Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Applets · NetLogo/NetLogo Wiki

2015-07-13 Thread Marcus Daniels 

“Having said that well I for one can only speculate why java has/had a history 
of not caching on”

Wot?

http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

Btw, Web Assembly is just mimicking what .NET (and Mono) have been able to do 
for 10 years.

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 7:35 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Applets · NetLogo/NetLogo Wiki
. Though I am amused how the web has managed to go full circle.
Why do I say that, it seems as if the goal to applets and node is simillar to: 
DHTML
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_HTML

DHTML, was ahead it's time because you could make pages yes even those, the 
ones that beeped-to what became known as a blog.

They also seem to want to get things running in the browser like MS bugy gem's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActiveX

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Framework




On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Gillian Densmore 
mailto:gil.densm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
One could say:
thise.Day(Pine)
  print.out("arg YANFL");

but the joke might not compile.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Parks, Raymond 
mailto:rcpa...@sandia.gov>> wrote:
In my case, I was asked to help the Comptrollers (Air Force speak for 
accountants) to optimize the code because they were using an IBM emulator on a 
Honeywell 6800 and their APL programs were bogging down the entire system.
Oh, what tangled web we create, when first we try to emulate - or, perhaps, 
there was another fine mess they got me into.

Ray Parks
Consilient Heuristician/IDART Old-Timer
V: 505-844-4024  M: 505-238-9359  P: 
505-951-6084
NIPR: rcpa...@sandia.gov<mailto:rcpa...@sandia.gov>
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On Jul 13, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:


I programmed in APL while at Xerox in the 70's.  Although "dangerous" it was 
really fast to program in, especially as a domain specific language, so to 
speak.  It got so that if you couldn't do a one-liner for anything you wanted 
to do, you'd be disappointed!

Interestingly enough, it was the Finance dept of Xerox that first started using 
it, and then it leaked into the labs where it went viral.

SmallTalk was sorta the same, really great but hard to deploy initially, but 
really loved in the labs.

   -- Owen

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Parks, Raymond 
mailto:rcpa...@sandia.gov>> wrote:
It's analagous to pets - you raise them (sometimes) from bottle-feeding and 
they live to old age - and they die long before you are ready.  Sure, there are 
the occasional turtles and parrots that outlive their owners - COBOL has long 
outlived Grace Hopper - but most computer languages come and go within their 
authors and certainly users professional lifetimes.  Sometimes you babysit 
somebody else's pet while they're on vacation or something - the other thread 
on the cube comic points this out - only a few of us have ever worked with 
SNOBOL (and we probably didn't like it that much).  I started with Algol, moved 
on to COBOL, assembled various flavours,  did some Fortran (various flavours), 
then CMS II (a regression), C, C++, Java (swore at Grady), and then a 
succession of scripting languages (none of which have stuck).  My strangest 
language experience was A Programming Language (APL) - oh the damage one can do 
in almost no code.

Ray Parks
Consilient Heuristician/IDART Old-Timer
V: 505-844-4024  M: 505-238-9359  P: 
505-951-6084
NIPR: rcpa...@sandia.gov<mailto:rcpa...@sandia.gov>
SIPR: rcpar...@sandia.doe.sgov.gov<mailto:rcpar...@sandia.doe.sgov.gov> (send 
NIPR reminder)
JWICS: dopa...@doe.ic.gov<mailto:dopa...@doe.ic.gov> (send NIPR reminder)


On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:

This is sorta sad:
​​
https://github.com/NetLogo/NetLogo/wiki/Applets
​Applets: They're dead Jim.

Sad mainly from a history standpoint: Java built a really ​fascinating cross 
platform, VM based, language & libraries.

JS is now the current winner. But then, there's Web Assembly which will provide 
a path for all languages to replace JS in the browser and in Node.js.

Sigh.

   -- Owen


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Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Applets · NetLogo/NetLogo Wiki

2015-07-13 Thread Gillian Densmore 
Having said that well I for one can only speculate why java has/had a
history of not caching on. Though I am amused how the web has managed to go
full circle.
Why do I say that, it seems as if the goal to applets and node is simillar
to: DHTML
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_HTML


DHTML, was ahead it's time because you could make pages yes even those, the
ones that beeped-to what became known as a blog.

They also seem to want to get things running in the browser like MS bugy
gem's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActiveX


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Framework






On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Gillian Densmore 
wrote:

> One could say:
> thise.Day(Pine)
>   print.out("arg YANFL");
>
> but the joke might not compile.
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Parks, Raymond 
> wrote:
>
>> In my case, I was asked to help the Comptrollers (Air Force speak for
>> accountants) to optimize the code because they were using an IBM emulator
>> on a Honeywell 6800 and their APL programs were bogging down the entire
>> system.Oh, what tangled web we create, when first we try to emulate -
>> or, perhaps, there was another fine mess they got me into.
>>
>> Ray Parks
>> Consilient Heuristician/IDART Old-Timer
>> V: 505-844-4024  M: 505-238-9359  P: 505-951-6084
>> NIPR: rcpa...@sandia.gov
>> SIPR: rcpar...@sandia.doe.sgov.gov (send NIPR reminder)
>> JWICS: dopa...@doe.ic.gov (send NIPR reminder)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 13, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>
>> I programmed in APL while at Xerox in the 70's.  Although "dangerous" it
>> was really fast to program in, especially as a domain specific language, so
>> to speak.  It got so that if you couldn't do a one-liner for anything you
>> wanted to do, you'd be disappointed!
>>
>> Interestingly enough, it was the Finance dept of Xerox that first started
>> using it, and then it leaked into the labs where it went viral.
>>
>> SmallTalk was sorta the same, really great but hard to deploy initially,
>> but really loved in the labs.
>>
>>-- Owen
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Parks, Raymond 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's analagous to pets - you raise them (sometimes) from bottle-feeding
>>> and they live to old age - and they die long before you are ready.  Sure,
>>> there are the occasional turtles and parrots that outlive their owners -
>>> COBOL has long outlived Grace Hopper - but most computer languages come and
>>> go within their authors and certainly users professional lifetimes.
>>> Sometimes you babysit somebody else's pet while they're on vacation or
>>> something - the other thread on the cube comic points this out - only a few
>>> of us have ever worked with SNOBOL (and we probably didn't like it that
>>> much).  I started with Algol, moved on to COBOL, assembled various
>>> flavours,  did some Fortran (various flavours), then CMS II (a regression),
>>> C, C++, Java (swore at Grady), and then a succession of scripting languages
>>> (none of which have stuck).  My strangest language experience was A
>>> Programming Language (APL) - oh the damage one can do in almost no code.
>>>
>>> Ray Parks
>>> Consilient Heuristician/IDART Old-Timer
>>> V: 505-844-4024  M: 505-238-9359  P: 505-951-6084
>>> NIPR: rcpa...@sandia.gov
>>> SIPR: rcpar...@sandia.doe.sgov.gov (send NIPR reminder)
>>> JWICS: dopa...@doe.ic.gov (send NIPR reminder)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>>
>>> This is sorta sad:
>>> ​​
>>> https://github.com/NetLogo/NetLogo/wiki/Applets
>>> ​Applets: They're dead Jim.
>>>
>>> Sad mainly from a history standpoint: Java built a really ​fascinating
>>> cross platform, VM based, language & libraries.
>>>
>>> JS is now the current winner. But then, there's Web Assembly which will
>>> provide a path for all languages to replace JS in the browser and in
>>> Node.js.
>>>
>>> Sigh.
>>>
>>>-- Owen
>>>
>>> 
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Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Applets · NetLogo/NetLogo Wiki

2015-07-13 Thread Gillian Densmore 
One could say:
thise.Day(Pine)
  print.out("arg YANFL");

but the joke might not compile.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Parks, Raymond  wrote:

> In my case, I was asked to help the Comptrollers (Air Force speak for
> accountants) to optimize the code because they were using an IBM emulator
> on a Honeywell 6800 and their APL programs were bogging down the entire
> system.Oh, what tangled web we create, when first we try to emulate -
> or, perhaps, there was another fine mess they got me into.
>
> Ray Parks
> Consilient Heuristician/IDART Old-Timer
> V: 505-844-4024  M: 505-238-9359  P: 505-951-6084
> NIPR: rcpa...@sandia.gov
> SIPR: rcpar...@sandia.doe.sgov.gov (send NIPR reminder)
> JWICS: dopa...@doe.ic.gov (send NIPR reminder)
>
>
>
> On Jul 13, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>
> I programmed in APL while at Xerox in the 70's.  Although "dangerous" it
> was really fast to program in, especially as a domain specific language, so
> to speak.  It got so that if you couldn't do a one-liner for anything you
> wanted to do, you'd be disappointed!
>
> Interestingly enough, it was the Finance dept of Xerox that first started
> using it, and then it leaked into the labs where it went viral.
>
> SmallTalk was sorta the same, really great but hard to deploy initially,
> but really loved in the labs.
>
>-- Owen
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Parks, Raymond 
> wrote:
>
>> It's analagous to pets - you raise them (sometimes) from bottle-feeding
>> and they live to old age - and they die long before you are ready.  Sure,
>> there are the occasional turtles and parrots that outlive their owners -
>> COBOL has long outlived Grace Hopper - but most computer languages come and
>> go within their authors and certainly users professional lifetimes.
>> Sometimes you babysit somebody else's pet while they're on vacation or
>> something - the other thread on the cube comic points this out - only a few
>> of us have ever worked with SNOBOL (and we probably didn't like it that
>> much).  I started with Algol, moved on to COBOL, assembled various
>> flavours,  did some Fortran (various flavours), then CMS II (a regression),
>> C, C++, Java (swore at Grady), and then a succession of scripting languages
>> (none of which have stuck).  My strangest language experience was A
>> Programming Language (APL) - oh the damage one can do in almost no code.
>>
>> Ray Parks
>> Consilient Heuristician/IDART Old-Timer
>> V: 505-844-4024  M: 505-238-9359  P: 505-951-6084
>> NIPR: rcpa...@sandia.gov
>> SIPR: rcpar...@sandia.doe.sgov.gov (send NIPR reminder)
>> JWICS: dopa...@doe.ic.gov (send NIPR reminder)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>
>> This is sorta sad:
>> ​​
>> https://github.com/NetLogo/NetLogo/wiki/Applets
>> ​Applets: They're dead Jim.
>>
>> Sad mainly from a history standpoint: Java built a really ​fascinating
>> cross platform, VM based, language & libraries.
>>
>> JS is now the current winner. But then, there's Web Assembly which will
>> provide a path for all languages to replace JS in the browser and in
>> Node.js.
>>
>> Sigh.
>>
>>-- Owen
>>
>> 
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Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Applets · NetLogo/NetLogo Wiki

2015-07-13 Thread Parks, Raymond 
In my case, I was asked to help the Comptrollers (Air Force speak for 
accountants) to optimize the code because they were using an IBM emulator on a 
Honeywell 6800 and their APL programs were bogging down the entire system.
Oh, what tangled web we create, when first we try to emulate - or, perhaps, 
there was another fine mess they got me into.

Ray Parks
Consilient Heuristician/IDART Old-Timer
V: 505-844-4024  M: 505-238-9359  P: 505-951-6084
NIPR: rcpa...@sandia.gov
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On Jul 13, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:

> I programmed in APL while at Xerox in the 70's.  Although "dangerous" it was 
> really fast to program in, especially as a domain specific language, so to 
> speak.  It got so that if you couldn't do a one-liner for anything you wanted 
> to do, you'd be disappointed!
> 
> Interestingly enough, it was the Finance dept of Xerox that first started 
> using it, and then it leaked into the labs where it went viral.
> 
> SmallTalk was sorta the same, really great but hard to deploy initially, but 
> really loved in the labs.
> 
>-- Owen
> 
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Parks, Raymond  wrote:
> It's analagous to pets - you raise them (sometimes) from bottle-feeding and 
> they live to old age - and they die long before you are ready.  Sure, there 
> are the occasional turtles and parrots that outlive their owners - COBOL has 
> long outlived Grace Hopper - but most computer languages come and go within 
> their authors and certainly users professional lifetimes.  Sometimes you 
> babysit somebody else's pet while they're on vacation or something - the 
> other thread on the cube comic points this out - only a few of us have ever 
> worked with SNOBOL (and we probably didn't like it that much).  I started 
> with Algol, moved on to COBOL, assembled various flavours,  did some Fortran 
> (various flavours), then CMS II (a regression), C, C++, Java (swore at 
> Grady), and then a succession of scripting languages (none of which have 
> stuck).  My strangest language experience was A Programming Language (APL) - 
> oh the damage one can do in almost no code.
> 
> Ray Parks
> Consilient Heuristician/IDART Old-Timer
> V: 505-844-4024  M: 505-238-9359  P: 505-951-6084
> NIPR: rcpa...@sandia.gov
> SIPR: rcpar...@sandia.doe.sgov.gov (send NIPR reminder)
> JWICS: dopa...@doe.ic.gov (send NIPR reminder)
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> 
>> This is sorta sad:
>> ​​https://github.com/NetLogo/NetLogo/wiki/Applets
>> ​Applets: They're dead Jim.
>> 
>> Sad mainly from a history standpoint: Java built a really ​fascinating cross 
>> platform, VM based, language & libraries.
>> 
>> JS is now the current winner. But then, there's Web Assembly which will 
>> provide a path for all languages to replace JS in the browser and in Node.js.
>> 
>> Sigh.
>> 
>>-- Owen
>> 
>> 
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>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
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Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Applets · NetLogo/NetLogo Wiki

2015-07-13 Thread Bob Ballance 
APL was the first actual interactive language that I had the pleasure of using. 
It sure beat card readers!

SmallTalk was fun in that once programmers made the conceptual jump to objects, 
they really enjoyed programming in it. Maybe it was the sparsity of the 
language as compared to C++ that made it more congenial to program in. There 
were just fewer trapdoors to step over (or fall through) on the path to 
mastery. Having taught both languages (SmallTalk, C++) I’d  rather teach 
SmallTalk.

. . . bob

> On Jul 13, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:
> 
> I programmed in APL while at Xerox in the 70's.  Although "dangerous" it was 
> really fast to program in, especially as a domain specific language, so to 
> speak.  It got so that if you couldn't do a one-liner for anything you wanted 
> to do, you'd be disappointed!
> 
> Interestingly enough, it was the Finance dept of Xerox that first started 
> using it, and then it leaked into the labs where it went viral.
> 
> SmallTalk was sorta the same, really great but hard to deploy initially, but 
> really loved in the labs.
> 
>-- Owen
> 
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Parks, Raymond  > wrote:
> It's analagous to pets - you raise them (sometimes) from bottle-feeding and 
> they live to old age - and they die long before you are ready.  Sure, there 
> are the occasional turtles and parrots that outlive their owners - COBOL has 
> long outlived Grace Hopper - but most computer languages come and go within 
> their authors and certainly users professional lifetimes.  Sometimes you 
> babysit somebody else's pet while they're on vacation or something - the 
> other thread on the cube comic points this out - only a few of us have ever 
> worked with SNOBOL (and we probably didn't like it that much).  I started 
> with Algol, moved on to COBOL, assembled various flavours,  did some Fortran 
> (various flavours), then CMS II (a regression), C, C++, Java (swore at 
> Grady), and then a succession of scripting languages (none of which have 
> stuck).  My strangest language experience was A Programming Language (APL) - 
> oh the damage one can do in almost no code.
> 
> Ray Parks
> Consilient Heuristician/IDART Old-Timer
> V: 505-844-4024   M: 505-238-9359   P: 
> 505-951-6084 
> NIPR: rcpa...@sandia.gov 
> SIPR: rcpar...@sandia.doe.sgov.gov  
> (send NIPR reminder)
> JWICS: dopa...@doe.ic.gov  (send NIPR reminder)
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> 
>> This is sorta sad:
>> ​​https://github.com/NetLogo/NetLogo/wiki/Applets 
>> 
>> ​Applets: They're dead Jim.
>> 
>> Sad mainly from a history standpoint: Java built a really ​fascinating cross 
>> platform, VM based, language & libraries.
>> 
>> JS is now the current winner. But then, there's Web Assembly which will 
>> provide a path for all languages to replace JS in the browser and in Node.js.
>> 
>> Sigh.
>> 
>>-- Owen
>> 
>> 
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>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com 
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Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Applets · NetLogo/NetLogo Wiki

2015-07-13 Thread Owen Densmore 
I programmed in APL while at Xerox in the 70's.  Although "dangerous" it
was really fast to program in, especially as a domain specific language, so
to speak.  It got so that if you couldn't do a one-liner for anything you
wanted to do, you'd be disappointed!

Interestingly enough, it was the Finance dept of Xerox that first started
using it, and then it leaked into the labs where it went viral.

SmallTalk was sorta the same, really great but hard to deploy initially,
but really loved in the labs.

   -- Owen

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Parks, Raymond  wrote:

> It's analagous to pets - you raise them (sometimes) from bottle-feeding
> and they live to old age - and they die long before you are ready.  Sure,
> there are the occasional turtles and parrots that outlive their owners -
> COBOL has long outlived Grace Hopper - but most computer languages come and
> go within their authors and certainly users professional lifetimes.
> Sometimes you babysit somebody else's pet while they're on vacation or
> something - the other thread on the cube comic points this out - only a few
> of us have ever worked with SNOBOL (and we probably didn't like it that
> much).  I started with Algol, moved on to COBOL, assembled various
> flavours,  did some Fortran (various flavours), then CMS II (a regression),
> C, C++, Java (swore at Grady), and then a succession of scripting languages
> (none of which have stuck).  My strangest language experience was A
> Programming Language (APL) - oh the damage one can do in almost no code.
>
> Ray Parks
> Consilient Heuristician/IDART Old-Timer
> V: 505-844-4024  M: 505-238-9359  P: 505-951-6084
> NIPR: rcpa...@sandia.gov
> SIPR: rcpar...@sandia.doe.sgov.gov (send NIPR reminder)
> JWICS: dopa...@doe.ic.gov (send NIPR reminder)
>
>
>
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>
> This is sorta sad:
> ​​
> https://github.com/NetLogo/NetLogo/wiki/Applets
> ​Applets: They're dead Jim.
>
> Sad mainly from a history standpoint: Java built a really ​fascinating
> cross platform, VM based, language & libraries.
>
> JS is now the current winner. But then, there's Web Assembly which will
> provide a path for all languages to replace JS in the browser and in
> Node.js.
>
> Sigh.
>
>-- Owen
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Applets · NetLogo/NetLogo Wiki

2015-07-13 Thread Parks, Raymond 
It's analagous to pets - you raise them (sometimes) from bottle-feeding and 
they live to old age - and they die long before you are ready.  Sure, there are 
the occasional turtles and parrots that outlive their owners - COBOL has long 
outlived Grace Hopper - but most computer languages come and go within their 
authors and certainly users professional lifetimes.  Sometimes you babysit 
somebody else's pet while they're on vacation or something - the other thread 
on the cube comic points this out - only a few of us have ever worked with 
SNOBOL (and we probably didn't like it that much).  I started with Algol, moved 
on to COBOL, assembled various flavours,  did some Fortran (various flavours), 
then CMS II (a regression), C, C++, Java (swore at Grady), and then a 
succession of scripting languages (none of which have stuck).  My strangest 
language experience was A Programming Language (APL) - oh the damage one can do 
in almost no code.

Ray Parks
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On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:

> This is sorta sad:
> ​​https://github.com/NetLogo/NetLogo/wiki/Applets
> ​Applets: They're dead Jim.
> 
> Sad mainly from a history standpoint: Java built a really ​fascinating cross 
> platform, VM based, language & libraries.
> 
> JS is now the current winner. But then, there's Web Assembly which will 
> provide a path for all languages to replace JS in the browser and in Node.js.
> 
> Sigh.
> 
>-- Owen
> 
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