Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

[Aitor Santamaría]

Hi,

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 16:03, dmccunney  wrote:

>
> > (What's more, in my personal belief, the second most alive intelligent
> species after Homo Sapiens is one of them).
> (And the African Grey parrot is likely the bird
> you are thinking of.)
>
Right.


> But while they may have evolved into birds, they are no longer dinosaurs.
>
Aren't they? :)
Well, they say that this is not a bird
Ichthyornis - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre

But a modern goose is:
geese teeth - Bing images


Is there a frontier, or is it the mania of humans to put things in boxes?
This is a wave or a particle.
Windows95 is a seamless new operating system :)

Aitor
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Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

[dmccunney]

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 6:28 PM Aitor Santamaría  wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 at 23:57, Eric Auer  wrote:
>>
>> If you are interested in alive dragons, visit a Komodo Dragon.
>> Those lizards do have some dragon-like properties, but they are
>> not dinosaurs either - too "modern" species for that.

> Why wouldn't a dinosaur be modern?

Organisms live in environments.  Environments change.  The organism
either changes to adapt to the environment or becomes extinct.

> We live surrounded by some extant 10,000+ species of them which have adapted 
> very well to modern times. I see and hear them every day, as most of us folks 
> on this list.
> (What's more, in my personal belief, the second most alive intelligent 
> species after Homo Sapiens is one of them).

Referring to Stephen J. Gould's notion that dinosaurs were the
ancestors of  birds?  (And the African Grey parrot is likely the bird
you are thinking of.)

But while they may have evolved into birds, they are no longer dinosaurs.

For an example of something that has been around a very long time and
*not* really evolved, consider the cockroach.  They've been around
since the Carboniferous Era.  The only change was getting smaller.
(Carboniferous Era cockroaches could reach 2 feet in length.) The
environment they are adapted for has been present consistently, and
they are adapted for it, so no need to radically change.

> Aitor
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Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

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On Thursday, March 11, 2021 12:49 AM, Nils Stavlid  wrote:

> Dear all,,, personally I like it whenever topics spiral out on a side track 
> like in this case.
> ...

As do I! It's refreshing to see all the diversity of thought in everyday 
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Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

[Nils Stavlid]

Dear all,,, personally I like it whenever  topics spiral out on a side
track like in this case. It’s refreshing and we can always choose to ignore
each other’s views if we want to. A quote with some relevance to this:
“Let’s be clear: the work of science
has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of
politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who
happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are
verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is
irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results.” –Michael Crichton

So let us agree to not agree for the sake of science.

BR
/Nils





tors 11 mars 2021 kl. 00:27 skrev Aitor Santamaría :

> Hi,
>
> Indeed the discussion became offtopic.
> Eric incidentally hit a different sensitive spot of mine...  (sorry!)
>
> On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 at 23:57, Eric Auer  wrote:
>
>> If you are interested in alive dragons, visit a Komodo Dragon.
>> Those lizards do have some dragon-like properties, but they are
>> not dinosaurs either - too "modern" species for that.
>>
>
> Why wouldn't a dinosaur be modern?
> We live surrounded by some extant 10,000+ species of them which have
> adapted very well to modern times. I see and hear them every day, as most
> of us folks on this list.
> (What's more, in my personal belief, the second most alive intelligent
> species after Homo Sapiens is one of them).
>
> Aitor
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

[Aitor Santamaría]

Hi,

Indeed the discussion became offtopic.
Eric incidentally hit a different sensitive spot of mine...  (sorry!)

On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 at 23:57, Eric Auer  wrote:

> If you are interested in alive dragons, visit a Komodo Dragon.
> Those lizards do have some dragon-like properties, but they are
> not dinosaurs either - too "modern" species for that.
>

Why wouldn't a dinosaur be modern?
We live surrounded by some extant 10,000+ species of them which have
adapted very well to modern times. I see and hear them every day, as most
of us folks on this list.
(What's more, in my personal belief, the second most alive intelligent
species after Homo Sapiens is one of them).

Aitor
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Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

[Eric Auer]

Hi!

First, a short note to Dave, Mercury and Random: You can safely
ignore the mails with "[OT]" in the subject, as the thread has
been forked to keep faith and BIOS separate topics. Thanks :-)

https://www.discovery.org/m/2020/04/Scientific-Dissent-from-Darwinism-List-04072020.pdf>

"The Discovery Institute (DI) is a politically conservative
non-profit think tank based in Seattle, Washington, that
advocates the pseudoscientific concept of intelligent design
(ID). It was founded in 1990 as a non-profit offshoot of the
Hudson Institute. Its "Teach the Controversy" campaign aims to
permit the teaching of anti-evolution, intelligent-design beliefs
in United States public high school science courses in place of
accepted scientific theories, positing that a scientific contro-
versy exists over these subjects when in fact there is none"

That perfectly matches the statement in Felix' signature.

"The Hudson Institute is a politically conservative[8] American
think tank based in Washington, D.C. It was founded in 1961 in
Croton-on-Hudson, New York, by futurist, military strategist,
and systems theorist Herman Kahn and his colleagues at the RAND
Corporation."

"Critics question the institute's negative campaigning against
organic farming, since it receives large sums of money from
conventional food companies."

"The New York Times accused Huntington Ingalls Industries of
using the Hudson Institute to enhance the company's argument
for more nuclear-powered aircraft carriers, at a cost of US$11
billion each. The Times alleged that a former naval officer was
paid by Hudson to publish an analysis calling for more funding."

Sounds a bit like a place where people can buy their own truth,
while as far as I know, nobody makes profit from the promotion
of evolution as state of the art in origin of species science.

Sure it gets harder to measure things as they get more far away
in space and time. Yet evolution is also happening in regions
where it is easier to observe and humans have become quite good
at extracting good quality measurements from hard to get sources.

There actually is a philosophically interesting Futurama episode
about evolution and intelligent design, related to the idea that
any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic. So you could still say the evolution that we SEE behaves
like what we teach about evolution without excluding the chance
that it STARTED in some magic or divine way. However, intelligent
design is a much weaker claim than "evolution is just something
people believe". The latter would also imply that evolution is
not happening at all. You know, the usual "static" approach of
"Species always were what they are now, there is no change over
time in them and they all have been invented by a deity" etc.

https://theinfosphere.org/A_Clockwork_Origin

https://transcripts.fandom.com/wiki/A_Clockwork_Origin

> Galileo, Bacon, Pascal, Newton,
> Kepler, Leibniz and more were Christians.

How is that related to the question whether evolution exists?
Humans can know a lot - including that evolution DOES exist -
while still being free to decide whether or not they believe
into a non-observable divine cause of anything the can or can
not measure. So saying "there is evolution going on" is really
based on observation, not "indoctrination". It does not, however,
necessarily make any statement about how it started and nobody
is suggesting to abandon religion.

Regarding the issue of dinosaurs having been unknown, or called
dragons or other mythical things, how is that related to whether
evolution exists? Cavemen did not have the technology to wonder
about them, but that does not make dinosaurs exist any less. And
they were not having dinos as pets either, as they have died out
before humans existed. Similar to Egyptian drawings not showing
astronauts, caveman drawings do not show alive dinosaurs. If they
would, how would you explain the age difference in cavemen versus
dinosaur skeletons? And where would you say dinosaurs LIVE today?

If you are interested in alive dragons, visit a Komodo Dragon.
Those lizards do have some dragon-like properties, but they are
not dinosaurs either - too "modern" species for that.

Regards, Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

[Dave Salyers]

I agree. I’m on this list to discuss FreeDOS not religious opinions.

Thanks!

Dave Salyers

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 2:24 PM Random Liegh via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Is this a conversation that really needed to happen on a public,
> technical list?
>
> No, it is not. It could and should have been moved to private emails.
>
> I'd like to request that it continue there so the rest of us aren't
> forced to have our inboxes filled with unwanted nonsense.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

[Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user]

Agreed. I guess we can thank Tom for that! lol


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> Is this a conversation that really needed to happen on a public,
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>
> No, it is not. It could and should have been moved to private emails.
>
> I'd like to request that it continue there so the rest of us aren't
> forced to have our inboxes filled with unwanted nonsense.
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Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

[Random Liegh via Freedos-user]

Is this a conversation that really needed to happen on a public, 
technical list?


No, it is not. It could and should have been moved to private emails.

I'd like to request that it continue there so the rest of us aren't 
forced to have our inboxes filled with unwanted nonsense.


Thanks!



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Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] BIOS weirdness with SATA/IDE adapter

[Felix Miata]

tom ehlert composed on 2021-03-10 22:15 (UTC+0100):

> "Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion,
> is based on faith, not on science."

That's a signature block. 

> either give us a pointer why you think you must annoy us with that,
> or please stop with that (mostly religious) nonsense.



There is no proof of anything that happened 10,000 years ago or 1,000,000 years
ago, much less what happened 4,500,000,000 years ago. All those time frames are
based on guessing, and an assumption that how things behave now is a reasonable
indication of how things behaved then. "Scientific method" cannot be applied to
those times.

So-called evolutionary trees all have gaps, missing links, because no such links
ever existed, not found even though the search has been diligent for nearly 200
years, using more and better technology in the search.

Evolution is nothing but unprovable faith in the assumptions made by the
"scientific community" of the past 200 years. Galileo, Bacon, Pascal, Newton,
Kepler, Leibniz and more were Christians.

Our public schools have been indoctrinating kids at an early age, where books
about "dinosaurs", start with the words "Millions of years ago...". The word
dinosaur didn't appear in any dictionary until the late 19th century. The words
for dinosaur before then were dragon, behemoth and leviathan, creatures that
humans observed and pictured on cave walls. 


Thus "evolution" is purely faith-based, a religion.
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion,
is based on faith, not on science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/


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