Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

[Owen Densmore]

It's easy to read almost anything into the graph, but it seems to me that
it narrowed during the RNC then made a large adjustment wider, favorable to
Obama, as the DNC started.  I guess that's normal.

   -- Owen

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Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

[Nicholas Thompson]

Gosh, Doug, 

 

Do you believe everything you read on the web?  

 

Nick 

 

From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Douglas Roberts
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 9:17 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

 

Well, Nick.  A google search on "Big Dig Corruption" returned the following:

 

About 911,000 results (0.18 seconds)

 

Take a few minutes to educate yourself on this particular topic.

 

--Doug

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Nicholas Thompson
 wrote:

Eric, 

 

[...]

 

As for the corruption, I just don't know.

 

Nick 

 

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Of ERIC P. CHARLES
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 7:49 PM
To: Douglas Roberts
Cc: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

 

Doug,
As an adamant atheist, this is still low on my list of reasons to dislike
Romney. 

No one has really talked about what Bain Capital does - I have nothing
against raising money, but he should not be allowed to claim he was a job
creator <http://doonesbury.slate.com/strip/archive/2012/07/02> . Also, the
idea that he will be less in Wall Street's pocket than Obama is laughable. 

No one has talked about how he was Governor for the biggest pork-barrel,
corruption riddled, big-government, public-works disaster in US history -
Boston's "Big Dig <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Dig> ", $14.6
BILLION dollars... and then the ceiling collapsed. 

People are still not sure how to handle his roll in the Mass health care
laws. 

He pulled off not-raising taxes while governor of Mass, only by implementing
an incredible number of "fees" and slashing funding to education. 

When you look at his record, he sure seems to be for big, intrusive,
expansive government - the opposite of his supposedly republican values -
and he seems to be war-mongering recently and getting even more
invasion-of-your-home preachy in recent speeches. 

That said, he ebbs and flows with the poll results as well as any politician
I have seen. It almost seems bad enough that if the polls showed he would
win as a Hindu, you might have a new list of odd believes to complain about
pretty quickly. 

Eric

P.S. These complaints should in no way be seen as an endorsement of some
other guy (or gal <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein> ).



On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 05:41 PM, Douglas Roberts  wrote:

Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and the
attendant dawning realization that Romney believes that god is a space alien
who lives on the crystal planet Kolob.  And that he baptizes dead people.
And that before 1978 he held to church doctrine that black people were
"loathsome unto thy people".  After 1978, of course, black people were just
hunky.  

 

In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit,
and his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect.

 

I mean, of course, the above belief set as compared one that requires
believing in a sadistic god and a useless savior; walking on water, rising
from the dead, big floods and ocean-going animal husbandry, etc.

 

But maybe all of the above is just my perception, and the fact that atheism
continues to sound reasonable. Perhaps people are beginning to realize that
the better they get to know Romney, the less there is to like about him.

 

--Doug

 

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties,
possibly due to the VP choice?

 

   -- Owen

 

 



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Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

[Douglas Roberts]

Well, Nick.  A google search on "Big Dig Corruption" returned the following:

About 911,000 results (0.18 seconds)

Take a few minutes to educate yourself on this particular topic.

--Doug

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Nicholas Thompson <
nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Eric, 
>
> ** **
>
> [...]
>
> ** **
>
> As for the corruption, I just don’t know.
>
> ** **
>
> Nick 
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On
> Behalf Of *ERIC P. CHARLES
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 19, 2012 7:49 PM
> *To:* Douglas Roberts
> *Cc:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa
>
> ** **
>
> Doug,
> As an adamant atheist, this is still low on my list of reasons to dislike
> Romney.
>
> No one has really talked about what Bain Capital does - I have nothing
> against raising money, but he should *not *be allowed to claim he was a
> job creator <http://doonesbury.slate.com/strip/archive/2012/07/02>. Also,
> the idea that he will be less in Wall Street's pocket than Obama is
> laughable.
>
> No one has talked about how he was Governor for the biggest pork-barrel,
> corruption riddled, big-government, public-works disaster in US history -
> Boston's "Big Dig <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Dig>", $14.6
> BILLION dollars... and then the ceiling collapsed.
>
> People are still not sure how to handle his roll in the Mass health care
> laws.
>
> He pulled off not-raising taxes while governor of Mass, only by
> implementing an incredible number of "fees" and slashing funding to
> education.
>
> When you look at his record, he sure seems to be for big, intrusive,
> expansive government - the opposite of his supposedly republican values -
> and he seems to be war-mongering recently and getting even more
> invasion-of-your-home preachy in recent speeches.
>
> That said, he ebbs and flows with the poll results as well as any
> politician I have seen. It almost seems bad enough that if the polls showed
> he would win as a Hindu, you might have a new list of odd believes to
> complain about pretty quickly.
>
> Eric
>
> P.S. These complaints should in *no way *be seen as an endorsement of
> some other guy (or gal <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein>).
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 05:41 PM, *Douglas Roberts *wrote:
>
> 
>
> Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and
> the attendant dawning realization that Romney believes that god is a space
> alien who lives on the crystal planet Kolob.  And that he baptizes dead
> people. And that before 1978 he held to church doctrine that black people
> were "loathsome unto thy people".  After 1978, of course, black people were
> just hunky.  
>
> ** **
>
> In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit,
> and his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect.
>
> ** **
>
> I mean, of course, the above belief set as compared one that requires
> believing in a sadistic god and a useless savior; walking on water, rising
> from the dead, big floods and ocean-going animal husbandry, etc.
>
> ** **
>
> But maybe all of the above is just my perception, and the fact
> that atheism continues to sound reasonable. Perhaps people are beginning to
> realize that the better they get to know Romney, the less there is to like
> about him.
>
> ** **
>
> --Doug
>
> ** **
>
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Owen Densmore 
> wrote:
>
> There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties,
> possibly due to the VP choice?
>
> ** **
>
>-- Owen
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

[Nicholas Thompson]

Eric, 

 

I am no friend of Romney, but, whatever else you might say about the big dig, 
it rescued Boston from the utter destruction imposed by the central artery 
project, reconnecting historic sites in the city, and reintegrating the city in 
many ways.  I have only been back to the city a few times since the completion, 
but just on those few occasions that I have used chunks of the Big Dig to get 
places, the effect is miraculous.

 

As for the corruption, I just don’t know.

 

Nick 

 

From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of 
ERIC P. CHARLES
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 7:49 PM
To: Douglas Roberts
Cc: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

 

Doug,
As an adamant atheist, this is still low on my list of reasons to dislike 
Romney. 

No one has really talked about what Bain Capital does - I have nothing against 
raising money, but he should not be allowed to claim he was a job creator 
<http://doonesbury.slate.com/strip/archive/2012/07/02> . Also, the idea that he 
will be less in Wall Street's pocket than Obama is laughable. 

No one has talked about how he was Governor for the biggest pork-barrel, 
corruption riddled, big-government, public-works disaster in US history - 
Boston's "Big Dig <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Dig> ", $14.6 BILLION 
dollars... and then the ceiling collapsed. 

People are still not sure how to handle his roll in the Mass health care laws. 

He pulled off not-raising taxes while governor of Mass, only by implementing an 
incredible number of "fees" and slashing funding to education. 

When you look at his record, he sure seems to be for big, intrusive, expansive 
government - the opposite of his supposedly republican values - and he seems to 
be war-mongering recently and getting even more invasion-of-your-home preachy 
in recent speeches. 

That said, he ebbs and flows with the poll results as well as any politician I 
have seen. It almost seems bad enough that if the polls showed he would win as 
a Hindu, you might have a new list of odd believes to complain about pretty 
quickly. 

Eric

P.S. These complaints should in no way be seen as an endorsement of some other 
guy (or gal <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein> ).



On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 05:41 PM, Douglas Roberts  wrote:



Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and the attendant 
dawning realization that Romney believes that god is a space alien who lives on 
the crystal planet Kolob.  And that he baptizes dead people. And that before 
1978 he held to church doctrine that black people were "loathsome unto thy 
people".  After 1978, of course, black people were just hunky.  

 

In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit, and 
his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect.

 

I mean, of course, the above belief set as compared one that requires believing 
in a sadistic god and a useless savior; walking on water, rising from the dead, 
big floods and ocean-going animal husbandry, etc.

 

But maybe all of the above is just my perception, and the fact that atheism 
continues to sound reasonable. Perhaps people are beginning to realize that the 
better they get to know Romney, the less there is to like about him.

 

--Doug

 

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties, possibly 
due to the VP choice?

 

   -- Owen

 

 

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Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

[ERIC P. CHARLES]

Doug,
As an adamant atheist, this is still low on my list of reasons to dislike
Romney. 

No one has really talked about what Bain Capital does - I have nothing against
raising money, but he should not be allowed to claim
. Also, the idea that he
will be less in Wall Street's pocket than Obama is laughable. 

No one has talked about how he was Governor for the biggest pork-barrel,
corruption riddled, big-government, public-works disaster in US history -
Boston's "", $14.6 BILLION dollars...
and then the ceiling collapsed. 

People are still not sure how to handle his roll in the Mass health care laws. 

He pulled off not-raising taxes while governor of Mass, only by implementing an
incredible number of "fees" and slashing funding to education. 

When you look at his record, he sure seems to be for big, intrusive, expansive
government - the opposite of his supposedly republican values - and he seems to
be war-mongering recently and getting even more invasion-of-your-home preachy
in recent speeches. 

That said, he ebbs and flows with the poll results as well as any politician I
have seen. It almost seems bad enough that if the polls showed he would win as
a Hindu, you might have a new list of odd believes to complain about pretty
quickly. 

Eric

P.S. These complaints should in no way be seen as an endorsement of some other
guy (or ).



On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 05:41 PM, Douglas Roberts  wrote:
>
>
>Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and the
attendant dawning realization that Romney believes that god is a space alien
who lives on the crystal planet Kolob.  And that he baptizes dead people. And
that before 1978 he held to church doctrine that black people were "loathsome
unto thy people".  After 1978, of course, black people were just hunky.  


>>
>
>
>
>>In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit,
and his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect.
>>
>
>>I mean, of course, the above belief set as compared one that requires
believing in a sadistic god and a useless savior; walking on water, rising from
the dead, big floods and ocean-going animal husbandry, etc.
>>
>
>>But maybe all of the above is just my perception, and the fact that atheism
continues to sound reasonable. Perhaps people are beginning to realize that the
better they get to know Romney, the less there is to like about him.
>>
>
>>--Doug
>>
>
>>On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Owen Densmore <<#>> wrote:
>
>There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties, possibly
due to the VP choice?>
>
>
>
>>
>   -- Owen
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

[Douglas Roberts]

The crystal planet Kolob.

Sent from Android.
On Aug 19, 2012 4:16 PM, "Robert Holmes"  wrote:

> from...?
>
> On Aug 19, 2012 3:56 PM, "Douglas Roberts"  wrote:
> >
> > It's a gift.
>
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[Robert Holmes]

from...?

On Aug 19, 2012 3:56 PM, "Douglas Roberts"  wrote:
>
> It's a gift.

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[Douglas Roberts]

It's a gift.

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Victoria Hughes wrote:

> You have such a way with words, Doug.
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
> Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and
> the attendant dawning realization that Romney believes that god is a space
> alien who lives on the crystal planet Kolob.  And that he baptizes dead
> people. And that before 1978 he held to church doctrine that black people
> were "loathsome unto thy people".  After 1978, of course, black people were
> just hunky.
>
> In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit,
> and his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect.
>
> I mean, of course, the above belief set as compared one that requires
> believing in a sadistic god and a useless savior; walking on water, rising
> from the dead, big floods and ocean-going animal husbandry, etc.
>
> But maybe all of the above is just my perception, and the fact
> that atheism continues to sound reasonable. Perhaps people are beginning to
> realize that the better they get to know Romney, the less there is to like
> about him.
>
> --Doug
>
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>
>> There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties,
>> possibly due to the VP choice?
>>
>>-- Owen
>>
>>
>> 
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[Victoria Hughes]

You have such a way with words, Doug.On Aug 19, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and the attendant dawning realization that Romney believes that god is a space alien who lives on the crystal planet Kolob.  And that he baptizes dead people. And that before 1978 he held to church doctrine that black people were "loathsome unto thy people".  After 1978, of course, black people were just hunky.   In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit, and his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect.I mean, of course, the above belief set as compared one that requires believing in a sadistic god and a useless savior; walking on water, rising from the dead, big floods and ocean-going animal husbandry, etc. But maybe all of the above is just my perception, and the fact that atheism continues to sound reasonable. Perhaps people are beginning to realize that the better they get to know Romney, the less there is to like about him. --DougOn Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote: There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties, possibly due to the VP choice?    -- Owen    FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org-- Doug Robertsdrobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.nethttp://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office505-670-8195 - Cell  FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listservMeets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's Collegelectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Tory Hughesunusual objects and unique adornments www.toryhughes.comwww.toryhughes-galleryshop.comwww.facebook.com/tory.hughes1 
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[Douglas Roberts]

Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and
the attendant dawning realization that Romney believes that god is a space
alien who lives on the crystal planet Kolob.  And that he baptizes dead
people. And that before 1978 he held to church doctrine that black people
were "loathsome unto thy people".  After 1978, of course, black people were
just hunky.

In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit,
and his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect.

I mean, of course, the above belief set as compared one that requires
believing in a sadistic god and a useless savior; walking on water, rising
from the dead, big floods and ocean-going animal husbandry, etc.

But maybe all of the above is just my perception, and the fact
that atheism continues to sound reasonable. Perhaps people are beginning to
realize that the better they get to know Romney, the less there is to like
about him.

--Doug

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties,
> possibly due to the VP choice?
>
>-- Owen
>
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Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

[Owen Densmore]

There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties,
possibly due to the VP choice?

   -- Owen


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Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

[glen]

ERIC P. CHARLES wrote at 07/11/2012 09:41 PM:
> Why not say some
> simple and straightforward things about what you actually accomplished? 

Well, for what (little) it's worth, they did send me this:

http://content.wuala.com/contents/gepr/public/obama-biden-wallet-posterized-scaled.png

-- 
glen


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Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

[Owen Densmore]

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Steve Smith  wrote:

>  
> Obama has us by the short hairs... he (should) know(s) that he beats the
> (holy) shit out of the alternative... he's not MY answer, but he's a  "damn
> good start"!
>
> I don't need Obama to articulate anything to me... if *I* don't know what
> the score is, his telling me doesn't change anything.  I say his lack of
> attendance to our BS needs for spoon feeding our needs... is his genius...
>
> But I could be wrong...
>

OK, 1 down,  >150,000,000 to go! (see below)

I'd like to believe this is Obama's genius: let the opponent shoot himself
in the foot.  But when I go home and chat with folks, I hear a lot more of
what the pundits spew: FUD.  Hopefully the people are wiser than they.

   -- Owen

Found on the web looking for how many voters there are in the US:

169 million registered - 86 million democrat - 55 million republican - 28
million others registered.

what percentage of these actually voted in 2008 presidential election?

During the 2008 presidential election, there were *132,645,504* total
voters out of an *eligible* voting age population of *212,702,354*, which
gives you a *62.4%* participation rate

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Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

[ERIC P. CHARLES]

Steve,
I would be tempted to agree with you if he (and his party, and his
campaign) didn't keep saying other things instead. He is in the process of
organizing a several hundred million dollar media blitz. Why not say some
simple and straightforward things about what you actually accomplished? 

Eric


On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 12:07 AM, Steve Smith  wrote:
>
>
>>Owen -
>
>
>  *I* get it he doesn't have to articulate it.. he merely has to
>  make (a lot) more sense, totally exposed by his behaviour, than
>  the afore mentioned "Gordon Gecko" that is the "other party"...  
>  I would love it if Obama would follow up his "citizen-funded" win
>  of 2008 with a total silence in 2012... let the 'publicans bury
>  themselves with their own rhetoric.
>
>
>  Yes, if you are the gay couple who didn't get his full endorsement
>  for your wedding or if your child didnt get withdrawn from
>  Afghanistan as quickly as you wanted, or if you wanted (who
>  doesn't?) Gitmo shut down 4 years ago, then OK... vote for the
>  "other guy".   But really?
>
>
>  Obama has us by the short hairs... he (should) know(s) that he
>  beats the (holy) shit out of the alternative... he's not MY
>  answer, but he's a  "damn good start"!
>
>
>  I don't need Obama to articulate anything to me... if *I* don't
>  know what the score is, his telling me doesn't change anything.  I
>  say his lack of attendance to our BS needs for spoon feeding our
>  needs... is his genius... 
>
>
>  But I could be wrong... 
>
>
>  - Steve
>
>
>
>  >On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Russ
>Abbott 
>wrote:
>
>  >
>Well, it's Barack Obama
>  vs. Gordon Gekko.  Which would you prefer to see as
>  president? Perhaps the country is waking up to that.
>
>>
>
>> 
>  
>  >-- Russ Abbott
>
>  
>
>>
>
>>Like many of us, I wanted Obama to be the president "for
>  the rest of us".  But he's seemed weak in many aspects of his
>  presidency.  I realize that many presidential historians
>  believe "exogenous" events form a president, not their
>  platform or promises.  Much of the downturn was inherited. But
>  as bad as the hand he was dealt was, he could at least
>  articulate the positive things he has done.
>>
>
>>Obama has had several successes, quite important ones.  But
>  he never explains them to the electorate.  Instead he gets
>  mauled by the opposition.  Why is he so poor at explaining his
>  successes?
>>
>  
>
>
>>A trivial example is the health care bill.  Yes it is a
>  "tax", but overall it will vastly reduce taxes due to
>  the relief it brings caused by "freeloaders" who use the most
>  expensive health care possible: the emergency room!  Several
>  pundits have claimed as much as a 10 to one reduction in
>  public costs which will be reflected in lower taxes.
>>
>
>>But Obama remains mum.  I don't get it.
>>
>
>>It could simply be the media, which loves a good fight.
>   They fan the flames and nurture fear.  But it does seem to me
>  that a large amount of the (idiotic) electorate buys the
>  anti-obama rhetoric.
>>
>
>>I (think) Obama would be the best outcome, at least he's
>  got experience at it and could be better in a second term.
>   And Romney does seem a bit of an ass.  I am, however,
>  surprised at the difference between the graph and the
>  punditry.
>>
>
>>   -- Owen
>  
>  
>
>

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Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

[Steve Smith]

Owen -

*I* get it he doesn't have to articulate it.. he merely has to make 
(a lot) more sense, totally exposed by his behaviour, than the afore 
mentioned "Gordon Gecko" that is the "other party"... I would love it if 
Obama would follow up his "citizen-funded" win of 2008 with a total 
silence in 2012... let the 'publicans bury themselves with their own 
rhetoric.


Yes, if you are the gay couple who didn't get his full endorsement for 
your wedding or if your child didnt get withdrawn from Afghanistan as 
quickly as you wanted, or if you wanted (who doesn't?) Gitmo shut down 4 
years ago, then OK... vote for the "other guy".   But really?


Obama has us by the short hairs... he (should) know(s) that he beats the 
(holy) shit out of the alternative... he's not MY answer, but he's a  
"damn good start"!


I don't need Obama to articulate anything to me... if *I* don't know 
what the score is, his telling me doesn't change anything.  I say his 
lack of attendance to our BS needs for spoon feeding our needs... is his 
genius...


But I could be wrong...

- Steve
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Russ Abbott > wrote:


Well, it's Barack Obama vs. Gordon Gekko.  Which would you prefer
to see as president? Perhaps the country is waking up to that.
/-- Russ Abbott/


Like many of us, I wanted Obama to be the president "for the rest of 
us".  But he's seemed weak in many aspects of his presidency.  I 
realize that many presidential historians believe "exogenous" events 
form a president, not their platform or promises.  Much of the 
downturn was inherited. But as bad as the hand he was dealt was, he 
could at least articulate the positive things he has done.


Obama has had several successes, quite important ones.  But he never 
explains them to the electorate.  Instead he gets mauled by the 
opposition.  Why is he so poor at explaining his successes?


A trivial example is the health care bill.  Yes it is a "tax", but 
overall it will vastly reduce taxes due to the relief it brings caused 
by "freeloaders" who use the most expensive health care possible: the 
emergency room!  Several pundits have claimed as much as a 10 to one 
reduction in public costs which will be reflected in lower taxes.


But Obama remains mum.  I don't get it.

It could simply be the media, which loves a good fight.  They fan the 
flames and nurture fear.  But it does seem to me that a large amount 
of the (idiotic) electorate buys the anti-obama rhetoric.


I (think) Obama would be the best outcome, at least he's got 
experience at it and could be better in a second term.  And Romney 
does seem a bit of an ass.  I am, however, surprised at the difference 
between the graph and the punditry.


   -- Owen



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Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

[Russ Abbott]

I absolutely agree with you. Drew Weston often has intelligent things to
say about Obama's failure to communicate. Here's his most
recent.
 And while I'm posting links, Robert Reich makes the
pointthat
extending the tax cuts for income up to $250,000 applies to everyone,
even those making more than $250,000. It's not that the tax cuts apply only
to those making less; they apply to *everyone*. This is not class warfare.
It treats everyone the same way. Obama should make that point also.

*-- Russ *

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Russ Abbott wrote:
>
>> Well, it's Barack Obama vs. Gordon Gekko.  Which would you prefer to see
>> as president? Perhaps the country is waking up to that.
>>
>> *-- Russ Abbott*
>>
>
> Like many of us, I wanted Obama to be the president "for the rest of us".
>  But he's seemed weak in many aspects of his presidency.  I realize that
> many presidential historians believe "exogenous" events form a president,
> not their platform or promises.  Much of the downturn was inherited. But as
> bad as the hand he was dealt was, he could at least articulate the positive
> things he has done.
>
> Obama has had several successes, quite important ones.  But he never
> explains them to the electorate.  Instead he gets mauled by the opposition.
>  Why is he so poor at explaining his successes?
>
> A trivial example is the health care bill.  Yes it is a "tax", but overall
> it will vastly reduce taxes due to the relief it brings caused by
> "freeloaders" who use the most expensive health care possible: the
> emergency room!  Several pundits have claimed as much as a 10 to one
> reduction in public costs which will be reflected in lower taxes.
>
> But Obama remains mum.  I don't get it.
>
> It could simply be the media, which loves a good fight.  They fan the
> flames and nurture fear.  But it does seem to me that a large amount of the
> (idiotic) electorate buys the anti-obama rhetoric.
>
> I (think) Obama would be the best outcome, at least he's got experience at
> it and could be better in a second term.  And Romney does seem a bit of an
> ass.  I am, however, surprised at the difference between the graph and the
> punditry.
>
>-- Owen
>

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Re: [FRIAM] PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

[Owen Densmore]

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Russ Abbott  wrote:

> Well, it's Barack Obama vs. Gordon Gekko.  Which would you prefer to see
> as president? Perhaps the country is waking up to that.
>
> *-- Russ Abbott*
>

Like many of us, I wanted Obama to be the president "for the rest of us".
 But he's seemed weak in many aspects of his presidency.  I realize that
many presidential historians believe "exogenous" events form a president,
not their platform or promises.  Much of the downturn was inherited. But as
bad as the hand he was dealt was, he could at least articulate the positive
things he has done.

Obama has had several successes, quite important ones.  But he never
explains them to the electorate.  Instead he gets mauled by the opposition.
 Why is he so poor at explaining his successes?

A trivial example is the health care bill.  Yes it is a "tax", but overall
it will vastly reduce taxes due to the relief it brings caused by
"freeloaders" who use the most expensive health care possible: the
emergency room!  Several pundits have claimed as much as a 10 to one
reduction in public costs which will be reflected in lower taxes.

But Obama remains mum.  I don't get it.

It could simply be the media, which loves a good fight.  They fan the
flames and nurture fear.  But it does seem to me that a large amount of the
(idiotic) electorate buys the anti-obama rhetoric.

I (think) Obama would be the best outcome, at least he's got experience at
it and could be better in a second term.  And Romney does seem a bit of an
ass.  I am, however, surprised at the difference between the graph and the
punditry.

   -- Owen

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