[Freedos-user] Status of freedos 1.1?

2008-05-20 Thread robinson-west user
Is it still stalled for the forseeable future?


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[Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1

2008-05-20 Thread robinson-west user
I would like to see programs written to work with GEM directly.
Updating
FDPKG to work through GEM would be really neat.  GEM is beautifully
simple.
I don't know about turbovision etcetera, but how hard would it be to
build
the installer on top of opengem?  Talk of needing a dos extender gui to
play Windows 9x games is not where the focus needs to be right now IMHO.

I think the focus for Freedos 1.1 should be: improve compatability,
fix bugs, and strengthen the documentation.  Add on software should be
saved for say Freedos 2.0 with a notable exception of scandisk.

Getting free defrag working on FAT32 would be a welcome improvement.
There needs to be a scandisk replacement.  The ReactOS project needs
these as well btw.

Is part of the compatability mess a matter of not wanting to code  
around the bugs in various popular programs?  Apparently, this  
happened in Windows 9x
for games like simcity.  IMO, coding around bugs is not a good idea.
Better
to replace those programs or pressure the producers of them to fix the
bugs.
The result of not programming around bugs will be a better freedos
overall.

A major point of freedos is being able to use older computers that
nothing
else will work on.  Dos died before Pentium 4's and modern multi core
behemoths came into existence.  There are many integrated sound and
video cards that there are no optimized dos drivers for.  The integrated
nic on my Intel D845PEBT2 is not supported by Crynwr.  Freedos is
supposed
to work on everything from an 8086 on up.  Packages that need a 386+ to
operate should be labelled at the installation step as such.  At one
point,
to bring dos back to life, you probably have to write optimized  
drivers for complex modern hardware.  This is likely to be difficult.   
How many companies
know how to write drivers for dos these days?

USBGEAR burned me recently with a USB sound card claiming that it would
work
in 98se when in fact there are no drivers for it and Microsoft isn't
going
to provide one.  Instead of writing a driver, the company got defensive
and
said I should complain to Microsoft.  It's a USB 1.1 sound card with
speaker
and mic plug ins.  here is a link:

http://www.usbgear.com/computer_cable_details.cfm?sku=USBG-
X3S&cats=121&catid=121

I don't want to see anyone else get burned.

So is freedos 1.1 still stalled?  I want to see freedos get a bit
farther.
Disk checking is needed along with other fat32 compatible tools.  I want
to
see the improved installer Jim envisions and an improved package
management
capability that lets you select from a menu at any time.  Integration of
FDPKG with opengem would be really nice.


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[Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1

2008-07-01 Thread robinson-west user
A bug fixed 1.0 with broader network card support via crynwr or a
porting of the Linux network drivers would be great.  Another thing
I'd like is a way to increase the resolution in opengem.

Another thing I'd like to see is a decoupling of arachne's pop client
as some people, like me, use imap.  One of the reasons people like dos
is that it follows KISS, keep it simple, better than Windows does.
Having everything including the kitchen sink integrated is not good.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1

2008-07-02 Thread robinson-west user
> > is that it follows KISS, keep it simple, better than Windows does.
> > Having everything including the kitchen sink integrated is not good.
> 
> Why do you ask for "broader network card support" then? ;-)

More drivers need to be available.  They don't need to be integrated.
For example, the D845PEBT2 mobo by Intel has a built in nic that isn't
supported by crynwr.  I wonder if cards based on the Thunderlan chipset
work?  It should be possible to look at the Linux drivers and figure out
how to work the hardware of a number of unsupported network cards.

Stability is more important than hardware support.  

I want to see a scandisk replacement.  I want to see defrag do it's job
faster.  Tools to check and defragment NTFS volumes would be nice.

When I'm speaking of integration, I'm talking very specifically about
Microsoft's tendency to make you use one piece of software that you
may not need in order to use another.  Microsoft got slapped for
bundling Internet Explorer in Windows 98 and making it 
"part of the OS."

Arachne assumes that you need a pop3 client, which is often a 
wrong assumption.  Yes, someone needs to bring this up with 
Arachne's developer.  If Microsoft was not an application and
OS producing company...  things  would be different.  
Microsoft over bundles, but Linux is getting that way too 
unfortunately.


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[Freedos-user] hardware testing...

2008-07-13 Thread robinson-west user
Are there any freedos compatible programs to test 
my Intel D845PEBT2 motherboard?  I'm having trouble 
getting Fedora Core 9 to work on it.  Dirk Dashing
randomly slows way down.  I'm also having sound
problems.  I'm wondering if this is a software
issue, but I can't rule out hardware failure.

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[Freedos-user] COCO 3 and freedos...

2008-08-18 Thread robinson-west user
I have a Tandy Color Computer 3.  My 5.25" floppies are mostly dead.
What I'm wondering is, beyond software to read COCO disks under dos is
there software that will allow me to replace the disk drives via a
serial link to my dos machine?  There is Drivewire, but I think it is
designed for Windows.

http://www.cloud9tech.com/

 Michael Robinson


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Re: [Freedos-user] COCO 3 and freedos..

2008-08-26 Thread robinson-west user
On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 22:35 -0500, Mike Webb wrote:
> > Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:05:05 -0700
> > From: robinson-west user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > I have a Tandy Color Computer 3.  My 5.25" floppies are mostly dead.
> > What I'm wondering is, beyond software to read COCO disks under dos is
> > there software that will allow me to replace the disk drives via a
> > serial link to my dos machine?  There is Drivewire, but I think it is
> > designed for Windows.
> >
> > http://www.cloud9tech.com/
> >
> > Michael Robinson
> 
> I'm not exactly sure what you're wanting to do, Michael, but if your
> drives are dead and the disks are readable, I just checked on eBay and
> there are a number of 5-1/4" drives being offered; 360K, 1.2M, and
> combo. Hope this helps.

My floppies are probably dead.  Even a perfect disk drive won't in all
likelihood read them.  5 1/4" disk drive technology seems to be dead,
where do you get 5 1/4" floppies these days?  3 1/2" floppy drive tech
is going out even where the color computer never supported high density
disks of any kind.  What I want to do is get away from disks completely
and use the color computer's serial port to send my COCO programs to my
486 running Freedos 1.0 natively.

To do this, I know I need a special RS232 cable that connects to my COCO
3's din serial port and a standard serial port on my 486.  I also need a
serial program on both machines.  I figure I can pick up a tape drive to
store and load the serial program that the COCO needs.  Nobody supports
using a Freedos PC as a virtual hard drive(s) via the serial port for a
COCO.  There are programs for Windows, but I don't want to bother with
Windows on my old 486.  I want to be able to save machine language and
basic program files that work on my COCO on my 486 and retrieve them
from the COCO.  I don't know how to write the software for the COCO and
the 486 running Freedos to do this, but if I did I'd release it under
the GNU general public license.  A solution that allows use of the COCO
serial port to save and retrieve files on an IBM PC running dos could be
enhanced to do this for a Commodore 64 as well.  These old computers are
great tools for first time programmers to learn on, but saving to tape
is the pits and disk drives are going out.  Yes you can pick up a hard
drive package for the COCO, but these packages are very expensive.  Who
wants to spend $100+ on a 40 pin IDE or SCSI controller that plugs into
their COCO from http://www.cloud9tech.com anyways?  A serial cable and
open source software is cheap in comparison to a cloud9 hard drive kit.
You can pick up 15 gig hard drives for $15 on ebay, I shudder to think
what cloud9 will request for a 4 gig drive.  What I probably need to do
is implement ftp client over serial software on the COCO 3 and an >
http://www.cloud9tech.com/
ftp server on the Freedos 486.

How do you do serial port programming in Freedos?  I want to network
the COCO 3 and the Freedos 1.0 486 over a serial link with the 486 being
an ftp server and the COCO 3 an ftp client.  Any help would be very much
appreciated as long as the assistance is compatible with the 
GNU GPL ;-)  Note, done right this software would work on a Pentium 4 
with SATA drives and a serial port running Freedos 1.0.  The cable with
the right pin information is makeable.  The software is a bit tougher.

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Re: [Freedos-user] COCO 3 and freedos..

2008-08-26 Thread robinson-west user

> Just to name two more popular examples. I guess there are more homebrew 
> made solutions out there...
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Wolfram

So how do I do serial programming under Freedos?  Where would I look for
information on how to do this?  I could start out perhaps by programming
two Freedos PCS to talk to each other over a serial port before trying
to program my 6809E based COCO to do serial communication.

There is a solution from http://cloud9tech.com/ to communicate with a
Windows based PC from a Color Computer over the serial port.  It stands
to reason that this should also be doable with a Freedos system as the
server.  The Coco 3 can run something called HDB-DOS, if that helps me. 

Yes the 6809 is old, but it is a very simple and for it's day powerful
computer.  This would be a great piece of software for COCO fans.

So I need the information to do serial programming on both the Freedos 1
side and the 6809 side, where do I look?

Even if there are tools for the Commodore 64, how about the Apple IIe?

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[Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status

2008-08-26 Thread robinson-west user
What is the latest on Freedos 1.1?  A new installer, updated packages,
and the addition of fdupdate.  Is significant work being done?
I notice that there is a call to action on the freedos web site, so
status wise what is happening?

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[Freedos-user] Games report...

2008-09-06 Thread robinson-west user
Populous II won't install under Freedos, but it will run.

Wolfenstein 3D will install, but it's not playable.

Same for blake stone aliens of gold.

Underworld works and installs, except I can't get speech to work.

Chuck Yeager's air combat doesn't work.

Ultima VII doesn't work, don't know why, but there's a patch to play
it in Windows (If you have a legal copy of that lying around).

Battletech I and Battletech II install and work, they are so old does
anyone care about the copyright?

Shareware In search of Dr. Riptide, Shareware Pea Shooting Pete, and of
course the shareware versions of Commander Keen I and IV work and
install.

7cities, seven cities of gold, works and installs.

The original simcity works and installs.

My 486 DX2-66 has a copy of 98SE on it now, albeit that is very slow.
ReactOS is an NT/2000/XP replacement, so it probably won't be
appropriate for my 486.  I only have 20 megs of ram because my second
set of 4 megs simms burned out.  I will use 98SE for DriveWire short 
of a better solution.  I hope Microsoft doesn't care who runs 98SE,
there isn't a better solution at this point.  I have more installations
of 98SE than I do legal copies, but I don't use all of those copies
simultaneously.  I wish the ReactOS project hadn't gotten away from
offering a Windows 9x replacement.  I know there's a hatred of dos,
but it's the only way to go on an ancient computer.

Frankly, I'd like to see Microsoft forced to open source it's
abandoned operating systems.  If Microsoft can do something totally
different like Vista, there's no excuse for keeping something ancient
like MS-DOS 7.0 closed.

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[Freedos-user] COCO 3 emulator not working...

2008-09-20 Thread robinson-west user
http://www.vavasour.ca/jeff/trs80.html

I get an error from freedos's emm386.exe.  Has anyone gotten this
emulator to work under Freedos?  I have trouble getting it to work
in MS-DOS 6.22 also, when I try to run it, the computer reboots.
I think it was designed for MS-DOS 3.3.  The emulator is freeware
and I believe the source is available.  This would be a nice addition
to freedos if that's possible and someone can get it to work.

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Re: [Freedos-user] COCO 3 emulator not working...

2008-09-22 Thread robinson-west user
On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 12:50 -0500, Jim Hall wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:05 PM, robinson-west user
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > http://www.vavasour.ca/jeff/trs80.html
> >
> > I get an error from freedos's emm386.exe.  Has anyone gotten this
> > emulator to work under Freedos?  I have trouble getting it to work
> > in MS-DOS 6.22 also, when I try to run it, the computer reboots.
> > I think it was designed for MS-DOS 3.3.  The emulator is freeware
> > and I believe the source is available.  This would be a nice addition
> > to freedos if that's possible and someone can get it to work.
> >
> 
> Hi. Have you tried this with Jemm instead? I know some users have
> reported that things work with Jemm where they wouldn't with Emm386.
> Might be worth a try.
> 
> http://www.freedos.org/cgi-bin/lsm.cgi?mode=lsm&lsm=base/jemm386.lsm

I have tried jemm, nothing happens without an expanded memory manager.
The program just hangs without coming up without expanded memory.  
Jemm throws an exception 6.  MS-DOS 6.20 emm386 triggers a reboot.
Freedos emm386.exe crashes with illegal instruction occured.  The
vgacheck.exe and dskini.exe programs work just fine, it's coco3x.exe
that doesn't.  I would really like to hear from someone who tries
this software based color computer emulator, I don't see anything
stopping that.  Considering that Jeff Vavasour appears to be interested
in having his emulator available as freeware, it could probably be
distributed with freedos once someone determines how to get it working.

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[Freedos-user] coco3x.exe

2008-09-29 Thread robinson-west user
Has anyone gotten Jeff Vavasour's coco 3 emulator to work at all 
in freedos?  I believe that the source code is freely available.

http://www.vavasour.ca/jeff/trs80.html

"Optimal system requirements for the CoCo 3 Emulator are VGA
compatibility, 429K of low DOS memory free and 384K of free EMS. (Use
the MS-DOS "MEM" command to check your available memory.) A SoundBlaster
on port 220H is also needed for SoundBlaster-based sound. With an
additional 1.5MB of EMS memory, you can run the emulator as a 2MB CoCo
3. (To use the 2MB mode requires OS-9 and special 3rd party drivers that
were sold separately from OS-9. If you are not familiar with the 2MB
OS-9 setup, do not enable the 2MB mode in the emulator. OS-9 will not
work on a 2MB CoCo without the appropriate drivers.) If EMS is
unavailable, the emulator will work as a 128K CoCo 3."(Jeff Vavasour)

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[Freedos-user] Windows 98 and Freedos 1.0

2008-11-04 Thread robinson-west user
I'm surprised that noone has talked about XOSL.  I used it to hide the
primary partition of freedos so I could install Windows 98 SE.  It has
been so long, I can't remember if I used a 98 boot floppy to get around
the you only have 16 megs of memory issue or not.  I know that I created
a dedicated partition to put the 98 cab files on because I couldn't boot
from CD and I used freedos to do this.  I had to use XFDISK to switch
back to freedos after the install of 98se from a freedos boot
disk.  I might have used MSDOS to fire off the 98se install.  The nice
thing about 98se is that it is FAT based and you can hide partitions
from it.  In 2000/XP and later you can't hide partitions, 2000/XP sees
them anyways.  Microsoft's attitude with it's NT line of OSes seems to
be that you won't use multiple versions of Windows and/or dos.  
Never mind that every new release of NT leaves behind a LOT of software
that works in dos and older versions of Windows.


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[Freedos-user] Status of freedos 1.1

2008-11-15 Thread robinson-west user
What is the outlook for freedos 1.1?  I'd like to see improved stability
overall, better networking options, and integration of the package
manager into a gui.  Gem is great because it is light and that's what
freedos should be, light on resource use.  I think there should be
some discussion on whether or not it would be appropriate to enhance
freedos so it can serve effectively as a low cost simple OS for file
server applications.  Netware used to be the thing for networking dos
networks, but it is proprietary and expensive.  In Linux land there
is something called the Mars netware emulator if memory serves me right,
maybe emulated Netware is something freedos can support.


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[Freedos-user] netware 4.11 freedos...

2008-12-22 Thread robinson-west user
I am having trouble setting up the nic on my Intel D845PEBT2 motherboard
to access a Netware 4.11 server.  I'm trying to install the 16 bit dos
client under Freedos 1.0.  I am using a student kit.  I get an error
when I boot that the LOAD command can't be found and I find I am without
the upper level network drivers.  Anyone know how to get this to work?

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[Freedos-user] Freedos and netware...

2008-12-22 Thread robinson-west user
All I have drivers for is netware. I have an Intel D845PEBT2 mobo with
built-in 10/100/1000 Intel nic.  I've tried to run Netware 4.11 student
edition install with no luck.  I have odipkt installed, but I don't seem
to have any utilties to check the configuration of the network card.


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[Freedos-user] Using curl with fdupdate.

2008-02-13 Thread robinson-west user
How do I use curl with freedos update?  The first trick was finding
curl.  Copying curl over wget prevents fdupdate from crashing, but
it doesn't make the updater work.  On the todo list there is make
fdupdate able to use curl, is there a post 0.52 update?




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[Freedos-user] fdupdate

2008-02-13 Thread robinson-west user
ulimit(fdupdate.tab) EIO error input/output error...

My freedos update locks up and I've noticed something similar to the
above error.  Is there supposed to be a ulimit executable?  Is there
supposed to be an installation of djgpp for wget to work?


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[Freedos-user] Arachne bugs...

2008-02-13 Thread robinson-west user
It doesn't save downloads to the download directory, it saves them to
the cache directory under a cryptic name.

It tries to seek the A drive every time I exit it.

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Re: [Freedos-user] fdupdate

2008-02-13 Thread robinson-west user
I'm on a 486 DX2 66 EISA bus, no VLB.  20 megs of SIMM ram, 30 pin.
Is there a copy of memtest86+ for freedos, it would be silly if this
turned out to be a bad memory problem.

autoexec.bat:
---
@echo off

if not "%config%" == "4" SET CTCM=C:\CTCM
if not "%config%" == "4" C:\CTCM\CTCU /S

SET dosdir=C:\FDOS

REM C:\FDOS\BIN\BANNER2
REM C:\FDOS\BIN\BLACKOUT

set PATH=%dosdir%\bin;c:\commwp\wp60
set NLSPATH=%dosdir%\NLS
set HELPPATH=%dosdir%\HELP
set temp=%dosdir%\temp
set tmp=%dosdir%\temp

SET BLASTER=A220 I2 D1 H5 P330

REM if not "%config%"=="4" c:\fdos\bin\shsucdx.com /D:fdcd0001

REM if not "%config%"=="4" LH VIAUDIO
REM if not "%config%"=="4" LH VIAFMTSR
REM if not "%config%"=="4" LH FDAPM APMDOS
if "%config%"=="2" LH SHARE
SET autofile=C:\autoexec.bat
alias reboot=fdapm warmboot
alias halt=fdapm poweroff
SET CFGFILE=C:\fdconfig.sys
echo type HELP to get support on commands and navigation
echo.
echo Welcome to FreeDOS
echo.
if not "%config%"=="4" mouse
if not "%config%"=="4" C:\FDOS\drivers\net\crynwr\ne2000 0x60 12 0x280
SET WATTCP.CFG=%DOSDIR%\BIN
lh doslfn
set PATH=%PATH%;%DOSDIR%\emacs
set PATH=%PATH%;%DOSDIR%\SETEDIT
SET VIM=C:\FDOS\VIM
SET PATH=%PATH%;%DOSDIR%\vim\vim70
SET PATH=%PATH%;%DOSDIR%\fbc
call %DOSDIR%\watcom\setvars.bat
SET PATH=%PATH%;%DOSDIR%\PACIFIC\BIN
REM if not "%config%"=="4" @SET SCSI_DRIVER = C:\IOMEGA
REM if not "%config%"=="4" @SET SCSI_UTILITY = C:\IOMEGA
SET PATH=%PATH%;d:\iomega
REM BLACKOUT
REM MODE CO80
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fdconfig.sys:
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!COUNTRY=001,437,C:\FDOS\BIN\COUNTRY.SYS
!SET lang=EN
!LASTDRIVE=F
!BUFFERS=40
!FILES=100
!DOS=HIGH,UMB
!DOSDATA=UMB
!set dircmd=/ogn /4

!MENUCOLOR=7,5
MENUDEFAULT=2,5

MENU 1 - Load FreeDOS with EMM386, no EMS (most UMBs), max RAM free
MENU 2 - Load FreeDOS with JEMM386+EMS and SHARE
MENU 3 - Load FreeDOS including HIMEM XMS-memory driver
MENU 4 - Load FreeDOS without drivers
DOS=HIGH,UMB

REM 123?DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\XCDROM.SYS /D:fdcd0001

123?DEVICE=C:\FDOS\HIMEMX.EXE

1?DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\EMM386.EXE NOEMS X=TEST
2?DEVICE=C:\FDOS\JEMM386.EXE

123?DEVICE=C:\CTCM\CTCM.EXE

REM 123?DEVICEHIGH=C:\FDOS\bin\xdma.sys
REM 123?INSTALL=C:\FDOS\BIN\BLACKOUT.EXE
REM 123?INSTALL=C:\FDOS\BIN\BANNER1.COM

123?DEVICEHIGH=C:\FDOS\BIN\MORESYS.SYS

SHELLHIGH=C:\FDOS\bin\command.com C:\FDOS\bin /E:1024 /P=C:\autoexec.bat

4?
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The exact error message for utime is:

utime(fdupdate.tab): Input or output error (EIO)

At this point a window pops up asking me to update debug.  
If I press y, the computer crashes.


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Re: [Freedos-user] fdupdate

2008-02-15 Thread robinson-west user
I could get it to work under vmware with wget believe it or not,
but I haven't gotten it to work on real hardware even with curl.

Another problem I've noticed is that fdupdate doesn't seem to
record the new version of a package that it has updated.

My 486 is passing memtest with flying colors.  It crashes every 
time I try to apply or skip an update.

What is the fallback address?  It doesn't seem to be right.

 Michael Robinson


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Re: [Freedos-user] fdupdate

2008-02-15 Thread robinson-west user
On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 21:00 +0100, Mateusz Viste wrote:
> On Friday 15 February 2008, robinson-west user wrote:
> > I could get it to work under vmware with wget believe it or not,
> > but I haven't gotten it to work on real hardware even with curl.
> 
> Do your "real hardware" can run anything more than the bare FreeDOS kernel? I 
> mean games, and more "advanced" software (DPMI / protected mode, etc...).
> Maybe the problem is outside FDUPDATE / wget / curl... Bad memory, incorrect 
> EMM386 settings, etc...
> Do you tried using the "tested" wget binary? 
> (http://mateusz.viste.free.fr/fdupdate/wgetx.zip)

Why wouldn't the copy of wget packaged with freedos 1.0 work?  It does
on the emulated installation of freedos that I got fdupdate to work
with.  Yes my real hardware can run more than the bare freedos kernel.
I've played ultima underworld and shadowcaster no problem on this
machine.  I'm not using EMM386, I'm using Jemm5.70 on the 486.  The 
fact that fdupdate doesn't want to work on my 486, but other programs
which use extended memory do, is quite odd.

> No, FDUDPATE doesn't keep track of installed / updated software. That's the 
> job for the application's LSM file. If the application have a LSM with an 
> incorrect "version" record, FDUPDATE will be fooled.
> What problem do you exactly encounter with versionning?

Well, on the emulated system where fdupdate works it didn't realize
what it had updated the second time I ran it.

> What do you mean by "with flying colors"? If you have a bad mem, wget, curl, 
> fdupdate, and any other DPMI application may have big problems, as it is 
> using memory > 1 MB...

Unless the memory bank itself is damaged somehow, this doesn't appear to
be a memory problem.  Memtest has been run multiple times and every time
the memory has come up good.

I wonder what the difference is between a vmware environment and real
hardware?  If I could figure that out, I might determine why my 486
crashes.

 Michael C. Robinson


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[Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1

2008-04-10 Thread robinson-west user
How is it coming along?

 Michael Robinson


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[Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1

2008-04-23 Thread robinson-west user
Seven days left in April, is freedos 1.1 going to come out?

 Michael Robinson


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