear, here are the steps I took:
1) #portsnap fetch
2) #portsnap extract
3) #portsnap update
4) #pkgdb -u
5) #pkgdb -F
6) #portupgrade -av

As I noted in another post, some ports fail to upgrade when using
portupgrade -a, no matter how many times it is run. However, they (those
that fail), along with their dependencies, do upgrade when portupgraded
individually (or de/reinstalled). I thought the purpose of having a ports
system, where you install the ports tree and use portupgrade, was to make
the install/upgrade easy and rather painless, such that all ports and their
dependencies are "taken care of."

 As I write this I am running portupgrade individually, on those ports that
failed to upgrade with -a option, but have (so far) succeeded in upgrading
individually. I am simply looking at the output of pkg_version to find those
that are not up-to-date.

I could see if ports failed to upgrade or were ignored due to there being no
diff between what's installed and that which is in the updated tree.

Can someone shed some light on this? Thanks a lot for taking the time.

-Neal


>
> HTH.
>
> 
>
> Regards,
>
> --
>
>  Frank
>
>
>  Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html
>
>


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Re: issues in XFCE 4.6 (looking for a working WM)

[Neal Hogan]

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Keith Seyffarth  wrote:

>
> At this point, I guess I'm looking for recommendations on a window
> manager.


Try a smaller one, like evilwm. It's (pretty much) all command line. For
example, you would open up a term and launch firefox from there (# firefox).
Once you get the hang of its keybindings, which are vi-like, it's fun and
easy. It's also compatible with aterm, which will give you transparent
terminals (if that's something that interests you).

Also, I highly recommend that you check out http://xwinman.org. I found it
to be fun and informative to peruse the list of wm's there.


>
>
> Here are the major problems with XFCE4 4.6:
>
> * < 20% probability of starting X without crashing and locking
>  computer
> * 20-25 minutes to start X (was about 1 under XFCE4 4.4)
> * 0% chance of shutting down successfully if X is running
> * can't exit X once started (switches monitor to power save mode and
>  hangs)
> * maximum run time of 8 hours (average around 5 hours)
> * won't save settings
>
> and a couple minor ones:
>
> * XFCE menu doesn't work
> * missing icons, even after theme is changed from rodent to tango
>
> None of these were issues under XFCE4 4.4, but I'm guessing there's
> not a good way to get 4.4 back...
>
> What other window managers do people use, or what would you recommend
> and why?
>
> Thanks.
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portupdate xorg-server

[Neal Hogan]

The last couple of days I've been running portupgrade -av and am to the
point where I'd like to move onto something else, but there is one package
that won't upgrade . . . xorg-server. As you can see below, it claims that
there is a missing header and there are a fair amount of reported errors.
I'm not the best at deciphering the stuff below.

I've tried make deinstalling/reinstalling and individually portupgrading it
to no avail.

suggestions?

glxdriswrast.c:39:39: error: GL/internal/dri_interface.h: No such file or
directory
In file included from glxdriswrast.c:49:
glxdricommon.h:32: error: expected ':', ',', ';', '}' or '__attribute__'
before '*' token
glxdricommon.h:36: warning: type defaults to 'int' in declaration of
'__DRIcoreExtension'
glxdricommon.h:36: error: expected ';', ',' or ')' before '*' token
glxdricommon.h:38: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__'
before 'systemTimeExtension'
glxdriswrast.c:64: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before
'__DRIscreen'
glxdriswrast.c:75: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before
'__DRIcontext'
glxdriswrast.c:80: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before
'__DRIdrawable'
glxdriswrast.c: In function '__glXDRIdrawableDestroy':
glxdriswrast.c:92: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__'
before '*' token
glxdriswrast.c:92: error: 'core' undeclared (first use in this function)
glxdriswrast.c:92: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
glxdriswrast.c:92: error: for each function it appears in.)
glxdriswrast.c:92: error: '__GLXDRIdrawable' has no member named 'screen'
glxdriswrast.c:94: error: '__GLXDRIdrawable' has no member named
'driDrawable'
glxdriswrast.c:96: error: '__GLXDRIdrawable' has no member named 'gc'
glxdriswrast.c:97: error: '__GLXDRIdrawable' has no member named 'cleargc'
glxdriswrast.c:98: error: '__GLXDRIdrawable' has no member named 'swapgc'
glxdriswrast.c: In function '__glXDRIdrawableSwapBuffers':
glxdriswrast.c:116: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__'
before '*' token
glxdriswrast.c:116: error: 'core' undeclared (first use in this function)
glxdriswrast.c:116: error: '__GLXDRIdrawable' has no member named 'screen'
glxdriswrast.c:118: error: '__GLXDRIdrawable' has no member named
'driDrawable'
glxdriswrast.c: In function '__glXDRIdrawableCopySubBuffer':
glxdriswrast.c:128: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__'
before '*' token
glxdriswrast.c:128: error: 'copySubBuffer' undeclared (first use in this
function)
glxdriswrast.c:129: error: '__GLXDRIdrawable' has no member named 'screen'
glxdriswrast.c:132: error: '__GLXDRIdrawable' has no member named
'driDrawable'
glxdriswrast.c: In function '__glXDRIcontextDestroy':
glxdriswrast.c:141: error: '__GLXDRIscreen' has no member named 'core'
glxdriswrast.c:141: error: '__GLXDRIcontext' has no member named
'driContext'
glxdriswrast.c: In function '__glXDRIcontextMakeCurrent':
glxdriswrast.c:154: error: '__GLXDRIscreen' has no member named 'core'
glxdriswrast.c:154: error: '__GLXDRIcontext' has no member named
'driContext'
glxdriswrast.c:155: error: '__GLXDRIdrawable' has no member named
'driDrawable'
glxdriswrast.c:156: error: '__GLXDRIdrawable' has no member named
'driDrawable'
glxdriswrast.c: In function '__glXDRIcontextLoseCurrent':
glxdriswrast.c:165: error: '__GLXDRIscreen' has no member named 'core'
glxdriswrast.c:165: error: '__GLXDRIcontext' has no member named
'driContext'
glxdriswrast.c: In function '__glXDRIcontextCopy':
glxdriswrast.c:176: error: '__GLXDRIscreen' has no member named 'core'
glxdriswrast.c:176: error: '__GLXDRIcontext' has no member named
'driContext'
glxdriswrast.c:177: error: '__GLXDRIcontext' has no member named
'driContext'
glxdriswrast.c: In function '__glXDRIcontextForceCurrent':
glxdriswrast.c:188: error: '__GLXDRIscreen' has no member named 'core'
glxdriswrast.c:188: error: '__GLXDRIcontext' has no member named
'driContext'
glxdriswrast.c:189: error: '__GLXDRIdrawable' has no member named
'driDrawable'
glxdriswrast.c:190: error: '__GLXDRIdrawable' has no member named
'driDrawable'
glxdriswrast.c: In function '__glXDRIscreenDestroy':
glxdriswrast.c:253: error: '__GLXDRIscreen' has no member named 'core'
glxdriswrast.c:253: error: '__GLXDRIscreen' has no member named 'driScreen'
glxdriswrast.c:255: error: '__GLXDRIscreen' has no member named 'driver'
glxdriswrast.c: In function '__glXDRIscreenCreateContext':
glxdriswrast.c:270: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__'
before '*' token
glxdriswrast.c:270: error: 'core' undeclared (first use in this function)
glxdriswrast.c:270: error: '__GLXDRIscreen' has no member named 'core'
glxdriswrast.c:271: error: '__DRIcontext' undeclared (first use in this
function)
glxdriswrast.c:271: error: 'driShare' undeclared (first use in this
function)
glxdriswrast.c:275: error: '__GLXDRIcontext' has no member named
'driContext'
glxdriswrast.c:291: error: '__GLXDRIcontext' has no member named
'driContext'
glxdriswrast.c:2

Re: Portsnap vs CSup

[Neal Hogan]

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Kalle Møller <
freebsd-questi...@k-moeller.dk> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I've been digging around, but I can't find a clear answer, which of those
> two is the "correct" to use. Hence I don't use one now, so if I'm going to
> learn one, I would prefer it to be the right one.
>
> --
> /km
>

I don't think its a matter of right/wrong or good/bad. I recently used
portsnap and it did a fine (dare I say 'snappy') job.

Also, there's not much to learn with regard to portsnap. I can't talk about
CVSup, although it doesn't look too complicated. So, if you find in
unappealing, you could easily try CVSup without have wasted much time with
portsnap.

-Neal

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portupgrade question (failed updates)

[Neal Hogan]

What do we do about packages that "fail" to update?

This is my first time running portupgrade, and am unsure what to think about
the ones where there is a "configure error" or "uknown build error" or
"install error"

FYI -- I followed the following steps:
1) upgraded from 7.0-RELEASE to 7.1-RELEASE
2) updated /usr/ports: #portsnap fetch/extract/update
3) udated db: #pkgdb -u
4) fixed db: #pkgdb -F
5) updated installed packages: #portupgrade -av

At the end of the "week-long" process I have 6 failed attempts:
linux-atk-1.9.1 (install error)
linux-pango-1.10.2 (install error)
intltool-0.37.1 (unknown build error)
xkeyboard-config-1.3 (configure error)
shared-mime-info-0.51 (configure error)
policykit-0.9_1 (configure error)

My system seems to run just fine. So, should I be worried?

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Re: where is xorg located?

[Neal Hogan]

The X system is an installation set . . . not a 3rd party package.

Check installation documentation.

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Stefan Miklosovic <
miklosovic.free...@gmail.com> wrote:

> hi
>
> hi all,
>
> i try to install xorg as a package like:
>
> # pkg_add -r xorg
>
> it takes a while, but only an error appears to me, it says that
>
> "Error: FTP Unable to get
>
> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7-stable/Latest/xorg.tbz
> :
> File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access)
>
> pkg_add: unable to fetch '
>
> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7-stable/Latest/xorg.tbz
> '
> by URL
>
> internet connection works, of course, I ftp to ftp server and there really
> isnt xorg package at all.
>
> where i should install xorg package from?
>
> thx
> stewe
> 
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> 2009 r...@dexter:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DEXTER i386
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gnash and ff3

[Neal Hogan]

Hi,

I have 7-1 RELEASE running with up-to-date packages, including firefox3. I
also have gnash-0.8.3 and mozplugger-1.10.2.

I'm confused as to why gnash and mozplugger are not automatically enabled
and/or used by ff3. That is, ff claims not to have any plug-ins. I have the
same set-up on an oBSD machine and didn't have to do anything special to get
them working together (that I can remember). Can someone help jog my memory
or point me to something useful? Thanks.

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Re: / partition full

[Neal Hogan]

just to clarify (it's early)

man du(1)


On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:33 AM, Warren Liddell  wrote:

> I've looked as much as i can, but with only 5meg free on / .. its making
> things in terms of building world & kernel a lil difficult .. what's the
> command so i can see exactly what dir on / is using up all the space so i
> can free it up ?
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Re: reclaiming /var capacity?

[Neal Hogan]

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:30 PM, j. <2fo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Where did my capacity go and how can I get it back?
>
> deathray# du -sh /var
>  70M/var
>
>
> deathray# df -h /var
> FilesystemSizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
> /dev/da0d 248M214M 15M94%/var
>
>
> Thanks,


Are your log (/var/log) being flushed or overly produced?

>
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Re: /var grows, apache open file, which file?

[Neal Hogan]

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Gelsema, P (Patrick) - FreeBSD <
free...@superhero.nl> wrote:

> On Fri, February 6, 2009 20:05, Dan Nelson wrote:
> > In the last episode (Feb 06), Gelsema, P (Patrick) - FreeBSD said:
> >> I noticed that my var slice is getting eaten by apache. The amount of
> >> free
> >> space is getting less and less per day.  So I started to investigate.
> >>
> >> I did the following;
> >>
> >> # fstat -u www | grep var | more
> >> www  httpd  970429 /var  74653 -rw---  176907484  w
> >> www  httpd  97042   12 /var  71575 -rw---  1345623  w
> >> www  httpd  97042   13 /var  24693 -rw-r--r--   0  w
> >> www  httpd  97042   15 /var  70919 -rw---   0  w
> >> www  httpd  97042   16 /var  70919 -rw---   0  w
> >> www  httpd  260599 /var  74653 -rw---  176907484  w
> >> www  httpd  26059   12 /var  71575 -rw---  1345623  w
> >>
> >> So I have an Inumber, lets search for that.
> >>
> >> # find / -inum 74653
> >> /usr/ports/net/pptpclient/files
> >>
> >> This confuses me! That is on a different slice.
> >
> > Then that is not the inode you are looking for.  Use "find -x /var ..."
> to
>
> doesnt return anything.
>
> > limit the search to just the /var mountpoint.  Your problem is probably
> > due
> > to a bad logfile rotator that isn't signalling apache to close&reopen the
> > logs, so it keeps logging to a file you have deleted.  If you're using
> > newsyslog, make sure you have listed your apache pidfile on the line
> > correspoinding to any apache logs so it knows which process to signal.
> > See
> > the newsyslog.conf manpage for more details.
>
> Added /var/run/httpd.pid to newsyslog.conf and restarted apache.
>
> I am also using cronolog.
>
> from httpd.conf:
> CustomLog "| /usr/local/sbin/cronolog
> /var/log/apache2/%Y/%m/%d/access.log" combined
>
> Thanks Patrick
>
> >
> > --
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> >
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Just a thought . . . perhaps your situation is similar.

I had an issue recently, where /var was maxing out quickly, even after empty
all of the logs. It ended up that I was logging too much prior to log
rotation. I had recently set-up an ftp server and the rsync of the binary I
was mirrorring slammed /var.

So, I limited what my firewall logged. Instead of *log all* I would just
*log*.


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