Re: Apple Mail
Next version no way. This Guy has over 30 Billion and growing. The paltry act of Office for the Mac is not going to give Bill a second of worry about money. However losing out on style, functionality and development of programs, that takes away from the glow of his empire, will give him a second thought, eliminate it. Remeber the Steve and Bill show has not been one of love and respect. You do not understand men of power, they have money and all that comes with it, all that you could possibly dream of times a billion and still have 30 left. What feeds them is to destroy and conquer. Their ruthless and anything that would take away from their industrial image as being the elite, they will destroy. That's what get them off. Thats the drive of men who have power. So Apple, the computer and software I prefer, should be planning for this day. There will be another type of Office for Mac, only it will not be from MS, the monopoly inquiry is over, MS won. I support companies that do things right. I will pay more and work a bit harder on less robust software to give my money to the companies that support the Mac. I would not call MS a Mac supporter. Losing I.E. was but the first shot. Adobe is getting restless. So to everyone that loves Office great, you have your choice in life. Maybe it does make your job easier and you do not have to work as hard, a seemingly American trait. I prefer the people who work harder to make the Mac survive, software and retail. Those folks bust their ass off on slim margins to make it work. They take chances in life, it makes you feel alive to do that. I can usually get hardware and software from the big retailers cheaper, especially shipping. However I am but 2% of their business. So I go to the smaller operations that just support the Mac, software and retail. There I get real people that understand what their selling and how it works, instead of just reading off a screen. I guess I have a choice too, until Bill has his dream fulfilled . So enjoy Macs at home and keep the issue that Macs are not for business alive. I apologize as I really could not understand why people would think Macs are not serious computers and not for business. This is a huge wall to sales of Macs. If you have a thousand people on Macs but there running MS office, it still says to the workers, we have Apple computers but there is no software for the Mac. One of the workers wants a computer. I use Microsoft Office at work what kind of computer should I buy. Enjoy Geoff On Dec 25, 2004, at 7:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There will be another version of Office for the simple reason that the Mac BU makes money which is the only thing that gets Bill off. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Entourage (Was: Apple Mail)
On Dec 25, 2004, at 10:30 PM, Frank P. Eigler wrote: On Fri, 24 Dec 2004, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: Outlook Express was just a basic email program. Outlook itself is a Personal Information Manager (PIM) and contains email, contacts, calender, notes, plus a couple of more things. Entourage is the renamed Outlook for Macintosh. As I thought. Therefore, aren't some security issues (don't ask; I'm just parroting what I've heard/read) surrounding Outlook also to be found in Entourage? Or was that just M$ bashing? As I understand it, most of the virus/worm openings in Outlook/Outlook Express have to do with the way that it interacts with the OS as a whole. While Entourage may, essentially, be Outlook for Macintosh, I don't believe there is any validity to the statement that Entourage shares Outlook/Outlook Express holes. That said, Outlook Express for Mac used to have security problems, but I don't know if that was for OS9 or OSX (I believe it was OS9). Entourage is, I believe, a completely new product that has not been shown to have any security flaws that I am aware of. So I would say that it would be FALSE to say that Entourage shares Outlook/Outlook Express security issues, and that would sound like Microsoft bashing. TjL -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Entourage (Was: Apple Mail)
On 12/26/04 5:40 AM, Timothy Luoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: On Dec 25, 2004, at 10:30 PM, Frank P. Eigler wrote: On Fri, 24 Dec 2004, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: Outlook Express was just a basic email program. Outlook itself is a Personal Information Manager (PIM) and contains email, contacts, calender, notes, plus a couple of more things. Entourage is the renamed Outlook for Macintosh. As I thought. Therefore, aren't some security issues (don't ask; I'm just parroting what I've heard/read) surrounding Outlook also to be found in Entourage? Or was that just M$ bashing? As I understand it, most of the virus/worm openings in Outlook/Outlook Express have to do with the way that it interacts with the OS as a whole. While Entourage may, essentially, be Outlook for Macintosh, I don't believe there is any validity to the statement that Entourage shares Outlook/Outlook Express holes. There is not a single Entourage hole. It is far more secure than any other Macintosh Mail program including Apple's own. Kyle Hansen -- The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
Using Office on my Mac is not in any way a sell-out, and wanting to streamline my work does not make me lazy. Here is an example. I have three word processors on my Mac, Word 2004, Nisus Express (my favorite) and AppleWorks. All three can open and save to MS Word format, and for my own writing, Nisus is usually the choice. However, and this is a very big however, I still use Word the most. Word opens Word documents natively, without need of translation, and saves them natively as well. When using any other program, unless I'm dealing with a very simple document and no formatting, I always have need to make corrections. Complex formatting, tables, graphics, whatever, something always gets lost or garbled in the translator, and whatever you or anyone else says, I prefer to get my work done the first time, without having to repair lost formatting first, and without forcing anyone who wants to view my work on their computers (usually Windows PCs with Word 2000, XP or 2003) to repair formatting due to my choice of a non-standard word processor. Apple Mail does not have the above problem, but it still won't integrate my email, calendar and to-do lists, sync with my Palm and even integrate with Word, Excel and PowerPoint by grouping related documents and emails together as Entourage does. In short, I don't use Office 2004 because I like MS or want to give Bill my money, I use it because it is by far the best office suite available for the Mac, and it saves me time, time that I can spend with my family instead of time reformatting documents. It also makes a rather bad impression on others when they are forced to do extra work because my documents open as garbled gibberish, doing so it just plain rude. Andrew On 12/26/04 2:59 AM, Geoffrey Loeffler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next version no way. This Guy has over 30 Billion and growing. The paltry act of Office for the Mac is not going to give Bill a second of worry about money. However losing out on style, functionality and development of programs, that takes away from the glow of his empire, will give him a second thought, eliminate it. Remeber the Steve and Bill show has not been one of love and respect. You do not understand men of power, they have money and all that comes with it, all that you could possibly dream of times a billion and still have 30 left. What feeds them is to destroy and conquer. Their ruthless and anything that would take away from their industrial image as being the elite, they will destroy. That's what get them off. Thats the drive of men who have power. So Apple, the computer and software I prefer, should be planning for this day. There will be another type of Office for Mac, only it will not be from MS, the monopoly inquiry is over, MS won. I support companies that do things right. I will pay more and work a bit harder on less robust software to give my money to the companies that support the Mac. I would not call MS a Mac supporter. Losing I.E. was but the first shot. Adobe is getting restless. So to everyone that loves Office great, you have your choice in life. Maybe it does make your job easier and you do not have to work as hard, a seemingly American trait. I prefer the people who work harder to make the Mac survive, software and retail. Those folks bust their ass off on slim margins to make it work. They take chances in life, it makes you feel alive to do that. I can usually get hardware and software from the big retailers cheaper, especially shipping. However I am but 2% of their business. So I go to the smaller operations that just support the Mac, software and retail. There I get real people that understand what their selling and how it works, instead of just reading off a screen. I guess I have a choice too, until Bill has his dream fulfilled . So enjoy Macs at home and keep the issue that Macs are not for business alive. I apologize as I really could not understand why people would think Macs are not serious computers and not for business. This is a huge wall to sales of Macs. If you have a thousand people on Macs but there running MS office, it still says to the workers, we have Apple computers but there is no software for the Mac. One of the workers wants a computer. I use Microsoft Office at work what kind of computer should I buy. Enjoy Geoff On Dec 25, 2004, at 7:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There will be another version of Office for the simple reason that the Mac BU makes money which is the only thing that gets Bill off. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to:
Re: Apple Mail
Apple Mail does not have the above problem, but it still won't integrate my email, calendar and to-do lists, sync with my Palm and even integrate with Word, Excel and PowerPoint by grouping related documents and emails together as Entourage does. I have the original version of Office v. Mac. Do you all think Entourage in that version might be worth switching to from Mail App or is it only the 2004 edition that seems worth it? We have an Exchange Server for our mail at work (LOTS of spam) and I'm going to inherit a Pocket PC with a wireless card. I read mail remotely on my Mac via my browser, but I'm wondering if anyone thinks Apple will ever provide the integration some folk need. Or does the MS platform have a complete hold on this kind of integration for the immediate future? Donald -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
Entourage in Office v.X does not group emails with documents by project, but there is a free (I think on Microsoft's Mac website, perhaps hidden on the CD) conduit for Entourage to Palm. Where the older Entourage cannot compete with Mail is in spam filtering, which is much improved in Entourage 2004. Andrew On 12/26/04 9:08 AM, Donald Keenan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple Mail does not have the above problem, but it still won't integrate my email, calendar and to-do lists, sync with my Palm and even integrate with Word, Excel and PowerPoint by grouping related documents and emails together as Entourage does. I have the original version of Office v. Mac. Do you all think Entourage in that version might be worth switching to from Mail App or is it only the 2004 edition that seems worth it? We have an Exchange Server for our mail at work (LOTS of spam) and I'm going to inherit a Pocket PC with a wireless card. I read mail remotely on my Mac via my browser, but I'm wondering if anyone thinks Apple will ever provide the integration some folk need. Or does the MS platform have a complete hold on this kind of integration for the immediate future? Donald -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
Talking of Entourage, how does the the version found in Office 2001 compare to the latest version (I mean are there any security issues? Kyle said there are no security issues with entourage - does this apply to the 2001 entourage?). I'm running OS 9.2.2 in my wallstreet and 9.0.4 in my 7600/G3. --- Donald Keenan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple Mail does not have the above problem, but it still won't integrate my email, calendar and to-do lists, sync with my Palm and even integrate with Word, Excel and PowerPoint by grouping related documents and emails together as Entourage does. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
2001 is likely an Outlook port. I know it doesn't have spam filtering as nobody really did back then. Still, almost all malware is written for Windows, so even if something does get it, chances are it won't work. Andrew On 12/26/04 9:24 AM, PETE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Talking of Entourage, how does the the version found in Office 2001 compare to the latest version (I mean are there any security issues? Kyle said there are no security issues with entourage - does this apply to the 2001 entourage?). I'm running OS 9.2.2 in my wallstreet and 9.0.4 in my 7600/G3. --- Donald Keenan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple Mail does not have the above problem, but it still won't integrate my email, calendar and to-do lists, sync with my Palm and even integrate with Word, Excel and PowerPoint by grouping related documents and emails together as Entourage does. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
There is a free update for Entourage in Office v.X to allow integration with an Exchange server. My company does not use pop-based email, so I was able to download the update and use this version of Entourage. I'm planning to switch to Office 2004, as soon as I get used to the new version/interface. -Hal On Dec 26, 2004, at 10:14 AM, Andrew F. wrote: Entourage in Office v.X does not group emails with documents by project, but there is a free (I think on Microsoft's Mac website, perhaps hidden on the CD) conduit for Entourage to Palm. Where the older Entourage cannot compete with Mail is in spam filtering, which is much improved in Entourage 2004. Andrew On 12/26/04 9:08 AM, Donald Keenan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple Mail does not have the above problem, but it still won't integrate my email, calendar and to-do lists, sync with my Palm and even integrate with Word, Excel and PowerPoint by grouping related documents and emails together as Entourage does. I have the original version of Office v. Mac. Do you all think Entourage in that version might be worth switching to from Mail App or is it only the 2004 edition that seems worth it? We have an Exchange Server for our mail at work (LOTS of spam) and I'm going to inherit a Pocket PC with a wireless card. I read mail remotely on my Mac via my browser, but I'm wondering if anyone thinks Apple will ever provide the integration some folk need. Or does the MS platform have a complete hold on this kind of integration for the immediate future? Donald -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
M$ Office was, Re: Apple Mail
What I don't grasp is Apple's seeming indifference to the clear alterative: Open Office. I use OO on other platforms, and where I must use a Word-ish product; it's the clear choice. [I prefer WordPerfect, and use it more, but that is a side issue..] The major trouble with OO on OSX is it does not run under Aqua, requiring X11. That means a jolting exception in areas such as key assigments, a hassle starting it, eyc. I can't see why Apple is not providing the OO folks the resources they need to get a native OO port going now, not in a few years. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: M$ Office was, Re: Apple Mail
Perhaps because OpenOffice is not the Clear Alternative as you state it is. I tried it, and like any other Word Alternative it requires converstion to and from the .doc format, which introduces all sorts of formatting problems in both directions. Even if it was slick, polished and OS X native, Word would still be the only game in town for working with complex documents that actually are shared with the outside world. There are plenty of programs out there that are nicer than Word, faster, easier to use and even more powerful, but none of that matters when you are forced to spend 30 minutes reformatting a document after the import translator messes it up. Andrew On 12/26/04 10:01 AM, David Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I don't grasp is Apple's seeming indifference to the clear alterative: Open Office. I use OO on other platforms, and where I must use a Word-ish product; it's the clear choice. [I prefer WordPerfect, and use it more, but that is a side issue..] The major trouble with OO on OSX is it does not run under Aqua, requiring X11. That means a jolting exception in areas such as key assigments, a hassle starting it, eyc. I can't see why Apple is not providing the OO folks the resources they need to get a native OO port going now, not in a few years. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: M$ Office was, Re: Apple Mail
On Dec 26, 2004, at 1:10 PM, Andrew F. wrote: Perhaps because OpenOffice is not the Clear Alternative as you state it is. and perhaps part of the reason is that it would hurt Office:Mac, which would hurt Mac users if Microsoft decided to drop it. I prefer WordPerfect, and probably always will, but I'm getting used to Word for Mac and may actually like it someday. OpenOffice, to me, has all the problems of Word and none of the advantages, except for being free. As others have said, compatibility is important, and Word does it better. That said, OOo has been known to work better with MS than MS when dealing with different versions: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2004/04/06/interoperability I hope OOo will one day be a better option, but for now, Word is the best choice for me, regardless of who makes it. TjL -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: M$ Office was, Re: Apple Mail
On Sunday, December 26, 2004, at 11:01 AM, David Lesher wrote: What I don't grasp is Apple's seeming indifference to the clear alterative: Open Office. I use OO on other platforms, and where I must use a Word-ish product; it's the clear choice. [I prefer WordPerfect, and use it more, but that is a side issue..] The major trouble with OO on OSX is it does not run under Aqua, requiring X11. That means a jolting exception in areas such as key assigments, a hassle starting it, eyc. See NeoOffice http://www.neooffice.org/ ;-) just released in beta form, it's OO 1.1.3 ported to Mac-nativeness. I recommend it. I can't see why Apple is not providing the OO folks the resources they need to get a native OO port going now, not in a few years. Because they may not wish to compete head-on with Microsoft just yet? How did that ol' Jim Croce song go? You don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't spit into the wind... :-/ An Apple-branded OO suite would be seen as a direct threat to MS Office, and give OO a lot more credibility than it does right now. If MS drops Mac Office, it would severely hurt Apple's chances (slim as they are now) in the corporate and government arena. Hell, no MS Office would kill the Mac just about everywhere, due to the myopia and abject subjugation of the IT world by MS, and both Apple and Microsoft know this. You're not going to see a dime of Apple support go to OO. Microsoft has Apple over, what is it? Yeah, a barrel... Keynote isn't a threat because no one, NO ONE buys just Powerpoint. Office is the program...MS knows they have a lock on the market, and that is a huge club to hold over Apple's head. Enough changes were introduced in Office 2003 that OS X Office 2001 wasn't completely compatible...we get sent PP files of professor's lectures to convert to PDF and put up for our students; I got several this year that didn't properly convert (fonts all wrong, in the wrong places, elements were missing, etc) so I had to go find a PC with Office 2003 on it to convert them properly. To be fair, MS did the same thing to all of their Office 2002 users on the PC too, part of their you're merely paying rent on this stuff forced upgrade treadmill. I gotta get Office 2004 just for this crap. (Oddly enough, though, it's only the PC using faculty that make us do the conversions...every one of the Mac using profs are quite conversant with making PDF files, setting them up the way they want, etc...they even listen to use and tell us what folders they're in on the servers, so we can just copy them to the web server rather than email us these giant 25 and 30 meg attached PP files. Yes Virginia, Mac users ARE more intelligent...) But MS'es over-arching strategy is to keep any and all competition confined to the FUD-o-sphere (look, for example, at their current campaign against Linux) or undercut it out of the market, like they did to Word Perfect. Microsoft has also had the good fortune of having competitors routinely shoot themselves in the foot with Mac-10's. Witness the decline and fall of Word Perfect. Sure it's still around, and I'll even bet they have a few percent of the market, but they were once head-to-head competitors with MS Word, like Illustrator versus Freehand. Then came Novell's disastrous run at unseating MS as king of the OS hill. Novell got crushed, WP got sold to Corel which has been the burial grounds for so many useful programs that their stock symbol should be DED, and we all know what's happened since. Witness what happened with Netscape. They stumbled with NS 3 and IE got a head start it never gave up, not the least of which it was free (though to be frank, I've never met anyone who actually bought Netscape...). Notice where MS is quiet...SQL server is widely seen in the industry as merely a step up from Access; it's mainly used as an embedded sql engine in other products; Oracle, Sybase, and DB2 are all effective competitors on the higher end. IIS is used in a lot of places, but influential people are tiring of the continual security hassles of IIS as a web server; pache still has a LOT of installations, and the above competitors: Oracle, Sybase and IBM all use Apache severs as their embedded Web servers. Apache accounts for greater than 50% of all web servers. MS is losing in the overall back-end server market, too, though they still have the large lead they built up crushing Novell, Linux servers are proliferating in the server closets and once Mozilla's Sunbird scheduling and calendaring project is ready for prime time, that'll be a drop in, free replacement for Exchange. That's dangerous, because a lot of people are warming to Firefox and Thunderbird browsers and mail. At some point corporate folks are finally going to notice that they're sending wads of cash to MS when they could be keeping a lot by using OSS components. Then an Apple-branded OO will fly. -- Wherever you go, there you are. - B. Banzai, Ph.D.
Re: CDROM not recognized?
On Saturday, December 25, 2004, at 04:23 PM, Andrew F. wrote: Does 10.3.7 not work on a Pismo? I just ordered a Pismo on eBay, so I'd like to know before I install Panther and start applying upgrades. Some people at work have upgraded their without a problem. -- Wherever you go, there you are. - B. Banzai, Ph.D. Bruce Johnson -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Entourage (Was: Apple Mail)
At 8:15 AM -0800 12/26/04, Kyle Hansen wrote: There is not a single Entourage hole. It is far more secure than any other Macintosh Mail program including Apple's own. Probably because it is a Mac OS program! I've heard a bunch of new security flaws have been found in Windows XP and its associated SP2. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Wallstreet
My understanding is that the problem is in the PMU settings, not the PRAM. Steps 2 and 3 may well be unnecessary on some models, but are required on mine. As for pressing the brightness button, I find that it will only fix the problem if the backlight is off after startup; when the backlight fails to turn on after waking from sleep, the brightness controls do nothing. On 25 Dec 2004, at 13:13, Mikael Byström wrote: Ben Dyer said: This is a known issue with the Wallstreet under Jaguar. To fix this problem: * Restart into MacOS 9 * Put the Wallstreet to sleep * Wake it up again * Restart into Jaguar As I have stated earlier on-list, I have a differing experience in that step 2 and 3 above was unnecessary. However, to be able to boot into OS X, when in OS 9, you have to choose OS X as the startup disk with the associated control panel. During the first boot, when you do this, the machine may (or may not) freeze. On the second boot, this will not happen. Something to do with garbled NVRAM or PRAM Settings I have speculated. I never investigated, but if anyone want to check this, they could run the command: sudo nvram -p password in the terminal and compare the individual settings when the machine doesn't have this display problem, with when the machine do have the problem. In order to do the latter one could direct a strong light source to the display in order to see. This worked for me., for doing restarts into OS 9. I do think if possible it's ok to press the backlight buttons a few times to kick in the backlights if this is possible, as, for me at least, the problem came back at next restart, indicating the settings were the same even if you pressed those buttons. Most often for me, I couldn't get back the backlight, if I didn't press those buttons somewhere around midway thru the boot process, before Aqua. After that did not work. There may be other variations of course. Interesting. I think your interpretation is probably right; my PRAM battery was *completely* dead. Power failure during sleep does put more strain on the PRAM battery, as the Wallstreet uses the battery to back up the contents of main memory for 15-30 seconds (to enable battery changeover during sleep). Every time the power is interrupted (i.e. you take the power cord out, while no working battery is present), you will have to repeat the procedure--even if the Wallstreet was turned off at the time you removed the power cord. For me this problem *only* appeared if the wallstreet was in sleep or running when the power was cutoff. It's possible the difference is because my backup battery had a small load and yours didn't have one at all, but I'm not sure. My experience is somewhat different, however, and I thought it worth mentioning. Cheers, Ben -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
CD-RW for Wallstreet?
Someone listed a request on our local Craig's List for a Wallstreet CD-RW. Is there such a slide in module for the Wallstreet? That would be interesting. Cliff -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: CD-RW for Wallstreet?
Yes, there is a third-party CD-RW module for the WS. They're unbelievably rare, though. Good luck tracking one down. Cheers, Ben On 27 Dec 2004, at 15:43, CR wrote: Someone listed a request on our local Craig's List for a Wallstreet CD-RW. Is there such a slide in module for the Wallstreet? That would be interesting. Cliff -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
