Re: what attributes go in which SQL tables?

2004-10-01 Thread Alan DeKok
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I thought that your private reply was condescending in the extreme,

  My reply told you how to educate yourself so as to find out the
information you needed to solve your problem.  If you find that
condescending, then it would appear that you are unwilling to be
educated.

  I do not believe I am capable of helping you solve your problems.

 If you're upset that something you typed got posted on the Internet I
 respectfully suggest that you not type things like that.

  The issue is one of privacy.  Posting private messages in a public
forum is a public statement by you that your behavior is inappropriate.

 Although I'm quite sure that you know much more about this subject than I,
 it occurs to me that there may be documentation somewhere not in your
 possession, or, shocker, that someone else may know something that you do
 not.  That may be naive of me, perhaps you actually do know everything,
 but to the group, I offered, Alan doesn't have the docs, does anyone
 else?  Pride cometh, my man...

  What documentation exists is either included with the server, on the
web page, or pointed to from the web page.

  To imply that some additional documentation exists is to imply that
the developers of the server have secret documentation which they
show only to the people who ask.  You are stating that our behavior is
unethical and unprofessional.

  That's rude.  Hence my response.  You're unwilling to acknowledge
your behavior, hence your shock that anyone would be insulted by your
insulting insinuations.

  Alan DeKok.


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what attributes go in which SQL tables?

2004-09-30 Thread Brian Ammons
i do know what man pages are, I did set all of this up myself.  I'm new (6
months) to Linux but I'm able to figure stuff out with just a push in the
right direction...you could have said RTFM and I would have gotten the
hint. typing man users doesn't bring up anything about radius, it's about
the users command, which reports who's logged into the system.

that doesn't change how the server works - that's not very helpful,
sorry - my whole question was about how the server works becuase I DON'T
understand it and (sorry if I'm being repetitive) I was asking if there was
anywhere else I could look for enlightenment.  I guess the answer is no.

I appreciate the time you've spent answering my questions.  I'll look
elsewhere for the answers I'm looking for.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alan
DeKok
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 3:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: stupid question


 Man Users - What does that mean?  Manually added users?

  It means read the documentation for the users file in the system
man pages.

  Try typing man users on a command-line, and picking up an intro
to Unix book.  If you don't know what man pages are, you're missing a
LOT of the available documentation.

 I asked about the order that it looks at the tables because I thought that
 radcheck was for validation only.  However George's reply indicated that
I
 should put Auth-Type in radcheck - but to my current way of thinking
 Auth-Type is a a reply-type thing, not a validation-type thing...

  You cna think that way if you want, but that doesn't change how the
server works.

 after I put the Auth-Type entry into radcheck (it's the only
Auth-Type
 entry in the whole database I still get the following warning (2 auth
 types)in the debug screen:

  So read the rest of the debug log to see what else is going on.

 So is there no precise breakdown of which types of attributes (as in the
 users file on page 84 of the oreilly book) go in which SQL table and the
 order in which the tables are checked, including error conditions?

  No.

  Alan DeKok.



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Re: what attributes go in which SQL tables?

2004-09-30 Thread Alan DeKok
Brian Ammons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...

  You sent me a private message, I sent you a private response.
Posting that response publicly is bad netiquette.

 i do know what man pages are, I did set all of this up myself.  I'm new (6
 months) to Linux but I'm able to figure stuff out with just a push in the
 right direction...you could have said RTFM and I would have gotten the
 hint. typing man users doesn't bring up anything about radius, it's about
 the users command, which reports who's logged into the system.

  So... I did say RTFM, but not in a way which led you immediately
to the exact solution.  Your response was not to say that typing man
users got you the wrong man page, but that you didn't know what I
meant by man users.

  Now you say you DO know what man users means.  I hate being lied to.

  And you're asking me to do something I did: tell you to RTFM.  But
for personal reasons, you decided that you didn't like my RTFM
response, and you're getting angry at me, that I should should have
told you RTFM.

  My acronym in response is: WTF?

 that doesn't change how the server works - that's not very helpful,
 sorry - my whole question was about how the server works becuase I DON'T
 understand it and (sorry if I'm being repetitive) I was asking if there was
 anywhere else I could look for enlightenment.  I guess the answer is no.

  In the post:

http://lists.freeradius.org/pipermail/freeradius-users/2004-September/036699.html

  I already told you there wasn't much in the way of documentation of
server internals.  Now you guess that the answer is no.  I fail to
see why you have to guess when I already told you the answer.

  Alan DeKok.

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Re: what attributes go in which SQL tables?

2004-09-30 Thread bammons
I really wish I could just pass on the flame war, however:

I resent your use of the phrase lied to.  I didn't know that you wanted
me to type man users - that may seem obvious to you and possibly
everyone else but not to me, my apologies.  In the future, you could
advise type 'man users' and read up you stoopid eediot and I would have
understood.  Or...not, totally up to you.

I thought that your private reply was condescending in the extreme,
despite my best attempts to convey to you my gratitude for your advice and
my thanks to you for replying and despite the fact that I prefaced all of
my queries with a note that I was a newbie etc.  I don't think (I don't
hope) that you would have taken that tone in a public forum - however,
judging by your latest, I see that I was wrong (again).

If you're upset that something you typed got posted on the Internet I
respectfully suggest that you not type things like that.

Re: this:

   I already told you there wasn't much in the way of documentation of
 server internals.  Now you guess that the answer is no.  I fail to
see why you have to guess when I already told you the answer.

Although I'm quite sure that you know much more about this subject than I,
it occurs to me that there may be documentation somewhere not in your
possession, or, shocker, that someone else may know something that you do
not.  That may be naive of me, perhaps you actually do know everything,
but to the group, I offered, Alan doesn't have the docs, does anyone
else?  Pride cometh, my man...

I would have thought that the docs I was looking for would have existed
somewhere as they seem like they would be very basic knowledge re: the
interaction of radius and mysql - an assumption that has surely caused me
to look like the proverbial a**.

I'll be certain to strip out my assumptions next time.

 Brian Ammons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ...

   You sent me a private message, I sent you a private response.
 Posting that response publicly is bad netiquette.

 i do know what man pages are, I did set all of this up myself.  I'm new
(6
 months) to Linux but I'm able to figure stuff out with just a push in
the
 right direction...you could have said RTFM and I would have gotten
the
 hint. typing man users doesn't bring up anything about radius, it's
about
 the users command, which reports who's logged into the system.

   So... I did say RTFM, but not in a way which led you immediately
 to the exact solution.  Your response was not to say that typing man
users got you the wrong man page, but that you didn't know what I meant
by man users.

   Now you say you DO know what man users means.  I hate being lied to.

   And you're asking me to do something I did: tell you to RTFM.  But
 for personal reasons, you decided that you didn't like my RTFM
 response, and you're getting angry at me, that I should should have told
you RTFM.

   My acronym in response is: WTF?

 that doesn't change how the server works - that's not very helpful,
sorry - my whole question was about how the server works becuase I DON'T
 understand it and (sorry if I'm being repetitive) I was asking if there
was
 anywhere else I could look for enlightenment.  I guess the answer is
no.

   In the post:

 http://lists.freeradius.org/pipermail/freeradius-users/2004-September/036699.html

   I already told you there wasn't much in the way of documentation of
 server internals.  Now you guess that the answer is no.  I fail to
see why you have to guess when I already told you the answer.

   Alan DeKok.

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