Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
Did you mean http://research.sun.com/projects/lively/ ? -- Russ On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Prof David West wrote: > > > if you like javascript - check out http://research.sun.com/lively/ > > morphic in javascript = flash, ajax, and more - full desktop app > functionality in a Web browser without additional plugins since it is > all available via javascript. > > dave west > > > On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 17:03:54 -0700, "Owen Densmore" > said: > > [I realize this is a bit OT because we were targeting desktop > > scripting, but given the javascript solution, drifting into the "web" > > with both client and server side programming, I thought it would be OK > > to diverge a bit.] > > > > Well, if the Browser is the Computer, one of the issues I've run into > > is multiple languages: one on the server, and another on the browser. > > Java was popular because you could use the same language on both > > sides: servlets and applets. > > > > But there is yet another javascript rebirth going on: server-side > > javascript. John Guerin pointed this out to Steve and me while we > > were working with the Google App Engine, and I was kvetching about > > having to deal with javascript in the client (google maps, primarily) > > and python/django on the server. > > > > Jaxer is the critter that pulls off this magic. > >http://www.aptana.com/jaxer > >http://ejohn.org/blog/server-side-javascript-with-jaxer/ > > I've never liked most of the server-side solutions, they were just too > > ugly. Php for example was really designed as a "web shell", not a > > full featured language (IMHO). But Javascript is a nifty enough > > language that having on both sides of the wire is compelling. > > > > And Aptana is another alternative to Google App Engine and Amazon EC2, > > and considerably cheaper than the latter. > > > > I haven't used it yet, so would love to hear of other folks' > > experience with jaxer and server-side javascript. > > > > -- Owen > > > > > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
if you like javascript - check out http://research.sun.com/lively/ morphic in javascript = flash, ajax, and more - full desktop app functionality in a Web browser without additional plugins since it is all available via javascript. dave west On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 17:03:54 -0700, "Owen Densmore" said: > [I realize this is a bit OT because we were targeting desktop > scripting, but given the javascript solution, drifting into the "web" > with both client and server side programming, I thought it would be OK > to diverge a bit.] > > Well, if the Browser is the Computer, one of the issues I've run into > is multiple languages: one on the server, and another on the browser. > Java was popular because you could use the same language on both > sides: servlets and applets. > > But there is yet another javascript rebirth going on: server-side > javascript. John Guerin pointed this out to Steve and me while we > were working with the Google App Engine, and I was kvetching about > having to deal with javascript in the client (google maps, primarily) > and python/django on the server. > > Jaxer is the critter that pulls off this magic. >http://www.aptana.com/jaxer >http://ejohn.org/blog/server-side-javascript-with-jaxer/ > I've never liked most of the server-side solutions, they were just too > ugly. Php for example was really designed as a "web shell", not a > full featured language (IMHO). But Javascript is a nifty enough > language that having on both sides of the wire is compelling. > > And Aptana is another alternative to Google App Engine and Amazon EC2, > and considerably cheaper than the latter. > > I haven't used it yet, so would love to hear of other folks' > experience with jaxer and server-side javascript. > > -- Owen > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
Owen Densmore wrote: Jaxer is the critter that pulls off this magic. http://www.aptana.com/jaxer I see a copy of the Mozilla source tree is in their source distribution. That worries me a little. How many modifications have they had to make and maintain?But I think the idea is right on -- the Mozilla framework as an Apache plugin. Just change the `runat' attribute to say where you want the code to run. Great. Marcus FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
[I realize this is a bit OT because we were targeting desktop scripting, but given the javascript solution, drifting into the "web" with both client and server side programming, I thought it would be OK to diverge a bit.] Well, if the Browser is the Computer, one of the issues I've run into is multiple languages: one on the server, and another on the browser. Java was popular because you could use the same language on both sides: servlets and applets. But there is yet another javascript rebirth going on: server-side javascript. John Guerin pointed this out to Steve and me while we were working with the Google App Engine, and I was kvetching about having to deal with javascript in the client (google maps, primarily) and python/django on the server. Jaxer is the critter that pulls off this magic. http://www.aptana.com/jaxer http://ejohn.org/blog/server-side-javascript-with-jaxer/ I've never liked most of the server-side solutions, they were just too ugly. Php for example was really designed as a "web shell", not a full featured language (IMHO). But Javascript is a nifty enough language that having on both sides of the wire is compelling. And Aptana is another alternative to Google App Engine and Amazon EC2, and considerably cheaper than the latter. I haven't used it yet, so would love to hear of other folks' experience with jaxer and server-side javascript. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
rob...@cirrillian.com wrote: Beware of "the assumption that the browser has a fully dynamic DOM with methods such as |document.createElement|, |replaceChild| and |appendChild|. Browsers do not live up to that expectation, some are not that dynamic and while they may implement some of the Core DOM level 1 methods such as |getElementById| They do not necessarily implement large parts of the various DOM standards, including all of the dynamic |Node| manipulation methods." Well, Firefox does, Safari does, and reasonably recent version of IE do. The only way to force others to repent (or go away quietly) is for everyone to start using the latest and greatest web standards. Not talking DOM here, I'm mean SVG, Canvas, video tags, high performance JavaScript, and the things that can make the web a decent application platform. If people won't do that, then sooner or later Microsoft .NET will rule (and in this scenario they probably should). Marcus FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
For universal browser implementation one may have to check what DOM is available: getElementById and others used may not always be available. From a discussion on browser sniffing (bad) and what to do about it at: http://jibbering.com/faq/faq_notes/not_browser_detect.html#bdFD Beware of "the assumption that the browser has a fully dynamic DOM with methods such as document.createElement, replaceChild and appendChild. Browsers do not live up to that expectation, some are not that dynamic and while they may implement some of the Core DOM level 1 methods such as getElementById They do not necessarily implement large parts of the various DOM standards, including all of the dynamic Node manipulation methods." Robert C -Original Message- From: Dale Schumacher [mailto:dale.schumac...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 03:44 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer? When I was facing a similar problem--sharing a platform neutralprogram--I also turned to Javascript. In my case, we wanted a lotterynumber picker that could be projected from anyone's laptop during ameeting. I created a single-file HTML/Javascript application(attached) that could be simply opened from the filesystem in anybrowser. Normally I would put the Javascript and CSS is separatefiles, but it's all embedded in HTML to make the whole thingself-contained.> On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:>> On Dec 29, 2008, at 11:03 AM, James Steiner wrote:>>> I vote for javascript... it seems that your script is not going to be>>> doing anything that should bump up against a cross-platform issue...>>> It's just text input, processing, text-output... what could be>>> simpler? For any of the tricky (e.g. display, event, css box model)>>> platform quirty stuff, use a framework like jQuery.>>>> I'm glad I asked the question. Clearly javascript is the most ubiquitous>> script language, although hidden within the browser. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
When I was facing a similar problem--sharing a platform neutral program--I also turned to Javascript. In my case, we wanted a lottery number picker that could be projected from anyone's laptop during a meeting. I created a single-file HTML/Javascript application (attached) that could be simply opened from the filesystem in any browser. Normally I would put the Javascript and CSS is separate files, but it's all embedded in HTML to make the whole thing self-contained. > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: >> On Dec 29, 2008, at 11:03 AM, James Steiner wrote: >>> I vote for javascript... it seems that your script is not going to be >>> doing anything that should bump up against a cross-platform issue... >>> It's just text input, processing, text-output... what could be >>> simpler? For any of the tricky (e.g. display, event, css box model) >>> platform quirty stuff, use a framework like jQuery. >> >> I'm glad I asked the question. Clearly javascript is the most ubiquitous >> script language, although hidden within the browser. Title: Agile Austin - Lottery Agile Austin Lottery Drawing Low High Spin Histogram FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
Great point, Owen. Perhaps we are too old to have thought of that initially. But now that you mention it, posting your app/document/service/code/etc. is almost certainly the way to go. That's where we are all coming to live anyway. Will any future system survive if it isn't web accessible and available from anywhere? Probably not. I rarely attach my papers to messages any more. I post them on a wiki and link to them. So that's the solution. Expect that anyone will be able to access your offering as long as it's web accessible from a standard browser. -- Russ On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > On Dec 29, 2008, at 11:03 AM, James Steiner wrote: > >> >> I vote for javascript... it seems that your script is not going to be >> doing anything that should bump up against a cross-platform issue... >> It's just text input, processing, text-output... what could be >> simpler? For any of the tricky (e.g. display, event, css box model) >> platform quirty stuff, use a framework like jQuery. >> > > I'm glad I asked the question. Clearly javascript is the most ubiquitous > script language, although hidden within the browser. > > So the browser replaces the command-line! That has the advantage of coming > with a window system as well, which python, perl, ruby, .. lack unless they > use the "J" versions (jython, jruby, ..) which can use Java's window system > and UI toolkits. > > I have to say this is a surprise but obvious enough once you really > consider the alternatives. > > I'm wondering if this really means we might as well use a hosting service > or cloud system to deliver all our programs at this point. I mean its nice > that you can download Russ's nifty stunt and run it locally, but would most > folks prefer the web hosted solution to start with? That has the additional > advantage that you can use any scripting language you'd like: Java (Either > servlets or applets), Python, PHP etc .. all on the server. > > So from a simple scripting question we arrive at the observation that your > computer is pretty useless for sharing even the simplest programs, so might > as well use the browser, and just as easily, a hosted solution with all the > languages you'd like. > > Sneaky! > >-- Owen > > PS: Steve -- This does prove the deployment problem is real and the web > solution best. > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
On Dec 29, 2008, at 11:03 AM, James Steiner wrote: I vote for javascript... it seems that your script is not going to be doing anything that should bump up against a cross-platform issue... It's just text input, processing, text-output... what could be simpler? For any of the tricky (e.g. display, event, css box model) platform quirty stuff, use a framework like jQuery. I'm glad I asked the question. Clearly javascript is the most ubiquitous script language, although hidden within the browser. So the browser replaces the command-line! That has the advantage of coming with a window system as well, which python, perl, ruby, .. lack unless they use the "J" versions (jython, jruby, ..) which can use Java's window system and UI toolkits. I have to say this is a surprise but obvious enough once you really consider the alternatives. I'm wondering if this really means we might as well use a hosting service or cloud system to deliver all our programs at this point. I mean its nice that you can download Russ's nifty stunt and run it locally, but would most folks prefer the web hosted solution to start with? That has the additional advantage that you can use any scripting language you'd like: Java (Either servlets or applets), Python, PHP etc .. all on the server. So from a simple scripting question we arrive at the observation that your computer is pretty useless for sharing even the simplest programs, so might as well use the browser, and just as easily, a hosted solution with all the languages you'd like. Sneaky! -- Owen PS: Steve -- This does prove the deployment problem is real and the web solution best. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
I'll pitch in: I have (but don't necessarily use): DOS 7 (with default command line enhancements it's actually useful) Kixtart Auto-Hotkey PHP NetLogo Javascript VB_ Lotus 1-2-3 macro language Q-Basic I have actually used netlogo for certain simple text-massaging problems--not the best, but easy and handy and I don't know perl. I vote for javascript... it seems that your script is not going to be doing anything that should bump up against a cross-platform issue... It's just text input, processing, text-output... what could be simpler? For any of the tricky (e.g. display, event, css box model) platform quirty stuff, use a framework like jQuery. ~~James FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
Russ, Marcus: Thanks for yet another push for me hussle javascript a bit more. This is a good reminder as to why javascript is so cool: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/A_re-introduction_to_JavaScript I found a great book as well: "Javascript, the Good Parts" .. here's video from the author: http://video.yahoo.com/watch/630959/2974197 He's great at leading us beyond the pitfalls of js. -- Owen On Dec 27, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: Owen Densmore wrote: BUT: the pipe paradigm of unix shells allows you to have the input be a file and the output to be piped into a file or another program. The browser can be used as a hierarchical blackboard (the DOM) between a producer and a consumer while JavaScript 1.7's `yield' can switch back and forth between threads of control (like a pipe). Further, http and xml can be used to read and write objects in favor of flat files. https://developer.mozilla.org/en/New_in_JavaScript_1.7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMLHttpRequest FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
There is still the issue of Javascript implementation portability. You
can't count on each vendor adhering to standards. If you are lucky, the
code that you want to implement will run on all browsers. Worst case, you
will have to sniff the OS & browser and branch accordingly. It is a lot
more work, which is why you still see sites advertising "IE Explorer only".
Like my company, for example. The time entry system breaks with Firefox,
only works with IE. Once the maintainers of that system realized this, they
put browser sniffers in which would warn the user that only IE would work.
At least they didn't put in blocking code.
--Doug
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Russ Abbott wrote:
> An interesting feature of this thread is that at first I thought you were
> after "the best" scripting language or something like that. When I finally
> understood that what you wanted really was the most widely accessible
> scripting language, the question took on a completely different meaning. It
> changed from being a discussion of scripting languages as such to the more
> practical question of how to distribute some functionality as widely and
> effortlessly as possible.
>
> -- Russ
>
> On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Russ Abbott wrote:
>
>> Before sending that script I looked for a way for JavaScript to access the
>> local file system. I couldn't find one. Sorry. But that doesn't mean there
>> isn't one.
>>
>> -- Russ
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>
>>> I *like* it! Probably the most universal, and can even be run locally.
>>> Possibly even as a bookmarklet. And luckily for all of us, the DOM
>>> standards let javascript access user input in a fairly elegant way.
>>>
>>> BUT: the pipe paradigm of unix shells allows you to have the input be a
>>> file and the output to be piped into a file or another program. Our browser
>>> approach only lets us use literal text in and out. No big deal, but I
>>> wonder if there's a hack to get directly at the javascript language within
>>> the browser, and to use it like a command line command.
>>>
>>> I think, however, your answer is likely the winner.
>>>
>>>-- Owen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 27, 2008, at 8:01 PM, Russ Abbott wrote:
>>>
>>> JavaScript sure seems like a simple solution. Here's a primitive
version of
one possibility.
function transform(input) {
output.value = "transformed version of:\n" + input;
}
Copy the text to be translated into this text area and press "Go". >>> />
>>> onclick="transform(document.getElementById('input').value);" />
-- Russ
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Owen Densmore
wrote:
On Dec 27, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
>
>
>> What language could I write a script in (no graphics, simply text in,
>>
>>> text out) that would run on all the computers used by Friam folks?
>>>
>>>
>> Javascript!
>>
>>
> Well, it is certainly lurking on all of our systems that have a
> browser,
> that's for sure! But if I just send folks a javascript file, how are
> they
> to execute it, and how are they to specify stdin/out?
>
> I really am serious here: I'd like to know which scripting language and
> runtime is reasonably likely to be on our systems. Its pretty grim if
> there's not a reasonable answer!
>
> The specific stunt I'm looking at takes a text file in, and converts it
> to
> morse code. Also the reverse, take in morse code and translate it to
> ascii.
> Dead simple and kinda fun. But to share it with others, I'd like a
> script
> that could work on most systems.
>
> -- Owen
>
>
>
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
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>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
Owen Densmore wrote: BUT: the pipe paradigm of unix shells allows you to have the input be a file and the output to be piped into a file or another program. The browser can be used as a hierarchical blackboard (the DOM) between a producer and a consumer while JavaScript 1.7's `yield' can switch back and forth between threads of control (like a pipe). Further, http and xml can be used to read and write objects in favor of flat files. https://developer.mozilla.org/en/New_in_JavaScript_1.7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMLHttpRequest FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
An interesting feature of this thread is that at first I thought you were
after "the best" scripting language or something like that. When I finally
understood that what you wanted really was the most widely accessible
scripting language, the question took on a completely different meaning. It
changed from being a discussion of scripting languages as such to the more
practical question of how to distribute some functionality as widely and
effortlessly as possible.
-- Russ
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Russ Abbott wrote:
> Before sending that script I looked for a way for JavaScript to access the
> local file system. I couldn't find one. Sorry. But that doesn't mean there
> isn't one.
>
> -- Russ
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>
>> I *like* it! Probably the most universal, and can even be run locally.
>> Possibly even as a bookmarklet. And luckily for all of us, the DOM
>> standards let javascript access user input in a fairly elegant way.
>>
>> BUT: the pipe paradigm of unix shells allows you to have the input be a
>> file and the output to be piped into a file or another program. Our browser
>> approach only lets us use literal text in and out. No big deal, but I
>> wonder if there's a hack to get directly at the javascript language within
>> the browser, and to use it like a command line command.
>>
>> I think, however, your answer is likely the winner.
>>
>>-- Owen
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2008, at 8:01 PM, Russ Abbott wrote:
>>
>> JavaScript sure seems like a simple solution. Here's a primitive version
>>> of
>>> one possibility.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> function transform(input) {
>>> output.value = "transformed version of:\n" + input;
>>> }
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Copy the text to be translated into this text area and press "Go".
>>>
>>> >> onclick="transform(document.getElementById('input').value);" />
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Russ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Owen Densmore
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Dec 27, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
> What language could I write a script in (no graphics, simply text in,
>
>> text out) that would run on all the computers used by Friam folks?
>>
>>
> Javascript!
>
>
Well, it is certainly lurking on all of our systems that have a browser,
that's for sure! But if I just send folks a javascript file, how are
they
to execute it, and how are they to specify stdin/out?
I really am serious here: I'd like to know which scripting language and
runtime is reasonably likely to be on our systems. Its pretty grim if
there's not a reasonable answer!
The specific stunt I'm looking at takes a text file in, and converts it
to
morse code. Also the reverse, take in morse code and translate it to
ascii.
Dead simple and kinda fun. But to share it with others, I'd like a
script
that could work on most systems.
-- Owen
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
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>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
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Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
Before sending that script I looked for a way for JavaScript to access the
local file system. I couldn't find one. Sorry. But that doesn't mean there
isn't one.
-- Russ
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> I *like* it! Probably the most universal, and can even be run locally.
> Possibly even as a bookmarklet. And luckily for all of us, the DOM
> standards let javascript access user input in a fairly elegant way.
>
> BUT: the pipe paradigm of unix shells allows you to have the input be a
> file and the output to be piped into a file or another program. Our browser
> approach only lets us use literal text in and out. No big deal, but I
> wonder if there's a hack to get directly at the javascript language within
> the browser, and to use it like a command line command.
>
> I think, however, your answer is likely the winner.
>
>-- Owen
>
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2008, at 8:01 PM, Russ Abbott wrote:
>
> JavaScript sure seems like a simple solution. Here's a primitive version
>> of
>> one possibility.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> function transform(input) {
>> output.value = "transformed version of:\n" + input;
>> }
>>
>>
>>
>> Copy the text to be translated into this text area and press "Go".
>>
>> > onclick="transform(document.getElementById('input').value);" />
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Russ
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Owen Densmore
>> wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
>>>
>>>
What language could I write a script in (no graphics, simply text in,
> text out) that would run on all the computers used by Friam folks?
>
>
Javascript!
>>> Well, it is certainly lurking on all of our systems that have a browser,
>>> that's for sure! But if I just send folks a javascript file, how are
>>> they
>>> to execute it, and how are they to specify stdin/out?
>>>
>>> I really am serious here: I'd like to know which scripting language and
>>> runtime is reasonably likely to be on our systems. Its pretty grim if
>>> there's not a reasonable answer!
>>>
>>> The specific stunt I'm looking at takes a text file in, and converts it
>>> to
>>> morse code. Also the reverse, take in morse code and translate it to
>>> ascii.
>>> Dead simple and kinda fun. But to share it with others, I'd like a
>>> script
>>> that could work on most systems.
>>>
>>> -- Owen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
>>> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>>>
>>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
I *like* it! Probably the most universal, and can even be run
locally. Possibly even as a bookmarklet. And luckily for all of us,
the DOM standards let javascript access user input in a fairly elegant
way.
BUT: the pipe paradigm of unix shells allows you to have the input be
a file and the output to be piped into a file or another program. Our
browser approach only lets us use literal text in and out. No big
deal, but I wonder if there's a hack to get directly at the javascript
language within the browser, and to use it like a command line command.
I think, however, your answer is likely the winner.
-- Owen
On Dec 27, 2008, at 8:01 PM, Russ Abbott wrote:
JavaScript sure seems like a simple solution. Here's a primitive
version of
one possibility.
function transform(input) {
output.value = "transformed version of:\n" + input;
}
Copy the text to be translated into this text area and press "Go".
-- Russ
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Owen Densmore
wrote:
On Dec 27, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
What language could I write a script in (no graphics, simply text
in,
text out) that would run on all the computers used by Friam folks?
Javascript!
Well, it is certainly lurking on all of our systems that have a
browser,
that's for sure! But if I just send folks a javascript file, how
are they
to execute it, and how are they to specify stdin/out?
I really am serious here: I'd like to know which scripting language
and
runtime is reasonably likely to be on our systems. Its pretty grim
if
there's not a reasonable answer!
The specific stunt I'm looking at takes a text file in, and
converts it to
morse code. Also the reverse, take in morse code and translate it
to ascii.
Dead simple and kinda fun. But to share it with others, I'd like a
script
that could work on most systems.
-- Owen
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Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
JavaScript sure seems like a simple solution. Here's a primitive version of
one possibility.
function transform(input) {
output.value = "transformed version of:\n" + input;
}
Copy the text to be translated into this text area and press "Go".
-- Russ
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> On Dec 27, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
>
>>
>> What language could I write a script in (no graphics, simply text in,
>>> text out) that would run on all the computers used by Friam folks?
>>>
>>
>> Javascript!
>>
>
> Well, it is certainly lurking on all of our systems that have a browser,
> that's for sure! But if I just send folks a javascript file, how are they
> to execute it, and how are they to specify stdin/out?
>
> I really am serious here: I'd like to know which scripting language and
> runtime is reasonably likely to be on our systems. Its pretty grim if
> there's not a reasonable answer!
>
> The specific stunt I'm looking at takes a text file in, and converts it to
> morse code. Also the reverse, take in morse code and translate it to ascii.
> Dead simple and kinda fun. But to share it with others, I'd like a script
> that could work on most systems.
>
>-- Owen
>
>
>
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
On Dec 27, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: What language could I write a script in (no graphics, simply text in, text out) that would run on all the computers used by Friam folks? Javascript! Well, it is certainly lurking on all of our systems that have a browser, that's for sure! But if I just send folks a javascript file, how are they to execute it, and how are they to specify stdin/out? I really am serious here: I'd like to know which scripting language and runtime is reasonably likely to be on our systems. Its pretty grim if there's not a reasonable answer! The specific stunt I'm looking at takes a text file in, and converts it to morse code. Also the reverse, take in morse code and translate it to ascii. Dead simple and kinda fun. But to share it with others, I'd like a script that could work on most systems. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
> What language could I write a script in (no graphics, simply text in, text > out) that would run on all the computers used by Friam folks? Javascript! FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
"None" is probably the right answer, given that the two primary proprietary OS vendors are naturally driven to sell apps for their systems that are incompatible with their competitors platforms, in an attempt to boost their own OS sales. Java was the first attempt to produce a "write once" language, but it has to date had limited success. You might have a chance with Python or Perl, depending on what you wanted your script to do. "Hello World" should be possible, but when you progress to a real world level of complexity the OS incompatibilities begin to bite. Regarding a "simple web app": that is what Javascript was supposed to support, and look at all the browser-sniffing/blocking code that has evolved over the past 4 - 5 years due to incompatible browser implementations. --Doug On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > Hmm..I think there's a simpler question that I would like to ask: > > What language could I write a script in (no graphics, simply text in, text > out) that would run on all the computers used by Friam folks? > > I guess the most likely answer is "none" just use the browser and build a > trivial web-app. But still, I'm interested in the language most likely to > be on your systems. > >-- Owen > > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
Hmm..I think there's a simpler question that I would like to ask: What language could I write a script in (no graphics, simply text in, text out) that would run on all the computers used by Friam folks? I guess the most likely answer is "none" just use the browser and build a trivial web-app. But still, I'm interested in the language most likely to be on your systems. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
Snarf!
I don't think I've heard this term ("Snarky") used in "forever"... but
sadly/strangely/wonderfully, it does describe Doug's style of humor.
Knowing Doug pretty well and being on the Snarky end of his humor from
time to time (always well deserved and returned, I must add) I can
understand how the extra row of kinked barbs along the shaft of his
snarky lampoons can gouge and dig if you don't already have some
scarred over lacerations (shaped to fit) to turn them aside.
I love all of my legacy languages, just as much as I love the growing
pile of "old tech" in my shed (Wicat Unix box, Sun 1, Toaster Mac,
NeXT, SGI 02, etc... ). Not to mention all of the wondrous vehicles
I've owned, and am proud to share with anyone likely to appreciate
them. A few potential targets of derision out of my nearly 40
vehicles (planes, trains, automobiles, tractors, motorcycles, etc.)
include a '65 Fairlane, a '73 Gremlin, a '72 Maverick, a '71 Suzuki 350
2-stroke, '67 VW beetle, '69 Datsun 510, etc... But don't dare make
fun of my '47 Luscombe Aerocoupe, '72 Honda SL350, '85 Kubota 6500
4x4, '49 dump truck, the '64 T-bird, the '64 VW convertible, the '86
VW Cabriolet, or my '03 Nissan Crew 4x4!
My daily drivers are C++ and Java and I can be cajoled into taking PERL
and *sh variants out for a spin now and then. The APL and Snobol and
Prolog manuals on my self (actually on the shelf at the sfComplex
self-organizing library) are all old friends which I open as often as
the Haynes repair manual for my long-lost '73 Gremlin! I loved those
languages (and that Gremlin!).
Snarf!
- Steve
In Snarkiness,
--Doug
How
snarky. I hope that's working out for you.
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Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008, Owen Densmore wrote: I'm writing a script that I realize might be useful for friends, and that got me to wondering: what scripting languages are most universally available? So, you can help: which of these languages are available on your computer? Bash/Borne Shell Awk Perl Python/Jython Ruby/irb Javascript (i.e. a command-line version like Rhino) Groovy BeanShell/PNuts (java interpreters with nifty add on features) .. suggestions? All current Macs running OS X 10.5.x should have GNU Bash 3.2.17 (1), Awk ver. 20040207, Perl 5.8.8, Ruby 1.8.6, and Python 2.5.1 by default (this iMac does and every Mac I've checked running 10.5.x). I think all Linux versions will have Bash, Awk, Python by default. Bash, Awk/Sed, Perl and Python are all common, Ruby's usually an easy package install under most Linux distros. Personally (just my opinion) I think Python lends itself to order more so than PERL, but I'm sure there are more experienced programmers who might not agree. I think Bash is frequently underratedone can do a lot with the shell if one knows how and is willing to do a bit of work. There's a great "Shell Scripting Recipes" book by Chris Johnson, along with the Robbins/Beebe book by O'Reilly and a number of other good ones. -Nick -- Nicholas S. Frost 7 Avenida Vista Grande #325 Santa Fe, NM 87508 www.nickorama.com -- FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
I'm also a fan of old, obscure artifacts such as Lisp - heck, sometimes I feel like I'm becoming one myself. I did my graduate AI research using Franz Lisp in the early 1980s and was fortunate to have the opportunity to use Lisp machines in corporate R&D for several years before the onset of "AI Winter." I really enjoyed the language, but because of a backlash against the excess AI hype, Lisp fell out of favor and industry moved toward more "modern" languages such as C++ (ouch). Lately, I've become facinated with Common Lisp and have started learning it in my spare time. My gut feeling is that despite the hype its ardent supporters such as Paul Graham spout, claims of greatly improved programmer productivity from Lisp have real merit. Besides, there is a certain charm to using a language that is older than me - this year Lisp celebrated its 50th birthday (see www.lisp50.org ) exactly one week before I celebrated my 50th birthday. Although it has been pronounced dead quite a few times, as one Lisper put it, "Lisp doesn't look any deader than usual to me." ;; Gary On Dec 25, 2008, at 8:11 PM, glen e. p. ropella wrote: Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 12/25/2008 04:27 PM: IMO, Age and Obscurity (in languages, at least) are mutually reinforcing resonant death knells. Naaa. I'm a big fan of old, obscure artifacts. They flesh out the context through which homogenous fad-followers plow. It seems like our (the US) bias toward forgetting history and diversity and teaching only the lowest common denominator, most current fad, or toward the most likely future is the primary reason we have a trash culture. Rather than re-sole that old pair of boots or fix the transmission in that old car, we prefer to junk the old stuff and buy brand new stuff (usually made in China). The hip and trendy fads are great for preoccupying the teenager's (or politician's) mind; but for any serious work, one should consider as much historical context as possible in order to make wise decisions in the present. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
Can't argue with much of that. Maybe Obama his professed trend towards New Enlightenment will turn this current anti-intellectual trend around. Naaa. On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 6:11 PM, glen e. p. ropella < g...@agent-based-modeling.com> wrote: > Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 12/25/2008 04:27 PM: > > IMO, Age and Obscurity (in languages, at least) are mutually reinforcing > > resonant death knells. > > Naaa. I'm a big fan of old, obscure artifacts. They flesh out the > context through which homogenous fad-followers plow. It seems like our > (the US) bias toward forgetting history and diversity and teaching only > the lowest common denominator, most current fad, or toward the most > likely future is the primary reason we have a trash culture. Rather > than re-sole that old pair of boots or fix the transmission in that old > car, we prefer to junk the old stuff and buy brand new stuff (usually > made in China). > > The hip and trendy fads are great for preoccupying the teenager's (or > politician's) mind; but for any serious work, one should consider as > much historical context as possible in order to make wise decisions in > the present. > > -- > glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > -- Doug Roberts, RTI International drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 12/25/2008 04:27 PM: > IMO, Age and Obscurity (in languages, at least) are mutually reinforcing > resonant death knells. Naaa. I'm a big fan of old, obscure artifacts. They flesh out the context through which homogenous fad-followers plow. It seems like our (the US) bias toward forgetting history and diversity and teaching only the lowest common denominator, most current fad, or toward the most likely future is the primary reason we have a trash culture. Rather than re-sole that old pair of boots or fix the transmission in that old car, we prefer to junk the old stuff and buy brand new stuff (usually made in China). The hip and trendy fads are great for preoccupying the teenager's (or politician's) mind; but for any serious work, one should consider as much historical context as possible in order to make wise decisions in the present. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Slashdot article topical to this thread (i.e. dead technology that hasn't had the good grace to politely stop breathing yet): http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/25/1952258 Tech approaches come and go. The trick is to catch *the* wave, and not fall off. Off Topic: Owen: how do you consistently manage to find such controversial topics to present to the list? Yes, it *is* your fault! ;-} --Doug On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: > Well, actually, it was supposed to be funny. I worked in LISP for a lot of > years. When a colleague suggested that I should learn Scheme (WAY back > in the early 90's, mind you), that language's time had already come and > gone. > > IMO, Age and Obscurity (in languages, at least) are mutually reinforcing > resonant death knells. > > In Snarkiness, > > --Doug > > > On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 5:14 PM, glen e. p. ropella < > g...@agent-based-modeling.com> wrote: > >> Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 12/25/2008 03:40 PM: >> > #lisp/schemeCome on. Really. LISP? Scheme?? Happy living in the >> > past, are we? >> > # c# Icky >> > #mozart/oz I'm esoteric. Are you? >> > # prolog How '70's. >> >> How snarky. I hope that's working out for you. >> >> I tend to believe that every problem has at least one "natural" >> language. Solutions to that problem should (where reasonable) be >> formulated in its natural language, regardless of the age or obscurity >> of the language. >> >> Plus, I use a lot of legacy tools, written in a lot of different >> languages. I'd rather keep a rich tech stack than spend time rewriting >> everything from scratch just so I can have it in a particular language. >> >> -- >> glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com >> >> >> >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >> > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
Well, actually, it was supposed to be funny. I worked in LISP for a lot of years. When a colleague suggested that I should learn Scheme (WAY back in the early 90's, mind you), that language's time had already come and gone. IMO, Age and Obscurity (in languages, at least) are mutually reinforcing resonant death knells. In Snarkiness, --Doug On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 5:14 PM, glen e. p. ropella < g...@agent-based-modeling.com> wrote: > Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 12/25/2008 03:40 PM: > > #lisp/schemeCome on. Really. LISP? Scheme?? Happy living in the > > past, are we? > > # c# Icky > > #mozart/oz I'm esoteric. Are you? > > # prolog How '70's. > > How snarky. I hope that's working out for you. > > I tend to believe that every problem has at least one "natural" > language. Solutions to that problem should (where reasonable) be > formulated in its natural language, regardless of the age or obscurity > of the language. > > Plus, I use a lot of legacy tools, written in a lot of different > languages. I'd rather keep a rich tech stack than spend time rewriting > everything from scratch just so I can have it in a particular language. > > -- > glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > -- Doug Roberts, RTI International drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 12/25/2008 03:40 PM: > #lisp/schemeCome on. Really. LISP? Scheme?? Happy living in the > past, are we? > # c# Icky > #mozart/oz I'm esoteric. Are you? > # prolog How '70's. How snarky. I hope that's working out for you. I tend to believe that every problem has at least one "natural" language. Solutions to that problem should (where reasonable) be formulated in its natural language, regardless of the age or obscurity of the language. Plus, I use a lot of legacy tools, written in a lot of different languages. I'd rather keep a rich tech stack than spend time rewriting everything from scratch just so I can have it in a particular language. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
[c|ba]sh awk sed perl python #ruby javascript #lisp/schemeCome on. Really. LISP? Scheme?? Happy living in the past, are we? # c# Icky #mozart/oz I'm esoteric. Are you? php # prolog How '70's. R # BeanShell What?? I can script. Slowly. "Hello World." [Time passes] BeanShell: "Hello" tcl/tk On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 4:30 PM, glen e. p. ropella < g...@agent-based-modeling.com> wrote: > [c|ba]sh > awk > sed > perl > python > ruby > javascript > lisp/scheme > c# > mozart/oz > php > prolog > R > BeanShell > tcl/tk > > Thus spake Owen Densmore circa 12/25/2008 01:13 PM: > > So, you can help: which of these languages are available on your > computer? > > Bash/Borne Shell > > Awk > > Perl > > Python/Jython > > Ruby/irb > > Javascript (i.e. a command-line version like Rhino) > > Groovy > > BeanShell/PNuts (java interpreters with nifty add on features) > > .. suggestions? > > > -- > glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > -- Doug Roberts, RTI International drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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[c|ba]sh awk sed perl python ruby javascript lisp/scheme c# mozart/oz php prolog R BeanShell tcl/tk Thus spake Owen Densmore circa 12/25/2008 01:13 PM: > So, you can help: which of these languages are available on your computer? > Bash/Borne Shell > Awk > Perl > Python/Jython > Ruby/irb > Javascript (i.e. a command-line version like Rhino) > Groovy > BeanShell/PNuts (java interpreters with nifty add on features) > .. suggestions? -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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A group of musician friends of mine have a tradition of playing at the Canyon Road Christmas Eve Luminario tour (a Santa Fe Christmas tradition). We walk from bonfire to bonfire, where we stop and play a few Christmas carols. This year, we had a chance encounter with James Taylor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcAx48_nVDk Thanks, James! --Doug On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Pamela McCorduck wrote: > Ho ho ho--you're not the only ones on your computer. > Owen, I finally saw the article about your neighbor across the street and > his cash grocery. Have you tried the tamales? > > > On Dec 25, 2008, at 2:24 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: > > I've got a fun Christmas Eve story to share in a bit. After I upload the > video to youtube... > > --Doug > > On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > >> On Dec 25, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: >> >>> On Christmas Day? >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Owen Densmore >>> wrote: >>> I'm writing a script that I realize might be useful for friends, >>> >> >> Er, well yes. You see, we had to take a break from opening presents and >> all that, and reading one of my presents brought this up, so it really is a >> Christmas sort of thing. >> >> I know *your* answer to the poll: All and More Too! Hmm.. shoulda >> included VB. >> >> >>-- Owen >> >> >> >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >> > > > > -- > Doug Roberts, RTI International > drobe...@rti.org > d...@parrot-farm.net > 505-455-7333 - Office > 505-670-8195 - Cell > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > Pamela McCorduck > pam...@well.com > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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On Dec 25, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Pamela McCorduck wrote: Ho ho ho--you're not the only ones on your computer. Owen, I finally saw the article about your neighbor across the street and his cash grocery. Have you tried the tamales? Yes indeed, and I think Johnnie's tamales are the best in town. We are also quite close with Boni Armijo, Johnnie's son, a contractor who works on our casita, along with his son, Johnnie's grandson, Jovan. And Boni/Jovan give out tamales and biscochitos for christmas gifts! -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Ho ho ho--you're not the only ones on your computer. Owen, I finally saw the article about your neighbor across the street and his cash grocery. Have you tried the tamales? On Dec 25, 2008, at 2:24 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: I've got a fun Christmas Eve story to share in a bit. After I upload the video to youtube... --Doug On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: On Dec 25, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: On Christmas Day? On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: I'm writing a script that I realize might be useful for friends, Er, well yes. You see, we had to take a break from opening presents and all that, and reading one of my presents brought this up, so it really is a Christmas sort of thing. I know *your* answer to the poll: All and More Too! Hmm.. shoulda included VB. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts, RTI International drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Pamela McCorduck pam...@well.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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I've got a fun Christmas Eve story to share in a bit. After I upload the video to youtube... --Doug On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > On Dec 25, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: > >> On Christmas Day? >> >> On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Owen Densmore >> wrote: >> >>> I'm writing a script that I realize might be useful for friends, >>> >> > > Er, well yes. You see, we had to take a break from opening presents and > all that, and reading one of my presents brought this up, so it really is a > Christmas sort of thing. > > I know *your* answer to the poll: All and More Too! Hmm.. shoulda included > VB. > > >-- Owen > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > -- Doug Roberts, RTI International drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
On Dec 25, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: On Christmas Day? On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: I'm writing a script that I realize might be useful for friends, Er, well yes. You see, we had to take a break from opening presents and all that, and reading one of my presents brought this up, so it really is a Christmas sort of thing. I know *your* answer to the poll: All and More Too! Hmm.. shoulda included VB. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
On Christmas Day? On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > I'm writing a script that I realize might be useful for friends, > >-- Owen > > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > -- Doug Roberts, RTI International drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
[FRIAM] Poll: which scripting languages are available on your computer?
I'm writing a script that I realize might be useful for friends, and that got me to wondering: what scripting languages are most universally available? So, you can help: which of these languages are available on your computer? Bash/Borne Shell Awk Perl Python/Jython Ruby/irb Javascript (i.e. a command-line version like Rhino) Groovy BeanShell/PNuts (java interpreters with nifty add on features) .. suggestions? I suppose everyone has a browser, so that it could be used for either a local or remote script in java and javascript. I leave Java/C/C++ etc out because the are not "scripting" languages but "systems" languages. Interpretive is fine. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
