Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On Thursday 23 August 2007 14:37:57 Ian Smith wrote: so now I did because of your question and it seems the power_profile script has a bug I tries to set hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest=C1 but I guess it should be dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest Ah, ok. Updated in HEAD but not STABLE: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/etc/rc.d/power_profile.diff?r1=te xttr1=1.7r2=texttr2=1.11 well, seems you are mistaken, it is not fixed, the new power_profile I have on my current is wrong as well # $FreeBSD: src/etc/rc.d/power_profile,v 1.11 2007/04/02 22:53:07 it still tries to set hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest but should set dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest so it still gives the same erro -- João A mensagem foi scaneada pelo sistema de e-mail e pode ser considerada segura. Service fornecido pelo Datacenter Matik https://datacenter.matik.com.br ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On Thursday 23 August 2007 00:17:56 Ian Smith wrote:
Call me curious, but (assuming that you're tuning for performance, not
economy, and so will always run these boxes on AC power, not battery):
a) why you think that line in /etc/rc.d/power_profile is 'funny'?
well, in first place because it gave an error, I haven't looked deeper at that
moment because I was after something else
so now I did because of your question and it seems the power_profile script
has a bug
I tries to set hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest=C1
but I guess it should be dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest
b) what value for performance_cx_lowest you would consider more
appropriate to use than C1, and why?
I didn't said that, My comment was not regarding the value but the error per
se
c) whether you have overridden the /etc/defaults/rc.conf values for
{performance,economy}_cx_lowest or {performance,economy}_cpu_freq ?
no
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Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007, JoaoBR wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2007 00:17:56 Ian Smith wrote: Call me curious, but (assuming that you're tuning for performance, not economy, and so will always run these boxes on AC power, not battery): a) why you think that line in /etc/rc.d/power_profile is 'funny'? well, in first place because it gave an error, I haven't looked deeper at that moment because I was after something else so now I did because of your question and it seems the power_profile script has a bug I tries to set hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest=C1 but I guess it should be dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest Ah, ok. Updated in HEAD but not STABLE: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/etc/rc.d/power_profile.diff?r1=texttr1=1.7r2=texttr2=1.11 But http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/etc/rc.d/power_profile indicates that hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest should still work anyway, to set all cpus the same? What is the error message you're getting? Cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On Thursday 23 August 2007 14:37:57 Ian Smith wrote: On Thu, 23 Aug 2007, JoaoBR wrote: On Thursday 23 August 2007 00:17:56 Ian Smith wrote: Call me curious, but (assuming that you're tuning for performance, not economy, and so will always run these boxes on AC power, not battery): a) why you think that line in /etc/rc.d/power_profile is 'funny'? well, in first place because it gave an error, I haven't looked deeper at that moment because I was after something else so now I did because of your question and it seems the power_profile script has a bug I tries to set hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest=C1 but I guess it should be dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest Ah, ok. Updated in HEAD but not STABLE: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/etc/rc.d/power_profile.diff?r1=te xttr1=1.7r2=texttr2=1.11 But http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/etc/rc.d/power_profile indicates that hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest should still work anyway, to set all cpus the same? What is the error message you're getting? no it not working # sysctl hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest=C1 hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest: C1 sysctl: hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest: Invalid argument -- João A mensagem foi scaneada pelo sistema de e-mail e pode ser considerada segura. Service fornecido pelo Datacenter Matik https://datacenter.matik.com.br ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On Monday 06 August 2007 09:28:35 JoaoBR wrote: . I had a chance to test several MBs with the same 6000+, 5000+ and 4600+ cpu At the end seems that the problem is mb/hardware related since some combinations hung even with latest BIOS installed and others not. not sure if somebody still wants to hear about this but it is kind of interesting I guess for my understandings in first place the MB and Bios is most important thing and there are vendor bios out which say they support the higher freq CPUs but certainly they don't or at least not all of them even so I gut freezes on all kind of combinations and seems that xorg and it's video drv are kind of very sensitive to certain settings, also with glx and dri disabled I still got freezings sooner or later I got a new monitor this days and that brought the real stuff up, seems that xorg is not liking when the HorizSync and VertRefresh rates are not 100% correct and what then cause the kill. In order to doublecheck this I took my old monitor back with correct settings and i got no further freezes either with any of the CPU/MB combinations I tested before. I have an LCD which can 1280x1024 at 75hz , the former could 1024x768 at 75hz and with both it works now fine with VertRefresh 50-100 HorizSync 31.5 - 82.0 before I had VertRefresh 50 - 90 HorizSync 30 - 75 one thing more I did which caused a sysctl error on boot. There is a funny line in /etc/rc.s/power_profile as 'highest_value=C1' which I commented out but I guess that has nothing to do since the setting was not accepted anyway xorg seems to have problems when enabling DPMS and returns wrong values. The vesa driver seems to work better or is less sensitive than sis and nv and ati but with the correct monitor rates all are working fine. well, I believe that's it because I have now two different MATX MBs running 24h with Athlon 5000 without any problem, since friday night -- João A mensagem foi scaneada pelo sistema de e-mail e pode ser considerada segura. Service fornecido pelo Datacenter Matik https://datacenter.matik.com.br ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, JoaoBR wrote:
On Monday 06 August 2007 09:28:35 JoaoBR wrote:
.
I had a chance to test several MBs with the same 6000+, 5000+ and 4600+ cpu
At the end seems that the problem is mb/hardware related since some
combinations hung even with latest BIOS installed and others not.
not sure if somebody still wants to hear about this but it is kind of
interesting I guess
[.. leaving out your video / xorg / DPMS stuff without comment ..]
one thing more I did which caused a sysctl error on boot. There is a funny
line in /etc/rc.s/power_profile as 'highest_value=C1' which I commented
out
but I guess that has nothing to do since the setting was not accepted
Call me curious, but (assuming that you're tuning for performance, not
economy, and so will always run these boxes on AC power, not battery):
a) why you think that line in /etc/rc.d/power_profile is 'funny'?
b) what value for performance_cx_lowest you would consider more
appropriate to use than C1, and why?
c) whether you have overridden the /etc/defaults/rc.conf values for
{performance,economy}_cx_lowest or {performance,economy}_cpu_freq ?
Cheers, Ian
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Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
Kris Kennaway schrieb: On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 10:54:08AM -0500, Scot Hetzel wrote: On 8/6/07, JoaoBR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only to remember the problem only ocurres when loading powerd and seems the freeze happens when cpu freq is upshifting not down. Try setting: hint.acpi_throttle.0.disabled=1 in /boot/loader.conf, as acpi_throttle may be the cause of the freeze. FYI this worked for me. Well, I never understood why we don't make this the default,. Since throttling has a much higher impact on performance than on power consumption, it always is lowering the throughput per Watt value (or to use some other metric, it increases the Joule for completion of a task value). For systems that do not support EST or PowerNow! (or newer), it may still be better to have the CPU work unthrottled and then go into an extended halt instead of a simple halt (C0). In case of systems with low voltage modes, throttling may make the CPU draw significantly more power than in a higher clocked, reduced voltage mode. (I.e. 2GHz-1.6GHz at lower voltage draws less power than throttling 2GHz-1GHz at the nominal operating voltage ...) Throttling may be useful to prevent over-heating of certain CPUs under extreme load, but AFAIK these implement it without OS support (in on-chip hardware, since the days of the P4). So, IMHO, we should normally have acpi_throttle disabled in the default installation ... Regards, STefan ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On Saturday 28 July 2007 07:10:21 Michael Nottebrock wrote: but I have better news and seems my first idea was right, the MB is it I found a tech info on the manufactor's support site telling cpu support up to 4600+ and found a bios for newer cpus including my 5000+ so I upgraded the bios and my CPU now works with smp + cpufreq + powerd on both amd64 and i386 Good to hear. Unfortunately my Mobo's BIOS is already up-to-date, the CPU is officially supported and Cool'n'Quiet works dandy in Windows XP I had a chance to test several MBs with the same 6000+, 5000+ and 4600+ cpu At the end seems that the problem is mb/hardware related since some combinations hung even with latest BIOS installed and others not. I tested newer MATX MBs and the only one which seems to run stable for long time is the Gigabyte MCP61 chipset. All others are freezing sooner or later with Athlon 5000 or faster CPUs. The problem is less with the 4600 CPU almost all boards are fine and with 4200 CPU no problem at all. The MBs with sis vga onboard are appearently unusable with the higher freq CPUs. ATI and NVidia are ok. Xorg appearently do not like HPET enabled because it freezes then with all this boards I tested. Anyway, funny is that Fedora 7 which I have on the same HD is not freezing (same xorg+kde version) what makes me guess that eventual there is some problem with freebsd's acpi understanding the acpi tables when using this high freq amd processors. Only to remember the problem only ocurres when loading powerd and seems the freeze happens when cpu freq is upshifting not down. Not sure if it is worth looking deeper into this on 6 and soon I have some time I will check current first -- João A mensagem foi scaneada pelo sistema de e-mail e pode ser considerada segura. Service fornecido pelo Datacenter Matik https://datacenter.matik.com.br ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On 8/6/07, JoaoBR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only to remember the problem only ocurres when loading powerd and seems the freeze happens when cpu freq is upshifting not down. Try setting: hint.acpi_throttle.0.disabled=1 in /boot/loader.conf, as acpi_throttle may be the cause of the freeze. Scot -- DISCLAIMER: No electrons were mamed while sending this message. Only slightly bruised. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 10:54:08AM -0500, Scot Hetzel wrote: On 8/6/07, JoaoBR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only to remember the problem only ocurres when loading powerd and seems the freeze happens when cpu freq is upshifting not down. Try setting: hint.acpi_throttle.0.disabled=1 in /boot/loader.conf, as acpi_throttle may be the cause of the freeze. FYI this worked for me. Kris ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
hi, On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 01:49:20PM -0400, Kris Kennaway wrote: hint.acpi_throttle.0.disabled=1 in /boot/loader.conf, as acpi_throttle may be the cause of the freeze. FYI this worked for me. for me, too. Dual Opteron on Tyan board. - Oliver -- | Oliver Brandmueller | Offenbacher Str. 1 | Germany D-14197 Berlin | | Fon +49-172-3130856 | Fax +49-172-3145027 | WWW: http://the.addict.de/ | | Ich bin das Internet. Sowahr ich Gott helfe. | | Eine gewerbliche Nutzung aller enthaltenen Adressen ist nicht gestattet! | ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On Monday 06 August 2007 12:54:08 Scot Hetzel wrote: On 8/6/07, JoaoBR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only to remember the problem only ocurres when loading powerd and seems the freeze happens when cpu freq is upshifting not down. Try setting: hint.acpi_throttle.0.disabled=1 in /boot/loader.conf, as acpi_throttle may be the cause of the freeze. Scot thank's but I tried this switch and in none of this cases (MBs with problem) it helped -- João A mensagem foi scaneada pelo sistema de e-mail e pode ser considerada segura. Service fornecido pelo Datacenter Matik https://datacenter.matik.com.br ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
JoaoBR schrieb: On Friday 27 July 2007 12:31:55 Nate Lawson wrote: JoaoBR wrote: Hi when I enable powerd with default flags (and any other also) the computer freezes some seconds after powerd is started. It does not reach login. Nothing in the logs. This is with amd 5000 X2 Am2 When i stick into the same computer a 4600 or 4200 it runs fine and smooth. I thought it is MB related and did the same and again the 5000 cpu freeze, the smaller ones not. Any idea what I should do? I use releng_6 amd and i386 same story and cpufreq and acpi is compiled. Disable powerd again and boot normally. Try changing the frequency with sysctl dev.cpu, etc. and see if any of the levels freeze for you. ok, this is what I get dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 2600/10 2400/85596 2200/72544 2000/60778 1800/50237 1000/25535 no need to say but the fan levels obviously are wrong And now the interesting part I shift to 2400 or any other and immediately freeze, that from kde konsole in single user mode I can shift up and down between all speeds and nothing happens [Jumping in from the thread started on -stable - http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-July/036395.html - see there for system details] Same here - in single user mode, even powerd works fine - like it does with SMP disabled - but no go in multiuser. I see some similar discussion on stable but I can not match with everything there because I have the problem only with the athlon 5000 cpu The CPU difference is interesting - exactly what model is your X2 4600+? Mine is a stepping F, model 4B, rev BH-F2 (Energy Efficient with 65W TDP). Cheers, -- ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On Saturday 28 July 2007 04:21:39 Michael Nottebrock wrote: JoaoBR schrieb: On Friday 27 July 2007 12:31:55 Nate Lawson wrote: JoaoBR wrote: Hi when I enable powerd with default flags (and any other also) the computer freezes some seconds after powerd is started. It does not reach login. Nothing in the logs. This is with amd 5000 X2 Am2 When i stick into the same computer a 4600 or 4200 it runs fine and smooth. I thought it is MB related and did the same and again the 5000 cpu freeze, the smaller ones not. Any idea what I should do? I use releng_6 amd and i386 same story and cpufreq and acpi is compiled. Disable powerd again and boot normally. Try changing the frequency with sysctl dev.cpu, etc. and see if any of the levels freeze for you. ok, this is what I get dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 2600/10 2400/85596 2200/72544 2000/60778 1800/50237 1000/25535 no need to say but the fan levels obviously are wrong And now the interesting part I shift to 2400 or any other and immediately freeze, that from kde konsole in single user mode I can shift up and down between all speeds and nothing happens [Jumping in from the thread started on -stable - http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-July/036395.html - see there for system details] Same here - in single user mode, even powerd works fine - like it does with SMP disabled - but no go in multiuser. I see some similar discussion on stable but I can not match with everything there because I have the problem only with the athlon 5000 cpu The CPU difference is interesting - exactly what model is your X2 4600+? Mine is a stepping F, model 4B, rev BH-F2 (Energy Efficient with 65W TDP). seems to be the same but I have better news and seems my first idea was right, the MB is it I found a tech info on the manufactor's support site telling cpu support up to 4600+ and found a bios for newer cpus including my 5000+ so I upgraded the bios and my CPU now works with smp + cpufreq + powerd on both amd64 and i386 nothing wrong with freebsd and xorg neither :) -- João A mensagem foi scaneada pelo sistema de e-mail e pode ser considerada segura. Service fornecido pelo Datacenter Matik https://datacenter.matik.com.br ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
JoaoBR schrieb: On Saturday 28 July 2007 04:21:39 Michael Nottebrock wrote: JoaoBR schrieb: On Friday 27 July 2007 12:31:55 Nate Lawson wrote: JoaoBR wrote: Hi when I enable powerd with default flags (and any other also) the computer freezes some seconds after powerd is started. It does not reach login. Nothing in the logs. This is with amd 5000 X2 Am2 When i stick into the same computer a 4600 or 4200 it runs fine and smooth. I thought it is MB related and did the same and again the 5000 cpu freeze, the smaller ones not. Any idea what I should do? I use releng_6 amd and i386 same story and cpufreq and acpi is compiled. Disable powerd again and boot normally. Try changing the frequency with sysctl dev.cpu, etc. and see if any of the levels freeze for you. ok, this is what I get dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 2600/10 2400/85596 2200/72544 2000/60778 1800/50237 1000/25535 no need to say but the fan levels obviously are wrong And now the interesting part I shift to 2400 or any other and immediately freeze, that from kde konsole in single user mode I can shift up and down between all speeds and nothing happens [Jumping in from the thread started on -stable - http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-July/036395.html - see there for system details] Same here - in single user mode, even powerd works fine - like it does with SMP disabled - but no go in multiuser. I see some similar discussion on stable but I can not match with everything there because I have the problem only with the athlon 5000 cpu The CPU difference is interesting - exactly what model is your X2 4600+? Mine is a stepping F, model 4B, rev BH-F2 (Energy Efficient with 65W TDP). seems to be the same but I have better news and seems my first idea was right, the MB is it I found a tech info on the manufactor's support site telling cpu support up to 4600+ and found a bios for newer cpus including my 5000+ so I upgraded the bios and my CPU now works with smp + cpufreq + powerd on both amd64 and i386 Good to hear. Unfortunately my Mobo's BIOS is already up-to-date, the CPU is officially supported and Cool'n'Quiet works dandy in Windows XP ... =/ Cheers, -- ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On Saturday 28 July 2007 07:10:21 Michael Nottebrock wrote: JoaoBR schrieb: On Saturday 28 July 2007 04:21:39 Michael Nottebrock wrote: JoaoBR schrieb: On Friday 27 July 2007 12:31:55 Nate Lawson wrote: JoaoBR wrote: Hi when I enable powerd with default flags (and any other also) the computer freezes some seconds after powerd is started. It does not reach login. Nothing in the logs. This is with amd 5000 X2 Am2 When i stick into the same computer a 4600 or 4200 it runs fine and smooth. I thought it is MB related and did the same and again the 5000 cpu freeze, the smaller ones not. Any idea what I should do? I use releng_6 amd and i386 same story and cpufreq and acpi is compiled. Disable powerd again and boot normally. Try changing the frequency with sysctl dev.cpu, etc. and see if any of the levels freeze for you. ok, this is what I get dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 2600/10 2400/85596 2200/72544 2000/60778 1800/50237 1000/25535 no need to say but the fan levels obviously are wrong And now the interesting part I shift to 2400 or any other and immediately freeze, that from kde konsole in single user mode I can shift up and down between all speeds and nothing happens [Jumping in from the thread started on -stable - http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-July/036395.html - see there for system details] Same here - in single user mode, even powerd works fine - like it does with SMP disabled - but no go in multiuser. I see some similar discussion on stable but I can not match with everything there because I have the problem only with the athlon 5000 cpu The CPU difference is interesting - exactly what model is your X2 4600+? Mine is a stepping F, model 4B, rev BH-F2 (Energy Efficient with 65W TDP). seems to be the same but I have better news and seems my first idea was right, the MB is it I found a tech info on the manufactor's support site telling cpu support up to 4600+ and found a bios for newer cpus including my 5000+ so I upgraded the bios and my CPU now works with smp + cpufreq + powerd on both amd64 and i386 Good to hear. Unfortunately my Mobo's BIOS is already up-to-date, the CPU is officially supported and Cool'n'Quiet works dandy in Windows XP ... =/ my ok msg was too fast, after some time my video starts flickering and stays so and the PC is freezed up, disabling powerd and works stable until it freeze cpu frequency shifting is done well manually I can set all cpu speeds and seems to stay stable on each must be related to X because I have some servers without X but cpufreq+smp+powerd running absolutely stable I found some msgs about the same problem with Gentoo and Debian and people say the problem is with xorg and changing to xfree solved it for them but I myself probably will not risk getting into a nightmare after the /usrX11R6 thing I have no windows but fedora 7 on the same pc and works fine too, kde's 'kpowersave info dialog' shows fine the cpu frequency shifting -- João A mensagem foi scaneada pelo sistema de e-mail e pode ser considerada segura. Service fornecido pelo Datacenter Matik https://datacenter.matik.com.br ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
Hi, On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 08:33:55AM -0300, JoaoBR wrote: my ok msg was too fast, after some time my video starts flickering and stays so and the PC is freezed up, disabling powerd and works stable until it freeze cpu frequency shifting is done well manually I can set all cpu speeds and seems to stay stable on each must be related to X because I have some servers without X but cpufreq+smp+powerd running absolutely stable Did you ever try to measure the difference in power consumption of the whole PC, so you know all the trouble actually is worth anything? :-) - Olli -- | Oliver Brandmueller | Offenbacher Str. 1 | Germany D-14197 Berlin | | Fon +49-172-3130856 | Fax +49-172-3145027 | WWW: http://the.addict.de/ | | Ich bin das Internet. Sowahr ich Gott helfe. | | Eine gewerbliche Nutzung aller enthaltenen Adressen ist nicht gestattet! | ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On Saturday 28 July 2007 08:40:33 Oliver Brandmueller wrote: Hi, On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 08:33:55AM -0300, JoaoBR wrote: my ok msg was too fast, after some time my video starts flickering and stays so and the PC is freezed up, disabling powerd and works stable until it freeze cpu frequency shifting is done well manually I can set all cpu speeds and seems to stay stable on each must be related to X because I have some servers without X but cpufreq+smp+powerd running absolutely stable Did you ever try to measure the difference in power consumption of the whole PC, so you know all the trouble actually is worth anything? :-) yup I did, probably not exactly the issue if you use a computer from time to time at home but if you have 200 running 24x7 things change Anyway I understand what you try to say but powerconsumption is not the only reason for using powerd there are secondary issues as PS, cooler and fan lifetimes for example, lower air conditioning costs also come in here fan noise is one of the interesting issues for home users or for whom likes it quiet in the office -- João A mensagem foi scaneada pelo sistema de e-mail e pode ser considerada segura. Service fornecido pelo Datacenter Matik https://datacenter.matik.com.br ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
JoaoBR schrieb: On Saturday 28 July 2007 07:10:21 Michael Nottebrock wrote: JoaoBR schrieb: On Saturday 28 July 2007 04:21:39 Michael Nottebrock wrote: JoaoBR schrieb: On Friday 27 July 2007 12:31:55 Nate Lawson wrote: JoaoBR wrote: Hi when I enable powerd with default flags (and any other also) the computer freezes some seconds after powerd is started. It does not reach login. Nothing in the logs. This is with amd 5000 X2 Am2 When i stick into the same computer a 4600 or 4200 it runs fine and smooth. I thought it is MB related and did the same and again the 5000 cpu freeze, the smaller ones not. Any idea what I should do? I use releng_6 amd and i386 same story and cpufreq and acpi is compiled. Disable powerd again and boot normally. Try changing the frequency with sysctl dev.cpu, etc. and see if any of the levels freeze for you. ok, this is what I get dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 2600/10 2400/85596 2200/72544 2000/60778 1800/50237 1000/25535 no need to say but the fan levels obviously are wrong And now the interesting part I shift to 2400 or any other and immediately freeze, that from kde konsole in single user mode I can shift up and down between all speeds and nothing happens [Jumping in from the thread started on -stable - http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-July/036395.html - see there for system details] Same here - in single user mode, even powerd works fine - like it does with SMP disabled - but no go in multiuser. I see some similar discussion on stable but I can not match with everything there because I have the problem only with the athlon 5000 cpu The CPU difference is interesting - exactly what model is your X2 4600+? Mine is a stepping F, model 4B, rev BH-F2 (Energy Efficient with 65W TDP). seems to be the same but I have better news and seems my first idea was right, the MB is it I found a tech info on the manufactor's support site telling cpu support up to 4600+ and found a bios for newer cpus including my 5000+ so I upgraded the bios and my CPU now works with smp + cpufreq + powerd on both amd64 and i386 Good to hear. Unfortunately my Mobo's BIOS is already up-to-date, the CPU is officially supported and Cool'n'Quiet works dandy in Windows XP ... =/ my ok msg was too fast, after some time my video starts flickering and stays so and the PC is freezed up, disabling powerd and works stable Meanwhile I found a workaround for my system: I had SCHED_ULE configured in my kernel - switching to SCHED_4BSD gets rid of the freezes. Should have thought of that sooner, ISTR having problems with powerd and SCHED_ULE even on single cpu P4s. Cheers, -- ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 03:46:15PM +0200, Michael Nottebrock wrote: Meanwhile I found a workaround for my system: I had SCHED_ULE configured in my kernel - switching to SCHED_4BSD gets rid of the freezes. Should have thought of that sooner, ISTR having problems with powerd and SCHED_ULE even on single cpu P4s. I see you've now learned a reason why no-one should be using SCHED_ULE on FreeBSD 7 ;-) Kris ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
Kris Kennaway schrieb: On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 03:46:15PM +0200, Michael Nottebrock wrote: Meanwhile I found a workaround for my system: I had SCHED_ULE configured in my kernel - switching to SCHED_4BSD gets rid of the freezes. Should have thought of that sooner, ISTR having problems with powerd and SCHED_ULE even on single cpu P4s. I see you've now learned a reason why no-one should be using SCHED_ULE on FreeBSD 7 ;-) ... and with SCHED_ULE being obsoleted by SCHED_SMP in 7+, it might actually become the scheduler nobody was ever supposed to be using? It might still be worthwhile doing some experimenting with powerd and the different schedulers in -CURRENT, just in case 4BSD ever gets knocked from GENERIC. :) Cheers, -- ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Michael Nottebrock wrote: ... and with SCHED_ULE being obsoleted by SCHED_SMP in 7+, it might actually become the scheduler nobody was ever supposed to be using? It might still be worthwhile doing some experimenting with powerd and the different schedulers in -CURRENT, just in case 4BSD ever gets knocked from GENERIC. :) The _SMP variant has been integrated into the _ULE code in -current, so they are now the same thing. My understanding is that the intention is to make it the default scheduler for 7-stable, but I could be remembering that wrong. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 11:00:15PM +0200, Michael Nottebrock wrote: Kris Kennaway schrieb: On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 03:46:15PM +0200, Michael Nottebrock wrote: Meanwhile I found a workaround for my system: I had SCHED_ULE configured in my kernel - switching to SCHED_4BSD gets rid of the freezes. Should have thought of that sooner, ISTR having problems with powerd and SCHED_ULE even on single cpu P4s. I see you've now learned a reason why no-one should be using SCHED_ULE on FreeBSD 7 ;-) ... and with SCHED_ULE being obsoleted by SCHED_SMP in 7+, it might actually become the scheduler nobody was ever supposed to be using? It might still be worthwhile doing some experimenting with powerd and the different schedulers in -CURRENT, just in case 4BSD ever gets knocked from GENERIC. :) There has been so much publicity about SCHED_ULE being broken and contraindicated on 6.x and older versions that it's hard to understand why people persist in using it and then being surprised when it fails for them. It's also kind of irritating because it ties up developer time when problems are reported and it only later emerges that the user is using ULE. As you know, the version of ULE in 7.0 is completely revised, and has the advantage of actually working. If you see problems with ULE in 7.0, please report them on current. If you are still using ULE on -stable, please stop. Kris ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On Saturday 28 July 2007 14:47:17 Kris Kennaway wrote: On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 03:46:15PM +0200, Michael Nottebrock wrote: Meanwhile I found a workaround for my system: I had SCHED_ULE configured in my kernel - switching to SCHED_4BSD gets rid of the freezes. Should have thought of that sooner, ISTR having problems with powerd and SCHED_ULE even on single cpu P4s. I see you've now learned a reason why no-one should be using SCHED_ULE on FreeBSD 7 so using ULE in 7 is ok ? ? ? you already told once ULE is broken in 6 what is nonsense as probably using ULE in 7 is ... ULE in 6.x is absolutely ok and it runs depending on situation faster than 4BSD with correct kernel and sysctl settings for it and it is perfectly stable, specially with polling + net.isr.enable + net.inet.ip.forwarding + some other tweaks depending on the servers load and several NICs on a router probably up to 4-6MB continuous throughput when then 4BSD gets faster but not so much, small and midsize MySQL seems to be faster with ULE too especially with small r/w packages ULE also seems to be faster on a desktop with SMP and KDE on X2 CPUs and you can feel it -- João A mensagem foi scaneada pelo sistema de e-mail e pode ser considerada segura. Service fornecido pelo Datacenter Matik https://datacenter.matik.com.br ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On Saturday 28 July 2007 10:46:15 Michael Nottebrock wrote: JoaoBR schrieb: On Saturday 28 July 2007 07:10:21 Michael Nottebrock wrote: JoaoBR schrieb: On Saturday 28 July 2007 04:21:39 Michael Nottebrock wrote: JoaoBR schrieb: On Friday 27 July 2007 12:31:55 Nate Lawson wrote: JoaoBR wrote: Hi when I enable powerd with default flags (and any other also) the computer freezes some seconds after powerd is started. It does not reach login. Nothing in the logs. This is with amd 5000 X2 Am2 When i stick into the same computer a 4600 or 4200 it runs fine and smooth. I thought it is MB related and did the same and again the 5000 cpu freeze, the smaller ones not. Any idea what I should do? I use releng_6 amd and i386 same story and cpufreq and acpi is compiled. Disable powerd again and boot normally. Try changing the frequency with sysctl dev.cpu, etc. and see if any of the levels freeze for you. ok, this is what I get dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 2600/10 2400/85596 2200/72544 2000/60778 1800/50237 1000/25535 no need to say but the fan levels obviously are wrong And now the interesting part I shift to 2400 or any other and immediately freeze, that from kde konsole in single user mode I can shift up and down between all speeds and nothing happens [Jumping in from the thread started on -stable - http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-July/036395.htm l - see there for system details] Same here - in single user mode, even powerd works fine - like it does with SMP disabled - but no go in multiuser. I see some similar discussion on stable but I can not match with everything there because I have the problem only with the athlon 5000 cpu The CPU difference is interesting - exactly what model is your X2 4600+? Mine is a stepping F, model 4B, rev BH-F2 (Energy Efficient with 65W TDP). seems to be the same but I have better news and seems my first idea was right, the MB is it I found a tech info on the manufactor's support site telling cpu support up to 4600+ and found a bios for newer cpus including my 5000+ so I upgraded the bios and my CPU now works with smp + cpufreq + powerd on both amd64 and i386 Good to hear. Unfortunately my Mobo's BIOS is already up-to-date, the CPU is officially supported and Cool'n'Quiet works dandy in Windows XP ... =/ my ok msg was too fast, after some time my video starts flickering and stays so and the PC is freezed up, disabling powerd and works stable Meanwhile I found a workaround for my system: I had SCHED_ULE configured in my kernel - switching to SCHED_4BSD gets rid of the freezes. Should have thought of that sooner, ISTR having problems with powerd and SCHED_ULE even on single cpu P4s. here no change, I was already on 4BSD I tried both schedulers but my problem persist. Since my MB has a sis onboard vga I will try a PCIe on monday and see if it helps because when I disable DPMS in xorg.conf it stands longer here -- João A mensagem foi scaneada pelo sistema de e-mail e pode ser considerada segura. Service fornecido pelo Datacenter Matik https://datacenter.matik.com.br ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On 2007-Jul-28 19:03:54 -0300, JoaoBR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so using ULE in 7 is ok ? ? ? Yes. ULE in 6.x is absolutely ok and it runs depending on situation faster than 4BSD with correct kernel and sysctl settings for it and it is perfectly stable, This is simply wrong. ULE in 6.x is known to have problems and is unsupported. If the problems do not affect your particular workload then fine. If you have _any_ problems whilst running with ULE in 6.x, your problems will not be invstigated unless you can reproduce the problem with the 4BSD scheduler. As Kris stated, reporting problems in 6.x when you are running ULE is just wasting developer resources. Please stop implying that people should be using ULE in 6.x unless you are willing to personally provide support for them. -- Peter Jeremy pgpnFB7jwXUpV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On Saturday 28 July 2007 10:46:15 Michael Nottebrock wrote: Good to hear. Unfortunately my Mobo's BIOS is already up-to-date, the CPU is officially supported and Cool'n'Quiet works dandy in Windows XP ... =/ my ok msg was too fast, after some time my video starts flickering and stays so and the PC is freezed up, disabling powerd and works stable Meanwhile I found a workaround for my system: I had SCHED_ULE configured in my kernel - switching to SCHED_4BSD gets rid of the freezes. Should have thought of that sooner, ISTR having problems with powerd and SCHED_ULE even on single cpu P4s. I spend some time here on different MBs with the same 5000+ cpu, comparing i386 and amd64 I cvsuped both sources and compiled world and kernel an hour ago firstable, smp (either 4BSD or ULE) with powerd_enable (cpufreq in kernel) works as long as no xorg is started (GENERIC, no sysctl, no loader.conf options) nevertheless strange, on all MBs, same CPU: i386: dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 2600/10 2400/85596 2200/72544 2000/60778 1800/50237 1575/43957 1350/37677 1125/31398 1000/25535 875/22343 750/19151 625/15959 500/12767 375/9575 250/6383 125/3191 amd64:dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 2600/10 2400/85596 2200/72544 2000/60778 1800/50237 1000/25535 both, amd64 and i386 with same ports and up to date wether 4BSD or ULE on i386 freeze soon as xorg starts when powerd is enabled ULE freeze on xorg start before coming up and 4BSD comes up and works for a certain time on amd64 (5-30 minutes) all kernels are compiled with make.conf option CPUTYPE?=athlon64 beeing translated appearently to the same athlon-mp option when available somebody knows why I get different frequencies under i386 and amd64 for the same hardware? -- João A mensagem foi scaneada pelo sistema de e-mail e pode ser considerada segura. Service fornecido pelo Datacenter Matik https://datacenter.matik.com.br ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: powerd freeze with amd 5000 X2 but not with lower cpus
On Saturday 28 July 2007 20:21:02 Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2007-Jul-28 19:03:54 -0300, JoaoBR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so using ULE in 7 is ok ? ? ? Yes. I thought it is SCHED_SMP on 7 ... isn't it? if not forget my joke, I remember a msg from Roberson saying the _SMP will substitute _ULE on 7 but I do not use 7 so may be it changed later back to it's original name ULE in 6.x is absolutely ok and it runs depending on situation faster than 4BSD with correct kernel and sysctl settings for it and it is perfectly stable, This is simply wrong. ULE in 6.x is known to have problems and is unsupported. If the problems do not affect your particular workload then fine. If you have _any_ problems whilst running with ULE in 6.x, your problems will not be invstigated unless you can reproduce the problem with the 4BSD scheduler. interesting, what do you know? Do you have some data to share? I don't know where you got your info but I have 50 X2 SMP amd64 running and 25 or so dual-opteron dualcores with SCHED_ULE absolute rockstable and faster than 4BSD, as I mentioned under the circumstances I described before I also have more 40 or so X2s and 60 or so dual and quad opteron dualcores running 4BSD and before you tell me more blabla copied from newspapers and other cha-cha sources better you come to me with data (DATA=numbers) from *real* world As Kris stated, reporting problems in 6.x when you are running ULE is just wasting developer resources. well I also don't know where you got this because I *never ever* claimed any problem with ULE Please stop implying that people should be using ULE in 6.x unless you are willing to personally provide support for them. I also do not know where you got this because I also *never ever* implied using ULE, I simply say that I do *NOT* have any problem with it the way I use it So you please read the complete msgs and *try* to understand them before answering with distortions and irrelevant conversations -- João A mensagem foi scaneada pelo sistema de e-mail e pode ser considerada segura. Service fornecido pelo Datacenter Matik https://datacenter.matik.com.br ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
