Re: basic
On Wednesday 06 May 2009 21:09:07 Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 06:00:32PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: 10 GOTO 10 On Wed, 6 May 2009 14:32:47 +0200, giorgio novello gio@vodafone.it wrote: Do you want obtain new market share? Develop e visual-basic like language, or asp vb and your OS will be a best seller FreeBSD isn't for beginners, it's for professionals. Everyone is a beginner sometime. So, FreeBSD is for beginners. Otherwise there would be no FreeBSD --- or you. What he means is that FreeBSD does no hand holding or hide stuff because you don't need access to it anyway. Also, there aren't many that started computing on FreeBSD. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: basic
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 09:03:36AM +0200, Mel Flynn wrote: On Wednesday 06 May 2009 21:09:07 Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 06:00:32PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: 10 GOTO 10 On Wed, 6 May 2009 14:32:47 +0200, giorgio novello gio@vodafone.it wrote: Do you want obtain new market share? Develop e visual-basic like language, or asp vb and your OS will be a best seller FreeBSD isn't for beginners, it's for professionals. Everyone is a beginner sometime. So, FreeBSD is for beginners. Otherwise there would be no FreeBSD --- or you. What he means is that FreeBSD does no hand holding or hide stuff because you don't need access to it anyway. Also, there aren't many that started computing on FreeBSD. I know what he thinks he means. But, what he says is that improvements are against the ethic of FreeBSD and that simply is not true. jerry -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: basic
On Thu, 7 May 2009 09:53:19 -0400, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: I know what he thinks he means. But, what he says is that improvements are against the ethic of FreeBSD and that simply is not true. Never said such thing. In fact, there are many improvements I'd like to see in FreeBSD, as well as in the applications provided for this OS (which tend to be sponsored by Bloaty more and more). FreeBSD is in fact an excellent OS for beginners, because it teaches the basics - the things that are REALLY important when you want to do something with computers, expecially when you want to do this as a job to make money with it. Stupidly clicking on squeaking and dancing buttons is nothing intelligency is needed for. FreeBSD, on the other hand, improves learning habits, extends knowledge and leads to precious experiences. I don't know much about the ethic of FreeBSD, because I use it as an OS, not as a church. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: basic
On Wed 2009-05-06 14:32:47 UTC+0200, giorgio novello (gio@vodafone.it) wrote: Develop e visual-basic like language, or asp vb and your OS will be a best seller The OP is likely trolling, but reminded me of the Lazarus project. It's loosely based on Borland Delphi and is apparently quite good for VB-like RAD development. It's in FreeBSD ports tree. http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: basic
2009/5/6 giorgio novello gio@vodafone.it: Do you want obtain new market share? Develop e visual-basic like language, or asp vb and your OS will be a best seller Regards Giorgio Novello Vb developer Italy But VB only works on one platform! Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: basic
comne on now, its not even april first. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:32 PM, giorgio novello gio@vodafone.it wrote: Do you want obtain new market share? Develop e visual-basic like language, or asp vb and your OS will be a best seller Regards Giorgio Novello Vb developer Italy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: basic
10 GOTO 10 On Wed, 6 May 2009 14:32:47 +0200, giorgio novello gio@vodafone.it wrote: Do you want obtain new market share? Develop e visual-basic like language, or asp vb and your OS will be a best seller FreeBSD isn't for beginners, it's for professionals. There wouldn't be Visual BEGINNERs All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code, but isual PROFESSIONALSs All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code, Visual Pasic, VP. It already exists: The tools for making Qt and Gtk+ applications. Then, there are NetBeans and Eclipse and so on - everything already there. :-) Furthermore, FreeBSD isn't sold. So it doesn't have to care about market share and best seller. And for the weekend: 10 GOTO KNEIPE 20 INPUT BIER -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: basic
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 06:00:32PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 6 May 2009 14:32:47 +0200, giorgio novello gio@vodafone.it wrote: Do you want obtain new market share? Develop e visual-basic like language, or asp vb and your OS will be a best seller FreeBSD isn't for beginners, it's for professionals. There wouldn't be Visual BEGINNERs All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code, but isual PROFESSIONALSs All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code, Visual Pasic, VP. It already exists: The tools for making Qt and Gtk+ applications. Then, there are NetBeans and Eclipse and so on - everything already there. :-) Well, programming languages and environments are a matter of personal choice and taste, and there *are* coders who use VB professionally, i.e. to make a living. Actually an awful lot of them (*shudder*). And let's not forget Mono for the runtime arch, which runs on FreeBSD: /usr/ports/lang/mono If VB runs under Wine (?), it could theorically be used to create NET code which could run via mono, i.e. all under FreeBSD. Of course, software written with wxWidgets, Qt, et. al. (either with C++ or indirectly using Perl, Python, ... bindings) would be much more portable... ;-) And for the weekend: 10 GOTO KNEIPE 20 INPUT BIER You forgot the most important step: 30 GOTO 20 -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: basic
That's a great idea...let's take a wonderful open source project and flood it with Windows programmers who couldn't find the shell even if they booted without a GUI. And while we're at it, let's re-write the shell in .NET...you know...for performance reasons. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:32 AM, giorgio novello gio@vodafone.it wrote: Do you want obtain new market share? Develop e visual-basic like language, or asp vb and your OS will be a best seller Regards Giorgio Novello Vb developer Italy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Computers are like air conditioners... They quit working when you open Windows. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: basic
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 06:00:32PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: 10 GOTO 10 On Wed, 6 May 2009 14:32:47 +0200, giorgio novello gio@vodafone.it wrote: Do you want obtain new market share? Develop e visual-basic like language, or asp vb and your OS will be a best seller FreeBSD isn't for beginners, it's for professionals. Everyone is a beginner sometime. So, FreeBSD is for beginners. Otherwise there would be no FreeBSD --- or you. jerry There wouldn't be Visual BEGINNERs All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code, but isual PROFESSIONALSs All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code, Visual Pasic, VP. It already exists: The tools for making Qt and Gtk+ applications. Then, there are NetBeans and Eclipse and so on - everything already there. :-) Furthermore, FreeBSD isn't sold. So it doesn't have to care about market share and best seller. And for the weekend: 10 GOTO KNEIPE 20 INPUT BIER -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: basic
That project already exist it is called linux... -fred- On May 6, 2009, at 9:08 AM, J Sisson wrote: That's a great idea...let's take a wonderful open source project and flood it with Windows programmers who couldn't find the shell even if they booted without a GUI. And while we're at it, let's re-write the shell in .NET...you know...for performance reasons. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:32 AM, giorgio novello gio@vodafone.it wrote: Do you want obtain new market share? Develop e visual-basic like language, or asp vb and your OS will be a best seller Regards Giorgio Novello Vb developer Italy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Computers are like air conditioners... They quit working when you open Windows. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: basic
LMAO! Touché! Seriously though, can't we all just get along? :) -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Fred C Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 1:52 PM To: J Sisson Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: basic That project already exist it is called linux... -fred- On May 6, 2009, at 9:08 AM, J Sisson wrote: That's a great idea...let's take a wonderful open source project and flood it with Windows programmers who couldn't find the shell even if they booted without a GUI. And while we're at it, let's re-write the shell in .NET...you know...for performance reasons. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:32 AM, giorgio novello gio@vodafone.it wrote: Do you want obtain new market share? Develop e visual-basic like language, or asp vb and your OS will be a best seller Regards Giorgio Novello Vb developer Italy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Computers are like air conditioners... They quit working when you open Windows. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: basic
On May 6, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: LMAO! Touché! Seriously though, can't we all just get along? :) I have no problem with linux I am using it every day at work it is installed on more than 2000 servers. But with all the incoherences in the tools and the os, I feel sometime like I am working on Windows. -fred- -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org ] On Behalf Of Fred C Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 1:52 PM To: J Sisson Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: basic That project already exist it is called linux... -fred- On May 6, 2009, at 9:08 AM, J Sisson wrote: That's a great idea...let's take a wonderful open source project and flood it with Windows programmers who couldn't find the shell even if they booted without a GUI. And while we're at it, let's re-write the shell in .NET...you know...for performance reasons. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:32 AM, giorgio novello gio@vodafone.it wrote: Do you want obtain new market share? Develop e visual-basic like language, or asp vb and your OS will be a best seller Regards Giorgio Novello Vb developer Italy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Computers are like air conditioners... They quit working when you open Windows. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: basic
On Wed 06 May 2009 at 13:15:34 PDT Fred C wrote: On May 6, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: LMAO! Touché! Seriously though, can't we all just get along? :) I have no problem with linux I am using it every day at work it is installed on more than 2000 servers. But with all the incoherences in the tools and the os, I feel sometime like I am working on Windows. I suspect the OP was trolling. The giveaway is his suggestion that following his advice would make FreeBSD a best seller. This reflects a complete lack of awareness of what FreeBSD is all about. Setting aside the fact that FreeBSD is not a commercial product and thus has nothing to sell, he also presumes that our primary goal is to increase the size of our userbase and that we are willing to make whatever accommodations are necessary to achieve that goal. But unless I'm mistaken, that isn't FreeBSD's goal. FreeBSD's goal is to provide a freely-available implementation of BSD Unix for the most common hardware. New users who are looking for a BSD Unix are welcome, but they are expected to adapt to FreeBSD's way of doing things and not vice versa. The current userbase is large enough to suggest that many people have no problem with those terms. As for the suggestion that what FreeBSD needs is VB, there have already been various ports of Basic over the years. None of them seem to have had much success. BSD users seem to be content with traditional shell scripting, perl, or newer scripting languages like python -- all of which better reflect the Unix philosophy than VB does. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: basic
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 01:59:41PM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote: On Wed 06 May 2009 at 13:15:34 PDT Fred C wrote: On May 6, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: LMAO! Touché! Seriously though, can't we all just get along? :) I have no problem with linux I am using it every day at work it is installed on more than 2000 servers. But with all the incoherences in the tools and the os, I feel sometime like I am working on Windows. I suspect the OP was trolling. The giveaway is his suggestion that following his advice would make FreeBSD a best seller. This reflects a complete lack of awareness of what FreeBSD is all about. Setting aside the fact that FreeBSD is not a commercial product and thus has nothing to sell, he also presumes that our primary goal is to increase the size of our userbase and that we are willing to make whatever accommodations are necessary to achieve that goal. But unless I'm mistaken, that isn't FreeBSD's goal. FreeBSD's goal is to provide a freely-available implementation of BSD Unix for the most common hardware. New users who are looking for a BSD Unix are welcome, but they are expected to adapt to FreeBSD's way of doing things and not vice versa. The current userbase is large enough to suggest that many people have no problem with those terms. As for the suggestion that what FreeBSD needs is VB, there have already been various ports of Basic over the years. None of them seem to have had much success. BSD users seem to be content with traditional shell scripting, perl, or newer scripting languages like python -- all of which better reflect the Unix philosophy than VB does. The only thing I miss about basic was the ease of playing the speaker on a pc. I wrote a number of odd-scaled and timed loops in Basic many years ago - circa 1980, pre Visual Basic actually, as tests of the effects of tone intervals and tone spacing and wouldn't mind resurecting them and doing some more experimenting. I know there are all kinds of more sophisticated things available, but the simplicity of it then just suited what I was trying to do. It would be easy enough to rewrite the loops in something like Perl, but is it as easy to make the tones and control the time intervals? I don't remember seeing that other places. Otherwise, the only other reason for Basic nowdays, as far as I can see, is for nostalgia -- anyone remember PP coding on CDC 6000 and 170 series mainframes? Now that's nostalgia. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: basic
You're sick! If it's not some killer RAD tool with OO everything and a pretty GUI to type in, who would write code in such a thing? Yes - I'm being sarcastic! Can we kill this thread now? Pretty soon it will be like the PC-BSD thread and the I must have a pretty GUI installer thread! -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Jerry McAllister Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:23 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: basic On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 01:59:41PM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote: On Wed 06 May 2009 at 13:15:34 PDT Fred C wrote: On May 6, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: LMAO! Touché! Seriously though, can't we all just get along? :) I have no problem with linux I am using it every day at work it is installed on more than 2000 servers. But with all the incoherences in the tools and the os, I feel sometime like I am working on Windows. I suspect the OP was trolling. The giveaway is his suggestion that following his advice would make FreeBSD a best seller. This reflects a complete lack of awareness of what FreeBSD is all about. Setting aside the fact that FreeBSD is not a commercial product and thus has nothing to sell, he also presumes that our primary goal is to increase the size of our userbase and that we are willing to make whatever accommodations are necessary to achieve that goal. But unless I'm mistaken, that isn't FreeBSD's goal. FreeBSD's goal is to provide a freely-available implementation of BSD Unix for the most common hardware. New users who are looking for a BSD Unix are welcome, but they are expected to adapt to FreeBSD's way of doing things and not vice versa. The current userbase is large enough to suggest that many people have no problem with those terms. As for the suggestion that what FreeBSD needs is VB, there have already been various ports of Basic over the years. None of them seem to have had much success. BSD users seem to be content with traditional shell scripting, perl, or newer scripting languages like python -- all of which better reflect the Unix philosophy than VB does. The only thing I miss about basic was the ease of playing the speaker on a pc. I wrote a number of odd-scaled and timed loops in Basic many years ago - circa 1980, pre Visual Basic actually, as tests of the effects of tone intervals and tone spacing and wouldn't mind resurecting them and doing some more experimenting. I know there are all kinds of more sophisticated things available, but the simplicity of it then just suited what I was trying to do. It would be easy enough to rewrite the loops in something like Perl, but is it as easy to make the tones and control the time intervals? I don't remember seeing that other places. Otherwise, the only other reason for Basic nowdays, as far as I can see, is for nostalgia -- anyone remember PP coding on CDC 6000 and 170 series mainframes? Now that's nostalgia. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Basic Port Management.Is there any?
On 10/31/05, George Katsanos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello ! , As a fresh Freebsd user[and fan] I am trying to set up my WM / X environment and choose the apps I will use for basic stuff. Text Editors , Image viewers , Mail apps , FileManagers. So after I see some screenshots [it would be very nice and handy if some screenshots could be added to the freebsd.org/ports database] I'm making install the port to check it out. Some times , I decided that I don't like it . So my first though is to get rid of it , cause I don't want ''trash'' on my system. I'm making deinstall [or pkg_delete] to remove it. Everything ok so far , but what about the one zillion dependant pkg's the app made? You can say , do a pkg_delete -r . Yes but this will may delete also pkgs that are Needed by other ports/apps.. Is there any good plan solution for this ?... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just take it easy :-) Most ports try to behave, so unless you're very short of disk space, just let them be there. Once in a while, you can install a tool that deals with leafs (there are a few in ports collection). Leafs are ports that are not needed by anything, so you can safely delete them. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic Port Management.Is there any?
Monday 31 October 2005 10:00 skrev George Katsanos: Hello ! , As a fresh Freebsd user[and fan] I am trying to set up my WM / X environment and choose the apps I will use for basic stuff. Text Editors , Image viewers , Mail apps , FileManagers. So after I see some screenshots [it would be very nice and handy if some screenshots could be added to the freebsd.org/ports database] I'm making install the port to check it out. Some times , I decided that I don't like it . So my first though is to get rid of it , cause I don't want ''trash'' on my system. I'm making deinstall [or pkg_delete] to remove it. Everything ok so far , but what about the one zillion dependant pkg's the app made? You can say , do a pkg_delete -r . Yes but this will may delete also pkgs that are Needed by other ports/apps.. Is there any good plan solution for this ?... well.. if you issue a `pkg_info -r pkg_name` command you will see all the packages that the package pkg_name depends on.. As for ports' management I'd recommend installing sysutils/portupgrade some people like sysutils/portmanager better though.. but I can't really say I'm familliar with that though.. the portupgrade port is a set of utilities to help you manage your installed ports.. it's got pkg_deinstall which seems to have what you seek pkg_deinstall -R would deinstall a package's dependencies as well ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic Port Management.Is there any?
George Katsanos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As a fresh Freebsd user[and fan] I am trying to set up my WM / X environment and choose the apps I will use for basic stuff. Text Editors , Image viewers , Mail apps , FileManagers. So after I see some screenshots [it would be very nice and handy if some screenshots could be added to the freebsd.org/ports database] I'm making install the port to check it out. Some times , I decided that I don't like it . So my first though is to get rid of it , cause I don't want ''trash'' on my system. I'm making deinstall [or pkg_delete] to remove it. Everything ok so far , but what about the one zillion dependant pkg's the app made? You can say , do a pkg_delete -r . Yes but this will may delete also pkgs that are Needed by other ports/apps.. Is there any good plan solution for this ?... sysutils/cutleaves ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic FreeBSD firewall and patching questions.
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Daniel Pittman wrote: It looks to me like either ipf or ipfilter are equally good, and have about the same capabilities, as well as being provided as part of the base system. Is there any good, technical reason why I should prefer one to the other? ipfilter is simpler less featured and may at first be easier to maintain, but they share much the same syntax. The most significant thing you don't find in pf is groups. groups are conceptually like chains or tables under linux. So in pf you have to be more carefull keeping things in order. OTOH, pf has queing and enables you to set priorities or reserve bandwidth to certain types of traffic. If you need traffic accounting, then I have yet to see something that works for pf, while with ipfilter it's fairly easy. My second question is about updating the firewall rules: under Linux, I use a helper program that loads the firewall rules into the kernel, then waits for me to confirm that it worked. ipfilter maintains two rulesets, an active and an inactive and you can swap them. So to do that you'd: # ipf -FI ipf -I -f rulefile ipf -S sleep 60 ipf -S ipf -FI Which will flush the inactive ruleset (just to be sure it's empty), load your rules into it, swap, sleep 60 seconds to let you test you can get back in, swap again and flush the inactive ruleset to clear up. In pf there is no such thing, you will have to keep a backup of the old ruleset, then: # pfctl -n -f newrules pfctl -FA pfctl -f newrules sleep 60 pfctl -FA pfctl -f oldrules The first command just parses the rules, this will catch syntax errors, but won't catch syntactically correct typos. Also, with ipfilter you can fairly easy delete a specific rule or insert a rule a specific place in the ruleset. With pf this is more dificult. I have, at the moment, 5.4-RELEASE #0 according to uname. I suspect that means the very first release of 5.4, correct? In which case, I need to update the FreeBSD core. Yes, 5.4 was released almost a year ago. There have been security updated in both kernel and userland. The handbook really isn't clear on this, and previous discussion on this list about the virtues of 'make world' vs patches, etc, didn't really clear things up for me. Well, right know you wan't to cvsup your src - it's the fastest way to get everything up to date. I think patching should be done for smaller updates and security patches. You might try that next time. So: how can I bring this up to the latest stable release in the 5.4 series? Check the handbook Chp 20. For production servers, in particular if they are critical like firewalls, you want to go with the stable branch. Once that is done, is there any equivalent to the 'portaudit' tool to check the system and warn me if there are outstanding changes on the release branch? Security advisories are sent to: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * FreeBSD-security@FreeBSD.org * FreeBSD-announce@FreeBSD.org Cheers, Erik ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic FreeBSD firewall and patching questions.
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Foo Ji-Haw wrote: Thanks for the brief breakdown on ipf and ipfilter. But what about ipfw? I like the 'auto-swap ruleset' feature, as well as account. Does ipfw do them as well? Thanks. No idea, never used it and I don´t plan to. I'm using pf now, it does what I need although I miss the two mentioned features, and I see no reason to change. I asked on the openbsd list for the ability to have an inactive ruleset and swap for the very same reasons you want it, and got flamed: why would you ever want that?, you can keep a backup in a file, why wouldn't you want to have 10 or 100 rulesets?, you can check your ruleset with pfctl -n, it won't load if there are errors. They didn't get that the checks catches only syntactically incorrect errors, not those typos that can lock you out while strictly correct - like 10.0.0.0/2 instead of 10.0.0.0/24. So don't request it. Same thing for groups. Cheers, Erik___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic FreeBSD firewall and patching questions.
Daniel Pittman wrote: It looks to me like either ipf or ipfilter are equally good, and have about the same capabilities, While you are getting started and to test rules you could use /etc/hosts.allow also. You may already be familiar with it from other OSs.. We use to keep a list of what IPs can ssh into our machines. Biggest drawback.. only works with apps that support it. I have, at the moment, 5.4-RELEASE #0 according to uname. I suspect that means the very first release of 5.4, correct? In which case, I need to update the FreeBSD core. You want to use cvsup to update the source. So: how can I bring this up to the latest stable release in the 5.4 series? My advice is to get cvsup installed, get latest source, recompile all. Specially now that you are not in production. Should have all the info, but whatever aspects are not clear you can ask here in the list. Once that is done, is there any equivalent to the 'portaudit' tool to check the system and warn me if there are outstanding changes on the release branch? There are several audit tools in the ports. I am not familiar with any, but until you find one you like you can use mtree. Also for machines that you have physical access to or have remote kvm you could also look at the security profiles. Basically you can set rights such that a number of changes can only be done in single user mode. I have never used it, but I think it could possibly help to make a machine more tamper resistant. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: basic install question - what am I missing?
On Aug 26, 2005, at 7:14 PM, D. Goss wrote: Sorry to have to ask this but I'm stuck... I've had FreeBSD 5.4 installed on an IBM xSeries 345 (the same box) many times. I've been experimenting with (a) the stock setup and then (b) adding a ServeRAID card which led to (c) an Adaptec (ASR-2230) RAID card (software management exists that runs under Linux mode). All has been well until stage (c). After setting up logical drive from RAID5 array using either of the two FreeBSD install CDs that I have (normal ISO and network install ISO) lead to: Building the boot loader arguments Looking up /BOOT/LOADER... Found Load Error: 0x12 Could not find Primary Volume Descriptor I have tried removing the Adaptec card and reverting to stock mode... same error. I have checked the BIOS on the machine and for the heck of it reset it to the default configuration. I've double checked cabling and am out of things to try. Can someone please shed some light on this one? I've Googled my error message and only come up with things relating to older hardware. Also, I've had FreeBSD installed on this machine fine from the ISOs. I re-downloaded the net install ISO and burnt it, same problem. I didn't get a response yet so maybe I can simplify my question (and make it more machine independent). Can someone tell me what exactly happening when the primary volume descriptor can't be found so maybe I can take some guesses at where to start hunting for what changed on my machine? I'm lost as to where to hunt, I'm gussing it's BIOS settable since machine was working before in this configuration... Thanks - d. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic AVI command-line editing
+++ Andrew P. [freebsd] [17-07-05 14:12 +0400]: | Hello! | | I have a headless file server with hundreds of avi-files. I was | wondering if there's a means of some basic command-line editing - like | concatenation and stream processing. I checked with the ports | collection - but there's no such tool. Does anyone know a suitable | program? Maybe just some script? mencoder? It comes with mplayer. Regards, Shantanoo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic AVI command-line editing
2005/7/17, Andrew P. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello! I have a headless file server with hundreds of avi-files. I was wondering if there's a means of some basic command-line editing - like concatenation and stream processing. I checked with the ports collection - but there's no such tool. Does anyone know a suitable program? Maybe just some script? I'm already reading MS AVI and OpenDML docs, as I feel that I'll have to write it myself... Thanks, Andrew P. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can concatenate files with cat. Regards, Ron ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic AVI command-line editing
On 7/17/05, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2005/7/17, Andrew P. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello! I have a headless file server with hundreds of avi-files. I was wondering if there's a means of some basic command-line editing - like concatenation and stream processing. I checked with the ports collection - but there's no such tool. Does anyone know a suitable program? Maybe just some script? I'm already reading MS AVI and OpenDML docs, as I feel that I'll have to write it myself... Thanks, Andrew P. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can concatenate files with cat. Regards, Ron Yeah, but it's not that simple with avi, you've got to update headers and index carefully. Andrew P. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic AVI command-line editing
On 7/17/05, Shantanoo Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +++ Andrew P. [freebsd] [17-07-05 14:12 +0400]: | Hello! | | I have a headless file server with hundreds of avi-files. I was | wondering if there's a means of some basic command-line editing - like | concatenation and stream processing. I checked with the ports | collection - but there's no such tool. Does anyone know a suitable | program? Maybe just some script? mencoder? It comes with mplayer. Regards, Shantanoo Thanks, I'll look into that. It's a pity it doesn't come separately from mplayer (and without xorg dependency). Best wishes, Andrew P. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic AVI command-line editing
On Sunday 17 July 2005 12:22, Andrew P. wrote: Thanks, I'll look into that. It's a pity it doesn't come separately from mplayer (and without xorg dependency). There's no enforced X dependancy. In the past I used mplayer/mencoder on a box with no X via svgalib on the console. You can even use it with the aa driver in text mode :-) -- Dave ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic AVI command-line editing
On Sunday 17 July 2005 06:12 am, Andrew P. wrote: Hello! I have a headless file server with hundreds of avi-files. I was wondering if there's a means of some basic command-line editing - like concatenation and stream processing. I checked with the ports collection - but there's no such tool. Does anyone know a suitable program? Maybe just some script? I'm already reading MS AVI and OpenDML docs, as I feel that I'll have to write it myself... Avidemux2 should have this capability soon. The core scripting engine now uses Spidermonkey (ECMAScript/Javascript). I'm not sure if the X dependency will be removed for the initial 2.1 branch, but the code is being restructured so there is no longer a GUI dependency in the backend code. This is more of an FYI since I'm anticipating a beta release in the next month or two. -- Anish Mistry pgpBbeuywzCJW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Basic AVI command-line editing
now im not sure about your specific needs, but transcode is the program i usually use for conversion and stream processing. its completely run off the command line. /usr/ports/multimedia/transcode. hope this may help, Ben Anish Mistry wrote: On Sunday 17 July 2005 06:12 am, Andrew P. wrote: Hello! I have a headless file server with hundreds of avi-files. I was wondering if there's a means of some basic command-line editing - like concatenation and stream processing. I checked with the ports collection - but there's no such tool. Does anyone know a suitable program? Maybe just some script? I'm already reading MS AVI and OpenDML docs, as I feel that I'll have to write it myself... Avidemux2 should have this capability soon. The core scripting engine now uses Spidermonkey (ECMAScript/Javascript). I'm not sure if the X dependency will be removed for the initial 2.1 branch, but the code is being restructured so there is no longer a GUI dependency in the backend code. This is more of an FYI since I'm anticipating a beta release in the next month or two. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic AVI command-line editing
On 7/17/05, Shantanoo Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +++ Andrew P. [17-07-05 15:22 +0400]: | Thanks, I'll look into that. It's a pity it doesn't come separately | from mplayer (and without xorg dependency). Also have a look at the o/p of following command: cd /usr/ports make search name=avi | less Regards, Shantanoo Well, I did it before and there's not much, but I found an utility named avinfo in multimedia section. As a matter of fact, it was written by my former schoolmate, what a small world indeed. The source code contains almost everything I need to know about major container formats. Thanks again, Andrew P. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic grep isn't working for me
Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This command has always worked before, but we recently moved to a new server and now it isn't. --- su-2.05b# /usr/local/bin/keychain | grep -c existing KeyChain 2.5.1; http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/keychain/ Copyright 2002-2004 Gentoo Foundation; Distributed under the GPL * Found existing ssh-agent (84261) 0 --- Any help would be much appreciated. It is printing its output on standard error, not standard output. In sh, you could do this by redirecting standard error onto standard output: $ keychain 21 |grep exist * Found existing ssh-agent (46206) $ but you can't do that in csh-type shells. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Basic Info on Wireless Router Installation and Performance
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Perry Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:33 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Basic Info on Wireless Router Installation and Performance Ted, What linebacker did you have in mind? Bob, who is your telephone company? Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic Info on Wireless Router Installation and Performance
On (01/21/05 22:41), Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: From: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bob Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED], freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Basic Info on Wireless Router Installation and Performance Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:41:41 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Perry Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 12:37 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Basic Info on Wireless Router Installation and Performance Just joined an ISP that has agreed to provide residential DSL service. Their service is normally limited to commercial operations but they made the offer based on the fact that my OS was FreeBSD. At this stage we have determined that only one of three phone jacks in my apartment is able to sync-up with the DSL. The options, thus far, are to fix the inside phone wiring or install a wireless router. Hi Bob, I see a lot of people are telling you to install wireless but in my experienced opinion, you need to fix your wiring. Your never going to have stable service if you don't, even if you put the DSL modem next to the building MPOE (Median Point of Entry). Go wireless if you want to but get your inside wiring fixed. What we do around here is have people with this kind of problem sign up for Line-Backer insurance from the phone company, wait a few days, then call a trouble ticket into the phone company. (Line Backer is a Qwest product, other phone companies have similar programs) This covers all your inside wiring and the phone techs will come out and fix it properly and you won't get hit with a $150 charge for inside wiring repair. Want to thank everyone for their input. The project remains open because the one phone jack which was providing a steady connection is no longer cooperating. In this instance, it looks like the hot ticket is to get a stable connection first. But again I want to thank everyone for sharing their personal experiences and providing some valuable information. Ted, What linebacker did you have in mind? Bob Perry -- I've learned that whatever hits the fan will not be evenly distributed. FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE-p2 #0 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Basic Info on Wireless Router Installation and Performance
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Perry Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 12:37 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Basic Info on Wireless Router Installation and Performance Just joined an ISP that has agreed to provide residential DSL service. Their service is normally limited to commercial operations but they made the offer based on the fact that my OS was FreeBSD. At this stage we have determined that only one of three phone jacks in my apartment is able to sync-up with the DSL. The options, thus far, are to fix the inside phone wiring or install a wireless router. Hi Bob, I see a lot of people are telling you to install wireless but in my experienced opinion, you need to fix your wiring. Your never going to have stable service if you don't, even if you put the DSL modem next to the building MPOE (Median Point of Entry). Go wireless if you want to but get your inside wiring fixed. What we do around here is have people with this kind of problem sign up for Line-Backer insurance from the phone company, wait a few days, then call a trouble ticket into the phone company. (Line Backer is a Qwest product, other phone companies have similar programs) This covers all your inside wiring and the phone techs will come out and fix it properly and you won't get hit with a $150 charge for inside wiring repair. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic Info on Wireless Router Installation and Performance
FWIW, stay away from Linksys if you can help it. I used to love them for basic stuff, but once I wanted to do more advanced stuff like bridging and having Client APs, i hit all kinds of problems...even getting 2 identical APs to talk to each other. I've gotten D-Link every since and been happy. I haven't tried Linksys since Cisco has taken over and help them fix some of their products, but I don't know that it's worth the risk. On that note, you can also get a Cisco solution if you have the money (separate router and AP)...but sometimes it's just not worth it. I just got at NewEgg, a DLink 802.11g pack with a wireless router and PCMCIA NIC, with their Super G or whatever it's called technology, for 98 bux...something to consider. --Brian On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:37:07 -0500, Bob Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just joined an ISP that has agreed to provide residential DSL service. Their service is normally limited to commercial operations but they made the offer based on the fact that my OS was FreeBSD. At this stage we have determined that only one of three phone jacks in my apartment is able to sync-up with the DSL. The options, thus far, are to fix the inside phone wiring or install a wireless router. I know little about wireless routers but have started some research and will continue. However, thought I would also touch base with the mailing list to see what information/experience members are willing to pass along. Would appreciate it you would direct me to relevant resource material for further review. If you have the time, please respond with your thoughts re hardware/software, installation, stability, and security issues as they relate to wireless routers and FreeBSD. I also just purchased the 5.3 CD set and will replace my 4.9 box with it. Thanks, Bob Perry -- I've learned that whatever hits the fan will not be evenly distributed. FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE-p2 #0 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic Info on Wireless Router Installation and Performance
Bob Perry wrote: Just joined an ISP that has agreed to provide residential DSL service. Their service is normally limited to commercial operations but they made the offer based on the fact that my OS was FreeBSD. Cool At this stage we have determined that only one of three phone jacks in my apartment is able to sync-up with the DSL. The options, thus far, are to fix the inside phone wiring or install a wireless router. I know little about wireless routers but have started some research and will continue. However, thought I would also touch base with the mailing list to see what information/experience members are willing to pass along. Would appreciate it you would direct me to relevant resource material for further review. If you have the time, please respond with your thoughts re hardware/software, installation, stability, and security issues as they relate to wireless routers and FreeBSD. OK, I need a diagram, I am having the same thoughts, my network will be like this: +-AP)) | INET --- ADSL-router FBSD gw ---+-AP)) | My plan is to let the AP's be plain and stupid and let FBSD do the work, is this what you are thinking about? Really, than the AP works more like a switch and the FBSD gw is the router doing NAT and internat access control. O'Reily has two books that might interest you, one on 802.11 security goes through setup for Linux Free and OpenBSD based hosts and gateways, the other on building wireless community networks. The first book is far the most interesting. The other get lost in antennas, polarization and stuff and just doesn't cover much about how to extend the network beyond the reach of the first AP. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org S/MIME Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/2004071206.crt Subject ID: A9:76:7A:ED:06:95:2B:8D:48:97:CE:F2:3F:42:C8:F2:22:DE:4C:B9 Fingerprint: 4A:E8:63:38:46:F6:9A:5D:B4:DC:29:41:3F:62:D3:0A:73:25:67:C2 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic Info on Wireless Router Installation and Performance
On 01/20/05 15:37:07, Bob Perry wrote: Just joined an ISP that has agreed to provide residential DSL service. Their service is normally limited to commercial operations but they made the offer based on the fact that my OS was FreeBSD. At this stage we have determined that only one of three phone jacks in my apartment is able to sync-up with the DSL. The options, thus far, are to fix the inside phone wiring or install a wireless router. I know little about wireless routers but have started some research and will continue. However, thought I would also touch base with the mailing list to see what information/experience members are willing to pass along. Would appreciate it you would direct me to relevant resource material for further review. If you have the time, please respond with your thoughts re hardware/software, installation, stability, and security issues as they relate to wireless routers and FreeBSD. I also just purchased the 5.3 CD set and will replace my 4.9 box with it. Thanks, Bob Perry I and my friends have used linksys. I used to love them, but they are not good for heavy duty traffic. My friend hosts his own website and runs a teamspeak server with some other small stuff. He has gone through 3 or 4 routers over maybe 2-3 years, or less. I don't know how other brands standup hardware wise, but I think you get what you pay for. For around $60 a router, thats cheap. When I have them I put a custum linksys/linux firmware on them and it becomes an almost full featured linux box. Iirc, you can only do this with linksys. Check http://sveasoft.com/ for more details on modifing your router. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BASIC WEB SERVER HELP
Satori Seal - Dale T. McGrosky wrote: The web server program will be PARADOX as this computer will access data through a Sonic wall firewall to our file server. Will FreeBSD 5.3 be a good operating system for us that will provide excellent security? From what I gathered from the web, it appears as if PARADOX is MS Windows-only software. Or am I mistaken here? mkb. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: basic freebsd programming
On Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 09:11:42PM +0300, Andrew P. wrote: The ones that are the most interesting for me now is how to write small daemons best and how to read ipfw info from a program. Of course I can refresh my C skills and gain some Unix-coding knowledge by reading a couple' thousand pages, but I don't feel like it's necessary for what I want to write - just a basic statistics collector. Of course you could do that in C, but if all you need is a program that reads the output of other programs, and presents stats on some port as a daemon (and a client to read that out), why not just go for a scripted solution in Perl or Python? Both languages are much better than C when it comes to parsing strings, and they are very good at networking too. IMHO, the only reason (besides efficiency) to write a monitoring program in C is if you don't want (or can't afford) to install a perl or python interpreter on the nodes that you want to monitor. Should I explore FreeBSD source code or is there some solid piece of documentation? That's not necessary. If you want to write that in C, you'll have to familiarize yourself with the popen(3) call for executing a program and capturing its output. Then you need a few string processing functions like str*(3) sscanf() etc... to parse the output (that's the tricky part). Finally you will need a small example of a client and server in C that uses the sockets API (that's pretty generic and not FreeBSD-specific at all, just google for it). Combine all this and voila, you've got your nice monitoring app in C. Alternatively, you could extract the info directly from the kernel by performing exactly the same steps that your utility program (ipfw...) does, but it's overkill for such a simple app. But again, consider giving Python a try. It's well worth it for such basic tasks. Best wishes, Andrew P. Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: basic freebsd programming
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 09:11:42PM +0300, Andrew P. wrote: The ones that are the most interesting for me now is how to write small daemons best and how to read ipfw info from a program. Of course I can refresh my C skills and gain some Unix-coding knowledge by reading a couple' thousand pages, but I don't feel like it's necessary for what I want to write - just a basic statistics collector. why not just go for a scripted solution in Perl or Python? Well, I am going to dump all the ipfw counters to disk (and process some data) in a loop of a single second. Perl adds too much overhead for this task. Should I explore FreeBSD source code or is there some solid piece of documentation? That's not necessary. If you want to write that in C, you'll have to familiarize yourself with the popen(3) call for executing a program and capturing its output. Then you need a few string processing functions like str*(3) sscanf() etc... to parse the output (that's the tricky part). Finally you will need a small example of a client and server in C that uses the sockets API (that's pretty generic and not FreeBSD-specific at all, just google for it). Combine all this and voila, you've got your nice monitoring app in C. As a matter of fact, I already do have a functional C program, processing and dumping data, which it gets from stdin. So I have a shell loop, invoking `ipfw show | c_program` every 10 seconds. But it seems to be ineffective. What I'm thinking about is a closer-to-real-time daemon dumper. Alternatively, you could extract the info directly from the kernel by performing exactly the same steps that your utility program (ipfw...) does, but it's overkill for such a simple app. ipfw show takes up to 0.1s and 500kb to run on my system. Which is great for manual checks, but almost unacceptable for continuous monitoring on a server under heavy load. I guess I'll have to learn how to look up the counters in the kernel. Thanks anyway! Best wishes, Andrew P. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: basic freebsd programming
On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 21:11:42 +0300, Andrew P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello and Happy New Year! I need to write some very basic C programs under FreeBSD. I am new to Unix programming and not very good at C programming either, so I'm looking for documentation on some topics. The ones that are the most interesting for me now is how to write small daemons best and how to read ipfw info from a program. Man pages help me very much, but I really need some guide. The problem is that doc project doesn't seem to have released anything like it. I looked through dev-, arch-, porters- handbooks, read design-44bsd - but I didn't find what I want. Of course I can refresh my C skills and gain some Unix-coding knowledge by reading a couple' thousand pages, but I don't feel like it's necessary for what I want to write - just a basic statistics collector. Should I explore FreeBSD source code or is there some solid piece of documentation? Best wishes, Andrew P. This could be useful: http://www.khmere.com/freebsd_book/index.html Table of Contents: * I. Introduction * Chapter 1: FreeBSD's Make * Chapter 2: Bootstrapping BSD * Chapter 3: Processes and Kernel Services * Chapter 4: Advanced Process Controls and Signals * Chapter 5: Basic I/O * Chapter 6: Advanced I/O * Chapter 7: Processes Resources and System Limits * Chapter 8: FreeBSD 5.x * All source code * Entire book in a tarball ==Adriaan== ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: basic freebsd programming
J65nko BSD wrote: This could be useful: http://www.khmere.com/freebsd_book/index.html Table of Contents: * I. Introduction * Chapter 1: FreeBSD's Make * Chapter 2: Bootstrapping BSD * Chapter 3: Processes and Kernel Services * Chapter 4: Advanced Process Controls and Signals * Chapter 5: Basic I/O * Chapter 6: Advanced I/O * Chapter 7: Processes Resources and System Limits * Chapter 8: FreeBSD 5.x * All source code * Entire book in a tarball Thanks! Kinda what I'm looking for. I'll print it and read carefully, and I'd be very glad if I knew about similar sources of information (except for official doc project). Best wishes, Andrew P. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: basic sendmail problem
David Syphers wrote: I've previously used sendmail in a very simple configuration - it just forwards my mail to another address. I now want to do that again, and find that it no longer works. I'm using Sendmail 8.13.1 on 6-CURRENT from 20040905 (i.e. pretty much FreeBSD 5, but with one crucial fix so it would boot on my computer). Really big snip Check /etc/mail for relay-domains and local-host-names I had to put my host.domain.net in each of these as well as access in order to get sendmail 8.13.1 to work. Best luc\k-- Gene ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: basic sendmail problem
On Thursday 18 November 2004 05:58 pm, Gene wrote: Check /etc/mail for relay-domains and local-host-names I had to put my host.domain.net in each of these as well as access in order to get sendmail 8.13.1 to work. Thanks, everything works now. So it was either this, or rebooting after changing /etc/hosts, or both. Or something :) -David ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: basic sendmail problem
On Wednesday 17 November 2004 08:59 pm, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2004-11-17 20:35, David Syphers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have sendmail_enable=YES in rc.conf, I have my aliases and virtusertable files the way I want them, sendmail's running, and listening on port 25. However, one thing has changed since the last time I tried this - I'm now on a LAN. The router sends all port 25 stuff to my server, and that works fine. But it means that my server has an IP that it can't resolve, though its domain name resolves into the correct IP and gets to the server even from on the LAN. I don't see why the first part of the previous sentence justifies the second. Why can't your IP resolve? Sorry, I probably didn't say that right. What I meant was, if it tries to reverse lookup a name based its own IP, it wouldn't work. If that matters. I do see it complaining things like 'gethostbyaddr(192.168.1.103) failed: 1'. I've tried adding this local IP to /etc/hosts for kicks. Nothing changed. Does your /etc/nsswitch.conf point first at /etc/hosts and then at dns? Yes. Do I need to restart anything after changing hosts? (I haven't used Windows in years, but I still get this feeling that I should reboot after making any change...) Every time I try to send a message to any user on the system, from virtusertable, aliases, or a real user, I get the error 550 5.7.1 relaying denied, followed by 550 5.1.1 user unknown. Does Sendmail log anything in /var/log/maillog? If yes, what is it? Yes, for example: Nov 17 19:52:53 bifrost sm-mta[1740]: iAI3qqvn001740: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=mxout2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.4], reject=550 5.7.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Relaying denied Is it denying mail because it thinks it's not seektruth.org? -David ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: basic sendmail problem
On Wednesday 17 November 2004 10:26 pm, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: Yes, I got that. What I didn't understand was why is fixing the DNS setup not a priority here? Well, that's not what you asked. It wasn't a priority because I didn't know this was a problem, and my server is a computer that I got for $25 at Boeing surplus to host my little domain that does nothing much. So I don't 'prioritize' things relating to it. You can probably get away with: FEATURE(`accept_unqualified_senders') FEATURE(`accept_unresolvable_domains') but this is a huge spam proxy waiting to happen. Instead of 'fixing' what isn't broken, you should try to fix DNS resolution of your IP addresses. It's better in the long run. I totally agree. Have any tips on how to do this? Should what I was doing to /etc/hosts work? And _is_ this what is causing the Sendmail problem? Thanks, -David ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic Question (I think): Upgrading xargs
[Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] Single line paragraphs. On Thursday, 15 July 2004 at 13:56:32 +1000, Scott Moss wrote: Hi, Just wondering what the easiest way to upgrade xargs would be. I'm running 4.5-RELEASE (yes I know -_-, new build is coming with the new machine). Anyhow I've been constantly getting errors when ever I try to make anything from ports and it seems to be xargs being an older version or something like that, doesn't see the -E flag as being valid. What do I have to do to get this fixed ? There are plenty of ways, but they all involve some understanding of the build process. If you need to ask, the simplest answer would be upgrade to a more recent version of FreeBSD. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Note: I discard all HTML mail unseen. Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. pgpOwDlewb907.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Basic printing setup
I've never gotten around to setting up printing from my FreeBSD machine--the discussion in the Handbook is rather frightening--and now that I've decided I should probably give it a try, I find that the Handbook doesn't even let me get started. I have two situations for this computer (a laptop running FreeBSD-4.8). I have a home network that has an older (non-Ethernetted) HP LaserJet 6MP; this is attached to the network via an AsanteTalk AppleTalk- Ethernet bridge. The Macs on the network (OSX and 8.6) can all see the printer. What do I need to do to print to this printer from my FreeBSD machine when it's on the network? In the second case, I just have a desktop printer-- some HP color thing, the 990 I think--that only has a USB connection. The Handbook doesn't mention USB printing at all. In both cases I'm not looking to do anything fancy, none of this user-accounting or header-pages stuff. I just want to be able to send jobs to the printer and have them come out. I guess I'd also be curious how to select one or the other, or more if they were added to the network. Thanks for any pointers on how to accomplish this. Jesse Sheidlower ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try apsfilter in the ports collection, I found it the easiest way to set up printing under freebsd, I;d seuggest hooking the printer up directly to the freebsd box and setting up printing there first, and then tacling the network setup. Thats what I would do anyway. Hope it helps David ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic printer setup (repost)
So I gave apsfilter a try, and having problems here too-- I managed to nuke my CUPS setup, and printing a test page died with nbp_lookup: Protocol not supported, even though netatalk is installed on the system. I think the only thing apsfilter changes is the /etc/printcap and it saves a copy at /etc/printcap.old before it makes the changes. So you may be able to at least get back to where you were :o) _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic printer setup (repost)
I just want to be able to send jobs to the printer and have them come out. cd /usr/ports/print/apsfilter/ make make install cd /usr/local/share/apsfilter/ ./SETUP _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic printer setup (repost)
On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 12:23:52AM +, Lee Harr wrote: I just want to be able to send jobs to the printer and have them come out. cd /usr/ports/print/apsfilter/ make make install cd /usr/local/share/apsfilter/ ./SETUP Thanks. In the meantime, I had started to play around with CUPS, which I got working for my local USB printer pretty readily, but I couldn't get to handle an AppleTalk printer. So I gave apsfilter a try, and having problems here too-- I managed to nuke my CUPS setup, and printing a test page died with nbp_lookup: Protocol not supported, even though netatalk is installed on the system. So I'm giving up now and will try again in the morning. Jesse Sheidlower ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic Ports Question, KDE, Korganizer
On Tue, 2003-02-18 at 16:58, humbert wrote: 2) Does anyone know why gnomepim wouldn't install? This is the error I am getting: # cd /usr/ports/devel/gnomevfs # make distclean # make install clean This assumes your ports tree has been cvsup'd to the latest version. Joe -- PGP Key : http://www.marcuscom.com/pgp.asc signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Basic Ports Question, KDE, Korganizer
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 22.58, humbert wrote: Hello - I basically run xwindows so I can have a browser and a PIM program. I recently installed fbsd 4.7 from the mini-install CD. I used sysinstall to set up KDE and everything went perfectly. The version of korganizer in ports is 3.0.x something. But it looks ugly and I would like to upgrade to the latest version. I download the source and tried to compile, but it couldn't find any Qt headers or normal stuff like that. I tend to prefer funtionality over worrying about a default appearance. http://www.kde-look.org if it's ugly was the only complaint you had. So my questions are these: 1) How can I install kdepim/korganizer from ports originally, but then continue to compile from source to keep current? Do people normally just wait until the ports collection is updated? The ports collection is updated generally the same day the official release is made (this is true for both KDE and GNOME, and many many other applications, less true for others. In a very broad generalisation, the bigger and more visible the project, the sooner the ports get updated.) KDE 3.1, for example, has been in the ports for a few weeks now. You have no need to compile from sources to keep current, what you need to do is: a: read the handbook and learn about cvsup and the ports collection b: install sysutils/portupgrade, read it's man pages thoroughly, and use it to keep your system up to date. 2) Does anyone know why gnomepim wouldn't install? This is the error I am getting: === Extracting for gnomevfs-1.0.5_4 Checksum mismatch for gnome/gnome-vfs-1.0.5.tar.bz2. Make sure the Makefile and distinfo file (/usr/ports/devel/gnomevfs/distinfo) are up to date. If you are absolutely sure you want to override this check, type make NO_CHECKSUM=yes [other args]. *** Error code 1 The distribution file you downloaded wasn't complete, or was otherwise damaged. Remove it (it'll be in /usr/ports/distfiles/gnome-vfs-1.0.5.tar.bz2) and try again. It'll probably work even better if you follow points a and b above. Regards, -- Lauri Watts KDE Documentation: http://i18n.kde.org/doc/ KDE on FreeBSD: http://freebsd.kde.org/ msg19777/pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: Basic networking(ICS...)
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Remington wrote: I think i jusr dial into the net(assume internal addres 192.168.0.1) and then i go to the other machine and i set the /etc/rc.conf, defaultrouter=192.168.0.1. I know i'm missing something, any help is greatly appreciated Google: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/natd.html http://www.muine.org/~hoang/freenat.html http://www.kcgeek.com/content/features/1020842040.blather.howto/feature.html Dw. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Basic mail and Sendmail problem
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 04:25:49AM +0100, Mark wrote: - Original Message - From: James Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 10:29 PM Subject: Re: Basic mail and Sendmail problem When I know try to send a mail to 'userone' with 'mail -v userone' I get the following error (same error in /var/spool/clientmqueue): userone... Connecting to localhost.mydomain. via relay... userone... Deferred: Connection refused by localhost.mydomain. One more thing to add: This works fine, when I am connected to my ISP. So this might be a problem with DNS configuration? I just had a similar problem with a couple of my machines. Try changing the 'search' line in resolv.conf to a local domain name. For instance, my /etc/resolv.conf file is like this: search localdomain.net nameserver ?.?.?.? (real dns servers) nameserver ?.?.?.? And my /etc/hosts file: 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain.net 192.168.19.1 gateway gateway.localdomain.net ... sendmail_enable=NO in /etc/rc.conf Why disable sendmail? That's a good question! I just needed local mail delivery. My big problem was my isp's DHCP server was assigning me a domain-name which would change my resolv.conf file. To solve that I had to add a supersede line in dhclient.conf. Yeah. Had a similar problem on a local box. I also added a prepend domain-name and prepend domain-name-servers line to dhclient.conf; like so: prepend domain-name ns-cache-0.ns.nl.demon.net ; prepend domain-name-servers 194.159.73.135; supersede domain-name ns-cache-0.ns.nl.demon.net The trailing spaces ARE intentional. That worked like a charm. Substitute your own ISP, of course. - Mark Thanks, I think I may try that too. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Basic mail and Sendmail problem
When I know try to send a mail to 'userone' with 'mail -v userone' I get the following error (same error in /var/spool/clientmqueue): userone... Connecting to localhost.mydomain. via relay... userone... Deferred: Connection refused by localhost.mydomain. One more thing to add: This works fine, when I am connected to my ISP. So this might be a problem with DNS configuration? I just had a similar problem with a couple of my machines. Try changing the 'search' line in resolv.conf to a local domain name. For instance, my /etc/resolv.conf file is like this: search localdomain.net nameserver ?.?.?.? (real dns servers) nameserver ?.?.?.? And my /etc/hosts file: 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain.net 192.168.19.1 gateway gateway.localdomain.net .. sendmail_enable=NO in /etc/rc.conf My big problem was my isp's DHCP server was assigning me a domain-name which would change my resolv.conf file. To solve that I had to add a supersede line in dhclient.conf. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Basic mail and Sendmail problem
- Original Message - From: James Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 10:29 PM Subject: Re: Basic mail and Sendmail problem When I know try to send a mail to 'userone' with 'mail -v userone' I get the following error (same error in /var/spool/clientmqueue): userone... Connecting to localhost.mydomain. via relay... userone... Deferred: Connection refused by localhost.mydomain. One more thing to add: This works fine, when I am connected to my ISP. So this might be a problem with DNS configuration? I just had a similar problem with a couple of my machines. Try changing the 'search' line in resolv.conf to a local domain name. For instance, my /etc/resolv.conf file is like this: search localdomain.net nameserver ?.?.?.? (real dns servers) nameserver ?.?.?.? And my /etc/hosts file: 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain.net 192.168.19.1 gateway gateway.localdomain.net ... sendmail_enable=NO in /etc/rc.conf Why disable sendmail? My big problem was my isp's DHCP server was assigning me a domain-name which would change my resolv.conf file. To solve that I had to add a supersede line in dhclient.conf. Yeah. Had a similar problem on a local box. I also added a prepend domain-name and prepend domain-name-servers line to dhclient.conf; like so: prepend domain-name ns-cache-0.ns.nl.demon.net ; prepend domain-name-servers 194.159.73.135; supersede domain-name ns-cache-0.ns.nl.demon.net The trailing spaces ARE intentional. That worked like a charm. Substitute your own ISP, of course. - Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Basic CVS question
Pookie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : As I understand it 4.7 is out. Inj my cvsupfile the tag would be: : RELEG_4_7 or RELEG_4 Hopefully this explains it all: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvs-tags.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Basic CVS question
On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 03:52:27PM -0400, Fuzzy wrote: On Sat, 5 Oct 2002, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: Pookie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : As I understand it 4.7 is out. Inj my cvsupfile the tag would be: : RELEG_4_7 or RELEG_4 Hopefully this explains it all: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvs-tags.html but that does not mention 4.7 ... would releng_4_6 (or releng_4_6_2) actually be getting the 4.7.rc? updates? No. For that you want RELENG_4. Ceri -- you can't see when light's so strong you can't see when light is gone To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
