Re: real estate situation
Here's my 2 cents. Virtual PC runs very well but slowly on every Mac I've ever put it on including my G5 iMac. At least on the G5, it runs half way fast but on this 1.2 gig iBook, it's tedious at best. When VPC (I have the latest version--7) is running, for all intents and purposes you are using a PCbut I really think that you're going to be sort of crippled trying to use it. As much as I am a total MacAddict and even hate to say the following, I think it must be said for you to be competitive. Get a cheap PC laptop for use at work (there, I typed it and didn't explode). You can still exchange information with it and your Mac. Good Luck in your new career. Tim On Jul 5, 2005, at 6:00 PM, Claire Hart wrote: Possibly three weeks ago, I posted to this list that I would probably be headed into real estate soon. I have since taken the required courses and am waiting to take the state certification test in a few weeks. The company I will work with uses several pieces of software that is Windows-based. No one has Macs. The real estate school I attended confirmed that NO ONE in the business uses Macs. Much of the computer use is for accessing things online, but some of it is actually running Windows-based real estate applications which is installed on each agent's computer. (Realtors are independent, and therefore buy their own software, etc.) When I posted a few weeks ago, everyone recommended that Virtual PC is the way to go. Today I talked to the person that handles computer support for the company I will be working for. (He is not in-house, but works independently.) He says he has worked on Macs, but he doesn't know what Virtual PC is, and he can't believe that I don't have antivirus software running. I can tell that he has not WORKED on Macs. He says that if he has to support my computer to keep it current and to keep it virus-free, I will have to pay additionally for his tech support. I told him that I've never in 13 years ever paid for technical support. The last time I bought antivirus software was for my 1993 Centris (no, that is not a car). In other words, he doesn't understand my questions at all. I just want to know if the software I will be required to use can run through Virtual PC. He did tell me that the whole office runs on a server. The word server is not exactly good news. I think that the office has a staff person that installs everyone's software for them. After that phone call, I figured that the only thing I have to lose is the price of Virtual PC. If it doesn't work, I'll have to go buy a PC laptop. Either way, I'll be loading the same software onto either my PowerBook with Virtual PC, or onto a PC laptop. So, here is my request one more time: Is anyone out there selling real estate, using current software that is written for real estate agents, and accomplishing it with a Mac? Or do you know of someone who is? Please, please, please respond if it is working for you. Desperately, Claire -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- Exterminate all rational though. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: real estate situation
Have managed to run just about any software on the various versions of VPC, especially 5 and 6. Specifically, the schlock put out by the mexican banks and government and (non schlock) accounting software put out by a small softworks down here in Mexico. Has also been useful for believe it or not accessing Mexican bank and the Mexican IRS webpages that don't seem to fly under Mac browsers. So it is definitely worth a try. My only failure was a piece of software put out by a large company that is a viewer for maps of Mexico city. It's copy protection scheme apparently has a problem with the v.6.x VPC API implementation. So I bought a pirate copy. (already own a legal copy, and the publisher refused to make it work). Not sure if the v. 7.x VPC implementation works. Things will be a bit slower, so it depends as to how intense your windows needs will be. I'd take a shot at it. Never mind the tech support fussing. If all he's looking for is virii and network issues, you are not the droid he is looking for. F. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: real estate situation
Claire, I got to thinking again about your dilemma and did a search and came up with the following: Virtual PC for Real Estate Use? Can I use an Apple 14 iBook 1.33 GHz with 768MB RAM as my Real Estate Platform? In my case (California) I needed to work with two key Windows based programs. Let me call them WinForms and Paragon, the MLS search capability via Internet Explorer. I knew I would need Virtual PC to handle WinForms and it turned out to be mandatory for Paragon, too. WinForms provided no problems from the beginning, but Paragon was a long struggle. Yesterday was a break-through and it is working like a champ. I get instant results from even the most complicated search. The major things I had to do were, upgrade to VPC 7.0.1 and get the exact configuration of IE instructions from Paragon. The results are spectacular. You might want to read the bio for Peggy Madsen at the following url and possibly contact her and get advice. http://www.real-estate-rockies.com/profiles.html Another thing you could try is contacting your local and state board of Realtors and the MLS in your area. They may know of a Realtor who does use a Mac. kt -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: real estate situation
Virii are still very much an issue with Windows under VPC. You'll have to use and maintain AV software same as with a 'regular' wintel PC. Heh heh, as for getting support from any PC 'support' drones, just switch VPC to full screen mode . . . they probably won't even know the difference! :-D Heck, for all intents and purposes, there _isn't_ any difference! dan k . http://macdan.n3.net/ carracho://dankephoto.dhs.org:9700 hotline://dankephoto.dhs.org:9500 . -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: real estate situation
On Jul 6, 2005, at 3:55 AM, Tim Collier wrote: Here's my 2 cents. Virtual PC runs very well but slowly on every Mac I've ever put it on including my G5 iMac. At least on the G5, it runs half way fast but on this 1.2 gig iBook, it's tedious at best. When VPC (I have the latest version--7) is running, for all intents and purposes you are using a PCbut I really think that you're going to be sort of crippled trying to use it. As much as I am a total MacAddict and even hate to say the following, I think it must be said for you to be competitive. Get a cheap PC laptop for use at work (there, I typed it and didn't explode). You can still exchange information with it and your Mac. Good Luck in your new career. Tim On Jul 5, 2005, at 6:00 PM, Claire Hart wrote: Claire, I'm afraid I have to agree with Tim when it comes to VPC. In most cases, VPC is too slow. My cousin's wife went up against the same thing. . .she recently graduated from the Bar Association, but wanted to practice law on her Mac. She bugged the crap outta' me since I'm the known mac expert in the family to see if she could do this. After battling the lapse of speed issues and constant badgering from software developers that hardley know Mac even exists, she finally took my advice to get a cheap laptop (eBay for $350.00) and the necessary AV software (a MUST on any PC these days), she can rule in court effectively. Being a Mac User as heart, she still uses her Mac for everything else though, and recently informed me that several software developers are finally working on specific attorney standard programs that are OS X based. I think it's safe to assume that this will happen to the real estate market as well very soon. . .even before the Intel based Macs are introduced. Slowly but surly many developers are FINALLY getting the clue that the Mac is overall a virus free environment. Another friend of mine is waiting for the same thing, he's a CPA. . .a field were viruses could put you behind bars if not stopped. Hope my two cents count. . .and remember, you're not the only one in this situation! :) Zoltan THE BLUETOOTH (and WiFi) MASTER -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: real estate situation
On Jul 6, 2005, at 2:00 PM, Zoltan Batiz wrote: Claire, I'm afraid I have to agree with Tim when it comes to VPC. In most cases, VPC is too slow. I'll third this motion. I've been installing Win XP Pro on my Mac (800 Mhz G4) *all day long*, and I'm only about mostly done with the Service Pack 2, much less get the VPC attached to the network and updated further. Plus bleeping VPC is sucking every processor cycle it can get it's greedy little hands on. Slowly but surly many developers are FINALLY getting the clue that the Mac is overall a virus free environment. Yes, I'd agree with you that many developers are particularly surly. :-P Interesting that you bring up law as a field; Apple just posted a success story of a company that makes testing software for law schools called Electronic Blue Book, they ported a VBasic Windows app to the Mac in 12 days via RealBasic, from not owning a Mac to having an alpha version running with all features: http://developer.apple.com/business/macmarket/electronicbluebook.html We need to send this link to all of those surly developers...I'd wager that nearly every one of those Real Estate apps are VB programs...VB is a large player in the vertical market realm They may even like it, RealBasic lets them write programs for Windows, Macs and Linux simultaneously... -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: real estate situation
Once upon a time (Tue Jul 05), Claire Hart wrote: Today I talked to the person that handles computer support for the company I will be working for. (He is not in-house, but works independently.) He says he has worked on Macs, but he doesn't know what Virtual PC is, and he can't believe that I don't have antivirus software running. Claire, Virtual PC (VPC) is what it sounds like: it is a PC implemented in software rather than hardware. The software emulates a particular basic PC, including a particular level of Pentium CPU, graphics card, so on. Then you install a copy of MS Windows onto that virtual computer, and within that install other software. Functionally, Windows and the other software knows no difference between the virtual environment and a physical environment. You will only have issues with software which depends on particular hardware, especially graphics, to operate. The vast majority of non-game PC software will work just fine in VPC. Some esoteric software may not, but I seriously doubt that any mundane real estate software would have any issue. Unfortunately, the copy of Windows executing in the virtual PC is just as susceptible to viruses and worms as any other copy. It should have anti-virus software installed, both to protect itself and other Windows computers on the network. He did tell me that the whole office runs on a server. The word server is not exactly good news. I think that the office has a staff person that installs everyone's software for them. When the guy says server it is 99.9% likely that he is speaking only of simple file and printer serving, perhaps with a Windows domain security scheme. They also probably use Exchange for email/calendaring. The Mac OS X works fine with such servers, and the Windows within VPC would as well. That is not an issue. In the PC world, a server typically serves only files and printers, and perhaps database connections, although recently with remote desktop software a PC server can actually execute applications for display on client machines. But even if they are doing that, which I really doubt given the guy's apparent level of competence, you shouldn't have a problem. So, here is my request one more time: Is anyone out there selling real estate, using current software that is written for real estate agents, and accomplishing it with a Mac? Or do you know of someone who is? Please, please, please respond if it is working for you. I work with clients who are realtors, using software to access the MLS system. Until a couple years ago, they were still using ancient DOS software connecting via a dial-up connection to the MLS server. They now use a more modern Windows based software package, which accesses the MLS data over the Internet. But that software is still trivial. Also, I did a quick Google search for Macs and MLS, and found this blurb: New Tech Support Group Formed for Mac Users Are you a Macintosh user? Join the new REALTOR® Macintosh Users Group, REMUG. This group is committed to finding solutions to issues involving Macintosh systems and real estate software. Contact Michael Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details. So, somebody out there is using a Mac. Larry -- Lawrence Weeks[EMAIL PROTECTED] Anabasis Consulting Ltd -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: real estate situation
On Jul 6, 2005, at 5:58 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jul 6, 2005, at 2:00 PM, Zoltan Batiz wrote: Claire, I'm afraid I have to agree with Tim when it comes to VPC. In most cases, VPC is too slow. I'll third this motion. I've been installing Win XP Pro on my Mac (800 Mhz G4) *all day long*, and I'm only about mostly done with the Service Pack 2, much less get the VPC attached to the network and updated further. Plus bleeping VPC is sucking every processor cycle it can get it's greedy little hands on. One major issue is the OS version you install. WinXP is a resource hog. My homebrew PC that was snappy with Win2k crawled under Win2k. VPC on my alBook runs Win98, Millennium, and Win2k well enough to use. WinXP isn't acceptable at all. In fact, I wouldn't even use WinXP on my dually G5. david -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
OE on OSX?
Baby question: Does Outlook Express work on OSX? Thanks, Jim -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: OE on OSX?
No, but should run in classic. Try OS X's mail app. It's good. Exterminate all rational thought. Jim Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: __ Baby question: Does Outlook Express work on OSX? Thanks, Jim -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: OE on OSX?
Or Thunderbird Rick On 6-Jul-05, at 9:59 PM, Tim Collier wrote: No, but should run in classic. Try OS X's mail app. It's good. Exterminate all rational thought. Jim Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: __ Baby question: Does Outlook Express work on OSX? Thanks, Jim -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: real estate situation
on 06/07/05 19:29, david at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 6, 2005, at 5:58 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jul 6, 2005, at 2:00 PM, Zoltan Batiz wrote: Claire, I'm afraid I have to agree with Tim when it comes to VPC. In most cases, VPC is too slow. I'll third this motion. I've been installing Win XP Pro on my Mac (800 Mhz G4) *all day long*, and I'm only about mostly done with the Service Pack 2, much less get the VPC attached to the network and updated further. Plus bleeping VPC is sucking every processor cycle it can get it's greedy little hands on. One major issue is the OS version you install. WinXP is a resource hog. My homebrew PC that was snappy with Win2k crawled under Win2k. VPC on my alBook runs Win98, Millennium, and Win2k well enough to use. WinXP isn't acceptable at all. In fact, I wouldn't even use WinXP on my dually G5. And WinXP doesn't add much that can't be found in Win2000, except maybe more fancy icons... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] bug-compatible adj.: [common] Said of a design or revision that has been badly compromised by a requirement to be compatible with fossils or misfeatures in other programs or (esp.) previous releases of itself. MS-DOS 2.0 used \ as apath separator to be bug-compatible with some cretin's choice of / as an option character in 1.0. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
