Re: [Freedos-user] GUI libs: Turbovision and FLTK (nanox), Dillo browser

[Jim Hall]

> On 6/3/2021 9:11 AM, Paul Dufresne via Freedos-user wrote:
>> I decided to make a small research, and found these libraries
>>suggested to someone:
>>
>> Turbovision: "TVision was developed by Borland (now Imprise)
>>in 1992 (v1.03) as a tool for your TurboC and TurboPascal
>>compilers."
>>
>> "Turbo Vision (TVision for short) is a TUI (Text User
>>Interface) that implements the well known CUA widgets. With
>>TVision you can create an intuitive text mode application,
>>intuitive means it will have CUA like interface (check boxes,
>>radio buttons, push buttons, input lines, pull-down menues,
>>status bars, etc.)"
>>
>> "The original code is copyrighted by Borland but is freely
>> available from the net. Try here.This port is distributed
>> under the GPL license and the Sigala's port under a BSD like
>> license."
>> taken from: http://tvision.sourceforge.net/
>> found from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_Vision

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 12:24 PM Ralf Quint  wrote:
> It should be noted that only the C++ version of Turbo Vision
>was put into public domain, NOT the Turbo Pascal version
>Ralf


I'll add that we already have several versions of TurboVision
(including the latest version) mirrored in the FreeDOS Files Archive
at Ibiblio, here:

https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/devel/libs/tvision/


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Re: [Freedos-user] GUI libs: Turbovision and FLTK (nanox), Dillo browser

[Ralf Quint]

On 6/3/2021 9:11 AM, Paul Dufresne via Freedos-user wrote:
I decided to make a small research, and found these libraries 
suggested to someone:


Turbovision: "TVision was developed by Borland (now Imprise) in 1992 
(v1.03) as a tool for your TurboC and TurboPascal compilers."


"Turbo Vision (TVision for short) is a TUI (Text User Interface) that 
implements the well known CUA widgets. With TVision you can create an 
/intuitive/ text mode application, intuitive means it will have CUA 
like interface (check boxes, radio buttons, push buttons, input lines, 
pull-down menues, status bars, etc.)"


"The original code is copyrighted by Borland but is freely available 
from the net. Try here.This port is distributed under the GPL license 
and the Sigala's port under a BSD like license."
taken from: http://tvision.sourceforge.net/ 

found from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_Vision 



It should be noted that only the C++ version of Turbo Vision was put 
into public domain, NOT the Turbo Pascal version


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Re: [Freedos-user] GUI libs: Turbovision and FLTK (nanox), Dillo browser

[Eric Auer]

Hi Paul,

as you mention Nano-X and Turbo Vision, Georg Potthast has
ported some apps to DOS using Nano-X and FLTK, with screenshots:

> https://sourceforge.net/projects/fltk-dos/

> https://sourceforge.net/p/fltk-dos/wiki/NanoX_Introduction/

> https://freedos-user.narkive.com/bIGRt11t/new-xfdos-freedos-distribution

He also has written shareware USB drivers with USB 3.0 support:

> http://georgpotthast.de/usb/ "DOSUSB"

The unregistered version only works 20 minutes after you
load it and you can load it only 5 times in one session.
After each reboot, 5 times 20 minutes can be used again.

He supports printers, serial ports and storage media.

Turbo Vision has been released into the public domain by
Borland when they did the same for the rest of their IDE:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_Vision

As you can imagine, it looks like your Turbo Pascal and
Turbo C IDE looked like. Colored text, frames, menus etc.
As only the C version became open source, Free Pascal has
made a Free Vision clone for those who prefer Pascal.

For comparison, Nano X and FLTK apps look pretty much like
your usual GRAPHICAL apps known from Windows or Linux, of
course with a bit of a retro look given the very lightweight
approach of the building blocks. License: LGPL for FLTK
and MPL and GPL for Nano-X see the FAQ on their website:

> http://www.microwindows.org/

Regards, Eric



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[Freedos-user] GUI libs: Turbovision and FLTK (nanox), Dillo browser

[Paul Dufresne via Freedos-user]

I decided to make a small research, and found these libraries suggested to 
someone:



Turbovision: "TVision was developed by Borland (now Imprise) in 1992 (v1.03) as 
a tool
for your TurboC and TurboPascal compilers."



"Turbo Vision (TVision for short) is a TUI (Text User Interface) that
implements the well known CUA widgets. With TVision you can create an intuitive 
text mode application, intuitive means it will have CUA like
interface (check boxes, radio buttons, push buttons, input lines, pull-down
menues, status bars, etc.)"



"The original code is copyrighted by Borland but is freely available from the 
net. Try here.This port is distributed under the GPL license and the Sigala's 
port under a BSD like license."

taken from: http://tvision.sourceforge.net/

found from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_Vision



Also, nanox-lib:

"Nano-X as it is named today, is an Open Source project that develops a 
graphical windowing system for small and embedded devices. Nano-X does 
not require any operating system or other graphics system support, as it
 writes directly to the display hardware. Nano-X is designed to be 
portable, and can run in a wide variety of hardware and software 
environments."



"Nano-X has been ported to DOS using DJGPP. All development based on this 
library has been done using the DJGPP compiler."



"Based on the DOS port of the Nano-X library and FLTK the browser Dillo has 
been ported to DOS and is available from this site."



Quotes taken from: https://sourceforge.net/p/fltk-dos/wiki/NanoX_Introduction/



A comment on that page says: "Although a work in progress, NXLIB also is making 
progress running unmodified QT and GTK+ programs."



Also, unsure how much it is linked to previous info:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fltk-dos/ "This site features a port of the 
FLTK GUI to DOS and Apps using it."



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[Freedos-user] GUI III.

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   Phooey, I forgot to mention that to use hobo, you must have a low level
mouse driver installed, the best of which is cutemouse. Some times it is
default (freedos,boxdos), sometimes, notably using the dos on a bootdisk,
you
must remember to manually exe the mouse driver. Richard Klein
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Re: [Freedos-user] GUI for DOS/FreeDOS

[OSCAR GONZALEZ]

Hi..


Si quieres puedes quitar el compilador, solo lo puse para que si alguien queria 
recompílar WinDos tenga todo a mano.




con respecto al mouse WinDos funciona igual con o sin mouse. en ningun momento 
el programa chequea si existe o no,


solo instala el controlador y ejecuta sus funciones.


En estos momentos estoy terminando una nueva version de WinDos con muchas 
utilidades y funciones nuevas.


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Re: [Freedos-user] GUI for DOS/FreeDOS

[Michael McStarfighter]

English, please! I don't understand any of these words  I thought,
English is the language of this mailing list ...

2008/4/19 OSCAR GONZALEZ [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  Hi..

 Si quieres puedes quitar el compilador, solo lo puse para que si alguien
 queria recompílar WinDos tenga todo a mano.

 con respecto al mouse WinDos funciona igual con o sin mouse. en ningun
 momento el programa chequea si existe o no,

 solo instala el controlador y ejecuta sus funciones.

 En estos momentos estoy terminando una nueva version de WinDos con muchas
 utilidades y funciones nuevas.


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Re: [Freedos-user] GUI for DOS/FreeDOS

[OSCAR GONZALEZ]

Hi..
 

If you want to remove the compiler, just what I wanted to if someone recompíle 
WinDos have everything at hand. 


With respect to WinDos mouse works well with or without a mouse. In no time the 
program checks whether or not there is, 

Just install the controller and executes its functions. 

At the moment I am finishing a new version of WinDos with many new features and 
utilities.

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Re: [Freedos-user] GUI for DOS/FreeDOS

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Hello,
 
I decompressed the windos and have a djgpp compiler I can't use in native 
FreeDOS mode.
Is it OK to remove the compiler?
The system locked up if I did not load ctmouse.
Can windos check if no mouse installed, simply exits or responds to the 
keyboard?
 
 
OpenGEM never installs on drives other than C: or D:, but I prefer to test new 
softwares in a ramdrive
and a checklist is wanted to keep the uninstall process smoothly.
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] GUI for DOS/FreeDOS

[flox]

No llevo 1 desarrollandoaño desarrollando Ozone porque no he tenido
tiempo... :-(  Ahora yo quiero volver a instalar DJGPP y código de Ozone
- pero si tengas unos problemas escribeme!

When anyone has questions about Ozone, ask me! :-)

Hasta luego
 Flo

El jue, 27-03-2008 a las 21:03 -0300, OSCAR GONZALEZ escribió:
 Hi Thanks. voy a hacer algunas modificaciones que creo
 mejoraran el gui y voy a subirlas a ibiblio. Un saludo. 



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Re: [Freedos-user] GUI for DOS/FreeDOS

[Robert Riebisch]

OSCAR GONZALEZ wrote:

 Hi Thanks. voy a hacer algunas modificaciones que creo
 mejoraran el gui y voy a subirlas a ibiblio. Un saludo.

Please post in English only!

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Re: [Freedos-user] GUI for DOS/FreeDOS

[Eric Auer]

Hi Oscar, Flox, Robert,

  Hi Thanks. voy a hacer algunas modificaciones que creo
  mejoraran el gui y voy a subirlas a ibiblio. Un saludo.

 Please post in English only!

I think Spanish is a widespread language, but it would be nice
if for every Spanish posting, somebody could at least post a
translation along with it :-).

I am going to make some modifications which I think will improve
the GUI and I will send them to Ibiblio. Regards...

Eric

PS: Flox, maybe you could send a Spanish translation of MY mail
to Oscar, off-list ;-).



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[Freedos-user] GUI for DOS/FreeDOS

[OSCAR GONZALEZ]

Holas

   Quiero saber si puedo modificar Ozone para agregarle algunas utilidades y 
crear una version con otro nombre.
   Un saludo.

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Re: [Freedos-user] GUI for DOS/FreeDOS

[Florian Xaver]

 Quiero saber si puedo modificar Ozone para agregarle algunas utilidades
 y crear una version con otro nombre.

Si, claro. La licencia es GPL. Puedes ir a
http://sf.net/projects/ozonegui y usar SVN para obtener el código. Por
favor sube despues tambien tus cambios. Si quieres subir una
distribución binaria podrás hacerlo con un otro nombre.

If anyone want to update Ozone (under GPL), also under another name,
download the source code using SVN and please upload your changes too.
You can upload the binary under another name tambien at your site...

Bye, hasta luego
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[Freedos-user] GUI for DOS/FreeDOS

[OSCAR GONZALEZ]

Hi

   Thanks. voy a hacer algunas modificaciones que creo mejoraran el gui y voy a 
subirlas a ibiblio.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[Allan]

Jim:

Please take me off your mailing list I cannot figure out this DOS without books 
or anything plus I have had 5 strokes so I have a hard time remembering what to 
do!

Sincerely

Allan W. Hoppel




Jim Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/29/07, OSCAR GONZALEZ  wrote:


 hi.

  I remove the Microsoft logo from the boot screen and rename the project
 from WinDOS to FreeWin.


Hold on a sec. I was never able to get your GUI to run, so I did not
know about the Microsoft logo. Why was that ever put on your program's
boot screen to begin with?

Now I'm starting to wonder about what's going on. What did I mirror to
ibiblio? Please tell me more about how you started the WinDOS program.
I need to feel comfortable that this isn't some derivative of the
Windows code leak a few years ago. I've removed WinDOS from ibiblio in
the meantime.


-jh

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[Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[OSCAR GONZALEZ]

Hi Eric.
Thanks for your comments about WinDos.
I try a change for install be easy and only include binary files y a WinDosB.7z 
file and Source code in
WinDosSC.7z.
Thanks again and sorry my english
 

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Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[Jim Hall]

Oscar sent me the latest WinDos. I gave it a quick look, and
everything looks ok to me. At least, I didn't see anything that looked
like it was lifted from non-GPL sources (for example, several icons
were instantly recognizable from GNOME, but that's under the GNU GPL
as well, so that's ok.)

But I can't run the GUI - I get a resolution not supported error
under DOSEMU, regardless of what resolution I try to set in regedit.

Anyway, I posted his archive on ibiblio at
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/gui/windos/

It would be great if others here could try it out and see if it works for them.

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[Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[OSCAR GONZALEZ]

Hi..
Ok. lo que voy a hacer es instalar linux en mi pc y voy a ejecutar WinDos desde 
DosEmu-FreeDOS y tratare de 
solucionar lo mas rapido posible el problema. thanks again.
 

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Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS - dosemu mini review

[Eric Auer]

Hi Jim,

 But I can't run the GUI - I get a resolution not supported error
 under DOSEMU, regardless of what resolution I try to set in regedit.

It would be good if Windos displays which resolution it WANTS. Or if
it automatically selects something. Default is 640x480x16, but I found
that my dosemu only offers 32 bit per pixel modes. When I select the
obvious 640x480x32, windos crashes. When I select 800x600x32, it does
start and show an empty desktop with a pic of a mouse as background.
With 1024x768x32, it does start up first but then exits at once.

It says VBE 3.0 not available. I think VBE 2.0 should be enough!
And I think it actually MEANS that there is not enough framebuffer
RAM available for 1024x768x32 VBE 2.0 mode ;-).

VBE 3.0 adds a protected mode interface and refresh rate control,
but I have written DJGPP programs which use VBE 2.0 without problem.
I just enter the mode, get a handle for the framebuffer memory, and
do not need the BIOS after that anyway. When I edit my .dosemurc to
say $_X_vgaemu_memsize = (8192) then windos does start up at first
but then crashes, traceback EIP: 0x000603db 0x0011f8f2.

With 800x600, Windos also crashes often, and I cannot get to a menu
even if it does not crash. When I try to use a depth 8 mode (256
color mode) I get a crash with traceback EIP 0x000d15d2 only.
Modes with depth 15 also crash after WinDos shows the start screen.
No idea why DOSEMU 1.4 only gives DOS 15 and 32 bit depth modes but
no 16 and 24 bit depth modes.



Translation of Regedit: Enter open F4 Edit F7 New F8 Delete? F9 File?
Basically you use the cursor keys and Enter until the right key is
highlighted and then type F4. Then type a value and hit enter. When
all keys are set, hit esc to exit and save the new settings.

Problem with Regedit: It is NOT available in the installed system.
It is only in the directory with the installer files. This should
be changed, such files should be put into some tool directory. The
source code is installed too - it should be put in a separate
directory and you should have the option to not install it. The
full install with source code is 5000 files and 160 MB, plus the
145 plus 28 MB that you need during install! The few exe files
which are left in the install dir instead of in the windos dir
are mostly apps for running inside windos. Exception is regedit
and of course install. I believe that the files are MEANT to be
in the WinDos directory after install, but that they end up in
the wrong directory because I selected another directory, not
c:/windos, as install target directory...?



When you run install, you have to type tab and then enter to
accept the GPL. Actually the GPL is not meant to be as a you
have to accept before you install this license! Of course it
is nice to show the GPL but you do not have to accept it.
Next, you hit enter to open a menu for principal (main) and
select windos. Hit enter. Use the cursor to select extras,
hit enter, and see that there are no choices apart from nada
(nothing) ;-). Hit tab and enter to go to the next page. Edit
the target path (just type, use backspace to remove the path
which is suggested as default). Use tab to go to the next field,
edit that, use tab twice to go to the siguiente pagina, hit
enter, and enjoy how piles of files are extracted from a big
uncompressed .bar archive file. I think the installer will be
more happy if you enable your long file name drivers first
before you install Windos, but it seems to work with short
file names, too.

I think environ bat is not adjusted to match the actual install
directory if you select something else than c:/windos ...
The registry.wd file contains the registry as editable text
but windos.reg is binary. Interestingly, system32 does not
contain a bin directory, but djgpp.env looks as if it should.

As far as I can tell, WinDos opens the following files before it
crashes: debug.txt djgpp.env (as pointed to by %DJGPP% env var),
WinDos.reg and the soundblaster. It seems to be impossible to
run WinDos without sound output...??



Most of what you get when you install WinDos is the source code
of everything and many DJGPP compile tools. The actual WinDos
seems to be pretty small:

- tmp, extra (empty)
- a few files (ca 2 mb)
- desktop/desktop.dat (4 kb) drivers.dos/mouse/ctmouse... (5 kb)
- scrsaver (8+12 kb) cursors (14 files of 766 bytes each)
- bitmaps (ca 1/2 mb, could be 200k less if using PCX for WinDos.bmp)
- bmp (ca 1 mb, almost the only place which contains long file names,
  some of which are broken down to name~1.png style while some other
  names are correctly installed as long. Note that windos uses some
  library which can render PNGs :-))
[more LFN: info/allegro.info LIB/GCC-LIB/DJGPP/3.04/INCLUDE/syslimits.h
LIB/GCC-LIB/DJGPP/3.04/libstdcxx.a LIB/libstdcxx.a
system32/doc/rhide/rhide.html I think WinDos can easily be all SFN...]
- bmps (ca 1 mb, includes a picture of the author, why not as JPG? :-))

Things which are probably not needed to run 

Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[Jim Hall]

On 11/30/07, OSCAR GONZALEZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  Hi.
  Cual font ?. solo copie unas cuantas fonts de SEAL. pense que eran todas
 GPL.
  De todas maneras uso solamente la llamada pc8x8t.fnt las demas las puse
 por si alguien desarrolla una apps y
  necesitaba alguna.
  Please tell me how remove.


The following font files appear in FONTS:

ACTIVACE.TTF
ARIAL.TTF
COMIC.TTF
ni7seg.ttf
nisystem.ttf
PC8X8.FNT
PC8X8T.FNT
SYMBOLS.TTF
TITLES.FNT

Of those, ARIAL.TTF (Arial) and COMIC.TTF (Comic Sans MS) are part of
Microsoft's Fonts for the web and at least these will need to be
deleted and replaced with something that is free.

I gave a glance at the other TTF files using a font viewer, and only
ACTIVACE.TTF (Activa) looked odd because the comment was Converted
from D:\FONTTEMP\ACTIVA.TF1 by ALLTYPE and the copyright was
Converted by ALLTYPE so I don't know anything about where this font
came from.

We can continue this email thread off-list.

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[OSCAR GONZALEZ]

Hi.
Ok, but my english is very bad. I see english basic in primary school.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

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OSCAR GONZALEZ schreef:
 
 
 Hi.
 
 Ok, but my english is very bad. I see english basic in primary school.

אני רק מדבר עברית

Just an example, is this what you want?

שלום מרטי

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Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[Bonnie Dalzell]

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, Marti van Lin wrote:

MvL Jim Hall wrote:
MvL  On 11/30/07, OSCAR GONZALEZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MvL 
MvL   Hi.
MvL   Cual font ?. solo copie unas cuantas fonts de SEAL. pense que eran 
todas
MvL  GPL.
MvL   De todas maneras uso solamente la llamada pc8x8t.fnt las demas las 
puse
MvL  por si alguien desarrolla una apps y
MvL   necesitaba alguna.
MvL 

Although it is not perfect here is the result of using the 
spanishenglish option from:

http://ets.freetranslation.com/ 

translation
Which font?. alone copy some as many fonts of SEAL. even that were all 
GPL.  Of all ways use only the call pc8x8t.fnt the demas I put them for 
if someone develops an apps and he needed some.  
/translation


There may be a better online translator available, this was the first I 
found.

Here is its english spanish translation of my sentence above.

Es posible que haya a un mejor traductor en lnea disponible, esto fuera el 
primer encontr. 


MvL This NO PERSONAL ATTACK, but could we please keep this mailinglist in
MvL English, so everyone is able to understand it?
MvL 
MvL You've started this mailing list, because you wanted to avoid the
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MvL majority of the list doesn't understand is trollism to the limit.
MvL 
MvL Common guys, get real and stick to your believes :-)
MvL 
MvL With kind regards,
MvL 
MvL Marti
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Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[Jim Hall]

I used to speak Spanish quite well - while my spoken skills have
gotten a little rusty, I can still read. So I usually can make do by
reading the Spanish text and translating in my head. When I need help,
I usually use Google Translate, which does a pretty good job.

-jh


On 11/30/07, Bonnie Dalzell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, Marti van Lin wrote:

 MvL Jim Hall wrote:
 MvL  On 11/30/07, OSCAR GONZALEZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 MvL 
 MvL   Hi.
 MvL   Cual font ?. solo copie unas cuantas fonts de SEAL. pense que eran 
 todas
 MvL  GPL.
 MvL   De todas maneras uso solamente la llamada pc8x8t.fnt las demas las 
 puse
 MvL  por si alguien desarrolla una apps y
 MvL   necesitaba alguna.
 MvL 

 Although it is not perfect here is the result of using the
 spanishenglish option from:

 http://ets.freetranslation.com/
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[OSCAR GONZALEZ]

Hi.
Sorry, my english is verybad, i live in argentina and speak spanish. Sorry 
again...
Who know somebody else to traduce me???
 
 
 
 
EL CHANGO v4.
 
 
 
 

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[OSCAR GONZALEZ]

Hi Marti..
Solo es una version de demostracion para que si alguien esta interesado me 
ayude a desarrolarlo y migrarlo a linux.
Es muy basico, pero la idea del proyecto final con una muy facil programacion 
gracias a la GUI ALLEGRO resulta
muy llamativo, espero que con el tiempo y ayuda se pueda mejorar.
Muchas gracias, thanks
 
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

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Jim Hall wrote:
 On 11/30/07, OSCAR GONZALEZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi.
  Cual font ?. solo copie unas cuantas fonts de SEAL. pense que eran todas
 GPL.
  De todas maneras uso solamente la llamada pc8x8t.fnt las demas las puse
 por si alguien desarrolla una apps y
  necesitaba alguna.

This NO PERSONAL ATTACK, but could we please keep this mailinglist in
English, so everyone is able to understand it?

You've started this mailing list, because you wanted to avoid the
trollish behavior of Usenet k00ka. Now writing in a language, the vast
majority of the list doesn't understand is trollism to the limit.

Common guys, get real and stick to your believes :-)

With kind regards,

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Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[Marti van Lin]

Jim Hall wrote:
 On 11/29/07, Jim Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 11/29/07, OSCAR GONZALEZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 hi.

  I remove the Microsoft logo from the boot screen and rename the project
 from WinDOS to FreeWin.

 Hold on a sec. I was never able to get your GUI to run, so I did not
 know about the Microsoft logo. Why was that ever put on your program's
 boot screen to begin with?

 Now I'm starting to wonder about what's going on. What did I mirror to
 ibiblio? Please tell me more about how you started the WinDOS program.
 I need to feel comfortable that this isn't some derivative of the
 Windows code leak a few years ago. I've removed WinDOS from ibiblio in
 the meantime.

 
 
 All,
 
 I've been in an off-list discussion with Oscar, and now understand his
 project is clean. It is based on SEAL and Allego, and includes
 Oscar's own contributions. The only mistake was including images from
 Microsoft Windows. And Oscar has corrected that in a new archive file
 that he sent me, so I will post that now to ibiblio so others may use
 and enjoy it.

Thanks a lot Jim, for pointing this out, because there was quit some
confusing, at least I was confused :-)

 I hate having to ask these kinds of questions to people who eagerly
 want to contribute to FreeDOS, but my most important job is protecting
 the FreeDOS Project. So while I don't like doing it, I believe
 stopping to ask these questions was the right thing to do.

There's nothing wrong about being skeptical. FreeDOS is a Free Software
project and being Free (as in free speech) is one of its greatest strengths.

I think your skepticism is very much appreciated by the FreeDOS
community. Pleas keep it that way ;-)

@ Oscar:

Thanks for your great contribution!

I'm currently testing and I'm very much impressed by your great work so
far. If I'm finished, I will write a review on my osgeex blog.

Don't you get me wrong, I only write reviews on osgeex if the software
is worth it. I'm not going to waste my time, energy and bandwidth on
reviewing crapware.

I will inform Thom Holwerda of http://osnews.com as well.

Once again: *Gratias* for your great work!

... A huge FreeDOS fan and Free Software Zealot :-p

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[OSCAR GONZALEZ]

Hi Jim...
thanks you very much and sorry again.
La idea es hacer entre todos un GUI facil y transportable para FreeDOS. Prometo 
que en breve lo migrare a linux.
Un abraso and thanks for all.
  
 
 
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Hi..
Sorry,pero noentiende lo que me dices...:-(
 
 
 
 

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[OSCAR GONZALEZ]

Hi
Please write in spanish. No entiendo lo que me dices.
Please, please, please...
Thanks..
 

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Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[Marti van Lin]

Shane Martin Coughlan schreef:
 Hi Marti
 
 Marti van Lin wrote:
 Do we really need another GUI? I think not. OpenGEM is just fine, but
 that's only my humble worthless opinion :-p
 Well, I think choice won't hurt :)

I agree and I feel I must apologize, since I obviously misinterpreted
one of the messages the other day.

 The issue is whether the 'WinDOS' code might have a distribution
 problem.  After that it becomes a more fuzzy question of personal taste.

Fortunately Jim cleared this up. He wrote that the code is clean.

Once more again I apologize for my previous message. The FreeDOS
community is pretty small and I believe that anyone who contributes to
FreeDOS (some way or the other) deserves our deepest respect.

Please let's keep it that way and be kind to each other... It's a small
world after all ;-)

Cheers

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Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[Marti van Lin]

Eric Auer wrote:

 of course English is preferred but Oscar does not speak
 English well, so he is kind of forced to use Spanish
 from time to time ;-).

Hi Eric, nice hearing from you again ;-)

But once more, this was NOT a personal attack, but a request.

Just imagine if we start writing each other in our native languages. For
example if I started writing in German to you or in Hebrew to Israeli
members of the list.

In the end we won't be able to understand each other any longer.

Oscar's contribution is great and very much appreciated . He shouldn't
be ashamed of his crappy English, mine is crappy to.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[Marti van Lin]

OSCAR GONZALEZ wrote:
 
 Hi Marti.
 
 Yo no use nada de codigo de microsoft. todo lo que hice esta en GCC 3.0.4 
 y es Free Open Source.
 
 Por favor probalo.
 
 Todo el problema fue que puse en la pantalla de Inicio un logo similar al 
 de windows. Sorry.

Sorry Oscar I can't give an answer in Spanish, because I don't know that
language, however what I understood of your message is, that your *not*
using Microsoft code, but only a Windows similar logo.

Great, I'll download it, after I've finished this message and have some fun.

With kind regards,

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Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[Marti van Lin]

OSCAR GONZALEZ wrote:
 Hi Marti...
 
 Please test it. I push Windos in 
 fpt.ibiblio.org/incoming/freedos/windos01.7z

Of course I will ;-)

Testing software is my life.

There for I have a dedicated box that runs FreeDOS (singleboot)

However if you are using Microsoft code, forget it. I've had it with The
Gates of hell for years :-)

See my version of The Gospel of Tux. which is dedicated to the memory
of Conrad Zuse.

http://ml2mst.googlepages.com/thegospeloftux

And you'll know what I mean :-)

Keep up the good work Oscar!

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Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[Jim Hall]

On 11/29/07, Jim Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 11/29/07, OSCAR GONZALEZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  hi.
 
   I remove the Microsoft logo from the boot screen and rename the project
  from WinDOS to FreeWin.
 

 Hold on a sec. I was never able to get your GUI to run, so I did not
 know about the Microsoft logo. Why was that ever put on your program's
 boot screen to begin with?

 Now I'm starting to wonder about what's going on. What did I mirror to
 ibiblio? Please tell me more about how you started the WinDOS program.
 I need to feel comfortable that this isn't some derivative of the
 Windows code leak a few years ago. I've removed WinDOS from ibiblio in
 the meantime.



All,

I've been in an off-list discussion with Oscar, and now understand his
project is clean. It is based on SEAL and Allego, and includes
Oscar's own contributions. The only mistake was including images from
Microsoft Windows. And Oscar has corrected that in a new archive file
that he sent me, so I will post that now to ibiblio so others may use
and enjoy it.

I hate having to ask these kinds of questions to people who eagerly
want to contribute to FreeDOS, but my most important job is protecting
the FreeDOS Project. So while I don't like doing it, I believe
stopping to ask these questions was the right thing to do.

I'd like to thank everyone on the list for being so understanding. Thanks!

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Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[Shane Martin Coughlan]

Hi Marti

Marti van Lin wrote:
 Do we really need another GUI? I think not. OpenGEM is just fine, but
 that's only my humble worthless opinion :-p
Well, I think choice won't hurt :) 

The issue is whether the 'WinDOS' code might have a distribution
problem.  After that it becomes a more fuzzy question of personal taste.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[Florian Xaver]

 I've been in an off-list discussion with Oscar, and now understand his
 project is clean. It is based on SEAL and Allego, and includes
 Oscar's own contributions. The only mistake was including images from
 Microsoft Windows. And Oscar has corrected that in a new archive file
 that he sent me, so I will post that now to ibiblio so others may use
 and enjoy it.

SEAL??? I had developed for SEAL in the past and am very interested. (It 
is better than oZone? ;-) I have tried to port SEAL to the latest 
version of GCC and Alegro but haven't luck.

Where can I download it? The link haven't worked for me.

 
 I hate having to ask these kinds of questions to people who eagerly
 want to contribute to FreeDOS, but my most important job is protecting
 the FreeDOS Project. So while I don't like doing it, I believe
 stopping to ask these questions was the right thing to do.

Todo es bien :-)

Bye
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[OSCAR GONZALEZ]

hi.
 I remove the Microsoft logo from the boot screen and rename the project from 
WinDOS to FreeWin.
thanks you.
 
 
   
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Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[Jim Hall]

On 11/29/07, OSCAR GONZALEZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 hi.

  I remove the Microsoft logo from the boot screen and rename the project
 from WinDOS to FreeWin.


Hold on a sec. I was never able to get your GUI to run, so I did not
know about the Microsoft logo. Why was that ever put on your program's
boot screen to begin with?

Now I'm starting to wonder about what's going on. What did I mirror to
ibiblio? Please tell me more about how you started the WinDOS program.
I need to feel comfortable that this isn't some derivative of the
Windows code leak a few years ago. I've removed WinDOS from ibiblio in
the meantime.


-jh

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[OSCAR GONZALEZ]

Hi.. Cristian Simonyi say WinDos is a microsoft logo. adjunto el logo 
windos. Please run regedit.exe and change GRAPHICS/WIDTH, GRAPHICS/HEIGHT  
GRAPHICS/DEPTH for you videocard and try again. EL CHANGO v4. 



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Jim Hall wrote:
 Hold on a sec. I was never able to get your GUI to run, so I did not
 know about the Microsoft logo. Why was that ever put on your program's
 boot screen to begin with?
 Now I'm starting to wonder about what's going on. What did I mirror to
 ibiblio? Please tell me more about how you started the WinDOS program.
 I need to feel comfortable that this isn't some derivative of the
 Windows code leak a few years ago. I've removed WinDOS from ibiblio in
 the meantime.
   
Oh dear.  Jim, I think you have done exactly the right thing.  Until the
code is clarified it's important to be cautious.

Oscar (the author/distributor), please don't be offended.  It is
important to clarify the status of the code and project to make sure
that there is no problem in legally distributing it with or for FreeDOS.

Shane


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[OSCAR GONZALEZ]

Hi
Ok and thanks you. please test it. run regedit.exe and change at your 
preferences.

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[Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

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Hi Marti...
Please test it. I push Windos in fpt.ibiblio.org/incoming/freedos/windos01.7z
 

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Holasss...
Ya cargue en ftp.ibiblio.org/incoming/freedos el fichero install.7z
 
 
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[Jim Hall]

On 11/28/07, OSCAR GONZALEZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Holasss...
  Ya cargue en ftp.ibiblio.org/incoming/freedos el fichero
 install.7z



This has now been moved to
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/gui/windos/

I also put a translated copy of the README.TXT file there.


BTW, I can't get this to work on my system (DOSEmu / FreeDOS 1.0).
When I try to execute the program, my screen fades to black and my
FreeDOS session hangs.

-jh

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[Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[OSCAR GONZALEZ]

Hi
WinDos lo hice en Windows 98. no se si en otro SO funciona.
Mañana voy a instalar Linux y voy a probarlo con FreeDOS via DosEmu.
 
 
 

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[Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[OSCAR GONZALEZ]

Hi...
Please run regedit.exe and try changing GRAPHICS/WIDTH, GRAPHICS/HEIGHT and 
GRAPHICS/DEPTH and try again.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

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2007/11/28, OSCAR GONZALEZ [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Hi...
  Please run regedit.exe and try changing GRAPHICS/WIDTH, GRAPHICS/HEIGHT and
 GRAPHICS/DEPTH and try again.


Hi,

at first: nice job! :)

(I installed WinDOS 01 on a dedicated partition '/dev/hda1' and it
worked out of the box)

comments / sugggestions:

- Please remove the Microsoft logo from the boot screen.
- Please rename the project from WinDOS to something else.
(Microsoft will ask the same.)

other:
the system froze severalt time during the test (conducted solely for a
couple of minutes), I suspect that the video card was kiecked with the
1280X1024 resolution (can at most 800X600 with a vesa driver as it is
an old integrated trident with 4 MB video RAM)

Again: nice job! :o)

Best regards

email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[OSCAR GONZALEZ]

Hola.
   My english is very bad.
   Mi nombre es Oscar y realice un GUI para FreeDOS pero no se como hacer para 
enviartelo ya que pesa 200MB y es imposible enviarlo por mail ya
que tengo una coneccion de 64k.
   Please give me how to upload my Gui for FreeDOS.
 
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Gui for FreeDOS

[Jim Hall]

On 11/27/07, OSCAR GONZALEZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hola.
  My english is very bad.
  Mi nombre es Oscar y realice un GUI para FreeDOS pero no se como hacer para
 enviartelo ya que pesa 200MB y es imposible enviarlo por mail ya
  que tengo una coneccion de 64k.
  Please give me how to upload my Gui for FreeDOS.



Hola.

Usted puede cargar sus GUI a nuestro servidor en Ibiblio. Utilice un
cliente FTP para conectarse a ftp.ibiblio.org, y ir a la
/incoming/freedos

Ponga su archivo, y me dice el nombre del archivo para poder encontrarlo.


If your program is available under the GNU GPL or a similar free/open
source license, I would be happy to mirror it on Ibiblio for others to
use.

Thanks,
-jh

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[Freedos-user] GUI

[Jesse Petre]

Me again,
I also noted during the installation that there is a gui disk. How do I launch the GUI?
Thanks!
-Jesse

Re: [Freedos-user] GUI

[Jesse Petre]

I used the floppie disks for Beta 8. I've noted a Seal2L directory under fdos, which has an install.exe in it. I had to find (on google) and run a cwsdpmi.exe in order to install seal, but I got it working.
It's a lot cooler than I was expecting :)
Thanks!
On 10/14/05, Blair Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I also noted during the installation that there is a gui disk.How do I launch the GUI?
Which installation medium did you use?Which distro?If youinstalled the GEM GUI, you can usually just change to c:\ and type gemto start it.If you installed SEAL2, you would normally change toc:\seal2 and type seal or something like that.
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Re: [Freedos-user] GUI

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I used the floppie disks for Beta 8.  I've noted a Seal2L directory under 
fdos, which has an install.exe in it.  I had to find (on google) and run a 
cwsdpmi.exe in

order to install seal, but I got it working.


SEAL 2.0 Lambda is quite old now... SEAL 2.0.11 is the latest version (and 
is itself rather old, but SEAL is unfortunately not being maintained any 
more): download it from http://sealsystem.sf.net/, you should find it 
somewhat better than Lambda (2.0.10).


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I did, and thank you!On 10/14/05, Owen Rudge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I used the floppie disks for Beta 8.I've noted a Seal2L directory under fdos, which has an install.exe in it.I had to find (on google) and run a cwsdpmi.exe in order to install seal, but I got it working.
SEAL 2.0 Lambda is quite old now... SEAL 2.0.11 is the latest version (andis itself rather old, but SEAL is unfortunately not being maintained anymore): download it from 
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