ARGH! Please help me.... sob sob

2002-10-09 Thread PirateDyl

Hey there,

I think its fair to say that I went into this process of installing mac 
os X, which I've had nothing but problems with in the past, in a positive 
mind set. But after installing it on my laptop, I have officially lost faith 
in Apple's ability to make a functional operating system (its just gone down 
hill from os 8...) This is my last hope- that you guys can help me- and I'm 
willing to bet that you can ( =
This is what I am working on:
A 333 bronze powerbook,
4.5gig hd
320mb ram
24x CD
no additional cards, no airport

I installed mac os 9.2.1 and X.04 first. Well, sort of. it took freezing 
twice before I got it on my hard drive. Then, I upgraded to 10.1. This time, 
I got the most non-mac-like error of my life: at the end of the install, a 
few lines of dos style text dropped over the pristine interface, reading 
roughly that something 'failed, operations halted, panic, awaiting remote 
debugger.' I dont think that this is a kernel panic, as I thought it was a 
bit more graphic than some text. Nonetheless, it froze. I restarted and began 
to install again. This time it worked just fine, and I was greeted with a new 
mac os X desktop. I really like the look and feel of X, and people keep 
telling me that jag is the way to go, and it really speeds things up.

So then came the next part- jag.
I inserted CD 1, checked for firmware updates, of which there were none, and 
proceeded to install. Wow, what a cool start up! I love the apple and 
spinning line design! truly simple and elegant. Well, mid install, it froze 
and I got to see the start up again as i went to install a second time. woo 
hoo! This time it worked like a charm, getting through both CDs and to the 
desktop. Very cool, I have to admit that it IS much more responsive. I 
clicked on sherlock to see what apple did that was new in 3, and it said it 
needed an internet connection. I was a bit confused, so I hit apple-f and was 
rewarded by a system 7.6-esque find function- I was very happy to see that, 
as I wasn't really crazy about sherlock to begin with. I went back to 
sherlock- and the computer froze. I restarted, then went into system control 
panels to change my clock style- and it froze. I restarted, and this time it 
lasted more than 30 seconds, nearly 4 minutes. That ended once I clicked on 
the apple menu. Froze again. 

I dont get it. What am I missing? is there some sort of 'dont freeze 
randomly' option I have to find in the control panel? I think there should 
be. Also important to note, I formatted the hd before starting this whole X 
fiasco, even taking the time to zero all data. Aside from my complaint that 
it should NOT take an assembly language programer's level of computer 
expertise to get an operating system on a clean computer, it obviously does 
and I sadly lack that expertise. I can write hello world.

I need to use this computer for classes soon and would *like* to use 10.2 
because it actually can sleep and wake up, unlike 9.2. I would appreciate any 
help- I'm just really stressed out over this.

Thanks guys, I owe you a million!
-Dylan

ps- meanwhile i will d/l 10.2.1 update and see if that helps.

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OT: OS X common desktop?

2002-10-09 Thread Roger Shufflebottom

A bit OT this but . . . I'd like to set up some common aliases that 
would automatically appear on the desktop of whichever user logged in 
to my OS 10.2 system. I innocently thought that as an Administrator I 
could drop them into the Desktop folder at the top level of the 
system drive window but that doesn't work! Any ideas please, rather 
than laboriously adding them to the home desktops of any new users? 
And what is the desktop folder at the top level of the drive actually 
for?

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Re: ARGH! Please help me.... sob sob

2002-10-09 Thread Kevin Stevens


On Wednesday, Oct 9, 2002, at 01:11 US/Pacific, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 mind set. But after installing it on my laptop, I have officially lost 
 faith
 in Apple's ability to make a functional operating system (its just 
 gone down
 hill from os 8...) This is my last hope- that you guys can help me- 
 and I'm
 willing to bet that you can ( =
 This is what I am working on:
 A 333 bronze powerbook,
 4.5gig hd
 320mb ram
 24x CD
 no additional cards, no airport

 So then came the next part- jag.
 I inserted CD 1, checked for firmware updates, of which there were 
 none, and
 proceeded to install. Wow, what a cool start up! I love the apple and
 spinning line design! truly simple and elegant. Well, mid install, it 
 froze
 and I got to see the start up again as i went to install a second 
 time. woo
 hoo! This time it worked like a charm, getting through both CDs and to 
 the
 desktop. Very cool, I have to admit that it IS much more responsive. I
 clicked on sherlock to see what apple did that was new in 3, and it 
 said it
 needed an internet connection. I was a bit confused, so I hit apple-f 
 and was
 rewarded by a system 7.6-esque find function- I was very happy to see 
 that,
 as I wasn't really crazy about sherlock to begin with. I went back to
 sherlock- and the computer froze. I restarted, then went into system 
 control
 panels to change my clock style- and it froze. I restarted, and this 
 time it
 lasted more than 30 seconds, nearly 4 minutes. That ended once I 
 clicked on
 the apple menu. Froze again.

I would suggest doing the Jaguar installation directly rather than 
upgrading from a previous version, but I don't believe that's your 
problem.

 I dont get it. What am I missing? is there some sort of 'dont freeze
 randomly' option I have to find in the control panel? I think there 
 should
 be. Also important to note, I formatted the hd before starting this 
 whole X
 fiasco, even taking the time to zero all data. Aside from my complaint 
 that
 it should NOT take an assembly language programer's level of computer
 expertise to get an operating system on a clean computer, it obviously 
 does
 and I sadly lack that expertise. I can write hello world.

I think you have hardware problems, and am guessing ram.  Those lines 
of text you described were indeed the result of a kernel panic, which 
is almost always hardware or a very low-level driver of some kind.  
That's not normal, the freezes aren't normal, having to repeat the 
installation isn't normal.  Pulling/swapping ram would be my next step. 
  I know, I know, it works under 9.  Ram problems can be mysterious, 
Novell Netware used to be the worst.  You could take a box that had 
been running Windows or Unix for months, install Netware, and it would 
bomb every hour until you replaced the ram with some that it liked.  
What people say about one OS stressing the ram harder than another is 
a horrendous oversimplification, but certainly memory problems can 
surface under one OS but not another.  You've never had *any* problems 
with this machine before?

KeS


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Re: can't do modems in OS X

2002-10-09 Thread Luis Sequeira

Seems that it's a Jaguar issuecheck this out:

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/16506

It's a script fixing the problem

Hope it helps

Vlad

On Tuesday, October 8, 2002, at 03:57 , Luis Sequeira wrote:

Thanks a million!
I tried it on an iMac, which was suffering from the same problem, and 
it worked. I will try it later today on my wallstreet.

Luis

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Re: ARGH! Please help me.... sob sob

2002-10-09 Thread Jim Eddy

Some of the early Bronze Lombard machines had a faulty processor or  
processor card that causes freezing under OSX with certain RAM  
configurations. This has been often discussed here and elsewhere. Try a  
search on MacFixit or MacInTouch message boards. I have heard that  
Apple will still replace these processor cards even though the machine  
is past warranty if you plead, rant, rave,  etc. enough. So check out  
the boards, or others on this list may have more on this. Then contact  
1-800-SOS-Appl or a local repair facility.

On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 04:11  AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I went back to sherlock- and the computer froze. I restarted, then  
 went into system control
 panels to change my clock style- and it froze. I restarted, and this  
 time it
 lasted more than 30 seconds, nearly 4 minutes. That ended once I  
 clicked on
 the apple menu. Froze again.

 I dont get it. What am I missing? is there some sort of 'dont freeze
 randomly' option I have to find in the control panel? I think there  
 should
 be.

 
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Re: can't do modems in OS X

2002-10-09 Thread Mark D. Chapman

On OS X, I always get the same result: modem error.
The only sign that the system was accessing the modems was a light
that flashed in the external modem. Otherwise I would think that no
connection was taking place.

There is a known bug in 10.2 that can cause this on some systems. See 
http://www.macintouch.com
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Re: ARGH! Please help me.... sob sob

2002-10-09 Thread Laurent Daudelin

On 09/10/02 04:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey there,
 
   I think its fair to say that I went into this process of installing mac
 os X, which I've had nothing but problems with in the past, in a positive
 mind set. But after installing it on my laptop, I have officially lost faith
 in Apple's ability to make a functional operating system (its just gone down
 hill from os 8...) This is my last hope- that you guys can help me- and I'm
 willing to bet that you can ( =
 This is what I am working on:
 A 333 bronze powerbook,
 4.5gig hd
 320mb ram
 24x CD
 no additional cards, no airport
 
 I installed mac os 9.2.1 and X.04 first. Well, sort of. it took freezing
 twice before I got it on my hard drive. Then, I upgraded to 10.1. This time,
 I got the most non-mac-like error of my life: at the end of the install, a
 few lines of dos style text dropped over the pristine interface, reading
 roughly that something 'failed, operations halted, panic, awaiting remote
 debugger.' I dont think that this is a kernel panic, as I thought it was a
 bit more graphic than some text. Nonetheless, it froze. I restarted and began
 to install again. This time it worked just fine, and I was greeted with a new
 mac os X desktop. I really like the look and feel of X, and people keep
 telling me that jag is the way to go, and it really speeds things up.
 
 So then came the next part- jag.
 I inserted CD 1, checked for firmware updates, of which there were none, and
 proceeded to install. Wow, what a cool start up! I love the apple and
 spinning line design! truly simple and elegant. Well, mid install, it froze
 and I got to see the start up again as i went to install a second time. woo
 hoo! This time it worked like a charm, getting through both CDs and to the
 desktop. Very cool, I have to admit that it IS much more responsive. I
 clicked on sherlock to see what apple did that was new in 3, and it said it
 needed an internet connection. I was a bit confused, so I hit apple-f and was
 rewarded by a system 7.6-esque find function- I was very happy to see that,
 as I wasn't really crazy about sherlock to begin with. I went back to
 sherlock- and the computer froze. I restarted, then went into system control
 panels to change my clock style- and it froze. I restarted, and this time it
 lasted more than 30 seconds, nearly 4 minutes. That ended once I clicked on
 the apple menu. Froze again.
 
 I dont get it. What am I missing? is there some sort of 'dont freeze
 randomly' option I have to find in the control panel? I think there should
 be. Also important to note, I formatted the hd before starting this whole X
 fiasco, even taking the time to zero all data. Aside from my complaint that
 it should NOT take an assembly language programer's level of computer
 expertise to get an operating system on a clean computer, it obviously does
 and I sadly lack that expertise. I can write hello world.
 
 I need to use this computer for classes soon and would *like* to use 10.2
 because it actually can sleep and wake up, unlike 9.2. I would appreciate any
 help- I'm just really stressed out over this.
 
 Thanks guys, I owe you a million!
 -Dylan
 
 ps- meanwhile i will d/l 10.2.1 update and see if that helps.

Dylan,

You don't have to go through the pain of installing 10.0 in order to install
10.2. If you haven't done much yet, I would recommend you do a clean install
of 10.2 directly, then upgrade to 10.2.1.

Now, with your problems, I concur with the other posters that you're most
likely have some kind of hardware problems, probably faulty memory or
processor.

-Laurent.
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Re: OT: OS X common desktop?

2002-10-09 Thread Laurent Daudelin

On 09/10/02 04:20, Roger Shufflebottom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A bit OT this but . . . I'd like to set up some common aliases that
 would automatically appear on the desktop of whichever user logged in
 to my OS 10.2 system. I innocently thought that as an Administrator I
 could drop them into the Desktop folder at the top level of the
 system drive window but that doesn't work! Any ideas please, rather
 than laboriously adding them to the home desktops of any new users?
 And what is the desktop folder at the top level of the drive actually
 for?

I don't think you can do it the easy way. You'll have to dig in for every
desktop folder for every user. I'm not sure what the top-level desktop
folder is for. It might be something left from OS 9 because I don't think
that desktop folders are there anymore, except for the one that each user
has.

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Re: Wireless card for wallstreet

2002-10-09 Thread Laurent Daudelin

On 09/10/02 01:33, R. Hannes Niedner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Has anybody any recommendation which wireless card to by that is suppprted
 in Mac OS X 10.1.5 and higher (including Jagwire). Airport unfortunately is
 no option for the Wallstreet. I thought there where wireless pc-cards out
 there that would work with Apple drivers??

You can get a Lucent WaveLan and download the 3rd party wireless driver that
was made available a little while ago. That will make your card works with
AirPort. If you look on VersionTracker, you should be able to find the
developer's web site and get the list of the supported cards.

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Re: can't do modems in OS X

2002-10-09 Thread P . F . Grenier


On Wednesday, Oct 9, 2002, at 09:34 US/Eastern, Mark D. Chapman wrote:

 On OS X, I always get the same result: modem error.
 The only sign that the system was accessing the modems was a light
 that flashed in the external modem. Otherwise I would think that no
 connection was taking place.

 There is a known bug in 10.2 that can cause this on some systems. See
 http://www.macintouch.com
 -- 
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 Toronto


Plus this:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120157


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Re: Wireless card for wallstreet

2002-10-09 Thread R. Hannes Niedner

Thanks to all who responded. I think I'll by an Orinocco Gold Card supported
by the open source driver and capable of 128Bit encryption. Please let me
know if I missed something and that would not be a good choice.

Cheers/h


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Re: Wireless card for wallstreet

2002-10-09 Thread John Slavin

One thing, I've noticed MacResQ  has been running a special on the cisco 
cards with version 1 of the base station.  Here's the link:

http://www.macresq.com/store/default.ht
m?-token.specials=Airport%20Wireless-token.1=20021009-095253-4520


On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 10:26  AM, R. Hannes Niedner wrote:

 Thanks to all who responded. I think I'll by an Orinocco Gold Card 
 supported
 by the open source driver and capable of 128Bit encryption. Please let 
 me
 know if I missed something and that would not be a good choice.

 Cheers/h


John Slavin
Kirksville, MO
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Pismo battery

2002-10-09 Thread Jim Freeman

I know this has been discussed a lot, but I still don't get it. My 
Pismo battery has been getting lousy time for a long time, at least 
since OS X 10.0. Someone on the list suggested I might be able to get 
it replaced under AppleCare. I've been meaning to try this but haven't 
gotten around to it. Last night I started working on my Pismo unplugged 
and characteristically I got the warning message after about 20 min. I 
decided to let it go and see how long before it would sleep itself. 
After another five minutes the gauge read 0%, but it didn't shut off. I 
ended up putting my Pismo down and going to bed after a total of about 
45 min. In the morning it was indeed asleep, but I don't know how long 
it lasted.

I haven't had a chance to test if letting it run out has improved my 
battery life, but I thought Pismo batteries didn't work this way. That 
little battery reset program doesn't work on Pismos, right?

If I'm getting a total of about an hour just running Omniweb and Mail 
with an airport card, is this normal or is my battery bad enough to ask 
Apple to replace it?

Thanks for any insights!

Jim

Powerbook G3 Firewire (Pismo) 400
OS X 10.2.1
768 MB Ram
40 Gig HD


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Pismo battery

2002-10-09 Thread Jim Freeman

I know this has been discussed a lot, but I still don't get it. My 
Pismo battery has been getting lousy time for a long time, at least 
since OS X 10.0. Someone on the list suggested I might be able to get 
it replaced under AppleCare. I've been meaning to try this but haven't 
gotten around to it. Last night I started working on my Pismo unplugged 
and characteristically I got the warning message after about 20 min. I 
decided to let it go and see how long before it would sleep itself. 
After another five minutes the gauge read 0%, but it didn't shut off. I 
ended up putting my Pismo down and going to bed after a total of about 
45 min. In the morning it was indeed asleep, but I don't know how long 
it lasted.

I haven't had a chance to test if letting it run out has improved my 
battery life, but I thought Pismo batteries didn't work this way. That 
little battery reset program doesn't work on Pismos, right?

If I'm getting a total of about an hour just running Omniweb and Mail 
with an airport card, is this normal or is my battery bad enough to ask 
Apple to replace it?

Thanks for any insights!

Jim

Powerbook G3 Firewire (Pismo) 400
OS X 10.2.1
768 MB Ram
40 Gig HD


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Re: Pismo battery

2002-10-09 Thread Donald Keenan

Jim:
I just had my battery replaced for my Pismo under AppleCare. Although my 
first problem was a dwindling battery life, it soon became secondary to 
an overheating problem caused by the battery. My Pismo never cooled 
down, even after being shutdown overnight.
AppleCare told me to send it in immediately. I had called them weeks 
before about my suspicions of dwindling recharge time and I was also 
encouraged to call back once i established that the running time was 
consistently under one hour. Surely yours
does fit this profile. Don't put it off. Give them a call and they'll 
hopefully send you a new one. Let us know how the customer service goes.
Donald
On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 10:26 AM, Jim Freeman wrote:

 I know this has been discussed a lot, but I still don't get it. My
 Pismo battery has been getting lousy time for a long time, at least
 since OS X 10.0. Someone on the list suggested I might be able to get
 it replaced under AppleCare. I've been meaning to try this but haven't
 gotten around to it. Last night I started working on my Pismo unplugged
 and characteristically I got the warning message after about 20 min. I
 decided to let it go and see how long before it would sleep itself.
 After another five minutes the gauge read 0%, but it didn't shut off. I
 ended up putting my Pismo down and going to bed after a total of about
 45 min. In the morning it was indeed asleep, but I don't know how long
 it lasted.

 I haven't had a chance to test if letting it run out has improved my
 battery life, but I thought Pismo batteries didn't work this way. That
 little battery reset program doesn't work on Pismos, right?

 If I'm getting a total of about an hour just running Omniweb and Mail
 with an airport card, is this normal or is my battery bad enough to ask
 Apple to replace it?

 Thanks for any insights!

 Jim



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Re: OT: OS X common desktop?

2002-10-09 Thread Jeremy C. Derr

On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 09:13  AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:

 On 09/10/02 04:20, Roger Shufflebottom [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:

 A bit OT this but . . . I'd like to set up some common aliases that
 would automatically appear on the desktop of whichever user logged in
 to my OS 10.2 system. I innocently thought that as an Administrator I
 could drop them into the Desktop folder at the top level of the
 system drive window but that doesn't work! Any ideas please, rather
 than laboriously adding them to the home desktops of any new users?
 And what is the desktop folder at the top level of the drive actually
 for?

 I don't think you can do it the easy way. You'll have to dig in for 
 every
 desktop folder for every user. I'm not sure what the top-level desktop
 folder is for. It might be something left from OS 9 because I don't 
 think
 that desktop folders are there anymore, except for the one that each 
 user
 has.

/Desktop Folder/ is, indeed, just OS 9's desktop folder.

The most elegant way to do this is using OS X Server, but that's 
probably not applicable for a single-machine setup.

You could perhaps toy around with prefs in /Library/ to give everyone a 
common Dock, but I'm not sure how permanent this would be... in 
general, preferences in /Library/ take precedent over preferences in 
~/Library/ but, in the case of the Dock, I'm not sure if this is true.


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Re: Pismo battery

2002-10-09 Thread Jeremy C. Derr

On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 09:26  AM, Jim Freeman wrote:

 I know this has been discussed a lot, but I still don't get it. My
 Pismo battery has been getting lousy time for a long time, at least
 since OS X 10.0. Someone on the list suggested I might be able to get
 it replaced under AppleCare. I've been meaning to try this but haven't
 gotten around to it. Last night I started working on my Pismo unplugged
 and characteristically I got the warning message after about 20 min. I
 decided to let it go and see how long before it would sleep itself.
 After another five minutes the gauge read 0%, but it didn't shut off. I
 ended up putting my Pismo down and going to bed after a total of about
 45 min. In the morning it was indeed asleep, but I don't know how long
 it lasted.

 I haven't had a chance to test if letting it run out has improved my
 battery life, but I thought Pismo batteries didn't work this way. That
 little battery reset program doesn't work on Pismos, right?

 If I'm getting a total of about an hour just running Omniweb and Mail
 with an airport card, is this normal or is my battery bad enough to ask
 Apple to replace it?

 Thanks for any insights!

If you're machine is covered by AppleCare, call them and tell them how 
much time you are getting on battery. If you're only getting an hour, 
it's worth at least asking...


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Rotate LCD screen?

2002-10-09 Thread Jonathan R. Andrew

Does anyone know of a software way to get a powerbook's screen to 
show upside down?  I want to put a cheapo DVD player/GPS mapper in my 
vehicle (the 7 screen crap-ola they sell [at a circuit city, for 
example] would run over $2.5k).

I want to place the PB in a slip-in bracket on the ceiling of the van 
so that the screen flips open downward.  Kids in back get to watch 
Little Mermaid when Daddy isn't using the GPS software.

Any hints, ideas, suggestions?

Thanks,

JRA

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