Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[Marcus Daniels]

"But those dogs who aren't fixed might have puppies who will begin learning the 
lesson."

1) bite hard, say, around the neck or underbelly, and without hesitation
2) make lots of puppies

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[glen ☣]

Well, maybe the learning isn't devo; maybe it's more evo? ... similar to the disruption of the "keep a steady job 
then retire" motif my parents understood, that is total bvllsh!t now.  Or perhaps the "work hard, buy a 
house" motif?  Or "go to school so you can get a job"?  Or even "read, read, read, read -- never 
mind that video will make reading obsolete by the time you die"?

Your dog won't learn any lessons.  But those dogs who aren't fixed might have 
puppies who will begin learning the lesson.

On 06/27/2016 02:57 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

My dog is never going to learn anything from Trump presidency.
If there is shooting in the streets he'll be anxious.   He will want to flee, but on a 
leash he'll opt to fight.Then he'll look at me with that "What the hell was 
that?" look.
How do I tell him it is just a stupid exercise for the humans?


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Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[glen ☣]

Ah, thanks.  After your e-mail, I found this:

  http://www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-we-wont-trigger-article-50-now/

“We need to determine what kind of relationship we want with the EU, and that 
is rightly something for the next prime minister and their cabinet to decide,” 
said Cameron. “This is our sovereign decision and it will be for Britain, and 
Britain alone, to decide.”



On 06/27/2016 02:56 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote:

Not sure where I read it (perhaps someone here on the list posted it), but I 
read that Cameron says that he will wait for the next PM to make the decision 
if and when to pull the Article 50 trigger. Incidentally, I'm surprised that 
popular referenda are not legally binding.



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Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[Marcus Daniels]

My dog is never going to learn anything from Trump presidency.
If there is shooting in the streets he'll be anxious.   He will want to flee, 
but on a leash he'll opt to fight.Then he'll look at me with that "What the 
hell was that?" look.
How do I tell him it is just a stupid exercise for the humans?

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On 06/27/2016 01:59 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Despair wasn't what I was getting from the body language of David and 
> Samantha Cameron.  Perhaps kind like Boehner..?

I have to admit that I'm interested in the rhetoric that says: We should elect 
Trump as President because we need to get it out of our system.  It's akin to 
postmodernism.  We _need_ to manually walk as far towards the absurd as we can 
in order to teach ourselves (or some of us) what "absurd" means, tacitly.  It's 
not enough to be warned by those with the ability to run it forward in their 
heads.  Even those brainiacs are susceptible to confirmation bias.  So we 
_need_ to do the work, actually go out into the void as far as possible so we 
can experience it, memorize it, know what it means ... to, say, have a reality 
TV personality run the country.

Perhaps Cameron has an anarchist homunculus?  Just burn it down!  Free your 
mind and ... Burn. It. Down.

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Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[Gary Schiltz]

Not sure where I read it (perhaps someone here on the list posted it), but
I read that Cameron says that he will wait for the next PM to make the
decision if and when to pull the Article 50 trigger. Incidentally, I'm
surprised that popular referenda are not legally binding.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 4:15 PM, glen ☣  wrote:

> On 06/27/2016 01:59 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>
>> Despair wasn't what I was getting from the body language of David and
>> Samantha Cameron.  Perhaps kind like Boehner..?
>>
>
> I have to admit that I'm interested in the rhetoric that says: We should
> elect Trump as President because we need to get it out of our system.  It's
> akin to postmodernism.  We _need_ to manually walk as far towards the
> absurd as we can in order to teach ourselves (or some of us) what "absurd"
> means, tacitly.  It's not enough to be warned by those with the ability to
> run it forward in their heads.  Even those brainiacs are susceptible to
> confirmation bias.  So we _need_ to do the work, actually go out into the
> void as far as possible so we can experience it, memorize it, know what it
> means ... to, say, have a reality TV personality run the country.
>
> Perhaps Cameron has an anarchist homunculus?  Just burn it down!  Free
> your mind and ... Burn. It. Down.
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[glen ☣]

On 06/27/2016 01:59 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

Despair wasn't what I was getting from the body language of David and Samantha 
Cameron.  Perhaps kind like Boehner..?


I have to admit that I'm interested in the rhetoric that says: We should elect Trump as 
President because we need to get it out of our system.  It's akin to postmodernism.  We 
_need_ to manually walk as far towards the absurd as we can in order to teach ourselves 
(or some of us) what "absurd" means, tacitly.  It's not enough to be warned by 
those with the ability to run it forward in their heads.  Even those brainiacs are 
susceptible to confirmation bias.  So we _need_ to do the work, actually go out into the 
void as far as possible so we can experience it, memorize it, know what it means ... to, 
say, have a reality TV personality run the country.

Perhaps Cameron has an anarchist homunculus?  Just burn it down!  Free your 
mind and ... Burn. It. Down.

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Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[Marcus Daniels]

Despair wasn't what I was getting from the body language of David and Samantha 
Cameron.  Perhaps kind like Boehner..?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/opinion/sunday/hell-is-other-britons.html

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Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

Maybe he wants out and sees this as an opportunity?


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On 06/27/2016 12:54 PM, Edward Angel wrote:
> It’s not a legally binding vote but Cameron has both resigned (as of October) 
> and said he will honor the vote.

So, he has to file for article 50 because he said he'd file.  A politician 
being bound by his word?  That seems even less binding than the referendum.  
Obviously, there's something deeper at work.

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Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[Frank Wimberly]

Maybe he wants out and sees this as an opportunity?


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On 06/27/2016 12:54 PM, Edward Angel wrote:
> It’s not a legally binding vote but Cameron has both resigned (as of October) 
> and said he will honor the vote.

So, he has to file for article 50 because he said he'd file.  A politician 
being bound by his word?  That seems even less binding than the referendum.  
Obviously, there's something deeper at work.

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Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[glen ☣]

On 06/27/2016 12:54 PM, Edward Angel wrote:

It’s not a legally binding vote but Cameron has both resigned (as of October) 
and said he will honor the vote.


So, he has to file for article 50 because he said he'd file.  A politician 
being bound by his word?  That seems even less binding than the referendum.  
Obviously, there's something deeper at work.

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Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[glen ☢]

What I don't quite understand is, if referenda are "consultative" and 
non-binding, why all the hoopla?  Why can't they simply factor the results into 
a more rational process?  This is especially curious if Cameron plans to/will 
resign anyway.  And also curious given the Bregret.  Did the pre-referendum 
legislation dictate that the government must robotically obey the results?  We 
have all sorts of ways our US government can bypass, ignore, or delay the 
unencumbered "will of the people."

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Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[Frank Wimberly]

>From Tom Wilkinson on Facebook.  I assume he's English:

There are a few camps here.
The first is those that voted "Leave" as a protest against the current
government. They thought there was no way that Leave would win (evident
they didn't read the same opinion polls I did), and immediately regretted
their actions.

Second are the people who voted on the basis of personality. A major
campaigner on the Leave side, Nigel Farage, projects himself as a man of
the people (he's rarely seen in publicity photos without a pint of beer in
one hand and a cigarette in the other). They didn't really grasp what it
was they were voting for and now they've seen the numbers and seen how the
rest of the world has reacted, have come to their senses. Boris Johnson,
the other major Leave personality is well known too for being a bit of a
breath of fresh air (He's the former Mayor of London, and could be
described as "Colourful" - again, a different kind of politician)

The third group (and the only one I have any sympathy with) are the people
who genuinely thought Leave was the right thing to do after weighing up the
options, and who have now seen a huge upsurge in racist incidents/ violence
from the extreme racist right wing who took the leave vote as an
endorsement of their extreme views.
On Jun 26, 2016 5:11 AM, "Jochen Fromm" <j...@cas-group.net> wrote:

> The NY Times has a nice overview how Britain has voted in detail
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/24/world/europe/how-britain-voted-brexit-referendum.html
>
> Regards
> Jochen
>
>
> Sent from my Tricorder
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>  Original message 
> From: Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com>
> Date: 6/26/16 04:39 (GMT+01:00)
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England
>
>
> http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/683415/Angela-Merkel-BritainBrexit-negotiations-should-not-rushed-olive-branch
>
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> Phone
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> On Jun 25, 2016 7:53 PM, "Nick Thompson" <nickthomp...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, frank.  I will look for that.  N
>>
>>
>>
>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>>
>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank
>> Wimberly
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2016 9:36 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam@redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England
>>
>>
>>
>> They're annoyed (pissed) but the latest news was that Merkel said "not so
>> fast".
>>
>> Frank Wimberly
>> Phone
>> (505) 670-9918
>>
>> On Jun 25, 2016 7:30 PM, "Nick Thompson" <nickthomp...@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Anybody –
>>
>>
>>
>> I am sorry – my message confounded an internal conservative party
>> election with a national parliamentary election.  The question I thought
>> gill was asking was, “Shouldn’t this crisis lead to a dissolution of
>> parliament?” The answer is, not unless a significant minority of the
>> Conservative party votes against its new chosen leader.
>>
>>
>>
>> One surprising event today was the demand by EU leaders that the UK
>> invoke article 50 immediately.  Does anybody know why they are doing that?
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>>
>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Nick Thompson [mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2016 3:59 PM
>> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <
>> friam@redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* RE: [FRIAM] Anyone from England
>>
>>
>>
>> Boy, Howdy, did Cameron Mess up!
>>
>>
>>
>> So, he now loses his premiership to the right wing of his own party.
>> Scotland, and perhaps N. Ireland, will now opt out of the UK in a few
>> years, leaving England a teensy libertarian paradise under Boris Johnson.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gill, here is how I think the parliamentary system works.  Cameron
>> resigns.  That precipitates an election for party leader amongst the
>> conservatives.  If that goes smoothly, there is no election.  If that is
>> bloody, and some faction of the Conservatives is wi

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[Jochen Fromm]

The NY Times has a nice overview how Britain has voted in 
detailhttp://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/24/world/europe/how-britain-voted-brexit-referendum.html
Regards Jochen

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Date: 6/26/16  04:39  (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity 
Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England 
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/683415/Angela-Merkel-BritainBrexit-negotiations-should-not-rushed-olive-branch


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On Jun 25, 2016 7:53 PM, "Nick Thompson" <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Thanks, frank.  I will look for that.  N Nicholas S. ThompsonEmeritus Professor 
of Psychology and BiologyClark 
Universityhttp://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam 
[mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 9:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England They're annoyed (pissed) but the 
latest news was that Merkel said "not so fast".Frank Wimberly
Phone
(505) 670-9918On Jun 25, 2016 7:30 PM, "Nick Thompson" 
<nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:Anybody – I am sorry – my message confounded 
an internal conservative party election with a national parliamentary election. 
 The question I thought gill was asking was, “Shouldn’t this crisis lead to a 
dissolution of parliament?” The answer is, not unless a significant minority of 
the Conservative party votes against its new chosen leader.   One surprising 
event today was the demand by EU leaders that the UK invoke article 50 
immediately.  Does anybody know why they are doing that?   Nick  Nicholas S. 
ThompsonEmeritus Professor of Psychology and BiologyClark 
Universityhttp://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Nick 
Thompson [mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 3:59 PM
To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Anyone from England Boy, Howdy, did Cameron Mess up! So, 
he now loses his premiership to the right wing of his own party.  Scotland, and 
perhaps N. Ireland, will now opt out of the UK in a few years, leaving England 
a teensy libertarian paradise under Boris Johnson.   Gill, here is how I think 
the parliamentary system works.  Cameron resigns.  That precipitates an 
election for party leader amongst the conservatives.  If that goes smoothly, 
there is no election.  If that is bloody, and some faction of the Conservatives 
is willing to join Labor in a vote of no confidence, THAT will precipitate an 
election.   Parliament is sovereign in the UK.  So, a new parliament could do 
anything it wanted, including, presumably, not leave the EU.   I think that’s 
how it is.  I would love to be corrected.  Nick  Nicholas S. ThompsonEmeritus 
Professor of Psychology and BiologyClark 
Universityhttp://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam 
[mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 3:47 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England From what I heard David Cameron messed 
it up. He failed miserably. In order to get elected and to get rid of his right 
wing critics he promised the people this referendum where they can vote for or 
against the EU. If people had voted to remain in the EU it would have been a 
victory for him. It wasn't. He lost.  Most of the "Brexit" voters voted against 
the EU because they are against immigrants and want to make Britain great 
again, much like Trump in US. Unfortunately it will not happen, the British 
Pound will drop, customs will raise and the UK will slide into a recession. EU 
funding for universities in the UK will stop. It looks pretty bad for Great 
Britain, as you can see in the reaction of the stock markets.  TL;DR Cameron 
messed it up and everyone in Europe is a bit shocked about the result of the 
referendum. Regards Jochen Sent from my Tricorder  Original message 
From: Gillian Densmore <gil.densm...@gmail.com> Date: 6/24/16 21:23 
(GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
<friam@redfish.com> Subject: [FRIAM] Anyone from England  Care to speculate 
what's going on with this leave the EU thing? I can guess but I might be wrong, 
I suppose I thought while the EU comes across as a discuntional family. I 
didn't know drama between England and the rest of Europe was so bad that they'd 
want to leave. places like telegraph aren't exactly helping matters: 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-live-david-cameron-resigns-as-uk-shocks-the-world/
 So anyone from England  have some opinions about what's going on?Also

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[Frank Wimberly]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/683415/Angela-Merkel-BritainBrexit-negotiations-should-not-rushed-olive-branch

Frank Wimberly
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On Jun 25, 2016 7:53 PM, "Nick Thompson" <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Thanks, frank.  I will look for that.  N
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank
> Wimberly
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2016 9:36 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England
>
>
>
> They're annoyed (pissed) but the latest news was that Merkel said "not so
> fast".
>
> Frank Wimberly
> Phone
> (505) 670-9918
>
> On Jun 25, 2016 7:30 PM, "Nick Thompson" <nickthomp...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> Anybody –
>
>
>
> I am sorry – my message confounded an internal conservative party election
> with a national parliamentary election.  The question I thought gill was
> asking was, “Shouldn’t this crisis lead to a dissolution of parliament?”
> The answer is, not unless a significant minority of the Conservative party
> votes against its new chosen leader.
>
>
>
> One surprising event today was the demand by EU leaders that the UK invoke
> article 50 immediately.  Does anybody know why they are doing that?
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>
> *From:* Nick Thompson [mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net]
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2016 3:59 PM
> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [FRIAM] Anyone from England
>
>
>
> Boy, Howdy, did Cameron Mess up!
>
>
>
> So, he now loses his premiership to the right wing of his own party.
> Scotland, and perhaps N. Ireland, will now opt out of the UK in a few
> years, leaving England a teensy libertarian paradise under Boris Johnson.
>
>
>
> Gill, here is how I think the parliamentary system works.  Cameron
> resigns.  That precipitates an election for party leader amongst the
> conservatives.  If that goes smoothly, there is no election.  If that is
> bloody, and some faction of the Conservatives is willing to join Labor in a
> vote of no confidence, THAT will precipitate an election.
>
>
>
> Parliament is sovereign in the UK.  So, a new parliament could do anything
> it wanted, including, presumably, not leave the EU.
>
>
>
> I think that’s how it is.  I would love to be corrected.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com
> <friam-boun...@redfish.com>] *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2016 3:47 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England
>
>
>
> From what I heard David Cameron messed it up. He failed miserably. In
> order to get elected and to get rid of his right wing critics he promised
> the people this referendum where they can vote for or against the EU. If
> people had voted to remain in the EU it would have been a victory for him.
> It wasn't. He lost.
>
>
>
> Most of the "Brexit" voters voted against the EU because they are against
> immigrants and want to make Britain great again, much like Trump in US.
> Unfortunately it will not happen, the British Pound will drop, customs will
> raise and the UK will slide into a recession. EU funding for universities
> in the UK will stop. It looks pretty bad for Great Britain, as you can see
> in the reaction of the stock markets.
>
>
>
> TL;DR Cameron messed it up and everyone in Europe is a bit shocked about
> the result of the referendum.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Jochen
>
>
>
> Sent from my Tricorder
>
>
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: Gillian Densmore <gil.densm...@gmail.com>
>
> Date: 6/24/16 21:23 (GMT+01:00)
>
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
>
>
> Subject: [FRIAM] Anyone from England
>
>
>
> Care to speculate what's going on with this leave the EU thing?
>
>
>
> I can gues

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[Nick Thompson]

Thanks, frank.  I will look for that.  N

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 9:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

 

They're annoyed (pissed) but the latest news was that Merkel said "not so fast".

Frank Wimberly
Phone
(505) 670-9918

On Jun 25, 2016 7:30 PM, "Nick Thompson" <nickthomp...@earthlink.net 
<mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

Anybody –

 

I am sorry – my message confounded an internal conservative party election with 
a national parliamentary election.  The question I thought gill was asking was, 
“Shouldn’t this crisis lead to a dissolution of parliament?” The answer is, not 
unless a significant minority of the Conservative party votes against its new 
chosen leader.  

 

One surprising event today was the demand by EU leaders that the UK invoke 
article 50 immediately.  Does anybody know why they are doing that?  

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Nick Thompson [mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net 
<mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net> ] 
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 3:59 PM
To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <friam@redfish.com 
<mailto:friam@redfish.com> >
Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

 

Boy, Howdy, did Cameron Mess up!

 

So, he now loses his premiership to the right wing of his own party.  Scotland, 
and perhaps N. Ireland, will now opt out of the UK in a few years, leaving 
England a teensy libertarian paradise under Boris Johnson.  

 

Gill, here is how I think the parliamentary system works.  Cameron resigns.  
That precipitates an election for party leader amongst the conservatives.  If 
that goes smoothly, there is no election.  If that is bloody, and some faction 
of the Conservatives is willing to join Labor in a vote of no confidence, THAT 
will precipitate an election.  

 

Parliament is sovereign in the UK.  So, a new parliament could do anything it 
wanted, including, presumably, not leave the EU.  

 

I think that’s how it is.  I would love to be corrected. 

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 3:47 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com 
<mailto:friam@redfish.com> >
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

 

>From what I heard David Cameron messed it up. He failed miserably. In order to 
>get elected and to get rid of his right wing critics he promised the people 
>this referendum where they can vote for or against the EU. If people had voted 
>to remain in the EU it would have been a victory for him. It wasn't. He lost. 

 

Most of the "Brexit" voters voted against the EU because they are against 
immigrants and want to make Britain great again, much like Trump in US. 
Unfortunately it will not happen, the British Pound will drop, customs will 
raise and the UK will slide into a recession. EU funding for universities in 
the UK will stop. It looks pretty bad for Great Britain, as you can see in the 
reaction of the stock markets. 

 

TL;DR Cameron messed it up and everyone in Europe is a bit shocked about the 
result of the referendum.

 

Regards 

Jochen

 

Sent from my Tricorder

 

 Original message 

From: Gillian Densmore <gil.densm...@gmail.com <mailto:gil.densm...@gmail.com> 
> 

Date: 6/24/16 21:23 (GMT+01:00) 

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com 
<mailto:friam@redfish.com> > 

Subject: [FRIAM] Anyone from England 

 

Care to speculate what's going on with this leave the EU thing?

 

I can guess but I might be wrong, I suppose I thought while the EU comes across 
as a discuntional family. I didn't know drama between England and the rest of 
Europe was so bad that they'd want to leave.

 

places like telegraph aren't exactly helping matters:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-live-david-cameron-resigns-as-uk-shocks-the-world/

 

So anyone from England  have some opinions about what's going on?

Also as it is reported in America it's a close call of  48 to 50% unless I 
totally misunderstand parimentarian best practices I thought t

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[Frank Wimberly]

They're annoyed (pissed) but the latest news was that Merkel said "not so
fast".

Frank Wimberly
Phone
(505) 670-9918
On Jun 25, 2016 7:30 PM, "Nick Thompson" <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Anybody –
>
>
>
> I am sorry – my message confounded an internal conservative party election
> with a national parliamentary election.  The question I thought gill was
> asking was, “Shouldn’t this crisis lead to a dissolution of parliament?”
> The answer is, not unless a significant minority of the Conservative party
> votes against its new chosen leader.
>
>
>
> One surprising event today was the demand by EU leaders that the UK invoke
> article 50 immediately.  Does anybody know why they are doing that?
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>
> *From:* Nick Thompson [mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net]
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2016 3:59 PM
> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [FRIAM] Anyone from England
>
>
>
> Boy, Howdy, did Cameron Mess up!
>
>
>
> So, he now loses his premiership to the right wing of his own party.
> Scotland, and perhaps N. Ireland, will now opt out of the UK in a few
> years, leaving England a teensy libertarian paradise under Boris Johnson.
>
>
>
> Gill, here is how I think the parliamentary system works.  Cameron
> resigns.  That precipitates an election for party leader amongst the
> conservatives.  If that goes smoothly, there is no election.  If that is
> bloody, and some faction of the Conservatives is willing to join Labor in a
> vote of no confidence, THAT will precipitate an election.
>
>
>
> Parliament is sovereign in the UK.  So, a new parliament could do anything
> it wanted, including, presumably, not leave the EU.
>
>
>
> I think that’s how it is.  I would love to be corrected.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com
> <friam-boun...@redfish.com>] *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2016 3:47 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England
>
>
>
> From what I heard David Cameron messed it up. He failed miserably. In
> order to get elected and to get rid of his right wing critics he promised
> the people this referendum where they can vote for or against the EU. If
> people had voted to remain in the EU it would have been a victory for him.
> It wasn't. He lost.
>
>
>
> Most of the "Brexit" voters voted against the EU because they are against
> immigrants and want to make Britain great again, much like Trump in US.
> Unfortunately it will not happen, the British Pound will drop, customs will
> raise and the UK will slide into a recession. EU funding for universities
> in the UK will stop. It looks pretty bad for Great Britain, as you can see
> in the reaction of the stock markets.
>
>
>
> TL;DR Cameron messed it up and everyone in Europe is a bit shocked about
> the result of the referendum.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Jochen
>
>
>
> Sent from my Tricorder
>
>
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: Gillian Densmore <gil.densm...@gmail.com>
>
> Date: 6/24/16 21:23 (GMT+01:00)
>
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
>
>
> Subject: [FRIAM] Anyone from England
>
>
>
> Care to speculate what's going on with this leave the EU thing?
>
>
>
> I can guess but I might be wrong, I suppose I thought while the EU comes
> across as a discuntional family. I didn't know drama between England and
> the rest of Europe was so bad that they'd want to leave.
>
>
>
> places like telegraph aren't exactly helping matters:
>
>
>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-live-david-cameron-resigns-as-uk-shocks-the-world/
>
>
>
> So anyone from England  have some opinions about what's going on?
>
> Also as it is reported in America it's a close call of  48 to 50% unless I
> totally misunderstand parimentarian best practices I thought that's when
> they called for another vote or a simple majority?
>
> Or am I wrong?
>
> More importantly can I still move there if a 

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[Nick Thompson]

Anybody –

 

I am sorry – my message confounded an internal conservative party election with 
a national parliamentary election.  The question I thought gill was asking was, 
“Shouldn’t this crisis lead to a dissolution of parliament?” The answer is, not 
unless a significant minority of the Conservative party votes against its new 
chosen leader.  

 

One surprising event today was the demand by EU leaders that the UK invoke 
article 50 immediately.  Does anybody know why they are doing that?  

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Nick Thompson [mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 3:59 PM
To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

 

Boy, Howdy, did Cameron Mess up!

 

So, he now loses his premiership to the right wing of his own party.  Scotland, 
and perhaps N. Ireland, will now opt out of the UK in a few years, leaving 
England a teensy libertarian paradise under Boris Johnson.  

 

Gill, here is how I think the parliamentary system works.  Cameron resigns.  
That precipitates an election for party leader amongst the conservatives.  If 
that goes smoothly, there is no election.  If that is bloody, and some faction 
of the Conservatives is willing to join Labor in a vote of no confidence, THAT 
will precipitate an election.  

 

Parliament is sovereign in the UK.  So, a new parliament could do anything it 
wanted, including, presumably, not leave the EU.  

 

I think that’s how it is.  I would love to be corrected. 

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 3:47 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com 
<mailto:friam@redfish.com> >
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

 

>From what I heard David Cameron messed it up. He failed miserably. In order to 
>get elected and to get rid of his right wing critics he promised the people 
>this referendum where they can vote for or against the EU. If people had voted 
>to remain in the EU it would have been a victory for him. It wasn't. He lost. 

 

Most of the "Brexit" voters voted against the EU because they are against 
immigrants and want to make Britain great again, much like Trump in US. 
Unfortunately it will not happen, the British Pound will drop, customs will 
raise and the UK will slide into a recession. EU funding for universities in 
the UK will stop. It looks pretty bad for Great Britain, as you can see in the 
reaction of the stock markets. 

 

TL;DR Cameron messed it up and everyone in Europe is a bit shocked about the 
result of the referendum.

 

Regards 

Jochen

 

Sent from my Tricorder

 

 Original message 

From: Gillian Densmore <gil.densm...@gmail.com <mailto:gil.densm...@gmail.com> 
> 

Date: 6/24/16 21:23 (GMT+01:00) 

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com 
<mailto:friam@redfish.com> > 

Subject: [FRIAM] Anyone from England 

 

Care to speculate what's going on with this leave the EU thing?

 

I can guess but I might be wrong, I suppose I thought while the EU comes across 
as a discuntional family. I didn't know drama between England and the rest of 
Europe was so bad that they'd want to leave.

 

places like telegraph aren't exactly helping matters:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-live-david-cameron-resigns-as-uk-shocks-the-world/

 

So anyone from England  have some opinions about what's going on?

Also as it is reported in America it's a close call of  48 to 50% unless I 
totally misunderstand parimentarian best practices I thought that's when they 
called for another vote or a simple majority?

Or am I wrong?

More importantly can I still move there if a certain delusional Sith think's he 
can do some good?not a sith lord, just a sith, he's got all the makings of a 
sith, just not a good one. 

:P

 

How's the beer and weather?

Where's a good place to live?

 

Anyway I hope all everyone has a day full of glory!

MUCH MERRIMENT AND REVELRY!

 

 


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Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[Steven A Smith]

Our colleagues, Matt and Janire just skyped me up yesterday and were 
quite concerned about the implications for them...


Matt is from the UK, Janire from Spain, and they both attended 
University in Wales and have been doing good business throughout 
UK/EU/etc without any friction, thanks to the UK participation in the 
EU.   They are now very concerned that they will be significantly 
constrained by the new situation.


They are also very unhappy with the general right-wing knee-jerk in 
progress (from their perspective) that htey feel rivals our own "Trumped 
up" stuff.


INteresting times!

On 6/25/16 2:39 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
From what I've read, young people overwhelmingly voted to stay. 
Unfortunately, if the exit is indeed bad from Great Britain, those 
same young people have to live with the consequences for the longest. 
Sometimes, I think that people should be given more than one vote, the 
number of votes being inversely proportional to age. Of course, that 
devalues any wisdom that may have accumulated by living long (perhaps 
not displayed in this vote). In any case, I hope they do decide to 
have a second referendum, following an open, vigorous debate on the 
issues that divide the people.


On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com 
<mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote:


According to Ali Velshi on CNN, people voted "leave" to express
their anger (elites, immigration, economy) without actually
understanding what they were voting for.  The London Times
published a list of the consequences and now over 2 million people
have signed a petition calling for a revote.

Frank

Frank Wimberly
Phone
(505) 670-9918

On Jun 25, 2016 1:59 PM, "Nick Thompson"
<nickthomp...@earthlink.net <mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net>>
wrote:

Boy, Howdy, did Cameron Mess up!

So, he now loses his premiership to the right wing of his own
party.  Scotland, and perhaps N. Ireland, will now opt out of
the UK in a few years, leaving England a teensy libertarian
paradise under Boris Johnson.

Gill, here is how I think the parliamentary system works. 
Cameron resigns.  That precipitates an election for party

leader amongst the conservatives.  If that goes smoothly,
there is no election.  If that is bloody, and some faction of
the Conservatives is willing to join Labor in a vote of no
confidence, THAT will precipitate an election.

Parliament is sovereign in the UK.  So, a new parliament could
do anything it wanted, including, presumably, not leave the EU.

I think that’s how it is.  I would love to be corrected.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
<http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/>

*From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com
<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm
*Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2016 3:47 AM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
<friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

From what I heard David Cameron messed it up. He failed
miserably. In order to get elected and to get rid of his right
wing critics he promised the people this referendum where they
can vote for or against the EU. If people had voted to remain
in the EU it would have been a victory for him. It wasn't. He
lost.

Most of the "Brexit" voters voted against the EU because they
are against immigrants and want to make Britain great again,
much like Trump in US. Unfortunately it will not happen, the
British Pound will drop, customs will raise and the UK will
slide into a recession. EU funding for universities in the UK
will stop. It looks pretty bad for Great Britain, as you can
see in the reaction of the stock markets.

TL;DR Cameron messed it up and everyone in Europe is a bit
shocked about the result of the referendum.

Regards

Jochen

Sent from my Tricorder

 Original message 

From: Gillian Densmore <gil.densm...@gmail.com
<mailto:gil.densm...@gmail.com>>

Date: 6/24/16 21:23 (GMT+01:00)

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
<friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com>>

Subject: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

Care to speculate what's going on with this leave the EU thing?

I can guess but I might be wrong, I suppose I thought while
the EU comes across as a discuntiona

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[Gary Schiltz]

>From what I've read, young people overwhelmingly voted to stay.
Unfortunately, if the exit is indeed bad from Great Britain, those same
young people have to live with the consequences for the longest. Sometimes,
I think that people should be given more than one vote, the number of votes
being inversely proportional to age. Of course, that devalues any wisdom
that may have accumulated by living long (perhaps not displayed in this
vote). In any case, I hope they do decide to have a second referendum,
following an open, vigorous debate on the issues that divide the people.

On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> wrote:

> According to Ali Velshi on CNN, people voted "leave" to express their
> anger (elites, immigration, economy) without actually understanding what
> they were voting for.  The London Times published a list of the
> consequences and now over 2 million people have signed a petition calling
> for a revote.
>
> Frank
>
> Frank Wimberly
> Phone
> (505) 670-9918
> On Jun 25, 2016 1:59 PM, "Nick Thompson" <nickthomp...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Boy, Howdy, did Cameron Mess up!
>>
>>
>>
>> So, he now loses his premiership to the right wing of his own party.
>> Scotland, and perhaps N. Ireland, will now opt out of the UK in a few
>> years, leaving England a teensy libertarian paradise under Boris Johnson.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gill, here is how I think the parliamentary system works.  Cameron
>> resigns.  That precipitates an election for party leader amongst the
>> conservatives.  If that goes smoothly, there is no election.  If that is
>> bloody, and some faction of the Conservatives is willing to join Labor in a
>> vote of no confidence, THAT will precipitate an election.
>>
>>
>>
>> Parliament is sovereign in the UK.  So, a new parliament could do
>> anything it wanted, including, presumably, not leave the EU.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think that’s how it is.  I would love to be corrected.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>>
>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Jochen
>> Fromm
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2016 3:47 AM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam@redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England
>>
>>
>>
>> From what I heard David Cameron messed it up. He failed miserably. In
>> order to get elected and to get rid of his right wing critics he promised
>> the people this referendum where they can vote for or against the EU. If
>> people had voted to remain in the EU it would have been a victory for him.
>> It wasn't. He lost.
>>
>>
>>
>> Most of the "Brexit" voters voted against the EU because they are against
>> immigrants and want to make Britain great again, much like Trump in US.
>> Unfortunately it will not happen, the British Pound will drop, customs will
>> raise and the UK will slide into a recession. EU funding for universities
>> in the UK will stop. It looks pretty bad for Great Britain, as you can see
>> in the reaction of the stock markets.
>>
>>
>>
>> TL;DR Cameron messed it up and everyone in Europe is a bit shocked about
>> the result of the referendum.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Jochen
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Tricorder
>>
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>>
>> From: Gillian Densmore <gil.densm...@gmail.com>
>>
>> Date: 6/24/16 21:23 (GMT+01:00)
>>
>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
>>
>>
>> Subject: [FRIAM] Anyone from England
>>
>>
>>
>> Care to speculate what's going on with this leave the EU thing?
>>
>>
>>
>> I can guess but I might be wrong, I suppose I thought while the EU comes
>> across as a discuntional family. I didn't know drama between England and
>> the rest of Europe was so bad that they'd want to leave.
>>
>>
>>
>> places like telegraph aren't exactly helping matters:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-live-david-cameron-resigns-as-uk-shocks-the-world/
>>
>>
>>
>> So anyone from England  have some opinions about what's going on?
>>
>>

Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[Frank Wimberly]

According to Ali Velshi on CNN, people voted "leave" to express their anger
(elites, immigration, economy) without actually understanding what they
were voting for.  The London Times published a list of the consequences and
now over 2 million people have signed a petition calling for a revote.

Frank

Frank Wimberly
Phone
(505) 670-9918
On Jun 25, 2016 1:59 PM, "Nick Thompson" <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Boy, Howdy, did Cameron Mess up!
>
>
>
> So, he now loses his premiership to the right wing of his own party.
> Scotland, and perhaps N. Ireland, will now opt out of the UK in a few
> years, leaving England a teensy libertarian paradise under Boris Johnson.
>
>
>
> Gill, here is how I think the parliamentary system works.  Cameron
> resigns.  That precipitates an election for party leader amongst the
> conservatives.  If that goes smoothly, there is no election.  If that is
> bloody, and some faction of the Conservatives is willing to join Labor in a
> vote of no confidence, THAT will precipitate an election.
>
>
>
> Parliament is sovereign in the UK.  So, a new parliament could do anything
> it wanted, including, presumably, not leave the EU.
>
>
>
> I think that’s how it is.  I would love to be corrected.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Jochen
> Fromm
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2016 3:47 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England
>
>
>
> From what I heard David Cameron messed it up. He failed miserably. In
> order to get elected and to get rid of his right wing critics he promised
> the people this referendum where they can vote for or against the EU. If
> people had voted to remain in the EU it would have been a victory for him.
> It wasn't. He lost.
>
>
>
> Most of the "Brexit" voters voted against the EU because they are against
> immigrants and want to make Britain great again, much like Trump in US.
> Unfortunately it will not happen, the British Pound will drop, customs will
> raise and the UK will slide into a recession. EU funding for universities
> in the UK will stop. It looks pretty bad for Great Britain, as you can see
> in the reaction of the stock markets.
>
>
>
> TL;DR Cameron messed it up and everyone in Europe is a bit shocked about
> the result of the referendum.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Jochen
>
>
>
> Sent from my Tricorder
>
>
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: Gillian Densmore <gil.densm...@gmail.com>
>
> Date: 6/24/16 21:23 (GMT+01:00)
>
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
>
>
> Subject: [FRIAM] Anyone from England
>
>
>
> Care to speculate what's going on with this leave the EU thing?
>
>
>
> I can guess but I might be wrong, I suppose I thought while the EU comes
> across as a discuntional family. I didn't know drama between England and
> the rest of Europe was so bad that they'd want to leave.
>
>
>
> places like telegraph aren't exactly helping matters:
>
>
>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-live-david-cameron-resigns-as-uk-shocks-the-world/
>
>
>
> So anyone from England  have some opinions about what's going on?
>
> Also as it is reported in America it's a close call of  48 to 50% unless I
> totally misunderstand parimentarian best practices I thought that's when
> they called for another vote or a simple majority?
>
> Or am I wrong?
>
> More importantly can I still move there if a certain delusional Sith
> think's he can do some good?not a sith lord, just a sith, he's got all the
> makings of a sith, just not a good one.
>
> :P
>
>
>
> How's the beer and weather?
>
> Where's a good place to live?
>
>
>
> Anyway I hope all everyone has a day full of glory!
>
> MUCH MERRIMENT AND REVELRY!
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[Nick Thompson]

Boy, Howdy, did Cameron Mess up!

 

So, he now loses his premiership to the right wing of his own party.  Scotland, 
and perhaps N. Ireland, will now opt out of the UK in a few years, leaving 
England a teensy libertarian paradise under Boris Johnson.  

 

Gill, here is how I think the parliamentary system works.  Cameron resigns.  
That precipitates an election for party leader amongst the conservatives.  If 
that goes smoothly, there is no election.  If that is bloody, and some faction 
of the Conservatives is willing to join Labor in a vote of no confidence, THAT 
will precipitate an election.  

 

Parliament is sovereign in the UK.  So, a new parliament could do anything it 
wanted, including, presumably, not leave the EU.  

 

I think that’s how it is.  I would love to be corrected. 

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 3:47 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

 

>From what I heard David Cameron messed it up. He failed miserably. In order to 
>get elected and to get rid of his right wing critics he promised the people 
>this referendum where they can vote for or against the EU. If people had voted 
>to remain in the EU it would have been a victory for him. It wasn't. He lost. 

 

Most of the "Brexit" voters voted against the EU because they are against 
immigrants and want to make Britain great again, much like Trump in US. 
Unfortunately it will not happen, the British Pound will drop, customs will 
raise and the UK will slide into a recession. EU funding for universities in 
the UK will stop. It looks pretty bad for Great Britain, as you can see in the 
reaction of the stock markets. 

 

TL;DR Cameron messed it up and everyone in Europe is a bit shocked about the 
result of the referendum.

 

Regards 

Jochen

 

Sent from my Tricorder

 

 Original message 

From: Gillian Densmore <gil.densm...@gmail.com <mailto:gil.densm...@gmail.com> 
> 

Date: 6/24/16 21:23 (GMT+01:00) 

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com 
<mailto:friam@redfish.com> > 

Subject: [FRIAM] Anyone from England 

 

Care to speculate what's going on with this leave the EU thing?

 

I can guess but I might be wrong, I suppose I thought while the EU comes across 
as a discuntional family. I didn't know drama between England and the rest of 
Europe was so bad that they'd want to leave.

 

places like telegraph aren't exactly helping matters:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-live-david-cameron-resigns-as-uk-shocks-the-world/

 

So anyone from England  have some opinions about what's going on?

Also as it is reported in America it's a close call of  48 to 50% unless I 
totally misunderstand parimentarian best practices I thought that's when they 
called for another vote or a simple majority?

Or am I wrong?

More importantly can I still move there if a certain delusional Sith think's he 
can do some good?not a sith lord, just a sith, he's got all the makings of a 
sith, just not a good one. 

:P

 

How's the beer and weather?

Where's a good place to live?

 

Anyway I hope all everyone has a day full of glory!

MUCH MERRIMENT AND REVELRY!

 

 


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Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Keiser, Herbert and his guest analysed Brexit in a very interesting way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSTEACxuEmM


On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Gillian Densmore 
wrote:

> Care to speculate what's going on with this leave the EU thing?
>
> I can guess but I might be wrong, I suppose I thought while the EU comes
> across as a discuntional family. I didn't know drama between England and
> the rest of Europe was so bad that they'd want to leave.
>
> places like telegraph aren't exactly helping matters:
>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-live-david-cameron-resigns-as-uk-shocks-the-world/
>
> So anyone from England  have some opinions about what's going on?
> Also as it is reported in America it's a close call of  48 to 50% unless I
> totally misunderstand parimentarian best practices I thought that's when
> they called for another vote or a simple majority?
> Or am I wrong?
> More importantly can I still move there if a certain delusional Sith
> think's he can do some good?not a sith lord, just a sith, he's got all the
> makings of a sith, just not a good one.
> :P
>
> How's the beer and weather?
> Where's a good place to live?
>
> Anyway I hope all everyone has a day full of glory!
> MUCH MERRIMENT AND REVELRY!
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[Jochen Fromm]

From what I heard David Cameron messed it up. He failed miserably. In order to 
get elected and to get rid of his right wing critics he promised the people 
this referendum where they can vote for or against the EU. If people had voted 
to remain in the EU it would have been a victory for him. It wasn't. He lost. 
Most of the "Brexit" voters voted against the EU because they are against 
immigrants and want to make Britain great again, much like Trump in US. 
Unfortunately it will not happen, the British Pound will drop, customs will 
raise and the UK will slide into a recession. EU funding for universities in 
the UK will stop. It looks pretty bad for Great Britain, as you can see in the 
reaction of the stock markets. 
TL;DR Cameron messed it up and everyone in Europe is a bit shocked about the 
result of the referendum.
Regards Jochen
Sent from my Tricorder
 Original message From: Gillian Densmore 
<gil.densm...@gmail.com> Date: 6/24/16  21:23  (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday 
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: [FRIAM] 
Anyone from England 
Care to speculate what's going on with this leave the EU thing?
I can guess but I might be wrong, I suppose I thought while the EU comes across 
as a discuntional family. I didn't know drama between England and the rest of 
Europe was so bad that they'd want to leave.
places like telegraph aren't exactly helping matters:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-live-david-cameron-resigns-as-uk-shocks-the-world/

So anyone from England  have some opinions about what's going on?Also as it is 
reported in America it's a close call of  48 to 50% unless I totally 
misunderstand parimentarian best practices I thought that's when they called 
for another vote or a simple majority?Or am I wrong?More importantly can I 
still move there if a certain delusional Sith think's he can do some good?not a 
sith lord, just a sith, he's got all the makings of a sith, just not a good 
one. :P
How's the beer and weather?Where's a good place to live?
Anyway I hope all everyone has a day full of glory!MUCH MERRIMENT AND REVELRY!



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[FRIAM] Anyone from England

[Gillian Densmore]

Care to speculate what's going on with this leave the EU thing?

I can guess but I might be wrong, I suppose I thought while the EU comes
across as a discuntional family. I didn't know drama between England and
the rest of Europe was so bad that they'd want to leave.

places like telegraph aren't exactly helping matters:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-live-david-cameron-resigns-as-uk-shocks-the-world/

So anyone from England  have some opinions about what's going on?
Also as it is reported in America it's a close call of  48 to 50% unless I
totally misunderstand parimentarian best practices I thought that's when
they called for another vote or a simple majority?
Or am I wrong?
More importantly can I still move there if a certain delusional Sith
think's he can do some good?not a sith lord, just a sith, he's got all the
makings of a sith, just not a good one.
:P

How's the beer and weather?
Where's a good place to live?

Anyway I hope all everyone has a day full of glory!
MUCH MERRIMENT AND REVELRY!

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