Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

2019-12-30 Thread uǝlƃ ☣ 
Oh. My. God. That was funny. I like cats. And, in March 2013, anyway, I'm free 
of toxoplasma gondii ... another benefit of being diagnosed with cancer! I get 
to claim that my like for cats has some other source.


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> 
>   
> Eyeo2013 Ignite #12 - Kevin Slavin 
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Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

2019-12-30 Thread Marcus Daniels 
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From: Friam  on behalf of Roger Critchlow 

Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 3:14 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

I see I replied to the wrong strand of the thread, this was Glen's contribution 
to which I was replying.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:01 AM glen 
mailto:g...@ropella.name>> wrote:
On 08/11/2015 08:36 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
> I'm surprised *anything* bores the living crap out of you!

What's not so boring is that Nick's crap _is_ alive!  But he may have the cause 
and effect reversed:

  https://www.mvppt.com/can-the-bacteria-in-your-gut-explain-your-mood/

> micro-organisms in the gut tickle a sensory nerve ending in the fingerlike 
> protrusion lining the intestine and carry that electrical impulse up the 
> vagus nerve and into the deep-brain structures thought to be responsible for 
> elemental emotions like anxiety.

Perhaps being bored doesn't get the living crap out of you.  Perhaps the living 
crap causes your boredom. 8^)

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Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

2019-12-30 Thread Steven A Smith 
Oh Nick!

 Let me "chastise" you again .   This was so far from trash (your
original observation, my "chastisement", and your polite but unnecessary
"apology").   I was, of course, friendly-teasing you about your use of
the term "bored" while trying to acknowledge that PolyBores abound (esp.
on this list) and "boredom" is very much in the eye of the bored-beholder. 

This list/meetup is going on 15-18 years old now... I'm too lazy/skeered
to go look at the archives... and I don't know when I joined the list
(or made my first meetup)... I think it was before I took a year's
sabbatical in Berzerkely 2005/2006 as I think I remember making a
"meetup" at St. Johns during a (re)visit to LANL during that year.   I
have enjoyed watching the evolution of various character's characters on
this list, including your own...   I think we met at that meetup but I
didn't get to know you much at all until SfX days when you were noodling
a lot about noodling and had (recently) written the MOTH paper with
Guerin/Densmore...  

I am attracted to PolyBores, because/in-spite of their endless prattling
on various pet topics...   the signal-noise ratio always seems low at
first, but with enough listening (attentive as well as background) I
eventually begin to learn the language of such individuals and can begin
to at least speak a pidgin of sorts with them, or adopt the
pidgin/creole I hear them speaking with another who I might be closer in
spirit/language to.

I have off-list engagements with several from this list, some in person,
others online, some professional, others personal and while those
engagements have a much higher signal-noise ratio (because focused on
mutually interesting topics and including specific attempts to meet
halfway), the conversations here which I might not fully be able to
follow (over my head, beyond my patience, outside my ken, etc) often
"soften me up" for important/interesting conversations later on or in
private.   We are on a good day, a "rich, living batch", a PolySpecies
symbiotic colony of PolyMaths/PolyBores methinks.

I definitely hear you converging on more understanding  or at least more
shared language with others here...  and your tireless pursuit of many
topics Pearcian and otherwise, have provided both helpful "convergence"
and "divergence" in the sense of annealing..  

It was a (mild) shock for me to hear my own "voice" here 4+ years old,
but it was a reminder that we've been rattling on about the same things
for years now!

Which reminds me of one of my favorite "They Might Be Giants" song-lyrics:

https://greatsong.net/PAROLES-THEY-MIGHT-BE-GIANTS,LUCKY-BALL-CHAIN,335311.html

/I lost my lucky ball and chain//
//Now she's four years gone//
//Just five feet tall and sick of me//
//And all my rattling on/

/.../

/        I was young and foolish then,/

/        I am old and foolish now.../

/    ../

Carry On!

 - STeve/
/

On 12/30/19 2:51 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> OUCH!
>
>  
>
> The person who said the internet is forever sure knew a thing.
>
>  
>
> Why we need to resurrect these posts, in particular, is unclear to me.
> Suffice it to say, I cannot recreate the context in which I would say
> such nasty things so /nastily.  /But the evidence that I did is
> overwhelming.  So.  All I can do is apologize again.  I have learned
> so much over the years from talking with glen and marcus.  Much of
> what they talk about is still foreign to me, but in the last year I
> feel I am understanding more, and would hate to have that channel
> gummed up by digging up this trash. 
>
>  
>
> But that is the consequence of having said stupid things; one is
> thereafter and forever dependent upon the grace and maturity of others. 
>
>  
>
> Nick
>
>  
>
> Nicholas Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>
> Clark University
>
> thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com>
>
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *Roger Critchlow
> *Sent:* Monday, December 30, 2019 2:04 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...
>
>  
>
> Okay, resurrecting this four plus year old discussion because it
> matched a search for vagus.
>
>  
>
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5807379/#B20 reports that
> electrical stimulation of the outer ear can stimulate the vagus nerve
> and has positive results for treating depression.  It's hitting a spot
> that acupuncture uses to treat depression.
>
>  
>
> -- rec --
>
>  
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:22 A

Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

2019-12-30 Thread Roger Critchlow 
I see I replied to the wrong strand of the thread, this was Glen's
contribution to which I was replying.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:01 AM glen  wrote:

> On 08/11/2015 08:36 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
> > I'm surprised *anything* bores the living crap out of you!
>
> What's not so boring is that Nick's crap _is_ alive!  But he may have the
> cause and effect reversed:
>
>   https://www.mvppt.com/can-the-bacteria-in-your-gut-explain-your-mood/
>
> > micro-organisms in the gut tickle a sensory nerve ending in the
> fingerlike protrusion lining the intestine and carry that electrical
> impulse up the vagus nerve and into the deep-brain structures thought to be
> responsible for elemental emotions like anxiety.
>
> Perhaps being bored doesn't get the living crap out of you.  Perhaps the
> living crap causes your boredom. 8^)
>

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Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

2019-12-30 Thread thompnickson2 
OUCH!

 

The person who said the internet is forever sure knew a thing.

 

Why we need to resurrect these posts, in particular, is unclear to me. Suffice 
it to say, I cannot recreate the context in which I would say such nasty things 
so nastily.  But the evidence that I did is overwhelming.  So.  All I can do is 
apologize again.  I have learned so much over the years from talking with glen 
and marcus.  Much of what they talk about is still foreign to me, but in the 
last year I feel I am understanding more, and would hate to have that channel 
gummed up by digging up this trash.  

 

But that is the consequence of having said stupid things; one is thereafter and 
forever dependent upon the grace and maturity of others.  

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

 <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> thompnicks...@gmail.com

 <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> 
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

 

 

From: Friam  On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 2:04 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

 

Okay, resurrecting this four plus year old discussion because it matched a 
search for vagus.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5807379/#B20 reports that 
electrical stimulation of the outer ear can stimulate the vagus nerve and has 
positive results for treating depression.  It's hitting a spot that acupuncture 
uses to treat depression.

 

-- rec --

 

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:22 AM Nick Thompson mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

Steve, 

 

Thank you for not chastising me, as I surely deserved.  I want to take this 
opportunity to renew my apology to the list.  

 

If you asked me to think deeply, I would say that boredom is actually one of 
those things that is in the eye of the beholder.  A person who is bored by a 
topic is just a person without the resources or energy to find what is 
interesting about it.  

 

Obviously I, the pot, who has been known the regale this list with commentary 
on Elevated Mixed Layers, should not be calling any pots black.  

 

Thanks, Steve, as always, for your good will. 

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com 
<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> ] On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com> >
Subject: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

 

Nick!

I'm surprised *anything* bores the living crap out of you!  I hear tell of you 
staring for hours at water swirling down a drain, considering the philosophical 
and psychological implications of such,  and even more hours listening to the 
squawks of Ravens!

That said,  I have to say that Marcus' and Glen's conversation here was far 
enough above my head that I can't imagine finding the time to noodle out enough 
of the reserved lexicon to do more than gape at it awkwardly.   

I have a good friend who is a former AstroPhysicist who has reinvented himself 
a few times as a High Performance Simulation Scientist, then Virtual Reality 
Researcher, then Nueroscience Researcher.  He is definitely a PolyBore to 
anyone without experience or interest in those fields, but the hoot of it all 
is that one of his best and oldest collaborators has stuck with "Applied Math" 
for 50 years and he calls HIM a "MathHole"... they are finishing up a 
multi-year book project on their theory of Neural Function based in Category 
Theory.  I suspect even people who Neurophysiology and Category Theory find 
them Polybores!

I do like the duality of PolyMath/PolyBore... we might have more than a few 
such creatures here on this list!  

- Steve

Hi Owen, 

 

How’s your summer. 

 

I note that not only can glen and company participate in a conversation with me 
that bores the living crap out of you, but they can also participate in a 
conversation with you that bores the living crap out of me.  But I am not 
threatening to pick up my marbles and go home.  

 

I think it’s in the nature of things.  They are multitalented bores.  
Polybores, we might call them.  I guess being a polybore is the other side of 
being a polymath.  

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 7:41 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group  
<mailto:friam@redfish.com> 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: unikernels?

 

Thanks! Fasc

Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

2019-12-30 Thread Frank Wimberly 
No I meant Bruce Simon.  He works for a company that makes devices that
treat depression and migraines by stimulating the vagus nerve electrically.

Frsnk

---
Frank Wimberly

My memoir:
https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly

My scientific publications:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2

Phone (505) 670-9918

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 2:31 PM Steven A Smith  wrote:

> I believe that Bruce (if you mean Sherwood) went AWOL from this list,
> expatriating to WedTech when it was formed (5 or more years ago?), along
> with a few others.  I heard rumors of a contingent getting overly tired of
> our endless philosophical maunderings here, in favor of a more "actionable"
> set of discussions, whether it be CS/Tech details or "good places to
> eat/plumb/roof/get-drunk in Santa Fe", etc.I try to keep my own endless
> blather on esoteric topics on this list rather than our sister WedTech, but
> am not terribly disciplined about such things.   I could be wrong, Bruce
> (and others I assume expatriated) might well be lurking here...
>
> PolyBores R' US!
>
> Bruce, do you receive this list?
>
> ---
> Frank Wimberly
>
> My memoir:
> https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly
>
> My scientific publications:
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2
>
> Phone (505) 670-9918
>
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 2:04 PM Roger Critchlow  wrote:
>
>> Okay, resurrecting this four plus year old discussion because it matched
>> a search for vagus.
>>
>> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5807379/#B20 reports that
>> electrical stimulation of the outer ear can stimulate the vagus nerve and
>> has positive results for treating depression.  It's hitting a spot that
>> acupuncture uses to treat depression.
>>
>> -- rec --
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:22 AM Nick Thompson <
>> nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for not chastising me, as I surely deserved.  I want to take
>>> this opportunity to renew my apology to the list.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you asked me to think deeply, I would say that boredom is actually
>>> one of those things that is in the eye of the beholder.  A person who is
>>> bored by a topic is just a person without the resources or energy to find
>>> what is interesting about it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Obviously I, the pot, who has been known the regale this list with
>>> commentary on Elevated Mixed Layers, should not be calling any pots black.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, Steve, as always, for your good will.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>>>
>>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>>>
>>> Clark University
>>>
>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve
>>> Smith
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:36 PM
>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>>> friam@redfish.com>
>>> *Subject:* [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nick!
>>>
>>> I'm surprised *anything* bores the living crap out of you!  I hear tell
>>> of you staring for hours at water swirling down a drain, considering the
>>> philosophical and psychological implications of such,  and even more hours
>>> listening to the squawks of Ravens!
>>>
>>> That said,  I have to say that Marcus' and Glen's conversation here was
>>> far enough above my head that I can't imagine finding the time to noodle
>>> out enough of the reserved lexicon to do more than gape at it awkwardly.
>>>
>>> I have a good friend who is a former AstroPhysicist who has reinvented
>>> himself a few times as a High Performance Simulation Scientist, then
>>> Virtual Reality Researcher, then Nueroscience Researcher.  He is definitely
>>> a PolyBore to anyone without experience or interest in those fields, but
>>> the hoot of it all is that one of his best and oldest collaborators has
>>> stuck with "Applied Math" for 50 years and he calls HIM a "MathHole"...
>>> they are finishing up a multi-year book project on their theory of Neural
>>> Function based in

Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

2019-12-30 Thread Steven A Smith 
I believe that Bruce (if you mean Sherwood) went AWOL from this list,
expatriating to WedTech when it was formed (5 or more years ago?), along
with a few others.  I heard rumors of a contingent getting overly tired
of our endless philosophical maunderings here, in favor of a more
"actionable" set of discussions, whether it be CS/Tech details or "good
places to eat/plumb/roof/get-drunk in Santa Fe", etc.    I try to keep
my own endless blather on esoteric topics on this list rather than our
sister WedTech, but am not terribly disciplined about such things.   I
could be wrong, Bruce (and others I assume expatriated) might well be
lurking here...  

PolyBores R' US!

> Bruce, do you receive this list?
>
> ---
> Frank Wimberly
>
> My memoir:
> https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly
>
> My scientific publications:
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2
>
> Phone (505) 670-9918
>
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 2:04 PM Roger Critchlow  <mailto:r...@elf.org>> wrote:
>
> Okay, resurrecting this four plus year old discussion because it
> matched a search for vagus.
>
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5807379/#B20 reports
> that electrical stimulation of the outer ear can stimulate the
> vagus nerve and has positive results for treating depression. 
> It's hitting a spot that acupuncture uses to treat depression.
>
> -- rec --
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:22 AM Nick Thompson
> mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net>>
> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
>  
>
> Thank you for not chastising me, as I surely deserved.  I want
> to take this opportunity to renew my apology to the list. 
>
>  
>
> If you asked me to think deeply, I would say that boredom is
> actually one of those things that is in the eye of the
> beholder.  A person who is bored by a topic is just a person
> without the resources or energy to find what is interesting
> about it. 
>
>  
>
> Obviously I, the pot, who has been known the regale this list
> with commentary on Elevated Mixed Layers, should not be
> calling any pots black. 
>
>  
>
> Thanks, Steve, as always, for your good will.
>
>  
>
> Nick
>
>  
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>  
>
> *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com
>     <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:36 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
> *Subject:* [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...
>
>  
>
> Nick!
>
> I'm surprised *anything* bores the living crap out of you!  I
> hear tell of you staring for hours at water swirling down a
> drain, considering the philosophical and psychological
> implications of such,  and even more hours listening to the
> squawks of Ravens!
>
> That said,  I have to say that Marcus' and Glen's conversation
> here was far enough above my head that I can't imagine finding
> the time to noodle out enough of the reserved lexicon to do
> more than gape at it awkwardly.  
>
> I have a good friend who is a former AstroPhysicist who has
> reinvented himself a few times as a High Performance
> Simulation Scientist, then Virtual Reality Researcher, then
> Nueroscience Researcher.  He is definitely a PolyBore to
> anyone without experience or interest in those fields, but the
> hoot of it all is that one of his best and oldest
> collaborators has stuck with "Applied Math" for 50 years and
> he calls HIM a "MathHole"... they are finishing up a
> multi-year book project on their theory of Neural Function
> based in Category Theory.  I suspect even people who
> Neurophysiology and Category Theory find them Polybores!
>
> I do like the duality of PolyMath/PolyBore... we might have
> more than a few such creatures here on this list! 
>
> - Steve
>
> Hi Owen,
>
>  
>
> How’s your summer.
>
>  
>
> I note that not only can glen and company participate in a
&

Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

2019-12-30 Thread Marcus Daniels 
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/psychedelic-drugs-lsd-active-agent-in-magic-mushrooms-to-treat-addiction-depression-anxiety-60-minutes-2019-12-29/


From: Friam  on behalf of Roger Critchlow 

Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 2:04 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

Okay, resurrecting this four plus year old discussion because it matched a 
search for vagus.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5807379/#B20 reports that 
electrical stimulation of the outer ear can stimulate the vagus nerve and has 
positive results for treating depression.  It's hitting a spot that acupuncture 
uses to treat depression.

-- rec --

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:22 AM Nick Thompson 
mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

Steve,



Thank you for not chastising me, as I surely deserved.  I want to take this 
opportunity to renew my apology to the list.



If you asked me to think deeply, I would say that boredom is actually one of 
those things that is in the eye of the beholder.  A person who is bored by a 
topic is just a person without the resources or energy to find what is 
interesting about it.



Obviously I, the pot, who has been known the regale this list with commentary 
on Elevated Mixed Layers, should not be calling any pots black.



Thanks, Steve, as always, for your good will.



Nick



Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/



From: Friam 
[mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] On Behalf 
Of Steve Smith
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
Subject: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...



Nick!

I'm surprised *anything* bores the living crap out of you!  I hear tell of you 
staring for hours at water swirling down a drain, considering the philosophical 
and psychological implications of such,  and even more hours listening to the 
squawks of Ravens!

That said,  I have to say that Marcus' and Glen's conversation here was far 
enough above my head that I can't imagine finding the time to noodle out enough 
of the reserved lexicon to do more than gape at it awkwardly.

I have a good friend who is a former AstroPhysicist who has reinvented himself 
a few times as a High Performance Simulation Scientist, then Virtual Reality 
Researcher, then Nueroscience Researcher.  He is definitely a PolyBore to 
anyone without experience or interest in those fields, but the hoot of it all 
is that one of his best and oldest collaborators has stuck with "Applied Math" 
for 50 years and he calls HIM a "MathHole"... they are finishing up a 
multi-year book project on their theory of Neural Function based in Category 
Theory.  I suspect even people who Neurophysiology and Category Theory find 
them Polybores!

I do like the duality of PolyMath/PolyBore... we might have more than a few 
such creatures here on this list!

- Steve

Hi Owen,



How’s your summer.



I note that not only can glen and company participate in a conversation with me 
that bores the living crap out of you, but they can also participate in a 
conversation with you that bores the living crap out of me.  But I am not 
threatening to pick up my marbles and go home.



I think it’s in the nature of things.  They are multitalented bores.  
Polybores, we might call them.  I guess being a polybore is the other side of 
being a polymath.



Nick



Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/



From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 7:41 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
<mailto:friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: unikernels?



Thanks! Fascinating.



   -- Owen



On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Parks, Raymond 
mailto:rcpa...@sandia.gov>> wrote:

  The original articles/blogs are from the U of Cambridge Xen folks and a 
somewhat buzzword lovin' sysadmin.  The current trend in using someone else's 
computer (SEC, more commonly called cloud) is LInux containers and docker.  The 
articles predict that the future is unikernels.  A unikernel is application 
specific, like containers, but in the form of a monolithic VM that includes the 
specific application and necessary kernel services for that app.  At least two 
of the current unikernel projects use functional languages - OCaml and Haskell. 
 The Xen model is for a developer to specify the kernel services they need, 
develop the application code, develop the configuration code, and the whole 
thing gets turned into a monolithic VM that runs in the Xen hypervisor.  In 
theory, this makes for gre

Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

2019-12-30 Thread Frank Wimberly 
Bruce, do you receive this list?

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 2:04 PM Roger Critchlow  wrote:

> Okay, resurrecting this four plus year old discussion because it matched a
> search for vagus.
>
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5807379/#B20 reports that
> electrical stimulation of the outer ear can stimulate the vagus nerve and
> has positive results for treating depression.  It's hitting a spot that
> acupuncture uses to treat depression.
>
> -- rec --
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:22 AM Nick Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for not chastising me, as I surely deserved.  I want to take
>> this opportunity to renew my apology to the list.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you asked me to think deeply, I would say that boredom is actually one
>> of those things that is in the eye of the beholder.  A person who is bored
>> by a topic is just a person without the resources or energy to find what is
>> interesting about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Obviously I, the pot, who has been known the regale this list with
>> commentary on Elevated Mixed Layers, should not be calling any pots black.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Steve, as always, for your good will.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>>
>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve
>> Smith
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:36 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam@redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick!
>>
>> I'm surprised *anything* bores the living crap out of you!  I hear tell
>> of you staring for hours at water swirling down a drain, considering the
>> philosophical and psychological implications of such,  and even more hours
>> listening to the squawks of Ravens!
>>
>> That said,  I have to say that Marcus' and Glen's conversation here was
>> far enough above my head that I can't imagine finding the time to noodle
>> out enough of the reserved lexicon to do more than gape at it awkwardly.
>>
>> I have a good friend who is a former AstroPhysicist who has reinvented
>> himself a few times as a High Performance Simulation Scientist, then
>> Virtual Reality Researcher, then Nueroscience Researcher.  He is definitely
>> a PolyBore to anyone without experience or interest in those fields, but
>> the hoot of it all is that one of his best and oldest collaborators has
>> stuck with "Applied Math" for 50 years and he calls HIM a "MathHole"...
>> they are finishing up a multi-year book project on their theory of Neural
>> Function based in Category Theory.  I suspect even people who
>> Neurophysiology and Category Theory find them Polybores!
>>
>> I do like the duality of PolyMath/PolyBore... we might have more than a
>> few such creatures here on this list!
>>
>> - Steve
>>
>> Hi Owen,
>>
>>
>>
>> How’s your summer.
>>
>>
>>
>> I note that not only can glen and company participate in a conversation
>> with me that bores the living crap out of you, but they can also
>> participate in a conversation with you that bores the living crap out of
>> me.  But I am not threatening to pick up my marbles and go home.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it’s in the nature of things.  They are multitalented bores.
>> Polybores, we might call them.  I guess being a polybore is the other side
>> of being a polymath.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>>
>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Owen Densmore
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 7:41 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>>  
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: unikernels?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks! Fascinating.
>>
>>
>>
>>-- Owen
>>
&

Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

2019-12-30 Thread Roger Critchlow 
Okay, resurrecting this four plus year old discussion because it matched a
search for vagus.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5807379/#B20 reports that
electrical stimulation of the outer ear can stimulate the vagus nerve and
has positive results for treating depression.  It's hitting a spot that
acupuncture uses to treat depression.

-- rec --

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:22 AM Nick Thompson 
wrote:

> Steve,
>
>
>
> Thank you for not chastising me, as I surely deserved.  I want to take
> this opportunity to renew my apology to the list.
>
>
>
> If you asked me to think deeply, I would say that boredom is actually one
> of those things that is in the eye of the beholder.  A person who is bored
> by a topic is just a person without the resources or energy to find what is
> interesting about it.
>
>
>
> Obviously I, the pot, who has been known the regale this list with
> commentary on Elevated Mixed Layers, should not be calling any pots black.
>
>
>
> Thanks, Steve, as always, for your good will.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve
> Smith
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:36 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject:* [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...
>
>
>
> Nick!
>
> I'm surprised *anything* bores the living crap out of you!  I hear tell of
> you staring for hours at water swirling down a drain, considering the
> philosophical and psychological implications of such,  and even more hours
> listening to the squawks of Ravens!
>
> That said,  I have to say that Marcus' and Glen's conversation here was
> far enough above my head that I can't imagine finding the time to noodle
> out enough of the reserved lexicon to do more than gape at it awkwardly.
>
> I have a good friend who is a former AstroPhysicist who has reinvented
> himself a few times as a High Performance Simulation Scientist, then
> Virtual Reality Researcher, then Nueroscience Researcher.  He is definitely
> a PolyBore to anyone without experience or interest in those fields, but
> the hoot of it all is that one of his best and oldest collaborators has
> stuck with "Applied Math" for 50 years and he calls HIM a "MathHole"...
> they are finishing up a multi-year book project on their theory of Neural
> Function based in Category Theory.  I suspect even people who
> Neurophysiology and Category Theory find them Polybores!
>
> I do like the duality of PolyMath/PolyBore... we might have more than a
> few such creatures here on this list!
>
> - Steve
>
> Hi Owen,
>
>
>
> How’s your summer.
>
>
>
> I note that not only can glen and company participate in a conversation
> with me that bores the living crap out of you, but they can also
> participate in a conversation with you that bores the living crap out of
> me.  But I am not threatening to pick up my marbles and go home.
>
>
>
> I think it’s in the nature of things.  They are multitalented bores.
> Polybores, we might call them.  I guess being a polybore is the other side
> of being a polymath.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Owen Densmore
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 7:41 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>  
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: unikernels?
>
>
>
> Thanks! Fascinating.
>
>
>
>-- Owen
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Parks, Raymond 
> wrote:
>
>   The original articles/blogs are from the U of Cambridge Xen folks and a
> somewhat buzzword lovin' sysadmin.  The current trend in using someone
> else's computer (SEC, more commonly called cloud) is LInux containers and
> docker.  The articles predict that the future is unikernels.  A unikernel
> is application specific, like containers, but in the form of a monolithic
> VM that includes the specific application and necessary kernel services for
> that app.  At least two of the current unikernel projects use functional
> languages - OCaml and Haskell.  The Xen model is for a developer to specify
> the kernel services they need, develop the application code, develop the
> configuration code, and the whole thing gets turne

Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

2015-08-13 Thread Nick Thompson 
Thank you, Glen, for your indulgence.  

I take a pill every day that has 5 billion of those little suckers in it.
Think of that.  Each one with its own world view. 

Nick 

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-Original Message-
From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:43 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

On 08/11/2015 08:36 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
> I'm surprised *anything* bores the living crap out of you!

What's not so boring is that Nick's crap _is_ alive!  But he may have the cause 
and effect reversed:

  https://www.mvppt.com/can-the-bacteria-in-your-gut-explain-your-mood/

> micro-organisms in the gut tickle a sensory nerve ending in the fingerlike 
> protrusion lining the intestine and carry that electrical impulse up the 
> vagus nerve and into the deep-brain structures thought to be responsible for 
> elemental emotions like anxiety.

Perhaps being bored doesn't get the living crap out of you.  Perhaps the living 
crap causes your boredom. 8^)

-- 
⇒⇐ glen e. p. ropella




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Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

2015-08-12 Thread glen ep ropella 

On 08/12/2015 08:49 AM, Steve Smith wrote:

 Are *we* a key part of the microbiome of the planet?   It seems like *we* are an essential element of 
the "living crap" of mother earth and our "virulent" destruction of other species and 
habitat even for ourselves, might have similar implications. Though I suppose that the analogy might be 
better with the "skin biome"?


Well, there is this:

The human gut microbiome as a transporter of antibiotic resistance genes 
between continents
http://aac.asm.org/content/early/2015/08/04/AAC.00933-15.abstract

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Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

2015-08-12 Thread Steve Smith 

Glen -

Are you trying to "chap my a**" ?

I *knew* I could depend on you to suss out another level of meaning in 
any words I used ;)  Much appreciated!


The article leaves me wondering two things:
Does NASA study this stuff as well?  Seems like space colonization 
might hinge on this... keeping a healthy microbiome in a microgravity 
and overly sterile environment.
Are *we* a key part of the microbiome of the planet?   It seems 
like *we* are an essential element of the "living crap" of mother earth 
and our "virulent" destruction of other species and habitat even for 
ourselves, might have similar implications. Though I suppose that the 
analogy might be better with the "skin biome"?


In any case, maybe someone should dose Nick's coffee with a fresh 
innoculant?  This might be an important reason to attend FriAM, to 
maintain a healthily compatible "collective biome" by "shooting the 
shit" in person?   I do sometimes imagine ourselves (on this e-mail 
list) as Asimov's Solarians in our "Splendid Isolation", communicating 
via "Holograms"...


http://asimov.wikia.com/wiki/Solaria

- Steve

On 08/11/2015 08:36 PM, Steve Smith wrote:

I'm surprised *anything* bores the living crap out of you!

What's not so boring is that Nick's crap _is_ alive!  But he may have the cause 
and effect reversed:

   https://www.mvppt.com/can-the-bacteria-in-your-gut-explain-your-mood/


micro-organisms in the gut tickle a sensory nerve ending in the fingerlike 
protrusion lining the intestine and carry that electrical impulse up the vagus 
nerve and into the deep-brain structures thought to be responsible for 
elemental emotions like anxiety.

Perhaps being bored doesn't get the living crap out of you.  Perhaps the living 
crap causes your boredom. 8^)





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Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

2015-08-12 Thread glen 
On 08/11/2015 08:36 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
> I'm surprised *anything* bores the living crap out of you!

What's not so boring is that Nick's crap _is_ alive!  But he may have the cause 
and effect reversed:

  https://www.mvppt.com/can-the-bacteria-in-your-gut-explain-your-mood/

> micro-organisms in the gut tickle a sensory nerve ending in the fingerlike 
> protrusion lining the intestine and carry that electrical impulse up the 
> vagus nerve and into the deep-brain structures thought to be responsible for 
> elemental emotions like anxiety.

Perhaps being bored doesn't get the living crap out of you.  Perhaps the living 
crap causes your boredom. 8^)

-- 
⇒⇐ glen e. p. ropella




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[FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

2015-08-11 Thread Steve Smith 

  
  
Nick!
  
  I'm surprised *anything* bores the living crap out of you!  I hear
  tell of you staring for hours at water swirling down a drain,
  considering the philosophical and psychological implications of
  such,  and even more hours listening to the squawks of Ravens!
  
  That said,  I have to say that Marcus' and Glen's conversation
  here was far enough above my head that I can't imagine finding the
  time to noodle out enough of the reserved lexicon to do more than
  gape at it awkwardly.   
  
  I have a good friend who is a former AstroPhysicist who has
  reinvented himself a few times as a High Performance Simulation
  Scientist, then Virtual Reality Researcher, then Nueroscience
  Researcher.  He is definitely a PolyBore to anyone without
  experience or interest in those fields, but the hoot of it all is
  that one of his best and oldest collaborators has stuck with
  "Applied Math" for 50 years and he calls HIM a "MathHole"... they
  are finishing up a multi-year book project on their theory of
  Neural Function based in Category Theory.  I suspect even people
  who Neurophysiology and Category Theory find them Polybores!
  
  I do like the duality of PolyMath/PolyBore... we might have more
  than a few such creatures here on this list!  
  
  - Steve


  
  
  
  
Hi
Owen, 
 
How’s
your summer. 
 
I
note that not only can glen and company participate in a
conversation with me that bores the living crap out of you,
but they can also participate in a conversation with you
that bores the living crap out of me.  But I am not
threatening to pick up my marbles and go home.  
 
I
think it’s in the nature of things.  They are multitalented
bores.  Polybores, we might call them.  I guess being a
polybore is the other side of being a polymath.  
 
Nick

 
Nicholas
S. Thompson
Emeritus
Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark
University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
 
From:
Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen
Densmore
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 7:41 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
Group 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: unikernels?
 

  
Thanks!
Fascinating.
  
  
 
  
  
 
 -- Owen
  


   
  
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Parks,
  Raymond 
  wrote:

  
  The original articles/blogs are
  from the U of Cambridge Xen folks and a somewhat
  buzzword lovin' sysadmin.  The current trend in using
  someone else's computer (SEC, more commonly called
  cloud) is LInux containers and docker.  The articles
  predict that the future is unikernels.  A unikernel is
  application specific, like containers, but in the form
  of a monolithic VM that includes the specific
  application and necessary kernel services for that
  app.  At least two of the current unikernel projects
  use functional languages - OCaml and Haskell.  The Xen
  model is for a developer to specify the kernel
  services they need, develop the application code,
  develop the configuration code, and the whole thing
  gets turned into a monolithic VM that runs in the Xen
  hypervisor.  In theory, this makes for greater
  efficiency and less chance of the tail wagging the
  dog.  By that latter, I mean that one of the major
  issues in securing computer systems of systems is that
  one gets all of a system one includes (i.e DNS Bind)
  even though one uses one small feature.   That means
  all of the vulnerabilities as well as all the features
  that are not used.

   


    As I said in a previous post,
this is a reinvention (for hypervisors) of IBM VM
and CSM - the latter being a minimalist kernel with,
usually, a single application.