Re: True IMAP Trash Folder
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 11:42:37AM -0500, Louis LeBlanc wrote: > > > > I understand now. Thanks. So do you know of a mail client that > > supports "Deleting Items" to a folder called "Trash" on the IMAP > > server? Right now I have evolution and if I delete mail it puts it into > > a local trash folder, but I dont see an option to "Copy deleted mail to > > folder on mail server" or something like that. > > I use mutt with an imap server. I've tied macros to specific keys > that save messages to INBOX.trash, which effectively deletes them from > the current folder. I go to the .trash folder and use 'D' to clean it > out on a regular basis, sometimes finding one or two that I didn't > want to delete. It requires folder hooks to change the underlying > behavior for the 'd', '^d' and 'D' keys based on the current folder, > but it works like a charm. > Hi Hope I'm not too late :-) I'm using courier-imapd and have few users with whole bunch of various client software on FreeBSD and Windows. Following lines in imapd config do magic: IMAP_TRASHFOLDERNAME="Deleted Items" MAP_EMPTYTRASH="Deleted Items":90,"Sent Items":365 IMAP_MOVE_EXPUNGE_TO_TRASH=1 This makes MS Outlook Express happy. For mutt client I just make symbolic link "trash" -> "Deleted Items". Moreover, in case of mutt it's actually server that moves messages to trash, and does this without any hooks or filters. By the way, MSOE actually allows to specify names of both 'sent items' and 'deleted items' folders, but to avoid explaining Windows users how to do this I just fix this on the server. Just make sure you correctly specify namespace, otherwise your folders will show up in the client either with dot in the front or/and as sub-folders of your inbox (well, they're in fact, but I don't like that look). This actually might be reason why your client stores Trash locally - it doesn't look for it in proper place on the server because namespace specified incorrectly. Hope this helps. Kind regards, Ilya Varlashkin ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: True IMAP Trash Folder
Mozilla mail client does this. It uses a Trash folder on the IMAP server. However, there is no setting that I found which specifies where the Trash folder should be or what it is called. It simply just works as expected. I am using courier-imap for my imap and that is what I get here. Jeff Matt Juszczak wrote: Gary wrote: Gary, Hi Matt, On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 10:20:09 -0500 UTC (2/2/2004, 9:20 AM -0600 UTC my time), Matt Juszczak wrote: M> Does anyone know of a mail client that supports a true IMAP trash M> folder? Evolution doesn't, and so I use evolution on three different M> machines and if I have deleted messages I have to check all three M> machines sometimes to find it. There is no trash folder in the IMAP protocol itself.. Removing mail is a two step process, first of deleting it, and second of purging the deleted mail. I understand now. Thanks. So do you know of a mail client that supports "Deleting Items" to a folder called "Trash" on the IMAP server? Right now I have evolution and if I delete mail it puts it into a local trash folder, but I dont see an option to "Copy deleted mail to folder on mail server" or something like that. Thanks! -- Gary TEAMWORK...means never having to take all the blame yourself. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: True IMAP Trash Folder
> >I use mutt with an imap server. I've tied macros to specific keys > >that save messages to INBOX.trash, which effectively deletes them > >from > >the current folder. I go to the .trash folder and use 'D' to clean > >it > >out on a regular basis, sometimes finding one or two that I didn't > >want to delete. It requires folder hooks to change the underlying > >behavior for the 'd', '^d' and 'D' keys based on the current folder, > >but it works like a charm. > > > >The mutt site documents how to do most of this, but if you like, I > >can > >dig up my macros for you. > > > >HTH > >Lou > > > > > Lou, > > I think I got it covered. My new solution seems to work. Thanks > though! > > -Matt Maybe I can offer another way to do it. I use courier-imap as imap server. It offers a configuration variable called IMAP_MOVE_EXPUNGE_TO_TRASH. As the name implies, mails that are deleted from non-trash folders (deleting = deleting + expunging) are moved to the trash folder. In combination with IMAP_EMPTYTRASH=Trash:7, which removes mails from the trash folder after 7 days, this solution is comfortable, as long as the mail client has support for deleting/expunging in one step (I use sylpheed with X, which does this well, and mutt does it well enough too. I have not used evolution). Basically I don't use the classical IMAP way of deleting mails (just marking them with the "deleted" flag) at all. - Benjamin pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: True IMAP Trash Folder
Louis LeBlanc wrote: On 02/02/04 10:27 AM, Matt Juszczak sat at the `puter and typed: Gary wrote: Gary, Hi Matt, On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 10:20:09 -0500 UTC (2/2/2004, 9:20 AM -0600 UTC my time), Matt Juszczak wrote: M> Does anyone know of a mail client that supports a true IMAP trash M> folder? Evolution doesn't, and so I use evolution on three different M> machines and if I have deleted messages I have to check all three M> machines sometimes to find it. There is no trash folder in the IMAP protocol itself.. Removing mail is a two step process, first of deleting it, and second of purging the deleted mail. I understand now. Thanks. So do you know of a mail client that supports "Deleting Items" to a folder called "Trash" on the IMAP server? Right now I have evolution and if I delete mail it puts it into a local trash folder, but I dont see an option to "Copy deleted mail to folder on mail server" or something like that. I use mutt with an imap server. I've tied macros to specific keys that save messages to INBOX.trash, which effectively deletes them from the current folder. I go to the .trash folder and use 'D' to clean it out on a regular basis, sometimes finding one or two that I didn't want to delete. It requires folder hooks to change the underlying behavior for the 'd', '^d' and 'D' keys based on the current folder, but it works like a charm. The mutt site documents how to do most of this, but if you like, I can dig up my macros for you. HTH Lou Lou, I think I got it covered. My new solution seems to work. Thanks though! -Matt ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: True IMAP Trash Folder
Oscar - well, as far as client, yes, you would need to sync them. But, if you filter on the server, it can be accomplished on without any client configuration. Take a look at Mail::Audit. I use it with imap-uw, and it works quite well. I just filter mail into a couple seperate mboxs in my home dir, and off I go. ~j Oscar Ricardo Silva wrote: Which leads me to ask/comment/point out, a bit off topic perhaps ... if you do take the filter path, and are checking mail on different machines, perhaps with different applications and operating systems ... how do you sychronize your filters? I believe there's not a centralized universal way of filtering messages. Do you have create them on each app you use? Oscar -- "Yesterday upon the stair I saw a man who wasn't there, he wasn't there again today, oh how i wish he'd go away" Rev. Jonathan T. Sage Lighting / Set Designer Professional Web Design [HTTP://theatre.msu.edu] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [See Headers for Contact Info] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re[2]: True IMAP Trash Folder
At 09:33 AM 2/2/2004, you wrote: Hi Matt, On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 10:27:41 -0500 UTC (2/2/2004, 9:27 AM -0600 UTC my time), Matt Juszczak wrote: >>There is no trash folder in the IMAP protocol itself.. Removing mail is a >>two step process, first of deleting it, and second of purging the deleted >>mail. >> >> >> M> I understand now. Thanks. So do you know of a mail client that M> supports "Deleting Items" to a folder called "Trash" on the IMAP M> server? No, because it is not part of the IMAP protocol. M> Right now I have evolution and if I delete mail it puts it into M> a local trash folder, but I dont see an option to "Copy deleted mail to M> folder on mail server" or something like that. Right, not part of the protocol, so there would be no option for that. You can either manually drag-N-drop deleted mail, before you purge it, to a new folder you create on the server, called Trash, or whatever. Or... perhaps you can set up a filter to move/copy deleted mail to your new Trash folder, etc... this might work. Which leads me to ask/comment/point out, a bit off topic perhaps ... if you do take the filter path, and are checking mail on different machines, perhaps with different applications and operating systems ... how do you sychronize your filters? I believe there's not a centralized universal way of filtering messages. Do you have create them on each app you use? Oscar ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: True IMAP Trash Folder
On 02/02/04 10:27 AM, Matt Juszczak sat at the `puter and typed: > Gary wrote: > > Gary, > > >Hi Matt, > > > >On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 10:20:09 -0500 UTC (2/2/2004, 9:20 AM -0600 UTC my > >time), Matt Juszczak wrote: > > > >M> Does anyone know of a mail client that supports a true IMAP trash > >M> folder? Evolution doesn't, and so I use evolution on three different > >M> machines and if I have deleted messages I have to check all three > >M> machines sometimes to find it. > > > >There is no trash folder in the IMAP protocol itself.. Removing mail is a > >two step process, first of deleting it, and second of purging the deleted > >mail. > > > > > > > > I understand now. Thanks. So do you know of a mail client that > supports "Deleting Items" to a folder called "Trash" on the IMAP > server? Right now I have evolution and if I delete mail it puts it into > a local trash folder, but I dont see an option to "Copy deleted mail to > folder on mail server" or something like that. I use mutt with an imap server. I've tied macros to specific keys that save messages to INBOX.trash, which effectively deletes them from the current folder. I go to the .trash folder and use 'D' to clean it out on a regular basis, sometimes finding one or two that I didn't want to delete. It requires folder hooks to change the underlying behavior for the 'd', '^d' and 'D' keys based on the current folder, but it works like a charm. The mutt site documents how to do most of this, but if you like, I can dig up my macros for you. HTH Lou -- Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org ԿԬ The universe does not have laws -- it has habits, and habits can be broken. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re[2]: True IMAP Trash Folder
Hi Matt, On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 10:27:41 -0500 UTC (2/2/2004, 9:27 AM -0600 UTC my time), Matt Juszczak wrote: >>There is no trash folder in the IMAP protocol itself.. Removing mail is a >>two step process, first of deleting it, and second of purging the deleted >>mail. >> >> >> M> I understand now. Thanks. So do you know of a mail client that M> supports "Deleting Items" to a folder called "Trash" on the IMAP M> server? No, because it is not part of the IMAP protocol. M> Right now I have evolution and if I delete mail it puts it into M> a local trash folder, but I dont see an option to "Copy deleted mail to M> folder on mail server" or something like that. Right, not part of the protocol, so there would be no option for that. You can either manually drag-N-drop deleted mail, before you purge it, to a new folder you create on the server, called Trash, or whatever. Or... perhaps you can set up a filter to move/copy deleted mail to your new Trash folder, etc... this might work. -- Gary Department of Redundancy Department. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: True IMAP Trash Folder
Matt Juszczak wrote: Does anyone know of a mail client that supports a true IMAP trash folder? >>> There is no trash folder in the IMAP protocol itself.. Removing mail is a two step process, first of deleting it, and second of purging the deleted mail. I understand now. Thanks. So do you know of a mail client that supports "Deleting Items" to a folder called "Trash" on the IMAP server? Right now I have evolution and if I delete mail it puts it into a local trash folder, but I dont see an option to "Copy deleted mail to folder on mail server" or something like that. I believe the Mozilla mail client (perhaps Thunderbird too) does what you want. -- Regards, Doug ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: True IMAP Trash Folder
Gary wrote: Gary, Hi Matt, On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 10:20:09 -0500 UTC (2/2/2004, 9:20 AM -0600 UTC my time), Matt Juszczak wrote: M> Does anyone know of a mail client that supports a true IMAP trash M> folder? Evolution doesn't, and so I use evolution on three different M> machines and if I have deleted messages I have to check all three M> machines sometimes to find it. There is no trash folder in the IMAP protocol itself.. Removing mail is a two step process, first of deleting it, and second of purging the deleted mail. I understand now. Thanks. So do you know of a mail client that supports "Deleting Items" to a folder called "Trash" on the IMAP server? Right now I have evolution and if I delete mail it puts it into a local trash folder, but I dont see an option to "Copy deleted mail to folder on mail server" or something like that. Thanks! -- Gary TEAMWORK...means never having to take all the blame yourself. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: True IMAP Trash Folder
Hi Matt, On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 10:20:09 -0500 UTC (2/2/2004, 9:20 AM -0600 UTC my time), Matt Juszczak wrote: M> Does anyone know of a mail client that supports a true IMAP trash M> folder? Evolution doesn't, and so I use evolution on three different M> machines and if I have deleted messages I have to check all three M> machines sometimes to find it. There is no trash folder in the IMAP protocol itself.. Removing mail is a two step process, first of deleting it, and second of purging the deleted mail. -- Gary TEAMWORK...means never having to take all the blame yourself. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
True IMAP Trash Folder
Does anyone know of a mail client that supports a true IMAP trash folder? Evolution doesn't, and so I use evolution on three different machines and if I have deleted messages I have to check all three machines sometimes to find it. Thanks! -Matt ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
