Re: [Freevo-users] audio.cdbackup
On Tue 29.07.2003 at 02:04:38AM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: We could create the interface, Interface doesn't allow any circumvention. Also, regarding the binaries, from what I know, DMCA has no power here in Brazil, so I can distribute it... and F*ck the DMCA. Yes, but there must be no link from Freevo's homepage to the brazilian web site hosting the binaries, because that would be ``publishing a way to get around the copy protection systems''. And if we don't give the end-users an easy and straightforward way to download the binaries, they will not be happy. One solution would be to move the entire project to Brazil, and reset the freevo.org domain to the brasilian server. The CVS could be still hosted on SourceForge, but the releases and the runtime would be in Brazil. And there must be no link from SourceForge *to* Brazil (the reverse might be allowed, though). Disclaimer: this was just an idea, I'm not a lawyer, and I don't know it it would be completely legal. Anyway, if RIAA, MPAA friends want to sue the Freevo project, the fact that it is not hosted in U.S. will probably make not much of a difference. I suppose the U.S. government has some power in Brazil the same way it has in Europe... (If not, then congratulations to the brazilian people for being completely independant from the U.S.) Matthieu -- (~._.~)Matthieu Weber - Université de Jyväskylä (~._.~) ( ? )email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ? ) ()- -() public key id : 452AE0AD ()- -() (_)-(_) Humor ist, wenn man trotzdem lacht (Germain Muller) (_)-(_) --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Subtitles in file of another name
On Mon 28.07.2003 at 05:11:01PM +0200, Soft Intelligent wrote: Hello. I am new user of freevo and it is very nice :) But I have a film on CD with subtitle in another file. Name of this file is different from the name of film f.e.: film is zzz.avi subtitles is xxx.txt Is there any easy way to play this film with subtitle? Create a FXD file for that movie. Read the doc about FXD on the WiKi. Matthieu -- (~._.~)Matthieu Weber - Université de Jyväskylä (~._.~) ( ? )email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ? ) ()- -() public key id : 452AE0AD ()- -() (_)-(_) Humor ist, wenn man trotzdem lacht (Germain Muller) (_)-(_) --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] audio.cdbackup
There is a great gentoo script available from the multimedia forum on forums.gentoo.org which enables backup of DVD to SVCD, VCD etc, also avi to VCD (and DVD to VCD 'on the fly'). The script is called 'myvcd'. This is a next genration to the one shipped with mplayer, the auther has taken the menvcd script and added alot of automation to it, also the very cool on the fly dvd to vcd (no HD backup), from my (very little) expreince with it, the inteligence has already been implemented, so it would just be a matter of GUI-ing the tool, I would definately recomend anyone interested to look at myvcd before menvcd, myvcd does everything menvcd does and more and better.. I wish GKnot was reaesed on unix, it really is the eaisest way to make good quality divx copies of anything, and an amalgamation of those 2 tools into one would be really l33t ;-) On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 13:41, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: but we should consider 3 pass encoding and VCD. There is a script in mplayer/TOOLS to create VCD and other to create DivX CDs, but we should consider integrating calcbpp.pl and stuff. I would like to code that stuff, but I'm busy this month. Gustavo --- Rich C [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Well, getting back to your original question, it would be fairly easy to copy and modify audio.cdbackup (cdbackup.py), to be transformed into a DVD backup plugin. For use in countries where it's legal of course. Vobcopy is analgous to cdparanoia, Lame is analogous to mencoder Cheers, -Rich --- Q [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about DVD back-up. :) I know You've only just finished with CD back-up, but DVD-backup would be cool too. (Back-up to a full movie, Divx or SVCD or all of or any one of a combination of all three. I'm aware of the legal problems this presents, but I don't see a problem with wanting to back-up my own DVD collection, or in being able to record TV shows etc in full DVD format for later recording back to DVD-R disk. I don't really see it presenting any more problems than a user wanting to back up their CD collection. Possibly a long shot, but worth mentioning I guess. Q - Original Message - From: Rich C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [Freevo-users] audio.cdbackup For those that are using the daily CVS snapshot or checking out from CVS and want to rip CDs, I added useage info in the Documentation wiki: 2.3.7 Ripping/Backing Up Audio CDs http://freevo.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/DocumentationPage -Rich --- Aubin Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if the cdbackup plugin exists outside of CVS, so you'll need to either upgrade to the CVS version or wait for a new release... 1.3.2 was out before the cdbackup plugin was completed... Aubin On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 04:23:59PM -0400, christopher neitzert wrote: hiya I'm running freevo 1.3.2pre4 under linux 2.4.21-custom, and Everything is working just fine except I am unable to find the module audio.cdbackup to set up the ripper. can anyone help with pointing out a location or FAQ as to making my own? thanks chris --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter
Re: [Freevo-users] Legal issues [Was: audio.cdbackup]
Yeah, well I stilll think your overreacting. The RIAA and/or MPAA as you put it ,took a bumch of pirates to court - and no one is talking about piracy here. A lot of those cases have still to be proven anyway, so we would do better to wait and see what the outcome of all this was (even though I'm not convinced it's directly relevant to our situation) before go go about beating our chests in angst about what and what we are not allowed to do with any given linux application or OS. Not that I'm saying people shouldn't work on the legalities, it would be cool if someone could come up with a legal way to watch DVD's and other media on Linux (although this would only cause others to eventually find a way to circumvent it) and then we could finally put this thing behind us and make it a non-issue. Again though I would have to wonder what would be the practical use of a HTPC system that was crippled by legalities and which ultimately couldn't do very much because of them? Most of the codecs (although not all) around today are licenced in some way or another, if you ripped everything out, at the end of the day you would probably end up with just a pretty GUI that simply sat there without doing anything useful at all.. As I have said previously perhaps 3 or so years ago might have been a good time to discuss these matters - and indeed until I mentioned it (although it wasn't the main focus of my question) it wasn't even an issue. However my impression now is that people appear to fall into two camps on this, those who are concenrned about the exact letter of the law and who are anxious to comply - and those who don't give a damn, think these laws are silly and absubed and and unjust and who are willing to accept ay 'percieved' risks in order to pursue as what they see as their inherant civil liberties. I guess its not hard to work out which camps both you and I fall into. Personally I don't give a damn - and for those who do, given the long standing legal status of these issues (as far as I know they have always been technically illegal under Linux) then maybe this isn't the best place for them to be? The status of MP3 and DVD playback on MS windows has at least always been pretty clear. If you wish to tie yourself up in legal knots, this is likely to be the only way (for now) that you will be able to resolve them. Admittedly this whole project exists in a grey area. But then it always has done - as do all similar projects of this nature. Given the seeming inability for developers to come up with a legal way to watch and play this media, I don't see how the situation can be resolved very quickly. In the mean time unless you are a pirate and are regularly downloading illegal materials, I think it is unlikely that the RIAA or anyone else will be putting very much effort into monitoring your activities. So basically my advice is don't create a problem until there is acutally a problem to deal with. Ultimately no one forces anyone to use any of the facilities provided by this project. If someone was so deeply worried about the implications of doing so, perhaps a legal warning advising them of the risks involved and warning them not to redistribute any recorded media would suffice. Until however we see a single sucessful prosecution of someone using a Linux operating system to backup their own legally owned media, the so called 'risks' involved are in my view heavily overstated. Q - Original Message - From: Matthieu Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [Freevo-users] Legal issues [Was: audio.cdbackup] On Mon 28.07.2003 at 03:57:28PM +0100, Q wrote: Lol, good stuff... So long as it means I can still do the things I want and still make my own choices, that's fine by me. If things become illegal or certain components become hard to find, well generally peeps always find a way. All I would like to see it for it to be made super simple for users to be able to put any functionality back in that cannot be directly supplied, providing they can find the missing modules/codecs etc themselves. The problem is not for users to do illegal things, the problem is for the maintainers to give the users the clues on how to do the illegal things. Jon Johanson was not sued for having watched DVDs on his Linux box, but for having *published* on the Net how to do so. I think the lawyers are going to have a hard time suing the entire Linux community, though between SCO, MS Palladium and DRM, we may all be in for a bit of a rough ride for the next couple of years. RIAA and/or MPAA has a couple of days ago sued 871 people at the same time for sharing files on P2P networks. I don't know how the U.S. justice system will absorb 871 trials at the same time, but RIAA/MPAA has done it. Matthieu -- (~._.~)Matthieu Weber - Université de Jyväskylä (~._.~) ( ? )email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ? ) ()- -()
Re: [Freevo-users] Legal issues [Was: audio.cdbackup]
On Tue 29.07.2003 at 11:32:50AM +0100, Q wrote: Yeah, well I stilll think your overreacting. The RIAA and/or MPAA as you put it ,took a bumch of pirates to court - and no one is talking about piracy here. A lot of those cases have still to be proven anyway, so we would do better to wait and see what the outcome of all this was (even though I'm not convinced it's directly relevant to our situation) before go go about beating our chests in angst about what and what we are not allowed to do with any given linux application or OS. I just wanted to point out that those guys are not afraid to sue hundreds of people at the same time, and will probably be stupid enough in the future to sue all Internet users because they might be using P2P systems. This was actually, as you said, not directly linked to our problem, it was only a illustration. Not that I'm saying people shouldn't work on the legalities, it would be cool if someone could come up with a legal way to watch DVD's and other media on Linux (although this would only cause others to eventually find a way to circumvent it) and then we could finally put this thing behind us and make it a non-issue. There is one: pay for it. Watching CSS-protected DVD-Video requires the keys, you get the keys in a legal way only by paying the DVD Consortium a couple million bucks for the license. There is no other legal way to get the keys. Period. Yes, it's shrewd, it's designed to have people paying twice for what they are buying (you buy the DVD, and then you buy the right to watch it, even though this right is a fixed price you pay when buying a Home DVD-player). Again though I would have to wonder what would be the practical use of a HTPC system that was crippled by legalities and which ultimately couldn't do very much because of them? None. However my impression now is that people appear to fall into two camps on this, those who are concenrned about the exact letter of the law and who are anxious to comply - and those who don't give a damn, think these laws are silly and absubed and and unjust and who are willing to accept ay 'percieved' risks in order to pursue as what they see as their inherant civil liberties. I guess its not hard to work out which camps both you and I fall into. I don't like laws like DMCA and EUCD either. But you seem to think only about what *you* are risking using freevo (which is close to nothing). I am thinking about what *the Freevo project and its maintainers* risk when publishing the binaries in the U.S. or in Europe, which is a lot more than nothing if the shrewd guys mentionned above decice to take actions against projects like Freevo and mplayer. In this sense, the RIAA/MPAA trials from above show one thing: the downloaders are rather safe, but the uploaders are exposed to lawsuits. In terms of Freevo, it means that users like you are rather safe, but developpers and maintainers are exposed. Personally I don't give a damn - and for those who do, given the long I already exposed in a previous mail my opinion about your messages: you seem to think only about yourself (or users in general) in this matter, not about the project and its maintainers. standing legal status of these issues (as far as I know they have always been technically illegal under Linux) then maybe this isn't the best place for them to be? The status of MP3 and DVD playback on MS windows has at least always been pretty clear. If you wish to tie yourself up in legal knots, this is likely to be the only way (for now) that you will be able to resolve them. Admittedly this whole project exists in a grey area. But then it always has done - as do all similar projects of this nature. Given the seeming inability for developers to come up with a legal way to watch and play this media, I don't see how the situation can be resolved very quickly. Yes, but the grey area was safe in the past years. It's less and less safe nowadays. In the mean time unless you are a pirate and are regularly downloading my-life A pirate is someone who attacks other ships on the sea, rob and kill people. Those who share cracked software or DivX/mp3/whatever are not robbing nor killing anyone. The word has been used only to make the act look more important than it is, and I really don't like it used that way /my-life illegal materials, I think it is unlikely that the RIAA or anyone else will be putting very much effort into monitoring your activities. Downloaders are safe. ``Uploaders'' (or those who share/publish and directly threaten the business of the Majors) are sued. So basically my advice is don't create a problem until there is acutally a problem to deal with. Ultimately no one forces anyone to use any of the facilities provided by this project. The problem already exists, in a large scale, and until a real solution is found, it is imho better to prevent than to cure. If someone was so deeply worried about the implications of doing
[Freevo-users] Mouse Control ?!?
hi, is mouse-control possible with freevo ?!? I would like to use my Touch-Screen ... cu, ben --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] any cool skins?
The only skins I know of are listed on the freevo home page: http://freevo.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html. You can activate them by simply setting the proper name in your local_conf.py. You can build your own skin by looking at the directions here: http://freevo.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/DocumentationPage_2fSkinInfo. I believe 1.3.2 also has a skin browser, but I can't remember how to activate it off the top of my head (hit 'D' on the main menu??) The directions on how to setup the idlebar can be found inside idlebar.py in your plugins directory. You can look at the cvs version here: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/freevo/freevo/src/plugins/idl ebar.py?rev=1.25content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup. Have fun, Davin - Original Message - From: Benjamin Zeiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 2:10 PM Subject: [Freevo-users] any cool skins? has anybody made some cool skins for freevo? i also wonder how to activate plugins in the new freevo like the idlebar etc. thanks for your answers! -- Benjamin Zeiss --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
[Freevo-users] Re: any cool skins?
Benjamin Zeiss wrote: has anybody made some cool skins for freevo? There are two news skins in cvs and Gustavo is also working on a skin. But we are no designer, any help is welcome. Dischi -- There are two ways to write error-free programs. Only the third one works. --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Legal issues [Was: audio.cdbackup]
I hope I have been able to make myself clear what it was I was worrying about. Kind of I guess... But ultimately as I said there never has been a way to resolve these issues - and unless the linux/freevo community comes up with a couple of million bucks there never will be either. My point being, either you live with the fact that your technically breaking the law (and always have been for as long as it has been possible to play this media in Linux) or you give up, strip Freevo of virtually all of its most important functionality and end up with something that to all intents and purposes is practically useless. I understand the differing perspectives between users and developers in this, but ultimately if Freevo is to be useful at all these perspectives have to be more or less the same. The choice, at least to me, seems simple. Either you give up, or you go on. If you go on you do so in the full light and awareness of what your doing - and more importantly, why your doing it... The bottom line is we are talking about two completely different groups of people anyway the (so called) pirates and ordinary every day Linux users, most of whom I would assume are unlikely ever to want, or need to pirate anything. All I am saying are that the chances that the RIAA (or anyone else) are monitoring this project, are at best minimal in the extreme. DVD/MP3 functionality in Linux is someone else' fight, someone with presumably much more money than any of us. So my advice is simply, until it becomes a problem, let those with more time and resorces worry about it. I think your interpritation of some of the legal aspect of this issue are extremely harsh. No one can stop you mentioning things - in a democracy freedom of speech is enshrined in law. So simply mentioning a codec or a application that may aid circumvention can hardly be said to be assisting in making that circumvention possible. I confess I think this is all very extreme, but if it ever did become a problem (which it does not currently appear to be) you should still be able to allow indirect linking to applications anyway, so long as the linking wasn't 'live'. Anyway isn't the base of Freevo, Mplayer? I don't see why that is your problem either. If the autorities ever do go after anyone (which is doubtful) surely they would go after the developers of MPlayer first? I assume that would at least give you enough warning to make alternative plans. As I said, let's wait until we see a single attempted prosecution of anyone using Linux to watch/back-up their own legitamately bought media files, then we perhaps should reassess the risks. For the moment I think it is all highly over stated. If people decide to stop developing for Linux/Freevo because of these issues, well that will simply be a victory for everyone who would like to see Linux as a viable alternative OS fail. If we willingly let that happen, then that will be a very sad day indeed. Q - Original Message - From: Matthieu Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [Freevo-users] Legal issues [Was: audio.cdbackup] On Tue 29.07.2003 at 11:32:50AM +0100, Q wrote: Yeah, well I stilll think your overreacting. The RIAA and/or MPAA as you put it ,took a bumch of pirates to court - and no one is talking about piracy here. A lot of those cases have still to be proven anyway, so we would do better to wait and see what the outcome of all this was (even though I'm not convinced it's directly relevant to our situation) before go go about beating our chests in angst about what and what we are not allowed to do with any given linux application or OS. I just wanted to point out that those guys are not afraid to sue hundreds of people at the same time, and will probably be stupid enough in the future to sue all Internet users because they might be using P2P systems. This was actually, as you said, not directly linked to our problem, it was only a illustration. Not that I'm saying people shouldn't work on the legalities, it would be cool if someone could come up with a legal way to watch DVD's and other media on Linux (although this would only cause others to eventually find a way to circumvent it) and then we could finally put this thing behind us and make it a non-issue. There is one: pay for it. Watching CSS-protected DVD-Video requires the keys, you get the keys in a legal way only by paying the DVD Consortium a couple million bucks for the license. There is no other legal way to get the keys. Period. Yes, it's shrewd, it's designed to have people paying twice for what they are buying (you buy the DVD, and then you buy the right to watch it, even though this right is a fixed price you pay when buying a Home DVD-player). Again though I would have to wonder what would be the practical use of a HTPC system that was crippled by legalities and which ultimately couldn't do very much because of them? None. However my impression
Re: [Freevo-users] audio.cdbackup
On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 09:09:54PM -0700, Rich C wrote: If you really want a stand alone HTPC machine, Freevo should really run the mencoder process. I imagine setting the process at a low priority should allow you to still do other things (watch TV, listen to music) while it's encoding. If it takes up too much processing time, you could always schedule the rip to happen at off hours, say 2am. Freevo could every day at 2am, check if the DVD in the drive has been backed up and if not, go ahead and back itup. That's pretty much what I figured; but the ripping process is relatively quick compared to encoding. I would think ripping could happen inside Freevo, and we could schedule the encoding to happen at off hours. Aubin --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Legal issues [Was: audio.cdbackup]
On Tue 29.07.2003 at 01:52:36PM +0100, Q wrote: I hope I have been able to make myself clear what it was I was worrying about. Kind of I guess... But ultimately as I said there never has been a way to resolve these issues - and unless the linux/freevo community comes up with a couple of million bucks there never will be either. Yes. My point being, either you live with the fact that your technically breaking the law (and always have been for as long as it has been possible to play this media in Linux) or you give up, strip Freevo of virtually all of its most important functionality and end up with something that to all intents and purposes is practically useless. [...] The choice, at least to me, seems simple. Either you give up, or you go on. If you go on you do so in the full light and awareness of what your doing - and more importantly, why your doing it... There is a middle solution, which has been adopted by other projects team: provide the user with what is legal, and let the user find by himself what is not. Thus the complete tool will be functional, but the user has to do the illegal part by himself. The bottom line is we are talking about two completely different groups of people anyway the (so called) pirates and ordinary every day Linux users, most of whom I would assume are unlikely ever to want, or need to pirate anything. All I am saying are that the chances that the RIAA (or anyone else) are monitoring this project, are at best minimal in the extreme. That is true. But they are more and more monitoring, and the probability is raising from extremely low to less extremely (even though it is still rather low). DVD/MP3 functionality in Linux is someone else' fight, someone with presumably much more money than any of us. So my advice is simply, until it becomes a problem, let those with more time and resorces worry about it. I think your interpritation of some of the legal aspect of this issue are extremely harsh. No one can stop you mentioning things - in a democracy freedom of speech is enshrined in law. So simply mentioning a codec or a application that may aid circumvention can hardly be said to be assisting in making that circumvention possible. Welcome to the real world. U.S and European Union are everyday less of a democracy. Companies are paying politicians for making laws that will increase their profit and reduces the freedom of people, who anyway don't care and won't notice anything until it is too late, and nowadays consider people who care as nerds, anarchists or lunatics. DMCA/EUCD, software patents, DRM/Palladium/TCPA (the two latter ones have changed names to look more innocuous, but remain the same) are all targeted to the same goal: allowing the big companies to get more money, crushing the smaller ones, and taxing more money from unaware citizens. Your freedom of speech exists, as long as it does not interfere with another law (like DMCA). In France for example, racist speeches are against the law, even though there is freedom of speech there. The problem with DMCA and EUCD is that they are far too much generic, and you can use it for almost anything. I confess I think this is all very extreme, but if it ever did become a problem (which it does not currently appear to be) you should still be able to allow indirect linking to applications anyway, so long as the linking wasn't 'live'. Anyway isn't the base of Freevo, Mplayer? I don't see why that is your problem either. If the autorities ever do go after anyone (which is doubtful) surely they would go after the developers of MPlayer Doubtful? Haven't they gone after Jon Johanson, the DeCSS guy? Even though he was not in the same country? When you see that U.S. government is willing to enforce U.S. law *outside* of the U.S. by any possible mean, I don't consider everything is possible :( first? I assume that would at least give you enough warning to make alternative plans. They might, but they have no obligation to do so if they decide that you would make a good ``example''. As I said, let's wait until we see a single attempted prosecution of anyone using Linux to watch/back-up their own legitamately bought media files, then This is not the point, one more time. The point is that ``Freevo telling people how to do it'' is also illegal. That people are actually doing it or not is not relevant. we perhaps should reassess the risks. For the moment I think it is all highly over stated. May be. But as I already said, I prefer preventing than curing. Matthieu -- (~._.~)Matthieu Weber - Université de Jyväskylä (~._.~) ( ? )email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ? ) ()- -() public key id : 452AE0AD ()- -() (_)-(_) Humor ist, wenn man trotzdem lacht (Germain Muller) (_)-(_) --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including
Re: [Freevo-users] audio.cdbackup
On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 10:26:52AM +0300, Matthieu Weber wrote: Yes, but there must be no link from Freevo's homepage to the brazilian web site hosting the binaries, because that would be ``publishing a way to get around the copy protection systems''. And if we don't give the end-users an easy and straightforward way to download the binaries, they will not be happy. I'm not sure how it works; but Debian includes a script called install-css which will fetch and install dvdcss automatically, so perhaps something like that on install would work. Disclaimer: this was just an idea, I'm not a lawyer, and I don't know it it would be completely legal. Anyway, if RIAA, MPAA friends want to sue the Freevo project, the fact that it is not hosted in U.S. will probably make not much of a difference. I suppose the U.S. government has some power in Brazil the same way it has in Europe... (If not, then congratulations to the brazilian people for being completely independant from the U.S.) I'm in Canada, where there are no laws (yet) I actually spoke to a government panel on it... but the whole thing needs to be handled cleanly for users, but also without exposing us to risk. Aubin --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Legal issues [Was: audio.cdbackup]
On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 11:32:50AM +0100, Q wrote: However my impression now is that people appear to fall into two camps on this, those who are concenrned about the exact letter of the law and who are anxious to comply - and those who don't give a damn, think these laws are silly and absubed and and unjust and who are willing to accept ay 'percieved' risks in order to pursue as what they see as their inherant civil liberties. I guess its not hard to work out which camps both you and I fall into. You don't necessarily have to fall into a camp. I definitely find the legalities absurd, and many countries have even deemed DVD restrictions illegal (in some parts of Europe and Australia IIRC) Personally I don't give a damn - and for those who do, given the long standing legal status of these issues (as far as I know they have always been technically illegal under Linux) then maybe this isn't the best place for them to be? The status of MP3 and DVD playback on MS windows has at least always been pretty clear. If you wish to tie yourself up in legal knots, this is likely to be the only way (for now) that you will be able to resolve them. Actually even Windows would require you to download a seperate application to watch DVDs... but it's more due to mpeg2 licensing. Until however we see a single sucessful prosecution of someone using a Linux operating system to backup their own legally owned media, the so called 'risks' involved are in my view heavily overstated. Aubin --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
[Freevo-users] Hauppage WinTV PCI
Heya Ok, this question isn't really related to freevo, but i know many of you ppl are using those cards. Someone of you might have the same problem I have. Bought a card yesterday, but my computer dosent find it :/ It dosen't show up in bios or lspci :/ It's a 878A chipset. My mobo is a AOpen MK33 (via kt133 chipset). I have tried all pci slots and with a different gfx card. Updated the bios and tried 1000nd's of bios settings, but nothing helps :/. I have tried both bttv 0.9.11 and 0.7.107, but they cant find the card :/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# modprobe bttv/lib/modules/2.4.21-openmosix-1/v4l2/bttv.o: init_module: No such device/lib/modules/2.4.21-openmosix-1/v4l2/bttv.o: Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. You may find more information in syslog or the output from dmesg/lib/modules/2.4.21-openmosix-1/v4l2/bttv.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.21-openmosix-1/v4l2/bttv.o failed/lib/modules/2.4.21-openmosix-1/v4l2/bttv.o: insmod bttv failed this is my modules.conf: alias char-major-195 nvidiaalias char-major-89 i2c-devalias char-major-81 videodevalias char-major-81-0 bttvoptions i2c-core i2c_debug=1options i2c-algo-bit bit_test=1options bttv card=10 sloppy=1 irq_debug=1options tuner debug=1 i read that sloppy=1 can solve hw issues in some cases, but not in mine, I guess :/ Well, if anyone have tips or a solution to my problem, feel free to post it ;) I have called and mailed Hauppage for support, but so far no luck :/ Regards Johan
Re: [Freevo-users] audio.cdbackup
That sounds good... though isn't ripping directly from DVD-DiVX very hard on the ROM drive? I've heard you can easily damage your hardware and/or the disc because it'll be spinning for 10-12 hours. On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 07:21:05PM +0800, Mick wrote: There is a great gentoo script available from the multimedia forum on forums.gentoo.org which enables backup of DVD to SVCD, VCD etc, also avi to VCD (and DVD to VCD 'on the fly'). The script is called 'myvcd'. This is a next genration to the one shipped with mplayer, the auther has taken the menvcd script and added alot of automation to it, also the very cool on the fly dvd to vcd (no HD backup), from my (very little) expreince with it, the inteligence has already been implemented, so it would just be a matter of GUI-ing the tool, I would definately recomend anyone interested to look at myvcd before menvcd, myvcd does everything menvcd does and more and better.. I wish GKnot was reaesed on unix, it really is the eaisest way to make good quality divx copies of anything, and an amalgamation of those 2 tools into one would be really l33t ;-) On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 13:41, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: but we should consider 3 pass encoding and VCD. There is a script in mplayer/TOOLS to create VCD and other to create DivX CDs, but we should consider integrating calcbpp.pl and stuff. I would like to code that stuff, but I'm busy this month. Gustavo --- Rich C [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Well, getting back to your original question, it would be fairly easy to copy and modify audio.cdbackup (cdbackup.py), to be transformed into a DVD backup plugin. For use in countries where it's legal of course. Vobcopy is analgous to cdparanoia, Lame is analogous to mencoder Cheers, -Rich --- Q [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about DVD back-up. :) I know You've only just finished with CD back-up, but DVD-backup would be cool too. (Back-up to a full movie, Divx or SVCD or all of or any one of a combination of all three. I'm aware of the legal problems this presents, but I don't see a problem with wanting to back-up my own DVD collection, or in being able to record TV shows etc in full DVD format for later recording back to DVD-R disk. I don't really see it presenting any more problems than a user wanting to back up their CD collection. Possibly a long shot, but worth mentioning I guess. Q - Original Message - From: Rich C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [Freevo-users] audio.cdbackup For those that are using the daily CVS snapshot or checking out from CVS and want to rip CDs, I added useage info in the Documentation wiki: 2.3.7 Ripping/Backing Up Audio CDs http://freevo.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/DocumentationPage -Rich --- Aubin Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if the cdbackup plugin exists outside of CVS, so you'll need to either upgrade to the CVS version or wait for a new release... 1.3.2 was out before the cdbackup plugin was completed... Aubin On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 04:23:59PM -0400, christopher neitzert wrote: hiya I'm running freevo 1.3.2pre4 under linux 2.4.21-custom, and Everything is working just fine except I am unable to find the module audio.cdbackup to set up the ripper. can anyone help with pointing out a location or FAQ as to making my own? thanks chris --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01
Re: [Freevo-users] TV-out on G450
OK, I've got mplayer and TV-out working with dfbmga!! I was a bit confused when following the HOWTO because it did not fit with the new version of directfb (0.9.19), named patches did not exist etc. I followed it as far as I could and as you wrote, Aubin, it was easier with the new versions than those described in the how-to. Thanks for the help. However, when I started Freevo, it stopped with the followin error: pygame.error: No available video device I'm using the following freevo.conf: chanlist = us-cable display = dfbmga geometry = 720x576 jpegtran = ./runtime/apps/jpegtran mplayer = /usr/local/bin/mplayer tv = pal tvtime = ./runtime/apps/tvtime/tvtime version = 2.0 When I configure SDL I get a message saying that pkg-config is missing and required to build DirectFB video driver. I guess this is why Freevo won't start. But I have pkg-config installed... Anyone that have an idea of what to do? /Björn --- Aubin Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: DirectFB is actually much easier than it used to be. You really just need out of the box versions of DirectFB and SDL. If your distribution provides directfb support in SDL you might not need to build anything. On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 09:21:25PM +0200, Jortan H wrote: I can run MPlayer with -vo mga on my monitor. But I can't manage to get the picture on the TV. I was going to try DirectFB later but wanted to start with the 'easy' way. And as you see there's already trouble... I'll try with the matrox-TV-out-HOWTO tonight. /Bjorn --- Rudi Lindl [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: Processor type and features --- [*] MTRR (Memory Type Range Register) support Console drivers --- Frame-buffer support --- Support for frame buffer devices (EXPERIMENTAL) (NEW) Matrox acceleration (EXPERIMENTAL) (NEW) G100/G200/G400/G450/G550 support (NEW) G450/G550 second head support (mandatory for G550) I have a G450 and it works fine...(after some troubles). First of all i have to know more about what you have already done and what already works and what not - Did you follow the instructions listed under http://www.sci.fi/%7Esyrjala/directfb/matrox-tv-out-howto? - Does mplayer work with -vo dfbmga? If not follow the instructions in the link above. They worked fine for me. Be shure to use the latest mplayer(i suggest cvs!!!) I had some troubles with older versions even v0.90 didn't work. And entered this to enable TV-out: matroxset -f /dev/fb1 -m 0 matroxset -f /dev/fb0 -m 3 matroxset -f /dev/fb0 -o 1 1 I did not need one of those commands at all. As far as i know these commands are for the g400 without directfb. You have to use the directfb (dfbmga in mplayer) tvout for your g450. The last command gives the error: ioctl failed: Invalid argument What does this mean? Sorry i dont't know because i did not use it. If I don't enter the last '1' it says: Output mode is 128 Then I have tried a number of different fbset settings but non of them with nice picture on the TV. Anyone with a PAL TV and G450 that can share his fbset values that works? I just copied the fbmodes from directfb to /etc/fbmodes see link above If you have managed to get mplayer to work with your g450 and tv-out then and only then try to get freevo to get work. I don't know if i did the easiest way to configure freevo but it finally worked. i took the source version of freevo and made all the dependencies myself. make sure to use your own mplayer(cvs). i compiled my own sdl but i do not know if this was necessary. configure freevo to use dfbmga thats all. i hope this helped cya, rudi --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users _ G? f?re i k?n och f? din sajt v?rderad p? nolltid med Yahoo! Express Se mer p?: http://se.docs.yahoo.com/info/express/help/index.html --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01
Re: [Freevo-users] TV-out on G450
I'm having the same prob. Tho directfb seems to work and dfbplayer too. Just pygame.error: No available video device that bugs :( Youri - Original Message - From: Jortan H [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Freevo-users] TV-out on G450 OK, I've got mplayer and TV-out working with dfbmga!! I was a bit confused when following the HOWTO because it did not fit with the new version of directfb (0.9.19), named patches did not exist etc. I followed it as far as I could and as you wrote, Aubin, it was easier with the new versions than those described in the how-to. Thanks for the help. However, when I started Freevo, it stopped with the followin error: pygame.error: No available video device I'm using the following freevo.conf: chanlist = us-cable display = dfbmga geometry = 720x576 jpegtran = ./runtime/apps/jpegtran mplayer = /usr/local/bin/mplayer tv = pal tvtime = ./runtime/apps/tvtime/tvtime version = 2.0 When I configure SDL I get a message saying that pkg-config is missing and required to build DirectFB video driver. I guess this is why Freevo won't start. But I have pkg-config installed... Anyone that have an idea of what to do? /Björn --- Aubin Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: DirectFB is actually much easier than it used to be. You really just need out of the box versions of DirectFB and SDL. If your distribution provides directfb support in SDL you might not need to build anything. On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 09:21:25PM +0200, Jortan H wrote: I can run MPlayer with -vo mga on my monitor. But I can't manage to get the picture on the TV. I was going to try DirectFB later but wanted to start with the 'easy' way. And as you see there's already trouble... I'll try with the matrox-TV-out-HOWTO tonight. /Bjorn --- Rudi Lindl [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: Processor type and features --- [*] MTRR (Memory Type Range Register) support Console drivers --- Frame-buffer support --- Support for frame buffer devices (EXPERIMENTAL) (NEW) Matrox acceleration (EXPERIMENTAL) (NEW) G100/G200/G400/G450/G550 support (NEW) G450/G550 second head support (mandatory for G550) I have a G450 and it works fine...(after some troubles). First of all i have to know more about what you have already done and what already works and what not - Did you follow the instructions listed under http://www.sci.fi/%7Esyrjala/directfb/matrox-tv-out-howto? - Does mplayer work with -vo dfbmga? If not follow the instructions in the link above. They worked fine for me. Be shure to use the latest mplayer(i suggest cvs!!!) I had some troubles with older versions even v0.90 didn't work. And entered this to enable TV-out: matroxset -f /dev/fb1 -m 0 matroxset -f /dev/fb0 -m 3 matroxset -f /dev/fb0 -o 1 1 I did not need one of those commands at all. As far as i know these commands are for the g400 without directfb. You have to use the directfb (dfbmga in mplayer) tvout for your g450. The last command gives the error: ioctl failed: Invalid argument What does this mean? Sorry i dont't know because i did not use it. If I don't enter the last '1' it says: Output mode is 128 Then I have tried a number of different fbset settings but non of them with nice picture on the TV. Anyone with a PAL TV and G450 that can share his fbset values that works? I just copied the fbmodes from directfb to /etc/fbmodes see link above If you have managed to get mplayer to work with your g450 and tv-out then and only then try to get freevo to get work. I don't know if i did the easiest way to configure freevo but it finally worked. i took the source version of freevo and made all the dependencies myself. make sure to use your own mplayer(cvs). i compiled my own sdl but i do not know if this was necessary. configure freevo to use dfbmga thats all. i hope this helped cya, rudi --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users _ G? f?re i k?n och f? din sajt v?rderad p?
Re: [Freevo-users] TV-out on G450
On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 04:42:28PM +0200, Jortan H wrote: When I configure SDL I get a message saying that pkg-config is missing and required to build DirectFB video driver. I guess this is why Freevo won't start. But I have pkg-config installed... Anyone that have an idea of what to do? If SDL doesn't find directfb, then your copy of SDL probably doesn't have directfb support at all. (To check, do a 'ldd /usr/lib/libSDL*' and look for 'libdirectfb' in there) Make sure you have pkg-config and directfb with headers installed before you build SDL --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
[Freevo-users] Re: Legal issues
OK, let me try to explain some things. Q wrote: It was he who did the circumvetion, not you or anyone else, that is why the lawyers went after him and not just ordinary every day users. In any case Jon has been aquitted of all charges against him, so we still have to see an example of a single sucessful prosecution of anyone using their Linux OS and associated applications for legitamate reasons. No, I don't want to wait. You're right, noone will go after a small Linux user, playing DVDs with libdecss. With the new law in Germany (and maybe other countries) this may be illegal, but who can proof it? On the other hand, if I make a program which can play copy protected dvds or even rip them, it's illegal. And if I put it on a web site, everyone will know this. Maybe they all don't care about the Linux people -- maybe not. I don't want to wait until they sue someone, because I'm the maintainer of Freevo, and it _is_ my problem. Personally I do not relish the idea of going hunting on the web for functionality that has been removed, when this functionality is now fairly standard throughout nearly all Linux distributions. Why do you think SuSE and RedHat ship mplayer with some stuff removed? Why do you think Xine has no direct support for DeCSS? This is all about cracking the copy protection (DeCSS) and some binaries in mplayer to decode some stuff that are not free. I don't want to break the law in building a binary only that _you_ have it easy to watch DVDs. If this were the case I would hope you would at least preserve two options, one version of freevo fully enabled and hosted in a non hostile country and one that kind of just sat there and didn't do much until you added it back in yourself - if you were fortunate enough to find the components you need. Wrong! Freevo itself (as in everything _we_ do) doesn't break any law. Freevo can't watch a DVD or any video file. We use mplayer (or Xine) to do so. Because some users had problems finding all dependencies for Freevo, we started building the Freevo binary release, conatining everything you need. This is Freevo + stuff. When we kick mplayer out of the binary release, we don't remove any functions from Freevo, we only remove some deps you have to download elsewhere. I don't see the logic in it myself, as the one thing most users will do is try their hardest to immediately re-add this functionality back into freevo (Perhaps even those argung for the removal of this functionality now would do this too?) Again, it's not about what the users do privat at home, it's about what the developers do in public. My biggest concern is for the average user who having installed freevo sufddenly finds they can't use it for very much and if they do want any interesting functionality they will have to go hunting on some pretty obscure web sites with no gurantee that anything they find will be compatable. Downloading xine and mplayer isn't that hard, isn't it? These are also no obscure web sites. We are not speaking about moving function xy from Freevo to a different webserver. Freevo itself is legal! Dischi -- Beta. Software undergoes beta testing shortly before it's released. Beta is Latin for 'still doesn't work.' --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] TV-out on G450
Jortan H wrote: However, when I started Freevo, it stopped with the followin error: pygame.error: No available video device I'm using the following freevo.conf: chanlist = us-cable display = dfbmga geometry = 720x576 jpegtran = ./runtime/apps/jpegtran mplayer = /usr/local/bin/mplayer tv = pal tvtime = ./runtime/apps/tvtime/tvtime version = 2.0 When I configure SDL I get a message saying that pkg-config is missing and required to build DirectFB video driver. I guess this is why Freevo won't start. But I have pkg-config installed... Anyone that have an idea of what to do? SDL configure is probably just looking for pkg-config in the wrong place. Look for a configure option to set it straight. Once you have libSDL recompiled against your new directfb stuff, and have Freevo using that libSDL, you should export SDL_VIDEODRIVER=directfb and when starting Freevo you should see some directfb messages. You may need to play with the resolution to get thins going properly. I have Freevo set to 720x480 and in my /etc/directfbrc I have: matrox-crtc2 matrox-tv-standard=ntsc mode=640x480 primary-layer=02 -Rob --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] TV-out on G450
Rob Shortt wrote: that files from the pvr250 were _awesome_. However upon further examination there is an extremely noticable and annoying choppy effect. Do you get that? BTW I notice that mostly in scenes with high motion. --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Re: Legal issues
OK, let me try to explain some things. No need to explain. I fully understand. But I think we simply disagree on how urgent or significant it is. I think the chances of anyone comming after a small obscure (if you will forgive me from saying so) linux application suite, are minimum in the extreme. The current solution has the legally questionable modules disabled by default, and the user has to manually enable them if it is legal where he lives. This would be similar to most cars today, where the amount of emissions and horsepowers can be set in firmware to comply with local regulations. Yes, you can actually download horsepowers to your car! Tampering with Freevo might make it illegal where you live, just like tampering with your car engine would. You might think that the Freevo developers should assume the legal risk of distributing the software, due to the minimum risks involved. I don't agree with this. You've made your point that the features are valuable, but please stop arguing for other people to take personal legal risks that they are not comfortable with. This is not helpful in any way. Instead, if you'd like to help, please instead work on independently producing and distributing a runtime that has the features that you think should be in there. If you're not technically capable, you can also put your money where your mouth is and force a legal precedent. You can do this by reporting yourself to the local authorities for watching DVDs on Linux using an MPlayer that you downloaded and compiled yourself. Or even make a backup of a DVD you own... / Krister --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] TV-out on G450
I've done all this stuff (compiling sdl with directfb library, copying it to freevo runtime/lib directory, export SDL_VIDEODRIVER) and freevo still complain about not finding any video device.pygame.error: No available video device Can't we make freevo more verbose to try identifying the error ? David - Original Message - From: Rob Shortt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [Freevo-users] TV-out on G450 Jortan H wrote: However, when I started Freevo, it stopped with the followin error: pygame.error: No available video device I'm using the following freevo.conf: chanlist = us-cable display = dfbmga geometry = 720x576 jpegtran = ./runtime/apps/jpegtran mplayer = /usr/local/bin/mplayer tv = pal tvtime = ./runtime/apps/tvtime/tvtime version = 2.0 When I configure SDL I get a message saying that pkg-config is missing and required to build DirectFB video driver. I guess this is why Freevo won't start. But I have pkg-config installed... Anyone that have an idea of what to do? SDL configure is probably just looking for pkg-config in the wrong place. Look for a configure option to set it straight. Once you have libSDL recompiled against your new directfb stuff, and have Freevo using that libSDL, you should export SDL_VIDEODRIVER=directfb and when starting Freevo you should see some directfb messages. You may need to play with the resolution to get thins going properly. I have Freevo set to 720x480 and in my /etc/directfbrc I have: matrox-crtc2 matrox-tv-standard=ntsc mode=640x480 primary-layer=02 -Rob --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] TV-out on G450
It works for me now! Freevo on the TV using dfbmga.
Thanks for the help.
I downloaded the CVS snapshot of SDL (Tue Jul 22), did
an 'export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig'
and then ./configure worked ('checking for DirectFB
support yes' was there).
Compiled SDL witout any trouble. Then did an 'export
SDL_VIDEODRIVER=directfb' and after that Freevo
started fine. I think that was all I had to do.
Regards,
Björn
--- David Amiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: I had the
same pb (look in the archive) :
1/ to make SDL recognizing directfb you have to
found where the directfb.pc
file is located on your system and export the path
(export
PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/ should
work on many distribs)
during the configure you must have :checking for
DirectFB support... yes
2/ for your GLIBC pb you've to upgrade the glibc
packages (glibc, glibc
devel, etc etc)
Cheers,
David
- Original Message -
From: Youri van Gorselen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Freevo-users] TV-out on G450
My problem is indeed that SDL has no support for
directfb, after upgrading
pkgconfig and setting the export good SDL could
found directfb.
So i compiled it all, linked it, but now i get
this message:
./freevo
./runtime/apps/freevo_python:
./runtime/dll/libpthread.so.0: version
`GLIBC_2.3.2' not found (required by
/usr/local/lib/libdirectfb-0.9.so.19)
And i have no clue how i could fix that :(
Youri.
- Original Message -
From: David Amiel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Freevo-users] TV-out on G450
I've done all this stuff (compiling sdl with
directfb library, copying
it
to
freevo runtime/lib directory, export
SDL_VIDEODRIVER) and freevo still
complain about not finding any video
device.pygame.error: No available
video device
Can't we make freevo more verbose to try
identifying the error ?
David
- Original Message -
From: Rob Shortt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Freevo-users] TV-out on G450
Jortan H wrote:
However, when I started Freevo, it stopped
with the
followin error:
pygame.error: No available video device
I'm using the following freevo.conf:
chanlist = us-cable
display = dfbmga
geometry = 720x576
jpegtran = ./runtime/apps/jpegtran
mplayer = /usr/local/bin/mplayer
tv = pal
tvtime = ./runtime/apps/tvtime/tvtime
version = 2.0
When I configure SDL I get a message saying
that
pkg-config is missing and required to build
DirectFB
video driver. I guess this is why Freevo
won't start.
But I have pkg-config installed... Anyone
that have an
idea of what to do?
SDL configure is probably just looking for
pkg-config in the wrong
place. Look for a configure option to set it
straight.
Once you have libSDL recompiled against your
new directfb stuff, and
have Freevo using that libSDL, you should
export
SDL_VIDEODRIVER=directfb and when starting
Freevo you should see some
directfb messages. You may need to play with
the resolution to get
thins going properly. I have Freevo set to
720x480 and in my
/etc/directfbrc I have:
matrox-crtc2
matrox-tv-standard=ntsc
mode=640x480
primary-layer=02
-Rob
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Re: [Freevo-users] audio.cdbackup
Well the last thing I personally have to say on this issue is that if there is any difficulty at all, theoretically it is only if you directly link to the file on the site. You should be able to do dead links (non clickable) without any problems. An example some here might be familiar with is the notorius edonkey2000 site www.sharereactor.com , where linking to illegal files is deemed legal becuase the site itself contains no no illegal files and the links are purely indirect in nature. There is much circumvention occuring in this instance, but in this instance they appear to have circumvented the rules concerning circumvention too. I'm not sure mentioning the name of a site can be said to be circumvention, I think possibly its pushing the point a little too far, but I don't know too much about German law I suppose, so maybe asking for some legal advice might be helpful. There are several free EU based legal services you could try. Just Google for them to find out. Or if you can't find anything try this: http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/asknoquestions.htm It should help clear things up for you once and for all. Q - Original Message - From: Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [Freevo-users] audio.cdbackup I don't think we should migrate. We could just keep like it is now and I can put the binaries in Brazil, then we find a way to inform it. I mean, we could link to a dir like: somesite.com/freevo/USA/ and in the same site we could have a somesite.com/freevo/NONUSA/ with the illegal (in the USA) binaries. Debian does that, didn't they? Also, we should check if it's true that if you link to a site that provides or links to another one that provides the illegal binary you'll be sued... for what I know, they must advise you about a referenced site being illegal before any action could be taken. USA (unfortunately) have some power (and money) to corrupt all the world, Brazil is not an exception... However I can host the projet in a University, so to someone start boring us they will need to ask the Federals and then the University Major... that takes time... Gustavo ___ Conheça o novo Cadê? - Mais rápido, mais fácil e mais preciso. Toda a web, 42 milhões de páginas brasileiras e nova busca por imagens! http://www.cade.com.br --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
[Freevo-users] Re: tv_grab_uk no longer working?
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:43:57 -0400, Aubin Paul wrote: XMLTV is at 0.5.15, you may want to try upgrading it. Same problem with 0.5.15 Paul --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 ___ Freevo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
