Re: [FRIAM] Don’t harm municipalities for regulating oil costs - The Santa Fe New Mexican: My View
This is *so* counter to american values .. if there are any left! Can people just drop by and say .. Excuse me, I'm going to put a mine in your front yard!??? -- Owen On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Pamela McCorduck pam...@well.com wrote: Frank remembers Pennsylvania law correctly—but we had a very good lawyer when we bought our Pittsburgh house, and he simply crossed out the clause that said we didn’t own the mineral rights beneath our house, and made all parties to the transaction initial it. He was actually a civil liberties lawyer, but this tickled me much. Whether it would have held up in court when Consolidated started to mine under our house, I have no idea. Pamela On Feb 1, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Frank Wimberly wimber...@gmail.com wrote: It was worse in Pittsburgh. I owned some land down in Torrance County, NM from 1990 to 2000. The deed specified that I owned half the mineral rights, as I recall. Pittsburgh has something called the “Pittsburgh Coal Seam” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_coal_seam ) under it. You can’t buy the mineral rights for any price as I understand it. You would own a lot of coal if you could. Apparently the coal under the City won’t be mined any time soon, however. Frank Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz Santa Fe, NM 87505 wimber...@gmail.com wimbe...@cal.berkeley.edu Phone: (505) 995-8715 Cell: (505) 670-9918 *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Owen Densmore *Sent:* Sunday, February 01, 2015 10:35 AM *To:* Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* [FRIAM] Don’t harm municipalities for regulating oil costs - The Santa Fe New Mexican: My View Kim Sorvig, a long time Friamer, wrote this last week: http://www.santafenewmexican.com/opinion/my_view/reader-view-don-t-harm-municipalities-for-regulating-oil-costs/article_0235a9bd-0f56-5610-8386-40efc6167e55.html?_dc=234697471139.95255 I just thought this might be an interesting conversation, especially for those of us outside of New Mexico. Basically you don't own your property completely, there is something called Mineral Rights .. which means you don't own your property all the way down .. if its on top of oil, uranium, etc .. the industries may have rights to that. Probably lost in history but basically its a sorta commons argument .. but silly. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
[FRIAM] Don’t harm municipalities for regulating oil costs - The Santa Fe New Mexican: My View
Kim Sorvig, a long time Friamer, wrote this last week: http://www.santafenewmexican.com/opinion/my_view/reader-view-don-t-harm-municipalities-for-regulating-oil-costs/article_0235a9bd-0f56-5610-8386-40efc6167e55.html?_dc=234697471139.95255 I just thought this might be an interesting conversation, especially for those of us outside of New Mexico. Basically you don't own your property completely, there is something called Mineral Rights .. which means you don't own your property all the way down .. if its on top of oil, uranium, etc .. the industries may have rights to that. Probably lost in history but basically its a sorta commons argument .. but silly. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Don’t harm municipalities for regulating oil costs - The Santa Fe New Mexican: My View
It was worse in Pittsburgh. I owned some land down in Torrance County, NM from 1990 to 2000. The deed specified that I owned half the mineral rights, as I recall. Pittsburgh has something called the “Pittsburgh Coal Seam” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_coal_seam ) under it. You can’t buy the mineral rights for any price as I understand it. You would own a lot of coal if you could. Apparently the coal under the City won’t be mined any time soon, however. Frank Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz Santa Fe, NM 87505 mailto:wimber...@gmail.com wimber...@gmail.com mailto:wimbe...@cal.berkeley.edu wimbe...@cal.berkeley.edu Phone: (505) 995-8715 Cell: (505) 670-9918 From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 10:35 AM To: Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Don’t harm municipalities for regulating oil costs - The Santa Fe New Mexican: My View Kim Sorvig, a long time Friamer, wrote this last week: http://www.santafenewmexican.com/opinion/my_view/reader-view-don-t-harm-municipalities-for-regulating-oil-costs/article_0235a9bd-0f56-5610-8386-40efc6167e55.html?_dc=234697471139.95255 I just thought this might be an interesting conversation, especially for those of us outside of New Mexico. Basically you don't own your property completely, there is something called Mineral Rights .. which means you don't own your property all the way down .. if its on top of oil, uranium, etc .. the industries may have rights to that. Probably lost in history but basically its a sorta commons argument .. but silly. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Don’t harm municipalities for regulating oil costs - The Santa Fe New Mexican: My View
Frank remembers Pennsylvania law correctly—but we had a very good lawyer when we bought our Pittsburgh house, and he simply crossed out the clause that said we didn’t own the mineral rights beneath our house, and made all parties to the transaction initial it. He was actually a civil liberties lawyer, but this tickled me much. Whether it would have held up in court when Consolidated started to mine under our house, I have no idea. Pamela On Feb 1, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Frank Wimberly wimber...@gmail.com wrote: It was worse in Pittsburgh. I owned some land down in Torrance County, NM from 1990 to 2000. The deed specified that I owned half the mineral rights, as I recall. Pittsburgh has something called the “Pittsburgh Coal Seam” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_coal_seam ) under it. You can’t buy the mineral rights for any price as I understand it. You would own a lot of coal if you could. Apparently the coal under the City won’t be mined any time soon, however. Frank Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz Santa Fe, NM 87505 wimber...@gmail.com wimbe...@cal.berkeley.edu Phone: (505) 995-8715 Cell: (505) 670-9918 From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 10:35 AM To: Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Don’t harm municipalities for regulating oil costs - The Santa Fe New Mexican: My View Kim Sorvig, a long time Friamer, wrote this last week: http://www.santafenewmexican.com/opinion/my_view/reader-view-don-t-harm-municipalities-for-regulating-oil-costs/article_0235a9bd-0f56-5610-8386-40efc6167e55.html?_dc=234697471139.95255 I just thought this might be an interesting conversation, especially for those of us outside of New Mexico. Basically you don't own your property completely, there is something called Mineral Rights .. which means you don't own your property all the way down .. if its on top of oil, uranium, etc .. the industries may have rights to that. Probably lost in history but basically its a sorta commons argument .. but silly. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
