Re: Tiger appearance question

[Harry Corsover]

We may be viewing mail differently. I use the main browser, and keep  
the upper-right window fairly small. In this view, the up or down  
arrows (if the message subject is highlighted; if not, tab to get  
there) go to the next or previous message (I keep messages sorted by  
date in descending order). If you use threading, click on the thread,  
and the right arrow takes you to the first unread message in the thread.

Apparently, this doesn't work if you open an email in its own window.
Regards,
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I use the arrow keys for many things, except getting to a new mail  
after having read another.
I have tried many key combination with the arrow keys (thinking  
Entourage here) but none has worked. Do you know of a combination  
that works?


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Re: Pismo/External DVD

[Ed Zelinsky]

Mine just failed- if you find something that works well would you mind 
sharing?

On May 2, 2005, at 4:48 PM, P. H. Adams wrote:
On May 2, 2005, at 6:41 PM, Tony Coult wrote:
I hope this is a simple question - if I buy an external DVDR/W drive, 
will I be able to use it to play commercial DVDs (movies) and music 
CDs? I've abandoned hope of the Expansion bay DVD/CD working...) Tony

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Re: leather cover; trackpad software

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 2, 2005, at 9:43 AM, Claire Hart wrote:
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/LSPTIG417/
I think someone on this list suggested it a while back.  My PowerBook 
is starting to show some shine on the trackpad, wrist area, and 
most-used keys.  I thought some kind of protection for the screen 
might be in order.  Will this affect the hinges over a period of time?
It shouldn't do that, and this is a good idea for anyone with a modern 
thin laptop.

A cheaper solution is to go to someplace like Pep Boys, Autozone or 
Checker and buy a chamois cloth. They're pretty cheap, usually less 
than $15, and have enough material for a half dozen protectors like 
this.

Even a sheet of paper works.
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Re: over quota notification from server

[John McGibney]

Actually the original post and answers were appropriate. The original poster
had no idea what the message meant, why he still got it after
troubleshooting, nor what his next step should be.

John 

> I am very happy with the current format and I am glad that a plethora
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> ONLY hardware questions be allowed, I shall be unsubscribing!
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Re: Next in Mail (was: Tiger appearance question)

[P. H. Adams]

On May 2, 2005, at 8:46 PM, Peter Saint James wrote:
Your supposition would seem correct.  I can see why one think  
that.  It seems like one would not have need for such buttons.
When one has them, however, they prove to be handy.

Makes sense. One thing that I neglected to consider is that not  
everyone prefers to view mail in the preview pane; some like to view  
in a separate window. I rarely, if ever, open mail in separate  
windows, but I can see how the inability of Mail to provide forward/ 
back functionality (keystrokes or buttons) might be frustrating in  
that circumstance.

-patch
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Re: Pismo/External DVD

[P. H. Adams]

On May 2, 2005, at 6:41 PM, Tony Coult wrote:
I hope this is a simple question - if I buy an external DVDR/W  
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and music CDs? I've abandoned hope of the Expansion bay DVD/CD  
working...) Tony

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Re: over quota notification from server

[Nima]

I am very happy with the current format and I am glad that a plethora  
of questions are being asked and answered. Should that change, and  
ONLY hardware questions be allowed, I shall be unsubscribing!

___
NBT
On May 2, 2005, at 12:11, Bruce Johnson wrote:
On May 1, 2005, at 1:32 PM, Mikael Byström wrote:

D. Goglin said:

Could anyone please tell me why I keep receiving notifications  
from my
internet server that I'm over quota on my email.

Obviously because you ask a hardware list something you should be  
asking
your email provider. Why are we supposed to be support for them?  
If this
list is turning a general software discussion list I shall be
unsubscribing. How come hardware has gotten such a low profile  
lately on
this list?

Because no one is *asking* hardware questions. Nor is this list  
exclusively hardware...look at the description on LEM:

"G-Books is a forum for users of G3- and G4-based PowerBooks and  
iBooks."

"What topics may be discussed?
Anything relating to portable Macs."
No mention of hardware-only limitations...


Do the current subsribers lack experience or what?
Oh, yes, less blame the list members for not meeting *your*  
expectations.


Anyone know about a list with more focus on portable mac hardware?

So ask hardware questions if you want a discussion of some hardware  
issue. What are you expecting here?

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RE - what to get first

[bobgir2004]

Ram.  Absolutely.  Max it out, that's what I did and it's still quite
slow.  

I have a G3 500Mhz, Dual-USB iBook (slow), a G4 14" iBook (faster) and a
20" G5 iMac (quite fast, indeed).

When I go back down to the iBook, I really get bugged having to wait, it
now seems to take forever for what takes only heartbeat on my G5.

Nonetheless, when I hit the road, I take the tiny, light (...and slowest
of the three) G3 iBook.  It's a nice little computer and you'll be happy
with it.


Ciao,
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Useful info in the press...

[Bruce Johnson]

The June Macaddict landed in my mailbox today, has a nice two page 
spread called 'Field Guide to Optical Disks', an article on creating 
Kid-Friendly Macs and an article on building both Pringles cantenna for 
your Airport and a parabolic reflector for your 802.11 router with an 
external antenna.

And I saw an ad in macWorld for "Make"...which looks like a modern 
rendition of the old Byte Circuit Cellar, along with a seasoning of The 
Amateur Scientist from Scientific american, and small Popular Mechanix 
projects, with a wee bit (I hope ONLY a wee bit!) of Wired in for good 
measure. Tinkerer heaven

 there's also an 
article on doing aerial photography using a kite.

(and yes, I know about Circuit Cellar Ink, was a premiere subscriber, 
now long lapsed, alas though I still have the articles on the 
construction of the high-powered 2L water rocket project...this doesn't 
look anywhere near as electronics geek geeky as CCI)

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Re: over quota notification from server

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 1, 2005, at 1:32 PM, Mikael Byström wrote:
D. Goglin said:
Could anyone please tell me why I keep receiving notifications from my
internet server that I'm over quota on my email.
Obviously because you ask a hardware list something you should be 
asking
your email provider. Why are we supposed to be support for them? If 
this
list is turning a general software discussion list I shall be
unsubscribing. How come hardware has gotten such a low profile lately 
on
this list?
Because no one is *asking* hardware questions. Nor is this list 
exclusively hardware...look at the description on LEM:

"G-Books is a forum for users of G3- and G4-based PowerBooks and 
iBooks."

"What topics may be discussed?
Anything relating to portable Macs."
No mention of hardware-only limitations...

Do the current subsribers lack experience or what?
Oh, yes, less blame the list members for not meeting *your* 
expectations.


Anyone know about a list with more focus on portable mac hardware?
So ask hardware questions if you want a discussion of some hardware 
issue. What are you expecting here?

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leather cover; trackpad software

[Claire Hart]

I am thinking of buying on of these for my 17" PowerBook.  Does anyone 
have any pros/cons to this product?

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/LSPTIG417/
I think someone on this list suggested it a while back.  My PowerBook 
is starting to show some shine on the trackpad, wrist area, and 
most-used keys.  I thought some kind of protection for the screen might 
be in order.  Will this affect the hinges over a period of time?

Thanks,
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Re: what to get first?

[Matthew Faulds]

Hi Laurent
That's just too tantalising...what problems?
Matt
PS Anyone got Tiger on a low spec machine yet - clamshell for instance.?
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From: Laurent Daudelin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "G-Books" 
To: "G-Books" 
Subject: Re: what to get first?
Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 11:04:52 -0400
On 02/05/05 10:58, "Matthew Faulds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
>
> RAM will make the biggest difference in my experience. Also, if Panther
> works well for you you may avoid some headaches waiting for a bit - it 
may
> not make your system any better and upgrading can cause time consuming
> issues when it doesn't go smoothly.
>
> Having said that, Tiger is on its way to me now..

I agree with this. I have been using Tiger for a few weeks now and I have
some issues with a couple of things.
Plus, if you depend on Cisco VPN, you're out of luck right now because the
latest version of the Cisco VPN client is not compatible with Tiger yet.
They said they would have a new, compatible version in May but there is no
telling when...
-Laurent.

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Re: what to get first?

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 02/05/05 10:58, "Matthew Faulds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi
> 
> RAM will make the biggest difference in my experience. Also, if Panther
> works well for you you may avoid some headaches waiting for a bit - it may
> not make your system any better and upgrading can cause time consuming
> issues when it doesn't go smoothly.
> 
> Having said that, Tiger is on its way to me now..

I agree with this. I have been using Tiger for a few weeks now and I have
some issues with a couple of things.

Plus, if you depend on Cisco VPN, you're out of luck right now because the
latest version of the Cisco VPN client is not compatible with Tiger yet.
They said they would have a new, compatible version in May but there is no
telling when...

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Re: what to get first?

[Matthew Faulds]

Hi
RAM will make the biggest difference in my experience. Also, if Panther 
works well for you you may avoid some headaches waiting for a bit - it may 
not make your system any better and upgrading can cause time consuming 
issues when it doesn't go smoothly.

Having said that, Tiger is on its way to me now..
Matt

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To: "G-Books" 
Subject: what to get first?
Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 06:43:12 -0500
Hi all!  I have a G3 iBook just bought from a friend.  It has 256 MB of 
SDRAM and system 10.3.9 installed.  I am thinking about getting more RAM (I 
can have up to 640 on this iBook) but I am intrigued by the new system, 
Tiger, given all that I have read about it.  I really can only afford one or 
the other right now; what would you get first?

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Re: Power Supply

[Deaner Lawless]

Look at the one Kensington and iGo make. If the adapter tip is not 
included for your iBook it can be ordered. Also Radio Shack carries an 
array of these tips. These will also charge iPods, PDAs, cell phones, 
etc.

Deaner
On May 2, 2005, at 7:47 AM, Amanda Ward wrote:
One more question... (for now) ;)
Is there a different power supply I can use with my iBook? The "flying
saucer" style works and is kinda cute, but a bit of a pain to travel 
with.
Is there a more conventional "brick" style I can use with Irving?

Thanks,
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Re: over quota notification from server

[Mikael Byström]

D. Goglin said:

>Could anyone please tell me why I keep receiving notifications from my 
>internet server that I'm over quota on my email. 

Obviously because you ask a hardware list something you should be asking
your email provider. Why are we supposed to be support for them? If this
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Re: what to get first?

[Brian Stewart]

On 2-May-05, at 7:43 AM, demilove wrote:
Hi all!  I have a G3 iBook just bought from a friend.  It has 256 MB 
of SDRAM and system 10.3.9 installed.  I am thinking about getting 
more RAM (I can have up to 640 on this iBook) but I am intrigued by 
the new system, Tiger, given all that I have read about it.  I really 
can only afford one or the other right now; what would you get first?

I just picked up a G4 Powerbook 12" with 256MB of Ram.
I wanted to upgrade it to the "unsupported" 1024 MB of Ram but opted 
out for the 512 MB stick because of price. 1,200 CND for the laptop and 
500 more for the RAM was t much.

At 640 the machine works very well with 10.3, At 256 it was O.K. but ...
Go with the RAM. I would wait for 10.4 to become popular and hear some 
"real life" reviews of any potential speed increases before I slap down 
170 CND for a copy.


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Re: what to get first?

[David Lesher]

Hi all!  I have a G3 iBook just bought from a friend.  It has 256 MB 
of SDRAM and system 10.3.9 installed.  I am thinking about getting 
more RAM (I can have up to 640 on this iBook) but I am intrigued by 
the new system, Tiger, given all that I have read about it.  I 
really can only afford one or the other right now; what would you get first?
RAM.
and then more RAM

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Re: what to get first?

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 02/05/05 07:43, demilove at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi all!  I have a G3 iBook just bought from a friend.  It has 256 MB of
> SDRAM and system 10.3.9 installed.  I am thinking about getting more RAM
> (I can have up to 640 on this iBook) but I am intrigued by the new
> system, Tiger, given all that I have read about it.  I really can only
> afford one or the other right now; what would you get first?

I would get RAM first.

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Re: Power Supply

[David Lesher]

Is there a different power supply I can use with my iBook? The "flying
saucer" style works and is kinda cute, but a bit of a pain to travel with.
Is there a more conventional "brick" style I can use with Irving?
As in Berlin?
From Apple, there are UFO's and the white cubes with the elephant 
ears. But I'm hearing reports from several people about those overheating

Several other companies make "universal" adapters that fit as well. 
This includes "IGO" and Targus. Many are 120V/13v/15v for 
home/auto/aircraft use.

I'd look to see if any offer long warranties... 

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Re: Next in Mail (was: Tiger appearance question)

[Peter Saint James]

On 1 May2005, at 4:10 PM, P. H. Adams wrote:
I'm just curious (so don't flame me), but I've always wondered of what 
use those "next" and "previous" buttons were in e-mail clients. I've 
used clients that have them, and never touched 'em. Seems like extra 
effort when you can hit the spacebar or arrow keys to jump through 
your e-mails. Maybe it's just me, though, since I've always been a 
"keyboard-centric" kind of guy.
	Your supposition would seem correct.  I can see why one think that.  
It seems like one would not have need for such buttons.   When one has 
them, however, they prove to be handy.

	They were not my usual way of going through a list, but if I was doing 
something with the mouse anyway, I could easily get the next message 
without having to move my hand to keyboard.

	For example, I might open a mailbox of stored messages looking for a 
certain one.  That's a mouse gesture.  Then to go down the messages in 
that mail box, using a button is easier for me than clicking on each 
message.



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Power Supply

[Amanda Ward]

One more question... (for now) ;)

Is there a different power supply I can use with my iBook? The "flying
saucer" style works and is kinda cute, but a bit of a pain to travel with.
Is there a more conventional "brick" style I can use with Irving?

Thanks,

Amanda
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what to get first?

[demilove]

Hi all!  I have a G3 iBook just bought from a friend.  It has 256 MB of 
SDRAM and system 10.3.9 installed.  I am thinking about getting more RAM 
(I can have up to 640 on this iBook) but I am intrigued by the new 
system, Tiger, given all that I have read about it.  I really can only 
afford one or the other right now; what would you get first?

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Re: Ditching OS 9

[Amanda Ward]

Thanks for all the suggestions... somehow Irving didn't want to loose any
folder with "System" in its name. Refused to let me delete them.
So... I backed up the important stuff to the USB drive and reinstalled X
from scratch. Wasn't a total loss tho'... I got to nap between CD's!

The only reason I needed to keep 9 was to run m$ office 98, but I finally
got a copy of office v.x and all is goodness. (Yeah, I know... m$ stuff is
kinda lame, but at work I have to have it.)

Thanks again,

Amanda
"What could be worse than toads?" -- Arthur C. Carlson - WKRP

> -Original Message-
> From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luis
> Sequeira
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:43 AM
> To: G-Books
> Subject: Re: Ditching OS 9
> 
> >
> >A Quick Question...
> >
> >I finally have all the software needed for OS X and want to delete OS
> >9/Classic from my iBook. Is there any easy way to do this or is a clean
> >install of X the way to go?
> >Reinstalling X is not a huge issue, but if I can save a few hours, it'd
> be
> >nice!
> >
> >Thanks for any advice y'all might have!
> >
> >Amanda
> 
> Drag the folder named "System Folder" (NOT the one called "System",
> this contains Mac OS X!!!)
> and the folder named "Applications (Mac OS 9)" (again, NOT the one
> just called "Applications") to the trash and empty the trash.
> 
> That should about do it. You don't have to worry about preference
> files, as Mac OS 9 apps store those in a folder inside the "System
> Folder".
> 
> Do make sure you don't actually need it (or can easily install it
> back) before you do this. You could, for instance, keep a backup of
> the two folders on one or two CDs.
> 
> Luis Sequeira
> 


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Re: Tiger appearance question

[Nima]

I use the arrow keys for many things, except getting to a new mail  
after having read another.
I have tried many key combination with the arrow keys (thinking  
Entourage here) but none has worked. Do you know of a combination  
that works?

___
NBT
On May 2, 2005, at 0:19, Harry Corsover wrote:
Have you tried the arrow keys?
Regards,
Harry Corsover
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On Apr 30, 2005, at 9:30 PM, Nima wrote:

The only gripe I have about Tiger so far, is that there are still  
no "next" buttons in Mail. I mean, how strange that is?


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Pismo/External DVD

[Tony Coult]

I hope this is a simple question - if I buy an external DVDR/W drive, 
will I be able to use it to play commercial DVDs (movies) and music 
CDs? I've abandoned hope of the Expansion bay DVD/CD working...) Tony
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Re: Ditching OS 9

[Luis Sequeira]

A Quick Question...
I finally have all the software needed for OS X and want to delete OS
9/Classic from my iBook. Is there any easy way to do this or is a clean
install of X the way to go?
Reinstalling X is not a huge issue, but if I can save a few hours, it'd be
nice!
Thanks for any advice y'all might have!
Amanda
Drag the folder named "System Folder" (NOT the one called "System", 
this contains Mac OS X!!!)
and the folder named "Applications (Mac OS 9)" (again, NOT the one 
just called "Applications") to the trash and empty the trash.

That should about do it. You don't have to worry about preference 
files, as Mac OS 9 apps store those in a folder inside the "System 
Folder".

Do make sure you don't actually need it (or can easily install it 
back) before you do this. You could, for instance, keep a backup of 
the two folders on one or two CDs.

Luis Sequeira
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Re: Problems with spymac email

[themacuser]

SpyMac has sucked since all the PC users signed up for it just to get 
the webspace and email, and then spammed the forums to get a reasonable 
postcount.
On 02/05/2005, at 13:12, Jim Dynes wrote:

I have never had a problem until now. I have never had any spam. I do 
get spam from msn though. The only problem is that
I am on several lists and it is a real pain to unsubscribe from all of 
them & subscribe on a different account. I do have a
gmail account but every time I send an email I get a ssl error. 
Something about can't confirm a certificate.

Jim
On May 1, 2005, at 8:45 PM, Nima wrote:
Spymac mail sux! Their servers are either down or way too slow to mean 
anything. Or you simply lose your mail.
Spymac.com is also blacklisted by many ISPs because of excessive spam. 
It never worked for me until I simply abandoned
the darn thing. I suggest you try gmail-I have some invites to give 
away too.

On May 1, 2005, at 20:23, Jim Dynes wrote:
Hi All;
I am having problems with Spymac mail. It used to work fine but now I 
can receive mail just fine but I can't send unless I use
web mail like I am doing now.

My outgoing mail server is mail.spymac.com just like it has alwasy has 
been.

Any suggestions?
Jim


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