Re: Heat issue/Apple

2005-06-08 Thread Andre Balogh


On 08 Jun 2005, at 17:44, G-Books wrote:



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I'm a bit ignorant here; what exactly does the iTunes too do?
Brian
On Jun 7, 2005, at 5:37 AM, Andre Balogh wrote:


iTunes Tools brings the basic iTunes controls to the desktop, thus  
faster access when you work at something else.


Andre.



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Re: Heat issue/Apple

2005-06-07 Thread Andre Balogh


On 07 Jun 2005, at 05:28, G-Books wrote:



Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:44:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Heat issue/Apple
From: Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 06/06/05 16:37, Andre Balogh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



On 06 Jun 2005, at 21:47, G-Books wrote:



Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:41:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Heat issue/Apple
From: Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Hello All,

My 17 ALPB also has an heat issue since it is running 10.4.1. I  
have

traced the source with activity monitor. It is iTunes Tools which
won't play nicely in this new environment. Have not yet found a
solution. Anybody ?




Running 10.4.1 on my 17. I also have Activity Monitor running all
the time
and iTunes most of the time. I haven't noticed any heat issue so  
far.


What do you qualify as a heat issue?

-Laurent.



When the fan is running constantly and the PB feels very hot at the
bottom along the hinge. Never did this before 10.4.
By the way it is not iTunes but iTunes Tool which sits on the desktop
making the basic controls of iTunes accessible. When I trash iTunes
Tool the issue disappears. I'm however very used to iTunes Tool and
would like to keep it but then without this heat problem.



Oh, I see what you mean. I missed that iTunes Tool part. Did you  
check in
Activity Monitor to see which process is running up the processor?  
If your

PowerBook is running hot, then there must be a process bugging the
processor. When I find such process, I just get rid of it. I used  
to use
iCan but realized that when the Finder was the foreground  
application, iCan

would increase its activity too much to my taste, basically for just
watching if something is thrown in the trash can. So, I got rid of it.

FYI, I have been using Synergy to control iTunes and I like it a  
lot. And it

doesn't monopolize the processor when iTunes is running...

-Laurent.


Yes I found the misbehaving utility iTunes Tool by applying Activity  
Monitor. Mentioned this in my earlier post.


If thrashing iTunes Tool is your recommendation I will have to try  
Synergy.


Thank you for the tip, greetings, Andre


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Re: Heat issue/Apple

2005-06-07 Thread Andre Balogh


On 07 Jun 2005, at 05:28, G-Books wrote:



Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:44:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Heat issue/Apple
From: Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 06/06/05 16:37, Andre Balogh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



On 06 Jun 2005, at 21:47, G-Books wrote:



Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:41:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Heat issue/Apple
From: Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Hello All,

My 17 ALPB also has an heat issue since it is running 10.4.1. I  
have

traced the source with activity monitor. It is iTunes Tools which
won't play nicely in this new environment. Have not yet found a
solution. Anybody ?




Running 10.4.1 on my 17. I also have Activity Monitor running all
the time
and iTunes most of the time. I haven't noticed any heat issue so  
far.


What do you qualify as a heat issue?

-Laurent.



When the fan is running constantly and the PB feels very hot at the
bottom along the hinge. Never did this before 10.4.
By the way it is not iTunes but iTunes Tool which sits on the desktop
making the basic controls of iTunes accessible. When I trash iTunes
Tool the issue disappears. I'm however very used to iTunes Tool and
would like to keep it but then without this heat problem.



Oh, I see what you mean. I missed that iTunes Tool part. Did you  
check in
Activity Monitor to see which process is running up the processor?  
If your

PowerBook is running hot, then there must be a process bugging the
processor. When I find such process, I just get rid of it. I used  
to use
iCan but realized that when the Finder was the foreground  
application, iCan

would increase its activity too much to my taste, basically for just
watching if something is thrown in the trash can. So, I got rid of it.

FYI, I have been using Synergy to control iTunes and I like it a  
lot. And it

doesn't monopolize the processor when iTunes is running...

-Laurent.


Laurent, I thrashed iTunes Tool and I'm using now Synergy. A slick  
utility, no activity on the Monitor and the heat issue is licked  
thanks to you !


Greetings, Andre.


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Re: Heat issue/Apple

2005-06-07 Thread Andre Balogh


On 07 Jun 2005, at 21:30, G-Books wrote:



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Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:57:54 -0700


Andre,

Ah, there's the key, it sits on your desktop. The icon for iTunes Tool
which sits on the desktop is probably corrupt. That causes the CPU to
run at 100% for some reason. Put the actual application in your
Application folder and put an alias to it on the desktop. If it is
already an alias, then trash it and create a new one. Hope that helps.

Scott


Thank you Scott but as you probably have read further on, I have  
evaded the problem by changing the utility and I'm happy.


Thanks for your support, Andre


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Re: Heat issue/Apple

2005-06-07 Thread Brian

I'm a bit ignorant here; what exactly does the iTunes too do?
Brian
On Jun 7, 2005, at 5:37 AM, Andre Balogh wrote:



On 07 Jun 2005, at 05:28, G-Books wrote:




Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:44:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Heat issue/Apple
From: Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 06/06/05 16:37, Andre Balogh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




On 06 Jun 2005, at 21:47, G-Books wrote:




Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:41:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Heat issue/Apple
From: Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Hello All,

My 17 ALPB also has an heat issue since it is running 10.4.1.  
I have

traced the source with activity monitor. It is iTunes Tools which
won't play nicely in this new environment. Have not yet found a
solution. Anybody ?





Running 10.4.1 on my 17. I also have Activity Monitor running all
the time
and iTunes most of the time. I haven't noticed any heat issue so  
far.


What do you qualify as a heat issue?

-Laurent.




When the fan is running constantly and the PB feels very hot at the
bottom along the hinge. Never did this before 10.4.
By the way it is not iTunes but iTunes Tool which sits on the  
desktop

making the basic controls of iTunes accessible. When I trash iTunes
Tool the issue disappears. I'm however very used to iTunes Tool and
would like to keep it but then without this heat problem.




Oh, I see what you mean. I missed that iTunes Tool part. Did you  
check in
Activity Monitor to see which process is running up the processor?  
If your

PowerBook is running hot, then there must be a process bugging the
processor. When I find such process, I just get rid of it. I used  
to use
iCan but realized that when the Finder was the foreground  
application, iCan

would increase its activity too much to my taste, basically for just
watching if something is thrown in the trash can. So, I got rid of  
it.


FYI, I have been using Synergy to control iTunes and I like it a  
lot. And it

doesn't monopolize the processor when iTunes is running...

-Laurent.



Laurent, I thrashed iTunes Tool and I'm using now Synergy. A slick  
utility, no activity on the Monitor and the heat issue is licked  
thanks to you !


Greetings, Andre.



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Re: Heat issue/Apple

2005-06-06 Thread Amber


On 5-Jun-05, at 8:20 PM, Tim Collier wrote:

My wife and I each have an iBook, both purchased last November and  
now both running 10.4.1.  We have no issues with heat.  Do you hold  
the computer on your lap or on an unventilated surface?


Tim,

No, I only use it on table top surfaces and it just gets too hot  
after awhile to use.  It has already been evaluated once by Apple and  
they sent me a new battery (even though the old one was not on the  
recall list).   That seemed to make a significant difference but then  
when I installed Tiger just after it was released,  the heat issues  
returned.


Apple flatly denies that it could have anything to do with Tiger and  
stated it was simply coincidental but at the same time, they have not  
been able to come up with any other reason.   I am not sure what the  
problem is.  Right now, it feel quite cool and I've been on it for 10  
minutes but within another 20-30 minutes I will not be able to use it.


Amber


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Re: Heat issue/Apple

2005-06-06 Thread Brian

I think I found it, see below.

On Jun 4, 2005, at 1:43 PM, Michael Levin wrote:


If you find out, please let me know. My G4 gets awfully hot on the  
bottom, which distorts the image on the laptop. Oddly enough, if I  
have an external monitor, the distortion on the screen does not  
extend to the external monitor. Rather, it appears only on the  
laptop's screen.


On Jun 4, 2005, at 12:45 PM, Brian wrote:


A while back I read of a means to reset the vid ram, or something  
similar that seemed to help this problem a while back.  Does  
anyone know what I'm talking about and know what the procedure is  
to do this?










Tim,

No, I only use it on table top surfaces and it just gets too hot  
after awhile to use.  It has already been evaluated once by Apple  
and they sent me a new battery (even though the old one was not on  
the recall list).   That seemed to make a significant difference  
but then when I installed Tiger just after it was released,  the  
heat issues returned.


Apple flatly denies that it could have anything to do with Tiger  
and stated it was simply coincidental but at the same time, they  
have not been able to come up with any other reason.   I am not  
sure what the problem is.  Right now, it feel quite cool and I've  
been on it for 10 minutes but within another 20-30 minutes I will  
not be able to use it.


Amber



Check out this article, I think this is what worked for me before.   
If it doesn't work or has no bearing, no harm no foul:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=2238

Brian



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Re: Heat issue/Apple

2005-06-06 Thread Laurent Daudelin
On 06/06/05 15:36, Andre Balogh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 06 Jun 2005, at 16:57, G-Books wrote:
 
 
 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 19:25:31 -0700
 From: Amber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Heat issue/Apple
 In-reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 On 4-Jun-05, at 10:45 AM, Brian wrote:
 
 
 I'm having a heat issue with my iBook G4.  I'm aware of the
 official list from apple on what to do when running 10.4.1,
 however, much of this does not apply to me, and what does apply
 does not help.
 
 
 I was not aware of this official list from Apple (regarding what to
 do when running 10.4.1) - can anybody tell me where it is as I am
 having some serious overheating issues since installing Tiger.
 
 I have called Applecare about this but they did not seem aware of any
 overheating problem at the time.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Amber
 
 Hello All,
 
 My 17 ALPB also has an heat issue since it is running 10.4.1. I have
 traced the source with activity monitor. It is iTunes Tools which
 won't play nicely in this new environment. Have not yet found a
 solution. Anybody ?

Running 10.4.1 on my 17. I also have Activity Monitor running all the time
and iTunes most of the time. I haven't noticed any heat issue so far.

What do you qualify as a heat issue?

-Laurent.
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Re: Heat issue/Apple

2005-06-06 Thread Amber


On 6-Jun-05, at 12:41 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:



What do you qualify as a heat issue?

-Laurent.



Hello Laurent,

I consider it a heat issue when my PB is so hot that I am literally  
unable to type on it without pain or considerable discomfort and/or  
it causes physical damage to the surface it is sitting on  I can  
still see the small scorch marks that it left on my dining room table.


That issue seemed to be resolved when they replaced the battery but  
returned almost immediately after I installed Tiger.  While Apple  
flatly refuses to accept that Tiger is causing the problem,  they are  
unable to provide any other reason for it thus far.


Amber


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Re: Heat issue/Apple

2005-06-06 Thread Laurent Daudelin
On 06/06/05 15:57, Amber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 6-Jun-05, at 12:41 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
 
 
 What do you qualify as a heat issue?
 
 -Laurent.
 
 
 Hello Laurent,
 
 I consider it a heat issue when my PB is so hot that I am literally
 unable to type on it without pain or considerable discomfort and/or
 it causes physical damage to the surface it is sitting on  I can
 still see the small scorch marks that it left on my dining room table.
 
 That issue seemed to be resolved when they replaced the battery but
 returned almost immediately after I installed Tiger.  While Apple
 flatly refuses to accept that Tiger is causing the problem,  they are
 unable to provide any other reason for it thus far.

I have the 1.5GHz PowerBook 17 and definitely don't experience any heat
issue...

-Laurent.
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Re: Heat issue/Apple

2005-06-06 Thread Tim Hodgson
On Mon, Jun 6, 2005 at 9:02 pm -0400, Laurent Daudelin wrote:

 I consider it a heat issue when my PB is so hot that I am literally
 unable to type on it without pain or considerable discomfort and/or
 it causes physical damage to the surface it is sitting on  I can
 still see the small scorch marks that it left on my dining room table.

I have the 1.5GHz PowerBook 17 and definitely don't experience any heat
issue...

Ah. You probably have one of the new Pentiums :)

TimH


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Re: Heat issue/Apple

2005-06-06 Thread Andre Balogh


On 06 Jun 2005, at 21:47, G-Books wrote:


Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:41:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Heat issue/Apple
From: Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hello All,

My 17 ALPB also has an heat issue since it is running 10.4.1. I have
traced the source with activity monitor. It is iTunes Tools which
won't play nicely in this new environment. Have not yet found a
solution. Anybody ?



Running 10.4.1 on my 17. I also have Activity Monitor running all  
the time

and iTunes most of the time. I haven't noticed any heat issue so far.

What do you qualify as a heat issue?

-Laurent.


When the fan is running constantly and the PB feels very hot at the  
bottom along the hinge. Never did this before 10.4.
By the way it is not iTunes but iTunes Tool which sits on the desktop  
making the basic controls of iTunes accessible. When I trash iTunes  
Tool the issue disappears. I'm however very used to iTunes Tool and  
would like to keep it but then without this heat problem.


Andre.




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Re: Heat issue/Apple

2005-06-06 Thread Laurent Daudelin
On 06/06/05 16:37, Andre Balogh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 06 Jun 2005, at 21:47, G-Books wrote:
 
 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:41:09 -0400
 Subject: Re: Heat issue/Apple
 From: Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Hello All,
 
 My 17 ALPB also has an heat issue since it is running 10.4.1. I have
 traced the source with activity monitor. It is iTunes Tools which
 won't play nicely in this new environment. Have not yet found a
 solution. Anybody ?
 
 
 Running 10.4.1 on my 17. I also have Activity Monitor running all
 the time
 and iTunes most of the time. I haven't noticed any heat issue so far.
 
 What do you qualify as a heat issue?
 
 -Laurent.
 
 When the fan is running constantly and the PB feels very hot at the
 bottom along the hinge. Never did this before 10.4.
 By the way it is not iTunes but iTunes Tool which sits on the desktop
 making the basic controls of iTunes accessible. When I trash iTunes
 Tool the issue disappears. I'm however very used to iTunes Tool and
 would like to keep it but then without this heat problem.

Oh, I see what you mean. I missed that iTunes Tool part. Did you check in
Activity Monitor to see which process is running up the processor? If your
PowerBook is running hot, then there must be a process bugging the
processor. When I find such process, I just get rid of it. I used to use
iCan but realized that when the Finder was the foreground application, iCan
would increase its activity too much to my taste, basically for just
watching if something is thrown in the trash can. So, I got rid of it.

FYI, I have been using Synergy to control iTunes and I like it a lot. And it
doesn't monopolize the processor when iTunes is running...

-Laurent.
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Re: Heat issue/Apple

2005-06-06 Thread sacear3


Andre,

Ah, there's the key, it sits on your desktop. The icon for iTunes Tool 
which sits on the desktop is probably corrupt. That causes the CPU to 
run at 100% for some reason. Put the actual application in your 
Application folder and put an alias to it on the desktop. If it is 
already an alias, then trash it and create a new one. Hope that helps.


Scott


When the fan is running constantly and the PB feels very hot at the
bottom along the hinge. Never did this before 10.4.
By the way it is not iTunes but iTunes Tool which sits on the desktop
making the basic controls of iTunes accessible. When I trash iTunes
Tool the issue disappears. I'm however very used to iTunes Tool and
would like to keep it but then without this heat problem.

Andre.



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Re: Heat issue/Apple

2005-06-05 Thread Amber


On 4-Jun-05, at 10:45 AM, Brian wrote:

I'm having a heat issue with my iBook G4.  I'm aware of the  
official list from apple on what to do when running 10.4.1,  
however, much of this does not apply to me, and what does apply  
does not help.


I was not aware of this official list from Apple (regarding what to  
do when running 10.4.1) - can anybody tell me where it is as I am  
having some serious overheating issues since installing Tiger.


I have called Applecare about this but they did not seem aware of any  
overheating problem at the time.


Thanks,

Amber

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Re: Heat issue/Apple

2005-06-05 Thread Tim Collier
My wife and I each have an iBook, both purchased last November and  
now both running 10.4.1.  We have no issues with heat.  Do you hold  
the computer on your lap or on an unventilated surface?
In the past, when I first got this iBook, I used to hold it on a  
pillow on my lap and yes, it got HOT.  I looked into this and saw an  
article about how most laptop computers need to be on a firm (so air  
can circulate around it) surface.  I bought a little tray at  
CompUSA.  Now, I use it on the pillow on my lap and the iBook stays  
cool.
My wife has no issues with heat either, of course she leaves hers  
sitting on a table and hunches over it (how she does it is beyond me  
(looks really uncomfortable--but that's what she's always done)).


Tim
On Jun 5, 2005, at 10:25 PM, Amber wrote:



On 4-Jun-05, at 10:45 AM, Brian wrote:


I'm having a heat issue with my iBook G4.  I'm aware of the  
official list from apple on what to do when running 10.4.1,  
however, much of this does not apply to me, and what does apply  
does not help.




I was not aware of this official list from Apple (regarding what to  
do when running 10.4.1) - can anybody tell me where it is as I am  
having some serious overheating issues since installing Tiger.


I have called Applecare about this but they did not seem aware of  
any overheating problem at the time.


Thanks,

Amber

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