Re: [FRIAM] bursting the placebo bubble
Unrelated to the main topic here, but all the talk of DNR et al reminded me of this article earlier this week - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22154552 . Hmmm. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:38 PM, glen g...@ropella.name wrote: Douglas Roberts wrote at 04/25/2013 09:44 AM: A better question might be: why are we still teaching them these dishonest little fairy tales in the first place, which we then have to un-teach later? I admit that's a more philosophical question, but not a better one. It's not clear how answering that question will help address the applied complexity problem of handling the mature organism, where these beliefs are deeply rooted and may well affect their physiology in some way. Harris' questions get to the root of the applied complexity problem. Do you tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth to a dying old person? If so, is that medically beneficial or detrimental? -- == glen e. p. ropella Man alive the jive and lyrics, FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] bursting the placebo bubble
'Realistic portrayals of CPR' such as this one by the British Heart Foundation?!?! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILxjxfB4zNk *sigh* stomps off into the sunset On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:34 PM, glen g...@ropella.name wrote: siddharth wrote at 04/25/2013 10:16 AM: Unrelated to the main topic here, but all the talk of DNR et al reminded me of this article earlier this week - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22154552 . Hmmm. Thanks. That's definitely relevant. But the trouble with that article (and most, actually) is the purely positive results reported. Here's one that _seems_ more objective. A practical first step might be to push for more realistic portrayals of CPR in the media. CPR: Less Effective Than You Might Think http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/35320/35323/372221.html?d=dmtHMSContent As opposed to many medical myths, researchers have reliable data concerning the success rates of CPR (without the use of automatic defibrillators) in a variety of settings: 2% to 30% effectiveness when administered outside of the hospital 6% to 15% for hospitalized patients Less than 5% for elderly victims with multiple medical problems In June 1996, the New England Journal of Medicine published a study about the success rates of CPR as shown on the television medical shows ER, Chicago Hope and Rescue 911. According to the shows, CPR successfully revived the victim 75% of the time, more than double the most conservative real-life estimates. A more recent study published in 2009 suggested that the immediate success rate of CPR on television may be more realistic; however, discharge from the hospital and longer-term survival were rarely mentioned in TV dramas. In addition, while most CPR is actually performed on sick, older individuals with cardiac disease, most victims in television dramas are young and required CPR following trauma or a near-drowning — conditions with the highest success rates. Finally, patients on TV shows usually die or fully recovered. In real life, many of those who are revived by CPR wind up severely debilitated. One reason may be that, as noted by a study published in the January 2005 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association, CPR is frequently not administered adequately, even when provided by trained ambulance personnel. Improved technique (including more frequent and rapid compressions, as recommended in the new guidelines) and use of automatic defibrillators could dramatically improve success rates. The low success rate of CPR may be an example of how a medical myth is perpetuated by the media because it is more appealing than the truth. Unfortunately, sugar-coating the concept of CPR leads to unrealistic expectations when a loved one requires CPR or is ill, and heroic measures are under consideration. A better understanding of when CPR may be effective and when it is highly unlikely to help will better serve everyone in the unfortunate event of catastrophic illness or injury. If you learn to administer CPR, you may save someone's life, so learning the proper technique is worth the effort. However, you should not expect the results you see on television. -- == glen e. p. ropella And I'm never gonna tell you why FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] cloud backup recomendations wanted
Or even Skydrive? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkyDrive On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:40 AM, glen e. p. ropella g...@tempusdictum.comwrote: If you haven't already considered it, SparkleShare might be interesting to you: http://sparkleshare.org/ Gillian Densmore wrote at 02/20/2013 03:54 PM: While investigating cloud back up I ran across a outfit called cloudswave (cloudswave http://www.cloudswave.com)-who pointed me to there service called box+ I've only done a bit of poking and proding it looks like the use quite a bit of the google ecology where it gets interesting though is they offer either a terabyte of storage for just under 20 a month. Compared to googles 45 for the same amount of space I have no idea how they can afford that. They also claim they have some sort of app that can work with a desktop app for colaberation- One pro for google is brand name recognition I was in a meeting today and the lady I asked the lady I was talking to if she'd accept a link pointing to google drive she delitedly said oh sure. I'm not sure i'd get the same instant: aha that's a known work safe place reaction from google competitors. (even if they are cheeper) -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-255-2847, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] re alternative medicine
Perhaps this is of some use - http://avaxhome.ws/ebooks/Using_Alternative_Therapies_JaLow.html *Using Alternative Therapies: A Qualitative Analysis by Jacqueline Low (Repost)* Publisher: Canadian Scholars Press (May 1, 2004) | ISBN: 1551302640 | Pages: 200 | PDF | 1.78 MB This book provides a distinctive sociological inquiry into the perspectives and social issues surrounding the use of alternative therapies. Dr. Low presents the experiences of twenty-one Canadians who use alternative approaches to health care. Her study foregrounds the lay perspective by using a symbolic interactionist approach, which emphasises individuals' own understanding of reality as a basis for their actions. Dr. Low analyses how and why the participants in the study came to use alternative therapies; the ideologies informing the models of health and healing they espouse; the impact these beliefs have on them, and the implications of their experiences for Canadian health care policy. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:08 AM, glen g...@ropella.name wrote: Are there any sources for data that you recommend? Keep in mind that I'm used to biological data. I don't think my mind is closed to other types of data. But I would expect something like blind experiments and statistically significant populations. Etc. Feel free to tell me to RTFM. 8^) I just figured you might be able to suggest a few sources off the top of your head. peggy miller wrote at 04/25/2012 09:26 AM: Speaking in defense of some alternatives, and as a Chinese/Ayurvedic Medicinal Herbalist, I so far in my practice am finding it to be highly useful as a medical alternative for everything from congestion to insomnia, tremors, memory loss, bowel problems, diabetic problems, fatigue, arthritis, nerve issues. I have yet to have a client with seizures, but it is supposed to help many cases of that nature. The research and validation on both Chinese and Ayurvedic Medicine goes back millenium, with many cases. But I, being somewhat skeptical, continue to be surprised by how useful it is as I practice it with clients. I urge you all to try a local Chinese/Ayurvedic Medicinal Herbalist. You may find it surprising. Peggy M. -- glen ==**== FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Delicious Alternative
So does Firefox - see Synchttp://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/what-firefox-sync On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Russ Abbott russ.abb...@gmail.com wrote: Chrome lets you synchronize browser-based bookmarks across computers. *-- Russ Abbott* *_* *** Professor, Computer Science* * California State University, Los Angeles* * Google voice: 747-*999-5105 Google+: https://plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/ * vita: *http://sites.google.com/site/russabbott/ *_* On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Thanks Owen. Since I use only firefox and only one computer, I can see why I have never felt the need.. ** ** Whew! ** ** Nick ** ** *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Owen Densmore *Sent:* Saturday, October 08, 2011 9:56 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Delicious Alternative ** ** I'm using pinboard, and just added the archive feature that keeps a copy of your bookmarked pages. ** ** Nick: this lets you search your bookmarks, sorta like your own personal google on the pages you've shown interest in the past. Also: the browsers have plugins which make it easy to add a widget that quickly add the current page you are looking at to your cloud bookmarks. And if you've selected any data on that page, it becomes a note, also for searching.* *** On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Jochen Fromm j...@cas-group.net wrote:* *** In a browser you can store only a small number of bookmarks, and only on one computer. As Joshua said, if you use multiple computers or multiple browsers then a social bookmark services is useful. Social bookmark services are available from any computer, and offer functionalities like tagging. Tags are useful to find bookmarks and to create taxonomies or folksonomies. You can also see what other people in your network have bookmarked. So how many of you use pinboard, and how many use diigo? Hands up, please :-) -J. - Original Message - From: Nicholas Thompson To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Delicious Alternative Robert, and others, Another one of those naïve questions that drive you guys nuts: Why would I want a book marking service beyond what is provided by my browser? [firefox] Not a rhetorical question. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ** ** FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Terrorosity and it's Fruits
epilogue : http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/noam_chomsky_my_reaction_to_os/ (- no fake quotes here!) On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Vladimyr Burachynsky vbur...@shaw.cawrote: I urge the angry to ask why. Too often storming away from a table is exactly why we never break ground. As to the topic of Complexity , this is one component you never inquired of, Why do sensible people become IDIOTS. How does society create idiots out of men? That was my reason to join long ago. The fact that IDIOTS are convinced that they are correct Fascinates me. How can any of us trust the words coming out of our mouths, if we were to discover we have been blindly lead by a Narrative into a cul de sac of Idiocy. The story of binLaden was writen long ago Tolstoy. The short story, Hadji Murat, describes much of the same atmosphere. The killing was easy , the understanding is difficult. It takes no great skill to kill, any brute can do it, it is a much greater challenge to keep something alive. How do we model stupifaction of real people? Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky PhD vbur...@shaw.ca 120-1053 Beaverhill Blvd. Winnipeg,Manitoba, R2J3R2 Canada (204) 2548321 Land (204) 8016064 Cell *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Douglas Roberts *Sent:* May-06-11 7:37 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Terrorosity and it's Fruits Salaam Mohammed, Speaking as an American, I'm afraid that I can assert with a fair degree of accuracy that percentage-wise, very few Americans are aware of the historical/current events vis-a-vis US interactions with mid-eastern political entities that you so accurately denote below. For reasons that I fail to comprehend, we have truly become a nation of idiots. Nearly as discouraging, if I may suggest, is the clear emergence of multiple nations of Islamic idiots which seem to comprise the majority of mid eastern countries these days. Perhaps the real issue here is that we are a planet of idiots. Several evolutions later the answer to all of this become apparent, I'm sure, if biological life is still possible on this planet then. Best, --Doug On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Mohammed El-Beltagy moham...@computer.org wrote: Thanks Steve and Peggy, you give me more praise than I deserve. I naturally see terrorism as abhorrent and I regret that Russel read my few lines as an attempt to be an apologists for those who attack the US and Israel. I am against any form of violence being exercised against any human being, and that also happens to includes Palestinians, Iraqis, and Afghans. I just wonder how many Americans aware of the following: 1. The US supported and trained Bin Laden and a host of other groups with unsavory ideologies during the cold war. 2. The US supported and continues to support dictators in the middle east. They have been propping up Mubark for 30 years. 3. Official civilian deaths in Iraq are now in excess of 100K. Many Iraqi refuges in Cairo tell me that life was MUCH better under Saddam!!! 4. The US actively supports Saudi Arabia and does not seem to mind their proselytizing Wahhabism in the middle east and South East Asia. That ideology justifies and absolute rule of the Saudi Royal family hence cheep oil.. but also the side effect of terrorism. I agree with Peggy that it would be wrong to lay the blame fully on any one country (I would also add religion,and race). But, to say that it is down to some group of human beings who are simply evil and hateful is equally mindless. They US played a significant part in this monster creation. To my mind, the processes of monster creation is still active. That worries me. That must stop. Cheers, Mohammed On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: Mohammed - I want to second Peggy's thanks for your thoughts and would like to add the following to hers: I agree with Peggy on most points. Terrorism is always horrific (it is designed to be so) and we should seek to avoid provoking it and prevent it's occurrence and mitigate it's effects as best we can. The apprehension (by death) of Osama bin Laden was perhaps a neccesary act but as your poem (and Peggy's response) suggests, we should use this moment to reflect on our own part in having created the monster we finally destroyed, and in how we are surely continuing to create the conditions that lead to all this in the first place. Where I might diverge from Peggy's description is in the implication that we are becoming more predatory. I do believe that in our greed and fear we continue to develop more *leverage* for ourselves, economic, military, even popular culture. And thereby we become more *capable predators* than ever. But I think the fundamental problem is that we have always been
Re: [FRIAM] off topic....., but still
apparently this isn't even by MLK in the first place. http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/05/out-of-osamas-death-a-fake-quotation-is-born/238220/ !!! On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. ~ Martin Luther King Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] (advice needed!)
*Vladimir* - (lurking does perhaps help in today's date, atleast only for those not located in the proximity of such location-specific lists? and ofcourse, its also a default position when your interests cut across numerous domains- and hence lists!) you're right about the language issue - even a basic word in the complexity debate- eg. 'modeling'- is interpreted/understood slightly differently in architecture..its easier when they mean things totally different, like your example- its really tricky when they mean things almost the same, yet not - these micro-shifts in meaning make things, well, complex-er! thanks! *All* - still waiting for some advice, if there exists some magical place that allows non-traditional paths to learning/immersing into studies of complexity, and then feeding that back into other disciplines...via a Masters/PhD...(after all the claims of complexity being inherently trans/multi-disciplinary, its a bit disheartening to know the doors arent totally open to alternate backgrounds...!) (hm, Owen- perhaps that could be my first wish! a Friam resource page for courses/labs/schools, and a list of interdisciplinary global 'research projects' for those interested, from the list, to collaborate/participate - the many pathways to complexity...!) oh wait, that's 2 wishes.. :-) cheers, siddharth FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Manhattan's Population
Mike Batty at UCL studies this in depth.. http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2tid=10627 You should also look at MIT Sensable's city visualizations http://senseable.mit.edu/realtimerome/ [s] On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Jochen Fromm jfr...@t-online.de wrote: This illustration of Manhattan's population reminds me of an MRI scan. What do you think, can we draw any connection between cities and complex adaptive systems in general? They consume resources and produce waste, grow and pulsate rhythmically, just like a living organism.. http://gizmodo.com/5336615/manhattan-population-by-day-manhattan-by-night -J. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] 3D Modeling Software
Rhino is pretty standard nowadays - http://www.rhino3d.com / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhinoceros_3D Stable, powerful, versatile, some great plug-ins...(nope, not an ad!) Worth a shot.. It used to be free intially, you could still download the Evaluation version and muck around... (What 3D-modeling needs are you specifically looking at?) On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: I'm looking at 3D modeling software, and would like help deciding on which system to use. A few requirements: - Not too expensive .. $150 fine, but certainly not the pro tools at $1000+ - Has a book or two at least that make it easy to learn - Can import/export standard files so can be used with other programs. - Reasonable feature set: easy to create meshes, texture maps, rendering (Animation/Game Engine not required .. export/import can help there) - Run on both Mac/Windows As usual, wikipedia has some pointers to jog your memory if need be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_computer_graphics_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_3D_computer_graphics_software Are any of you experienced with a 3D modeling system that you could give a brief review of? -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
[FRIAM] Fwd: EmergeNET3: Emergence and Networks (Call for papers)
- since we're on *that* topic = CALL FOR PAPERS == EmergeNET3: Emergence and Networks A Satellite Meeting of the European Conference on Complex Systems http://www.emergenet.org Thursday 24 September 2009 at the University of Warwick, UK EmergeNET is a network project bringing together researchers working in complex systems and emergence, and is funded by Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council (EPSRC), UK = EmergeNET is a network project funded by EPSRC with the primary aim of developing our understanding of complex systems, emergence and related concepts by bringing together researchers from the sciences, social sciences and beyond. EmergeNET3 is one of a series of themed workshops that aim to develop our understanding of emergence from a range of perspectives and to explore the relationship between emergence and other key ideas in complex systems science. Networks are a core concept in complex systems research, and this workshop will explore both their role in providing structure for understanding emergence, and the emergence of networks themselves. == IMPORTANT DATES == - 15 August 2009: Submission of abstracts for presentations and posters - 29 August 2009: Notification for all submission categories NB: Submissions may be accepted after these dates, but this will be at the discretion of the organisers. - 24 September 2009: EmergeNET3 Meeting == TOPICS OF INTEREST == EmergeNET invites contributions on all topics relating to complex systems, emergence and networks. Topics of special interest to the workshop include, but are not limited to: - Definitions of emergence and complexity - The emergence of network structure - The role of networks in emergence - Emergence and networks in real world contexts == INVITED SPEAKERS == - Professor Jim Crutchfield, University of California - Dr Yves Demazeau, University of Grenoble - Professor Alan Winfield, Bristol Robotics Lab - Dr Yasmin Merali, Warwick Business School == SUBMISSION FORMATS == - Presentations: 20-minute sessions (presentation+questions/comments) - Posters: For work-in-progress, late-breaking results or work best presented via conversation Abstracts should be sent to r.ma...@educ.gla.ac.uk by 15 August 2009. (Full papers are not required.) Submissions may be accepted after these dates, but this will be at the discretion of the organisers. == BURSARIES == A number of bursaries are available to cover registration, travel and accommodation with preference given to early career researchers and those without other sources of funding. See http://www.emergenet.org for further information. == WORKSHOP COMMITTEE == The EmergeNET Team consists of: - Professor Lee Cronin, University of Glasgow - Dr Rebecca Mancy, University of Glasgow - Dr Cristina Cerulli, University of Sheffield - Dr Yasmin Merali, University of Warwick -- Dr Rebecca Mancy BSc (Hons), PhD (Glasgow) Lecturer in Science and Mathematics Education Programme Leader, MSc/PGDip/PGCert in Inter-Professional Science Education and Communication (IPSEC) http://www.gla.ac.uk/ipsec Direct line: +44 (0) 141 330 8138 Interdisciplinary Centre for Research and Teaching in STEM Education Faculty of Education University of Glasgow 11 Eldon Street Glasgow G3 6NH rebecca.ma...@educ.gla.ac.uk http://www.gla.ac.uk/faculties/education/staff/rebeccalmancy/ The University of Glasgow Charity Number: SC004401 -- http://www.iscpif.fr/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] complexity science map...
Mikhail's link reminds me of http://www.visualcomplexity.com/vc/project_details.cfm?id=273index=273domain= the IIGSS project-in-progress since 2001 or so, i believe.. (PDF on www.iigss.net/gPICT.pdf ) - Siddharth the usual lurker, up on www.emergentX.net in India ; waiting to someday attend a friam meet! On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Dear all, I have been trying off and on for the last year to assemble a definitive glossary of complexity terms along with definitions that would make sense to any English major. I am having a harder time than one might expect finding the locus classicus of complexity talk. For those of you who don't read beyond the first screen of an email message, I am looking for sources, preferably available on line, that will help me explain the meanings of the words used in complexity talk. OK. Now for the rest of you: When I started, I thought it was just because I didn't know enough physics, or thermodynamics, or mathematics, but each time I look into one of these areas I find that word usages and meanings in complexity talk don't really line up. For instance, constraint in physics-talk is just a force acting perpendicularly to the motion of the thing we are talking about, hence a force doing no work. In at least one version of complexity talk, a constraint is that which transforms energy into work. One candidate for a source of the meanings of complexity-words was Alicia Juarrero's. She relates constraints to information theory but also defines them as relational properties that parts acquire in virtue of being unified -- not just aggregated --into systematic wholes. Here's another example: in thermodynamics, the system is just the thing you happen to be talking about. In Juarrero the system is the set of elements and relations among elements such that the properties of the elements depend on the state of the system in which they are located. I like her definition better, but the point is that in fact they are different with very different implications. Where can I go to find stable language? Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
