Re: Explain the 802.11b Card Description

[Bob]

(To reduce the number of posts to the list, I'm going to combine my 
replies to CJ & Clark.)

The National Enquirer reports at 5:12 PM -0500 9/8/04, CJ wrote:

>- Original Message -
>From: "Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > The National Enquirer reports at 6:25 PM -0700 9/7/04, Clark Martin wrote:
> >
> > Clark,
> >   I'm somewhat confused. If I am interpreting what you are saying
> > below correctly, it seems that there is a conflict between you are
> > saying and what CJ said yesterday (quoted after your text for
> > reference). He says that DS is an "ancient" standard, whereas you
> > seem to be indicating that it is a current standard ("used to
> > describe  how most 802.11b stuff works").
> >
> > Am I misinterpreting either, or both, of you?
> >
> > >Distributed Spread Spectrum is a
> > >technical term used to describe  how most 802.11b stuff works.
> > >Frequency hopping was used at one point but is more or less gone now.
> > >So if you also saw 802.11FH it would be a technical distinction
> > >rather than marketing fluff.  Seeing as this RoamAbout Card sounds
> > >kind of old then the DS would be a quite relevant description.
> >
> > At 11:48 AM -0500 9/6/04, CJ wrote:
> > >802.11DS is an ancient standard from before 802.11B that runs slower.  It
>is
> > >not used often.  Check out this link:
> > >http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/802.11.html
> >
> > Bob

>The DS standard is older than 802.11B and slower (about 1mpbs).  It does
>form the underpinning of 802.11B/G, although it is not used separately
>anymore.  Found on CNET: The 802.11B standard, also known as Wi-Fi, has
>become the standard used by corporations. The other standard, called
>802.11DS, is a standard that pre-dates 802.11B and runs slower. Hope I
>clarified it for you.
>CJ

Very clear, thank you. I always appreciate someone who supports their 
viewpoint with documented facts.


At 4:56 PM -0700 9/8/04, Clark Martin wrote:

>That CARD is ancient but the DSS format is current.

I don't know enough about the whole concept to argue one way or the 
other. But this still appears to disagree with the CNET quote above. 
However, it's probably not worth making an issue over. I was just 
trying to understand it better.

Then Ken Vann added a new term: DS High Rate (with WiFi 
certification), which sounds like an updated DS  (11Mbps?). How the 
heck is the average John/Jane Doe supposed to keep up with all of 
this terminology?

I guess to bring it into perspective, and full circle, if a 
list-member goes to buy the 802.11DS RoamAbout card from Wegener, 
what exactly are they getting?

>I don't think that 802.11DS is a standard but instead it's a manufacturers
>designation.  IEEE standards have a pretty fixed  identification
>system and "DS" wouldn't fit.

Both CJ and the CNET quote refer to it as a "standard." I was simply 
quoting them.

Thanks again for your input guys,

Bob


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Re: Explain the 802.11b Card Description

[Clark Martin]

At 12:00 AM -0600 9/8/04, Bob wrote:
The National Enquirer reports at 6:25 PM -0700 9/7/04, Clark Martin wrote:
Clark,
  I'm somewhat confused. If I am interpreting what you are saying
below correctly, it seems that there is a conflict between you are
saying and what CJ said yesterday (quoted after your text for
reference). He says that DS is an "ancient" standard, whereas you
seem to be indicating that it is a current standard ("used to
describe  how most 802.11b stuff works").

That CARD is ancient but the DSS format is current.  I don't think 
that 802.11DS is a standard but instead it's a manufacturers 
designation.  IEEE standards have a pretty fixed  identification 
system and "DS" wouldn't fit.

Am I misinterpreting either, or both, of you?
Distributed Spread Spectrum is a
technical term used to describe  how most 802.11b stuff works.
Frequency hopping was used at one point but is more or less gone now.
So if you also saw 802.11FH it would be a technical distinction
rather than marketing fluff.  Seeing as this RoamAbout Card sounds
kind of old then the DS would be a quite relevant description.
At 11:48 AM -0500 9/6/04, CJ wrote:
802.11DS is an ancient standard from before 802.11B that runs slower.  It is
not used often.  Check out this link:
 >http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/802.11.html

This link lists an 802.11d but not DS as far as I could see.  "d" is 
something different.
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Explain the 802.11b Card Description

[Kenneth Vann]

Hello all. I would like to clarify what I said. When I said Marketing
fluff, I am referring to the fact that the RoamAbout card was still using a
term on the label that they had been using from the beginning of them
selling the card.

It has been many years since I did any serious work in the electronics
field, and things tend to fog up with age. The information that is
available on the web about how each OEM implements the features in a
wireless pc card is not complete.

I do know from Lucent documents that with v6 of the software for Macintosh,
the cards with the correct Firmware are WiFi Certified 802.11b.

The tech document is dated March 2000. So there is good posibility that the
cards offered for sale now, are of the WiFi Certified type.

Quoting from the Lucent Document

"Added WiFi (Wireless Fidelity) functionality. This requires a firmware
level 6.04 in the PC cards. WiFi functionality ensures interoperability
with other 802.11B high rate products."

The key word is interoperability. I take this to mean backwards compatable.
My RoamAbout card has the WiFi certification logo on the front of the card
along with the notation of DS High Rate.

Every card I have except the Dell TrueMobile 1150 and the YDI Wireless has
the WiFi Certification logo. They all work with the Orinoco drivers under
OS 9.x.x. and all connect to the Base Station I have.

I think that if you buy the card from the vendor of you choice and it does
not work as advertised, they have an obligation to make it good.

My RoamAbout works fine at home with my Base Station, but just to make
sure, I will take it to the local restruant that offers free WiFi and see.

Just as a thought, prehaps I will take apart my Base Station and check the
Firmware in the card that is in it. Wonder what I will find??  I have a
Graphite BS and I know it has the Lucent Orinoco Silver card in it. I might
even put in a third party Silver card and see if the Airport software will
upgrad the Firmware or toast the Base Station.

Ken Vann



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Re: Explain the 802.11b Card Description

[COCCORP]

In a message dated 9/8/04 5:13:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>The other standard, called
>802.11DS, is a standard that pre-dates 802.11B and runs slower. Hope I
>clarified it for you.

Yes, it does (although I am not the person who asked the question 
originally)...!

A friend recently said she was sending me her laptop to correct a keyboard 
problem and to check out why are recently purchased wireless card is not working.

Come to find out yesterday, when it arrived, that it is the "Ramabout" 
802.11DS card described in previous posts...

Can this -DS card be used by Airport software, the way my Orinoco 802.11b 
card can?

Craig W.
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Re: Explain the 802.11b Card Description

[CJ]

The DS standard is older than 802.11B and slower (about 1mpbs).  It does
form the underpinning of 802.11B/G, although it is not used separately
anymore.  Found on CNET: The 802.11B standard, also known as Wi-Fi, has
become the standard used by corporations. The other standard, called
802.11DS, is a standard that pre-dates 802.11B and runs slower. Hope I
clarified it for you.
CJ
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From: "Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: Explain the 802.11b Card Description


> The National Enquirer reports at 6:25 PM -0700 9/7/04, Clark Martin wrote:
>
> Clark,
>   I'm somewhat confused. If I am interpreting what you are saying
> below correctly, it seems that there is a conflict between you are
> saying and what CJ said yesterday (quoted after your text for
> reference). He says that DS is an "ancient" standard, whereas you
> seem to be indicating that it is a current standard ("used to
> describe  how most 802.11b stuff works").
>
> Am I misinterpreting either, or both, of you?
>
> >Distributed Spread Spectrum is a
> >technical term used to describe  how most 802.11b stuff works.
> >Frequency hopping was used at one point but is more or less gone now.
> >So if you also saw 802.11FH it would be a technical distinction
> >rather than marketing fluff.  Seeing as this RoamAbout Card sounds
> >kind of old then the DS would be a quite relevant description.
>
> At 11:48 AM -0500 9/6/04, CJ wrote:
> >802.11DS is an ancient standard from before 802.11B that runs slower.  It
is
> >not used often.  Check out this link:
> >http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/802.11.html
>
> Bob
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Re: Explain the 802.11b Card Description

[Bob]

The National Enquirer reports at 6:25 PM -0700 9/7/04, Clark Martin wrote:

Clark,
  I'm somewhat confused. If I am interpreting what you are saying 
below correctly, it seems that there is a conflict between you are 
saying and what CJ said yesterday (quoted after your text for 
reference). He says that DS is an "ancient" standard, whereas you 
seem to be indicating that it is a current standard ("used to 
describe  how most 802.11b stuff works").

Am I misinterpreting either, or both, of you?

>Distributed Spread Spectrum is a
>technical term used to describe  how most 802.11b stuff works.
>Frequency hopping was used at one point but is more or less gone now.
>So if you also saw 802.11FH it would be a technical distinction
>rather than marketing fluff.  Seeing as this RoamAbout Card sounds
>kind of old then the DS would be a quite relevant description.

At 11:48 AM -0500 9/6/04, CJ wrote:
>802.11DS is an ancient standard from before 802.11B that runs slower.  It is
>not used often.  Check out this link:
>http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/802.11.html

Bob


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Re: Explain the 802.11b Card Description

[Clark Martin]

At 6:15 PM -0400 9/7/04, Kenneth Vann wrote:
I think the terms DS and High Rate, are marketing fluff. Maybe back in 1997
it was the older standard, but now its is WiFi Certified as a 802.11b.
Well the DS is more than fluff.  Distributed Spread Spectrum is a 
technical term used to describe  how most 802.11b stuff works. 
Frequency hopping was used at one point but is more or less gone now. 
So if you also saw 802.11FH it would be a technical distinction 
rather than marketing fluff.  Seeing as this RoamAbout Card sounds 
kind of old then the DS would be a quite relevant description.

Check out this specification of the RoamAbout Card
http://www.enterasys.com/support/manuals/hardware/4062_03.pdf
Or the full product catalogue at
http://www.enterasys.com/products/product-catalog.pdf
The sample I have has the following Firmware:
Hardware: v4.0
Primary Firmware: v4.4
Station Firmware: v8.35
Every card I have tested so far had a Primary Firmware and Station Firmware
as listed above. The only one I have not tested is a Proxim Orinoco Clasic
Gold Card. I will borrow one next week and add that to my list. The
Firmware information should end up in my FAQ that I am working on.
Here is a snip from the last Firmware Update listed on the Proxim Wireless
site for the Proxim Orinoco Clasic Gold Card.
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Re: Explain the 802.11b Card Description

[Kenneth Vann]

I think the terms DS and High Rate, are marketing fluff. Maybe back in 1997
it was the older standard, but now its is WiFi Certified as a 802.11b.

Check out this specification of the RoamAbout Card

http://www.enterasys.com/support/manuals/hardware/4062_03.pdf
Or the full product catalogue at
http://www.enterasys.com/products/product-catalog.pdf

The sample I have has the following Firmware:
Hardware: v4.0
Primary Firmware: v4.4
Station Firmware: v8.35

Every card I have tested so far had a Primary Firmware and Station Firmware
as listed above. The only one I have not tested is a Proxim Orinoco Clasic
Gold Card. I will borrow one next week and add that to my list. The
Firmware information should end up in my FAQ that I am working on.

Here is a snip from the last Firmware Update listed on the Proxim Wireless
site for the Proxim Orinoco Clasic Gold Card.

===

Proxim Corp.  November 2002

WaveLAN Station firmware Update utility (WSU)  WSU10872

===



TABLE OF CONTENTS:



1.  Software Description

2.  System Requirements

3.  New In This Release

4.  Technical Support



---



1.  SOFTWARE DESCRIPTION



1.1 About this software

The WaveLAN Station firmware Update utility (WSU) is a tool to

update the firmware on your Agere Systems "Wireless" Card.



The WSU can function on any computer running the MS-Windows 95,

98, 98-ME, 98-SE, NT, 2000 or XP Operating System, that has

been equipped with a "Wireless" Card.



The "Wireless" Card firmware makes the "Wireless" products:

*  Wi-Fi (Wireless Fidelity) certified by the Wireless

   Ethernet Compatiblity Alliance (WECA).

*  Interoperable with any other wireless LAN system

   based on Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum (DSSS) radio

   technology that complies with the IEEE 802.11 and

   IEEE 802.11b Standards on wireless LANs.

*  Backwards compatible with any other previously released

   product of the Agere Systems "Wireless" product family.



1.2 Files

The WSU comprises the following files:



*   WSU10842.EXE  WSU

*   WSU.HLP   WSU Help info

*   WSU.CNT   WSU Help Contents

*   README.TXTthis file



1.2 Versions

WaveLAN Station firmware Update utility Variant 1 Version 4.54

contains:

   Primary Functions firmware   Variant 1 Version 4.00

   Station Functions firmware   Variant 1 Version 8.72



---

As you can see the Primary Frimware is almost the same. The difference
could be explained by the data in the flash rom which identifies the card
as a Enterasys RoamAbout. Or it could be somthing to do with the products
they build that the card goes into.

It should work in a 802.11b environment with out problem. It works for me
in my network.

If you want to read the entire Firmware document go to here:
http://keygen.proxim.com/support/orinoco/sr02-01/readme/firmware.txt

Ken Vann

>
>In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>From: john slavin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Explain the 802.11b Card Description
>Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 12:12:47 -0500
>
>Here is some specs on the RoamAbout card.  I don't know if this is what
>they are selling.  Maybe this will help.
>
>http://www.enterasys.com/products/wireless/CSIxD-AA/
>
>http://www.enterasys.com/support/manuals/hardware/4062_03.pdf
>
>On Sep 6, 2004, at 11:58 AM, Andrew Kershaw wrote:
>
>>> 802.11DS is an ancient standard from before 802.11B that runs slower.
>>>  It is
>>> not used often.  Check out this link:
>>> http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/802.11.html
>> Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum (DSSS) as opposed to Frequency Hopping
>> Spread Spectrum (FHSS)...  802.11 supported data rates around 2Mb/s -
>> 802.11b is 5x faster.
>>
>> Looks like Wegener Media is inconsistent.  Is it 802.11b or 802.11?
>> They claim:
>>> This card offers full 10bT networking capabilities, full
>>> compatability with Airport base stations, and the entire 802.11
>>> network system!
>>>
>>> 11mbs Transfer rate--cruise the web wirelessly as fast as your cable
>>> or phone line can connect!!
>>
>> But they are also careful never to call it an 802.11b card  So
>> which is it?!  Smells fishy.  Anyone got one?
>>
>> Peace,
>> Drew
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>> we

Explain the 802.11b Card Description

[Kenneth Vann]

Hi Bob.
I beleave the DS in the card discription is marketing fluff.

If you look back at the Lucent advertising they were using all sorts of
words like Turbo, High Rate, ect.

The card is a OEM Version of the Lucent WaveLan. It is available with 64WEP
and 128WEP

The one you want will say the following part number on back. CSICD-AA-128.
That has the FCC channels in it with 128 WEP. Others are available for
Europe, Japan, ect.

Here are some links about the card.
--
For the Cabletron/Enterasys RoamAbout 16-Bit PC Card
http://www.enterasys.com/software/RoamAbout/CSIxD/mac/
Supports OS 7.5.2 through 9 on PowerBooks 190, 1400, 2400, 3400, 5300, G3 &
G4 series. Software v4.0 & 4.02
--

For the Cabletron/Enterasys RoamAbout Card
http://www.enterasys.com/support/manuals/hardware/9033599.pdf
http://www.enterasys.com/support/manuals/hardware/4062_03.pdf
Manuals & Specifications
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Be sure to use version 6.00.4  or higher of the Lucent or Orinoco drivers.

Version 6 is the first one WiFi certified.

Hope this helps.

Ken Vann







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>Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 02:10:19 -0600
>From: Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Explain the 802.11b Card Description
>
>While my keyboard is already heated up replying to other messages,
>let me re-ask a question that I asked a week or so ago, but didn't
>receive any replies to.
>
>A couple of people have recently mentioned the Lucent/Orinoco WiFi
>card available from http://www.wagenermedia.com. The card is
>described on their web-site as a 802.11DS RoamAbout card.
>
>What's a 802.11DS card? I know it's a wireless PCMCIA card. But
>what's the "DS" stand for? And I've seen the "RoamAbout" description
>before, but I'm not sure what exactly it refers to.
>
>Thanx,
>
>B0b



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Re: Explain the 802.11b Card Description

[Bob]

I previously wrote:

>A couple of people have recently mentioned the Lucent/Orinoco WiFi 
>card available from http://www.wagenermedia.com. The card is 
>described on their web-site as a 802.11DS RoamAbout card.
>
>What's a 802.11DS card? I know it's a wireless PCMCIA card. But 
>what's the "DS" stand for? And I've seen the "RoamAbout" description 
>before, but I'm not sure what exactly it refers to.

Thanks to CJ, Andrew Kershaw and John Slavin for answering my 
questions about the 802.11DS standard and RoamAbout.

For those who want to understand it a little better, I just ran 
across a .pdf file entitled "wirelessnet.pdf" which discusses 
RoamAbout networks in detail. I haven't had a chance to read it all 
yet, but I perused it sufficiently to learn the basics. You can DL 
the file at: 


Just FWIW, it looks like the DS (Direct Sequencing) is **required** 
to be able to utilize the RoamAbout ability.

I would think that anyone who has purchased one of the Orinoco DS 
cards, or is considering it, might want to take a look at this .pdf 
file to learn more about the concepts.


At 10:58 AM -0600 9/6/04, Andrew Kershaw wrote:
>Looks like Wegener Media is inconsistent.  Is it 802.11b or 802.11?
>They claim:
> >This card offers full 10bT networking capabilities, full
> >compatability with Airport base stations, and the entire 802.11
> >network system!
> >
> >11mbs Transfer rate--cruise the web wirelessly as fast as your cable
> >or phone line can connect!!
>
>But they are also careful never to call it an 802.11b card  So
>which is it?!  Smells fishy.  Anyone got one?

In case you missed it, Drew, Clyde Kahrl said he bought a couple of 
the Wegener cards recently.

I don't know if this answers your transfer-rate question or not, but 
the above mentioned file states (the ** emphasis is mine):

"From the module-specific menu, choose Set Wireless Configuration, 
then choose Set Transmit Rate. The Auto Rate Select option **allows 
the Access Point to transmit at its highest supported transmit rate** 
and to
switch to the next lower supported rate when data transmissions fail 
more than once."

Perhaps if you're just using one WAP, you can use 11Mbit, but are 
choked back down if you want to move from WAP to WAP (i.e. 
RoamAbout). I dunno.

Anyway, thanks again guys,

Bob


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Explain the 802.11b Card Description

[Clyde Kahrl]

	I have a couple of Roamabouts I got at Wegener last fall. 
They look like the ones in the picture out there now.   They are 
cheap because they are several years old.  Mine are orinoco because 
my system says they are.
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Re: Explain the 802.11b Card Description

[john slavin]

Here is some specs on the RoamAbout card.  I don't know if this is what 
they are selling.  Maybe this will help.

http://www.enterasys.com/products/wireless/CSIxD-AA/

On Sep 6, 2004, at 11:58 AM, Andrew Kershaw wrote:
802.11DS is an ancient standard from before 802.11B that runs slower. 
 It is
not used often.  Check out this link:
http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/802.11.html
Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum (DSSS) as opposed to Frequency Hopping 
Spread Spectrum (FHSS)...  802.11 supported data rates around 2Mb/s - 
802.11b is 5x faster.

Looks like Wegener Media is inconsistent.  Is it 802.11b or 802.11? 
They claim:
This card offers full 10bT networking capabilities, full 
compatability with Airport base stations, and the entire 802.11 
network system!

11mbs Transfer rate--cruise the web wirelessly as fast as your cable 
or phone line can connect!!
But they are also careful never to call it an 802.11b card  So 
which is it?!  Smells fishy.  Anyone got one?

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Re: Explain the 802.11b Card Description

[Andrew Kershaw]

802.11DS is an ancient standard from before 802.11B that runs slower.  It is
not used often.  Check out this link:
http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/802.11.html
Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum (DSSS) as opposed to Frequency 
Hopping Spread Spectrum (FHSS)...  802.11 supported data rates around 
2Mb/s - 802.11b is 5x faster.

Looks like Wegener Media is inconsistent.  Is it 802.11b or 802.11? 
They claim:
This card offers full 10bT networking capabilities, full 
compatability with Airport base stations, and the entire 802.11 
network system!

11mbs Transfer rate--cruise the web wirelessly as fast as your cable 
or phone line can connect!!
But they are also careful never to call it an 802.11b card  So 
which is it?!  Smells fishy.  Anyone got one?

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Re: Explain the 802.11b Card Description

[CJ]

802.11DS is an ancient standard from before 802.11B that runs slower.  It is
not used often.  Check out this link:
http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/802.11.html

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: Explain the 802.11b Card Description


> on 06/09/04 04:10, Bob at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > While my keyboard is already heated up replying to other messages,
> > let me re-ask a question that I asked a week or so ago, but didn't
> > receive any replies to.
> >
> > A couple of people have recently mentioned the Lucent/Orinoco WiFi
> > card available from http://www.wagenermedia.com. The card is
> > described on their web-site as a 802.11DS RoamAbout card.
> >
> > What's a 802.11DS card? I know it's a wireless PCMCIA card. But
> > what's the "DS" stand for? And I've seen the "RoamAbout" description
> > before, but I'm not sure what exactly it refers to.
>
> I have no idea what "802.11DS" is. Have you searched on Google for this?
If
> it's some kind of standard, there should be some documentation available
> online.
>
> -Laurent.
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Re: Explain the 802.11b Card Description

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 06/09/04 04:10, Bob at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> While my keyboard is already heated up replying to other messages,
> let me re-ask a question that I asked a week or so ago, but didn't
> receive any replies to.
> 
> A couple of people have recently mentioned the Lucent/Orinoco WiFi
> card available from http://www.wagenermedia.com. The card is
> described on their web-site as a 802.11DS RoamAbout card.
> 
> What's a 802.11DS card? I know it's a wireless PCMCIA card. But
> what's the "DS" stand for? And I've seen the "RoamAbout" description
> before, but I'm not sure what exactly it refers to.

I have no idea what "802.11DS" is. Have you searched on Google for this? If
it's some kind of standard, there should be some documentation available
online.

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Explain the 802.11b Card Description

[Bob]

While my keyboard is already heated up replying to other messages, 
let me re-ask a question that I asked a week or so ago, but didn't 
receive any replies to.

A couple of people have recently mentioned the Lucent/Orinoco WiFi 
card available from http://www.wagenermedia.com. The card is 
described on their web-site as a 802.11DS RoamAbout card.

What's a 802.11DS card? I know it's a wireless PCMCIA card. But 
what's the "DS" stand for? And I've seen the "RoamAbout" description 
before, but I'm not sure what exactly it refers to.

Thanx,

B0b

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