Re: iBook Problems

[John]

On Apr 16, 2004, at 9:00 PM, Jim Eddy wrote:

On Apr 16, 2004, at 3:30 PM, Al Poulin wrote:

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I would never touch any iBook again unless I had a warranty with it. 
 The
problem is in the hinge design, not the MoBo, contrary to what Apple 
wants
you think or what many have written about.  The hinge is very badly
designed, as is the wire bundle that is snaked through it to run 
data and
power to the screen.  The hinge scissors the bundle repeatedly until 
it
literally starts to cut the wires.  During this time you get the 
flickering
screen problem that Apple tech only ever advised the useless "reset 
the PMU"
fix.  Once the power wire is cut completely through, ffft, a cascade 
short
that fries the MoBo.

Which iBooks are we talking about here, in terms of MHz and 
year/month of
production?  Thanks,

The books under the recall program are from May 2002 to April 2003. I 
don't know which models it covers. I wish I did.
So I guess the question is how often do the hinges fail on the ibooks? 
Anyone have any kind of data on this? Or the motherboards? Or is it a 
matter of hearing about the ones with problems and not from those who 
don't have them?
--
Sorry, I don't buy the "hinge" explanation. If that was the case, why 
is that people can hook an external monitor up when they first start 
having problems, and have the same symptoms appear there? Since I 
happen to have one of the listed (700 mhz Icebook) machines, I have 
done extensive research on this on the Apple discussion boards, and the 
real issue seems to be with the video chip. This chip is located 
underneath the lower left "hand rest" area, right where it gets all the 
heat from the hard drive. If you've ever noticed, that area can get 
extremely hot! And as we all know, electronic components don't like 
heat. This excess heat is also the explanation for another common 
problem with iBooks: hard drive failures. I believe the cooling system 
in these could have been designed better. Most of the folks that have 
had video failures, have also noticed that they never hear the cooling 
fan coming on. And yes, considering how many iBooks that Apple has 
sold, it's safe to say that the majority have not had problems. I 
bought mine second-hand (out of warranty), and other than the drive 
dying a week after I got it, I have no complaints. Like they say, it's 
the squeaky wheel that gets the attention. However, if I had to do it 
again, I would have bought one with a warranty, just for the peace of 
mind. But I would STILL get an iBook!

JR

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Re: Panther on Lombard

[Jeff Hubatka]

On Apr 16, 2004, at 6:58 PM, G-Books wrote:

On lombard, requires partitioned drive with x on first part less than 
8 gigs
large

Not on the Lombard, only on the Wallstreet and Beige G3.

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iceBooks ate my Soul

[illovox]

on 4/16/04 6:58 PM, G-Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> I would never touch any iBook again unless I had a warranty with it.  The
>> problem is in the hinge design, not the MoBo, contrary to what Apple wants
>> you think or what many have written about.  The hinge is very badly
>> designed, as is the wire bundle that is snaked through it to run data and
>> power to the screen.  The hinge scissors the bundle repeatedly until it
>> literally starts to cut the wires.  During this time you get the flickering
>> screen problem that Apple tech only ever advised the useless "reset the PMU"
>> fix.  Once the power wire is cut completely through, ffft, a cascade short
>> that fries the MoBo.  Apple's current recall program is an insult, given
>> that a slew of icebooks before and after the range of serial numbers
>> recalled by Apple are still affected.  It's a scam recall, designed to
>> placate and diffuse.
> 
> Which iBooks are we talking about here, in terms of MHz and year/month of
> production?

All 12" iceBooks.  Apple says it's affectong only a limited range of serial
numbers.  They are wrong.


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Re: Interchanging parts on Ti PowerBook models

[Dan K]

Mark Kippert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asks:
>Anybody know if you can swap parts between the 400MHz & 550MHz Ti?
>
>Primarily I need to trade out a damaged lower case on mine. A corner is
>broken as well as the battery latch.
They're different parts for sure. I remember comparing the case bottoms 
of a 400 and a 550 and they're very similar but definitely different. 
Might be able to cobble it together but they won't work without some 
fettling (drilling, cutting, bending, etc.) If you mean the entire lower 
case, forget it, they are waaay too different for a swap.

In general very few parts are shared between TiBook generations. However, 
this is as good a spot as any to mention I just stuck a complete 550 
display (1152x768) on a 667 DVI and it works fine, even though the 
original screens are different (DVI has 1280x1024 ?) Oh, err, the sleep 
magnet's in the wrong place though . . . :-)

hth,

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Re: iBook Problems

[Jim Eddy]

On Apr 16, 2004, at 3:30 PM, Al Poulin wrote:

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I would never touch any iBook again unless I had a warranty with it.   
The
problem is in the hinge design, not the MoBo, contrary to what Apple  
wants
you think or what many have written about.  The hinge is very badly
designed, as is the wire bundle that is snaked through it to run data  
and
power to the screen.  The hinge scissors the bundle repeatedly until  
it
literally starts to cut the wires.  During this time you get the  
flickering
screen problem that Apple tech only ever advised the useless "reset  
the PMU"
fix.  Once the power wire is cut completely through, ffft, a cascade  
short
that fries the MoBo.

Which iBooks are we talking about here, in terms of MHz and year/month  
of
production?  Thanks,

The books under the recall program are from May 2002 to April 2003. I  
don't know which models it covers. I wish I did.
So I guess the question is how often do the hinges fail on the ibooks?  
Anyone have any kind of data on this? Or the motherboards? Or is it a  
matter of hearing about the ones with problems and not from those who  
don't have them?
--
  
 

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Re: iBook G4 into a G3.

[Thomas Ethen]

Cute! You could fold it also.

Tom

>> Is it feasible to put the logic board of an iBook G4 14" into an ice
>> iBook 12" dual USB.
> 
> After working into a few PowerBook models and seeing how tight the space is
> in a laptop, I would imagine you would have to bend the board a little bit,
> or maybe cut a couple of pieces here and there to make it fit. Of course, it
> would probably not work anymore, but I'm sure it could fit!
> 
> -Laurent.


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Re: iBook Problems

[Al Poulin]

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would never touch any iBook again unless I had a warranty with it.  The
> problem is in the hinge design, not the MoBo, contrary to what Apple wants
> you think or what many have written about.  The hinge is very badly
> designed, as is the wire bundle that is snaked through it to run data and
> power to the screen.  The hinge scissors the bundle repeatedly until it
> literally starts to cut the wires.  During this time you get the flickering
> screen problem that Apple tech only ever advised the useless "reset the PMU"
> fix.  Once the power wire is cut completely through, ffft, a cascade short
> that fries the MoBo.  Apple's current recall program is an insult, given
> that a slew of icebooks before and after the range of serial numbers
> recalled by Apple are still affected.  It's a scam recall, designed to
> placate and diffuse.

Which iBooks are we talking about here, in terms of MHz and year/month of
production?  Thanks,

-- 
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Re: Lombard & OSX

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 16/04/04 13:59, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How do I get to the lower slot?  The top one is easy to find.   The bottom
> one has the 64 meg chip in, so I thought I would switch them and take out the
> 64 
> meg.   I took out the top larger chip and only the original 8.6 disk will
> boot up  - the panther disks won't.  Any help is appreciated.  Also, the
> lombard 
> has a 4 gig drive - I will be updating in the future but for right now there
> isn't many programs on it.

Make sure you don't have any peripheral attached. Also, did you check if you
can boot another Mac with your Panther disk? Maybe the disk is damaged?

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Re: Lombard & OSX

[Al Poulin]

Linda at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I have a 333 lombard - I wiped the drive - its empty and now trying to=20
> install Panther.=A0 Every time it gets to the installation screen it freezes=
> .=A0 I have=20
> 192 meg memory and it says it needs only 128.=A0 Any suggestions,

I have a Lombard with 4GB hard drive.  I think that is too small.

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Re: iBook G4 into a G3.

[Mike Kauspedas]

You could always mod the book and extend and shorten in areas you need,  
or make a whole new case out of wood! Or a Nintendo, briefcase,  
bananas! :)

On Friday, April 16, 2004, at 12:46 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:

On 16/04/04 14:39, "Beniamino Cenci Goga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Is it feasible to put the logic board of an iBook G4 14" into an ice
iBook 12" dual USB.
After working into a few PowerBook models and seeing how tight the  
space is
in a laptop, I would imagine you would have to bend the board a little  
bit,
or maybe cut a couple of pieces here and there to make it fit. Of  
course, it
would probably not work anymore, but I'm sure it could fit!

-Laurent.
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Re: iBook G4 into a G3.

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 16/04/04 14:39, "Beniamino Cenci Goga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is it feasible to put the logic board of an iBook G4 14" into an ice
> iBook 12" dual USB.

After working into a few PowerBook models and seeing how tight the space is
in a laptop, I would imagine you would have to bend the board a little bit,
or maybe cut a couple of pieces here and there to make it fit. Of course, it
would probably not work anymore, but I'm sure it could fit!

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iBook G4 into a G3.

[Beniamino Cenci Goga]

Is it feasible to put the logic board of an iBook G4 14" into an ice 
iBook 12" dual USB.

Ben

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Re: Lombard & OSX

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On 16/04/04 13:59, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How do I get to the lower slot?  The top one is easy to find.   The bottom
> one has the 64 meg chip in, so I thought I would switch them and take out the
> 64 
> meg.   I took out the top larger chip and only the original 8.6 disk will
> boot up  - the panther disks won't.  Any help is appreciated.  Also, the
> lombard 
> has a 4 gig drive - I will be updating in the future but for right now there
> isn't many programs on it.

You have to carefully pry out the processor daughterboard. You have to be
very careful not to bend any of the numerous pins that connect the
daughterboard to the motherboard. However, it is easily done when you are
careful and know how it connects. I've done it multiple time without any
problem. The lower memory slot is underneath that daughterboard. I think the
trickiest part is making sure that the daughterboard is firmly put back in
place. You have to apply a firm push to the daughterboard which some people
are afraid to apply. If the daughterboard is aligned properly, there
shouldn't be any problem pushing it firmly into place. You just don't want
to put too much pressure to break the daughterboard, though!

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Re: Lombard & OSX

[Polkadoter]

How do I get to the lower slot?  The top one is easy to find.   The bottom 
one has the 64 meg chip in, so I thought I would switch them and take out the 64 
meg.   I took out the top larger chip and only the original 8.6 disk will 
boot up  - the panther disks won't.  Any help is appreciated.  Also, the lombard 
has a 4 gig drive - I will be updating in the future but for right now there 
isn't many programs on it.
Thanks, Linda


In a message dated 4/16/04 2:07:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I got the same model Lombard running 10.3.3 quite nicely. I've been OSX

only since Jaguar. In my experience, 192MB isn't enough for OSX to run

smoothly. I had 192 MB myself before OSX. (a 128MB+64MB). Upgraded and put

in a 256MB chip in the bottom slot and the 128 in the top slot. At 384mb

the machine runs fine. My system profiler can't ID the ram chip type but

its been running since 10.2 first came out.


However since 128MB is the "official minimum" I'd say the next possibility

could be a problem with the ram chips. You could try with just 128MB to

see if the thing at least boots ok (assuming you have a 64mb+128mb

config).


If the machine worked ok with os9 then there might be an odd ram hardware

compatibility issue.


The other thing of course is to make sure the chips haven't popped out of

the slots (known to happen and is worth a look).


Wish I could recommend a good ram testing/diagnostic software other than

techtool that comes with Applecare CDROM. >>


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Re: Wallstreet battery reconditioning?

[Mike Kauspedas]

There is a battery reset program you can get from Apple. Or from this 
website: http://www.d20.co.edu/downloads/ilister.php?type=mac I'm not 
sure exactly where it is on that site, but there are a lot of other 
utils too. Hope that helps, not the best app, but it might help.

Mike

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Hi again(!),

Short of getting a VST charger, is there any way to recondition a 
Wallstreet
battery? Like some software fix?

Craig W.

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Wallstreet battery reconditioning?

[COCCORP]

Hi again(!),

Short of getting a VST charger, is there any way to recondition a Wallstreet 
battery? Like some software fix?

Craig W.

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Interchanging parts on Ti PowerBook models

[Mark Kippert]

Anybody know if you can swap parts between the 400MHz & 550MHz Ti?

Primarily I need to trade out a damaged lower case on mine. A corner is
broken as well as the battery latch.

-Mark


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Cleanning house.

[Hector I Macedo]

Hi there guys, I'm cleaning my cabinet and I found spare parts for old 
performa putter: a 500 meg HD, a floppy drive, a cd drive, old memory 
modules, an internal modem and miscellaneous parts.

Also want to get rid of a scssi EazyQuest drive complete and 
functioning, with 4 usable tapes and also another SCSI external 2g  HD.

All ready to go to a good home for the asking. You just will pay for 
mailing it.

I will wait till Sunday, otherwise will go to the dump.

Hector I. Macedo  "Lord of the 
Flies"	
Dallas, TX 75248

"Piscaro Itaque dicet mendacium"

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Re: Wallstreet proessor upgrades

[Wayne]

I used a Powerlogix 466 upgrade card for a few years, and it worked great. I
followed the instructions, flashed the Rom, shutdown the computer, removed
original processor, put in Powerlogix, start up and the Rom was flashed,
that was it.

Went from 233 to the 466 speeds with a 1 MB backside cache and saw an
immediate jump in speeds.

The only problem I incurred was the maximum ram that could be run was 256
MB, still do not know what the reason was for this as some people reported
using 512 Mb or more.

It was speculated that the Apple Rom may have had something to do with this
(different versions of Rom in different computers), although this was never
confirmed.

I used OSX and full suite of graphics programs with the card and never had
any problems.

I also like to state that Powerlogix was an excellent company to work with,
helpful and knowledgeable.


Best Regards,

Wayne Schneck
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FME 
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Wallstreet proessor upgrades

[COCCORP]

Hi,

What are do's & don'ts, the "must-have"'s and "do not touch"'s regarding 
Powerlogix, Sonnet and else (Newer?) processor upgrades for the Wallstreet I and 
WS II?

I just recently obtained a Powerlogix and a Sonnet upgrade card, but I have 
heard tales of ROM upgrades, heat problems, etc. I have also researched the 
'net, and gathered info from comparisons & the like...

But now I am asking for real testimonies from actual users... thanks!

Craig W.
Atlanta, GA
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Re: Panther on Lombard

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 16/04/04 08:39, "michael Vogt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No I don't think so I just wiped my drive and did the panther install
> fine . then latter I put os 9.1  to so I could boot into it to use
> Apple DVD player
> Michael & Sharon  Vogt <><
> 
> On Apr 16, 2004, at 6:34 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> on 4/16/04 12:05 AM, G-Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a 333 lombard - I wiped the drive - its empty and now trying
>>> to=20
>>> install Panther.=A0 Every time it gets to the installation screen it
>>> freezes=
>>> .=A0 I have=20
>>> 192 meg memory and it says it needs only 128.=A0 Any suggestions,
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Linda
>> 
>> 
>> On lombard, requires partitioned drive with x on first part less than
>> 8 gigs
>> large

I think the 8GB limitation was for the Wallstreet.

-Laurent.
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Re: Panther on Lombard

[michael Vogt]

No I don't think so I just wiped my drive and did the panther install 
fine . then latter I put os 9.1  to so I could boot into it to use 
Apple DVD player
Michael & Sharon  Vogt <><

On Apr 16, 2004, at 6:34 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

on 4/16/04 12:05 AM, G-Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have a 333 lombard - I wiped the drive - its empty and now trying 
to=20
install Panther.=A0 Every time it gets to the installation screen it 
freezes=
.=A0 I have=20
192 meg memory and it says it needs only 128.=A0 Any suggestions,
Thanks in advance,
Linda


On lombard, requires partitioned drive with x on first part less than 
8 gigs
large




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Panther on Lombard

[illovox]

on 4/16/04 12:05 AM, G-Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have a 333 lombard - I wiped the drive - its empty and now trying to=20
> install Panther.=A0 Every time it gets to the installation screen it freezes=
> .=A0 I have=20
> 192 meg memory and it says it needs only 128.=A0 Any suggestions,
> Thanks in advance,
> Linda


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large


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Wallstreet and iBook rotten to the core

[illovox]

on 4/16/04 12:05 AM,  George Mogiljansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Ouch, what Wallstreet fiasco?
> I just ordered a complete (I hope) screen off eBay. I
> bought a 300 MHz PDQ model with dim screen for cheap.
> George

>> Look great, rotten hinge design...worse
>> than the Wallstreet
>> fiasco.  Always have a warranty if you are going to
>> own one, 1st year,
>> extended, whatever.

Wallstreet hinges are weak and break all the time.  They got loose and
sloppy with little wear.  Best is to replace defectives with steel
aftermarket hinges.

Dim screen...bad.  Backlight going ffft.


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Re: Lombard & OSX

[mmnihals]

I got the same model Lombard running 10.3.3 quite nicely. I've been OSX
only since Jaguar. In my experience, 192MB isn't enough for OSX to run
smoothly. I had 192 MB myself before OSX. (a 128MB+64MB). Upgraded and put
in a 256MB chip in the bottom slot and the 128 in the top slot. At 384mb
the machine runs fine. My system profiler can't ID the ram chip type but
its been running since 10.2 first came out.

However since 128MB is the "official minimum" I'd say the next possibility
could be a problem with the ram chips. You could try with just 128MB to
see if the thing at least boots ok (assuming you have a 64mb+128mb
config).

If the machine worked ok with os9 then there might be an odd ram hardware
compatibility issue.

The other thing of course is to make sure the chips haven't popped out of
the slots (known to happen and is worth a look).

Wish I could recommend a good ram testing/diagnostic software other than
techtool that comes with Applecare CDROM.








> I have a 333 lombard - I wiped the drive - its empty and now trying to
> install Panther.  Every time it gets to the installation screen it
> freezes.  I have
> 192 meg memory and it says it needs only 128.  Any suggestions,
> Thanks in advance,
> Linda


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