Re: [Full-disclosure] J. A. Terranson
Atte Peltomaki wrote: I get it. This is a place where he gets to feel like a big man. A tough guy. Fine. Whatever floats his boat. While I'm not taking a stand in this issue, I would like to point out that there are quite a few people on this list who push their egos by putting down other people. Remember: Arguing on the Internet is like competing in special olympics. (Even if you win, you're still retarded) Security collects a lot of people like this. Whether male or female they are often pretty brazen. But remember that those of us who descended from 545 Tech Square were fond of calling people's ideas "bogus" way back when too, so there is historical precedent. So I don't worry about it and just figure it goes with the territory and all of that sort of stuff. Have Fun, Sends Steve ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] J. A. Terranson
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005, ghost wrote: J.A.,. give up computers, go play in a sandbox. Did you just admit to threatening to mailbomb someone? lol. Bzzdt. This dude calls me up and starts asking if I'm going to. Out of the blue - like I said psycho central. My first response was to tell him to GFY and hang up. His persistence brought him his future. Look, Alif, Awww... Bonding. How cute. I like you, really I do. All your lame posts attacking people really adds to the list's security awareness, you really are elite. I mean, anyone who puts all their backups on a PUBLIC FTP SERVER can't be too bad of a guy, ya know? Those backups are a hodge podge of stuff from a variety of folks. I have always left that open (provided there is no warez stored). Feel free to join in. I know, I know, you're an *Admin*, you taught the FBI, eric is your toy, and you probably thought you closed it in time. Actually, most of it was moved around over the weekend, but it will be back shortly. Nothing to hide here. Does your wife know about your porn problem? Problem? Whats wrong with my taste in pr0n? You're almost as bad as that n3td3v idiot. Now *thats* fightin' words! (chuckles) In short, all i'm trying to say is, lets not play the one up game. Theres no one up game being played here. Theres some fucking freak who thinks he can call people on their fucking cell phones without picking up a case. It aint so. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF I like the idea of belief in drug-prohibition as a religion in that it is a strongly held belief based on grossly insufficient evidence and bolstered by faith born of intuitions flowing from the very beliefs they are intended to support. don zweig, M.D. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] J. A. Terranson
I think the real issue here is that the rest of us really don't care. If you have a problem with someone, great. But telling us about it doesn't make you any more important in our eyes. In fact, everyone involved in this tit-for-tat is coming off looking very unprofessional. On 8/29/05, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 28 Aug 2005, ghost wrote: J.A.,. give up computers, go play in a sandbox. Did you just admit to threatening to mailbomb someone? lol.Bzzdt.This dude calls me up and starts asking if I'm going to.Out ofthe blue - like I said psycho central.My first response was to tell himto GFY and hang up.His persistence brought him his future. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] J. A. Terranson
I agree. Please stop. Perhaps we could have a count of the 'ayes' to determine whether the list members wish to participate in the drama. I think the real issue here is that the rest of us really don't care. If you have a problem with someone, great. But telling us about it doesn't make you any more important in our eyes. In fact, everyone involved in this tit-for-tat is coming off looking very unprofessional. -- ___Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] J. A. Terranson
On 28/08/05, KF (lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great... thanks for the extra commentary. Now how about you both STFU [..] Perhaps... just lose the ego boosting at the expense of other list members, contributors and lurkers alike? The saddest part is that most parties actually do have valuable experience and knowledge to contribute to the high levels of professionalism that usually found here. But people wont take them as seriously as their skills, experience, and knowledge deserve. We all learn more from constructive peer review of mistakes. One tool contributor that stimulated a LOT of valuable insights is unlikely to volunteer stuff here again because of the way people ripped into him. Its fine to be right about something, even when everyone else *is* ignorant or misguided. The mark of a professional is stimulating scientific debate to produce better understanding for all. Save the flaming for UseNet unmoderated groups and ( if you must ) private email. Passion is fine. Just direct it with rational thoughts about what you hope to achieve socially by its expression! It aint just about what you do. Its how you do it. Process not product. A concept that security professionals understand already. I want to hear from you *all*, OK? But play nice or corrective measures are likely to be applied ( logic: I have no say in this matter ). If that happens, then everyone loses. It denies Full disclosure and makes hypocrites of us all! ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] J. A. Terranson
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Re: [Full-disclosure] J. A. Terranson
and phone numbers :-) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Guys! Stop wasting our time and bandwidth! If you want to argue about bullshit, you have each other's email. Thanks, Honza - -- - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GIT/CS d- s: a-- C$ ULS$ P L+++ E--- W- N+ o? K? w- O? M-+ V? PS PE Y++ PGP+++ !t 5? X++ R tv-- b++ DI+ D++ G e h--- r++ y? - --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\- against microsoft attachments -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDEirLSVzvioqX7FkRA+IdAKDXkrncL9Li1KS5VfF7k2Sigq9pVA CgilEB /dvuV2WGiufAqkt0t4J8jjM= =w0v6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] J. A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and phone numbers :-) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Guys! Stop wasting our time and bandwidth! If you want to argue about bullshit, you have each other's email. Thanks, Honza - -- - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GIT/CS d- s: a-- C$ ULS$ P L+++ E--- W- N+ o? K? w- O? M-+ V? PS PE Y++ PGP+++ !t 5? X++ R tv-- b++ DI+ D++ G e h--- r++ y? - --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\- against microsoft attachments -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDEirLSVzvioqX7FkRA+IdAKDXkrncL9Li1KS5VfF7k2Sigq9pVA CgilEB /dvuV2WGiufAqkt0t4J8jjM= =w0v6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ I want to thanke everyone for helping with my research project. It deals with moderation styles of various groups. From USENET where there was no real moderation for the most part and frequent flamefests, to yahoogroups when saying something offensive to the moderator often causes puniasahment or banning. The two worst being "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and "INTIMACY FOR THE DISABLED" which has a "zero tolerence policy" for the whatever upsets the moderator. One must admit the Biffy Group had production folks involved so wanted to keep them involved, so their wished had to be acceded to and overall it has worked well. Now to us net old timers what goes on here is just another flamewar and mos t of the time if one ignores the combatants whether they are right or wrong they calm down and go away, or at least calm down. I'd suggest Xanax .5mg to 1mg but even if had the power to prescrbe such it would not be medically legitimate to do so without talking to the people involved. Anyway this is most curious and seems like a blast back to the Wild West of the Internet. circa USENET groups, many of which regulaly get abandoned when a different group takes over. I suspect on a mialing list someone has it and could delete people. Of course this if one this isn't a grammar argument but usually that only happens when F users outnumber M users by greater than 3 to one, c.f. Linuxchix but also INTIMACY FOR THE DISABLED, which was sort of a fascist paradise. Anyway it would be nice to calm down and get back to basics. What I was about to ask about was whether a hard to break into and recover infromartion Cryptocard existed that would allow one to put one's private key on it and have it be difficult to recover. The reason I ask this is I have been reading US Federal Court cases and I am getting more and more concerned that even people who feel they are doing little to knothing wrong should encrypt their communication. If one's machine and stuff is seized in a raid then having your private key on an easily obtainable media it does not good. Have Fun, Sends Steve ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] J. A. Terranson
Great... thanks for the extra commentary. Now how about you both shut the fuck up and disclose something, other than the fact that you are both douche knobs. -KF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did a dumb thing today. I decided to be nice to someone who didn't deserve it and correct his mistakes offline so that he wouldn't have to look like a dumbass in public. In return, I got an earful of profanity. Honestly, I should have known better. I've watched Terranson participate on this list long enough to know that he's not merely rude and obnoxious, he's mean. Bottom line, when you're dealing with someone who isn't a particularly good person; there's no point in trying to treat them like a human being. Like the man said; it wastes your time and annoys the pig. I get it. This is a place where he gets to feel like a big man. A tough guy. Fine. Whatever floats his boat. HOWEVER, that's no excuse for: a) Acting like a JackAss. (Is that what the J.A. stands for?) b) PUTTING OUT BAD INFORMATION. For the record, Kid... (Act like a child, you'll get treated like one.) 1) An Autonomous System is a network or group of networks under the control of a single administrator and/or administrative policy. 2) A Multihomed network is one which has more than one WAN connection to one or more service providers. 3) The one has nothing to do with the other. ALL Autonomous systems are NOT multihomed. In fact, the vast majority are not. If you actually understood what an autonomous system was, you'd know that. But then, you wouldn't have put your foot in your mouth. 4) Access Control Lists ARE traffic shaping devices. A device is a contrivance, invention or technique serving a particular purpose. In this case, the purpose being served is the movement of packets. The packets may be moved to another port or they may be moved to the trash. The ACL tells the machine to examine the packet based on certain defined criteria that the administrator chooses and make decisions about the movement of the packet based on that criteria. This may serve a security purpose or it may not. 5) Access Control Lists are constructed in a particular manner; complex to simple. Specific to general. They don't HAVE to be written that way, but they should be and there is a damned good reason for it. Once a packet matches a particular line, the packet is moved. It may go to another port or it may get dropped; but the point is that it doesn't stick around for a second analysis. If you put a deny statement about a particular subnet ABOVE a permit statement for a particular host FROM that subnet, it's too late. The packet from that host has already been dumped. But hey, if you don't mind having a buggy network because you insist on doing things YOUR way, go ahead and write your ACL's any way you want. Not my problem. As has already been pointed out, this is a subject better addressed in a textbook. Whether you want to learn Cisco ACLs, iptables or whatever; you need some in depth subject matter. This is a complex subject and one in which you CLEARLY need remedial study. One last thing, Kid... You said that you could suggest some books for me? If those are the same books that you got YOUR monumentally incorrect information out of, no thanks. I actually know something about this subject, and I'd like to keep it that way. You may now feel free to have the last word. I'd know that sort of thing is important to someone like you. mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
