Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
On Sunday 13 March 2005 20:05, Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: If I just do: cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile portmanager -u Do I need portupgrade at all then? I think you do, as I understand the situation, portmanager lacks two significant features. 1. All ports have an implicit dependence on FreeBSD itself which isn't recorded in the package database, so AFAIK portmanager doesn't automatically rebuild all ports after an upgrade of the basic system, and doesn't provide the means to force an upgrade. Portupgrade can force the rebuilding of all ports with -fa; better still it can force the upgrade of ports built before a specified date, which gives a restartable rebuild. I've been trying portmanager recently, but I found this feature of portupgrade very useful when I upgraded my hardware and needed to alter my optimizations from P3 down to 686, and then up to althlon-xp. 2 it lacks the ability to force a rebuild of dependent ports after a port has been rebuilt with new build options. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 05:03 pm, you wrote: On Sunday 13 March 2005 20:05, Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: If I just do: cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile portmanager -u Do I need portupgrade at all then? I think you do, as I understand the situation, portmanager lacks two significant features. 1. All ports have an implicit dependence on FreeBSD itself which isn't recorded in the package database, so AFAIK portmanager doesn't automatically rebuild all ports after an upgrade of the basic system, and doesn't provide the means to force an upgrade. Portupgrade can force the rebuilding of all ports with -fa; better still it can force the upgrade of ports built before a specified date, which gives a restartable rebuild. I've been trying portmanager recently, but I found this feature of portupgrade very useful when I upgraded my hardware and needed to alter my optimizations from P3 down to 686, and then up to althlon-xp. This is the first good case I've seen for forcing a rebuild of all ports. Portmanager isn't intended as replacement for portupgrade, the way I see it they serve different purposes. Portmanager's purpose is to make it as easy as possible to upgrade all ports, with the goal that users have no good excuse to let there ports get way out of date. That is pretty much all it does. Portupgrade has so many useful tools for doing repair/cleanup jobs on the ports tree it would be silly in my opinion for someone to get rid of it. The example you just cited above is a perfect reason to keep portupgrade around. 2 it lacks the ability to force a rebuild of dependent ports after a port has been rebuilt with new build options. There would be no reason to build dependent ports in this situation, the port you changed options on is dependent on the dependent ports, not the other way around. If its the other way where ports depend on this one and they need to be rebuilt for some reason this port needs to change its name depending on the options it was built with. using jdk14 as an example, if you cd /usr/ports/java/jdk14 and run make describe its name will be jdk-1.4.2p7 but if you do make describe MINIMAL=1 its name is jdk-minimal-1.4.2p7 In this case if you change options from normal to minimal or vice versa portmanager will indeed rebuild the ports that used to depend on the previous name. I have seen not one situation where if you change build options on a port and then ran portmanager -u where it missed anything that needed to be rebuilt, if there ever has been such a case it certainly has never been reported. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:02:59 -0800, Michael C. Shultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks All, its running OK on my system but there are 55 more ports still to upgrade! I hope yours is a little faster. I've got a P4m 2.2GHz so it isn't that slow. My problem is that I have too much stuff on my drive and so performance suffers cause I'm nearly always 99% full :-D I may get chance to have it finished tonight (or at least get enough of the core stuff done that I can start using the desktop again). Al -- LJ: http://www.livejournal.com/users/everlone GPG/PGP: http://www.no-dns-yet.org.uk/~everlone/pubkey.gpg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
I think there is no big difference between just running portupgrade vs portmanager. I would say portmanager is better and faster because you don't need to baby sit, it is really automagical, and there is no messing with an index. I keep hearing great things about portmanager, but I have not been able to run it... when I try, I get: # portmanager -s PMGRrStatus 0.2.9_3 info: Creating inital data bases PMGRrVerifyContentsFile 0.2.9_3 error: could not open /var/db/pkg/mailman-2.1.5_2/+CONTENTS system message: No such file or directory Assertion failed: (0), function PMGRrVerifyContentsFile, file PMGRrVerifyContentsFile.c,line 75. Abort (core dumped) What am I doing wrong? _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
I keep hearing great things about portmanager, but I have not been able to run it... when I try, I get: # portmanager -s - --- PMGRrStatus 0.2.9_3 info: Creating inital data bases - --- PMGRrVerifyContentsFile 0.2.9_3 error: could not open /var/db/pkg/mailman-2.1.5_2/+CONTENTS system message: No such file or directory Assertion failed: (0), function PMGRrVerifyContentsFile, file PMGRrVerifyContentsFile.c,line 75. Abort (core dumped) What am I doing wrong? Does /var/db/pkg/mailman-2.1.5_2 exist on your system? If so does /var/db/pkg/mailman-2.1.5_2/+CONTENTS exist? Ah... # ls -ld /var/db/pkg/mail* drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Feb 15 21:43 /var/db/pkg/mailman-2.1.5_2 # ls -l /var/db/pkg/mailman-2.1.5_2 total 0 # pkg_info | grep mail pkg_info: the package info for package 'mailman-2.1.5_2' is corrupt I re-installed mailman and now portmanager is working. Still... seems like it should not dump core on the corrupt package info. Thanks for your help. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
On Monday 14 March 2005 03:16 pm, Lee Harr wrote: I keep hearing great things about portmanager, but I have not been able to run it... when I try, I get: # portmanager -s - --- PMGRrStatus 0.2.9_3 info: Creating inital data bases - --- PMGRrVerifyContentsFile 0.2.9_3 error: could not open /var/db/pkg/mailman-2.1.5_2/+CONTENTS system message: No such file or directory Assertion failed: (0), function PMGRrVerifyContentsFile, file PMGRrVerifyContentsFile.c,line 75. Abort (core dumped) What am I doing wrong? Does /var/db/pkg/mailman-2.1.5_2 exist on your system? If so does /var/db/pkg/mailman-2.1.5_2/+CONTENTS exist? Ah... # ls -ld /var/db/pkg/mail* drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Feb 15 21:43 /var/db/pkg/mailman-2.1.5_2 # ls -l /var/db/pkg/mailman-2.1.5_2 total 0 # pkg_info | grep mail pkg_info: the package info for package 'mailman-2.1.5_2' is corrupt I re-installed mailman and now portmanager is working. Still... seems like it should not dump core on the corrupt package info. Thanks for your help. Your welcome. I'll take your suggestion and make a more informative message. Using pkg_info was a great idea, I'll use that for producing the message. :) -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
On Sunday 13 March 2005 12:05 pm, Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: If I just do: cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile portmanager -u Do I need portupgrade at all then? Thanks. Not for upgrading. portsclean (a part of portsupgrade package) is a nice feature of portupgrade, so is pkg_which and a few others so I keep portupgrade around just the same. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
Michael C. Shultz wrote: On Sunday 13 March 2005 12:05 pm, Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: If I just do: cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile portmanager -u Do I need portupgrade at all then? Thanks. Not for upgrading. portsclean (a part of portsupgrade package) is a nice feature of portupgrade, so is pkg_which and a few others so I keep portupgrade around just the same. -Mike How long does it take to run portmanager. Is it a similar amount of time as portupgrade for each run? Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
Chris Hodgins wrote: Michael C. Shultz wrote: On Sunday 13 March 2005 12:05 pm, Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: If I just do: cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile portmanager -u Do I need portupgrade at all then? Thanks. Not for upgrading. portsclean (a part of portsupgrade package) is a nice feature of portupgrade, so is pkg_which and a few others so I keep portupgrade around just the same. -Mike How long does it take to run portmanager. Is it a similar amount of time as portupgrade for each run? Chris The time is about the same (in my experiance) AND (most importantly) portmanager seems to handle upgrading better then portupgrade does. IE: Thunderbird, Gnome, Firefox. Another nifty thing is that portmanager creates a package and dumps it in /usr/ports/mail/thunderbird (for example) and at least for me, I can pkg_add that to my laptop since they both run 5.3 -- Best regards, Chris Misery no longer loves company nowdays it insists on it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
On Sunday 13 March 2005 12:38 pm, you wrote: Michael C. Shultz wrote: On Sunday 13 March 2005 12:05 pm, Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: If I just do: cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile portmanager -u Do I need portupgrade at all then? Thanks. Not for upgrading. portsclean (a part of portsupgrade package) is a nice feature of portupgrade, so is pkg_which and a few others so I keep portupgrade around just the same. -Mike How long does it take to run portmanager. Is it a similar amount of time as portupgrade for each run? Chris That is a tough question here is how it tends to work for me: First I run it everyday since I'm developing it I have to know if there is anything changed in ports that is going to cause portmanager to crash. Most days it takes less than an hour, but sometimes when just one lower level port like gettext for example is updated it may take 24 hours to finish. I'm using a 1ghz machine with both gnome and kde (all together about 300 installed ports) as an example. Here is exactly how portmanager works: First dependent ports that are out of date are upgraded, then everything that depends on them are upgraded. portupgrade does not work this same way so the time comparison is very tough to predict. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
Chris wrote: Chris Hodgins wrote: Michael C. Shultz wrote: On Sunday 13 March 2005 12:05 pm, Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: If I just do: cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile portmanager -u Do I need portupgrade at all then? Thanks. Not for upgrading. portsclean (a part of portsupgrade package) is a nice feature of portupgrade, so is pkg_which and a few others so I keep portupgrade around just the same. -Mike How long does it take to run portmanager. Is it a similar amount of time as portupgrade for each run? Chris The time is about the same (in my experiance) AND (most importantly) portmanager seems to handle upgrading better then portupgrade does. IE: Thunderbird, Gnome, Firefox. Another nifty thing is that portmanager creates a package and dumps it in /usr/ports/mail/thunderbird (for example) and at least for me, I can pkg_add that to my laptop since they both run 5.3 Excellent. Does it leave packages for everything or is just thunderbird that does this? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
Chris Hodgins wrote: Chris wrote: Chris Hodgins wrote: Michael C. Shultz wrote: On Sunday 13 March 2005 12:05 pm, Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: If I just do: cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile portmanager -u Do I need portupgrade at all then? Thanks. Not for upgrading. portsclean (a part of portsupgrade package) is a nice feature of portupgrade, so is pkg_which and a few others so I keep portupgrade around just the same. -Mike How long does it take to run portmanager. Is it a similar amount of time as portupgrade for each run? Chris The time is about the same (in my experiance) AND (most importantly) portmanager seems to handle upgrading better then portupgrade does. IE: Thunderbird, Gnome, Firefox. Another nifty thing is that portmanager creates a package and dumps it in /usr/ports/mail/thunderbird (for example) and at least for me, I can pkg_add that to my laptop since they both run 5.3 Excellent. Does it leave packages for everything or is just thunderbird that does this? I assume so - I just checked Firefox - and its in there. -- Best regards, Chris The tendency of smoke from a cigarette, barbeque, campfire, etc. to drift into a person's face varies directly with that person's sensitivity to smoke. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
Michael C. Shultz wrote: On Sunday 13 March 2005 12:38 pm, you wrote: Michael C. Shultz wrote: On Sunday 13 March 2005 12:05 pm, Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: If I just do: cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile portmanager -u Do I need portupgrade at all then? Thanks. Not for upgrading. portsclean (a part of portsupgrade package) is a nice feature of portupgrade, so is pkg_which and a few others so I keep portupgrade around just the same. -Mike How long does it take to run portmanager. Is it a similar amount of time as portupgrade for each run? Chris That is a tough question here is how it tends to work for me: First I run it everyday since I'm developing it I have to know if there is anything changed in ports that is going to cause portmanager to crash. Most days it takes less than an hour, but sometimes when just one lower level port like gettext for example is updated it may take 24 hours to finish. I'm using a 1ghz machine with both gnome and kde (all together about 300 installed ports) as an example. Here is exactly how portmanager works: First dependent ports that are out of date are upgraded, then everything that depends on them are upgraded. portupgrade does not work this same way so the time comparison is very tough to predict. -Mike Ah I see. So portmanager is sort of doing the equivelant to: portupgrade -fr myOutOfDatePort ?? Does this not mean it will always be slower than portupgrade? If it a low-level port it is going to take ages but if it is high-level it will start to get closer to the time it takes for portupgrade to run. Never faster? Or am I missing something. Is there a reason it does it this way over portupgrades method? Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
On Sunday 13 March 2005 12:40 pm, Chris wrote: Chris Hodgins wrote: Michael C. Shultz wrote: On Sunday 13 March 2005 12:05 pm, Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: If I just do: cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile portmanager -u Do I need portupgrade at all then? Thanks. Not for upgrading. portsclean (a part of portsupgrade package) is a nice feature of portupgrade, so is pkg_which and a few others so I keep portupgrade around just the same. -Mike How long does it take to run portmanager. Is it a similar amount of time as portupgrade for each run? Chris The time is about the same (in my experiance) AND (most importantly) portmanager seems to handle upgrading better then portupgrade does. IE: Thunderbird, Gnome, Firefox. Another nifty thing is that portmanager creates a package and dumps it in /usr/ports/mail/thunderbird (for example) and at least for me, I can pkg_add that to my laptop since they both run 5.3 Chris, check and see if you have a /usr/ports/packages directory. If you do then all the packages will end up in /usr/ports/packages/All and a tree of symlinks will be made under /usr/ports/packages for the ports that have packages. For some reason when you first set up FreeBSD/ports it does not make the /usr/ports/packages directory so the packages end up in the ports directory, this isn't a good place for them, here is why: When a port is removed, see /usr/ports/MOVED, cvsup should be able to delete the directory but if a package is setting in there it can't, so over time you will come across port directories that have just a package in it and maybe a readme.html file but nothing else. It will keep things leaner/cleaner if the packages directory exists. I keep meaning to submit a PR about the missing packages directory but never seem to get around to it :( One other thing just to let you know, I've been testing portmanager against this new gnome update, when its done there is a bunch of gstreamer-plugins-* left un-upgraded. I just tried pkg_delete -f gstreamer-plugins-* on them and let portmanager -u bring them back in, it seems to be working but I also cvsup'ed and there is so many new changes it will be awhile before I know for sure. Right now I'm telling anyone who asks to try pkg_delete -f gstreamer-plugins-* first before upgrading with portmanager if they use gnome. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
Michael C. Shultz wrote: On Sunday 13 March 2005 12:40 pm, Chris wrote: Chris Hodgins wrote: Michael C. Shultz wrote: On Sunday 13 March 2005 12:05 pm, Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: If I just do: cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile portmanager -u Do I need portupgrade at all then? Thanks. Not for upgrading. portsclean (a part of portsupgrade package) is a nice feature of portupgrade, so is pkg_which and a few others so I keep portupgrade around just the same. -Mike How long does it take to run portmanager. Is it a similar amount of time as portupgrade for each run? Chris The time is about the same (in my experiance) AND (most importantly) portmanager seems to handle upgrading better then portupgrade does. IE: Thunderbird, Gnome, Firefox. Another nifty thing is that portmanager creates a package and dumps it in /usr/ports/mail/thunderbird (for example) and at least for me, I can pkg_add that to my laptop since they both run 5.3 Chris, check and see if you have a /usr/ports/packages directory. If you do then all the packages will end up in /usr/ports/packages/All and a tree of symlinks will be made under /usr/ports/packages for the ports that have packages. For some reason when you first set up FreeBSD/ports it does not make the /usr/ports/packages directory so the packages end up in the ports directory, this isn't a good place for them, here is why: When a port is removed, see /usr/ports/MOVED, cvsup should be able to delete the directory but if a package is setting in there it can't, so over time you will come across port directories that have just a package in it and maybe a readme.html file but nothing else. It will keep things leaner/cleaner if the packages directory exists. I keep meaning to submit a PR about the missing packages directory but never seem to get around to it :( One other thing just to let you know, I've been testing portmanager against this new gnome update, when its done there is a bunch of gstreamer-plugins-* left un-upgraded. I just tried pkg_delete -f gstreamer-plugins-* on them and let portmanager -u bring them back in, it seems to be working but I also cvsup'ed and there is so many new changes it will be awhile before I know for sure. Right now I'm telling anyone who asks to try pkg_delete -f gstreamer-plugins-* first before upgrading with portmanager if they use gnome. -Mike Mike Like Chris I have packages scattered in my ports directories. I have just started using Portmanager. I have now created /usr/ports/packages directory. Do I need to move the packages one at a time from the individual ports directories? Will running portmanager again find them and move them? Thanks for all the positive, active maintenance of this port. Robert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
On Mar 13, 2005, at 3:46 PM, Michael C. Shultz wrote: On Sunday 13 March 2005 12:38 pm, you wrote: Michael C. Shultz wrote: On Sunday 13 March 2005 12:05 pm, Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: If I just do: cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile portmanager -u Do I need portupgrade at all then? Thanks. Not for upgrading. portsclean (a part of portsupgrade package) is a nice feature of portupgrade, so is pkg_which and a few others so I keep portupgrade around just the same. -Mike How long does it take to run portmanager. Is it a similar amount of time as portupgrade for each run? Chris That is a tough question here is how it tends to work for me: First I run it everyday since I'm developing it I have to know if there is anything changed in ports that is going to cause portmanager to crash. Most days it takes less than an hour, but sometimes when just one lower level port like gettext for example is updated it may take 24 hours to finish. I'm using a 1ghz machine with both gnome and kde (all together about 300 installed ports) as an example. Here is exactly how portmanager works: First dependent ports that are out of date are upgraded, then everything that depends on them are upgraded. portupgrade does not work this same way so the time comparison is very tough to predict. Just to add some experiences, I've been using Portmanager for probably a few months now (would need to check through old postings and notes to find out for sure) and have found it to be about the same amount of time for doing updates as portupgrade, but there's less babysitting of the server and I've not had any trouble using Portmanager. There was a bug that caused a loop in some updates but Michael fixed it in a very short amount of time and released the fixed version. It doesn't seem to rely on the index for the ports, so it may actually be faster. I don't have to run any operations to fix or reindex my ports as I've had to do sometimes in the past with portupgrade. Portmanager has made most of my updating a no-brainer, and I've been thankful that Michael was fast to fix problems when I reported what little I ran into. And this is on an in-use production serverI trust it with the updates, so either it's a program that works very well or I've been very lucky :-) I'd definitely recommend new users try using Portmanager for keeping their ports up to date. It is simple and straightforward to use and doesn't confuse newer users with details like manipulating the ports index. It's just a portmanager -u and off it goes...check in once in awhile to see how it's progressing and that's it. Makes updating as simple as the process of installing a new port :-) -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
Bart Silverstrim wrote: Portmanager has made most of my updating a no-brainer, and I've been thankful that Michael was fast to fix problems when I reported what little I ran into. And this is on an in-use production serverI trust it with the updates, so either it's a program that works very well or I've been very lucky :-) I'd definitely recommend new users try using Portmanager for keeping their ports up to date. It is simple and straightforward to use and doesn't confuse newer users with details like manipulating the ports index. It's just a portmanager -u and off it goes...check in once in awhile to see how it's progressing and that's it. Makes updating as simple as the process of installing a new port :-) -Bart Agreed - I to use it on a production boxen - and as Bart has said, either it's a great product or I have been lucky also. Best regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
On Sunday 13 March 2005 04:06 pm, Alistair Sutton wrote: On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:52:25 +, Chris Hodgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent. Does it leave packages for everything or is just thunderbird that does this? It will create packages for every port that it updates and place them under the usual /usr/ports/packages structure. Al I should mention Al here provided the code to add an interactive update option to portmanager. With version 0.2.9_3 portmanager-ui will let you make Y/N decisions on which ports to update. I've just submitted it to FreeBSD so should be in the Tree sometime in the next 24 hours. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:52:25 +, Chris Hodgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent. Does it leave packages for everything or is just thunderbird that does this? It will create packages for every port that it updates and place them under the usual /usr/ports/packages structure. Al -- LJ: http://www.livejournal.com/users/everlone GPG/PGP: http://www.no-dns-yet.org.uk/~everlone/pubkey.gpg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:12:21 -0800, Michael C. Shultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 13 March 2005 04:06 pm, Alistair Sutton wrote: On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:52:25 +, Chris Hodgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent. Does it leave packages for everything or is just thunderbird that does this? It will create packages for every port that it updates and place them under the usual /usr/ports/packages structure. Al I should mention Al here provided the code to add an interactive update option to portmanager. With version 0.2.9_3 portmanager-ui will let you make Y/N decisions on which ports to update. I've just submitted it to FreeBSD so should be in the Tree sometime in the next 24 hours. And so my plan for world domination starts ;-) Al -- LJ: http://www.livejournal.com/users/everlone GPG/PGP: http://www.no-dns-yet.org.uk/~everlone/pubkey.gpg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
On Sunday 13 March 2005 04:11 pm, Alistair Sutton wrote: On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:13:35 -0800, Michael C. Shultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One other thing just to let you know, I've been testing portmanager against this new gnome update, when its done there is a bunch of gstreamer-plugins-* left un-upgraded. I'm about 3% through the upgrade for that now. I had it going this afternoon when I was mucking around at a friend's workplace. I'm sure I've seen it mention that some gstreamer-plugins needed upgrading but I've not paid that much attention :-) I just tried pkg_delete -f gstreamer-plugins-* on them and let portmanager -u bring them back in, it seems to be working but I also cvsup'ed and there is so many new changes it will be awhile before I know for sure. I'll let you know if my system gets upgraded without any issues or if the gstreamer stuff still needs manual attention. Al Thanks All, its running OK on my system but there are 55 more ports still to upgrade! I hope yours is a little faster. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
On 03/13/05 15:57:23, Chris Hodgins wrote: Michael C. Shultz wrote: On Sunday 13 March 2005 12:38 pm, you wrote: Michael C. Shultz wrote: On Sunday 13 March 2005 12:05 pm, Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote: If I just do: cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile portmanager -u Do I need portupgrade at all then? Thanks. Not for upgrading. portsclean (a part of portsupgrade package) is a nice feature of portupgrade, so is pkg_which and a few others so I keep portupgrade around just the same. -Mike How long does it take to run portmanager. Is it a similar amount of time as portupgrade for each run? Chris That is a tough question here is how it tends to work for me: First I run it everyday since I'm developing it I have to know if there is anything changed in ports that is going to cause portmanager to crash. Most days it takes less than an hour, but sometimes when just one lower level port like gettext for example is updated it may take 24 hours to finish. I'm using a 1ghz machine with both gnome and kde (all together about 300 installed ports) as an example. Here is exactly how portmanager works: First dependent ports that are out of date are upgraded, then everything that depends on them are upgraded. portupgrade does not work this same way so the time comparison is very tough to predict. -Mike Ah I see. So portmanager is sort of doing the equivelant to: portupgrade -fr myOutOfDatePort ?? Does this not mean it will always be slower than portupgrade? If it a low-level port it is going to take ages but if it is high-level it will start to get closer to the time it takes for portupgrade to run. Never faster? Or am I missing something. Is there a reason it does it this way over portupgrades method? Chris ___ I think there is no big difference between just running portupgrade vs portmanager. I would say portmanager is better and faster because you don't need to baby sit, it is really automagical, and there is no messing with an index. To upgrade one high level port will take that same time on both, if you don't have to pkgdb -F or fiddle with the index. If it is a low level port portmanager will likely take longer, but get it done right the first time. If portupgrade finishes first it likely missed some cross dependancies and you will have to do it by hand after you have done some trouble shooting. The best part about portmanager for is NO RUBY! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:13:35 -0800, Michael C. Shultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One other thing just to let you know, I've been testing portmanager against this new gnome update, when its done there is a bunch of gstreamer-plugins-* left un-upgraded. I'm about 3% through the upgrade for that now. I had it going this afternoon when I was mucking around at a friend's workplace. I'm sure I've seen it mention that some gstreamer-plugins needed upgrading but I've not paid that much attention :-) I just tried pkg_delete -f gstreamer-plugins-* on them and let portmanager -u bring them back in, it seems to be working but I also cvsup'ed and there is so many new changes it will be awhile before I know for sure. I'll let you know if my system gets upgraded without any issues or if the gstreamer stuff still needs manual attention. Al -- LJ: http://www.livejournal.com/users/everlone GPG/PGP: http://www.no-dns-yet.org.uk/~everlone/pubkey.gpg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If I have portmanager, do I need portupgrade?
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:28:14 -1000, Robert Marella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like Chris I have packages scattered in my ports directories. I have just started using Portmanager. I have now created /usr/ports/packages directory. Do I need to move the packages one at a time from the individual ports directories? Will running portmanager again find them and move them? I don't think portmanager will find and move them but if the port gets upgraded again then it'll recreate the packages in /usr/ports/packages. The best thing would possibly be to just search for all *.tbz files under /usr/ports and move them into /usr/ports/packages/All if you want them all in the same place. I don't think it will affect any distfiles but I'm not sure if there are any that have a .tbz suffix. Al -- LJ: http://www.livejournal.com/users/everlone GPG/PGP: http://www.no-dns-yet.org.uk/~everlone/pubkey.gpg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
