Re: [Freevo-users] Perfect motherboard for Freevo (was Re: Freevo box over Compact Flash.)
Yah, USB only. Ols pS2 models had mcmcia and I've been following a thread on the gentoo forums about someone trying to gets the ps2 MIPS chip supported in linux kernel.. But.. It's not looking good & the PS2 won't do hidef.. M On 12/5/06, John Molohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jason Tackaberry wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 12:32 +, John Molohan wrote: > > > >> signal for you in one cable. So the PS3 might be a good candidate for a > >> next gen platform for freevo v2. It's got hdmi and apparently you'll be > >> able to install linux on it. At €640 this doesn't look like a bad option > >> given you're getting at gaming console too but it remains to be seen how > >> well it works in real life. > >> > > > > I might agree, but what about tv capture? > I guess it'd have to be USB based so that is a drawback alright, I've no > experience with USB capture cards. > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > Freevo-users mailing list > Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users > - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Perfect motherboard for Freevo (was Re: Freevo box over Compact Flash.)
Jason Tackaberry wrote: > On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 12:32 +, John Molohan wrote: > >> signal for you in one cable. So the PS3 might be a good candidate for a >> next gen platform for freevo v2. It's got hdmi and apparently you'll be >> able to install linux on it. At €640 this doesn't look like a bad option >> given you're getting at gaming console too but it remains to be seen how >> well it works in real life. >> > > I might agree, but what about tv capture? I guess it'd have to be USB based so that is a drawback alright, I've no experience with USB capture cards. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Perfect motherboard for Freevo (was Re: Freevo box over Compact Flash.)
On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 12:32 +, John Molohan wrote: > signal for you in one cable. So the PS3 might be a good candidate for a > next gen platform for freevo v2. It's got hdmi and apparently you'll be > able to install linux on it. At €640 this doesn't look like a bad option > given you're getting at gaming console too but it remains to be seen how > well it works in real life. I might agree, but what about tv capture? - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Perfect motherboard for Freevo (was Re: Freevo box over Compact Flash.)
On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:30:20 +0800 "mike lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Apparantly there are two types of spidf. One inside the PC runs on 5v > whereas the one outside the PC aka between amps etc runs at much lower > voltage. You "should" use converters when plugging between that > inside spidf and like a coaxial digital input on a amp. Apologies for the brainfart - I actually knew this, but somehow it didn't come to mind at the moment. fwiw, the biostar board i referenced was used with a digital-out dongle that had both coax and optical in a molded connector. But yes, spdif is 0.5v, and the motherboard is probably transmitting at TTL levels, closer to 5v. You should stick a hex inverter between the motherboard header and the coax port. For best results, you'd also want to isolate the computer's ground rail from the signal ground with a good pulse transformer. This will prevent the s/pdif link from creating a ground loop between the computer's earth-ground and the receiver's signal-ground, if it turns out that the s/pdif input on the receiver is not isolated itself. This is basically the reason why home a/v gear isn't grounded - that's the easiest way to avoid a nasty ground loop that might insert a 120hz overlay into every signal. Hobbyists can pull good pulse transformers off of old ethernet cards. From an audio perspective, the only advantage of the optical connection is that it's really, really easy. Optical heads with integrated-everything are available for a few bucks from mouser, digikey, etc. Anyhow. Good info here: http://www.epanorama.net/documents/audio/spdif.html http://www.andrewkilpatrick.org/mind/spdif/ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Perfect motherboard for Freevo (was Re: Freevo box over Compact Flash.)
On 11/30/06, Eric Jorgensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:09:47 +0800 > "mike lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Ideally, you *have* to have spidf or optical out for sound as well. > > All decent amp's have spidf or optical sound inputs. This also > > reduces the need for wiring and makes wiring longer distances *heaps* > > easier. > > > > The Asus board bellow is the only one of the two have that.. > > >For whatever reason it's not mentioned on the msicomputer.com site, > but on the msi.com.tw site, the specs say it has an spdif header on the > board. > >Usually an spdif-out header is 3 pins - one signal, one ground, one > +5v. You can hook up an RCA connector directly to the signal and ground. > If you want optical, the +5v is to power the optical head. > >Might be good to contact MSI and ask them whether or not it's really > there on the current version of the board before jumping, in any case. > >fwiw, I used to have a biostar board that had a completely > undocumented spdif header, which worked just fine. > Apparantly there are two types of spidf. One inside the PC runs on 5v whereas the one outside the PC aka between amps etc runs at much lower voltage. You "should" use converters when plugging between that inside spidf and like a coaxial digital input on a amp. But I agree with the comments about the ps3. I pre-ordered mine in australie before they pushed the date back.. Hopefully I will be one the first people in perth to try the ps3 as a freevo box yay!! M > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > Freevo-users mailing list > Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users > - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Perfect motherboard for Freevo (was Re: Freevo box over Compact Flash.)
On Thursday 30 November 2006 03:34, Eric Jorgensen wrote: > On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:19:59 +1100 > > Elizabeth Dodd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Asus is a recurrent offender with GPL licence issues - convicted once > > and under investigation for at least two more. > >Wasn't aware. What did they do? http://gpl-violations.org/news/20040325-iptables.html Sold wireless router with LInuxOS and netfilter/iptables and no source code. Subsequently forced to pay gpl-violations.org costs. Sold Spresso with LInux software and no source code and won't supply on request. I reported them to gpl-violations.org and was told that this matter would be added onto another matter they are 'discussing' with ASUS. -- Power Mist: The tendency of hierarchies in office environments to be diffuse and preclude crisp articulation. -- Douglas Coupland, "Generation X: Tales for an Accelerated Culture" - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Perfect motherboard for Freevo (was Re: Freevo box over Compact Flash.)
There is a newer msi board as well - MSI K9NBPM2-FID Seems to have all the same features + newer GPU. A little cheaper, at newegg at least ($77). - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Perfect motherboard for Freevo (was Re: Freevo box over Compact Flash.)
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:19:59 +1100 Elizabeth Dodd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Asus is a recurrent offender with GPL licence issues - convicted once > and under investigation for at least two more. Wasn't aware. What did they do? I know Gigabyte never did release the source for their ext2-with-gz-compression driver from "gentus linux". Not that it was at all reliable, from what i hear. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Perfect motherboard for Freevo (was Re: Freevo box over Compact Flash.)
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:09:47 +0800 "mike lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ideally, you *have* to have spidf or optical out for sound as well. > All decent amp's have spidf or optical sound inputs. This also > reduces the need for wiring and makes wiring longer distances *heaps* > easier. > > The Asus board bellow is the only one of the two have that.. For whatever reason it's not mentioned on the msicomputer.com site, but on the msi.com.tw site, the specs say it has an spdif header on the board. Usually an spdif-out header is 3 pins - one signal, one ground, one +5v. You can hook up an RCA connector directly to the signal and ground. If you want optical, the +5v is to power the optical head. Might be good to contact MSI and ask them whether or not it's really there on the current version of the board before jumping, in any case. fwiw, I used to have a biostar board that had a completely undocumented spdif header, which worked just fine. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Perfect motherboard for Freevo (was Re: Freevo box over Compact Flash.)
just..lol On 11/29/06, John Molohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > mike lewis wrote: > > So I'd guess the next question is now what is the perfect MB for > > freevo? > > > > One would need: > > > > -capable of playing mpeg2,mp3,mpeg4 > > -low noise (this also implies low-noise/fanless CPU setup) > > -at least 2 PCI slots > > -TV-out,optionally HD-TV-out > > -good sound > > -good price > > > > Ideally, you *have* to have spidf or optical out for sound as well. > > All decent amp's have spidf or optical sound inputs. This also > > reduces the need for wiring and makes wiring longer distances *heaps* > > easier. > > > > The Asus board bellow is the only one of the two have that.. > > > > Mick > > > Well going forward what you'd really want is hdmi output. Most decent > new amps and tvs have this and it'll carry your digital video and audio > signal for you in one cable. So the PS3 might be a good candidate for a > next gen platform for freevo v2. It's got hdmi and apparently you'll be > able to install linux on it. At €640 this doesn't look like a bad option > given you're getting at gaming console too but it remains to be seen how > well it works in real life. > Asus and MSI have some good candidates - boards with onboard Geforce > 6150 w/ tv and hdtv-out. > > http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1138&l1=3&l2=101&l3=0 > > http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K9NGM2-FID&class=mb > > The asus comes with the tv-out bracket, the msi site says theirs is > 'optional'. > > the geforce6150 has enough xvmc oomph for mpeg2 ad HD resolutions. no > mpeg4 support in hardware, but that probably shouldn't be an issue. On > the other hand, I have no idea what it takes to decode h.264 at HD > resolutions - but at SD resolutions, my athlon-xp 1600 does just fine. > > both support spdif out at 44.1 and 48khz, the msi board also does 96 and > 192khz and at 20 and 24 bits. > > Asus warns that their DVI connector does not support the common dongles > that convert DVI to RGB for analog monitors, and that you cannot use the > VGA port and TV-Out ports simultaneously. This is odd, but probably not > an issue for htpc use. The MSI board probably has the same restrictions > - I'm guessing it's a chipset thing. > > athlon64 processors are as quiet as you make 'em. My 2-year-old 3500+ > runs quite cool, so it should be possible to make a very quiet, > feature-rich system with either of these boards. > > They both retail for about $90. The cheapest AM2 sempron is about $40 > and may or may not be enough for HDTV. the cheapest full athlon64 is > about $85, and is certainly enough for HDTV. The cheapest dual-core > athlon64 is about $150 and probably massive overkill. > > Other motherboard makers may have similar boards. Looks like good > hardware to me. > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > Freevo-users mailing list > Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users > > > >>> - > >>> Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > >>> Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > >>> your > >>> opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > >>> http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > >>> ___ > >>> Freevo-users mailing list > >>> Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users > >>> > >> -- > >> Paul Sijben mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Amersfoort http://www.sijben.net > >> > >> - > >> Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > >> Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > >> your > >> opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > >> http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > >> ___ > >> Freevo-users mailing list > >> Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users > >> > >> > > > > - > > Take Surveys. Earn Ca
Re: [Freevo-users] Perfect motherboard for Freevo (was Re: Freevo box over Compact Flash.)
mike lewis wrote: > So I'd guess the next question is now what is the perfect MB for > freevo? > > One would need: > > -capable of playing mpeg2,mp3,mpeg4 > -low noise (this also implies low-noise/fanless CPU setup) > -at least 2 PCI slots > -TV-out,optionally HD-TV-out > -good sound > -good price > > Ideally, you *have* to have spidf or optical out for sound as well. > All decent amp's have spidf or optical sound inputs. This also > reduces the need for wiring and makes wiring longer distances *heaps* > easier. > > The Asus board bellow is the only one of the two have that.. > > Mick > Well going forward what you'd really want is hdmi output. Most decent new amps and tvs have this and it'll carry your digital video and audio signal for you in one cable. So the PS3 might be a good candidate for a next gen platform for freevo v2. It's got hdmi and apparently you'll be able to install linux on it. At €640 this doesn't look like a bad option given you're getting at gaming console too but it remains to be seen how well it works in real life. Asus and MSI have some good candidates - boards with onboard Geforce 6150 w/ tv and hdtv-out. http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1138&l1=3&l2=101&l3=0 http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K9NGM2-FID&class=mb The asus comes with the tv-out bracket, the msi site says theirs is 'optional'. the geforce6150 has enough xvmc oomph for mpeg2 ad HD resolutions. no mpeg4 support in hardware, but that probably shouldn't be an issue. On the other hand, I have no idea what it takes to decode h.264 at HD resolutions - but at SD resolutions, my athlon-xp 1600 does just fine. both support spdif out at 44.1 and 48khz, the msi board also does 96 and 192khz and at 20 and 24 bits. Asus warns that their DVI connector does not support the common dongles that convert DVI to RGB for analog monitors, and that you cannot use the VGA port and TV-Out ports simultaneously. This is odd, but probably not an issue for htpc use. The MSI board probably has the same restrictions - I'm guessing it's a chipset thing. athlon64 processors are as quiet as you make 'em. My 2-year-old 3500+ runs quite cool, so it should be possible to make a very quiet, feature-rich system with either of these boards. They both retail for about $90. The cheapest AM2 sempron is about $40 and may or may not be enough for HDTV. the cheapest full athlon64 is about $85, and is certainly enough for HDTV. The cheapest dual-core athlon64 is about $150 and probably massive overkill. Other motherboard makers may have similar boards. Looks like good hardware to me. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users >>> - >>> Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT >>> Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your >>> opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash >>> http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV >>> ___ >>> Freevo-users mailing list >>> Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users >>> >> -- >> Paul Sijben mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Amersfoort http://www.sijben.net >> >> - >> Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT >> Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your >> opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash >> http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV >> ___ >> Freevo-users mailing list >> Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users >> >> > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforg
Re: [Freevo-users] Perfect motherboard for Freevo (was Re: Freevo box over Compact Flash.)
On Wednesday 29 November 2006 14:20, Eric Jorgensen wrote: > > So I'd guess the next question is now what is the perfect MB for > > freevo? > > > > Asus and MSI have some good candidates Asus is a recurrent offender with GPL licence issues - convicted once and under investigation for at least two more. Should you support them with your money? -- The hearing ear is always found close to the speaking tongue, a custom whereof the memory of man runneth not howsomever to the contrary, nohow. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Perfect motherboard for Freevo (was Re: Freevo box over Compact Flash.)
> >>> So I'd guess the next question is now what is the perfect MB for > >>> freevo? > >>> > >>> One would need: > >>> > >>> -capable of playing mpeg2,mp3,mpeg4 > >>> -low noise (this also implies low-noise/fanless CPU setup) > >>> -at least 2 PCI slots > >>> -TV-out,optionally HD-TV-out > >>> -good sound > >>> -good price > >> Ideally, you *have* to have spidf or optical out for sound as well. All decent amp's have spidf or optical sound inputs. This also reduces the need for wiring and makes wiring longer distances *heaps* easier. The Asus board bellow is the only one of the two have that.. Mick > >> Asus and MSI have some good candidates - boards with onboard Geforce > >> 6150 w/ tv and hdtv-out. > >> > >> http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1138&l1=3&l2=101&l3=0 > >> > >> http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K9NGM2-FID&class=mb > >> > >> The asus comes with the tv-out bracket, the msi site says theirs is > >> 'optional'. > >> > >> the geforce6150 has enough xvmc oomph for mpeg2 ad HD resolutions. no > >> mpeg4 support in hardware, but that probably shouldn't be an issue. On > >> the other hand, I have no idea what it takes to decode h.264 at HD > >> resolutions - but at SD resolutions, my athlon-xp 1600 does just fine. > >> > >> both support spdif out at 44.1 and 48khz, the msi board also does 96 and > >> 192khz and at 20 and 24 bits. > >> > >> Asus warns that their DVI connector does not support the common dongles > >> that convert DVI to RGB for analog monitors, and that you cannot use the > >> VGA port and TV-Out ports simultaneously. This is odd, but probably not > >> an issue for htpc use. The MSI board probably has the same restrictions > >> - I'm guessing it's a chipset thing. > >> > >> athlon64 processors are as quiet as you make 'em. My 2-year-old 3500+ > >> runs quite cool, so it should be possible to make a very quiet, > >> feature-rich system with either of these boards. > >> > >> They both retail for about $90. The cheapest AM2 sempron is about $40 > >> and may or may not be enough for HDTV. the cheapest full athlon64 is > >> about $85, and is certainly enough for HDTV. The cheapest dual-core > >> athlon64 is about $150 and probably massive overkill. > >> > >> Other motherboard makers may have similar boards. Looks like good > >> hardware to me. > >> > >> - > >> Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > >> Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > >> your > >> opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > >> http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > >> ___ > >> Freevo-users mailing list > >> Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users > >> > > > > - > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > ___ > > Freevo-users mailing list > > Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users > > -- > Paul Sijben mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Amersfoort http://www.sijben.net > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > Freevo-users mailing list > Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users > - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Perfect motherboard for Freevo (was Re: Freevo box over Compact Flash.)
yep, sweet! Ignacio - wrote: > wow, that motheboard rocks. that was nice. > > On 11/29/06, Eric Jorgensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 08:14:16 +0100 >> Paul Sijben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> So I'd guess the next question is now what is the perfect MB for >>> freevo? >>> >>> One would need: >>> >>> -capable of playing mpeg2,mp3,mpeg4 >>> -low noise (this also implies low-noise/fanless CPU setup) >>> -at least 2 PCI slots >>> -TV-out,optionally HD-TV-out >>> -good sound >>> -good price >> >> Asus and MSI have some good candidates - boards with onboard Geforce >> 6150 w/ tv and hdtv-out. >> >> http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1138&l1=3&l2=101&l3=0 >> >> http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K9NGM2-FID&class=mb >> >> The asus comes with the tv-out bracket, the msi site says theirs is >> 'optional'. >> >> the geforce6150 has enough xvmc oomph for mpeg2 ad HD resolutions. no >> mpeg4 support in hardware, but that probably shouldn't be an issue. On >> the other hand, I have no idea what it takes to decode h.264 at HD >> resolutions - but at SD resolutions, my athlon-xp 1600 does just fine. >> >> both support spdif out at 44.1 and 48khz, the msi board also does 96 and >> 192khz and at 20 and 24 bits. >> >> Asus warns that their DVI connector does not support the common dongles >> that convert DVI to RGB for analog monitors, and that you cannot use the >> VGA port and TV-Out ports simultaneously. This is odd, but probably not >> an issue for htpc use. The MSI board probably has the same restrictions >> - I'm guessing it's a chipset thing. >> >> athlon64 processors are as quiet as you make 'em. My 2-year-old 3500+ >> runs quite cool, so it should be possible to make a very quiet, >> feature-rich system with either of these boards. >> >> They both retail for about $90. The cheapest AM2 sempron is about $40 >> and may or may not be enough for HDTV. the cheapest full athlon64 is >> about $85, and is certainly enough for HDTV. The cheapest dual-core >> athlon64 is about $150 and probably massive overkill. >> >> Other motherboard makers may have similar boards. Looks like good >> hardware to me. >> >> - >> Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT >> Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your >> opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash >> http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV >> ___ >> Freevo-users mailing list >> Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users >> > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > Freevo-users mailing list > Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users -- Paul Sijben mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Amersfoort http://www.sijben.net - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Perfect motherboard for Freevo (was Re: Freevo box over Compact Flash.)
wow, that motheboard rocks. that was nice. On 11/29/06, Eric Jorgensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 08:14:16 +0100 > Paul Sijben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > So I'd guess the next question is now what is the perfect MB for > > freevo? > > > > One would need: > > > > -capable of playing mpeg2,mp3,mpeg4 > > -low noise (this also implies low-noise/fanless CPU setup) > > -at least 2 PCI slots > > -TV-out,optionally HD-TV-out > > -good sound > > -good price > > > Asus and MSI have some good candidates - boards with onboard Geforce > 6150 w/ tv and hdtv-out. > > http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1138&l1=3&l2=101&l3=0 > > http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K9NGM2-FID&class=mb > > The asus comes with the tv-out bracket, the msi site says theirs is > 'optional'. > > the geforce6150 has enough xvmc oomph for mpeg2 ad HD resolutions. no > mpeg4 support in hardware, but that probably shouldn't be an issue. On > the other hand, I have no idea what it takes to decode h.264 at HD > resolutions - but at SD resolutions, my athlon-xp 1600 does just fine. > > both support spdif out at 44.1 and 48khz, the msi board also does 96 and > 192khz and at 20 and 24 bits. > > Asus warns that their DVI connector does not support the common dongles > that convert DVI to RGB for analog monitors, and that you cannot use the > VGA port and TV-Out ports simultaneously. This is odd, but probably not > an issue for htpc use. The MSI board probably has the same restrictions > - I'm guessing it's a chipset thing. > > athlon64 processors are as quiet as you make 'em. My 2-year-old 3500+ > runs quite cool, so it should be possible to make a very quiet, > feature-rich system with either of these boards. > > They both retail for about $90. The cheapest AM2 sempron is about $40 > and may or may not be enough for HDTV. the cheapest full athlon64 is > about $85, and is certainly enough for HDTV. The cheapest dual-core > athlon64 is about $150 and probably massive overkill. > > Other motherboard makers may have similar boards. Looks like good > hardware to me. > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > Freevo-users mailing list > Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users > - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Perfect motherboard for Freevo (was Re: Freevo box over Compact Flash.)
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 08:14:16 +0100 Paul Sijben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So I'd guess the next question is now what is the perfect MB for > freevo? > > One would need: > > -capable of playing mpeg2,mp3,mpeg4 > -low noise (this also implies low-noise/fanless CPU setup) > -at least 2 PCI slots > -TV-out,optionally HD-TV-out > -good sound > -good price Asus and MSI have some good candidates - boards with onboard Geforce 6150 w/ tv and hdtv-out. http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1138&l1=3&l2=101&l3=0 http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K9NGM2-FID&class=mb The asus comes with the tv-out bracket, the msi site says theirs is 'optional'. the geforce6150 has enough xvmc oomph for mpeg2 ad HD resolutions. no mpeg4 support in hardware, but that probably shouldn't be an issue. On the other hand, I have no idea what it takes to decode h.264 at HD resolutions - but at SD resolutions, my athlon-xp 1600 does just fine. both support spdif out at 44.1 and 48khz, the msi board also does 96 and 192khz and at 20 and 24 bits. Asus warns that their DVI connector does not support the common dongles that convert DVI to RGB for analog monitors, and that you cannot use the VGA port and TV-Out ports simultaneously. This is odd, but probably not an issue for htpc use. The MSI board probably has the same restrictions - I'm guessing it's a chipset thing. athlon64 processors are as quiet as you make 'em. My 2-year-old 3500+ runs quite cool, so it should be possible to make a very quiet, feature-rich system with either of these boards. They both retail for about $90. The cheapest AM2 sempron is about $40 and may or may not be enough for HDTV. the cheapest full athlon64 is about $85, and is certainly enough for HDTV. The cheapest dual-core athlon64 is about $150 and probably massive overkill. Other motherboard makers may have similar boards. Looks like good hardware to me. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Perfect motherboard for Freevo (was Re: Freevo box over Compact Flash.)
> 1) from a review: To be in the vicinity of the ASUS Pundit P1-AH1 when it's > working under high loads is not a pleasant experience, and it's not > something that you wish to do for a long time. > (http://www.nordichardware.com/Reviews/?page=1&skrivelse=486) It's actually not too bad and there's always ways to slow the fan down. I'm currently twiddling with the BIOS settings to try to make the fan slower. And I'm trying to get info from ASUS to add support for hwmon... > 2) where to I put my LCD display? External via USB? > I think the HD will be far enough from the capture card but this needs to > be tested (found that those ultra compact mini-itx cases that put the HD > practically on top of the PCI extension space give too much interference) The only issue I've run into so far is with the PCI slots. My PVR-150MCE didn't fit, it was too tall. I had to shave 2mm off to make it fit :-) ... juerg > Paul > > Juerg Haefliger wrote: > Check out the ASUS Pundit P1-AH1 and PH1 barebones. They come with > lots of ports on the back :-) > > ...juerg > > > On 11/20/06, John Molohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > The truth is, after 2 years of working with them in large-scale > commercial deployments, I'm frankly sick of the things. I've long since > gotten over the "Ooh! Tiny!" aspect and come to realize that things that > sit in my AV rack should be roughly AV component shaped, and i can do > that with a full size ATX motherboard. > > > Agreed. My AV-type case is also largely empty. However I am using the > parallel port for the LCD and a serial port for the IR receiver. It is > awfully useful that these are internal. > > So I'd guess the next question is now what is the perfect MB for freevo? > > One would need: > > -capable of playing mpeg2,mp3,mpeg4 > -low noise (this also implies low-noise/fanless CPU setup) > -at least 2 PCI slots > -TV-out,optionally HD-TV-out > -good sound > -good price > > Which MB fits the bill? > > Paul > > > The ABIT IL-90MV looks an interesting choice. m-ATX, dual core (479 pin > for low noise), ATA & SATA with RAID, HDMI, SPDIF in & out, 2 USB2 & 1 > firewire, 2 x PCI & 1 x PCI express. No SD TV out and 3D performance > wouldn't be great but at the price this looks a bargain. Are there any > other boards like this or barebone systems with HDMI (I've just got a > 32" with HDMI - hence the interest :) ) > > John > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > Freevo-users mailing list > Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users > > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > Freevo-users mailing list > Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users > > > -- > Paul Sijben mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Amersfoort, NL http://www.sijben.net > tel:+31 334557522 fax:+31 33 4557523 > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > ___ > Freevo-users mailing list > Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users > > > - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Perfect motherboard for Freevo (was Re: Freevo box over Compact Flash.)
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:22:07 +0100 Jaap Struyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Op za 18-11-2006, om 18:06 schreef Eric Jorgensen: > > > I'm using an Asus A7V-880 with an athlon xp mobile > > In the case of AMD cpu's there are some *cool (vcool, fvcool) tools > around that will force the cpu in sleep mode and fire it up if needed. > I use it on my old athlon 1333 cpu with an Zahlmann cooler with big > very slow turning fan. > case temp is around 30 celcius and I can't hear it over 1m. distance. hmm, not familiar with that one. I'll have to give it a look some day. Maybe next summer. I have got the powernow-k7 code working, but it's kinda unnecessary. Like i said several posts back, I have a swiftech mcx462-v heatsink on top of a mobile 1600. The heatsink weighs over 23 ounces - if i clock down to 1ghz i can run it fanless. But i can't hear the sanyo-denki fan, so i run it at 1.4ghz. I admit i went to extreme measures, but i kinda like how it turned out. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Perfect motherboard for Freevo (was Re: Freevo box over Compact Flash.)
Op za 18-11-2006, om 18:06 schreef Eric Jorgensen: > I'm using an Asus A7V-880 with an athlon xp mobile In the case of AMD cpu's there are some *cool (vcool, fvcool) tools around that will force the cpu in sleep mode and fire it up if needed. I use it on my old athlon 1333 cpu with an Zahlmann cooler with big very slow turning fan. case temp is around 30 celcius and I can't hear it over 1m. distance. -- Groetjes Japie - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Perfect motherboard for Freevo (was Re: Freevo box over Compact Flash.)
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 08:14:16 +0100 Paul Sijben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -capable of playing mpeg2,mp3,mpeg4 > -low noise (this also implies low-noise/fanless CPU setup) > -at least 2 PCI slots > -TV-out,optionally HD-TV-out > -good sound > -good price > > Which MB fits the bill? Unfortunately, if you want it to be fully integrated, that gets tricky. The microatx board i was referring to is the Biostar GeForce 6100-M7. The audio codec is the exact same VIA chip as you get on an EPIA, so it doesn't meet my own requirements there. The integrated video is VGA only. If you have an HD display, it might have a VGA input. If you need TV-out, it isn't there. It's surprisingly hard to find a non-EPIA motherboard with tv-out. I'm using an Asus A7V-880 with an athlon xp mobile, matrox g400, and quiet fans and drives. a little later today I'm receiving a (free) shuttle m2000 settop, but i have no idea how ideal it is for linux. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
