Re: can we resurrect linux-firefox-1.5 ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16 Jan 2007, at 20:09, Luigi Rizzo wrote: Additionally, i could not find a way to make the flash plugin work, which is a major annoyance given the amount of flash content that one finds in the services i use daily (some work related too). You might give the native firefox a try with linuxpluginwrapper, linux-flashplugin-7 and run firefox as env XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 firefox (or edit /usr/local/bin/firefox and insert a export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1) still not optimal but trivial flash stuff should be usable. - - Ruben -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFsM+OZ88+mcQxRw0RAsJEAJ92iqOiBJaCJQOfoEzgxlRiH77UEwCfVbdR ZNj+vZj2iG+VswvvwEYDhTQ= =WmzW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can we resurrect linux-firefox-1.5 ?
On 2007-01-17, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Wednesday, 17 January 2007 at 3:16:44 +0100, Roland Smith wrote: Personally I like tabbed browsing a lot, but different strokes for different folks. It probably depends on your window manager. Tabs are a reasonable workaround for window managers that make it difficult to manage many windows. It probably depends on your personal preferences. Some people like sugar in their coffee, some don't, and some don't even like coffee. Some people like tabs, some people like multiple windows, and some people (the ones in my camp) like both at the same time. Firefox-1 and Firefox-2 allow you to work the way you want when it comes to windows and tabs. Cheers, Greg ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
can we resurrect linux-firefox-1.5 ?
[sorry if i don't post this to -ports, but i feel that this is really a -stable issue as it affects one widely used port] I am not sure if i am the only one, but on RELENG_6, linux-firefox 2 is basically unusable (see details below), while linux-firefox 1.5 is at least usable (even though it has some memory leak so after a while its size grows well above 3-400MB). Would it be possible to resurrect the linux-firefox 1.5 port (under a separate name) so at least people have a choice on which set of bugs they prefer ? The problems with linux firefox 2.0 are that after a little bit of browsing (let's say 50-100 pages) some of its threads seem to lock up, functions on the gui stop working (e.g. clicking on the tabs does not work anymore) and in the end you have to kill it hard. I have submitted a PR with more details. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/107219 cheers luigi ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can we resurrect linux-firefox-1.5 ?
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 01:06:45 -0800 Luigi Rizzo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to resurrect the linux-firefox 1.5 port (under a separate name) so at least people have a choice on which set of bugs they prefer ? What makes native firefox unsuitable for you? -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen, Norway ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can we resurrect linux-firefox-1.5 ?
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 07:37:22PM +0100, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 01:06:45 -0800 Luigi Rizzo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to resurrect the linux-firefox 1.5 port (under a separate name) so at least people have a choice on which set of bugs they prefer ? What makes native firefox unsuitable for you? Have not tried recently, i admit, but the many times i tried (up to a few months ago and with 1.0.5 or 1.0.7) it crashed randomly while browsing, within a few hours of use, and this was enough for me to give up. Additionally, i could not find a way to make the flash plugin work, which is a major annoyance given the amount of flash content that one finds in the services i use daily (some work related too). firefox is not one of the most reliable applications around, but these days using a browser is a necessary evil for just too many things (including 'paperwork' that you have to do for your job, bank, bills and so on). It is already enough of a pain to do this as a non-Explorer user; i don't want also the impairment of a crippled firefox! cheers luigi ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can we resurrect linux-firefox-1.5 ?
Mate If you had any idea how many RFC's IE violates and and how many bugs there are in it you would never have made a statement like that. Using firefox in windows even will save you from a lot of malware and other bugs that are floating around online. -Clay - Original Message - From: Luigi Rizzo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:09 PM Subject: Re: can we resurrect linux-firefox-1.5 ? On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 07:37:22PM +0100, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 01:06:45 -0800 Luigi Rizzo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to resurrect the linux-firefox 1.5 port (under a separate name) so at least people have a choice on which set of bugs they prefer ? What makes native firefox unsuitable for you? Have not tried recently, i admit, but the many times i tried (up to a few months ago and with 1.0.5 or 1.0.7) it crashed randomly while browsing, within a few hours of use, and this was enough for me to give up. Additionally, i could not find a way to make the flash plugin work, which is a major annoyance given the amount of flash content that one finds in the services i use daily (some work related too). firefox is not one of the most reliable applications around, but these days using a browser is a necessary evil for just too many things (including 'paperwork' that you have to do for your job, bank, bills and so on). It is already enough of a pain to do this as a non-Explorer user; i don't want also the impairment of a crippled firefox! cheers luigi ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can we resurrect linux-firefox-1.5 ?
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:09:35 -0800 Luigi Rizzo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the many times i tried (up to a few months ago and with 1.0.5 or 1.0.7) it crashed randomly while browsing, within a few hours of use, and this was enough for me to give up. First: I find that running native firefox _without_ the flash plugin improves the stability a lot. I don't really *need* flash, so I can live with that. YMMV. Second; firefox crashes happens a lot rarer now that they useed to do. This is from my main workstation: [EMAIL PROTECTED] uname -a FreeBSD kg-work.kg4.no 6.2-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-PRERELEASE #1: Sat Nov 18 13:59:20 CET 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SS51G i386 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uptime 10:03PM up 29 days, 21:23, 15 users, load averages: 0.14, 0.42, 0.53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ls -l /var/log/mess* -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 7873 Jan 14 23:55 /var/log/messages -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 11134 Jan 1 23:00 /var/log/messages.0.bz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 6887 Nov 14 21:00 /var/log/messages.1.bz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 4194 Nov 1 01:00 /var/log/messages.2.bz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 8962 Oct 23 18:00 /var/log/messages.3.bz2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] bzgrep firefox /var/log/mess* /var/log/messages.0.bz2:Nov 18 11:43:26 kg-work kernel: pid 2180 (firefox-bin), uid 1001: exited on signal 10 (core dumped) /var/log/messages.0.bz2:Dec 8 19:31:58 kg-work kernel: pid 22038 (firefox-bin), uid 1001: exited on signal 10 (core dumped) Third, some time ago (perhaps with version 2.0.0?) firefox gained the restore session capability, which also helps. Additionally, i could not find a way to make the flash plugin work, which is a major annoyance given the amount of flash content that one finds in the services i use daily (some work related too). If linux-firefox isn't working for youhere, I really don't have any good suggestions. I would prefer that a stable, working flash plugin for native firefox, which would install with a simple portinstall. A man can dream, can't he? firefox is not one of the most reliable applications around, but these days using a browser is a necessary evil for just too many things (including 'paperwork' that you have to do for your job, bank, bills and so on). There was an informal survey in a norwegian newgroup last week; it seems that most (but not all) Norwegian internet-banking (web banking) solutions work fine with Firefox, Opera and other browsers. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen, Norway ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can we resurrect linux-firefox-1.5 ?
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 10:14:41PM +0100, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: ... If linux-firefox isn't working for youhere, I really don't have any The 1.5.x version _is_ working for me. It is 2.0.x that exhibits severe problems. My complaint (to get back on the topic) is that 1.5 disappeared from the ports replaced by a less stable version. Sure, we might not know when the port was upgraded, but if experience teaches something, release N+1.0 of something is usually buggier than release N.X of the same software. So i am just advocating to keep the stable version around while the current one becomes stable enough. After all, in ports we have six versions of openoffice.org, four versions of staroffice, six versions of emacs/xemacs, etc. (not counting language-specific or other versions with minor variations) I understand that having multiple versions of the same thing is less than ideal, but for binary-only things where we have no chance to fix issues with with local patches, it makes a lot of sense. cheers luigi ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can we resurrect linux-firefox-1.5 ?
If you had any idea how many RFC's IE violates and and how many bugs there are in it you would never have made a statement like that. I don't think here ever said that IE was *better*, just that it was necessary for certain sites (which is undeniably true) and that if all you have available is Firefox then you at least want to have a working stable Firefox. It does seem to boil down the the flash issue though - for me native Firefox is stable, until I try and add flash. So I live without flash, but that measn there are a number of things I just can't do, as well as the IE only sites (which are becomming rare). In the end I bundle any such jobs up and do them at home where I keep an x64-XP box for such things. If the most stable flash enabled player on FreeBSD is linux-firefox 1.5 then it would be nice to have it in ports. -pete. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can we resurrect linux-firefox-1.5 ?
On 1/16/07, Luigi Rizzo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So i am just advocating to keep the stable version around while the current one becomes stable enough. You can get that port back to a specific date (e.g. with sysutils/portdowngrade) and reinstall the version which better applies your needs. cheers luigi Ciao -- Pietro Cerutti ICQ: 117293691 PGP: 0x9571F78E - ASCII Ribbon Campaign - against HTML e-mail and proprietary attachments www.asciiribbon.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can we resurrect linux-firefox-1.5 ?
Hello, linux-firefox-2.0.0.1 works fine for me. Cheers, -vlado vlado.srv# uname -a FreeBSD srv.g1.netng.org 6.2-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-PRERELEASE #1: Fri Nov 3 20:20:33 CET 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usrmnt/src/sys/SRV i386 vlado.srv# ll /var/db/pkg/ | grep firefox drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 9 led 20:06 firefox-2.0.0.1,1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 8 led 08:18 linux-firefox-2.0.0.1 vlado.srv# ll /var/db/pkg/ | grep flash drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 7 led 13:21 libflash-0.4.13_1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 7 led 13:03 linux-flashplugin-7.0r69 Pete French píše v út 16. 01. 2007 v 22:07 +: If you had any idea how many RFC's IE violates and and how many bugs there are in it you would never have made a statement like that. I don't think here ever said that IE was *better*, just that it was necessary for certain sites (which is undeniably true) and that if all you have available is Firefox then you at least want to have a working stable Firefox. It does seem to boil down the the flash issue though - for me native Firefox is stable, until I try and add flash. So I live without flash, but that measn there are a number of things I just can't do, as well as the IE only sites (which are becomming rare). In the end I bundle any such jobs up and do them at home where I keep an x64-XP box for such things. If the most stable flash enabled player on FreeBSD is linux-firefox 1.5 then it would be nice to have it in ports. -pete. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can we resurrect linux-firefox-1.5 ?
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 11:41:22PM +0100, Pietro Cerutti wrote: On 1/16/07, Luigi Rizzo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So i am just advocating to keep the stable version around while the current one becomes stable enough. You can get that port back to a specific date (e.g. with sysutils/portdowngrade) and reinstall the version which better applies your needs. which is what i did - but it is an annoyance and not something that the average user wants/knows how to do. That is the reason why we have -stable and -current after all. luigi ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can we resurrect linux-firefox-1.5 ?
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 10:07:39PM +, Pete French wrote: If you had any idea how many RFC's IE violates and and how many bugs there are in it you would never have made a statement like that. I don't think here ever said that IE was *better*, just that it was necessary for certain sites (which is undeniably true) and that if all you have available is Firefox then you at least want to have a working stable Firefox. exactly. cheers luigi ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can we resurrect linux-firefox-1.5 ?
On 2007-01-16, Luigi Rizzo wrote: The 1.5.x version _is_ working for me. It is 2.0.x that exhibits severe problems. I was surprised and annoyed when I found that the reasonably reliable 1.5.x version had been replaced by 2.0, partly because I expected it to be less reliable and partly because some of the extensions I used no longer worked and partly because the user interface had some changes I didn't like. However, it has been my experience in the 6+ weeks I've been using it that 2.0 is better in every way than 1.5 and it is certainly more stable and works better with the flash plugin (something I hate but just have to use). I know that's not going to fix your problem, but I'd be interested to see if you could get to a working setup with 2.0 by running it with a limited set of extensions. Initially, I was cross about some issues with my once-favourite extension (session-manager or some similar name), but now that I've used the builtin session recovery capability, I no longer need that extension. The only extensions I have in my 2.0 setup now are Adblock Plus, NoScript and Smart Middle Click and it has been exemplary in its behaviour -- i.e., it has crashed twice in 6 weeks and it is running 24 hours a day with at least 5 windows and 50 or more tabs open at all times. And it recovered all the open tabs fine after the two crashes. Cheers, Greg ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can we resurrect linux-firefox-1.5 ?
On Wednesday, 17 January 2007 at 9:56:51 +1000, Greg Black wrote: On 2007-01-16, Luigi Rizzo wrote: The 1.5.x version _is_ working for me. It is 2.0.x that exhibits severe problems. I was surprised and annoyed when I found that the reasonably reliable 1.5.x version had been replaced by 2.0, partly because I expected it to be less reliable and partly because some of the extensions I used no longer worked and partly because the user interface had some changes I didn't like. Same here. However, it has been my experience in the 6+ weeks I've been using it that 2.0 is better in every way than 1.5 and it is certainly more stable and works better with the flash plugin (something I hate but just have to use). I can't agree. It has hijacked some keys used by Wikipedia (alt-S, alt-P), and so far I've found it impossible to disable tabs, something that was barely possible under 1.5. Tell me how to fix that and I'll be marginally happy; presumably they'll gradually fix the stability problems. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. pgpidbjw7wL6p.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: can we resurrect linux-firefox-1.5 ?
On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 11:37:53AM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: I can't agree. It has hijacked some keys used by Wikipedia (alt-S, alt-P), and so far I've found it impossible to disable tabs, something that was barely possible under 1.5. Tell me how to fix that and I'll be marginally happy; presumably they'll gradually fix the stability problems. You could set browser.tabs.forceHide to true in about:config. That should get rid of the tabbar. Set browser.link.open_external and browser.link.open_newwindow to 2 to open new pages in a new window. Personally I like tabbed browsing a lot, but different strokes for different folks. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpCw3eyiC3pF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: can we resurrect linux-firefox-1.5 ?
On Wednesday, 17 January 2007 at 3:16:44 +0100, Roland Smith wrote: On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 11:37:53AM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: I can't agree. It has hijacked some keys used by Wikipedia (alt-S, alt-P), and so far I've found it impossible to disable tabs, something that was barely possible under 1.5. Tell me how to fix that and I'll be marginally happy; presumably they'll gradually fix the stability problems. You could set browser.tabs.forceHide to true in about:config. That should get rid of the tabbar. Set browser.link.open_external and browser.link.open_newwindow to 2 to open new pages in a new window. Thank you! I had done some of these changes, but not all. Now it works. Personally I like tabbed browsing a lot, but different strokes for different folks. It probably depends on your window manager. Tabs are a reasonable workaround for window managers that make it difficult to manage many windows. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. pgp9AEtAX9etx.pgp Description: PGP signature
