Re: Disk maintenence tools

[Larry le Mac]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Put the OS and apps on one volume, that you just leave alone.
It will be mainly smaller files, so let OS X manage it.
Put your big work files, videos etc, on a different volume or (better) a 
totally different HD.
Exactly my view:
80GB internal - OS, apps & temporary + work files
3x120GB internal - software installers, data & audio books
250GB FW ext. - music
120GB FW ext. - films
I just found a 120GB disk I'd forgotten about which I can
use for temp. storage/erase/backup cleaning.
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Re: Disk maintenence tools

[darm0k]

From: "E. Moorhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The desire to "DE-FRAGMENT" an OS/X'd Hard Drive,
as one would an OS/9, is to be STRONGLY AVOIDED!
Bad advice, IMO.  While 10.2 and .3 do some of its own on-the-fly 
disk optimizations of smaller files, it easily allows HDs with large 
files to become BADLY fragmented - which greatly reduces their 
performance.

I'm not one to advocate defragging often.  But when you deal with 
large files, it can be necessary.

At 01:19 PM +0100 11/02/2004, Larry le Mac wrote:
From: Al Poulin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

With any extra disk space, you can copy files from one disk or 
volume to another.  That, in effect, defragments them.  Safer than 
Norton, I think.  And if you want to fix any bad blocks, you can 
reformat your drive(s) beforehand.
Good idea, except most of my 120GB disks are almost full, but I suppose
buying one more "maintenance" disk would solve that...
IMO, the best scheme is:
Put the OS and apps on one volume, that you just leave alone.  It 
will be mainly smaller files, so let OS X manage it.

Put your big work files, videos etc, on a different volume or 
(better) a totally different HD.  Defrag that by depending on OS X's 
adaptive clustering plus copy/backup-erase-restore or a 3rd party 
defragger now and then.

Check out this Apple article for more detail.  Even Apple recommends 
using a 3rd party defragger (see the end of the tech article)!

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25668
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Re: Disk maintenence tools

[Larry le Mac]

From: Al Poulin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

With any extra disk space, you can copy files from one disk or volume to 
another.  That, in effect, defragments them.  Safer than Norton, I think.  
And if you want to fix any bad blocks, you can reformat your drive(s) 
beforehand.
Good idea, except most of my 120GB disks are almost full, but I suppose
buying one more "maintenance" disk would solve that...
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Re: Disk maintenence tools

[Al Poulin]

With any extra disk space, you can copy files from one disk or volume 
to another.  That, in effect, defragments them.  Safer than Norton, I 
think.  And if you want to fix any bad blocks, you can reformat your 
drive(s) beforehand.

Al Poulin
"Larry le Mac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: "E. Moorhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The desire to "DE-FRAGMENT" an OS/X'd Hard Drive,
as one would an OS/9, is to be STRONGLY AVOIDED!
I take your point, but I wuld like to clarfy why I asked
the question in the first place.
I have several large disks with DATA (no System whatsoever)
and much of that data is in 700MB file sizes, and smaller files
are removed, large ones added...
Hmm, I think you already know that bit.
I would like to defrag those disks.
No way does OS X handle these files/disks.
I supose I could chuck them into (the IDE disks) and onto
(the Firewire disks) my B&W runing 9.2.2 and run Norton,
they are after all DATA only Mac disks...

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Re: Disk maintenence tools - Drive 10/X ?

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At 3:37 AM -0400 11/1/04, E. Moorhead wrote:
	DV 10X was a temporary stand-in for TchTl Pro UpGrade to 
OS/X, while they worked-out major problems, switching from OS/9 to 
X's UNIX underpinnings.

	The undertaking took an inordinately Loong time, and the 
Cybernetic World was brought to the brink of MAC Civil War & 
Anarchy, as MAC'ers near and far 'Demanded' the return of their 2 
'Indispensable' Tools;  DW & TTPro.

Eager to quell the eminent Uprising, DRIVE 10 was released.
	While We, the Maddened MAC Hoard, fiddled, quibbled, 
fussed-with, and mulled-over this New 'Creature',  TT bought itself 
enough breathing-room, just barely, to complete work on a 'passable' 
Application of TTP-4;  In my case at least, released as a FREE 
UpGrade to DRIVE 10.  Which is being allowed to die a mourn-less. 
and quiet death.

	Where DRIVE Tools for MAC are concerned;  There is DISK 
WARRIOR, TECH TOOL PRO and Prayer.  Period!  Not necessarily in that 
order.

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Re: Disk maintenence tools

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On 01/11/04 10:48, "Larry le Mac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> From: "E. Moorhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>> The desire to "DE-FRAGMENT" an OS/X'd Hard Drive,
>> as one would an OS/9, is to be STRONGLY AVOIDED!
> 
> I take your point, but I wuld like to clarfy why I asked
> the question in the first place.
> 
> I have several large disks with DATA (no System whatsoever)
> and much of that data is in 700MB file sizes, and smaller files
> are removed, large ones added...
> 
> Hmm, I think you already know that bit.
> 
> I would like to defrag those disks.
> 
> No way does OS X handle these files/disks.

Like others pointed out, Unix, at the core, has its own defragmenting
routines. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

You could probably do a search on the Internet to find out more about the
defrag features of any flavor of Unix.

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Re: Disk maintenence tools

[Larry le Mac]

From: "E. Moorhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The desire to "DE-FRAGMENT" an OS/X'd Hard Drive,
as one would an OS/9, is to be STRONGLY AVOIDED!
I take your point, but I wuld like to clarfy why I asked
the question in the first place.
I have several large disks with DATA (no System whatsoever)
and much of that data is in 700MB file sizes, and smaller files
are removed, large ones added...
Hmm, I think you already know that bit.
I would like to defrag those disks.
No way does OS X handle these files/disks.
I supose I could chuck them into (the IDE disks) and onto
(the Firewire disks) my B&W runing 9.2.2 and run Norton,
they are after all DATA only Mac disks...
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Re: Disk maintenence tools - Drive 10/X ?

[Larry le Mac]

From: "E. Moorhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Where DRIVE Tools for MAC are concerned;  There is DISK WARRIOR, TECH TOOL 
PRO and Prayer.  Period!  Not necessarily in that order.
Viel dank!
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Re: Disk maintenence tools

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On Nov 1, 2004, at 5:28 AM, E. Moorhead wrote:
	The attempted comparison of TTPro with DW does NOT Compute, 
so-to-speak.

It would be as to compare the Sky with a Thought.
Great information, e. Thanks for that and the link.
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Re: Disk maintenence tools

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	The attempted comparison of TTPro with DW does NOT Compute, 
so-to-speak.

It would be as to compare the Sky with a Thought.
	They are two completely different, and indispensable Tools, meant for 
dissimilar objectives.

	The desire to "DE-FRAGMENT" an OS/X'd Hard Drive, as one would an 
OS/9, is to be STRONGLY AVOIDED!

	UNIX, the underpinnings of OS/X, handles FILES, and everything else, 
for that matter, very differently from OS/9, and all before.  It DOES 
NOT lend itself to 'De-Fragmentation', as we knew it in Pre OS/X 
Operating Systems.

	Any unwise attempt to 'FORCE' OS/X through this exercise, as 
SIMANiaTEC does, can cause drastic, and potentially irreversible damage 
to a SYSTEM.

	"Fragmentation", as we use to know it Pre OS/X, does not present a 
problem under UNEX.  SHUTDOWN, (as adverse to RESTART), and START-UP 
from Cold Boot, pretty-much handles any 'House-keeping' OS/X requires;:


a FREE Application, handles the rest.
	Above is an extremely general, and superficial 'overview?)' of OS/X 
'De-Fragg' question.

	The DEFINITIVE Word on this, and ALL things MAC/OS/X is to be found 
here:


	Surely, if there is a MAC GOD, this is HE!  From His lips, to APPLE's 
ear.  If He doesn't cover it, you don't NEED to know it.  You can NOT 
spend a wasted moment here.

	This should be Your very First, and Singular "BookMark" for ALL things 
MAC!

	Your very first dollar spent on Your MAC, after purchase, should be on 
DISKWARRIOR and TECHTOOL PRO.

MH 2cents worth...
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On Oct 30, 2004, at 3:36 PM, dan_A wrote:
On Oct 30, 2004, at 2:58 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
on 30/10/04 13:22, Larry le Mac at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Mikael Byström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

For what it does, yes, it is the best IMHO. It doesn't
exactly match the feature set of Techtool though.
It seems to focus on recovery more that preventive.
DiskWarrior is a life saver and fixes and rebuilds your fragmented 
directory (which happens in time with normal use on all computers)... 
a unique solution and supremely effective. The latest version, 3.02 is 
the only one that works with OS 10.3.5. The previous versions came 
with a separate disk defragger... unfortunately they no longer make it 
available on the DW CD. If it still exists, you would have to buy it 
separately. Techtool is a way to go. But whatever else you have for 
disk maintenance/recovery, you should invest in DW because no other 
utility does the type of fix it does. It has recovered a zonked drive 
many times for me... I love it.

PS- I'm not affiliated with Alsoft, the maker of DiskWarrior.
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Re: Disk maintenence tools - Drive 10/X ?

[E. Moorhead]

	DV 10X was a temporary stand-in for TchTl Pro UpGrade to OS/X, while 
they worked-out major problems, switching from OS/9 to X's UNIX 
underpinnings.

	The undertaking took an inordinately Loong time, and the 
Cybernetic World was brought to the brink of MAC Civil War & Anarchy, 
as MAC'ers near and far 'Demanded' the return of their 2 
'Indispensable' Tools;  DW & TTPro.

Eager to quell the eminent Uprising, DRIVE 10 was released.
	While We, the Maddened MAC Hoard, fiddled, quibbled, fussed-with, and 
mulled-over this New 'Creature',  TT bought itself enough 
breathing-room, just barely, to complete work on a 'passable' 
Application of TTP-4;  In my case at least, released as a FREE UpGrade 
to DRIVE 10.  Which is being allowed to die a mourn-less. and quiet 
death.

	Where DRIVE Tools for MAC are concerned;  There is DISK WARRIOR, TECH 
TOOL PRO and Prayer.  Period!  Not necessarily in that order.

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What about Drive 10/X ?
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Re: Disk maintenence tools

[dan_A]

On Oct 30, 2004, at 2:58 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
on 30/10/04 13:22, Larry le Mac at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Mikael Byström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

For what it does, yes, it is the best IMHO. It doesn't
exactly match the feature set of Techtool though.
It seems to focus on recovery more that preventive.
DiskWarrior is a life saver and fixes and rebuilds your fragmented 
directory (which happens in time with normal use on all computers)... a 
unique solution and supremely effective. The latest version, 3.02 is 
the only one that works with OS 10.3.5. The previous versions came with 
a separate disk defragger... unfortunately they no longer make it 
available on the DW CD. If it still exists, you would have to buy it 
separately. Techtool is a way to go. But whatever else you have for 
disk maintenance/recovery, you should invest in DW because no other 
utility does the type of fix it does. It has recovered a zonked drive 
many times for me... I love it.

PS- I'm not affiliated with Alsoft, the maker of DiskWarrior.
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Re: Disk maintenence tools - Drive 10/X ?

[Larry le Mac]

What about Drive 10/X ?
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Re: Disk maintenence tools

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on 30/10/04 13:22, Larry le Mac at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> From: Mikael Byström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>> For what it does, yes, it is the best IMHO. It doesn't
>> exactly match the feature set of Techtool though.
> 
> It seems to focus on recovery more that preventive.
> 
> Does TTP do defrag ?
> 
> I take it Norton isn't good...
> 

You want to stay away from anything that has the name "Symantec" on it or
near it. I've only heard horror stories about Norton, not only on the net,
but from co-workers who had the bad idea to install it...

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Re: Disk maintenence tools

[Larry le Mac]

From: Mikael Byström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

For what it does, yes, it is the best IMHO. It doesn't
exactly match the feature set of Techtool though.
It seems to focus on recovery more that preventive.
Does TTP do defrag ?
I take it Norton isn't good...
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Re: Disk maintenence tools

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invicta said:

>It is acclaimed to be the best for a 
>Mac.

For what it does, yes, it is the best IMHO. It doesn't exactly match the
feature set of Techtool though.


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Re: Disk maintenence tools

[invicta]

On 30 okt 2004, at 14:42, G-Books wrote:
From: "Larry le Mac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Disk maintenance tool ? gb
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:46:31 +0200
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: Laurent Daudelin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I've heard people speaking highly of DiskWarrior,
but never tried it myself...
Does DiskWarrior defragment disks ???
Larry
Read here what DW does and how. It is acclaimed to be the best for a 
Mac.

http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/
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