FVWM: "Stepping down" from next year.

[Thomas Adam]

Hello all,

This is a very quick note to let you all know that as of next year I will be
stepping down as the maintainer of FVWM -- largely this role is a very loose
one, but since I seem to be the most vocal and more visibally active
developer here, I felt it wise to mention this just in case people wonder
where I've gone.

I do not have the time anymore to devote to this project.  As such, I will
still be providing ad-hoc bug-fixes, and general advice, but that's about
all.  I will not be working on any major features.

My last batch of work on this will be to complete module deprecation, even
if that's stub code.  Dominik Vogt and I are completing work on the Git
conversion still, which I am pleased about.

These will be done by early next year.  As soon as that happens, I shall
release FVWM 2.6.4 -- after that, well, that's someone else's problem.  :)

Thanks all.  It's been fun.  :)

-- Thomas Adam

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Re: FVWM: "Stepping down" from next year.

[Kathryn Andersen]

On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 07:43:18PM +, Thomas Adam wrote:
> I do not have the time anymore to devote to this project.  As such, I will
> still be providing ad-hoc bug-fixes, and general advice, but that's about
> all.  I will not be working on any major features.

Thank you Thomas, for all your hard and thorough work.
We'll miss you.
 
> My last batch of work on this will be to complete module deprecation, even
> if that's stub code.  Dominik Vogt and I are completing work on the Git
> conversion still, which I am pleased about.

Hooray for Git! Let's hope that makes it easier for more people to
contribute.
 
K.A.
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Re: FVWM: "Stepping down" from next year.

[despen]

Thomas Adam  writes:

> Hello all,
>
> This is a very quick note to let you all know that as of next year I will be
> stepping down as the maintainer of FVWM -- largely this role is a very loose
> one, but since I seem to be the most vocal and more visibally active
> developer here, I felt it wise to mention this just in case people wonder
> where I've gone.
>
> I do not have the time anymore to devote to this project.  As such, I will
> still be providing ad-hoc bug-fixes, and general advice, but that's about
> all.  I will not be working on any major features.
>
> My last batch of work on this will be to complete module deprecation, even
> if that's stub code.  Dominik Vogt and I are completing work on the Git
> conversion still, which I am pleased about.
>
> These will be done by early next year.  As soon as that happens, I shall
> release FVWM 2.6.4 -- after that, well, that's someone else's problem.  :)
>
> Thanks all.  It's been fun.  :)

This is a thankless job and you are far from the first person to feel
burnt out.  (I'm guessing.)

For my purposes, Fvwm was feature complete after the iconboxes, left
menus and window minimizing animation made their appearance.

I hope that we'll always have enough interested users to at least keep what's
currently working up to date.

Thanks for all your efforts.

-- 
Dan Espen

Re: FVWM: "Stepping down" from next year.

[Thomas Funk]

Von: des...@verizon.net
Gesendet: 07.11.2011 23:24:00

>Having a single maintainer is too much of a burden. I've always been
>surprised that anyone would take on that role.

Yes, that's probably true. I think Thomas is at the end of his power.
The permanent attacks against him the last time weren't very cooperative at all 
...

>If someone comes to this list with a great new idea and convinces the
>few of us that hang around that he's qualified he'll get commit
>privileges and Fvwm get new capabilities.

A great new idea ... there are many ideas but for these ideas we need people
who are willing to show them with config examples and accept constructive 
reviews.
We need also a good default config for new users to show what is possible with 
Fvwm.
We started months ago with them. I created a config based on that ideas but it 
must
be tested and need feedback from the community.

>It's pretty hard to work up any ambition when Fvwm already does
>everything a person wants. (It does for me.)

For me too, but we need more than comments what is bad and should change ...

>Hopefully we have the mechanisms in place for this project to carry
>on to serve that niche of users that want total control and don't need
>GUI's to write configuration files.

Thomas started with his wiki for that but it should extend to get a rich pool 
of information
around of Fvwm.

Thomas

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'console'?
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Re: FVWM: "Stepping down" from next year.

[John Latham]

> >Having a single maintainer is too much of a burden. I've always been
> >surprised that anyone would take on that role.
> 
> Yes, that's probably true. I think Thomas is at the end of his power.
> The permanent attacks against him the last time weren't very cooperative at
> all ...

Wait a moment: surely Thomas' decision isn't influenced by a few (one?), at
best, misguided individuals' attempts to, at best, help in a bad way?

Thomas: please reassure us this is the case?! 
(Or let us protect you from such trivial undermining so you can carry on!)

In fact, if we all call ``encore'' -- would you stay a little longer? ;-)

Re: FVWM: "Stepping down" from next year.

[Thomas Adam]

On Tue, Nov 08, 2011 at 02:28:01AM +, John Latham wrote:
> > >Having a single maintainer is too much of a burden. I've always been
> > >surprised that anyone would take on that role.
> > 
> > Yes, that's probably true. I think Thomas is at the end of his power.
> > The permanent attacks against him the last time weren't very cooperative at
> > all ...
> 
> Wait a moment: surely Thomas' decision isn't influenced by a few (one?), at
> best, misguided individuals' attempts to, at best, help in a bad way?
> 
> Thomas: please reassure us this is the case?!

Nope, nothing like that.  I simply do not have the time anymore.

-- Thomas Adam

Re: FVWM: "Stepping down" from next year.

[Bert Geens]

Hello Thomas,

Thomas Adam  writes:

> Hello all,
>
> This is a very quick note to let you all know that as of next year I will be
> stepping down as the maintainer of FVWM -- largely this role is a very loose
> one, but since I seem to be the most vocal and more visibally active
> developer here, I felt it wise to mention this just in case people wonder
> where I've gone.
>
> I do not have the time anymore to devote to this project.  As such, I will
> still be providing ad-hoc bug-fixes, and general advice, but that's about
> all.  I will not be working on any major features.
>
> My last batch of work on this will be to complete module deprecation, even
> if that's stub code.  Dominik Vogt and I are completing work on the Git
> conversion still, which I am pleased about.
>
Am I correct in assuming that the idea of an FvwmSocket style module is
sort of dead in the water now?
>
> These will be done by early next year.  As soon as that happens, I shall
> release FVWM 2.6.4 -- after that, well, that's someone else's problem.  :)
>
> Thanks all.  It's been fun.  :)
>
Thanks to you Thomas, you got a *lot* done in a very short timespan,
it's a real shame to see you step down, but I hope you'll still have
some time to devote to Fvwm albeit at a more leisurly (sp?) pace than
the one you've kept up so far.

Kind regards,

Bert Geens

Re: FVWM: "Stepping down" from next year.

[Thomas Adam]

On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 09:53:11AM +0100, Bert Geens wrote:
> Am I correct in assuming that the idea of an FvwmSocket style module is
> sort of dead in the water now?

No, I'll be completing that as well as deprecating the other modules.  It
will be someone else's problem as to when/how that's pushed out to users in
such a way that things don't break.  All I am guaranteeing is that the code
for it will be present.

-- Thomas Adam

Re: FVWM: "Stepping down" from next year.

[Michael Großer]

Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
> * Harry portobello [10/11/2011 22:37] :
>>
>>  Did you
>> stop to think that maybe you were the cause for the lack of activity
>> and you leaving is a good thing to fvwm?
> 
> In cases like the one you've described (the main developer holding back the
> community), the project tends to be forked and the community adopts the fork.
> To my knowledge, this hasn't happened to FVWM.
> 
> Emmanuel
> 
> 

The FVWM community indeed does a thing that I initially advised
Harry Portobello to do: To explain.

Thanks for this! I learn a lot about the rules of the open
source movement. I'm sure, I'm not the only one who is
understanding concepts such as this one that Emmanuel Seyman
explained with this contribution just by reading these threads.

Some not so good things like Harry, showing that he constantly
has to to put a question mark over everything that he is surrounded
with, because maybe he still doesn't have found the right strategy
to manage his live, such kind of not so good things sometimes
have a positive flipside: We all learn a lot :-)

Michael

Re: FVWM: "Stepping down" from next year.

[Thomas Adam]

Hi,

On 7 November 2011 19:43, Thomas Adam  wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> This is a very quick note to let you all know that as of next year I will be
> stepping down as the maintainer of FVWM -- largely this role is a very loose
> one, but since I seem to be the most vocal and more visibally active
> developer here, I felt it wise to mention this just in case people wonder
> where I've gone.
>
> I do not have the time anymore to devote to this project.  As such, I will
> still be providing ad-hoc bug-fixes, and general advice, but that's about
> all.  I will not be working on any major features.

I'd hoped to do more on this, but cannot.  I really now do not have
sufficient time to devote to this project.

I will be around if you need me for general questions, etc., a lurker
if you will, but I cannot guarantee or promise an active role in
FVWM's development, and I wouldn't want anyone here to rely on that
possibility.  So until/if that changes, consider me idle.

As far as 2.6.5's release goes, that too will have to be handled by
someone else.

The Wiki and FvwmForums I shall keep ticking over for everyone to enjoy.

I want to thank everyone for their efforts and help over the years.
I've enjoyed it.  :)

Bye bye...

-- Thomas Adam

Re: FVWM: "Stepping down" from next year.

[Thomas Funk]

Thomas Adam wrote:
> I'd hoped to do more on this, but cannot.  I really now do not have
> sufficient time to devote to this project.
>
> I will be around if you need me for general questions, etc., a lurker
> if you will, but I cannot guarantee or promise an active role in
> FVWM's development, and I wouldn't want anyone here to rely on that
> possibility.  So until/if that changes, consider me idle.
>
> As far as 2.6.5's release goes, that too will have to be handled by
> someone else.
>
> The Wiki and FvwmForums I shall keep ticking over for everyone to enjoy.
>
> I want to thank everyone for their efforts and help over the years.
> I've enjoyed it.  :)
>
> Bye bye...
>
> -- Thomas Adam
>
It's too bad that you leave the project :( ... at least you're in the
background, so perhaps, in the future, you'll find time to come back ...
would be fine ...

I wish you all the best and ... what can I say more than thank you very
much for all your help and pretty good work over the years ...

Respectfully,

Thomas

FvwmLayout (Was: Re: FVWM: "Stepping down" from next year.)

[Thomas Adam]

On Tue, Nov 08, 2011 at 08:27:04AM +1100, Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 07:43:18PM +, Thomas Adam wrote:
> > I do not have the time anymore to devote to this project.  As such, I will
> > still be providing ad-hoc bug-fixes, and general advice, but that's about
> > all.  I will not be working on any major features.
> 
> Thank you Thomas, for all your hard and thorough work.

My recent Move modifications to honour EwmhBaseStruts will make your
FvwmLayout module easier to work with -- remind me soon, I have patches for
it.

It would be nice if this was completely rewritten in C and submitted as a
replacement for FvwmRearrange, you know.  The only thing you're missing is
per-screen EwmhBaseStrut settings, which I've patches for kicking about on
Github somewhere.  I'll see if I can't make those more agreeable at some
point.

-- Thomas Adam