Re: [Freedos-user] they could change to freedos :P

[mcelhanon]

First, the response was in reference to a MS NT setup, that would
require commercial licensing fees that could easily run into hundreds
or even thousands of dollars, unless the idea was to try and get away
with operating an unlicensed setup and hope not to get sued. Of
course, a knowledgeable person could do it with open source software
as well. That just wasn't what was described.

Second, the setup required a "php-based web interface to a database",
which would require a knowledgeable person to configure for the needs
of the convention. If that skill wasn't freely available to the
convention organizers, then they would have to pay for that work.

The hardware is minor. A satisfactory server-based system could
probably be put together with hardware currently considered "obsolete"
by industry standards for even less then you quoted. It is the cost of
legal use and skilled labor that could easily push it to 100x the cost
of the original setup described. Assuming that the organizers did all
the setup themselves, they probably didn't spend anything. Probably
sprang for some new floppy disks would be about it.

On 5/28/14, Christopher Evans  wrote:
> 100x the cost?  what the cost of a server ? 400. a couple of surplus
> laptops at 200 a wifi router for 150 = 750 estimate
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>> A far superior arrangement for probably 100x the cost. Perhaps the
>> convention organizers preferred to spend that money on things that
>> were more meaningful to the convention attendees. Or maybe they just
>> wanted to keep the money for themselves? Who knows?
>>
>>
>> On 5/27/14, Christopher Evans  wrote:
>> > I would have implemented WinNT networked laptops running a php
>> registration
>> > signin/signup form in a browser that communicates with central
>> > database.
>> > and allow badge printing by network printer.
>> >
>> >
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>> > On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 8:14 PM, dmccunney
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Matej Horvat
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > So the fact that DOS was used is completely irrelevant, though it is
>> >> > nice
>> >> > to know it's being used. :)
>> >>
>> >> DOS pops up in odd places.  In 2006, I attended LACon IV, the 54th
>> >> annual World Science Fiction Convention, held that year in Los
>> >> Angeles, CA.  The Worldcon attracts  about 5,000 attendees.
>> >> Registration for the event was handled in DOS.  They had a batch of
>> >> ancient laptops with a 3.5" floppy drive but no HD.  They booted from
>> >> a DOS floppy, and ran DBase III.  Once DBase was running, they swapped
>> >> in a data disk where registration info was stored as people
>> >> registered.  When registration got busy, they added more registrars
>> >> and handed out more old laptops.  Once an hour or so, they'd do a
>> >> synchronization operation so everyone had a current copy of the
>> >> database.  The registration head who set up the system had been a
>> >> programmer at Ashton-Tate back when, and "wrote some of the more
>> >> annoying stuff in DBase III".
>> >>
>> >> I was tickled.  Most such conventions use networked PCs with the
>> >> database residing on a backend server, or perhaps terminals connected
>> >> to a multi-user server running Linux.  This dispensed with servers,
>> >> networks, and current PCs, using only ancient recycled hardware and
>> >> MS-DOS era software.  It did the job while eliminating several levels
>> >> of complexity and cost.  I told the guy who set it all up that it was
>> >> a perfectly valid approach, and one I would not have thought of.  I
>> >> was impressed, and said so.
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Re: [Freedos-user] they could change to freedos :P

[mcelhanon]

A far superior arrangement for probably 100x the cost. Perhaps the
convention organizers preferred to spend that money on things that
were more meaningful to the convention attendees. Or maybe they just
wanted to keep the money for themselves? Who knows?


On 5/27/14, Christopher Evans  wrote:
> I would have implemented WinNT networked laptops running a php registration
> signin/signup form in a browser that communicates with central database.
> and allow badge printing by network printer.
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 8:14 PM, dmccunney
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Matej Horvat
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > So the fact that DOS was used is completely irrelevant, though it is
>> > nice
>> > to know it's being used. :)
>>
>> DOS pops up in odd places.  In 2006, I attended LACon IV, the 54th
>> annual World Science Fiction Convention, held that year in Los
>> Angeles, CA.  The Worldcon attracts  about 5,000 attendees.
>> Registration for the event was handled in DOS.  They had a batch of
>> ancient laptops with a 3.5" floppy drive but no HD.  They booted from
>> a DOS floppy, and ran DBase III.  Once DBase was running, they swapped
>> in a data disk where registration info was stored as people
>> registered.  When registration got busy, they added more registrars
>> and handed out more old laptops.  Once an hour or so, they'd do a
>> synchronization operation so everyone had a current copy of the
>> database.  The registration head who set up the system had been a
>> programmer at Ashton-Tate back when, and "wrote some of the more
>> annoying stuff in DBase III".
>>
>> I was tickled.  Most such conventions use networked PCs with the
>> database residing on a backend server, or perhaps terminals connected
>> to a multi-user server running Linux.  This dispensed with servers,
>> networks, and current PCs, using only ancient recycled hardware and
>> MS-DOS era software.  It did the job while eliminating several levels
>> of complexity and cost.  I told the guy who set it all up that it was
>> a perfectly valid approach, and one I would not have thought of.  I
>> was impressed, and said so.
>> __
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Re: [Freedos-user] hpa

[mcelhanon]

Have you read this information about HPA (host protected area) on Wikipedia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_protected_area

It might provide some help with removing it.  However, I suspect that
the problem is as you have assumed that it can't be done with an
usb-to-ide adapter because of the way the firmware of the adapter
accesses the hard drive.

There are also very compact sata-to-ide adapters like this:

http://www.amazon.com/PSATA-Ultra-SATA-Converter-Adapter/dp/B003AG5CN6/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1400254863&sr=8-15&keywords=sata+to+ide

that might allow you to fit it in your computer. However, I am not
recommending this particular item. I have brought one myself in the
past and it does work with IDE hard drives, but I could not get it to
work with IDE CD-ROMs (as is depicted in the ad). It is a tricky
little piece of hardware to use and you have to be careful with it
(read the comments with the ad). But, if your lucky to get a good one,
it does allow connecting an IDE hard drive in a SATA machine with very
limited space. It requires a 5 volt connector for power like is used
on the old 3.5 inch floppy drives, so you may need an additional power
adapter beyond what comes with the package to use it.





On 5/15/14, kurt godel  wrote:
> I  too have always used xp on fat! As for ide to sata adapter, the sata
> machine is too cramped to fit it. As for "wipe", is that a dos app? Are you
> sure it could remove the HPA partition? I have already used a bootable
> cd with active killdisk to wipe the drive, but, ostensibly, regular wipers
> cannot even access the HPA to delete it. I know 'hdparm' can do it at low
> level access. Trust me, the ide machine is kaput!.
>

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[mcelhanon]

You could try using a SATA to IDE adapter in your other machine. That
would probably provide the low-level access to the partition table the
software needs.

Do you know why the old IDE machine is non-functional? If you have the
time to troubleshoot the problem it might be something cheap and easy
to repair and you could restore that machine for purposes like this.

Those are my ideas, good luck.



On 5/15/14, kurt godel  wrote:
> Have an old 80 gig hard drive with an HPA(host protected access) partition,
> which is wasting space; tried to use linux function 'hdparm'
> on it using an ide/usb adapter, but recieved message "bad or missing sense
> data", exactly what I get with flash drives and sd cards.
>Threw the drive in an old ide machine to hit it with hdparm, but the
> machine is non-functional. My other machine is sata only.
>Any ideas to do this?
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Re: [Freedos-user] Load file sys driver in dconfig.sys?

[mcelhanon]

There is this DOS utility created in the mid 1990s called "spawn" by
Geoff Chappell in Australia. I do not know if it will work with
FreeDOS, I've only used it with MS DOS. It allows DOS program
execution (exe file) from config.sys during boot. It will not run a
resident program from conventional memory, but I did used to to run
resident programs from upper memory without problem. It might do what
you want.

This Geoff Chappell did not include any license declaration or
distribution restrictions with this utility, but it does include the
ASM source code. I did a quick search on the Internet before writing
this to see if I could find a link to a repository where a download
was available, but all I could find was other software of a similar
name. The copy I have is an 11kb ZIP file named "SPAWN.ZIP" created in
1997 that includes a compiled "spawn.sys' driver along with the ASM
source code. I wish I could tell you where to download it.

If it does work with the DOS version your using, you would still have
to spend some time experimenting with the order of execution in
dconfig.sys for things to work. I remember that it worked quite
reliably once I figured out the correct configuration, but there is
not much user instruction included.

On 5/3/14, Ray Davison  wrote:
> Is it possible to load an exe file system driver in dconfig.sys?
>
> I have a DOS HPFS driver that works OK, but I would like it to get a
> drive letter before the DVDs.
>
> What is available for reading NTFS used in WXP, W7?
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Screen resolution problem on Thinkpad 760ED

[mcelhanon]

You ought to go to the Lenovo support site and download the DOS
utilities for your laptop:

http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/research/hints-or-tips/detail.page?&DocID=HT072408

You will have to scroll down and read all the various tools and
utilities available for different OSs.  You want the stuff for
DOS/Win3.1, there will be the option of just installing the DOS
drivers and utilities, and you will be able to do a lot of stuff, like
change the screen resolution, using DOS commands.


On 1/23/14, Jovan Trujillo  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>I have freedos build 2038pre/2036svn installed on a Thinkpad 760ED.
> Everything works fine except that the screen is shrunk to the center of the
> display. I've messed with mode and con to try to get the console to fill up
> the whole display without success. Has anybody had a similar problem? What
> did you do to fix it? I'm thinking it needs to run in SVGA resolution but I
> don't think FreeDOS supports such a text mode.
>
> Thanks,
> Jovan
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Re: [Freedos-user] Windows 3.1 in Freedos

[mcelhanon]

Dennis' memory is just fine.  Windows 3.1 only needs an extended
memory manager (such as HIMEM.SYS), it does not use expanded memory
for either, standard or enhanced modes.  However, it was always common
practice to use the expanded memory manager (EMM386.EXE) with the
NOEMS switch in order to provide upper memory blocks (any RAM in the
640-1024KB range that is not used by the system BIOS) to load the real
mode DOS drivers, such as the CD-ROM driver and MSCDEX.EXE, in upper
memory to save conventional RAM (below 640KB) for DOS programs.

On 1/5/14, dmccunney  wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 3:55 PM, James Crawford 
> wrote:
>>
>> I tried running Windows 3.1 with all the memory driver choices that are
>> available at startup and none of them worked.  Is there another driver
>> available that will work with Windows 3.1?
>
> Out of curiosity, what happens if you try running Win 3.1 *without* a
> memory manager?  (Just load HIMEM.SYS to provide XMS,)
>
> Once loaded, Windows did its own memory management, and I don't think
> it necessarily needs EMM386 or the like.  It' been decades, and memory
> may be failing me.)
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Re: [Freedos-user] Compatible sound hardware?

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Hey sparky4, there is something you should understand.  There was not
really any "hardware standards" for the old ISA sound cards either.  I
still have 3 old computers with ISA slots.  1 has a genuine
SoundBlaster 8-bit card, another has a non-PnP SoundBlaster 16 (set up
with with jumpers), and a 3rd is called an 1853L (ES1868F chip) which
seems to emulate SoundBlaster better than the real SoundBlasters at
times.  While the SoundBlaster driver in most of the old DOS games
will work fine on any of these 3, there are many of the games that
will only work with 1 or 2 of these cards, even though they are set-up
is for SoundBlaster.  There are games that claim to use SoundBlaster,
but will not work on either of the real SoundBlaster cards, but work
great on the ES1868 (when the card is properly configured, it does
require a software set-up).  So, try to be happy with what you can get
to work with some of these old games, it never "always worked" for
anybody.


On 1/4/14, spar...@cock.li  wrote:
> *flips a table*
>
> This is one of the biggest things that pisses me off!
>
> I use an OEM sound blaster live! value card from year 2000
>
> I got sound from the card using the driver
> but there is a damn catch!
>
> No sound blaster 1st gen compatibility!
> There is adlib compatibility! and opl3!
> and there is sb16 compatibility!
>
> but damn it this makes me so mad!
>
> also there is there cards that have this support...
> you gotta look for them
>
> I gotta get a ForteMedia FM801...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_YMF7xx
>
> Here is a card that i must acquire to test!
>
> Here is a list of cards i have and tested but i do not really know if
> the sound blaster part of the card actually works i cannot remember!
> CT4810 - works opl3 sounds off
> CT5807 - i do not know if it works...
> tb400-2541-02 - works and the chip sounds off too
> es1370 - opl3 sounds a bit off
> startech pcisound5ch - issues..
>
>
> An issue with sound is that there is no hardware standard with the PCI
> cards
>
> Email me if you want my configuration software and the files of my sound
> setup on my pci machine
>
> <3
>
> My DOS game will include a driver that makes a virtual OPL3 chip for DOS
> and the game <3 I wanna make this
>
> There is soo many sound cards!
>
> a good powerful program is mpxplay it can play audio files and sound
> comes out of many many computers!
>
> http://4ch.mooo.com/fdos/pack/mpxplay.zip here is a freedos package i
> made!
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Re: [Freedos-user] running windows 3.1

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On 12/27/13, Michael Robinson  wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-12-27 at 10:40 -0500, James Crawford wrote:
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a Pentium 3 running Freedos alone.  I tried to load Win 3.1 and
>> got the error :  Win 3.1 will not run in protected mode.  I understand
>> that the command.com runs in protected mode.  Do I have to change this
>> permanently to run Windows.  How do I get  Windows to work?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Crawford
>
> I have Windows 3.1 working on a Pentium 3 running freedos 1.1.  I think
> I'm using Jemmex for the memory manager and I believe I'm running it in
> 386 enhanced mode.  That said, I get a memory manager crash when I exit
> Windows 3.1 and I notice that Loderunner for whatever reason crashes
> before I reach the first level with bombs.  Too bad I can't get sound in
> Windows 3.1.  I have a Soundblaster 16, but it's the PCI version that
> only comes with an expanded memory dos driver, a Windows 9x driver, and
> XP drivers.
>
> I wish there was a 100% compatible replacement for Windows 3.1 that is
> free.  There is a lot of software that requires Windows 3.1.  ReactOS is
> an attempt to clone Windows NT and support Windows software designed for
> at least Windows XP.  Developers are trying to crank out a 0.4 release,
> the last release was 0.3.15 back in September.  See
> http://www.reactos.org.
>
> I wonder if someone could debug what is causing Windows 3.1 running on
> freedos to crash and develop workarounds?
>
> In other news, ReactOS is gaining an emulated dos environment of it's
> own.  Very recent development, so don't expect the environment to be
> stable.
>
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As far as getting the PCI SB16 to run in Win3.1:

The "DOS driver" is really just an emulator/controller that sets up
the PCI "Plug-N-Play" SB16 to show fixed address, IRQ, and DMA
settings for the real SoundBlaster drivers that are in any
"non-Plug-N-Play" DOS program that uses sound.  I don't know why the
Win3.1 SB16 driver that is available on many different Internet sites
(it is mostly used for running Win3.1 in virtual PC software) wouldn't
interface with that same emulator/controller.  In other words, if you
can play something like DOOM with full sound by merely setting the
DOOM SoundBlaster driver to use Address 220, IRQ 5, and DMA 1, the
Win3.1 driver should work the same way (I don't really know if that's
true, but I would try it anyway).

As for having a stable Win3.1 environment, I just go ahead and use
MS-DOS when I want to fool around with something in Win3.1 and use
FreeDOS for doing things FreeDOS has been developed to do.  MS is
known to put subtle bits of code in their products to try and keep
customers as "MicroSoft centric" as possible.  I doubt there would
ever be enough free development effort available to successfully
produce a 100% compatible clone of any MS operating systems.  Very few
people have that much "free" time in their lives (at least, not those
that have a life...)

That being said, I do know that one of the things that might be
causing stability problems is how Win3.1 grabs as much memory as it
can when it goes into enhanced mode.  Remember, Win3.1 was designed
back when the average new "high-end" PC only had maybe 4 MB of total
memory available.  MS wanted it to run well on such machines and one
of the tricks they used was to grab any kilobytes of ram available in
the upper and high memory areas.  Those particular memory addresses
are used in special ways in the DOS environment and the FreeDOS memory
managers operate in strictly standardized and documented ways while MS
did not.  Maybe if you used exclude statements in the SYSTEM.INI file
to force Windows to stay away from those areas some of these stability
problems might go away.  Just an idea.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Desqview

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The copy I have was being thrown away at the place I worked almost 2
decades ago.  I fooled around with it back then, experimenting with
the various configurations that are possible with DESQview, but never
found any real use for it that couldn't be done more flexibly with
other choices.  This current installation was just done by starting
with basic config.sys and autoexec.bat files (like what you get with
the default DOS installation) and then running the QEMM and DESQview
installation program, which creates new config.sys and autoexec.bat
files.  This setup the DESQview 386 configuration which uses Expanded
Memory to page the multiple DOS programs back and forth from the
program memory area (first 640KB).  It initially worked with QEMM just
fine, but when I started trying to load the IBM hardware drivers the
computer wouldn't boot.  So, I used the MS DOS memory management
(which is the same as IBM's PC DOS) and didn't have any problems.

It really didn't take any "guru-type" savvy to get it working, but it
can make it more tedious to make farther changes to the start-up
configuration files.  Providing you have enough memory, the program
doesn't seem to have any trouble juggling up to 4 DOS real-mode
programs (programs that will run in ~512KB ram).  It's sort of like
running command-line Linux with 4 virtual terminals open.


On 7/15/13, john s wolter  wrote:
> I have a license and have used this.  I see it as a wonder you've gotten
> this far.
>
> Cheers,
> John S Wolter
> 
> LinkedIn: johnswolter 
> johnswol...@wolterworks.com
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>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:55 AM,  wrote:
>
>> I have a retail box copy of DESQview version 2.42 with all the
>> accompanying manuals.  In the error messages appendix says the
>> following about this error:
>>
>> "The DESQview command you performed tried to read the indicated
>> DESQview file, but couldn't."
>>
>> "If you decide the indicated file is bad, delete it and then reinstall
>> DESQview.  There is no harm in reinstalling DESQview over the same
>> version of an existing system."
>>
>> In addition, it says:
>>
>> "Sometimes, loading memory-resident programs prior to starting up
>> DESQview, or allocating too few DOS file handles (by the FILES command
>> in your CONFIG.SYS file), can cause this error.  Also, if DESQview
>> cannot find the .DVO (Open Window Menu) file this message will appear
>> as a Startup Message."
>>
>> On an installation of this program that I have on an old computer, the
>> DESQVIEW.DVO file is 249 bytes.  You are correct that QEMM is not
>> required (at least for the version I have) because I am running
>> DESQview 386 using MS HIMEM.SYS and EMM386.EXE without problems.  This
>> is because some IBM drivers I have for this old computer would not
>> work with QEMM.
>>
>> I don't know if this is of any help, but it's all I know about the
>> problem.  Good luck.
>>
>>
>

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Re: [Freedos-user] Desqview

[mcelhanon]

I have a retail box copy of DESQview version 2.42 with all the
accompanying manuals.  In the error messages appendix says the
following about this error:

"The DESQview command you performed tried to read the indicated
DESQview file, but couldn't."

"If you decide the indicated file is bad, delete it and then reinstall
DESQview.  There is no harm in reinstalling DESQview over the same
version of an existing system."

In addition, it says:

"Sometimes, loading memory-resident programs prior to starting up
DESQview, or allocating too few DOS file handles (by the FILES command
in your CONFIG.SYS file), can cause this error.  Also, if DESQview
cannot find the .DVO (Open Window Menu) file this message will appear
as a Startup Message."

On an installation of this program that I have on an old computer, the
DESQVIEW.DVO file is 249 bytes.  You are correct that QEMM is not
required (at least for the version I have) because I am running
DESQview 386 using MS HIMEM.SYS and EMM386.EXE without problems.  This
is because some IBM drivers I have for this old computer would not
work with QEMM.

I don't know if this is of any help, but it's all I know about the
problem.  Good luck.



On 7/12/13, Jerome Ibanes  wrote:
> I'm having an issue running Deskview 2.8 on FreeDos, which I would
> describe as such:
>
> - Desqview 2.8 can be freely downloaded at http://www.chsoft.com/dv.html
> - I am not running QEMM (not required with Desqview).
> - I do want to run Desqview, "accept no substitute".
> - I am not running Dosbox.
>
> The installation process runs fine, but upon starting Desqview, I run
> across this error: "Missing (or bad) DESQview file: DESQVIEW.DVO".
> Subsequently, the application is then unable to run dos applications.
>
> Would anyone know how to address this issue? The file "DESQVIEW.DVO"
> is indeed present in C:\DV (where I installed Desqview).
>
> Thank you,
> J.
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Re: [Freedos-user] How to install Ontrack Disk Manager without floppy?

[mcelhanon]

I haven't messed with Ontrack Disk Manager in many years, but the
version I have is basically a DOS program.  So, you just need to boot
the computer into a DOS environment on a medium that has the Ontrack
software (the old version I have has all the Ontrack stuff in a single
600kB directory named "DM").  Will your computer boot a CD?  If so,
then create a CD that boots DOS and write the Ontrack software to the
CD while you are creating the CD.  Boot the computer from the CD and
then run the Ontrack software.  I remember that you just follow the
prompts as far as installing the Dynamic Drive Overlay to the hard
drive.

However, it has been many years, it may be that the Ontrack software
won't run right without a working floppy drive, I'm really not sure.
It is from the past when EVERY PC had a floppy drive.


On 2/10/13, sakura kinomoto  wrote:
>
>
> I wish to try Dinamic Drive Overlay, which can be used by Ontrack Disk
> manager
>
> (...any fdisk's, either in BasLinux or in FreeDos can not touch hdd after 8
> gb...)
> (and floppy device is broken, so, I can not use floppy)
>
> So, can you tell me any
> hint?
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Re: [Freedos-user] Windows 98SE and ipxwrapper...

[mcelhanon]

I just got around to reading this post and I have some specific
information that you might find useful.

I also still have an old PC Chips K6-2-500 motherboard with the SiS
530 AGP video.  It is set up in a box with a hard drive drawer
connected as the primary IDE master so I can just stick in any of
numerous old hard drives I have around and install an OS.  Just
something I play around with at times.

Just last week I took an old hard drive and installed Windows XP SP3
on this machine, and was surprised to find that it works just fine.
My box currently has 384MB of DIMM ram, I would suspect that would be
the minimum to try such a thing.  As an experiment, I also tried
running the latest version of the Firefox browser on this setup, and
it did not run so well.  So, while the OS seems to do just fine, I am
not claiming that this will enable you to effectively run any major
current software on this machine.  But, I'm sure you could run Windows
2000 on your computer, especially if you shut down all the unnecessary
services.

The video driver is available on the Internet, the one I found is packaged as:
   "530_108e_win2000.zip"
I don't remember the specific site, but I didn't have to register to
get the file, it is only 125KB.  It was released in 2000 and is, I
believe, the last driver ever released for this video adapter.  It
works just fine in XP.

Also, the SiS 530 doesn't seem to provide any VESA 2.0 support.  Until
this driver was installed, Windows XP only had the standard 640x480
16-color VGA display.

Finally, I do not encourage violating the EULA for anybody's software,
it is good to respect the developer and legal owner's wishes about
these things.  However, if all your talking about is using old copies
of software that you once actually paid for a single user license on
your own old computers in your own home, Microsoft doesn't care.  They
will NEVER say they don't care, but they really don't care.  Not even
Microsoft twits are that big of twits.  It is "illegal" the same as
riding in a car without a seat belt is "illegal", or going 3 miles per
hour over the posted speed limit is "illegal".  And even if there is
somebody at Microsoft who actually cares, they would NEVER attempt to
prosecute a private individual for this activity for, at least, 2
reasons:

1.  It is a potential PR disaster that can gain them nothing financially.

2.  Even with highly paid MS lawyers up against a local-yokel
attorney, there is still a 50-50 chance that some judge would bang
his/her gavel and declare the activity "fair use" (it has never been
officially challenged), and that is something Microsoft would NEVER
take such a chance over something so trivial.



On 12/20/12, Michael Robinson  wrote:
> Windows 98 sort of running on top of a DOS system doesn't work with
> ipxwrapper-0.4.0.  There is an error that iplphapi.dll can't be found
> or something similar.  Turns out, this DLL probably doesn't show up
> till Windows 2000.  So the thought of using Windows 98 boxes and
> Windows 7 boxes together goes out the Window.  A game that was
> originally run from the DOS command line if I'm not mistaken can't
> be run from Windows 98SE when Windows 7 is the master server.  Yikes!
>
> Hmm, I guess I could run 2000 instead even though the computer is only
> a K6-2 500 and I'd probably have to search for SIS 530 W2K video
> drivers.  Don't have a legal 2nd copy of 2000, but there doesn't seem to
> be a legal way to solve this.  There are a lot of games that aren't
> DOS games and aren't NT games.  Windows 98 in my opinion is a sort
> of aberration, Microsoft should have skipped Windows 9x in favor of
> bringing everyone into an NT environment sooner.
>
> I'm sure there is a dos driver for my Realtek 8139 10/100 network card.
> But ipxwrapper is intended for NT and HX probably won't run Warcraft II.
>
> I'd love something legal that isn't the full blown Windows 98SE to run
> games like Warcraft II and Diablo II that are in that transitional
> period.  I just hope that the ReactOS developers get something stable
> put together soon.
>
> I have a Windows XP Home upgrade kit, it is in use though.  I'm worried
> that XP won't even run on this old machine, but I guess stripped down I
> can get away with it.  Sadly, XP phones home so Microsoft will know that
> I'm running it illegally.
>
> What is needed is a protected mode DOS like Windows 98SE, but much
> lighter, that can run directx 6 or so and do the ipxwrapper trick.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] {Spam?} [OT] Problems in the ReactOS community...

[mcelhanon]

"There need to be consequences for unprofessionalism, faschism, etcetera.  I
honestly wonder if some of the developers are Neo Nazis."

This comes across as just a bit "over-the-top" (and poor spelling as
well...).  Fascist, Communist, Socialist, etc., these are people who
will systematically murder, or at best callously allow the deaths of,
millions of human beings in pursuit of their vision of a perfect
world.  To say that, "these people must be Nazis 'cause they were mean
to me", shows a total lack of comprehension of what Nazis were and
what they did to people.  Just being rude and offensive does not make
someone a Nazi.  Get a grip...



On 9/7/11, Michael C. Robinson  wrote:
> Freedos has it's place.  Unlike ReactOS, Freedos actually works most of
> the time.  Partially due to the fact the Freedos is based on something
> that is far less complex of course.  This is OT, but the relevance is
> that people suggest using ReactOS if and when Windows is wanted here.
> As far as don't talk about religion, politics, etcetera, I didn't intend
> to really.  An IRC chat channel about ReactOS is political by nature
> though where the ReactOS devs and moderators clearly have their own
> troublesome politics.  More troubling, I was threatened with arrest if I
> get on the ReactOS forums or IRC channel using a different name.  For an
> open source project, it seems to me that the developers and moderators
> are trying to exert a lot of control over people.  Professionalism is
> completely alien to the ReactOS community as far as I can tell, this is
> unfortunate and it is why I am recommending the formation of a new
> community to take over the project.
>
> Concerning sanction, that could shape up the current developers.  There
> need to be consequences for unprofessionalism, faschism, etcetera.  I
> honestly wonder if some of the developers are Neo Nazis.  Saying it is
> open source, it cannot be censored for this reason, is dangerous.  On
> this mailing list, talk like that seen on ReactOS IRC is not allowed.
> The people talking like misbehaved children, not the victims, would be
> banned from this list.
>
> Freedos is a great system for running orphanware and it is a great
> system for someone who needs to learn about operating systems.  I hope
> dosbox is something that will work in Syllable.
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