Re: [Full-disclosure] Full-Disclosure wouldn't let me post this message
"either three of you" man wow. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:58 AM, n3td3v wrote: > I didn't think either three of you could come up with an intellectual > reply thats on-topic with the thread, that would be asking too much > from the usual clowns who follow me around. > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Ureleet wrote: >> is this really what ur wasting ur life, and ours with? 1 fucking >> word? get a fucking job. >> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Biz Marqee wrote: >> Stop being a cry baby and go choke yourself to death on your fathers cock >> you drug fucked faggot. >> >> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:33 PM, j-f sentier wrote: >> They shouldn't let you post at all. > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] n3td3v is big in the security community protecting the UK against the threats.
u posted about urself, on ur own twitter log, u fucking IDIOT. man, u keep exceeding my expectations of moron. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM, vulcanius wrote: > Seriously? What was the point of sending that link to FD other than to > alienate yourself and your imaginary group even more? > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:50 PM, n3td3v wrote: >> >> http://twitter.com/n3td3v/status/1100384047 >> >> ___ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] n3td3v is big in the security community protecting the UK against the threats.
Seriously? What was the point of sending that link to FD other than to alienate yourself and your imaginary group even more? On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:50 PM, n3td3v wrote: > http://twitter.com/n3td3v/status/1100384047 > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] About Israel-Palestine affair
On Tuesday 06 January 2009 03:47:24 john doe wrote: > First of all, I apologiye for talking about this in a security mailing > list, If you were truly sorry, you would post this stuff. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] About Israel-Palestine affair
Please stop it now. War is never ok. For nobody. No need to discuss here. Peter Bruderer On 06.01.2009, at 14:47, john doe wrote: First of all, I apologiye for talking about this in a security mailing list, but seeing all controversz around, I would like to make clear some facts: 1) Israel is using a revenge politics for ages. Eye for 1000 eyes, I would call it, cancelling passes thru the borders to palestinian residents, indiscriminate bombing, etc. 2)You want facts? Sure, -Fri Jan 2, 2009 6:57pm EST. Israeli armored forces remained poised on the Gaza border for a possible ground operation, a week after Israel launched devastating air strikes with the declared aim of ending rocket attacks on its southern towns. Gaza medical officials put the Palestinian casualty toll at least 429 dead and 2,000 wounded. A United Nations agency said more than a quarter of those killed in the Gaza Strip were civilians. A leading Palestinian human rights group put the figure at 40 percent. Four Israelis have been killed by Palestinian rockets since Israel's offensive began, including longer-range weapons that have hit the port of Ashdod and the desert town of Beersheba, forcing schools to shut and residents to scurry for shelter. (as usual, 4 soldiers dead, 400 palestinian murdered in revenge, no surprise, old school Sharon style). In the Israeli-blockaded Gaza Strip, 1.5 million Palestinians are unable to escape the conflict. Residents face bombs, missiles and flickering electricity, and queue for bread along streets littered with broken glass and other debris. Ten Palestinians were killed Friday in more than 30 Israeli air strikes. Seven of them were civilians, including five children, local medics said. One missile killed three Palestinian children aged between eight and 12 as they played on a street near the town of Khan Yunis in the south of the strip. One was decapitated. Islamist fighters fired rockets at Israel's ancient port of Ashkelon, blowing out windows in an apartment building. Another house took a direct hit from a long-range missile later in the day, and cars were set ablaze. (extract from http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSLS69391620090102?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews ) This is the truth. These are the facts. Israel has a constant harassment and punishment politic against palestinian people. I don' t care about what your politics could BUY in the 20's with the help of USA, I don't cry for your soldiers (as they accept a job where they are well paid to possibly DIE) , I care about families who cannot meet each other. I care about total block of basic supplies (and don't give me that shit about humanitarian help, etc... these are people, not begging anything, they have their rights and Israel decides when they have them and when they don't). I am spanish, quite neutral until I ' ve seen what this dammed people (much more extremist than Hamas, but with suits, crying and smiles they look like poor nice bussinessmen, they suffered so much in the past..) have done to a beautiful land. They grow kids in hate for Palestinian (you can say Palestinian too, but this is a normal after the massacre of your family and people). So please , stop chewing your stupid propaganda (nobody believes out of Israel, for sure not in Eurpe, maybe in some McDonald's in Tenesse...) and LOOK FOR A PACIFIC SOLUTION (and you hd the chance in the past, but you want the WHOLE CAKE in the name of the Tora, a book some priest/politician wrote, remember?). If not, go to Palestine (as I did) , and talk from YOUR OWN MOUTH. And PLEASE, stop polluting every media with your fake facts and Eternal Truth. This is a Security Mailing list, for people who (shouldn't) believe in your crap, people with interest in Absolute Truth from HIS OWN EXPERIENCE (isn't that Full Disclosure?). Shalom (remeber? It means PEACE ). ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Full-Disclosure wouldn't let me post this message
Just keeping on par with you, lover boy. On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at :58 AM, n3td3v wrote: > I didn't think either three of you could come up with an intellectual > reply thats on-topic with the thread, that would be asking too much > from the usual clowns who follow me around. > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at :10 AM, Ureleet wrote: > > is this really what ur wasting ur life, and ours with? 1 fucking > > word? get a fucking job. > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at :51 PM, Biz Marqee wrote: > > Stop being a cry baby and go choke yourself to death on your fathers cock > > you drug fucked faggot. > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at :33 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > > They shouldn't let you post at all. > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] [USN-701-1] Thunderbird vulnerabilities
=== Ubuntu Security Notice USN-701-1 January 06, 2009 thunderbird vulnerabilities CVE-2008-5500, CVE-2008-5503, CVE-2008-5506, CVE-2008-5507, CVE-2008-5508, CVE-2008-5510, CVE-2008-5511, CVE-2008-5512 === A security issue affects the following Ubuntu releases: Ubuntu 7.10 Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Ubuntu 8.10 This advisory also applies to the corresponding versions of Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Xubuntu. The problem can be corrected by upgrading your system to the following package versions: Ubuntu 7.10: thunderbird 2.0.0.19+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10.1 Ubuntu 8.04 LTS: thunderbird 2.0.0.19+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 Ubuntu 8.10: thunderbird 2.0.0.19+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.10.1 After a standard system upgrade you need to restart Thunderbird to effect the necessary changes. Details follow: Several flaws were discovered in the browser engine. If a user had Javascript enabled, these problems could allow an attacker to crash Thunderbird and possibly execute arbitrary code with user privileges. (CVE-2008-5500) Boris Zbarsky discovered that the same-origin check in Thunderbird could be bypassed by utilizing XBL-bindings. If a user had Javascript enabled, an attacker could exploit this to read data from other domains. (CVE-2008-5503) Marius Schilder discovered that Thunderbird did not properly handle redirects to an outside domain when an XMLHttpRequest was made to a same-origin resource. When Javascript is enabled, it's possible that sensitive information could be revealed in the XMLHttpRequest response. (CVE-2008-5506) Chris Evans discovered that Thunderbird did not properly protect a user's data when accessing a same-domain Javascript URL that is redirected to an unparsable Javascript off-site resource. If a user were tricked into opening a malicious website and had Javascript enabled, an attacker may be able to steal a limited amount of private data. (CVE-2008-5507) Chip Salzenberg, Justin Schuh, Tom Cross, and Peter William discovered Thunderbird did not properly parse URLs when processing certain control characters. (CVE-2008-5508) Kojima Hajime discovered that Thunderbird did not properly handle an escaped null character. An attacker may be able to exploit this flaw to bypass script sanitization. (CVE-2008-5510) Several flaws were discovered in the Javascript engine. If a user were tricked into opening a malicious website and had Javascript enabled, an attacker could exploit this to execute arbitrary Javascript code within the context of another website or with chrome privileges. (CVE-2008-5511, CVE-2008-5512) Updated packages for Ubuntu 7.10: Source archives: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird/thunderbird_2.0.0.19+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10.1.diff.gz Size/MD5: 125751 295c96e93f293e2b6e750ce7c40e5d54 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird/thunderbird_2.0.0.19+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10.1.dsc Size/MD5: 1683 91959458598f0953fa4c81ceb61c6216 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird/thunderbird_2.0.0.19+nobinonly.orig.tar.gz Size/MD5: 40350774 e28d81325c073baf1bb7a77e342d74ff Architecture independent packages: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird-dev_2.0.0.19+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10.1_all.deb Size/MD5:60200 ca3121034c2abad22f664891f1e5e2c8 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird_2.0.0.19+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10.1_all.deb Size/MD5:60186 ed4fbdb2b07db6c04453f46c67faca57 amd64 architecture (Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon): http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird/thunderbird-dev_2.0.0.19+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10.1_amd64.deb Size/MD5: 3778360 b45367fb0c80075f46270c6ed7478eaa http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird/thunderbird-gnome-support_2.0.0.19+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10.1_amd64.deb Size/MD5:85370 3a400c668b9da9216863be4a6630a96e http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird/thunderbird_2.0.0.19+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10.1_amd64.deb Size/MD5: 12429548 069f7cdcc8ba893fb7e3f126d45153c6 i386 architecture (x86 compatible Intel/AMD): http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird/thunderbird-dev_2.0.0.19+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10.1_i386.deb Size/MD5: 3766622 bad0e1549e66122e16d3b89d64968ffe http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird/thunderbird-gnome-support_2.0.0.19+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10.1_i386.deb Size/MD5:80714 714dbb475a909fe9d5afe500a1128a6f http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird/thunderbird_2.0.0.19+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10.1_i386.deb Size/MD5: 11000200 67a82135268a9e9939442eaf59d904fa lpia architecture (Low Power Intel Architecture): http://ports.u
[Full-disclosure] [USN-701-2] Thunderbird vulnerabilities
=== Ubuntu Security Notice USN-701-2 January 06, 2009 mozilla-thunderbird vulnerabilities CVE-2008-5500, CVE-2008-5503, CVE-2008-5506, CVE-2008-5507, CVE-2008-5508, CVE-2008-5511, CVE-2008-5512 === A security issue affects the following Ubuntu releases: Ubuntu 6.06 LTS This advisory also applies to the corresponding versions of Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Xubuntu. The problem can be corrected by upgrading your system to the following package versions: Ubuntu 6.06 LTS: mozilla-thunderbird 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15~prepatch080614i-0ubuntu0.6.06.1 After a standard system upgrade you need to restart Thunderbird to effect the necessary changes. Details follow: Several flaws were discovered in the browser engine. If a user had Javascript enabled, these problems could allow an attacker to crash Thunderbird and possibly execute arbitrary code with user privileges. (CVE-2008-5500) Boris Zbarsky discovered that the same-origin check in Thunderbird could be bypassed by utilizing XBL-bindings. If a user had Javascript enabled, an attacker could exploit this to read data from other domains. (CVE-2008-5503) Marius Schilder discovered that Thunderbird did not properly handle redirects to an outside domain when an XMLHttpRequest was made to a same-origin resource. When Javascript is enabled, it's possible that sensitive information could be revealed in the XMLHttpRequest response. (CVE-2008-5506) Chris Evans discovered that Thunderbird did not properly protect a user's data when accessing a same-domain Javascript URL that is redirected to an unparsable Javascript off-site resource. If a user were tricked into opening a malicious website and had Javascript enabled, an attacker may be able to steal a limited amount of private data. (CVE-2008-5507) Chip Salzenberg, Justin Schuh, Tom Cross, and Peter William discovered Thunderbird did not properly parse URLs when processing certain control characters. (CVE-2008-5508) Several flaws were discovered in the Javascript engine. If a user were tricked into opening a malicious website and had Javascript enabled, an attacker could exploit this to execute arbitrary Javascript code within the context of another website or with chrome privileges. (CVE-2008-5511, CVE-2008-5512) Updated packages for Ubuntu 6.06 LTS: Source archives: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird_1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15~prepatch080614i-0ubuntu0.6.06.1.diff.gz Size/MD5: 457871 6708c462f15f2f2a6baff4e29c89f30a http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird_1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15~prepatch080614i-0ubuntu0.6.06.1.dsc Size/MD5: 1050 afa2249f6dc30aab41be123a9dc4ee37 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird_1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15~prepatch080614i.orig.tar.gz Size/MD5: 38496066 4cfc246095c4d0aed823957286b3d78e amd64 architecture (Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon): http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird-dev_1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15~prepatch080614i-0ubuntu0.6.06.1_amd64.deb Size/MD5: 3594116 be08ab02c9d79056d6633df8204ac697 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird-inspector_1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15~prepatch080614i-0ubuntu0.6.06.1_amd64.deb Size/MD5: 195036 3388af5706c609fd857af0b4c83baaaf http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird-typeaheadfind_1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15~prepatch080614i-0ubuntu0.6.06.1_amd64.deb Size/MD5:60284 e48244b6f33777de63390a186f00a587 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird_1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15~prepatch080614i-0ubuntu0.6.06.1_amd64.deb Size/MD5: 12121434 1874cff31d6f97f46d44b7912d8a209e i386 architecture (x86 compatible Intel/AMD): http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird-dev_1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15~prepatch080614i-0ubuntu0.6.06.1_i386.deb Size/MD5: 3587984 87ca4cd810a3aef5f0031f87fe2b4093 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird-inspector_1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15~prepatch080614i-0ubuntu0.6.06.1_i386.deb Size/MD5: 188476 6067997901bf2298f86f154ed75605de http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird-typeaheadfind_1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15~prepatch080614i-0ubuntu0.6.06.1_i386.deb Size/MD5:55808 9223b79d4b57a4288723fb9247f09016 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird_1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15~prepatch080614i-0ubuntu0.6.06.1_i386.deb Size/MD5: 10391474 2dae030db3d78d5eeea2d2b262017083 powerpc architecture (Apple Macintosh G3/G4/G5): http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla
Re: [Full-disclosure] n3td3v is big in the security community protecting the UK against the threats.
Only in their own minds. Delusions of grandeur my friend. On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:50 AM, n3td3v wrote: > http://twitter.com/n3td3v/status/1100384047 > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
Avraham Schneider, You make it worse: You use the bible! This is war! This is not a believe. I believe in the bible, but we cannot and maynot use a religion when we are talking about facts! Don't use the bible to defend yourself. This is not a game... 2009/1/6 Avraham Schneider > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > > Relativisation in this case is neccessary, because the UK took this land > > from arabians, > > and gived it to jews mostly because it was > > supposedly them promised land. > > Before that maybe not much arabians was living there, but still it was > them > > land. > > The not legit attribution in 1948 of the land to israel was the conflict > > starter and still today, now excuses have changed, palestinian are > throwing > > rocks and old school rockets around the border in israel. > > What have changed so far ? as i sayed in my first post on this topic, > israel > > is very young 61 years old, and have been in war with all of them > neighbors, > > also while fighting with them, israel once again has taken more land > during > > theses wars. > > History time-line (facts) > 17th-6th C. BCE > > c.17th century (BCE) - Abraham, Isaac, Jacob - patriarchs of the > Jewish people and bearers of a belief in one God - settle in the Land > of Israel. Famine forces Israelites to migrate to Egypt. > c.13th century (BCE) - Exodus from Egypt: Moses leads Israelites from > Egypt, followed by 40 years of wandering in the desert. > Torah, including the Ten Commandments, received at Mount Sinai. > 13th-12th centuries (BCE) - Israelites settle in the Land of Israel > c.1020 (BCE) - Jewish monarchy established; Saul, first king. > c.1000 (BCE) - Jerusalem made capital of David's kingdom. > c.960 (BCE) - First Temple, the national and spiritual center of the > Jewish people, built in Jerusalem by King Solomon. > c. 930 (BCE) - Divided kingdom: Judah and Israel > 722-720 (BCE) - Israel crushed by Assyrians; 10 tribes exiled (Ten Lost > Tribes). > 586 (BCE) - Judah conquered by Babylonia; Jerusalem and First Temple > destroyed; most Jews exiled. > 538 - 142 (BCE) - Persian and Hellenistic periods > 538 - 515 (BCE) - Many Jews return from Babylonia; Temple rebuilt. > 332 (BCE) - Land conquered by Alexander the Great; Hellenistic rule. > 166-160 (BCE) - Maccabean (Hasmonean) revolt against restrictions on > practice of Judaism and desecration of the Temple > 142-129 (BCE) - Jewish autonomy under Hasmoneans. > 129-63 (BCE) - Jewish independence under Hasmonean monarchy. > 63 (BCE) - Jerusalem captured by Roman general, Pompey. > 63-4 BCE - Herod, Roman vassal king, rules the Land of Israel; Temple > in Jerusalem refurbished > c. 20-33 (CE) - Ministry of Jesus of Nazareth > 66 (CE) - Jewish revolt against the Romans > 70 (CE) - Destruction of Jerusalem and Second Temple. > 73 (CE) - Last stand of Jews at Masada. > 132-135 (CE) - Bar Kokhba uprising against Rome. > 614 (CE) - Persian invasion > 636-1099 (CE) - Arab rule > 691 (CE) - On site of First and Second Temples in Jerusalem, Dome of > the Rock built by Caliph Abd el-Malik. > 1099-1291 (CE) - Crusader domination (Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem) > 1291-1516 (CE) - Mamluk rule > 1517-1917 (CE) - Ottoman rule > 1882-1903 (CE) - First Aliya (large-scale immigration), mainly from Russia. > 1897 (CE) - First Zionist Congress convened by Theodor Herzl in Basel, > Switzerland; Zionist Organization founded. > 1904-14 (CE) - Second Aliya, mainly from Russia and Poland. > 1909 (CE) - First kibbutz, Degania, and first modern all-Jewish city, > Tel Aviv, founded. > 1917 (CE) - 400 years of Ottoman rule ended by British > conquest;British Foreign Minister Balfour pledges support for > establishment of a "Jewish national home in Palestine" > 1918-48 (CE) - British rule > > > As you can see, it was not taken from Arabs but was given by the > British, who took it from the Ottomans. > > > > > I can understand why palestinian mothers are telling to theirs sons to > wear > > a bomb, and blow themself to kill some israelians, i totally do not > approve > > this, but as a mather of fact, i understand the despair for this people > > (open-mind is a crime ?). > teaching your kid to strap a bomb against their chest and commit > suicide while murdering innocent people is much more like child abuse > than being open-minded if you ask me. I think others here would > concur. > > > > > Also as i sayed in my first post, another problem of Israelites is that > > they think they are elected by god... and then are superior to any other > > race/religion, i'm not inventing nothing here.. it's written in the > Thora. > > > > Just this fact is a fundamental communication problem, for any discution > > because persons such as Avraham will always overlook the others point of > > view. > I think a bigger communication problem is being blind (on purpose) to > facts. > > > > > I'm not pro-palestinian > Could have fooled me. > > > or pro-israel, the only thing i know is >
[Full-disclosure] n3td3v is big in the security community protecting the UK against the threats.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Bat signal.
Robin responding. Holy email list batman, it's a false alarm! ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] A tool to identify the MD5 certs on FF
This is a very nice tool. Thanks I am going to test it out now. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Mark Sec wrote: > MMM Efrain Torres a new module for identify CA with metasploit. > > -mark > > > 2009/1/2 Aiko Barz > >> On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 06:19:01PM -0500, Memisyazici, Aras wrote: >> > SSL Blacklist now detects and warns about certificate chains that use >> the MD5 algorithm for RSA signatures. >> >> Does anybody know a plugin that keeps track of the used certificates and >> CAs? I tried "certificate patrol" [1]. But I wasn't too happy... >> >> I would like to get warnings, whenever a fingerprint changes. For >> example: >> >> INFO:The certificate fingerprint has changed. >> The new certificate is signed by the same CA. >> Details... >> >> WARNING: The certificate fingerprint has changed. >> The new certificate is signed by a different CA. >> A possible MITM attack has been detected. >> Details... >> >> So long, >>Aiko >> >> [1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6415 >> -- >> :wq ✉ >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAklea0wACgkQemsPkv+IVCGFrQCfQxlBaThYbgxNFuvtbLR40oJI >> 6jYAn1UH9GLYMrRfKEZmFdEF1ATgDTVv >> =7Czh >> -END PGP SIGNATURE- >> >> ___ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > -- http://www.astorandblack.com ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] Bat signal.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] A tool to identify the MD5 certs on FF
MMM Efrain Torres a new module for identify CA with metasploit. -mark 2009/1/2 Aiko Barz > On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 06:19:01PM -0500, Memisyazici, Aras wrote: > > SSL Blacklist now detects and warns about certificate chains that use the > MD5 algorithm for RSA signatures. > > Does anybody know a plugin that keeps track of the used certificates and > CAs? I tried "certificate patrol" [1]. But I wasn't too happy... > > I would like to get warnings, whenever a fingerprint changes. For > example: > > INFO:The certificate fingerprint has changed. > The new certificate is signed by the same CA. > Details... > > WARNING: The certificate fingerprint has changed. > The new certificate is signed by a different CA. > A possible MITM attack has been detected. > Details... > > So long, >Aiko > > [1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6415 > -- > :wq ✉ > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAklea0wACgkQemsPkv+IVCGFrQCfQxlBaThYbgxNFuvtbLR40oJI > 6jYAn1UH9GLYMrRfKEZmFdEF1ATgDTVv > =7Czh > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Full-Disclosure wouldn't let me post this message
I didn't think either three of you could come up with an intellectual reply thats on-topic with the thread, that would be asking too much from the usual clowns who follow me around. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Ureleet wrote: > is this really what ur wasting ur life, and ours with? 1 fucking > word? get a fucking job. > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Biz Marqee wrote: > Stop being a cry baby and go choke yourself to death on your fathers cock > you drug fucked faggot. > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:33 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > They shouldn't let you post at all. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] "Security Assessment of the Internet Protocol" & the IETF
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Folks, In August 2008 the UK CPNI (United Kingdom's Centre for the Protection of National Infrastructure) published the document "Security Assessment of the Internet Protocol". The motivation of the aforementioned document is explained in the Preface of the document itself. (The paper is available at: http://www.cpni.gov.uk/Docs/InternetProtocol.pdf ) Once the paper was published by CPNI, I produced an IETF Internet-Draft version of the same paper, with the intent of having the IETF publish recommendations and/or update the specifications where necessary. This IETF Internet-Draft is available at: http://www.gont.com.ar/drafts/ip-security/index.html (and of course it's also available at the IETF I-D repository). The Internet-Draft I published was aimed at the OPSEC WG. And the Working Group is right now deciding whether to accept this document as a WG item. This is certainly a critical step. Having the OPSEC WG accept this document as a WG item would guarantee to some extent that the IETF will do something about all this, and would also somehow set a precedent in updating the specifications of core protocols and/or providing advice on security aspects of them. The call for consensus is available at: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/opsec/current/msg00373.html . You can voice your opinion on the relevant mailing-list sending an e-mail to op...@ietf.org . You don't need to subscribe to the mailing list to post a message (although your message will be held for moderator approval before it is distributed to the list members). The deadline for posting your opinion is January 9th (next Friday). Thanks so much! Kind regards, Fernando Gont -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Desktop 9.5.3 (Build 5003) - not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com wsBVAwUBSWK2AZbuqe/Qdv/xAQi1/AgAn+H3N3LHqbOxrl1HRXX0D2WULRfz7Ni8 VnV3pltrsSmRKXWvflgsrIhwdR0s2nzoFI7mh42Eks2EErKY596kj0CMhUqjQmZT +Oqgaw0jz7XuGadeN6nErze8AOTA5HzIsK+hl93C/qGoyucW42XKNdeJZlXgOp2Q 8RAKGeogoPNAMw0btVNUj6HZP0dLaqM+2VuQSx9Vr1OIU01+WZ9z/BMQwjKgAl91 sixOPNXZeMT07GCqS03UWGGv+USyw3ksgc2n+X6IOv/HmOOAwduqFyGu6BzzEIDE H86b4DAiye5f5qARrx5JNdsGEK11uWY/H1lFTOu6oP+GXZwkyfv5gg== =m6sI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Fernando Gont e-mail: ferna...@gont.com.ar || fg...@acm.org PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1 ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] About Israel-Palestine affair
First of all, I apologiye for talking about this in a security mailing list, but seeing all controversz around, I would like to make clear some facts: 1) Israel is using a revenge politics for ages. Eye for 1000 eyes, I would call it, cancelling passes thru the borders to palestinian residents, indiscriminate bombing, etc. 2)You want facts? Sure, -Fri Jan 2, 2009 6:57pm EST. Israeli armored forces remained poised on the Gaza border for a possible ground operation, a week after Israel launched devastating air strikes with the declared aim of ending rocket attacks on its southern towns. Gaza medical officials put the Palestinian casualty toll at least 429 dead and 2,000 wounded. A United Nations agency said more than a quarter of those killed in the Gaza Strip were civilians. A leading Palestinian human rights group put the figure at 40 percent. Four Israelis have been killed by Palestinian rockets since Israel's offensive began, including longer-range weapons that have hit the port of Ashdod and the desert town of Beersheba, forcing schools to shut and residents to scurry for shelter. (as usual, 4 soldiers dead, 400 palestinian murdered in revenge, no surprise, old school Sharon style). In the Israeli-blockaded Gaza Strip, 1.5 million Palestinians are unable to escape the conflict. Residents face bombs, missiles and flickering electricity, and queue for bread along streets littered with broken glass and other debris. Ten Palestinians were killed Friday in more than 30 Israeli air strikes. Seven of them were civilians, including five children, local medics said. One missile killed three Palestinian children aged between eight and 12 as they played on a street near the town of Khan Yunis in the south of the strip. One was decapitated. Islamist fighters fired rockets at Israel's ancient port of Ashkelon, blowing out windows in an apartment building. Another house took a direct hit from a long-range missile later in the day, and cars were set ablaze. (extract from http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSLS69391620090102?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews ) This is the truth. These are the facts. Israel has a constant harassment and punishment politic against palestinian people. I don' t care about what your politics could BUY in the 20's with the help of USA, I don't cry for your soldiers (as they accept a job where they are well paid to possibly DIE) , I care about families who cannot meet each other. I care about total block of basic supplies (and don't give me that shit about humanitarian help, etc... these are people, not begging anything, they have their rights and Israel decides when they have them and when they don't). I am spanish, quite neutral until I ' ve seen what this dammed people (much more extremist than Hamas, but with suits, crying and smiles they look like poor nice bussinessmen, they suffered so much in the past..) have done to a beautiful land. They grow kids in hate for Palestinian (you can say Palestinian too, but this is a normal after the massacre of your family and people). So please , stop chewing your stupid propaganda (nobody believes out of Israel, for sure not in Eurpe, maybe in some McDonald's in Tenesse...) and LOOK FOR A PACIFIC SOLUTION (and you hd the chance in the past, but you want the WHOLE CAKE in the name of the Tora, a book some priest/politician wrote, remember?). If not, go to Palestine (as I did) , and talk from YOUR OWN MOUTH. And PLEASE, stop polluting every media with your fake facts and Eternal Truth. This is a Security Mailing list, for people who (shouldn't) believe in your crap, people with interest in Absolute Truth from HIS OWN EXPERIENCE (isn't that Full Disclosure?). Shalom (remeber? It means PEACE ). ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] to those who want moderation...
2009/1/6 Mark Andrews : > > In message <8a6b8e350901060333m75f10c89q1892d65370c29...@mail.gmail.com>, > "Jame > s Matthews" writes: > >> Full Disclosure is like free speech. We cannot have moderation if we want to >> have freedom on the list. Thats life. > >But is expected that list members will self moderate and >keep on topic. I've been on plenty of lists which are >unmoderated over the years. This *one* is the only one >where members continue to deliberately post off topic >messages for days after it is pointed out that the discussion >is off topic for the list. >Mark You should stay on topic and keep your OT-opinions for yourself. thanks. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
Avraham Schneider wrote: > Just one last thing - for those upset by this long completely off topic > thread: > > http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6579 Or you could have some dignity and show respect to your peers and respect their wishes of removing this nonsense from this type of forum. How many people asked this? Yet you still act like a child. You deserve to be bitch-slapped. > > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Rob Thompson > wrote: >> Avraham Schneider wrote: >>> I am sure many subscribers to this list will be delighted. >>> >>> I am sure they would be even more delighted if you stopped as well. >> We would have been delighted if you f'ing tools would have stopped a few >> DAYS ago. >> >> Too little, too late, jackass. >> >> -- >> Rob >> >> +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ >> | _ | >> | ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) | >> | - against HTML email X | >> |/ \ | >> | | >> +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ >> -- Rob +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ | _ | | ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) | | - against HTML email X | |/ \ | | | +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
Just one last thing - for those upset by this long completely off topic thread: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6579 On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Rob Thompson wrote: > Avraham Schneider wrote: >> I am sure many subscribers to this list will be delighted. >> >> I am sure they would be even more delighted if you stopped as well. > > We would have been delighted if you f'ing tools would have stopped a few > DAYS ago. > > Too little, too late, jackass. > > -- > Rob > > +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ > | _ | > | ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) | > | - against HTML email X | > |/ \ | > | | > +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
Avraham Schneider wrote: > I am sure many subscribers to this list will be delighted. > > I am sure they would be even more delighted if you stopped as well. We would have been delighted if you f'ing tools would have stopped a few DAYS ago. Too little, too late, jackass. -- Rob +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ | _ | | ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) | | - against HTML email X | |/ \ | | | +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] FD / lists.grok.org - bad SSL cert
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Gary Wilson wrote: > > On Mon, January 5, 2009 19:01, James Matthews wrote: >> SSL certs cost money. This one works the same. etc.. >> > > Well whilst I agree the self generated ones or whatever work well, I find > it amusing that a _security_ based list is using one, and then expects > people in the security industry to blindly accept or add exceptions for it > - my irony alarm is going overtime at that one. I certainly wouldn't add > an exception, as it's not a trusted website to me. I'm sure others would > see it the same. What's the worst case? Someone sniffing your unsub request? It's not like an e-commerce website. I don't see why FD should even have SSL in the first place. I would guess the webmaster simply added SSL to allow those who have port 80 to full-disclosure (containing malicious code) filtered... I think you are over-dramatizing 'the irony'. > > Doesn't matter now, as I'm unsubbed via the mail method, because FD just > has too much noise-signal these days. > > > > -- > / Gary Wilson, aka dragon/dragonlord/dragonv480\ > .'(_.--. e: dra...@northernscum.org.uk MSN: dragonv480 .--._)`. > < _ | FB: http://profile.to/gary_wilson_horse_dentist/ | _ > > `.( `--' w: http://volvo480.northernscum.org.uk `--' ).' > \w: http://www.northernscum.org.uk / > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
"You started this thread with propaganda lies." Wrong, i didn't start any topic at all, just answering to some gratis propaganda. "You bring no facts to support your claims." i did, i guess didn't approve them, so it turns to no fact in your vision "This thread is going nowhere." true Cheers 2009/1/6 Avraham Schneider > You started this thread with propaganda lies. > > You bring no facts to support your claims. > > This thread is going nowhere. > > Plus your typos have turned from funny to annoying. > > Therefore I am done with this thread. > > I am sure many subscribers to this list will be delighted. > > I am sure they would be even more delighted if you stopped as well. > > > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:59 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > > w00t quoting party :) > > > > "It is obvious that you are also against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. > > The reason the US is fighting there is close to the reason why > > Israelis are fighting in Gaza - to ensure peace to their citizens. > > Should I remind you of 9-11?" > > > > haha i was waiting that one, this is another conflict that i wont get in, > > but propaganda style is the same. > > > > "As you can see, it was not taken from Arabs but was given by the > > British, who took it from the Ottomans." > > Do you need glasses ? -> "the UK took this land from arabians, and gived > it > > to jews mostly because it was > > supposedly them promised land." > > > > "teaching your kid to strap a bomb against their chest and commit > > > > suicide while murdering innocent people is much more like child abuse > > than being open-minded if you ask me. I think others here would > > concur." > > > > I sayed that i understand why, but i do not approve,(this fact is > open-mind) > > i guess you do need glasses. > > > > "Jews != Israel > > A Jew is a decendent of Avraham, Isac and Jacob on the father side, > > having a Jewish mother. > > Conversion to Judaism is also possible, bud discouraged for reasons I > > will not get into here." > > Let me clarify this too : > > israel = lots of rednecks like you > > Jews = good people in general, as others religions&atheist. > > So for god sake dont insult them saying that Jews =israel > > A lots of jews doesn't approve at all israel politics/vision and this > > doesn't make them bad jews. > > > > "Jacob's name was changed by G-d to Israel - you can find it in the > > Torah - not that I expect or want you to read it." > > You totally need glasses, i sayed that i readed the bible and the thora > > once, and also as i see that you have some reading problem i dont > believe > > in none of them or any, yes im an atheist :) > > > > > > > > > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] FW: The war in Palestine
Avarham -- plz find some who CARE about your propaganda and stop spaming > > > -Original Message- > From: Avraham Schneider [mailto:avri.schnei...@gmail.com] > Sent: 6. januar 2009 10:45 > To: j-f sentier > Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine > > if the facts I show you are porpaganda, what would you call your lies? > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:36 AM, j-f sentier > wrote: > > Avraham, dude you 're doing the wrong job, you should sell some > thermo-pump > > or something > > you've big skill in selling/propaganda :) > > > > 2009/1/6 Avraham Schneider > >> > >> The basic facts: > >> > >>* Israel has always tried to prevent injuring civilians. The > >> number of innocent Palestinian civilians intentionally targeted by > >> Israel is precisely zero. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has been > >> trying to pinpoint the terrorists themselves, many of whom > >> unfortunately hide behind civilians as shields, in their houses and > in > >> their mosques. > >>* Despite the recent violence, Israel continues to facilitate > >> humanitarian assistance to Gaza. In just the past few days, while > >> Hamas has continued to fire rockets into Israel, more than 60 > >> truckloads of humanitarian supplies and 105,000 gallons of fuel were > >> transferred to Gaza. Israel also continues to provide 70 percent of > >> Gaza's electricity. > >>* Since Israel's 2005 full withdrawal from Gaza, Hamas has > >> indiscriminately fired more than 6,500 rockets at Israeli population > >> centers; more than 3000 were fired in 2008 alone. > >>* Hamas, backed by Iran, has turned Gaza into a daily launching > >> pad of terror against thousands Israeli civilians for years. > >>* Hamas stores its large cache of illegally smuggled arms in, and > >> launches its daily barrage of missiles from, large civilian > population > >> centers placing innocent Palestinian civilians directly in the line > of > >> fire. > >>* No country in the world would tolerate a situation where its > >> civilians are terrorized daily by rockets fired from across the > >> border. > >>* If American civilians would have become targets to such terror > >> attacks from across the border, does anyone doubt the US would > respond > >> very forcefully? Viewed from this perspective, Israel has shown > >> restraint to date. > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Ed Carp wrote: > >> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Larry Seltzer > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> Also stolen from the Palestinian people: their domain name. > >> > > >> >> Larry Seltzer > >> >> eWEEK.com Security Center Editor > >> > > >> > When someone in the press starts regurgitating lies, I've got to > step > >> > in and say something. > >> > > >> > Lie #1: There was such a country named Palestine, for the > Palestinian > >> > people. > >> > Fact #1: There never was such a country until 1920 - what is today > >> > referred to as "the Palestinian people" were nomadic tribes that > made > >> > their homes in encampments in the deserts of Jordan and Egypt. > >> > "Palestine" was only enacted as a separate protectorate in 1920 by > the > >> > British Mandate in 1920. The region referred to as "Palestine" in > >> > historical terms encompassed a much wider area, comprising Jrodan, > >> > Egypt, and many other Middle Eastern countries. Until 1920, there > >> > never were any formal boundaries or a formal country. > >> > Lie #2: Israel stole Palestine from the Palestinians. > >> > Fact #2: In 1920, the British Mandate formed Palestine for the > intent > >> > of "creating a national home for the Jewish prople" (note this > doesn't > >> > say anything about Arabs or Palestinians). In 1947, the UN > approved > >> > splitting Palestine into two parts - one Jewish, one Arab. In > 1948, > >> > the Jewish part of Palestine declared its independence, calling > itself > >> > "Israel". From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel: > >> > > >> > After 1945 the United Kingdom became embroiled in an increasingly > >> > violent conflict with the Jews.[50] In 1947, the British government > >> > withdrew from commitment to the Mandate of Palestine, stating it > was > >> > unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and > Jews.[51] > >> > The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan > >> > (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, > 1947, > >> > dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish. > >> > Jerusalem was to be designated an international city a corpus > >> > separatum administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its > >> > status.[52] The Jewish community accepted the plan,[53] but the > Arab > >> > League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[54] On December 1, > 1947 > >> > the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a 3-day strike, and Arab > >> > guerrilla attacks began against Jewish targets. Convinced that > these > >> > attacks were merely a prelude to
Re: [Full-disclosure] FD / lists.grok.org - bad SSL cert
On Mon, January 5, 2009 19:01, James Matthews wrote: > SSL certs cost money. This one works the same. etc.. > Well whilst I agree the self generated ones or whatever work well, I find it amusing that a _security_ based list is using one, and then expects people in the security industry to blindly accept or add exceptions for it - my irony alarm is going overtime at that one. I certainly wouldn't add an exception, as it's not a trusted website to me. I'm sure others would see it the same. Doesn't matter now, as I'm unsubbed via the mail method, because FD just has too much noise-signal these days. -- / Gary Wilson, aka dragon/dragonlord/dragonv480\ .'(_.--. e: dra...@northernscum.org.uk MSN: dragonv480 .--._)`. < _ | FB: http://profile.to/gary_wilson_horse_dentist/ | _ > `.( `--' w: http://volvo480.northernscum.org.uk `--' ).' \w: http://www.northernscum.org.uk / ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
You started this thread with propaganda lies. You bring no facts to support your claims. This thread is going nowhere. Plus your typos have turned from funny to annoying. Therefore I am done with this thread. I am sure many subscribers to this list will be delighted. I am sure they would be even more delighted if you stopped as well. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:59 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > w00t quoting party :) > > "It is obvious that you are also against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. > The reason the US is fighting there is close to the reason why > Israelis are fighting in Gaza - to ensure peace to their citizens. > Should I remind you of 9-11?" > > haha i was waiting that one, this is another conflict that i wont get in, > but propaganda style is the same. > > "As you can see, it was not taken from Arabs but was given by the > British, who took it from the Ottomans." > Do you need glasses ? -> "the UK took this land from arabians, and gived it > to jews mostly because it was > supposedly them promised land." > > "teaching your kid to strap a bomb against their chest and commit > > suicide while murdering innocent people is much more like child abuse > than being open-minded if you ask me. I think others here would > concur." > > I sayed that i understand why, but i do not approve,(this fact is open-mind) > i guess you do need glasses. > > "Jews != Israel > A Jew is a decendent of Avraham, Isac and Jacob on the father side, > having a Jewish mother. > Conversion to Judaism is also possible, bud discouraged for reasons I > will not get into here." > Let me clarify this too : > israel = lots of rednecks like you > Jews = good people in general, as others religions&atheist. > So for god sake dont insult them saying that Jews =israel > A lots of jews doesn't approve at all israel politics/vision and this > doesn't make them bad jews. > > "Jacob's name was changed by G-d to Israel - you can find it in the > Torah - not that I expect or want you to read it." > You totally need glasses, i sayed that i readed the bible and the thora > once, and also as i see that you have some reading problem i dont believe > in none of them or any, yes im an atheist :) > > > > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
w00t quoting party :) "It is obvious that you are also against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. The reason the US is fighting there is close to the reason why Israelis are fighting in Gaza - to ensure peace to their citizens. Should I remind you of 9-11?" haha i was waiting that one, this is another conflict that i wont get in, but propaganda style is the same. "As you can see, it was not taken from Arabs but was given by the British, who took it from the Ottomans." Do you need glasses ? -> "the UK took this land from arabians, and gived it to jews mostly because it was supposedly them promised land." "teaching your kid to strap a bomb against their chest and commit suicide while murdering innocent people is much more like child abuse than being open-minded if you ask me. I think others here would concur." I sayed that i understand why, but i do not approve,(this fact is open-mind) i guess you do need glasses. "Jews != Israel A Jew is a decendent of Avraham, Isac and Jacob on the father side, having a Jewish mother. Conversion to Judaism is also possible, bud discouraged for reasons I will not get into here." Let me clarify this too : israel = lots of rednecks like you Jews = good people in general, as others religions&atheist. So for god sake dont insult them saying that Jews =israel A lots of jews doesn't approve at all israel politics/vision and this doesn't make them bad jews. "Jacob's name was changed by G-d to Israel - you can find it in the Torah - not that I expect or want you to read it." You totally need glasses, i sayed that i readed the bible and the thora once, and also as i see that you have some reading problem i dont believe in none of them or any, yes im an atheist :) ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Mainbox Notif wrote: > Avraham Schneider, > > You make it worse: > You use the bible! > This is war! This is not a believe. > > I believe in the bible, but we cannot and maynot use a religion when we are > talking about facts! > > Don't use the bible to defend yourself. > This is not a game... I am not talking about beliefs, I am talking about facts. Those facts happen to be listed in the Torah. Just look at it as archeological evidence if you prefer. > > > > 2009/1/6 Avraham Schneider >> >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM, j-f sentier wrote: >> > Relativisation in this case is neccessary, because the UK took this land >> > from arabians, >> > and gived it to jews mostly because it was >> > supposedly them promised land. >> > Before that maybe not much arabians was living there, but still it was >> > them >> > land. >> > The not legit attribution in 1948 of the land to israel was the conflict >> > starter and still today, now excuses have changed, palestinian are >> > throwing >> > rocks and old school rockets around the border in israel. >> > What have changed so far ? as i sayed in my first post on this topic, >> > israel >> > is very young 61 years old, and have been in war with all of them >> > neighbors, >> > also while fighting with them, israel once again has taken more land >> > during >> > theses wars. >> >> History time-line (facts) >> 17th-6th C. BCE >> >> c.17th century (BCE) - Abraham, Isaac, Jacob - patriarchs of the >> Jewish people and bearers of a belief in one God - settle in the Land >> of Israel. Famine forces Israelites to migrate to Egypt. >> c.13th century (BCE) - Exodus from Egypt: Moses leads Israelites from >> Egypt, followed by 40 years of wandering in the desert. >> Torah, including the Ten Commandments, received at Mount Sinai. >> 13th-12th centuries (BCE) - Israelites settle in the Land of Israel >> c.1020 (BCE) - Jewish monarchy established; Saul, first king. >> c.1000 (BCE) - Jerusalem made capital of David's kingdom. >> c.960 (BCE) - First Temple, the national and spiritual center of the >> Jewish people, built in Jerusalem by King Solomon. >> c. 930 (BCE) - Divided kingdom: Judah and Israel >> 722-720 (BCE) - Israel crushed by Assyrians; 10 tribes exiled (Ten Lost >> Tribes). >> 586 (BCE) - Judah conquered by Babylonia; Jerusalem and First Temple >> destroyed; most Jews exiled. >> 538 - 142 (BCE) - Persian and Hellenistic periods >> 538 - 515 (BCE) - Many Jews return from Babylonia; Temple rebuilt. >> 332 (BCE) - Land conquered by Alexander the Great; Hellenistic rule. >> 166-160 (BCE) - Maccabean (Hasmonean) revolt against restrictions on >> practice of Judaism and desecration of the Temple >> 142-129 (BCE) - Jewish autonomy under Hasmoneans. >> 129-63 (BCE) - Jewish independence under Hasmonean monarchy. >> 63 (BCE) - Jerusalem captured by Roman general, Pompey. >> 63-4 BCE - Herod, Roman vassal king, rules the Land of Israel; Temple >> in Jerusalem refurbished >> c. 20-33 (CE) - Ministry of Jesus of Nazareth >> 66 (CE) - Jewish revolt against the Romans >> 70 (CE) - Destruction of Jerusalem and Second Temple. >> 73 (CE) - Last stand of Jews at Masada. >> 132-135 (CE) - Bar Kokhba uprising against Rome. >> 614 (CE) - Persian invasion >> 636-1099 (CE) - Arab rule >> 691 (CE) - On site of First and Second Temples in Jerusalem, Dome of >> the Rock built by Caliph Abd el-Malik. >> 1099-1291 (CE) - Crusader domination (Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem) >> 1291-1516 (CE) - Mamluk rule >> 1517-1917 (CE) - Ottoman rule >> 1882-1903 (CE) - First Aliya (large-scale immigration), mainly from >> Russia. >> 1897 (CE) - First Zionist Congress convened by Theodor Herzl in Basel, >> Switzerland; Zionist Organization founded. >> 1904-14 (CE) - Second Aliya, mainly from Russia and Poland. >> 1909 (CE) - First kibbutz, Degania, and first modern all-Jewish city, >> Tel Aviv, founded. >> 1917 (CE) - 400 years of Ottoman rule ended by British >> conquest;British Foreign Minister Balfour pledges support for >> establishment of a "Jewish national home in Palestine" >> 1918-48 (CE) - British rule >> >> >> As you can see, it was not taken from Arabs but was given by the >> British, who took it from the Ottomans. >> >> > >> > I can understand why palestinian mothers are telling to theirs sons to >> > wear >> > a bomb, and blow themself to kill some israelians, i totally do not >> > approve >> > this, but as a mather of fact, i understand the despair for this people >> > (open-mind is a crime ?). >> teaching your kid to strap a bomb against their chest and commit >> suicide while murdering innocent people is much more like child abuse >> than being open-minded if you ask me. I think others here would >> concur. >> >> > >> > Also as i sayed in my first post, another problem of Israelites is that >> > they think they are elected by god... and then are superior to any >> > other >> > race/religion, i'm not inventing nothing here.. it's written in the >> > Tho
Re: [Full-disclosure] to those who want moderation...
In message <8a6b8e350901060333m75f10c89q1892d65370c29...@mail.gmail.com>, "Jame s Matthews" writes: > Full Disclosure is like free speech. We cannot have moderation if we want to > have freedom on the list. Thats life. But is expected that list members will self moderate and keep on topic. I've been on plenty of lists which are unmoderated over the years. This *one* is the only one where members continue to deliberately post off topic messages for days after it is pointed out that the discussion is off topic for the list. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: mark_andr...@isc.org ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > Relativisation in this case is neccessary, because the UK took this land > from arabians, > and gived it to jews mostly because it was > supposedly them promised land. > Before that maybe not much arabians was living there, but still it was them > land. > The not legit attribution in 1948 of the land to israel was the conflict > starter and still today, now excuses have changed, palestinian are throwing > rocks and old school rockets around the border in israel. > What have changed so far ? as i sayed in my first post on this topic, israel > is very young 61 years old, and have been in war with all of them neighbors, > also while fighting with them, israel once again has taken more land during > theses wars. History time-line (facts) 17th-6th C. BCE c.17th century (BCE) - Abraham, Isaac, Jacob - patriarchs of the Jewish people and bearers of a belief in one God - settle in the Land of Israel. Famine forces Israelites to migrate to Egypt. c.13th century (BCE) - Exodus from Egypt: Moses leads Israelites from Egypt, followed by 40 years of wandering in the desert. Torah, including the Ten Commandments, received at Mount Sinai. 13th-12th centuries (BCE) - Israelites settle in the Land of Israel c.1020 (BCE) - Jewish monarchy established; Saul, first king. c.1000 (BCE) - Jerusalem made capital of David's kingdom. c.960 (BCE) - First Temple, the national and spiritual center of the Jewish people, built in Jerusalem by King Solomon. c. 930 (BCE) - Divided kingdom: Judah and Israel 722-720 (BCE) - Israel crushed by Assyrians; 10 tribes exiled (Ten Lost Tribes). 586 (BCE) - Judah conquered by Babylonia; Jerusalem and First Temple destroyed; most Jews exiled. 538 - 142 (BCE) - Persian and Hellenistic periods 538 - 515 (BCE) - Many Jews return from Babylonia; Temple rebuilt. 332 (BCE) - Land conquered by Alexander the Great; Hellenistic rule. 166-160 (BCE) - Maccabean (Hasmonean) revolt against restrictions on practice of Judaism and desecration of the Temple 142-129 (BCE) - Jewish autonomy under Hasmoneans. 129-63 (BCE) - Jewish independence under Hasmonean monarchy. 63 (BCE) - Jerusalem captured by Roman general, Pompey. 63-4 BCE - Herod, Roman vassal king, rules the Land of Israel; Temple in Jerusalem refurbished c. 20-33 (CE) - Ministry of Jesus of Nazareth 66 (CE) - Jewish revolt against the Romans 70 (CE) - Destruction of Jerusalem and Second Temple. 73 (CE) - Last stand of Jews at Masada. 132-135 (CE) - Bar Kokhba uprising against Rome. 614 (CE) - Persian invasion 636-1099 (CE) - Arab rule 691 (CE) - On site of First and Second Temples in Jerusalem, Dome of the Rock built by Caliph Abd el-Malik. 1099-1291 (CE) - Crusader domination (Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem) 1291-1516 (CE) - Mamluk rule 1517-1917 (CE) - Ottoman rule 1882-1903 (CE) - First Aliya (large-scale immigration), mainly from Russia. 1897 (CE) - First Zionist Congress convened by Theodor Herzl in Basel, Switzerland; Zionist Organization founded. 1904-14 (CE) - Second Aliya, mainly from Russia and Poland. 1909 (CE) - First kibbutz, Degania, and first modern all-Jewish city, Tel Aviv, founded. 1917 (CE) - 400 years of Ottoman rule ended by British conquest;British Foreign Minister Balfour pledges support for establishment of a "Jewish national home in Palestine" 1918-48 (CE) - British rule As you can see, it was not taken from Arabs but was given by the British, who took it from the Ottomans. > > I can understand why palestinian mothers are telling to theirs sons to wear > a bomb, and blow themself to kill some israelians, i totally do not approve > this, but as a mather of fact, i understand the despair for this people > (open-mind is a crime ?). teaching your kid to strap a bomb against their chest and commit suicide while murdering innocent people is much more like child abuse than being open-minded if you ask me. I think others here would concur. > > Also as i sayed in my first post, another problem of Israelites is that > they think they are elected by god... and then are superior to any other > race/religion, i'm not inventing nothing here.. it's written in the Thora. > > Just this fact is a fundamental communication problem, for any discution > because persons such as Avraham will always overlook the others point of > view. I think a bigger communication problem is being blind (on purpose) to facts. > > I'm not pro-palestinian Could have fooled me. > or pro-israel, the only thing i know is > relativisation in such conflict should be always the first thing to do > before dumping any crap from your brain. Why don't you start then? > > A correction for Avraham: > Jews != Israel A Jew is a decendent of Avraham, Isac and Jacob on the father side, having a Jewish mother. Conversion to Judaism is also possible, bud discouraged for reasons I will not get into here. Jacob's name was changed by G-d to Israel - you can find it in the Torah - not that I expect or want you to read i
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
Relativisation in this case is neccessary, because the UK took this land from arabians, and gived it to jews mostly because it was supposedly them promised land. Before that maybe not much arabians was living there, but still it was them land. The not legit attribution in 1948 of the land to israel was the conflict starter and still today, now excuses have changed, palestinian are throwing rocks and old school rockets around the border in israel. What have changed so far ? as i sayed in my first post on this topic, israel is very young 61 years old, and have been in war with all of them neighbors, also while fighting with them, israel once again has taken more land during theses wars. I can understand why palestinian mothers are telling to theirs sons to wear a bomb, and blow themself to kill some israelians, i totally do not approve this, but as a mather of fact, i understand the despair for this people (open-mind is a crime ?). Also as i sayed in my first post, another problem of Israelites is that they think they are elected by god... and then are superior to any other race/religion, i'm not inventing nothing here.. it's written in the Thora. Just this fact is a fundamental communication problem, for any discution because persons such as Avraham will always overlook the others point of view. I'm not pro-palestinian or pro-israel, the only thing i know is relativisation in such conflict should be always the first thing to do before dumping any crap from your brain. A correction for Avraham: Jews != Israel Sionists != Jews Also you sayed that jews that dont support the state and actions of israel, are not real jews, or have lost the believe, this again is propaganda , as the US government was doing in USA a few years ago, "if you're not for the invasion/war in irak/afghanistan, you're not a real american". 2009/1/6 Ed Carp > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:14 AM, j-f sentier wrote: > > > "what would you call your lies" > > Which lies ? > > You're tunnel-focused on your point, with no relativisation at all, which > > Relativism is for opinions, not for fact. > > > There's two side on a medial, dont forget that, that's why i say you're > > doing propaganda, while criticizing the other propaganda. > > No, there's not - the only side is the truth, the facts, which I guess > you choose to label as lies and propaganda. What was presented is > FACT, not opinion. How can FACT be relative? > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] [SECURITY] [DSA 1694-2] New xterm packages fix regression
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - Debian Security Advisory DSA-1694-2 secur...@debian.org http://www.debian.org/security/ Florian Weimer January 06, 2009 http://www.debian.org/security/faq - Package: xterm Vulnerability : design flaw Problem type : local (remote) Debian-specific: no CVE Id(s) : CVE-2008-2383 Debian Bug : 510030 The xterm update in DSA-1694-1 disabled font changing as a precaution. However, users reported that they need this feature. The update in this DSA makes font shifting through escape sequences configurable, using a new allowFontOps X resource, and unconditionally enables font changing through keyboard sequences. For the stable distribution (etch), this problem has been fixed in version 222-1etch4. For the testing distribution (lenny), this problem has been fixed in version 235-2. For the unstable distribution (sid), this problem has been fixed in version 238-2. We recommend that you upgrade your xterm package. Upgrade instructions - wget url will fetch the file for you dpkg -i file.deb will install the referenced file. If you are using the apt-get package manager, use the line for sources.list as given below: apt-get update will update the internal database apt-get upgrade will install corrected packages You may use an automated update by adding the resources from the footer to the proper configuration. Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 alias etch - --- Source archives: http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xterm/xterm_222.orig.tar.gz Size/MD5 checksum: 802986 bb77882a33083632a9c6c9de004a54fb http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xterm/xterm_222-1etch4.diff.gz Size/MD5 checksum:62608 acdbe0c106d90113e928b74c0fadd671 http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xterm/xterm_222-1etch4.dsc Size/MD5 checksum: 1123 28cd750577ddd92fe4806385758a4f4a alpha architecture (DEC Alpha) http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xterm/xterm_222-1etch4_alpha.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 438792 83ff3b4478eb19fb1924a492d461da15 amd64 architecture (AMD x86_64 (AMD64)) http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xterm/xterm_222-1etch4_amd64.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 417496 b2a1d139d6dec04ed090a931b7cac542 hppa architecture (HP PA RISC) http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xterm/xterm_222-1etch4_hppa.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 423078 4edd0ffec0c3c0f0fb94c17675dc3998 i386 architecture (Intel ia32) http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xterm/xterm_222-1etch4_i386.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 406764 b22526bdba3a5013a7e218c64497efe4 ia64 architecture (Intel ia64) http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xterm/xterm_222-1etch4_ia64.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 510656 708c1978c6cb406a39d7506a490df2a3 mips architecture (MIPS (Big Endian)) http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xterm/xterm_222-1etch4_mips.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 429132 86547da89a11b4d9ef734a5586f38e90 mipsel architecture (MIPS (Little Endian)) http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xterm/xterm_222-1etch4_mipsel.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 426508 3a875826919674e5833ec9687b922e03 powerpc architecture (PowerPC) http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xterm/xterm_222-1etch4_powerpc.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 410788 51f94ca70632508db0a7e02b52ce7d3e s390 architecture (IBM S/390) http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xterm/xterm_222-1etch4_s390.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 423080 a73fa4e7aadaa0195772fee4791be0d2 sparc architecture (Sun SPARC/UltraSPARC) http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xterm/xterm_222-1etch4_sparc.deb Size/MD5 checksum: 411298 bc504d1dec3695fb614563c7e8f629bb These files will probably be moved into the stable distribution on its next update. - - For apt-get: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main For dpkg-ftp: ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security dists/stable/updates/main Mailing list: debian-security-annou...@lists.debian.org Package info: `apt-cache show ' and http://packages.debian.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJJY0LjAAoJEL97/wQC1SS+PkcIAK7bRDF9Bwx7Habkwxq5VtPl U5Q4H2HtWrV3MhPiYQnVZlOlO59Y/BxtBijfsxir91D65FgZxz+7D4t1nQkoQ6Gz /+OC1sai84NuDUjyFN07pUJTCAXJ+wYFMuSecmFAe2sc5BYKv93LYIzHeLQdjMol OTNPjcssDxXraHQpNLGzwDQZGyzqeNSd+xSv0ke4KwODtWkwoktBffjaL13+sXPo pMxltXAsyFi3alNsfOJYgn2BjM87yuDzQO6PpNMSJEgByr27eDTIxEX5Qibxsz8f HN7K0VxHINmU0RxCmZ0aGxCdMMYjp2Vdwes/fnfpeZw7u31b5rfnCnHGUt3Fzzs= =M0EW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Ful
Re: [Full-disclosure] Muslim Hackers Declare CyberWar on Israel
Interestingly enough they hacked into the DNS servers and just redirected the sites to another server as opposed to defacing them. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Ureleet wrote: > drivel > > On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 5:46 PM, n3td3v wrote: > > > http://garwarner.blogspot.com/2008/12/muslim-hackers-declare-cyberwar-on.html > > > > ___ > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > -- http://www.astorandblack.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
Jeez, the "stolen" part was a joke. Finally someone says something on this thread related to computer security and you all jump on me. Larry Seltzer eWEEK.com Security Center Editor http://security.eweek.com/ http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/ Contributing Editor, PC Magazine larry.selt...@ziffdavisenterprise.com -Original Message- From: edc...@gmail.com [mailto:edc...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Ed Carp Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:49 AM To: Larry Seltzer Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Larry Seltzer wrote: > Also stolen from the Palestinian people: their domain name. > Larry Seltzer > eWEEK.com Security Center Editor When someone in the press starts regurgitating lies, I've got to step in and say something. Lie #1: There was such a country named Palestine, for the Palestinian people. Fact #1: There never was such a country until 1920 - what is today referred to as "the Palestinian people" were nomadic tribes that made their homes in encampments in the deserts of Jordan and Egypt. "Palestine" was only enacted as a separate protectorate in 1920 by the British Mandate in 1920. The region referred to as "Palestine" in historical terms encompassed a much wider area, comprising Jrodan, Egypt, and many other Middle Eastern countries. Until 1920, there never were any formal boundaries or a formal country. Lie #2: Israel stole Palestine from the Palestinians. Fact #2: In 1920, the British Mandate formed Palestine for the intent of "creating a national home for the Jewish prople" (note this doesn't say anything about Arabs or Palestinians). In 1947, the UN approved splitting Palestine into two parts - one Jewish, one Arab. In 1948, the Jewish part of Palestine declared its independence, calling itself "Israel". From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel: After 1945 the United Kingdom became embroiled in an increasingly violent conflict with the Jews.[50] In 1947, the British government withdrew from commitment to the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews.[51] The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish. Jerusalem was to be designated an international city - a corpus separatum - administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its status.[52] The Jewish community accepted the plan,[53] but the Arab League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[54] On December 1, 1947 the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a 3-day strike, and Arab guerrilla attacks began against Jewish targets. Convinced that these attacks were merely a prelude to full-scale military confrontations with the regular armies of the Arab states, Ben-Gurion elected to escalate the military conflict. As such, Haganah embarked on a policy of "aggressive defense." This strategy was accompanied by economic subversion and psychological warfare.[55] On May 14, 1948, the day before the end of the British Mandate, the Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel. The following day five Arab countries - Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq -invaded Israel, launching the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.[56] Morocco, Sudan, Yemen and Saudi Arabia also sent troops to assist the invaders. After a year of fighting, a ceasefire was declared and temporary borders, known as the Green Line, were established. Jordan annexed what became known as the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and Egypt took control of the Gaza Strip. Israel was admitted as a member of the United Nations on May 11, 1949.[57] During the war 711,000 Arabs, according to UN estimates, or about 80% of the previous Arab population, fled the country.[58] The fate of the Palestinian refugees today is a major point of contention in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.[59][60] ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] to those who want moderation...
Full Disclosure is like free speech. We cannot have moderation if we want to have freedom on the list. Thats life. On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Warren Myers wrote: > eschew moderation! > > just delete crap you don't want :) > > WMM > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Michael Krymson wrote: > > > > For those that want moderation on this mailing list, please let us all > know how you would like to achieve said moderation on a mailing list > populated by security-conscious persons who may also share a tendency to > aschew rules and/or authority. > > > > Before vomiting out an answer, think a little bit more about it and > continue down that road. > > > > Finally, when you come upon enlightenment, shut up and stop crying about > moderation. > > ___ > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > > -- > > Warren Myers > http://warrenmyers.com > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > -- http://www.goldwatches.com/ http://www.jewelerslounge.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The (net)war in Palestine
This article shows the issue within Syria. People are so scared of the Gov... That they think it puts them through tests etc... On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On January 4, 2009 10:27:19 AM -0600 "Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)" > wrote: > > > > > Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote: > >> Yeah, take all these crap out of a full-disclousure, IT security > >> mailing list, please... > > To keep the discussion on topic, what do you think about the israel > > ability to professionaly arrange national-wide SMS spamming to border > > countries? > > > > http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/2008/12/israeli-telephone-commandos-strike. > > html > > > > Interesting. At the bottom of Paul's post there is a note. > > Note: There are no verifiable external resources listed to support this > claim. -ferg > > IOW, this may or may not be true. > > Paul Schmehl, If it isn't already > obvious, my opinions are my own > and not those of my employer. > ** > WARNING: Check the headers before replying > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > -- http://www.goldwatches.com/ http://www.jewelerslounge.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:14 AM, j-f sentier wrote: > "what would you call your lies" > Which lies ? > You're tunnel-focused on your point, with no relativisation at all, which Relativism is for opinions, not for fact. > There's two side on a medial, dont forget that, that's why i say you're > doing propaganda, while criticizing the other propaganda. No, there's not - the only side is the truth, the facts, which I guess you choose to label as lies and propaganda. What was presented is FACT, not opinion. How can FACT be relative? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: The war in Palestine
Thanks for the compliment. No I am not G-d, but I understand your excitement to words of truth after you've been so long in the dark. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:37 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > Here's God ! :) > > > 2009/1/6 Avraham Schneider >> >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:14 PM, j-f sentier wrote: >> > "what would you call your lies" >> > Which lies ? >> Every single one of your points. Read the facts I presented you with, >> they deal with most if not all of them. >> >> > You're tunnel-focused on your point, with no relativisation at all, >> > which >> Forgive me for being right. >> >> > brings your argument not valuable for a penny, when i read your post i >> > feel >> > like reading/listening a tsahal interview/report. >> Forgive the Israeli Defense Forces for being right. >> >> > There's two side on a medial, dont forget that, that's why i say you're >> > doing propaganda, while criticizing the other propaganda. >> No - the media is composed of whatever anyone presents on it - some of >> it is propaganda lies - like the ones you are distributing and some of >> them are based on true facts, like those that I and others are >> presenting. >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] Fwd: The war in Palestine
Here's God ! :) 2009/1/6 Avraham Schneider > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:14 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > > "what would you call your lies" > > Which lies ? > Every single one of your points. Read the facts I presented you with, > they deal with most if not all of them. > > > You're tunnel-focused on your point, with no relativisation at all, which > Forgive me for being right. > > > brings your argument not valuable for a penny, when i read your post i > feel > > like reading/listening a tsahal interview/report. > Forgive the Israeli Defense Forces for being right. > > > There's two side on a medial, dont forget that, that's why i say you're > > doing propaganda, while criticizing the other propaganda. > No - the media is composed of whatever anyone presents on it - some of > it is propaganda lies - like the ones you are distributing and some of > them are based on true facts, like those that I and others are > presenting. > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:14 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > "what would you call your lies" > Which lies ? Every single one of your points. Read the facts I presented you with, they deal with most if not all of them. > You're tunnel-focused on your point, with no relativisation at all, which Forgive me for being right. > brings your argument not valuable for a penny, when i read your post i feel > like reading/listening a tsahal interview/report. Forgive the Israeli Defense Forces for being right. > There's two side on a medial, dont forget that, that's why i say you're > doing propaganda, while criticizing the other propaganda. No - the media is composed of whatever anyone presents on it - some of it is propaganda lies - like the ones you are distributing and some of them are based on true facts, like those that I and others are presenting. > > > > > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
"what would you call your lies" Which lies ? You're tunnel-focused on your point, with no relativisation at all, which brings your argument not valuable for a penny, when i read your post i feel like reading/listening a tsahal interview/report. There's two side on a medial, dont forget that, that's why i say you're doing propaganda, while criticizing the other propaganda. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Full-Disclosure wouldn't let me post this message
Nor does it have "pretentious cunt" filter, so I guess were both out of luck. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at :46 PM, Ed Carp wrote: > I wrote: > > >> address. I get the idea that the list has no COPPA filtering (no one 13 > or > >> younger allowed), nor does it have any sort of maturity level filtering. > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at :51 PM, Biz Marqee wrote: > > > Stop being a cry baby and go choke yourself to death on your fathers cock > > you drug fucked faggot. > > Make that "definitely has no sort of maturity level filtering". > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
if the facts I show you are porpaganda, what would you call your lies? On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:36 AM, j-f sentier wrote: > Avraham, dude you 're doing the wrong job, you should sell some thermo-pump > or something > you've big skill in selling/propaganda :) > > 2009/1/6 Avraham Schneider >> >> The basic facts: >> >>* Israel has always tried to prevent injuring civilians. The >> number of innocent Palestinian civilians intentionally targeted by >> Israel is precisely zero. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has been >> trying to pinpoint the terrorists themselves, many of whom >> unfortunately hide behind civilians as shields, in their houses and in >> their mosques. >>* Despite the recent violence, Israel continues to facilitate >> humanitarian assistance to Gaza. In just the past few days, while >> Hamas has continued to fire rockets into Israel, more than 60 >> truckloads of humanitarian supplies and 105,000 gallons of fuel were >> transferred to Gaza. Israel also continues to provide 70 percent of >> Gaza's electricity. >>* Since Israel's 2005 full withdrawal from Gaza, Hamas has >> indiscriminately fired more than 6,500 rockets at Israeli population >> centers; more than 3000 were fired in 2008 alone. >>* Hamas, backed by Iran, has turned Gaza into a daily launching >> pad of terror against thousands Israeli civilians for years. >>* Hamas stores its large cache of illegally smuggled arms in, and >> launches its daily barrage of missiles from, large civilian population >> centers placing innocent Palestinian civilians directly in the line of >> fire. >>* No country in the world would tolerate a situation where its >> civilians are terrorized daily by rockets fired from across the >> border. >>* If American civilians would have become targets to such terror >> attacks from across the border, does anyone doubt the US would respond >> very forcefully? Viewed from this perspective, Israel has shown >> restraint to date. >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Ed Carp wrote: >> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Larry Seltzer >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Also stolen from the Palestinian people: their domain name. >> > >> >> Larry Seltzer >> >> eWEEK.com Security Center Editor >> > >> > When someone in the press starts regurgitating lies, I've got to step >> > in and say something. >> > >> > Lie #1: There was such a country named Palestine, for the Palestinian >> > people. >> > Fact #1: There never was such a country until 1920 - what is today >> > referred to as "the Palestinian people" were nomadic tribes that made >> > their homes in encampments in the deserts of Jordan and Egypt. >> > "Palestine" was only enacted as a separate protectorate in 1920 by the >> > British Mandate in 1920. The region referred to as "Palestine" in >> > historical terms encompassed a much wider area, comprising Jrodan, >> > Egypt, and many other Middle Eastern countries. Until 1920, there >> > never were any formal boundaries or a formal country. >> > Lie #2: Israel stole Palestine from the Palestinians. >> > Fact #2: In 1920, the British Mandate formed Palestine for the intent >> > of "creating a national home for the Jewish prople" (note this doesn't >> > say anything about Arabs or Palestinians). In 1947, the UN approved >> > splitting Palestine into two parts - one Jewish, one Arab. In 1948, >> > the Jewish part of Palestine declared its independence, calling itself >> > "Israel". From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel: >> > >> > After 1945 the United Kingdom became embroiled in an increasingly >> > violent conflict with the Jews.[50] In 1947, the British government >> > withdrew from commitment to the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was >> > unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews.[51] >> > The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan >> > (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, >> > dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish. >> > Jerusalem was to be designated an international city – a corpus >> > separatum – administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its >> > status.[52] The Jewish community accepted the plan,[53] but the Arab >> > League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[54] On December 1, 1947 >> > the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a 3-day strike, and Arab >> > guerrilla attacks began against Jewish targets. Convinced that these >> > attacks were merely a prelude to full-scale military confrontations >> > with the regular armies of the Arab states, Ben-Gurion elected to >> > escalate the military conflict. As such, Haganah embarked on a policy >> > of "aggressive defense." This strategy was accompanied by economic >> > subversion and psychological warfare.[55] >> > >> > On May 14, 1948, the day before the end of the British Mandate, the >> > Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel. The >> > following day five Arab countries – Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon
Re: [Full-disclosure] FD / lists.grok.org - bad SSL cert
Hi, > It's off topic for this thread. FD, by it's very nature, is designed I wonder why so much effort is spent discussing a self-signed web interface for unsubscribing from a mialing list - when the email headers clearly state how to leave via an email message and not bother with a web interface at all. most decent email clients can deal with such mailing list headers. > Also, don't just change ths subject, please. Make a new thread. Simply > changing the topic does not make it a new thread, many mail clients > show it as part of the same thread. aye. A bane of my life. I wrote a draft RFC which covered 2 mechanisms to allow email clients to break the message thread (specifically unhook the In-Reply-To and Reference headers) if the client detected that a thread was being hijacked (eg subject deleted with a new one - or the entire body of the email deleted (so no reply > lines etc) - unfortunately there wasnt much support :-| alan ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
Avraham, dude you 're doing the wrong job, you should sell some thermo-pump or something you've big skill in selling/propaganda :) 2009/1/6 Avraham Schneider > The basic facts: > >* Israel has always tried to prevent injuring civilians. The > number of innocent Palestinian civilians intentionally targeted by > Israel is precisely zero. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has been > trying to pinpoint the terrorists themselves, many of whom > unfortunately hide behind civilians as shields, in their houses and in > their mosques. >* Despite the recent violence, Israel continues to facilitate > humanitarian assistance to Gaza. In just the past few days, while > Hamas has continued to fire rockets into Israel, more than 60 > truckloads of humanitarian supplies and 105,000 gallons of fuel were > transferred to Gaza. Israel also continues to provide 70 percent of > Gaza's electricity. >* Since Israel's 2005 full withdrawal from Gaza, Hamas has > indiscriminately fired more than 6,500 rockets at Israeli population > centers; more than 3000 were fired in 2008 alone. >* Hamas, backed by Iran, has turned Gaza into a daily launching > pad of terror against thousands Israeli civilians for years. >* Hamas stores its large cache of illegally smuggled arms in, and > launches its daily barrage of missiles from, large civilian population > centers placing innocent Palestinian civilians directly in the line of > fire. >* No country in the world would tolerate a situation where its > civilians are terrorized daily by rockets fired from across the > border. >* If American civilians would have become targets to such terror > attacks from across the border, does anyone doubt the US would respond > very forcefully? Viewed from this perspective, Israel has shown > restraint to date. > > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Ed Carp wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Larry Seltzer > wrote: > > > >> Also stolen from the Palestinian people: their domain name. > > > >> Larry Seltzer > >> eWEEK.com Security Center Editor > > > > When someone in the press starts regurgitating lies, I've got to step > > in and say something. > > > > Lie #1: There was such a country named Palestine, for the Palestinian > people. > > Fact #1: There never was such a country until 1920 - what is today > > referred to as "the Palestinian people" were nomadic tribes that made > > their homes in encampments in the deserts of Jordan and Egypt. > > "Palestine" was only enacted as a separate protectorate in 1920 by the > > British Mandate in 1920. The region referred to as "Palestine" in > > historical terms encompassed a much wider area, comprising Jrodan, > > Egypt, and many other Middle Eastern countries. Until 1920, there > > never were any formal boundaries or a formal country. > > Lie #2: Israel stole Palestine from the Palestinians. > > Fact #2: In 1920, the British Mandate formed Palestine for the intent > > of "creating a national home for the Jewish prople" (note this doesn't > > say anything about Arabs or Palestinians). In 1947, the UN approved > > splitting Palestine into two parts - one Jewish, one Arab. In 1948, > > the Jewish part of Palestine declared its independence, calling itself > > "Israel". From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel: > > > > After 1945 the United Kingdom became embroiled in an increasingly > > violent conflict with the Jews.[50] In 1947, the British government > > withdrew from commitment to the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was > > unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews.[51] > > The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan > > (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, > > dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish. > > Jerusalem was to be designated an international city – a corpus > > separatum – administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its > > status.[52] The Jewish community accepted the plan,[53] but the Arab > > League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[54] On December 1, 1947 > > the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a 3-day strike, and Arab > > guerrilla attacks began against Jewish targets. Convinced that these > > attacks were merely a prelude to full-scale military confrontations > > with the regular armies of the Arab states, Ben-Gurion elected to > > escalate the military conflict. As such, Haganah embarked on a policy > > of "aggressive defense." This strategy was accompanied by economic > > subversion and psychological warfare.[55] > > > > On May 14, 1948, the day before the end of the British Mandate, the > > Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel. The > > following day five Arab countries – Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and > > Iraq –invaded Israel, launching the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.[56] > > Morocco, Sudan, Yemen and Saudi Arabia also sent troops to assist the > > invaders. After a year of fighting, a ceasefire was declared and > > tempor
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
The basic facts: * Israel has always tried to prevent injuring civilians. The number of innocent Palestinian civilians intentionally targeted by Israel is precisely zero. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has been trying to pinpoint the terrorists themselves, many of whom unfortunately hide behind civilians as shields, in their houses and in their mosques. * Despite the recent violence, Israel continues to facilitate humanitarian assistance to Gaza. In just the past few days, while Hamas has continued to fire rockets into Israel, more than 60 truckloads of humanitarian supplies and 105,000 gallons of fuel were transferred to Gaza. Israel also continues to provide 70 percent of Gaza's electricity. * Since Israel's 2005 full withdrawal from Gaza, Hamas has indiscriminately fired more than 6,500 rockets at Israeli population centers; more than 3000 were fired in 2008 alone. * Hamas, backed by Iran, has turned Gaza into a daily launching pad of terror against thousands Israeli civilians for years. * Hamas stores its large cache of illegally smuggled arms in, and launches its daily barrage of missiles from, large civilian population centers placing innocent Palestinian civilians directly in the line of fire. * No country in the world would tolerate a situation where its civilians are terrorized daily by rockets fired from across the border. * If American civilians would have become targets to such terror attacks from across the border, does anyone doubt the US would respond very forcefully? Viewed from this perspective, Israel has shown restraint to date. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Ed Carp wrote: > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Larry Seltzer wrote: > >> Also stolen from the Palestinian people: their domain name. > >> Larry Seltzer >> eWEEK.com Security Center Editor > > When someone in the press starts regurgitating lies, I've got to step > in and say something. > > Lie #1: There was such a country named Palestine, for the Palestinian people. > Fact #1: There never was such a country until 1920 - what is today > referred to as "the Palestinian people" were nomadic tribes that made > their homes in encampments in the deserts of Jordan and Egypt. > "Palestine" was only enacted as a separate protectorate in 1920 by the > British Mandate in 1920. The region referred to as "Palestine" in > historical terms encompassed a much wider area, comprising Jrodan, > Egypt, and many other Middle Eastern countries. Until 1920, there > never were any formal boundaries or a formal country. > Lie #2: Israel stole Palestine from the Palestinians. > Fact #2: In 1920, the British Mandate formed Palestine for the intent > of "creating a national home for the Jewish prople" (note this doesn't > say anything about Arabs or Palestinians). In 1947, the UN approved > splitting Palestine into two parts - one Jewish, one Arab. In 1948, > the Jewish part of Palestine declared its independence, calling itself > "Israel". From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel: > > After 1945 the United Kingdom became embroiled in an increasingly > violent conflict with the Jews.[50] In 1947, the British government > withdrew from commitment to the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was > unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews.[51] > The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan > (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, > dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish. > Jerusalem was to be designated an international city – a corpus > separatum – administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its > status.[52] The Jewish community accepted the plan,[53] but the Arab > League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[54] On December 1, 1947 > the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a 3-day strike, and Arab > guerrilla attacks began against Jewish targets. Convinced that these > attacks were merely a prelude to full-scale military confrontations > with the regular armies of the Arab states, Ben-Gurion elected to > escalate the military conflict. As such, Haganah embarked on a policy > of "aggressive defense." This strategy was accompanied by economic > subversion and psychological warfare.[55] > > On May 14, 1948, the day before the end of the British Mandate, the > Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel. The > following day five Arab countries – Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and > Iraq –invaded Israel, launching the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.[56] > Morocco, Sudan, Yemen and Saudi Arabia also sent troops to assist the > invaders. After a year of fighting, a ceasefire was declared and > temporary borders, known as the Green Line, were established. Jordan > annexed what became known as the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and > Egypt took control of the Gaza Strip. Israel was admitted as a member > of the United Nations on May 11, 1949.[57] During the war 711,000 > Arabs, according to UN estimates, or about 80% of the
