Re: Any package for surveys?
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:08:06 + From: elbbit elb...@gmail.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, debian-u...@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Any package for surveys? On 27/01/11 17:04, Bill Moran ... Thank you for taking the time to reply Bill. I am glad you challenge me. Someone needs to! In response to elbbit elb...@gmail.com: On 27/01/11 14:41, Andrew McGlashan wrote: Hi Simon, Thanks for taking the time to reply Andrew. elbbit wrote: I held off writing back because I have just launched a new website at: http://www.tibble.net/ Wait! Don't go! This isn't spam! Please! Just listen! Yes, it looks very spammy to me I sent similar emails to other lists and was promptly scalded for being so uncouth. I thank those who encourage me to stop spamming for teaching me humility. However, I think the importance of global self awareness is too important to worry about whether or not we like to know about the problems. This is the equivalent of a hit-and-run, in my opinion. I am here to stay, I am not going anywhere and the world will become self-aware in my presence. It is why I have been born. You are a delusion dipshit, and a bad liar. If you feel so righteous about your cause, why did you hijack another thread without changing the subject? With all the respect that is due to you, and all others who frequent these mailing lists, I feel the topic of global voting is too important to worry about whether or not my particular message fits into a defined category. And you think it's OK to *STEAL* other people's resources to get your message out, apparently. The people who run the mailing lists _pay_ for that equipment and network connectivity, and provide it to others for a specific use. You _are_ a thief, and as already stated a bad liar, and a delusional dipshit. Doing what you did is *expressly* against The AUP of your hosting services provider, Webfusion, Ltd. http://www.123-reg.co.uk/terms/aup.shtml That said, you've _made_ your rules, and now *you8 get to live by them. Since _you_ believe it is OK to inflict your 'important' message on those you do not know, and who have _not_ consented to hear it, you =cannot= object if the 'world' decides to do the same to _you_ and your mailbox. Russian brides, pharmaceutcals, watches, lottery winnings, money sharing, and whatever else people decide is 'too important' for _you_ not to be informed of. Annoying people who *run* mail-servers is a _really_ stupid thing to do. But, then, you're a spammer. And have just re-proven the validity of Rule #3, and Kruegers Corrolary thereunto, of the Rules of Spam. see: http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/rulesofspam.shtmld So, I guess, it's not _all_ that surprising. email: si...@tibble.net mailto:si...@tibble.net Domain name: TIBBLE.NET Registrant: Simon Tibble 74 Park Street Penrhiwceiber Mountain Ash, Rhondda Cynon Taff CF45 3YL GB 07767650385Fax: 07767650385 Registration Service Provider: servi...@123-reg.co.uk 08712309525 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Any package for surveys?
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 06:28:48 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com articulated: But, then, you're a spammer. And have just re-proven the validity of Rule #3, and Kruegers Corrolary thereunto, of the Rules of Spam. see: http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/rulesofspam.shtmld I would, except all I keep getting are: 404 - Not Found error messages. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Any package for surveys?
On 1/28/11 7:42 AM, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 06:28:48 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomibon...@mail.r-bonomi.com articulated: But, then, you're a spammer. And have just re-proven the validity of Rule #3, and Kruegers Corrolary thereunto, of the Rules of Spam. see:http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/rulesofspam.shtmld I would, except all I keep getting are: 404 - Not Found error messages. Remove the spurious d from the end of the URL. -- --Jon Radel j...@radel.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Any package for surveys?
On 28/01/11 12:28, Robert Bonomi wrote: Thank you for taking the time to reply Robert. I value your opinion. elbbit wrote: I held off writing back because I have just launched a new website at: http://www.tibble.net/ Wait! Don't go! This isn't spam! Please! Just listen! Yes, it looks very spammy to me I sent similar emails to other lists and was promptly scalded for being so uncouth. I thank those who encourage me to stop spamming for teaching me humility. However, I think the importance of global self awareness is too important to worry about whether or not we like to know about the problems. This is the equivalent of a hit-and-run, in my opinion. I am here to stay, I am not going anywhere and the world will become self-aware in my presence. It is why I have been born. You are a delusion dipshit, and a bad liar. If you feel so righteous about your cause, why did you hijack another thread without changing the subject? With all the respect that is due to you, and all others who frequent these mailing lists, I feel the topic of global voting is too important to worry about whether or not my particular message fits into a defined category. And you think it's OK to *STEAL* other people's resources to get your message out, apparently. Hmm. Stealing. Taking without consent. Consent from whom? The network operator? According to the Debian website: There are many world-open mailing lists, meaning anyone can read everything that is posted, and participate in the discussions. Everyone is encouraged... - Under the heading Introduction: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ Hmm. I assumed the service was being offered to me. If I am wrong, I would like more people to confirm if Robert is right. The people who run the mailing lists _pay_ for that equipment and Pay... with money... which is a made up idea... network connectivity, and provide it to others for a specific use. ...in this case, communication... which we are doing :-) You _are_ a thief, and as already stated a bad liar, and a delusional dipshit. My opinion is that according to the instruction provided to it, your computer did all it can to send me your information. I did not steal it. You gave it to me. You offered, you know - where you make a motion towards me? Doing what you did is *expressly* against The AUP of your hosting services provider, Webfusion, Ltd. http://www.123-reg.co.uk/terms/aup.shtml Yes. Words. Somehow, it is commonly accepted that just because something is written in words that it is right. My emails challenge that. That said, you've _made_ your rules, and now *you8 get to live by them. I do not understand this statement. Please clarify. Since _you_ believe it is OK to inflict your 'important' message on those you do not know, and who have _not_ consented to hear it, you =cannot= object if the 'world' decides to do the same to _you_ and your mailbox. I agree, with everything that is me. But does this also not apply to you, also? I think you have made an error by joining a world-open mailing list if you are unable to tolerate other people's words. Russian brides, pharmaceutcals, watches, lottery winnings, money sharing, and whatever else people decide is 'too important' for _you_ not to be informed of. You see, the people who raise awareness of their product or service are after one thing - to increase the number which is displayed on their ATM machine. I do not want money. I do not promote a service or product. In fact, I promote an IDEA - the notion that we can abandon money altogether. Annoying people who *run* mail-servers is a _really_ stupid thing to do. Unfortunately, any one who is part of the growing movement realises that ridicule, torture or even certain death are requirements of changing the world. John F. Kennedy, one of your own president's, paid dearly simply for saying some words. I say some words, and you too, want to kill me. I forgive you for being so misguided. But, then, you're a spammer. Try not to think of me as someone different. I am someone the same. I have two arms, two legs, two eyes, I breathe air, I eat food, I use the toilet, I have sex - I do all the normal thing you do too. You and I are not as different you think. The only major difference between us all is how we spend our time. Hence, I do not think of people in groups or stereotypes. I see that some people choose to learn about the world around them, and others do not. Some people take the word of others to be the absolute truth - because they trust them. Who do you trust? You certainly don't trust me - and with good cause. The idea I suggest (abandoning money) is too big for your brain to comprehend... not because you lack the processing ability to deal with it, but because you refuse to think about a world without money. Try it. You and I are probably never going to meet in all this random stuff which is going on in the world.
Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)
On 28/01/11 12:28, Robert Bonomi wrote: see: http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/rulesofspam.shtmld I removed the d. Not too sure about the flying kids, looks a bit porno-related to me. Hmm, I think it's biased too. This is just my opinion though. Further to my email earlier, I present to you my logical analysis of your link, analysed by item: Rule #0: Spam is theft. Mail servers are offering a service. If you don't want to receive spam stop offering the service. Angel's Commentary: Spammers believe it's okay to steal a little bit from each person on the Internet at once. Stealing... taking without consent... hey, you offered to deliver some mail for me. Rule #1: Spammers lie. Assumptive. Just like when you lose something you assume it may be gone for ever, but wait, no, there it is, you left it in your pocket. Assumptions can be wrong as well as right. Russel's Admonition: Always assume that there is a measurable chance that the entity you are dealing with is a spammer. Sounds like an instruction. Maybe, it would be better as a guideline: There is a chance a person is attempting to deliver mail, which the sender may want people to read. The words contained in the message are series of numbers and letters which may communicate an idea which you do not agree with. Lexical Contradiction: Spammers will redefine any term in order to disguise their abuse of Internet resources. It is true that some people lie and cheat and say whatever is neccessary for the own personal gain. Most of these lies are to do with a personal motivation to make money. Money, which is a made up idea. Sharp's Corollary: Spammers attempt to re-define spamming as that which they do not do. Hmm. As I continue my analysis it seems that you are defining a spammer as any one who has an idea which you do not like. Just because an idea is not to your liking does not mean that it does not exist. Finnell's Corollary: Spammers define remove as validate. Probably true. Did you ask them? The have phones and watch YouTube, just like you do. Rule #2: If a spammer seems to be telling the truth, see Rule #1. I don't understand this one. You think that because I read it once I did not absorb the information on your web page into my brain and compute for myself an assessment of it's content? Wow. Crissman's Corollary: A spammer, when caught, blames his victims. Well, I'm sure that if no blood is being spilt that forgiveness is possible. Maybe you could forgive spammers for being so misguided? Moore's Corollary: Spammers' lies are seldom questioned by mainstream media. Agreed. This is probably because both spammers (as you define them) and the mainstream media are the same goal - MONEY. So, you see, why don't we just stop using money and maybe some of these problems might go away? Rule #3: Spammers are stupid. Assumptive. I think anyone who is able to reverse-engineer a mail filter is educated enough to know enough about the world in order to abuse it. If we stop using money, people the make the mail filters and those who make the spam could use their skill differently. Krueger's Corollary: Spammer lies are really stupid. Lies always are. All lies are exposed eventually. Pickett's Commentary: Spammer lies are boring. I disagree. Some stories are fascinating; they draw you in with a lure and promise of something great - even if it is just a story. Like the story of money. Of yeah, we made that up didn't we. Russell's Corollary: Never underestimate the stupidity of spammers. If it were my web page (which I don't think it would, but hey, work with me here), instead of that I would probably write: Never assume people spend their time in the same way you do, and accept that people will choose to do different things with their time. Spinosa's Corollary: Spammers assume everybody is more stupid than themselves. Assumptive. I don't assume, I *KNOW* everybody spends their time differently. Spammer's Standard of Discourse: Threats and intimidation trump facts and logic. Facts and logics: an excellent argument. Rule #4: The natural course of a spamming business is to go bankrupt. Bankrupt... to end a process or time with no money... oh dear. Not money again. Hmm. Rules-Keeper Shaffer's Refrain: Spammers routinely prove the Rules of Spam are valid. Humans never cease to amaze me at how wonderful our collective effort has become. Simon Tibble UK How are you going to spend your time from now on? With the kindest of regards from, Simon Tibble 74 Park Street Mountain Ash CF45 3YL GREAT BRITAIN EUROPE THE PLANET EARTH THE MILKY WAY THE UNIVERSE ^^^ Don't you see we share this planet. Let's work together to make it a better place :-) email: si...@tibble.net mailto:si...@tibble.net Domain name: TIBBLE.NET Registrant: Simon Tibble 74 Park Street Penrhiwceiber Mountain Ash, Rhondda Cynon Taff CF45 3YL GB 07767650385Fax: 07767650385 Registration Service
RE: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)
snip OMFG... how much longer are we going to keep commenting on this worthless thread? And now the debian list too? That's great... Dear Hijacker: You are the superior one, all others are inferior. You are right, all others are wrong. Please go away. Perhaps preach your wisdom to a more receptive audience, such as your stuffed toy animals. You know, the ones you keep in your Mommies basement where you live? Thank you for enlightening all of us with your superior wisdom. Have a great life. G font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Any package for surveys?
From elb...@gmail.com Fri Jan 28 08:33:17 2011 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:24:05 + From: elbbit elb...@gmail.com To: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com CC: debian-u...@lists.debian.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any package for surveys? On 28/01/11 12:28, Robert Bonomi wrote: Thank you for taking the time to reply Robert. I value your opinion. elbbit wrote: I held off writing back because I have just launched a new website at: http://www.tibble.net/ Wait! Don't go! This isn't spam! Please! Just listen! Yes, it looks very spammy to me I sent similar emails to other lists and was promptly scalded for being so uncouth. I thank those who encourage me to stop spamming for teaching me humility. However, I think the importance of global self awareness is too important to worry about whether or not we like to know about the problems. This is the equivalent of a hit-and-run, in my opinion. I am here to stay, I am not going anywhere and the world will become self-aware in my presence. It is why I have been born. You are a delusion dipshit, and a bad liar. If you feel so righteous about your cause, why did you hijack another thread without changing the subject? With all the respect that is due to you, and all others who frequent these mailing lists, I feel the topic of global voting is too important to worry about whether or not my particular message fits into a defined category. And you think it's OK to *STEAL* other people's resources to get your message out, apparently. Hmm. Stealing. Taking without consent. Consent from whom? The network operator? According to the Debian website: There are many world-open mailing lists, meaning anyone can read everything that is posted, and participate in the discussions. Everyone is encouraged... - Under the heading Introduction: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ Yes, *STEALING*. When you 'hijack' the resources the mailing-list owner/ operator has provided _for_a_specific_purpose_, for somethin *unrelated* to that purpose, you _are_ stealing. Hmm. I assumed the service was being offered to me. If I am wrong, I would like more people to confirm if Robert is right. The people who run the mailing lists _pay_ for that equipment and Pay... with money... which is a made up idea... network connectivity, and provide it to others for a specific use. ...in this case, communication... which we are doing :-) You _are_ a thief, and as already stated a bad liar, and a delusional dipshit. My opinion is that according to the instruction provided to it, your computer did all it can to send me your information. I did not steal it. You gave it to me. You offered, you know - where you make a motion towards me? Doing what you did is *expressly* against The AUP of your hosting services provider, Webfusion, Ltd. http://www.123-reg.co.uk/terms/aup.shtml Yes. Words. Somehow, it is commonly accepted that just because something is written in words that it is right. My emails challenge that. You _agreed_, _contractually_, to abide by those 'words' when you signed up for services with that provider. They 'took your word' that you were telling the truth. Do not be surprised if you find that they choose not to do any further business with you when they find out you -lied- to them. That said, you've _made_ your rules, and now *you8 get to live by them. I do not understand this statement. Please clarify. Since _you_ believe it is OK to inflict your 'important' message on those you do not know, and who have _not_ consented to hear it, you =cannot= object if the 'world' decides to do the same to _you_ and your mailbox. I agree, with everything that is me. But does this also not apply to you, also? I think you have made an error by joining a world-open mailing list if you are unable to tolerate other people's words. Russian brides, pharmaceutcals, watches, lottery winnings, money sharing, and whatever else people decide is 'too important' for _you_ not to be informed of. You see, the people who raise awareness of their product or service are after one thing - to increase the number which is displayed on their ATM machine. I do not want money. I do not promote a service or product. In fact, I promote an IDEA - the notion that we can abandon money altogether. So What? If you believe you can decide what is 'appropriate' for for _my_ mail box, others can do the same for *yours*. Annoying people who *run* mail-servers is a _really_ stupid thing to do. Unfortunately, any one who is part of the growing movement realises that ridicule, torture or even certain death are requirements of changing the world. John F. Kennedy, one of your own president's, paid dearly simply for saying some words. I say some words, and you too, want to kill me. I forgive you for being so misguided
Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)
On 28/01/11 16:15, Robert Bonomi wrote: From elb...@gmail.com Fri Jan 28 08:59:21 2011 On 28/01/11 12:28, Robert Bonomi wrote: see: http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/rulesofspam.shtmld Rule #0: Spam is theft. Mail servers are offering a service. If you don't want to receive spam stop offering the service. Angel's Commentary: Spammers believe it's okay to steal a little bit from each person on the Internet at once. Stealing... taking without consent... hey, you offered to deliver some mail for me. LIE. What? Now you are saying that you didn't offer to send the mail for me? You just received THIS email so you are STILL offering the service of reception to me. The mailing list operator offered to deliver mail for a SPECIFIC PURPOSE. You _disregarded_ that purpose. Please identify the purpose if it is not discussion. We are discussing spam, are we not? Rule #1: Spammers lie. Assumptive. Just like when you lose something you assume it may be gone for ever, but wait, no, there it is, you left it in your pocket. Assumptions can be wrong as well as right. Your are a spammer. Assumptive. I could label you back, but I am able to control my emotions. you lied. see above. Q.E.D. I'm not going to repeat something which has already been done. This is the equivalent of making a journey from my office to the mail box twice just to deliver a single envelope. The rest of your 'analysis' simply proves Shar's Commentary. Who is Shar? And what did they comment? A reference please. I tried a Google search for this, but it is too vague. Enjoy the fruits of your labors. I don't work like you do. I live in a world without money, without rules and restrictions, without deadlines and targets. I don't labour anything - I leisure everything. Simon -- elbbit ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:22 AM, elbbit elb...@gmail.com wrote: I don't work like you do. I live in a world without money, without rules and restrictions, without deadlines and targets. I don't labour anything - I leisure everything. So Simon, you must be the poor man I pass on the street every day and give Quarters to for coffee? Here is a label for you to chew on YOU ARE A SPAMMER! *THIS* list is for FreeBSD-related questions not for you to shove your inflammatory words down our throats. You've made your point, now please go away. No one *ON THIS LIST* wants to read your words, we no longer care about your opinion or what it means because you clearly don't care about our opinion for you to change the subject and get on a topic for this list. Speaking of topics ... just because a mailing list is open for you to send mail to DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN SPAM IT WITH NONSENSE! freebsd-questions has a purpose and it would be wise for you to adhere to it, there are also rules of etiquette which you should also adhere to. Each piece of mail you have sent has been reported to your ISP/Carrier. Each piece of mail you continue to send will lodge you yet another complaint. I will continue to do this till I piss your ISP/Carrier off SO bad, they are left with two choices nullroute me or deal with you since I have many thousands of domains at my disposal, I think, from a business perspective, they will choose to cut you off, cold-turkey then deal w/ the technical resources required to continue to block me, also if enough other people from both the freebsd and debian lists complain, your ISP/Carrier may even choose to seek legal action from you. You *are* in violation of your agreement, a legally binding contract in your country of origin and the ISP/Carrier. Simon, do not reply, we no longer wish to here your dribble and we so desperately wish for you to crawl back into the hole whence you came. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)
Hi, OMFG... how much longer are we going to keep commenting on this worthless thread? And now the debian list too? That's great... Agreed :-) Debian list dropped as cross posting bad. Individual cc's dropped as one is the troll, other don't need copies. For those new to this FreeBSD list who may not know yet, there are generaly 3 ways of rescuing FreeBSD lists: - People reply to troll: Please move to c...@freebsd.org - Or post to list: Please don't feed the troll (Then others cease replying). - /Or report to postmas...@freebsd.org, asking that the troll be added to black list, as postings not relevant to FreeBSD list. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text; Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not base 64. Reply below text sections not at top, to avoid breaking cumulative context. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)
On 28/01/11 16:07, Gary Gatten wrote: snip Oh dear. OMFG... how much longer are we going to keep commenting on this worthless thread? Hmm. Worthless... without value... an entity lacking substance. Hmm. This thread was started by me. Now let me see, yes, I still have my arms and legs. Which must logically mean I have substance. And I have spent my time since birth learning about the world around me and embracing it. From all the information I have learnt about life and other people, I believe I have substance. And, as a result, my creations (my emails) are born from that substance. I forgive you. And now the debian list too? That's great... I think you underestimate the size of the problem I am highlighting: forgetting money. Dear Hijacker: You are the superior one, all others are inferior. You are incorrect. I am the same as everyone else, just as you are. You are right, all others are wrong. Try not to see things as a case of right or wrong. Instead, try to realise the truth: people spend their time differently. Your brain is only as reliable as the information you have fed into it, and based on that information, you make decisions. Please go away. You may succeed in silencing me as an individual, but you will not silence the growing Zeitgeist movement which is happening all around us. Perhaps preach your wisdom to a more receptive audience, I think some people on these lists are questioning this thread, maybe even doing their own Google searches to learn for themselves. These are the people who will embrace the new world without money, whilst others who close their minds and only accept the old will be left behind. Just as the horse gave way to the motor car, so will money be left behind. such as your stuffed toy animals. I don't own any, though my woman has a few. It's a girl thing I think. You know, the ones you keep in your Mommies basement where you live? I live in my own house, I eat my own food and I am very happy with my life. Making assumptions is not a reliable way to make decisions and learn new information. Thank you for enlightening all of us with your superior wisdom. I am not superior. I have spent my time differently. Have a great life. I already have a great life, and together, we could make it even better. This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. ^^^ How can I delete your words from the internal memory in my brain, once I have read them? Simon -- elbbit ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Any package for surveys?
On 28/01/11 16:26, Robert Bonomi wrote: Robert, I appreciate you taking the time to reply. I am not the only one who is interested in this argument. elbbit wrote: I held off writing back because I have just launched a new website at: http://www.tibble.net/ Wait! Don't go! This isn't spam! Please! Just listen! Yes, it looks very spammy to me I sent similar emails to other lists and was promptly scalded for being so uncouth. I thank those who encourage me to stop spamming for teaching me humility. However, I think the importance of global self awareness is too important to worry about whether or not we like to know about the problems. This is the equivalent of a hit-and-run, in my opinion. I am here to stay, I am not going anywhere and the world will become self-aware in my presence. It is why I have been born. You are a delusion dipshit, and a bad liar. If you feel so righteous about your cause, why did you hijack another thread without changing the subject? With all the respect that is due to you, and all others who frequent these mailing lists, I feel the topic of global voting is too important to worry about whether or not my particular message fits into a defined category. And you think it's OK to *STEAL* other people's resources to get your message out, apparently. Hmm. Stealing. Taking without consent. Consent from whom? The network operator? According to the Debian website: There are many world-open mailing lists, meaning anyone can read everything that is posted, and participate in the discussions. Everyone is encouraged... - Under the heading Introduction: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ Yes, *STEALING*. When you 'hijack' the resources the mailing-list owner/ operator has provided _for_a_specific_purpose_, for somethin *unrelated* to that purpose, you _are_ stealing. I would like to invite the mail list administrator to participate in this discussion (if desired) and clarify for all whether this argument is OK. If it is not OK, I request some clarification. Doing what you did is *expressly* against The AUP of your hosting services provider, Webfusion, Ltd. http://www.123-reg.co.uk/terms/aup.shtml Yes. Words. Somehow, it is commonly accepted that just because something is written in words that it is right. My emails challenge that. You _agreed_, _contractually_, to abide by those 'words' when you signed up for services with that provider. They 'took your word' that you were telling the truth. Do not be surprised if you find that they choose not to do any further business with you when they find out you -lied- to them. In fact, I did not agree to that. The agreement is between me and another company who I obtain the service from. Obviously, the company you mention are the ones who provide the actual service, and the brand I used is clearly a middle-man. If they are in violation, I do not know about it. Still, this is irrelevant as it has nothing to do with my ability to post to these lists. That said, you've _made_ your rules, and now *you8 get to live by them. I do not understand this statement. Please clarify. You didn't clarify. Russian brides, pharmaceutcals, watches, lottery winnings, money sharing, and whatever else people decide is 'too important' for _you_ not to be informed of. You see, the people who raise awareness of their product or service are after one thing - to increase the number which is displayed on their ATM machine. I do not want money. I do not promote a service or product. In fact, I promote an IDEA - the notion that we can abandon money altogether. So What? If you believe you can decide what is 'appropriate' for for _my_ mail box, others can do the same for *yours*. No, that's not what I am saying. Everyone has the right to control what appears in their mail box. Only by raising awareness of the possibility that a world without money can exist will it ever come to fruition, and by speaking or writing to others on this planet I am able to let them know they can still educate themselves. But, then, you're a spammer. Try not to think of me as someone different. You _are_ different. *PROVEN* by your actions. I am the same as you. We are both sending mail to these lists, and we are discussing. Your actions are not that different from mine. And someone I do -not_ care to associate with. Then don't reply to my emails. I am someone the same. Demonstratably incorrect. Thank you for teaching me to expand the context of my sentences. I value when people teach me the error of my ways, and I do not see it as damaging to my ego. Instead, I feel enlightened, knowing full well that I am now aware of what I was doing wrong, and I can make a change inside of me. Simon -- elbbit ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
Re: Any package for surveys?
On 01/29/11 00:24, elbbit wrote: On 28/01/11 12:28, Robert Bonomi wrote: Thank you for taking the time to reply Robert. I value your opinion. elbbit wrote: I held off writing back because I have just launched a new website at: http://www.tibble.net/ Wait! Don't go! This isn't spam! Please! Just listen! Yes, it looks very spammy to me I sent similar emails to other lists and was promptly scalded for being so uncouth. I thank those who encourage me to stop spamming for teaching me humility. However, I think the importance of global self awareness is too important to worry about whether or not we like to know about the problems. This is the equivalent of a hit-and-run, in my opinion. I am here to stay, I am not going anywhere and the world will become self-aware in my presence. It is why I have been born. You are a delusion dipshit, and a bad liar. If you feel so righteous about your cause, why did you hijack another thread without changing the subject? With all the respect that is due to you, and all others who frequent these mailing lists, I feel the topic of global voting is too important to worry about whether or not my particular message fits into a defined category. And you think it's OK to *STEAL* other people's resources to get your message out, apparently. Hmm. Stealing. Taking without consent. Consent from whom? The network operator? According to the Debian website: There are many world-open mailing lists, meaning anyone can read everything that is posted, and participate in the discussions. Everyone is encouraged... - Under the heading Introduction: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ Hmm. I assumed the service was being offered to me. If I am wrong, I would like more people to confirm if Robert is right. Ok. For starters you quoted Debian's list on participation. Try quoting the right list according to your posting. I get your message- I do. Many here would not agree with it, and neither do I, though. If you want to preach, do it in the right forum. This forum is for people who want to resolve issues with a _free_ open source OS- not global opinions. Each forum is centered on a specific topic, find one that suits your message. This here will not get the response you desire, birds of a feather _will_ flock together- these here have a different feather than your message. Find your own flock... :) You preach respect for others view on time, money, etc; then respect this. The people who run the mailing lists _pay_ for that equipment and Pay... with money... which is a made up idea... network connectivity, and provide it to others for a specific use. ...in this case, communication... which we are doing :-) You _are_ a thief, and as already stated a bad liar, and a delusional dipshit. My opinion is that according to the instruction provided to it, your computer did all it can to send me your information. I did not steal it. You gave it to me. You offered, you know - where you make a motion towards me? Money is an idea, so is temperature, distance, and luminosity. It is a resource, and is given a value. You think a lot like my wife, she believes in bartering and what not. I agree, but _any_ transaction is a transfer of _value_ - something you need to come to grips with here. Yes, there will come a time when money will lose its importance, and maybe even value, but this now, and it does carry a high importance to many _now_. They will not change their mind overnight- you need to respect this. The time for change is not yet. I doubt that money will disappear completely myself, but I do believe it will lessen in importance. What you fail to grasp in what people are trying to communicate here is that you are wasting resources, valuable resources in these times. This is a worthy project (so is Debian) providing a stable system that will be a catalyst towards the very change you are looking for. Everything has a value, monetary or not, and while you are like some others at one end of the extreme trying to distance yourself as far as you can from the other (corporations, etc), it is not sustainable in the long term. Resources will _always_ have a value, and with resources being very limited in these projects, they cannot afford to have you waste them. They would probably not object as strongly if you only addressed them individually, but you have raised ire collectively- and across 2 lists! Respect peoples wishes, and respect the value of resources- they are never infinite. Otherwise you are no better than what it is you despise. Doing what you did is *expressly* against The AUP of your hosting services provider, Webfusion, Ltd. http://www.123-reg.co.uk/terms/aup.shtml Yes. Words. Somehow, it is commonly accepted that just because something is written in words that it is right.
Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)
I came from my mother, just as you came from yours. I am not sorry you are unable to accept that my opinion differs from yours, and I hope that we resolve this. I came from a test tube. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)
Original Message From: elb...@gmail.com To: ggat...@waddell.com Subject: Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:43:12 + On 28/01/11 16:07, Gary Gatten wrote: snip Oh dear. OMFG... how much longer are we going to keep commenting on this worthless thread? Hmm. Worthless... without value... an entity lacking substance. Hmm. This thread was started by me. Now let me see, yes, I still have my arms and legs. Which must logically mean I have substance. And I have spent my time since birth learning about the world around me and embracing it. From all the information I have learnt about life and other people, I believe I have substance. And, as a result, my creations (my emails) are born from that substance. I forgive you. And now the debian list too? That's great... I think you underestimate the size of the problem I am highlighting: forgetting money. Dear Hijacker: You are the superior one, all others are inferior. You are incorrect. I am the same as everyone else, just as you are. You are right, all others are wrong. Try not to see things as a case of right or wrong. Instead, try to realise the truth: people spend their time differently. Your brain is only as reliable as the information you have fed into it, and based on that information, you make decisions. Please go away. You may succeed in silencing me as an individual, but you will not silence the growing Zeitgeist movement which is happening all around us. Perhaps preach your wisdom to a more receptive audience, I think some people on these lists are questioning this thread, maybe even doing their own Google searches to learn for themselves. These are the people who will embrace the new world without money, whilst others who close their minds and only accept the old will be left behind. Just as the horse gave way to the motor car, so will money be left behind. such as your stuffed toy animals. I don't own any, though my woman has a few. It's a girl thing I think. You know, the ones you keep in your Mommies basement where you live? I live in my own house, I eat my own food and I am very happy with my life. Making assumptions is not a reliable way to make decisions and learn new information. Thank you for enlightening all of us with your superior wisdom. I am not superior. I have spent my time differently. Have a great life. I already have a great life, and together, we could make it even better. This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. ^^^ How can I delete your words from the internal memory in my brain, once I have read them? Simon -- elbbit I too am tired of this tripe. However, in a world without money, how do you pay your ISP? L -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d42f220.1050...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Any package for surveys?
Hi Simon, elbbit wrote: I held off writing back because I have just launched a new website at: http://www.tibble.net/ Wait! Don't go! This isn't spam! Please! Just listen! Yes, it looks very spammy to me For anyone who is half in the know about the goings on in the world, and are aware of Project Venus or the Zeitgeist Movement, you will understand that there is a growing concern over many global issues: - over-population of the planet - resources might run out (as a result of too many people) - money is a form of slavery - the choices available to us are set by corporations/governments, not by us the people ... the list goes on. The problem with many leading questions [as per your site] is that you can't agree / disagree with the question properly as there are grey areas. You might somewhat agree with each argument, so you are unable to choose b/w either given answer in a simple y/n situation. There are often at least three answers to a question, your answer, an opposing answer and the correct answer; however that trivializes the fact that multiple answers could be equally correct for different people with or without further argument -- but if you define the question to rigidly, you can't give fair license to get the answer that is truly relevant for the responder. I think back to the good old Eliza program, back in my late primary school days in the era of the TRS-80 and Apple ][e computers. The program asks a simple question, then depending on your response, it will ask further questions along the way to get to an artificial point of knowing the answer. Not sure if this helps, but along those lines, you could perhaps ask simple questions and build a tree to allow people to always give very short and un-ambiguous answers which they can agree with and not end up on the shelf trying to decide an impossible right answer for them based on the question which doesn't give them enough scope to answer properly and therefore let the asker know what is really thought by the responder. Inevitably, many forum polls have the same problem. Limit the available choices and you can't get appropriate or meaningful results. There are always other options that aren't seen in the poll. This might give you an idea: http://www.mobygames.com/game/trs-80/eliza -- Kind Regards AndrewM Andrew McGlashan Broadband Solutions now including VoIP ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Any package for surveys?
Quoth elbbit on Thursday, 27 January 2011: Wait! Don't go! This isn't spam! Please! Just listen! Saying it's not spam doesn't make it not spam. Please forward this message to everyone, even if you know full well they probably won't read or understand it. This message must travel the matrix in order to flourish. This is a call to join your spam army. No thanks. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com pgpN8GvkTX9Mu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Any package for surveys?
On 27/01/11 14:41, Andrew McGlashan wrote: Hi Simon, Thanks for taking the time to reply Andrew. elbbit wrote: I held off writing back because I have just launched a new website at: http://www.tibble.net/ Wait! Don't go! This isn't spam! Please! Just listen! Yes, it looks very spammy to me I sent similar emails to other lists and was promptly scalded for being so uncouth. I thank those who encourage me to stop spamming for teaching me humility. However, I think the importance of global self awareness is too important to worry about whether or not we like to know about the problems. This is the equivalent of a hit-and-run, in my opinion. I am here to stay, I am not going anywhere and the world will become self-aware in my presence. It is why I have been born. For anyone who is half in the know about the goings on in the world, and are aware of Project Venus or the Zeitgeist Movement, you will understand that there is a growing concern over many global issues: - over-population of the planet - resources might run out (as a result of too many people) - money is a form of slavery - the choices available to us are set by corporations/governments, not by us the people ... the list goes on. The problem with many leading questions [as per your site] is that you can't agree / disagree with the question properly as there are grey areas. You might somewhat agree with each argument, so you are unable to choose b/w either given answer in a simple y/n situation. There are often at least three answers to a question, your answer, an opposing answer and the correct answer; however that trivializes the fact that multiple answers could be equally correct for different people with or without further argument -- but if you define the question to rigidly, you can't give fair license to get the answer that is truly relevant for the responder. My argument to this is a physics one. Nothing is static. There is no grey area. This so called in between black and white is a myth which is perpetuated to stop us from deciding. Let me analogise: everything in real matter is in a state of change. In a car which has cruise control, the internal computer either adds braking force or increases the airflow in the combustion process to allow acceleration. The speedometer might perceptively appear to be stuck at the specified speed, but in fact, even at the microscopic level, you are either speeding up or slowing down. Using this as a guide, and from all the understandings I have gleaned from texts about psychology human relations, technology science, history and predictions: I deduce that everything is definitive. Just like the binary bit, your answer can only ever be 1 or 0. You are alive or dead. You either breathe in or out. Your brain either receives information or it does not. Your computer has electricity fed to it or not. There is no middle ground and any variance on the polar choice will be avoided at all costs. I think back to the good old Eliza program, back in my late primary school days in the era of the TRS-80 and Apple ][e computers. The program asks a simple question, then depending on your response, it will ask further questions along the way to get to an artificial point of knowing the answer. Aah, the old Turing test chestnut. Artificial intelligence *will* happen, but not in the way we have previously thought it. Inevitably, many forum polls have the same problem. Limit the available choices and you can't get appropriate or meaningful results. There are always other options that aren't seen in the poll. Just like I can switch my transistor half on? Simon -- elbbit ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Any package for surveys?
On 27/01/11 17:04, Bill Moran ... Thank you for taking the time to reply Bill. I am glad you challenge me. Someone needs to! In response to elbbit elb...@gmail.com: On 27/01/11 14:41, Andrew McGlashan wrote: Hi Simon, Thanks for taking the time to reply Andrew. elbbit wrote: I held off writing back because I have just launched a new website at: http://www.tibble.net/ Wait! Don't go! This isn't spam! Please! Just listen! Yes, it looks very spammy to me I sent similar emails to other lists and was promptly scalded for being so uncouth. I thank those who encourage me to stop spamming for teaching me humility. However, I think the importance of global self awareness is too important to worry about whether or not we like to know about the problems. This is the equivalent of a hit-and-run, in my opinion. I am here to stay, I am not going anywhere and the world will become self-aware in my presence. It is why I have been born. You are a delusion dipshit, and a bad liar. I forgive you. If you feel so righteous about your cause, why did you hijack another thread without changing the subject? With all the respect that is due to you, and all others who frequent these mailing lists, I feel the topic of global voting is too important to worry about whether or not my particular message fits into a defined category. The survey thread I chose to reply to is the closest match I could find that was both recent and relevant to OUR cause. By our I mean all people in the world, not just those involved with me. To highlight some facts here: a) original poster asked about conducting a survey b) original poster wants to gather the opinion using the internet c) I am conducting a survey of all people on all views, sorted by most active vote/talk thread d) my survey is being conducted on the internet It's because you don't really care if anyone on the list reads it, Naturally, when you understand the significance of everyone being able to vote, and then being able to change their vote at any time, and being able to vote on anything - completely unrestricted, unmoderated, clear-cut decision. Take a second to imagine in your mind, and call it fiction if you will, that it is wholly possible that all people can vote in this way. Now, seeing as we are dealing with fiction, and made up ideas, you must remember that money is a made up idea. Someone thought it up. Let's continue... you just want the message to be in the multitude of web archives that archive this mailing list so you'll have more links back to your page so search engines are more likely to rank you highly. I expect you've got some scheme in mind that eventually involves making yourself money once you've got enough traffic. I am not hostile. I care. I love. Yes, you read me right. I have nothing but love for you all, and whilst you might think I am going to fail without the use of money - I think you will find that there is a growing trend where people are starting to question why we have all believed in money. Money is the religion of today, if you open your eyes to see it for yourself. I am not here to make money. I am here to see what the world decides for itself. I sent a complaint to your ISP about the spamming. If enough other people do the same, you'll find your site shut down eventually. I wish you poor luck and misery. I forgive you [again] for thinking that I am hostile. I am not hurting anybody. No blood is being spilt because I am asking for your opinion. Go ahead and annoy the ISP if you want, but if they shut Tibble down it will just appear somewhere else, maybe even being written by someone new. I am on the outside of the matrix. You have no idea how great it is out here. Unplug, and free your mind, just like Neo does in the famous movie. Only, try to understand, the real fiction we deal with is money and those who make it. They use it to control you. Do your own research. Don't believe the crazy man - because I am crazy...or am I? Simon -- elbbit ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Any package for surveys?
On 1/27/11 12:08 PM, elbbit wrote: I am not going anywhere and the world will become self-aware in my presence. It is why I have been born. You sound like a sociopath. I am on the outside of the matrix. You have no idea how great it is out here. Unplug, and free your mind, just like Neo does in the famous movie. Only, try to understand, the real fiction we deal with is money and those who make it. They use it to control you. Do your own research. Don't believe the crazy man - because I am crazy...or am I? Nevermind, you actually just sound like a normal 14 year old with Hollywood inspired delusions of grandeur. Hope your website works out for you and ends social injustice. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Any package for surveys?
On 27/01/11 19:23, Jarrod Slick wrote: Thank you for taking the time to reply Jarrod. I appreciate your argument. On 1/27/11 12:08 PM, elbbit wrote: I am not going anywhere and the world will become self-aware in my presence. It is why I have been born. You sound like a sociopath. You sound like you are just putting me in a box marked crazy people without inquiring how I came to this conclusion. Your mind is closed. Only by asking questions will you learn anything new. Sure, I have answers, and so does Google. You can ask either or not at all. I am on the outside of the matrix. You have no idea how great it is out here. Unplug, and free your mind, just like Neo does in the famous movie. Only, try to understand, the real fiction we deal with is money and those who make it. They use it to control you. Do your own research. Don't believe the crazy man - because I am crazy...or am I? Nevermind, you actually just sound like a normal 14 year old with Hollywood inspired delusions of grandeur. It is widely accepted that Hollywood is based on real life, as a starting reference point in any fiction, and then distorted to a point. A screen writer then fills in the gaps with dramatization and dialogue. If my perception of the creativity industry is flawed, please educate me. Hope your website works out for you and ends social injustice. I forgive you. I accept the ridicule and sarcasm, because I have already accepted in advance, that it is the price I must pay in order free humanity from the control of a few powerful men, and give the power to the people themselves. If you are unable to see (in advance) how global voting is going to change the world, I think you need to get up from that keyboard and go ponder about the possibilities whilst staring out of a window. Simon -- elbbit ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Any package for surveys?
Quoth elbbit on Thursday, 27 January 2011: On 27/01/11 17:04, Bill Moran ... Thank you for taking the time to reply Bill. I am glad you challenge me. Someone needs to! In response to elbbit elb...@gmail.com: On 27/01/11 14:41, Andrew McGlashan wrote: Hi Simon, Thanks for taking the time to reply Andrew. elbbit wrote: I held off writing back because I have just launched a new website at: http://www.tibble.net/ Wait! Don't go! This isn't spam! Please! Just listen! Yes, it looks very spammy to me I sent similar emails to other lists and was promptly scalded for being so uncouth. I thank those who encourage me to stop spamming for teaching me humility. However, I think the importance of global self awareness is too important to worry about whether or not we like to know about the problems. This is the equivalent of a hit-and-run, in my opinion. I am here to stay, I am not going anywhere and the world will become self-aware in my presence. It is why I have been born. You are a delusion dipshit, and a bad liar. I forgive you. If you feel so righteous about your cause, why did you hijack another thread without changing the subject? With all the respect that is due to you, and all others who frequent these mailing lists, I feel the topic of global voting is too important to worry about whether or not my particular message fits into a defined category. The survey thread I chose to reply to is the closest match I could find that was both recent and relevant to OUR cause. By our I mean all people in the world, not just those involved with me. To highlight some facts here: a) original poster asked about conducting a survey b) original poster wants to gather the opinion using the internet c) I am conducting a survey of all people on all views, sorted by most active vote/talk thread d) my survey is being conducted on the internet It's because you don't really care if anyone on the list reads it, Naturally, when you understand the significance of everyone being able to vote, and then being able to change their vote at any time, and being able to vote on anything - completely unrestricted, unmoderated, clear-cut decision. Take a second to imagine in your mind, and call it fiction if you will, that it is wholly possible that all people can vote in this way. Now, seeing as we are dealing with fiction, and made up ideas, you must remember that money is a made up idea. Someone thought it up. Let's continue... you just want the message to be in the multitude of web archives that archive this mailing list so you'll have more links back to your page so search engines are more likely to rank you highly. I expect you've got some scheme in mind that eventually involves making yourself money once you've got enough traffic. I am not hostile. I care. I love. Yes, you read me right. I have nothing but love for you all, and whilst you might think I am going to fail without the use of money - I think you will find that there is a growing trend where people are starting to question why we have all believed in money. Money is the religion of today, if you open your eyes to see it for yourself. I am not here to make money. I am here to see what the world decides for itself. I sent a complaint to your ISP about the spamming. If enough other people do the same, you'll find your site shut down eventually. I wish you poor luck and misery. I forgive you [again] for thinking that I am hostile. I am not hurting anybody. No blood is being spilt because I am asking for your opinion. Go ahead and annoy the ISP if you want, but if they shut Tibble down it will just appear somewhere else, maybe even being written by someone new. I am on the outside of the matrix. You have no idea how great it is out here. Unplug, and free your mind, just like Neo does in the famous movie. Only, try to understand, the real fiction we deal with is money and those who make it. They use it to control you. Do your own research. Don't believe the crazy man - because I am crazy...or am I? Simon -- elbbit As I was reading this, I couldn't help picturing the speaker as King Julian from the Madagascar movies. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com pgpwu8xP0MeNo.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Any package for surveys?
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 04:38:57PM +, elbbit wrote: I sent similar emails to other lists and was promptly scalded for being so uncouth. I thank those who encourage me to stop spamming for teaching me humility. However, I think the importance of global self awareness is too important to worry about whether or not we like to know about the problems. This is the equivalent of a hit-and-run, in my opinion. I am here to stay, I am not going anywhere and the world will become self-aware in my presence. It is why I have been born. It's spam, no matter how good you think the cause may be. Spam alienates people. It does *not* sway them to your point of view. Being spammy is a great way to *discourage* people from whatever you want to encourage them to do. I recommend you stop. You have already convinced many on this list, I am certain, that visiting your site will be a complete waste of time, because spammy behavior is a very strong indicator of scammy ideas. I think back to the good old Eliza program, back in my late primary school days in the era of the TRS-80 and Apple ][e computers. The program asks a simple question, then depending on your response, it will ask further questions along the way to get to an artificial point of knowing the answer. Aah, the old Turing test chestnut. Artificial intelligence *will* happen, but not in the way we have previously thought it. This is completely irrelevant to the point about Eliza. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpirGyFtlEFI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Any package for surveys?
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:23:08PM -0700, Jarrod Slick wrote: On 1/27/11 12:08 PM, elbbit wrote: I am not going anywhere and the world will become self-aware in my presence. It is why I have been born. You sound like a sociopath. Actually, the correct term in this case is megalomaniac. The part that makes him sound like a sociopath is the part where he says he's going to spam people because he thinks his desires are more important than living peacefully with other people. I'm not likely to actually think he's a sociopath or megalomaniac at this point, however. He may merely be misguided. I do not have enough information to diagnose him. He may even be a she, but I need to pick a pronoun, so there it is (and for some reason people object when I use it for people whose genders are unknown to me). -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp0SE5yMHIDv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Any package for surveys?
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 07:43:09PM +, elbbit wrote: On 27/01/11 19:23, Jarrod Slick wrote: On 1/27/11 12:08 PM, elbbit wrote: I am not going anywhere and the world will become self-aware in my presence. It is why I have been born. You sound like a sociopath. You sound like you are just putting me in a box marked crazy people without inquiring how I came to this conclusion. Your mind is closed. Only by asking questions will you learn anything new. Sure, I have answers, and so does Google. You can ask either or not at all. . . . and you sound like a shady door-to-door salesman just trying to get the foot in the door to sell someone a set of overpriced kitchen knives he doesn't need. I suggest you take a different approach that does not alienate the people you think you want to convince to join you. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgppf1Iq464vS.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Any package for surveys?
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Chad Perrin Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 2:20 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any package for surveys? On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:23:08PM -0700, Jarrod Slick wrote: On 1/27/11 12:08 PM, elbbit wrote: I am not going anywhere and the world will become self-aware in my presence. It is why I have been born. You sound like a sociopath. Actually, the correct term in this case is megalomaniac. The part that makes him sound like a sociopath is the part where he says he's going to spam people because he thinks his desires are more important than living peacefully with other people. I'm not likely to actually think he's a sociopath or megalomaniac at this point, however. He may merely be misguided. I do not have enough information to diagnose him. He may even be a she, but I need to pick a pronoun, so there it is (and for some reason people object when I use it for people whose genders are unknown to me). -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] I don't object to it for unknown's of any kind - feel free, I won't be offended - and since I'm the only one that matters you're good to go! font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Any package for surveys?
On 25/01/11 10:11, Daniel Andersson wrote: Is there a package for doing surveys? Preferably a web solution. Any suggestions? Sorry for coming late to the thread with this one. I held off writing back because I have just launched a new website at: http://www.tibble.net/ Wait! Don't go! This isn't spam! Please! Just listen! For anyone who is half in the know about the goings on in the world, and are aware of Project Venus or the Zeitgeist Movement, you will understand that there is a growing concern over many global issues: - over-population of the planet - resources might run out (as a result of too many people) - money is a form of slavery - the choices available to us are set by corporations/governments, not by us the people ... the list goes on. I'm not here to preach one form of belief system or another. I do not enter into argument with those who want to push their beliefs. You may believe in God. I may not. Whatever. What I want to know is... what does EVERYONE think about stuff? I mean, why are no global surveys being cast. Up steps me. My name is Simon Tibble, and I am here to take your vote please. Come join me at my site and give your view about all and every, and learn more about what other people think. The sooner the global consensus is reached... the better our world will become. Yes, I really do believe I can change the world. Are you with me? Or do you want to ridicule me? Go to my site. Go now. Give up a little bit of your very precious time - and I thank all in advance who help contribute - because I need you - we need each other - to develop as a whole we need to think as a whole. I post here first rather than elsewhere because I believe computer experts like ourselves are at the forefront of development. Through the application of science comes wisdom, understanding and knowledge. For those who have a head for big words, you may want to read more about the idea at: http://www.tibble.net/idea.txt There is one more thing you should know about the site. Once you decide your vote, it does not end there. You can change your mind at any time on any matter, and any one can make a new vote. So, you see, the organic flow of energy in nature can relate to information... because as more people come online at Tibble.net and register their vote, the more we gain an understanding of how everyone is feeling. We learn what we want as a whole and we will obviously adapt according to our majority thought. Accept that this moment is inevitable. Some call this the technological singularity, others call it the awakening. Whatever you call it, you are either part of planet earth or you are not, and if you know what is right, you will realise this is bigger than Facebook or Google will ever be. Please forward this message to everyone, even if you know full well they probably won't read or understand it. This message must travel the matrix in order to flourish. Simon Tibble si...@tibble.net -- elbbit ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
